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Speaker 1: We welcome to everybody to a Monday edition of Texans

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Speaker 1: All Access from the Honday Texans Radio Studio. I am

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Speaker 1: your host, John Harris, Football Elson's Sad Lauber reporter, fresh

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Speaker 1: off of one of the best games I have seen

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. And I mean that sort of

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Speaker 1: tongue in cheek. It's one of the best football games

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Speaker 1: I've seen. I called the same Houston State and Southeast

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Speaker 1: Louisiana game on Saturday night. Man, what a game, forty

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Speaker 1: three thirty eight in sam Houston State. And Stephen F.

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Speaker 1: Austin gonna be joining the whack in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: We talked to Casey Keeler last week about it. Boy,

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Speaker 1: it's really really a fun ball game to do. And

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Speaker 1: Mark Vandermer, who joins me now the voice of the Texans,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what spring football is pretty darn cool man.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, my friend, I'm doing great, Johnny. Let

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Speaker 1: me ask you this should maybe Division two, Division three,

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Speaker 1: NAIA or even FCS as a whole think about spring.

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Speaker 1: I know they make a lot of money play these

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Speaker 1: FBS schools in the fall, big checks and everything, but

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Speaker 1: I still think there's room for some of these leagues,

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Speaker 1: not the IVY because of the tradition, but the Patriot

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Speaker 1: League or somebody to maybe think about playing in the spring,

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Speaker 1: because you'd be the only thing on TV. I know

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Speaker 1: the XFL will start backup eventually with the COVID vaccine

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Speaker 1: taking hold, but what are your thoughts on that. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's a bad thing. In fact, the whole

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Speaker 1: time I was driving up to Huntsville for the game,

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Speaker 1: I was like, man, it's February. It kept telling myself

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Speaker 1: of February. I'm going up for a football game. And

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Speaker 1: there was a good crowd. They had just finished a

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Speaker 1: Sam Houston UTSA baseball game at my bud Stadium, Don

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Speaker 1: Sanders Stadium, right there on the campus. And I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: this is wow because they have a weekend of basketball,

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Speaker 1: baseball and football. And I was told no, that they

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have that, but I was like, this is kind

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Speaker 1: of cool. You know, you don't have you know, football,

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Speaker 1: But it was a really good crowd and it was interest.

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Speaker 1: It's just a really really good football game all the

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Speaker 1: way around. But here's the one thing that I here's

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Speaker 1: the one reason I don't think it would happen. Mark

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Speaker 1: and that has two coaches. Here's what I mean. Talking

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Speaker 1: to Casey for a production meeting during the week, he

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Speaker 1: said he lost two coaches, his old line and his

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Speaker 1: and those schools were now looking for coaches, they went

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Speaker 1: to Sam, saw two coaches they wanted, brought them in January,

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, Casey scrambling defining coaches and

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Speaker 1: I should say scrambling, but he's now having to look

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Speaker 1: He was kind of prepping a couple of guys in

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Speaker 1: preparation for it. But still, I think that's a really

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Speaker 1: tough one for FCS teams. Not only do you lose

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Speaker 1: those those checks against the the FBS schools, you might

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Speaker 1: start look around going, man, what do I do? Casey

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Speaker 1: figured it out. He was able to find a couple

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Speaker 1: But I think that would be a bigger issue across

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Speaker 1: the board for FCS teams losing coaches to FBS schools

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Speaker 1: after recruiting period, after bowl games, after championship, etc. And

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Speaker 1: that could be more of an issue than it turned out.

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Speaker 1: And I think Casey handled it perfectly. They had, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, four or five weeks kind of get everybody

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Speaker 1: it was It was great. It was a great Saturday

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Speaker 1: to call that game during the during the spring. And

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Speaker 1: I'd be curious to see what our buddy Cecil Shorts

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Speaker 1: around the league. But Mark, we gotta starts a lot.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of news that came down on Monday,

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Speaker 1: Texans released the following player. And I stressed the word

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Speaker 1: news because I think all along we've thought about him,

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Speaker 1: just not knowing exactly what role it's gonna be. But

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Speaker 1: We don't know that for sure, but we just know

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Speaker 1: Is that really gonna happen? Is it not gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's the stuff people really want to see, Johnny.

