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Speaker 1: On the beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies

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Speaker 1: invest start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hi, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus. My

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Speaker 1: name is Caitlin Toronte, and this, as always is our

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Speaker 1: podcast about the portrayal of women in movies usually not

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Speaker 1: that good, not that good good. How many episodes have

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Speaker 1: we done to this five thousand? Um, and women have

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Speaker 1: been portrayed well in four of them. I think conservatively

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Speaker 1: did like it was pretty good, and then some people

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Speaker 1: that it's like, you know, somewhere over fifty percent good.

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Speaker 1: But then you're like, but still a failing score. Anyways, Um,

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Speaker 1: we use the Bechtel test or Okay, here's what I

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Speaker 1: want to try to do because of today's movie, Um,

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Speaker 1: Bechtel basketball. Can we combine the two of best basketball

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Speaker 1: or Bechtel ball test? I mean we could thoughts? No, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I like love and basketball. Yeah that's so that's this movie.

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Speaker 1: We use the Bechtel test, though, to initiate a larger

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Speaker 1: conversation about the representation of women in film and The

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Speaker 1: Bechtel Test, of course, is a media metric created by

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Speaker 1: cartoonist Holes and becktel Uh, sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace test,

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Speaker 1: and it requires that two female identifying characters who have

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Speaker 1: names must speak to each other about something other than

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Speaker 1: a man for at least two lines of dialogue. That's

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Speaker 1: our metric. Theoretically, they could talk about love or basketball

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Speaker 1: and it could pass the Bechtel tests. That's true, but

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Speaker 1: it depends the the Bechtel ball tests. Fine, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to figure this out by the end of the episode. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I trust you, Thank you so much. So we are

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Speaker 1: talking about love and basketball. We have a guest, of course,

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Speaker 1: she is a hilarious comedian and we love her dearly.

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Speaker 1: It's zab Johnson. Hello here, So what's your your history,

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Speaker 1: your relationship with Loving Basketball. I love the movie Loving Basketball?

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Speaker 1: Do Basketball? The movie Basketball? The movie Love Basketball. But

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Speaker 1: I used to play basketball. I used to play basketball

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Speaker 1: was in high school. Maybe the w NBA had just

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Speaker 1: Love and Basketball came out. Maybe the first year the

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Speaker 1: w NBA prepared not long after. Yeah, very close, right.

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Speaker 1: Love the Basketball came out two thousand. The w n

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Speaker 1: B a I think, was established in nineties, but I

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Speaker 1: guess that I was just like reading in the background.

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Speaker 1: I guess the first draft of the movie was written

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Speaker 1: it felt like a movie at the time. When I

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Speaker 1: made for me. I've seen a lot of movies, like

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Speaker 1: me and I and that's why I liked it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I felt that way about like Benditt, like Beckham, because

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Speaker 1: I was a soccer player, okay, and I well, I

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Speaker 1: I feel that way about Black Swan. Yeah, yeah, what's

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Speaker 1: your history with this? I had honestly never seen it

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry everybody, but I have seen it three times

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Speaker 1: this episode, and I'd rather enjoy it. Yeah, it is

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Speaker 1: one of the best movie soundtracks ever in life, and

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Speaker 1: It's not on the soundtrack, and I hate when they

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Speaker 1: She's like, I'll pelay you for your heart, which come on,

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Speaker 1: come on. It's like we watched it together yesterday. I

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Speaker 1: This is a big sleepover movie for me. I feel

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Speaker 1: like I'll I'll play you for your heart, like that's

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Speaker 1: I love it. So much. It like, yeah, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: when I first saw it, the Proud Family must have

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Speaker 1: you should definitely teach an actor how to play. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: had to teach you two things? Yeah, why not you

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Speaker 1: like in a track. You know, he doesn't see you

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Speaker 1: get like a supermodel as much as she was only

424
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 1: playing like a flight attendant or something. But it's like like,

425
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 1: he ain't got ship going, he ain't got no college degree.

426
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 1: And then there's like that scene where like Alfrey Woodard

427
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 1: is like, you know, he can do better. I'm like

428
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: better the entire banks What are you talking about? I mean,

429
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: I know I love talking about Monica. Yeah, like the

430
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: first time she says something nice to her daughter, Oh,

431
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 1: that relationship is so I mean, I can't wait to

432
00:23:54,160 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 1: talk about it. Yeah. Sorry, So you know, Monica is like,

433
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: oh no, he's engaged. And then she decides that basketball

434
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: isn't really fun for her anymore. She decides to kind

435
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: of give it up. She's like something's missing from it.

436
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: I think she ends up getting a job working at

437
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: her dad's bank, and then Quincy's like, I don't get it.

438
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: You love basketball. And then one night, she wakes him

439
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: up because they're both staying at their parents houses, which

440
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: are again next door to each other, and she's like,

441
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: what's missing from basketball? Is you? Quincy? I love you?

442
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: I love you. Since I was eleven, I was like,

443
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: I'm getting married to Tyra Banks. I love Tyra Banks.

444
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: But then she wants to play him for his heart. Yeah.

445
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: She thinks that if he lets her win, that will

446
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 1: be like the signal that he wants to be with her.

447
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 1: But he doesn't let her win. He wins, and she's

448
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: like no, she's walking away and he's like, wait a minute,

449
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: that part a little bit different. Okay. I didn't see

450
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: it as mom of thought that he would let her win.

451
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: I thought that she truly thought that she had a

452
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: chance at beating Yeah. I think it's a little bit

453
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: more empowering. That's why when she misses or whatever, it's

454
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 1: like a final shot where she misses or he makes it,

455
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: and it's like devastating for her, but it's not devastated

456
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: like want want, like how dare you make that? It's

457
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 1: like how did I let that? She beats herself up

458
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: as if it's the championship game in high school. So

459
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: I don't think she was like, he'll let me win

460
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 1: in that proves he loves me. I think that it

461
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: was a surprise after she loses and he's like, god it,

462
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: I totally see that. I was thinking, like, because there's

463
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: that scene earlier when they're in college and like they're

464
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: playing like strip basketball and she said something like or

465
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, I let you win or something because

466
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: like so they could like strip and see each other naked.

467
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: So I thought that was like a kind of a

468
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 1: continuation of that, but also like, I think what you're

469
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 1: saying makes more sense, and it's probably the case. See,

470
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: like I think it was. I think it was like, yeah,

471
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: this is what we used to do. But I think

472
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: she truly thought, like if somebody says you're the only

473
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: thing missing from like what's missing from basketball is you?

474
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: I think she really that was her last That was

475
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: her last line, and to fit it's like I'm gonna

476
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and beat you and you'll have to

477
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: be with me. And I think she really believed. I mean,

478
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: he had a freaking knee brace someone. Right. If I

479
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: can't beat you any other time, isn't it beat you

480
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 1: after you just toy your a c M. Yeah, yeah,

481
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: I mean either way, like it's you get that amazing

482
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: moment of like him having to like he wins, he

483
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: has all of a sudden the power in this situation.

484
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: And then it almost like she inadvertently or depending on

485
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: how you look at it, maybe on purpose, he has

486
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 1: to like call his own bluff and be like I

487
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: wont but like and then kiss, and then we're like,

488
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: poor Tyra Banks, I don't give a shit about I

489
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: was so invested in Monica and Quincy it was tortured

490
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 1: to even say, I'm like, get when are we gonna

491
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: get back on track? Oh, it's and it is, like

492
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: it is so satisfying when they Yeah, I get very

493
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: emotional about it. And then at the end, Yeah, So

494
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: we cut to what I think should have been called

495
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: overtime because we've got the first four quarters and then

496
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: we've got another flash forwards and I know, right, but

497
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: we see Monica and Quincy. They are married, they have

498
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: a baby. He's sitting on the sidelines with the baby

499
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: and she's playing in the w n B A. Yeah,

500
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: a love story, right, I'm like this, um man. I

501
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 1: guess Monica moves for a while, but for the most part.

502
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, Quincy never had to move his entire life.

503
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: That's that's good for him. Um. So yeah, that's the story.

504
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and then we'll come right

505
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: back to discuss. And we're back. Where should we start?

506
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: Where to get There's a lot to cover. Yeah, there's love,

507
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: there's basketball, and then that's just the beginning. I guess

508
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,479
Speaker 1: there's two topics to this. Well, I mean, DAP, as

509
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: you already mentioned, like this is almost an entirely black cast.

510
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: This is every major role being played by a black actor.

511
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: I think the only exception is Monica has a white

512
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: coach in college, but she's kind of like she's in

513
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: like three and there's that one on one where it's whatever,

514
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: that like coach thing where they're like I'm hard on

515
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: you because I care, like alright whatever by and like yeah,

516
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: but yeah, I almost I forgot about her, right, But yeah,

517
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it's representation that we don't see very much

518
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: in mainstream movies especially, and the fact that it's I mean,

519
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: and we've already sort of started to touch on this,

520
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: but like women being athletes, Black women being athletes, and

521
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: like having it treated with the you know, like importance

522
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: that it deserves to be treated is so cool. We

523
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: have uh black female director who wrote and directed this movie.

524
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: This is I think this was her first movie ever

525
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: that she made, and so yeah, you have like a

526
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: lot of this movie has right right from I was

527
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: gonna say, right from the jump corny okay, right from

528
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: the beginning up shot, so much going for it that most,

529
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean most movies period, much less an athletic movie

530
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: would have UM and I hope I'm saying her name.

531
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: Gina Prince bythewood. Um was also like at least a

532
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: high school basketball player. And I was doing some research

533
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: on the production of this movie, and I guess she

534
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: one of her frustrations was that she had seen women

535
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: playing basketball and movies before, but she thought it was

536
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: never filmed well and so that female basketball players, and

537
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: especially black female basketball players, had been done in disservice

538
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: where there been a movie that was about it. And

539
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: even when there was seen, like she was like, they

540
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: were clearly not playing real basketball. They didn't look like

541
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: they had the athletic power that female basketball players have

542
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: to have, and so she was kind of leading with

543
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: like that being the goal and then built this story

544
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: kind of around it. Interesting. Yeah, I will say that.

545
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: You know who looked like they couldn't play a look

546
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: of basketball? Quincy? He looks like I was like, okay,

547
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: we gotta start with him playing basketball. Any scenes where

548
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: he has to look like he's playing basketball, because it's

549
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: pretty terrible. Yeah. Also, okay, not to body shame Omar Epps,

550
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: but he somehow makes it to the NBA. He's like

551
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: five ten or so, Like he seems so short, and

552
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: again it shout out to all our short kings out

553
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,479
Speaker 1: there that is even that short, but like, um short king,

554
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, how did you make it to pay basketball

555
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: when you're pretty average? The same way Tom Cruise climbs

556
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: a freaking building and jumps out of a plane. It

557
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: saves everybody, and he's four to I think we thought

558
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: that Quincy was I think I assumed that Quincy was

559
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: taller than Omar Epps is in real life. I have

560
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: no idea what his height was, but I mean that

561
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: was yeah. I mean it's it doesn't help that like

562
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: his father is really like taller, ye much taller than him. Yeah,

563
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean also, I feel like you

564
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: can kind of easily justify the height discrepancy by being like, well,

565
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: he's also got like some pretty strong nepotism going for

566
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: him to also he played the correct position for his height. Like,

567
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: what we have to remember is some of our best

568
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: basketball players, some of our favorite basketball players around that time,

569
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: especially one of the biggest basketball players when we loving

570
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: basketball came out with Alan Iverson, who was a point

571
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: guard and he was a very small So point guards

572
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: are normally shorter or that they don't have to be Like, no,

573
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: they don't have to be seven football. I mean it's

574
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: great when they are great when if you're doing anything,

575
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: if you're taller, that's going to give you more wing

576
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,719
Speaker 1: span more. But a lot out of them and some

577
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: of the really good ones have been smaller. Okay, that

578
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: makes sense. I don't know enough about an athlete not

579
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: smaller for a regular brand. I think what we have

580
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: to also remember at that time is Omar EPs was

581
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: like wanted to black guys. You know, he had done

582
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: so many movies that were like sort of coming of

583
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: age black movies, and so it just just forget like

584
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: what's true to a story. What also happens in Hollywood

585
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: is like who will people pay to see? Right? Oh, Like,

586
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: let's get I think Tubac was dead already. Okay, I'm going,

587
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: I'm going. I'm just saying, there's still that same thing

588
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: where you wonder, like why did they get this person

589
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: to play this role? Oh, they were hot at they

590
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: were that hot at the time, And like Omar Epps

591
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: had already played an athlete and like two other movies.

592
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: So it's like he was just and and it seems

593
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: like um for the director as well, he was. It's

594
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: so weird how like the characters, the way the characters

595
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: are treated by the story also kind of mirrors how

596
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: the director's relations to with them, because like Omar Epps

597
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: was her first choice, there was never a question. He

598
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: kind of sailed through it and then in the in

599
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: the meantime, so I had an incredibly difficult time throughout

600
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: the entire thing, and just there were more just kind

601
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: of just like Monica by mistake, and yeah, I didn't

602
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: realize or maybe I'd forgotten that she and Omar Epps

603
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: were dating for the whole time of this movie. That

604
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: I just love when people, um have love and basketball. Yes,

605
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: I guess that's what I'm saying. Um. Just to continue

606
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: the conversation about women in sports and the movies about them.

607
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: Most sports movies are not about women, believe it or not.

608
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: Um imagine that there are some though, and we've covered

609
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: a fair amount of them on the podcast already. Between

610
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: a League of their Own, Bend It like Beckham, bring

611
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: It on Center Stage is either a recent episode or

612
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: upcoming episode depending on when this episode comes out, and

613
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,479
Speaker 1: then also black Swan is an upcoming episode, and then

614
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: we also covered a Tania on the Matreon. But um,

615
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: it's just worth noting that so few sports movies are

616
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: focused on women. But it's also comes at no surprise

617
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: to us because women's sports are not valued by the

618
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: general public. But it's always like when especially when movies

619
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: about female athletes do well, it always like raises the

620
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: tide for like your saying thing I have, like seeing

621
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: yourself on screen and like the impact of maybe like

622
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: a young girl who wanted to play basketball but didn't,

623
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: like you know, sometimes you're just like, is that what

624
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: I should be doing? Is this like what a girl

625
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: like quote unquote can do? And then you see a

626
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: movie like this and you're like, oh, okay, I could

627
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: see that great, um okay, so well, we've covered some

628
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: of the basketball part of Love and basketball. Um, should

629
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: we cover some of the love forever the love because

630
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: the love is where things get a little um trickier.

631
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: So the relationship between Monica and Quincy is often a

632
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: bit tumultuous. He is per perhaps not a feminist icon

633
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: in that he does have a pretty fragile male ego

634
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: throughout the starting from all of the quarters. The quarters

635
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: lashes out with ego related stuff, starting with you know

636
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: at the very beginning when he's saying like, girls can't

637
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: play ball and then scars her for a life, but

638
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: pushes her down because she's about to beat him, and

639
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: he's like, well, I can't have that. I can't have

640
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: a girl beating me at basketball. So and then you

641
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: know she does. There's the exchange where she says, I'm

642
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: going to be the first girl in the n b

643
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: A and he's like, you're not going to be in

644
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: the NBA. I'm going to be in the NBA and

645
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna be my cheerleader. That doesn't set necessarily a

646
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: good example for the rest of their relationship. Also, like

647
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 1: the whole like you have to sit on my bike

648
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: and I'll drive you around. She's like, I want to

649
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: ride my own bike. Then he pushes her down again,

650
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: but she fights back and you know, insults his dad

651
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: and the clippers and stuff. Uh. Then they're in high school.

652
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: This is before they get together. He still isn't tree

653
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: in her very well. He negs her a lot. Well

654
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: there's I mean, there's that whole setup throughout their kind

655
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: of relationship in high school and college where he seems

656
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: to like kind of continuously flirt with other women to

657
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: quote unquote teach her a lesson, which ends up kind

658
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,439
Speaker 1: of being one of the reasons that they like break

659
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: up and things kind of come to a head. Is

660
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: like any time she is whatever, not doing what he

661
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: wants her to do or not acting how she wants

662
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,479
Speaker 1: him to act um or sorry reverse that he will

663
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: initiate like kind of emotional warfare and be like, Okay, well,

664
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: if you're not going to do this, then I'm going

665
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: to go talk to you know, and just almost reminding

666
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: her like I have options, I don't need you, and

667
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: just kind of using that to put her down when

668
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: she's already so kept down by so many things. It

669
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: makes me man for her sometimes then, right, I know,

670
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: I feel so bad because I'm like I have so

671
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: much sympathy frequency. Really I do. I know that. That's

672
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: like as you're as you were talking, I was thinking

673
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: like even when I even when I was young and

674
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: saw the movie, I don't know. I have a lot

675
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: of siblings, and so when I see the behavior, like,

676
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: obviously it's all I see it. Definitely its egotistical, but

677
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: I also I see it more as immaturity, and I

678
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: see Quincy was like an only child, and he truly

679
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: mirrored exactly what he saw with his dad. Yeah, with

680
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: his dad and his mom, Like, he truly mirrored exactly that.