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Speaker 1: Let's see those hard knocks moments interviews with head coaching

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Speaker 1: So yeah, McCown being released as a player is news.

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Speaker 1: Texans lowering that salary cap hit, if you will, in Toto.

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Speaker 1: So what you have here is much more room than

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Speaker 1: Let's see what happens. Yeah, no doubt, you're right. David

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Speaker 1: great because you need value on the defensive line. That's cool.

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Speaker 1: I like Pharrell Brown. We'd have a really nice visit

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Speaker 1: he caught the TV against Cleveland, a bad game of

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Speaker 1: much in its original state other than a few expansions

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Speaker 1: over the years. But what was that, what was that

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Speaker 1: like visiting that with Miss Jacqueline Bostick. That was interesting. Um,

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Speaker 1: I knew I've heard of the church. It's a big church,

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Speaker 1: but to know that jack Yates and his friends and

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Speaker 1: family built that from the ground up and that it's

435
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Speaker 1: basically still in this original state is amazing to me.

436
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Speaker 1: I mean, the original pews were in there. Um, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of historic stained glass windows. Some of that

438
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 1: stuff was um still there from from the beginning. So

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00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: it's it's amazing. Um, just what history and what all

440
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Speaker 1: went into that church. And um, it's the people that

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Speaker 1: it's it's like a staple almost, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: It's a staple of of Houston and it stood there

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Speaker 1: through the test of time and h missus Boston talked

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Speaker 1: about how many businesses and people just wanted them to

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Speaker 1: move to like you said, education just wanted them to

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Speaker 1: put something else. There was a parking lot or building

447
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's rebotbody last that area, but it's it's

448
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Speaker 1: still the test of time. And UM, it was pretty

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Speaker 1: cool just to sit to her and learn more about

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Speaker 1: Jackieyates because I heard about Jacky's High School. It's really

451
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Speaker 1: good thing. That's where George Floyd went to high school.

452
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: George Floyd went there, so you heard about it. But

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Speaker 1: to understand more history coming from his is a great granddaughter,

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Speaker 1: great granddaughter, right, yeah, seven generations that's in that church,

455
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Speaker 1: which was that's depressive and it shows it goes back

456
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Speaker 1: to really and one thing I think I took it

457
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Speaker 1: from that first day is really embracing and knowing and

458
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Speaker 1: cherishing your history and being proud of it. Right. And

459
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Speaker 1: I don't know if today we all are really proud

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Speaker 1: of our history as we should be, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: let's learn about it, let's take it in, let's teach

462
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Speaker 1: our kids about it so we can pass along like, hey,

463
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Speaker 1: your great grandfather did this, or we owned this home,

464
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Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. That's really important. I think

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Speaker 1: I learned that for the very first day. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think especially since African American history is so young,

467
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Speaker 1: because after because before slavery ended, there really wasn't anything

468
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Speaker 1: to preserve. There wasn't really landownership or businesses or anything

469
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Speaker 1: to say that this was our own. But as soon

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Speaker 1: as you know, desegregation began, you know, after the eighteen sixties,

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Speaker 1: like the first churches and the first houses. The fact

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Speaker 1: that those are still standing that's so powerful because you

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Speaker 1: knew exactly what you know. You can't, I mean you

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Speaker 1: you you've learned. You obviously never know or understand what

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Speaker 1: those early African Americans went through. And then all of

476
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Speaker 1: a sudden, they're building houses and they're building churches, and

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Speaker 1: they're building the community from the ground up. I just

478
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: thought it was it was so powerful. We've got those

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00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: videos up on Houston Texans dot com. All right, So

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Speaker 1: then day two we switched gears. We had two really

481
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Speaker 1: fun guests. I didn't know they were going to be

482
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Speaker 1: as fun as they were, but Harris County Precinct one

483
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Speaker 1: Commissioner Rodney Ellis and then the Houston Urban League President

484
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Speaker 1: and CEO, Judson Robinson. They were talking about the civil

485
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Speaker 1: rights movement in Houston, and they were really good friends.