681
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: And then I think, like when we first saw them,

682
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: there are certain things that are like true to a time, right.

683
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: So like if I see a movie that's in like

684
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: um during slavery or something, right, and somebody wants somebody

685
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: to be super like a superhero, right, but they instead

686
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: get whipped, It's like, yeah, that was slavery. That's what

687
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: happened in historically, you know what I'm saying. And so

688
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: when I think about him doing what he did, when

689
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: him saying girls don't play basketball, when I think about

690
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: as much as I was not born in I can't

691
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: think of any images even in the eighties where I

692
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: saw women playing basketball. I didn't know no friends who

693
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: played basketball. The first time that I played basketball, which

694
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: was in the late nineties, nobody was like, you should

695
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: play basketball. I saw no examples. It was just like

696
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: I walked in the gym one day and it was

697
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: a basketball and some other girls were playing and I

698
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: was tall enough, and it was like, you should probably

699
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: do this too, you know. But so I feel like

700
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: his statement, while it sounds so misogynistic, it's it's actually

701
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: just like a fact of that time, and it's like

702
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: what he knows, right. That's like one thing that I

703
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: think that this movie does really well is even when

704
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 1: Quincy is saying stuff that like now and and in

705
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: some instance for its time as well, like sound misogynists

706
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: and cruel, and at times it genuinely is like sometimes

707
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: the way he treats Monica, you're like, this is not okay. Uh.

708
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: But I at least appreciate that the movie makes it

709
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: clear to you that his behavior and her behavior don't

710
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 1: exist in a vacuum, and you get this equal focus

711
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: on like, you know, he's very clearly pulling from the

712
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: behavior of his father, and and to watch him I

713
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 1: wish it even like I guess perfect world. I wish

714
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: that things coming to a head with his father and

715
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: him kind of losing faith, and like, you know that

716
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: moment that I feel like happens for a lot of

717
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: people where you're like, oh, my parent doesn't perfect and

718
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: like there goes my hero or whatever that's the name

719
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: of a song, right, But like you know, when when

720
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: that kind of all comes crashing down, you almost like

721
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: wanted to impact his behavior even more, but like you

722
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: do see where it comes from, I don't know. And

723
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: and just like watching the way he and Monica deal

724
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: with things differently, where Quincy sees an example and he

725
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: emulates it, you can't really fault him for that. That's

726
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: what kids do. But then you see Monica seas an

727
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: example and her mother and she rejects it, and she's like,

728
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 1: I don't want to be that person. I see how

729
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: my mom is treated, like in that amazing scene where

730
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: she's like, I saw how you know, dad treated you,

731
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: and I didn't want to be that person. So yeah,

732
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's tough because like Quincy has

733
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: a ton of toxic behavior that I feel like Monica,

734
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, okay, this is maybe getting a

735
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: little off dunk, but like the thing that bothered me.

736
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: I mean, you could make the argument that he maybe

737
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: should have demonstrated a little more improvement as a person

738
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: before Monica should have taken him back. But what frustrated

739
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: me on like a doing whatever a critical rewatch, which

740
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: I've never done for this movie, was at the end

741
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: he like owes her an apology for the way they

742
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: broke up, Like that was very clearly on him. It

743
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: was all writing on like you couldn't be there for

744
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: me when I needed you. It was one night, Like

745
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 1: it's I feel like with a few years of distance,

746
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: you could be like, Okay, I overreacted maybe, And he

747
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: doesn't apologize to her. She apologizes to him for being

748
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: like I should have been there that night, and I

749
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: was like, no, you shouldn't have. You won that game,

750
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: like you know. So that is my major thing with

751
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: their relationship is like I wish he had made more

752
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: of a change in the way that he deals with

753
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: his life before she took him, because you write a

754
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: lot of it is like him being immature and like

755
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: modeling his behavior after the examples that are set for

756
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: him by his parents, and that's how parenting works, and

757
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 1: that's how children are raised. So you like there's a yeah,

758
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: we can't place too much blame on him as a

759
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: younger person, but as he as he grows and you know,

760
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 1: sees the world around him and really starts to understand

761
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: how the world works, and that you can't you know,

762
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: be constantly disrespecting women and your girlfriend. Yeah, and so

763
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: we do better at basketball the way. Also, he was

764
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 1: like so codependent, Like as when we see Monica after

765
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: him as an adult, we see her always on her own.

766
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: We see her in this different country. I think it's

767
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: like really like like everybody travels now right at the

768
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: very least for an Instagram post, But that's feel like

769
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: as a single woman playing but you know, in in

770
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: the early nineties, for you to just be going around

771
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 1: the world, especially when your example of what a woman

772
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: should do is your mom, who is dependent on your father,

773
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: I just felt like that was so like vogue for

774
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: her to do that was you know, she just was

775
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: clearly like the stronger person all of the time, and

776
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: he was cold, depending he was never alone and he

777
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: never really had to like answer for that or I mean,

778
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: you you hope. I like to think by the end

779
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: end of the movie, where she's in the w n

780
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: b A and he's kind of like doing the stay

781
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: at home dad thing or we don't know what he's doing,

782
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: but he's he's there being the supportive force. It's kind

783
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: of the first time where we see him being the

784
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: supportive force where she's supporting him the entire movie until

785
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: they break up. And then it was nice at the

786
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: end to see like, Okay, he is going to be

787
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 1: a supportive force for her finally, like he owes her that,

788
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: and you hope that these discussions have been maybe head

789
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 1: off screen, you know, maybe well she's pregnant, maybe they're

790
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 1: just figuring stuff out at the house. I don't know,

791
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, Like she is such a strong, cool person.

792
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: And sometimes I'm like, does Quincy fully understand how fucking

793
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: great Monica is? I hope, I hope so, I hope

794
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: so um and another it's like the Monica defense force.

795
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: And then also, I mean, even though his behavior, like

796
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: we said, is toxic in a lot of ways, especially

797
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: when he's younger, she's always challenging it. She's always pushing

798
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: back against against like several characters who are giving her

799
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: a hard time. Her mom's always like be more feminine,

800
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: quit acting like a boy all the time. Her dad's like,

801
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 1: you know, control your temper. Quincy says, control your temper,

802
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: and she calls out this like sexist double standard. At

803
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 1: one point where she says to Quincy, there in high school,

804
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: she says, you know, you jump in some guy's face,

805
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: you talk, smack, you get a pad on your ass,

806
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: basically saying like you get congratulated for getting angry, but

807
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 1: because I'm a female, I get told to calm down

808
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: and act like a lady. Uh. And that just I

809
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: mean we had uh. Friend of the cast Saya Shamali

810
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: on the podcast. Her book Rage Becomes Her is all

811
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: about how historically women's anger hasn't been allowed, hasn't been

812
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: socially acceptable. Women just aren't allowed to be angry or

813
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: express anger. And she's doing that and she's she's like,

814
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: I should be allowed to be angry, like I lost

815
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: a game, Like let me emote about that, and people

816
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: are just like no, no, no, no. Compending her mother too,

817
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 1: her mother is like calling her out if for some reason,

818
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: it plays on the DVD menu, Like that scene just

819
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: plays on the DVD menu. It's such a weird choice.

820
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, her mom calls her out for displaying too

821
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: much emotion about her performance in the game, like she's like,

822
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: it's just a game, Yeah, relax, like you. She says

823
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: something like that attitude you get when you lose is

824
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: like not whatever, not becoming um. She tells her to

825
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: smile more at one point too, and and yet and

826
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: Monica never folds to that for sure. Yeah so yeah, uh.

827
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: Monica is always pushing back, challenging the status quo, challenging

828
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: anything like sexist that gets said to her, and which

829
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: is so interesting too because it's also that conversation like

830
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: nature versus nurture, Like you know, it's like Quincy, it's

831
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: like Monica has no example of strength really, but she's

832
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: the strong person. I don't want to say that because

833
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: I feel like there's something strong in the choice that

834
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: her mom made to I feel like, whatever, Okay, she's nothing,

835
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: nothing like her mom. So that's just nature, right, who

836
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 1: how she is and who she is, it's just nature.

837
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: But then Quincy is like all nurture, like I'm this

838
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: is all I'm a product of. Yeah, And I think

839
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 1: that that was very I like, I mean yeah, because

840
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: I feel like everyone's I don't know, there should be

841
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: like some nature nurture spectrum of like some people fall

842
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: a little more on the like, yeah, this is just

843
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: how they are, and then some people very much are

844
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: like I'm following, and so it's those footsteps were like

845
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: this is what I saw. I don't know, Yeah, Monica

846
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: is saw her own person. I think it was like

847
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,959
Speaker 1: a really interesting choice to also include her sister, who

848
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: is very much more on the nurture side of like

849
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,479
Speaker 1: she's going basically with her mother's example, and we see

850
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: her later that you know, she's she's a stay at

851
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: home mom and she's had a kid and all this stuff,

852
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: and that she's kind of rewarded with the favorite title

853
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: for taking her mom's cues versus pushing against them. Um,

854
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: because it just stands to make Monica even more like

855
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: unique in her own family of like, yeah, it's not

856
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: like her sister wasn't like impervious to it. And in

857
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: most scenes with her sister, it's her sister like brushing

858
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: and doing her hair, and it's like a very like

859
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: you know, feminine kind of domestic type of thing. And

860
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: and we're not saying that like that is lesser than

861
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: you know, Monica playing basketball and choosing like that's you know,

862
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: they're they're just different as all. I don't think the

863
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: movie is saying that either. The movie is not passing

864
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: judgment on her sister for going a different way, but

865
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: it's just I guess her mom. Really, I feel like

866
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: she passed the judgment on her own mom. But I

867
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 1: don't think the movie is because you I would say, yeah,

868
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: I feel like because you get that scene with the

869
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: two of them, and and Monica is you know, kind

870
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: of like you know why she's doing it, but you're like, oh,

871
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: he's up a little bit where she's shipping on her

872
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: mom because her mom it's so like it breaks her

873
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: heart a little bit because her mom keeps bringing up

874
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: when Monica like got dolled up for the prom and

875
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: looked traditionally like feminine the way her mom wanted her to.

876
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: And her mom's always like, that's my proudest memory of you,

877
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: like when I was making you do something you didn't

878
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: want to do. And she brings that up again, and

879
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: Monica snaps at her, and then we get to see

880
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: how her mom what is that it's Camille as a

881
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,959
Speaker 1: name of the character, and then Camille kind of gives

882
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: her perspective of like I had dreams too. There were

883
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: I mean, like you were saying saying like she's a

884
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: product of her time in a lot of ways, where

885
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: like she got pregnant and felt like, well, this is

886
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: the option and had to like kind of sideline her

887
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: own ambition, and also she thought that I do think

888
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: the movie was passing a little bit of judgment on

889
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: the homemaker. But I think that they also were like,

890
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: but here's why, Like I feel like they tried to

891
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,959
Speaker 1: give both sides of like, here's the problem, but let's

892
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: just show what causes. Let's just show why it's not

893
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: really you know, where her mom said, Like, I feel

894
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: like the mom felt like she was a hero or

895
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: a hero in some sense because she was like, yeah,

896
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: but I made sure that you guys always ate. I

897
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: made like this is what I could do well, and

898
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: I did it as best as I could. Every single day.

899
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: I showed up. I set aside sometimes what made me happy,

900
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: because this is what made your dad happy, and that

901
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: allowed your lives to be what they are. And I

902
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: think a lot of mothers do. I have friends that

903
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: are mothers like their young mothers, and they still are like,

904
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: my husband won't take the trash out, And in my mind,

905
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, just don't take the fucking trash out. You

906
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: have to just don't do Yeah, now we just all

907
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: living in trash. Somebody got a break first, but they

908
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: always take the trash out. Do you know what I'm saying,

909
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: which just allows the behavior. Well, that's I think that

910
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: is actually what Monica is passing judgment against her mom for,

911
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: which is not pushing back. Never There's that scene early

912
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: on when um, Monica's dad is like which shirt should

913
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: I wear? And she's like this one. He's like, well

914
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: just iron them both just in case, and she's like, okay,

915
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: I guess I have to do all your own and like, yeah,

916
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: she never challenged, she never pushed back, and like, maybe

917
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: why don't you learn how to iron yourself and I

918
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 1: earn your own shirt? But um, and that's what Monica

919
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 1: was like, it's not that you're a homemaker, it's not

920
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: that I passed no judgment against that mom. It's that

921
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: you never challenged anything, You never stood up for yourself.

922
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: Um that Yeah, I mean that's just an interesting dynamic. Yeah,

923
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: And like that generation gap just kind of being because

924
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: that's kind of like the Boomer gen X divide is

925
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: like starting with gen X, that was like a more

926
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: like let me fucking do something. I'm going to keep

927
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: challenging it. And that's why I think why you're saying,

928
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: like Monica like allowed herself to be angry and like

929
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: allowed herself to to have a temper and to have

930
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: a quote attitude because she's like, well, if my mom's

931
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: not going to do it, like, I don't want to.

932
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. That's not who I am.

933
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to be that, and I'm going to

934
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: because you could see moments where like her mom wanted to,

935
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: She's like, I really don't have to iron both, but

936
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: she didn't. She didn't say anything, and um, she just

937
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 1: chose to remain silent, and that's like what bothered Monica. Yeah. Also,

938
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: I think it would have been very different, and this

939
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: is just a small stipulation in a pet peeve of mine.

940
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 1: If he would have said, hey, baby, I'm not sure

941
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: which one I want to wear? Can you iron both?

942
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 1: But to come in and say what do you think?

943
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,479
Speaker 1: Oh you think that? Why don't you just eye your both?

944
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: It's like why did you even add my opinion? Yeah,

945
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: Because then he's just saying like well, funk what you think,

946
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 1: I don't trust your Yeah, yeah, there's and and then

947
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot. I mean you don't see her quite

948
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: as much. But I thought that um Quincy's mom is

949
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 1: also an interesting character where you get that scene where

950
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: she is, you know, miserable she's found out that her

951
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: husband's been cheating on her. On top of you know,

952
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: we knew that their relationship was in trouble anyways because

953
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: we saw them fighting, We saw him also expecting her

954
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: to do stuff that she was just like, give me

955
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: this one thing, and what he wasn't doing it. And

956
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 1: then there's that scene where Quincy, you know, you kind

957
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: of see him fall apart in a way because his

958
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: mom is devastated. She's like, your father has been cheating

959
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: on me, and he doesn't believe her. At first, he's like,

960
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: there's no way that could be true, because if that's true,

961
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: then like his whole view of himself is going to

962
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: have to change. But it's like the French people are mad.

963
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: But but it's like it's interesting that like, yeah, he

964
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: like Quincy is so caught up in this view of

965
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: his father because of the way he's been brought up

966
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: that you know, it's like his mom needs to have

967
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: these high res p I photos for her son to

968
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: be like, oh fuck, this is happening, which was like,

969
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought that that was like a

970
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: well written moment for Quincy because you're like, oh, he's

971
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: like far down the rabbit hole of like my dad

972
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: is perfect, Like his mother is in tears and drunk

973
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: by the pool, and he's like, I don't know, it

974
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 1: seems like you might be overreacting, you know. Um, yeah,

975
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: I thought I wish. I almost wish that relationship was

976
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,919
Speaker 1: explored a little bit more, but it's like you only

977
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: got so many minutes. And then they apparently get divorced

978
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: because we see Quincy's mom with a new heir and

979
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: a new man. I like, I like, I like that

980
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: like weird movie like film language where Quincy's dad fat

981
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: and I think it's the third quarter. He's a little

982
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: down to his luck. He's gone through a divorce and

983
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: it's just communicated to you by him being at a

984
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: bar by himself, and you're like, oh, he's not and

985
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: he's like wearing beige and you're like he's not doing great,

986
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: and he's not doing great. Yeah, we got to take

987
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: another quick break, So time out and then we'll be

988
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: right back and we're back. Um. Can we talk about