486
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Speaker 1: So they were telling stories and and you know, to

487
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Speaker 1: hear from two guys that were part of decent we're

488
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Speaker 1: around when desegregation in Houston happened, which I had learned

489
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Speaker 1: over the past month or so that desegregation in Houston

490
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: was very different from how it happened in Birmingham, Alabama.

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Speaker 1: Were using the water hoses and the police and the

492
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Speaker 1: fire It kind of happened behind closed door. It happened

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Speaker 1: in a day. There was a lot of TSU, the

494
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Speaker 1: student sit ins, and then there were some leaders of

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Speaker 1: the African American community that met with business owners and said, hey,

496
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Speaker 1: you know, you don't want negative publicity. Let's let's try

497
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Speaker 1: to come to an agreement. Let's let's desegregate. Let's let's

498
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Speaker 1: try to integrate this city because we've got NASA, we

499
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Speaker 1: want to get a professional sports team. You know, the

500
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: only way to make these things happen is to not

501
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: put that perception out there that Houston's a violent place

502
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: to be or a violent place to live. So let's

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Speaker 1: do it peacefully. Um And I thought, I thought that

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Speaker 1: was that was a really fun hour. I mean, what

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Speaker 1: did you take away from from those two? Well, those

506
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Speaker 1: two are fun, Like you said, they you can tell

507
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Speaker 1: they're good friends, and they talked often because they which

508
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: is once you got commission to LSU asked the one

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Speaker 1: question I went through our whole tell of us for

510
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Speaker 1: the hour, Like in the first twenty minute, I was like, Okay, well, um,

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Speaker 1: I guess I should just let you just lead this

512
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Speaker 1: because you seem to have a lot of you have

513
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Speaker 1: so much knowledge here yes, and they were going back

514
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Speaker 1: and forth and you probably remember and he was talking

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Speaker 1: about his dad, Um Commissioner, I was talking about mister

516
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Speaker 1: Robinson's dad. I thought that was really interesting. But the piggyback,

517
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Speaker 1: what if you were saying how they desegregated and how

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Speaker 1: they I think I think Reverend last And caught it,

519
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: the three Amigos, him and two other different races, different religions,

520
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: how they came together and said let's do this behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes so it was no media involved. Similar what

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Speaker 1: you said in Burmaham where you're seeing the dogs and

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Speaker 1: the and the hoses and everything else. They did a

524
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Speaker 1: really good job of coming together and being able to

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Speaker 1: unite together. And I think today that still stands when

526
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Speaker 1: every where we go through a tough time. In Houston,

527
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Speaker 1: sometimes we always some way, we always come together, you

528
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean, No matter what is, if it's

529
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Speaker 1: a hurricane, if it's a winter storm, it comes together.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's just it makes sense, it kind of correlates. Okay,

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Speaker 1: they did this back then and it still goes on today.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was that was pretty cool. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: makes you kind of proud to live in Houston. I

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Speaker 1: as you're right. I mean, I think after Hurricane Harvey.