989
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: the subplot with Sidra, Yeah, teammate in college that I

990
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: found to be interesting and like also kind of reflective

991
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: of this of the time where with women playing basketball

992
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 1: in the late eighties, which is when she's in college

993
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: into the early nineties, the trajectory for for women to

994
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: continue being athletes and to be pro athletes, they have

995
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: to go overseas, Like there's no w n B A

996
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: in the US yet. Um, so I understand they're like

997
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: this then creating this intense competition between women who are teammates,

998
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: but there's still, you know, there's still this sense of like, well,

999
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: there's so few opportunities for us that we kind of

1000
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: have to compete against each other. Like best case scenario,

1001
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 1: they have to uproot their lives and move to Spain, right, Um,

1002
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: Because you see this moment early on when Sidra is

1003
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,479
Speaker 1: like spotting her as she's bench pressing, and she says

1004
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: something like, you know, just because we played the same position,

1005
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: doesn't mean we need to compete with each other. Just kidding,

1006
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: you're a soft asked freshman, and then she drops the

1007
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: bench pressed bar thing on her um. So it's like, oh,

1008
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: that was also close to being nice moment, but then

1009
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: it's like, oh wait, well, like when you contextualize, it's like, yes,

1010
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: like and there are so many spaces where just not

1011
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: that many women are allowed still, and we do feel

1012
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: like we have to compete against each other for yeah,

1013
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: like for its time that dynamic, like, and I like

1014
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: how it develops over the course of the movie too,

1015
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: and you see they reach to truth and then they

1016
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: become friends and this whole thing. But it's like it

1017
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: sucks because it is like it is like a movie

1018
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 1: troupe of just like women being against each other irrationally

1019
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: just because like is another woman in the room. She's

1020
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: my competition for this guy. But that's not their dynamic.

1021
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 1: It's like they are in competition for the same very

1022
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 1: finite thing. And I don't know, I feel like even

1023
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: like I've felt that way before, and it makes me

1024
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: feel bad to think about now, like being in a

1025
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 1: space where you're like, Okay, there's only so many spots

1026
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: that I will be allowed to fill, and so like

1027
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm not here to make friends, and so her attitude

1028
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: makes it sucks because it's like it's hard to watch

1029
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: and you're like, why can't we all just be on this?

1030
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,439
Speaker 1: But but I think that, yeah, that the characters are

1031
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: written at first, I mean, she seems maybe a little

1032
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: mean at first glance where she drops the barbell on Monica.

1033
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: That was maybe not very cool, but you get you

1034
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: get the context for it. I feel like, you know,

1035
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 1: I hate that narrative period that like women have to fight.

1036
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: I really do um and I do recognize it in

1037
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: a lot of instances, there is this finite space that

1038
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: we feel we need to compete for. But I think

1039
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: that's also true too. I think that a lot of

1040
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: what we see in the athletics of this seems like

1041
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: why the girl's gotta be like that, But it's just

1042
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: that's athletics. It's just that we focus on Monica in

1043
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: this story because this story really isn't about Quincy. The

1044
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,879
Speaker 1: story is about Monica, and so that's something that's going

1045
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: to happen. Also in the male locker room between a

1046
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: freshman and the scene, I think that I think that

1047
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: they probably recruit a little bit differently. You know, like

1048
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 1: there's probably way more number one teams for men to go.

1049
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: There's way more prospering teams for a male athlete to

1050
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: go to than a female athlete. But I think you

1051
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: get that. I think you get that same thing. No,

1052
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: no senior wants a freshman, regardless of their gender to

1053
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: come in and take their spot. Absolutelyeah, And I feel

1054
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: like there's I don't watch sports movies, so I can't

1055
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: name examples off the top of my head, but there's

1056
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: definitely examples of like male driven sports movies where you

1057
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: see kind of the same dynamic rookie of the year.

1058
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: Probably I have never seen it, but but it is, Yeah,

1059
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: that that totally makes sense what I liked about Sidre

1060
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: or like, you know, she she is like coming in hot,

1061
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: She's very clearly threatened by Monica's presence, and but then

1062
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: when she loses her spot, she I almost you're like, oh,

1063
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: the worst thing this movie could do right now is

1064
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: like have them getting a fight or like some one

1065
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: of those really trophy like over the top things. But

1066
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: I really was like, I really like how that scene,

1067
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: like the choice that part, yeah she takes, she has

1068
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: like a ton of dignity about it, and she's clearly

1069
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: piste off because fucking of course she is, but she

1070
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: just is like don't let this happen to you buy

1071
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: and and then they see each other in Spain years later.

1072
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's like classy as hell, Like

1073
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: not a lot of people have that. And then she's

1074
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: like and then they get dinner together and there's like

1075
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: a little playful banter where she's like, here's my championship trophy.

1076
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: It's here on the table um and then but like, yeah,

1077
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: Sidre was like, are you fucking Spanish guys or what?

1078
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: And she's like, no, you ever had sex with one person?

1079
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: Can we can we talk about that really quick? That

1080
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: was one thing that I was like, movie, are you

1081
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: gonna do that? Where? Okay, so and I'm sure that

1082
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: there's a case against this, but I feel like, okay,

1083
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: this is this sort of lines up with prejudices of

1084
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: that time. That's sort of like still bleed into now.

1085
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: But like I think the movie wants us to believe

1086
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: that Monica has only ever had sex with Quincy. That

1087
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: is sort of the implication we're getting at every moment,

1088
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: and you know, like we're raised from so young or

1089
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: I remember, I think probably a lot of why this

1090
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: romance appealed to me so much when I was little

1091
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: as like, oh, the first boy I kiss, He's going

1092
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: to be the one person that I'm ever with, and

1093
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: like that is something that I think especially girls are

1094
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: raised with. It is like you are supposed to be

1095
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: with one person, where boys are often encouraged to, you know,

1096
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: like get around and be promiscuous, and like they're not

1097
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: telling me, just in terms of math, how is that possible?

1098
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: Like if every girl is only ever with one person,

1099
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: how are men with so many people? About women? They

1100
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: were just like I never married my one person, Like yeah,

1101
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: it's like you can't imagine having to marry your first

1102
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: kiss terrifying. I would I would live in Hartford, would

1103
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: be I would be in trouble. Okay, Anyways, this movie

1104
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: is challenging of so many things, and that was one

1105
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: thing that you're like, oh that it didn't really push

1106
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: back on that kind of fantasy we're presented with as

1107
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: kids as because it's made clear started from when he's

1108
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: like fifteen sixteen, Quincy is like not discouraged from being

1109
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: promiscuous and like we're not shaming him for that, but

1110
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: it's like his mom is like whose earring is this his?

1111
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: But it's only his mom. His dad's like this rules.

1112
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: His friends are like this rules. Every girl at school

1113
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: is throwing themselves at him. Gabrielle Union is sending her

1114
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: couchie through the mail, which is my favorite line of

1115
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: the Glunion is there. Uh and and like his like

1116
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: promisecuity is never calling the question, which it shouldn't be.

1117
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: But I feel like the movie just I thought it

1118
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: would have been cool if like Monica had had another

1119
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: boyfriend or just it would have been cool too because

1120
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: because and there's just I just always have it in

1121
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: my head of like sometimes it's like you need this

1122
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: is my opinion of I'm like, sometimes you need a

1123
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: second relationship just to know if the first relationship was

1124
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: like the right one, because otherwise you have no nothing

1125
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: to compare it to. And then you're like I could

1126
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: be having terrible sex forever you'd never know. So that

1127
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,479
Speaker 1: was like one thing that I'm like, I I wish

1128
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: that Monica had been sort of allowed by the story

1129
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: to have more of a personal life. A Spaniard boyfriend. Yeah,

1130
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: why couldn't you have had sex with one of the

1131
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: Spanish guys? When she was like, no, these guys aren't

1132
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: my type, I'm like, what are you talking about? I

1133
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: thought that it was doing two things and I'm really

1134
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 1: probably gonna get to go into part for this, So

1135
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: I thought that they were trying to point out like, yeah,

1136
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,919
Speaker 1: Monica has only ever been with Quincy, which is like,

1137
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: if that's true, if you know, for women out there,

1138
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: if that's the case, that's fine as well, but also

1139
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: like it's totally fine to be fucking you know whatever.