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Speaker 1: I just remember we were traveling with the team and

536
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Speaker 1: we got Daver to Dallas because we're coming from a

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Speaker 1: Saints preseason game, and I just remember watching the news

538
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: and seeing like all these different people in Houston, black, white, Hispanic, Asian,

539
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: everyone helping each other, and you know, no one really

540
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: cared what race anyone else wasn't And there were these

541
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Speaker 1: huge long lines like at the food bank and all

542
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Speaker 1: these other places, not to get food, but to volunteer,

543
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: like they had so many people that wanted to give

544
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Speaker 1: back and wanted to volunteer, Like you know, I just

545
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,959
Speaker 1: thought that made that made national news aside from the storm,

546
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: the Houstonians and how everyone people were getting in their

547
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Speaker 1: boats and saving people out of their houses, their pets

548
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: and their family members. It just so powerful, and I

549
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: think that it kind of came full circle when you

550
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: learn about how how Houston began. All right, So Day three,

551
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: which I mean I shouldn't say I had a favorite day, Cecil,

552
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: but I think Day three was my favorite day because

553
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: it was I think the most days were heavy, and

554
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: I felt very nervous. I was telling I was like,

555
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: I was so nervous doing this, but by day three

556
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: I felt like, all right, we have two hundred belt.

557
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: In the third day was was called four of the Culture,

558
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: So it was African Americans and they're, you know, the

559
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,479
Speaker 1: dent that they made, the mark that they made in

560
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Speaker 1: an arts, culture, entrepreneurship, music. So we had some really

561
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: cool guests. We had Texas Radio Hall of Fame broadcaster

562
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Speaker 1: Ralph Cooper who had been covering sports since the late sixties,

563
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Speaker 1: Bunby Rapper, professor at Rice, you know, entrepreneur himself, and

564
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: then Chris Chris Williams, the owner of Lucille's Restaurant, which

565
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: if you haven't been to it, and it's in the

566
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Speaker 1: Museum District, it's a Candas Maybury calls it bougie soul food,

567
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: and I would agree with her because it's it's a

568
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Speaker 1: really nice restaurant and then they serve like some amazing,

569
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Speaker 1: amazing food, so you have to check it out. And

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00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: they were nice enough to provide lunches and meals for

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Speaker 1: everyone during this winter storm. I don't know, I forget

572
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Speaker 1: how many meals, he said, like in the thousands of

573
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Speaker 1: meals that they provided to people that you need to

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Speaker 1: I want to say fifteen hundred, and then they also

575
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: provided lunches for the Texans employees, just sort of put

576
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: a bow on on the Black History Month initiative. But

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Speaker 1: what did you think of Day three? Just having being

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Speaker 1: able to interview those three and then all three of

579
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Speaker 1: them together at the end there, Well, I was just

580
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: excited to interview Bumby and I mean too same that

581
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: was that was pretty cool and I mean it's just

582
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: um and to learn more about him. You know, he's

583
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: not necessarily from Houston, but I believe port Arthur of

584
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: not mistaken about how he cares about Houston and wanted to.

585
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: He moved here to you know, help his career and

586
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: it obviously worked well. But to hear the knowledge that

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00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: he had outside of music, right and Alge you knew

588
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: about the community, about getting them back to the community,

589
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: about um, you know, supporting black owned businesses and how

590
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: music is really helps people get through different things and

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00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: how people are using their platforms. And then mister Cooper

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Speaker 1: Man he was probably my favorite, to be honest, just

593
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: because you know, we're in sports. But yeah, his knowledge

594
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: and recognition, like his memory of knowing or remembering so

595
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: many different heirs and so many different moments in Houston

596
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: sports was amazing to me. He's my Earl Campbell playing

597
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: linebacker in high school, high school, and I'm like, what

598
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: he saw Kobe Bryant as a kid because Kobe Bryant's

599
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: dad played for the Rockets. Rockets. He was like, yeah,

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00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: he was this little kid, Like I mean, he's just

601
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: been around and he's seen a lot of different players

602
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Speaker 1: over the years, and that's that I think. So I

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Speaker 1: think talking to him was awesome. And then uh, Chris

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Speaker 1: talking about his initiative because I believe he was feasting

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Speaker 1: on the ABC, uh the Good Morning American, Good Morning American,

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00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: Good Morning America. Excuse me for his initiative and what

607
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: they're doing there and how he's um, you know, he

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Speaker 1: got he got in depth about how it's important to

609
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Speaker 1: support black owned businesses and how it's important to uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, be be your own boss, be be a

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Speaker 1: business owner. So I thought it was cool, different perspectives.

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Speaker 1: And then we talked about it off camera. When they

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Speaker 1: got together and all three of them were talking, you

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Speaker 1: were giving a Q and they it was amazing. They

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00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: they could have talked for hours. They had so much

616
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: mutual respect for each other and Ralph Cooper kept making

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Speaker 1: fun of bun eating at the Seals. He's like, well,

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Speaker 1: I know that you've been to Turkey leg Hut and

619
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Speaker 1: I was just like, he's calling Bunby fat? Is he calling?

620
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Speaker 1: But it was so funny. I'm like, this is always.

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Speaker 1: I'm like they got to be free or they were,

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Speaker 1: and they were. Chris and Bunn were so in awe

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Speaker 1: of Ralph Cooper like they were like he needs to

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00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: be preserved as a relic of Houston because the knowledge

625
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: and like you said, everything he's seen because obviously, um,

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Speaker 1: I don't know as much about Chris Williams, but we

627
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: know Bunby's a fantom of sports. But it seems like

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Speaker 1: Chris was as well. I was lucky as an employee

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Speaker 1: of the team to be able to hear those conversations

630
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Speaker 1: this week led by Deep end of Cecil. That was very,

631
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Speaker 1: very cool and there's more of it over at Deep

632
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Speaker 1: Slant the podcast where you can get in the lab

633
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: Venomer's view and Deep He's Deep Slant. You can hear

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00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: that full interview with our good path Cecil Shorts. All right,

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Speaker 1: Mark told come back and we're reaction and go around

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Next on Texans All Access since All Axis

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Speaker 1: Since All Axis one. Final segment of this edition of

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Speaker 1: Texans All Access on the Monday evening from Nunday Texans

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Speaker 1: Radio Studio. I'm your host John Harris alongside Mark Van

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Speaker 1: around the league and you know where I'm going to start. Yes,

642
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: the NFL is gonna have seventeen games. No, I'm kidding.

643
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: Number ninety nine is going out to Arizona. Your gut reaction. Well,

644
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: when I first heard it, I was surprised, to be

645
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: honest with you. I know that this was floated out

646
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: there relatively early on in the what free agency period,

647
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: a few weeks of what free agency? Yeah, but when

648
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: I've heard that this was the destination and he was

649
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: the one who broke the story source and he's wearing

650
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: the Arizona shirt, lifting weights whatever, I was a little surprised, Johnny,

651
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: because I figured he was gonna go ring chasing. To me,

652
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: this is not ring chasing. This is you possibly could

653
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: get it done in Arizona. Look up and coming team,

654
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: young quarterback entering year three. They have Hopkins. Obviously they've

655
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: got some assets. No doubt about it and what does

656
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: make that defense better? But is that the difference now?

657
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: I know it's still early in the offseason. We haven't

658
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: even had free agency yet, they haven't drafted yet. Maybe

659
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: Arizona's got other things up their sleeve. Maybe it's gonna

660
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: be tremendous for them, and maybe they sold him on

661
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: whatever their plan is. But on paper right now, there's

662
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: no way I would favor them to win a super Bowl, obviously,

663
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: and I don't think i'd put him in the top

664
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, top six of teams that have the

665
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: best shot to win a super Bowl. But whatever makes

666
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 1: them happy, I think he'll be happy in Phoenix. It's

667
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: a great place to live. I'm sure he's probably taught

668
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: to hop about it, you know, when he was shopping around,

669
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: and maybe JJ likes it warm. You know, maybe he's thinking,

670
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,959
Speaker 1: I like it warm. I like Houston, Phoenix. You know