1140
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: But I also thought that, and this may be because

1141
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: I was around a lot of female athletes, and I

1142
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: think that something that you fight against is a female athlete,

1143
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: is being straight or gay, okay, And I felt like

1144
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: with Cidrus characters specifically, they had her speak sort of

1145
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: very cavalier in that way about her sex life in

1146
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: Spain to sort of address like, two female athletes can

1147
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: be together and they don't they don't have to be

1148
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: gay women. Yeah, I think that that's I just thought

1149
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: at that time, like, I don't think that that's something.

1150
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the conversation if that, if Love

1151
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: and Basketball was made, that they would feel the need

1152
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: to touch on. But I think Loving Basketball came out

1153
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: in two thousand, I don't think there was nearly as

1154
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: much acceptance or pride or you know, what I'm saying, Like,

1155
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 1: I just think that it was still pretty taboo, and

1156
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: and at being a period piece on top of that,

1157
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: are you're like, oh, it's the late eighties there, that's interesting.

1158
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: I hadn't even thought about that. And and Monica kind

1159
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:17,479
Speaker 1: of directly addresses in a, you know, not a elegant way,

1160
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: but addresses, yeah, that assumption that she would be queer

1161
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: or I mean, she's she like yells at her mom like, oh,

1162
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: you think I'm a lesbian because I've always focused on

1163
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: my game. Well that's not true. So she's kind like

1164
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: in some ways she's addressing this stereotype. And then she's

1165
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: also doing this no homo thing that is like eighties

1166
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: and two recently because it's this scene where her like

1167
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: mom's like, why why can't you dress more like a

1168
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: girl and stuff like that, and she's like, let's go

1169
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: on the lesbian and then her mom goes and she's like, no,

1170
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm not, but like, but yeah, I mean that that

1171
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: almost it's I don't think it's as bad as this example,

1172
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: but like that reminded me of a scene. And there's

1173
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: something about Mary where uh, Cameron dial is like jokes

1174
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: a out being bisexual as a way to be like,

1175
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: got you, Ben Stiller, So like any time when queerness

1176
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: is like lied about as either kind of a weapon

1177
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: or a joke against someone else, like that's obviously not okay,

1178
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. She is kind of addressing like that

1179
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: stereotyche talk and yeah, and she's doing it to like

1180
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: challenge her mom, because her mom, And that reminds me

1181
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: of of a storyline and Benditt like Beckham where the

1182
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: Cure Nightly character's mom is like, why can't you wear

1183
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: like lacy bras and dresses and why do you always

1184
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: address like a boy and act like a boy, because

1185
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: like Monica is pretty tomboyish and she embraces and she's

1186
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: fine with that, and tomboy isn't getting those screen times.

1187
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: I know I was a tomboy growing up, and like

1188
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: and yeah, like it's it's nice represence. And there is

1189
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: that like kind of trophy scene in the very beginning

1190
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: where the person that you thought was a boy takes

1191
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: off their hat or takes off their helmet and they're

1192
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: a girl, a girl, which does happen this movie, but

1193
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: the way it's handled in terms of like her being like, yeah,

1194
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: I'm a lesbian just kidding is not handled well, but

1195
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: there is like her again just constantly pushing back against

1196
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: like the status quo and like the stereotypes that are

1197
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: pushed on her. So yeah, if that scene was written

1198
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: in it would sound different, but I feel like, yeah,

1199
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of clear what she's saying, even though

1200
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: she's saying it in a very nineteen eighty whatever way.

1201
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: I also wanted to talk about the sex scene a

1202
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:32,439
Speaker 1: little bit more, Yes, just in the sense that well,

1203
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: because it's it's the love part of Love and Basketball,

1204
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: I think it's a pretty like and we've analyzed a

1205
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 1: lot of sex scenes in on this podcast, but I

1206
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: was like, this is like one of the most realistic

1207
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: and like kind of like responsibly done. I guess like

1208
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: sex scenes you've ever I've seen in movies, because he

1209
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: takes out a condom and you see you never see

1210
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 1: someone take out especially it's a teenagers, Like that's such

1211
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 1: an important for teenagers to see and se and like

1212
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 1: the fact that we see like a high school student

1213
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: and history you're like, you should definitely wear protection. Rent,

1214
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 1: But I like that scene because it's it's from Monica's perspective,

1215
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,439
Speaker 1: which I feel like you never really get a scene,

1216
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: especially like a virginity scene told from the woman's perspective,

1217
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: Like it's very like it's a sexy scene, but it's

1218
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: also focused on you can tell she's even though she

1219
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,919
Speaker 1: she's initiated it, but she's nervous and it's like she's

1220
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: covering up her boobs. That was something that I just

1221
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 1: didn't like. My research about the production um was and

1222
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: it's like you're like two thousand Jesus Christ that the

1223
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: director was getting a lot of pushback against, and that

1224
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: was their argument for wanting it to be an R

1225
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: rated movie because I guess that scene was originally even

1226
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: a little bit longer and a little more focused on

1227
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:00,919
Speaker 1: her like anxiety but also her pleasure and like things

1228
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: we'd never get to see in movies, and like she

1229
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: had to make an argument to still get the PG

1230
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: thirteen rating that this movie. Also the m p a

1231
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: A Was like it's rated her and she's like right,

1232
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: and she was pretty, and she was able to effectively

1233
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: make the argument that it's like she was like, I

1234
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: think you're just saying this because it's from a woman's perspective,

1235
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: and what she did when she took a sex scene

1236
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: from a movie I've never seen but I've heard is

1237
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 1: very long called Meet Joe Black brad Pitt. It's a

1238
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 1: brad Pitt movie. When did it come? Kay? So, like

1239
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 1: while this movie was being probably evaluated by the m

1240
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,439
Speaker 1: P A a um, there's a scene where I guess

1241
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: brad Pitt's character loses his virginity. It's an even like

1242
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: in terms of what they show, it's an even raunchier

1243
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: scene and it's told from his character's perspective. And so

1244
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 1: she played those scenes but side by side, and she's like,

1245
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 1: why is this movie pg? Thirteen and mine has to

1246
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 1: be rated her and they had to give it to her. Gina.

1247
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: That doesn't surprise me at all, though I know yeah

1248
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: she doesn't. Yeah, but does initiate the like the kissing.

1249
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 1: She does surprise kiss him, but he's receptive to it

1250
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: whatever yea um, but yeah, she's like, Yeah, here's my

1251
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:14,959
Speaker 1: naked body and put your digging me. It's a great

1252
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 1: sex scene. Every time I see it, I'm like, and

1253
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: they play like that cover of the Kate Bush song

1254
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 1: and you're just like, oh, this scene is the best.

1255
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: And then like there's Jamie you mentioned this when we

1256
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: were watching it together. But um, just like kind of

1257
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 1: like speaking of sex and sexuality, we see locker scenes

1258
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: of like female athletes in this movie. Compare this movie

1259
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: to this locker scenes like the locker room scenes and

1260
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:42,919
Speaker 1: carry which come from a male director, male cinematographer. It's

1261
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: like lingering male gaze, like completely objectifying women, those ones

1262
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: where you're like, oh, this movie is directed by a woman,

1263
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 1: clearly because when you see it sometimes the way that

1264
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: like men will direct female locker room scenes, it's just

1265
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: like women are wearing like victorious secret fra. They're like

1266
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: grabbing each other in this kind of soft porny kind

1267
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: of way where it's like, no, they really are just

1268
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: changing and having conversations, is of it. So I think

1269
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: that that was like all the big stuff that ahead.

1270
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: I think the only other thing is just like a

1271
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: comment on and this is like one of those immaturity

1272
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: things rather than because we were all very problematic when

1273
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: we were teenagers. Um or at least you were when

1274
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: you grew up in the nineties. But Monica like slut

1275
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 1: shames a lot of like especially the girls who are

1276
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 1: going after Quincy, and it's it's like, Okay, she's doing

1277
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 1: that because she's probably jealous because she's secretly in love

1278
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 1: with Quincy. But there's like a lot of the cheerleaders

1279
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 1: are written to be very two type like this movie.

1280
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 1: I mean, this movie doesn't really have a vested interest

1281
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: in challenging cheerleader stereotypes. That's what Bringing On is for.

1282
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: But um, but the cheerleaders in this movie are written

1283
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: very like they're boy crazy. They're like blah blah blah. Yeah. Yeah,

1284
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 1: I feel like it's very interesting this movie only really

1285
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 1: had two types of women. You either had the really

1286
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: like um, independent woman character in Monica, but then every

1287
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 1: other woman. I mean we don't see really her team,

1288
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 1: we don't see the lives of her teammates, but every

1289
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 1: other woman that they focused on in the film, it's

1290
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: pretty much like for the service of a man. Yeah, yeah, PERI.

1291
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 1: And it's and that's like why it's even more like

1292
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: I wish Monica could have had sex with someone else,

1293
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 1: just because it's like I feel like her character is

1294
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: almost because she's so independent and hard working and like

1295
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 1: focused on her goals that she's her character is slightly

1296
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: de sexualized a little bit um in a way that

1297
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 1: it's I feel like in this movie isn't like a

1298
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 1: bad offender of it at all, but it's just like

1299
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: something that's picking up on like the any time there's

1300
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: a career woman in a movie, she's de sexualized for

1301
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 1: being like, you know, whereas you see fucking like Wolf

1302
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: of Wall Street Wheld, it's like, yeah, this is a

1303
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: very high power. Maybe not that's a bad example, but

1304
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: like they can't stop fucking, they're addicted to fucking. I

1305
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I don't think she's entirely do

1306
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 1: sexualized because we do see yeah, we see her sex,

1307
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 1: but like the fact that she isn't permitted to like

1308
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: explore outside of her sexual experience with Quincy is worth

1309
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 1: noting for sure. Yeah, did you have any other thoughts?

1310
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 1: That I could talk about this all day? Um, even

1311
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: with the sort of problematic conversations, I think it's still

1312
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: a movie that I'll like continuously enjoy And I think

1313
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:41,440
Speaker 1: I you know how, like in the fight for change,

1314
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 1: sometimes you have to be extreme, and so it leaves

1315
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: out the reality that there are women who have only

1316
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: ever had eyes for one person, or like even when

1317
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: I think about my own sexual history, I'm very much

1318
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 1: not sexual. If I'm not in love with the with

1319
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 1: the guy, you know, And but I also understand, like

1320
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: even in love and Basketball, I feel like anything that

1321
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 1: anybody picks out about it, it's all true and valid.

1322
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:15,759
Speaker 1: But then I'm like the other side is all true

1323
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: and valid too, So to me, I think this is

1324
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 1: a movie that like holds up pretty well sure that

1325
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: it you know, it's twenty years old, but it's exploring

1326
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: a lot of things that I think are ahead of

1327
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 1: its time. In an ideal world, I would have liked

1328
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: to see maybe Quincy not if he was going to

1329
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: be so toxic at the beginning. I think we need

1330
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 1: to see a more significant character arc for him where

1331
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 1: he's more respectful and treats her better by the end,

1332
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 1: or just him being more respectful from the start, but

1333
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 1: also you know, taking into account the context of the

1334
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:58,759
Speaker 1: time period, and that's the whole like nature versus nurtured

1335
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: conversation again. But um, yeah, if if there's gonna be

1336
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 1: because I'm not necessarily drawn to like romance stories that much,

1337
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 1: so if there is going to be a romantic storyline

1338
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 1: in a movie, I have very specific guidelines that I

1339
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 1: wanted to like fall within, and I just want it

1340
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 1: to be if it is a hetero relationship, I want

1341
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 1: the man to be really, really nice and respectful. Then

1342
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 1: we're not really getting that as much as I would

1343
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 1: like in this movie. Um. But at the same time,

1344
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 1: I think it's ahead of its time in many ways,

1345
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 1: and the fact that you do have this very strong,

1346
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:38,839
Speaker 1: outspoken woman who allows yourself to be angry, who challenges

1347
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 1: the status quo, um, who is never like when she's

1348
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,759
Speaker 1: told girls don't play basketball, you can't be in the NBA,

1349
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 1: she never listens. She's just like, fuck it, I have

1350
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: a trajectory and I'm going to go on it. And yeah,

1351
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 1: she just like I mean she yeah, Monica pushes back

1352
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 1: again so much that it's like these are small gripes.

1353
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 1: And it's like, also, i mean, not every strong woman

1354
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: you meet, it it's just I mean, not everyone's pushing

1355
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 1: against every single thing. That's like, there's only so much energy.

1356
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 1: And and it's also, I mean, it's kind of consistently

1357
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: communicated that she has to work so much harder to

1358
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: have the same thing that Quincy has. That like, it

1359
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 1: makes sense that she has less time to date. I

1360
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 1: just yeah, I just sort of wish that Dad had

1361
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 1: gone a little more acknowledged, and it felt just like

1362
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 1: a little taken for granted, that was just but that

1363
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 1: was just like my read of it. I'm very happy though,

1364
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 1: with her happily ever After, which for me felt like

1365
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,639
Speaker 1: the w NBA game, Like, I know, happily ever After

1366
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be herwit Quincy. But I just I'm

1367
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 1: just so happy that that final clip is her starting

1368
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 1: playing the game and then her husband sidelines. I'm like, yeah,

1369
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 1: this is how it is. She deserves it. Yeah, it's

1370
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: just nice to see her finally get like what she

1371
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 1: has deserved the whole movie. I do. I do find

1372
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: it a little annoying that she's like, well, I don't

1373
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 1: like playing basketball anymore because Quincy, You're not a part

1374
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 1: of my life, and because he clearly he didn't feel

1375
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 1: that way, right, He's like, I'm I have Tyra Banks.

1376
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: I'm good. But if she hadn't showed up, he would

1377
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: have just gotten married. But he would have been unhappy.

1378
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: He would have been He's not saying it because men

1379
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: are freaking stupid. Where he is sitting there tortured, Yeah, yeah,

1380
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 1: I mean that would have been his punishment, is that

1381
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 1: he would have had to have a loveless marriage with

1382
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 1: Tyra Banks. Um. Yeah, I think the main thing for

1383
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 1: me is that I wish the romantic storyline would have

1384
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 1: gone the love part of Love and Basketball would have

1385
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:42,679
Speaker 1: gone a little differently. But everything else about the movie,

1386
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 1: for the most part, is pretty top notch. Yeah, and

1387
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,680
Speaker 1: we're sitting over here in like, you know, it was

1388
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 1: two yes, we get it, it was two thousand. It

1389
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 1: was also whatever, right, Yeah, but he could have apologized

1390
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: every time there every time there's a scene where you know,

1391
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,440
Speaker 1: the man should be apologizing and then the woman apologizes

1392
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 1: and then they kiss, You're just like, damn it. Like

1393
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:09,759
Speaker 1: he barely apologizes for giving her permanent scar on her face.

1394
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 1: He like writes this little card that says I'm sorry,

1395
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 1: But it's like, no, let's hear you say the words

1396
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Don't get your mom to bake a cake

1397
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 1: for her, like say if I was like, I mean,

1398
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 1: it's like Monica's parents must secretly hate Quincy's parents for

1399
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 1: just being like write a sorry note. I'm like, you're

1400
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: you guys have so much money, Like I wonder if

1401
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 1: I wonder what came first like that in the script

1402
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,759
Speaker 1: or Sinai bian cast because you know Sani scars. Actually

1403
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 1: it's real. Yeah, it's yeah, so I wonder if that was.

1404
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 1: But they wrote that in thing. Yeah, just like how

1405
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 1: they write in Harrison Ford's scar the origin stories of

1406
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: it in the third Indiana Jones movie. Anyway, sorry to

1407
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: bring it up, just struggle to care about Harrison Ford. Um,

1408
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 1: does this movie past the actual test? Yes, yes, yeah,

1409
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 1: I think it does. There's a lot of dialogue. Yeah,

1410
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 1: there's two sentences. There's at least two sentences they're about

1411
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: with like Monica and her teammates. It passes if you

1412
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 1: different coach, her coach or sister. Yeah, there's a lot.

1413
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 1: I mean it's it is Monica's story, like and you

1414
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: get to see Yeah, so she interacts with a lot

1415
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 1: of women. She interacts with a lot of women. Yea.

1416
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 1: As far as nipple scale, okay, so our our nipple

1417
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 1: scale zero to five nipples based on its representation of women,

1418
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 1: I would give this, I want to say, like a

1419
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 1: three point seven five. I think again, I still take

1420
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 1: issue with some of the aspects of the romance part

1421
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:48,680
Speaker 1: of the story. And then like, yeah, the thing where

1422
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 1: it's like she says she's allowed to being as a

1423
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 1: joke to like as a shock kind of thing for

1424
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 1: her mom. Different little things like that. But overall, like

1425
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: I said, I think it's ahead of its time. I

1426
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:00,679
Speaker 1: think the fact that it's an almost entire hardly black

1427
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 1: cast is something we hardly ever get to see. And

1428
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 1: I think it handles a lot of things really well

1429
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 1: and and like a really nuanced way where even though

1430
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 1: like some characters are toxic and some characters have some

1431
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 1: like problematic points of view, there's you know, it's contextualized,

1432
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 1: and it's because that's how people are, Like, we're no one,

1433
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 1: no one's perfect. We're all sometimes we say stupid ship

1434
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 1: and sometimes we do stupid ship constantly. We're total funk

1435
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 1: ups um. But yeah, I think it's just like a

1436
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 1: very nuanced, realistic examination of life and love and basketball. Yeah,

1437
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:40,599
Speaker 1: I'll go three point seven and five two. I just

1438
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with everything you said. There's like

1439
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:44,639
Speaker 1: a little bit about the romance that you're like, oh,

1440
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 1: there's a little more to explore there. I am left

1441
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 1: a little bit, like on the rewatch underwhelmed that they

1442
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:55,720
Speaker 1: end up together at the end, because, like we've sort

1443
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:58,680
Speaker 1: of been talking about, Quincy never really had to do

1444
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 1: the work to earn her forgiveness. Um, the story kind

1445
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 1: of makes it seem like he can do basketball without her,

1446
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 1: but she somehow is completely empty without him. Just the president,

1447
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 1: it says, is like, you know, sure end up together,

1448
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 1: but demonstrates some improvement. You know, it's like the fact

1449
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 1: that it was like she was going to give up

1450
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: her career. On top of she forgets, she like apologizes

1451
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: to him for something she doesn't know him an apology for.

1452
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: On top of we don't see him do any of

1453
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 1: the work before they end up together. It's just like

1454
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 1: it's just like a few things too many, especially because

1455
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 1: he spends so much time not treating her very well

1456
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 1: and right, just like negging her and just like not

1457
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 1: and then like the whole thing where he tries to

1458
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 1: teach her a lesson by basically cheating on her because

1459
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 1: she wasn't there for him one time, and we know

1460
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:55,640
Speaker 1: that that's not good, but we just don't see that

1461
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: he's grown, but we don't see that he's grown past

1462
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 1: that behavior. So in that way, I'm like, I'm willing

1463
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 1: to cut this movie slack in some places for the

1464
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 1: many many things that does right, But the relationship just

1465
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 1: like rings a little hollow to me on the rewatch,

1466
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 1: it feels it's just for me. It's too toxic of

1467
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 1: a romantic relationship for me to want to root for ultimately.

1468
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 1: But another huge thing about this movie is there's a

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01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 1: lot of representation behind the camera to which you never

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Speaker 1: ever ever see even now, Like if you have a

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01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 1: predominantly black cast, oftentimes a lot of people behind the

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01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 1: still a straight white man is still just a list

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01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:38,799
Speaker 1: of white guys and maybe a white lady if you're lucky,

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01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:41,639
Speaker 1: Like it's it's very rare. And and just after doing

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01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 1: a little research about Gina Prince Bythewood, she's been like

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01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 1: this incredible advocate for having women behind the scenes, for

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01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: having people of color behind the scenes, and she's just

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01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 1: been like a real force for getting people work who

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01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 1: should be working and having influence in the industry. This

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01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 1: movie was also edited by woman was You're Very very Lazy. Um, So,

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01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:05,679
Speaker 1: just on top of the fact that it is written

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01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 1: and directed by a black woman's a black woman's story,

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01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 1: it's also there was some bullshit that when the year

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01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 1: this came out, where there was another movie called Girl Fight,

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01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 1: just Karen Kusama's first movie, and this movie like just

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01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 1: because it was about women of color who were athletes.

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01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 1: Everyone was like they're the same movie, which is like, okay,

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01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: two thousand, Um Girlfriend is really good that we should

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01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 1: cover it sometime because it's actually seen. It's interesting. I

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01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 1: love Karen Kusama in any case. Yeah, there's like there's

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01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:37,640
Speaker 1: a lot of going on that's great in front of

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01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 1: the camera and behind it. Sore seven five from me, Um,

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01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:45,759
Speaker 1: I would say, I'd say I would give it maybe

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01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 1: four nipples. I feel like they did. I mean, there

1495
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:52,680
Speaker 1: are some things that are problematic, just like you know,

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01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 1: I mean even when we talk about Gabrielle Union, yes character,

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01:20:57,800 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 1: it's like she was kind of go get her to

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01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 1: do we like what she was going to get? Maybe not,

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01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:07,680
Speaker 1: but she was, you know, And I feel like I

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01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 1: feel like sometimes women, when we tell stories about other women,

1501
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 1: sometimes we pass the judgment on quote unquote promiscuity or

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01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: sexual liberation. You know that, Like Gabrielle Union's character is

1503
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 1: just the opposite version of Monica. But she doesn't want

1504
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 1: she wants love more than basketball. Yeah you know, but

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01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 1: and that's the thing, like that character gets shamed a

1506
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: lot exactly. She's just trying to get dick. Yeah, she

1507
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 1: doesn't like get the vote. This is like she doesn't

1508
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: really get the opportunity to like make a case for

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01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 1: herself or just be like or push back or anything. Yeah. Yeah,

1510
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 1: like we don't even we don't get the full person.

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01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 1: We don't know who she is outside of this sexual

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01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 1: experience that she's trying to have with Quincy, which is

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01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 1: like a little bit unfair. But there's also not enough

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01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 1: time in the movie for it. Where's the sequel? I

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01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 1: don't want to see that, So I'll give it. I'll

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01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 1: give it for nipples. There's a lot of things that

1517
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 1: I watch and listen to now that I saw years ago,

1518
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:12,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like, how in the hell? Yeah, and loving basketball,

1519
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:18,680
Speaker 1: I still enjoy it, appreciate it, um, really appreciate certain aspects,

1520
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 1: like the sex scenes. You know, I felt like they

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01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 1: were tasteful. I felt like they were from her perspective. Um, yeah,

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01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 1: I'd give it for Yeah. I don't know. I just

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01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 1: feel there's a part of me that doesn't excuse Quincy,

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01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 1: but I do feel some sort of sympathy for him,

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01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 1: and I feel like his life would have been miserable

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01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 1: without Monica. Yeah, she makes everything better, And it's like

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01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 1: I just like, hold on to that last scene. I'm

1528
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 1: like he's doing some work on the back end to

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01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 1: make up for all those times because and like being

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01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:53,760
Speaker 1: with Monica now he doesn't mess up two women's lives

1531
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 1: because he would have messed up Tyrabans his life. Really

1532
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 1: that is Yeah, that basketball game at the end is

1533
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 1: when she plays for his heart is the best thing

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01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 1: that ever happened to tire Banks. Right, she doesn't even

1535
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:09,680
Speaker 1: know it yet. Yeah, exactly. Well's name. Thank you so

1536
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 1: much for thanks, This was so much fun. Where can

1537
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 1: people follow you online? Check out your stuff? Um on

1538
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 1: social media and every single platform is a AP Johnson

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Speaker 1: z A I N A B Johnson. My website is

1540
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,640
Speaker 1: ZAP Johnson. You guys can go to social media on

1541
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 1: my website and see where I'm performing, or just be

1542
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 1: my friend, UM, my online friend. I'm not one of

1543
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 1: those people that thinks social media is my real friends.

1544
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 1: I Also, I have a podcast. It's called Honesty with Z.

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01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:44,679
Speaker 1: Honesty is spelled h O n E s t e

1546
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,559
Speaker 1: a UM with Z and it's you can find it

1547
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 1: anywhere you get podcasts. Yeah, yeah, thanks for having me,

1548
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 1: Thank you for being here. You can follow us all

1549
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 1: the normal places mostly Twitter, Instagram. Don't send us a

1550
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:02,599
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Speaker 1: up for the Patreon Patreon dot com slash by tel

1552
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:09,240
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1553
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:12,759
Speaker 1: We've emerged on t public dot com slash the bytel

1554
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Speaker 1: Cast and you know this, this basketball season, I have

1555
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 1: some love to love, love and basketball. There's room for

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01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 1: a boat. I can't top that. Thank you, Bye bye