671
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,959
Speaker 1: it's a little it's a dry heat. I'm gonna go

672
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: there and enjoy my winter. I don't know, and enjoy

673
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: the money. I mean, it's good money, Johnny. Yes. What

674
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: I want to know is what he turned down. Did

675
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: the packers offer you know something? Was it a lot

676
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: less you know, Look, I can't. Obviously, it's JJ's decision

677
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: and he's gonna do what he's what's right for him

678
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: and his family. But if you really want to ring

679
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: to me, it's Green Bay or Tampa Bay. Those are

680
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: your best chances. Not that there's any guarantee, because we

681
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: all know, but people who tell me, oh, well, Mark

682
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: the Packers, the Packers went to pack the back NFC

683
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: championship games. They're one what sack away perhaps or a

684
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: sack fumble away from going to the super Bowl the

685
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: last couple of years. You could be the difference there.

686
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: I can probably paint that picture for you a lot

687
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: easier than I can in the desert. So that's my

688
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: gut reaction. Okay, gut reaction to this one. We've talked

689
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: about this a little bit, but there are some it's

690
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: now starting to kind of come into view, and that

691
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: is the seventeenth game. Peter King, through his Some Money

692
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: Morning Quarterback Pro Football in America Morning Morning, an America article,

693
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: whatever it is now anyways, he stated that the seventeenth

694
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: game would be a matchup based on your standings in

695
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: the division, and for twenty twenty one would be the

696
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: AFC South in the NFC South. So essentially it would

697
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: be who you matched up within twenty nineteen based on that,

698
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 1: and that would be the Carolina Panthers, and that game

699
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: in all seventeenth games of that ILK would take place

700
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: in AFC Stadium, So the Texans would get, apparently in

701
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, a ninth home game for the first

702
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: time ever. Your gut reaction to that, well, that means

703
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: you get three three preseason games no matter what, and

704
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: you get one home preseason game and two road games.

705
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: So the NFC will get the two home preseason games

706
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 1: and then they'll flip the following year. Now, King wrote

707
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: something about Watson rumors. I think it was a week before,

708
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: maybe two weeks before, and he mentioned Carolina and he said,

709
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: the Texans don't play Carolina next year. I want to say,

710
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: wait a minute, they do play Carolina, because I knew

711
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: about the seventeenth game, and I knew all about we

712
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: talked about this that it would be Carolina because we

713
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: knew this was coming down. So I think that, look,

714
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: it's a team that you really don't know much about

715
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: yet because they're gonna reshape the way they are heading

716
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: into twenty twenty one, just as the Texans are. So

717
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: we don't know what to make of that part of it,

718
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: but I like seventeen games. I kind of wish they

719
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: were double buys. The super Bowl is gonna be played

720
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: a week later, so I believe it runs into that

721
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 1: President's Day weekend. Right now, You're gonna get the national

722
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: holiday on Monday to go along with Super Bowl Sunday.

723
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a party, probably better TV ratings than ever.

724
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: And President's Day is one of those holidays where some

725
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: people take it off, some people don't. But at least

726
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: you have that option. The season's gonna be longer, why not.

727
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: The NFL is gonna own everything, And did you see this?

728
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: They're thinking of two games on Christmas Day, which means, look,

729
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: I feel bad for the NBA. You know they owned

730
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: Christmas Day. And now if Christmas Day falls on a weekend,

731
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: the NFL is saying, we got this take a back

732
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,959
Speaker 1: seat because it's gonna be all NFL all the time.

733
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: And why not. I mean, the lead's crushing everything in

734
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: its path. Yep. It's the only thing that gets huge

735
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: numbers on television consistently anymore. Look, the Golden Globes last

736
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: night with no lead in from an NFL playoff game.

737
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: It happened a little bit later an extreaming format or

738
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: however they did, it got killed in the ratings. The

739
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: NFL dominates everything, and why not? So let's have seventeen games. Yes, Okay,

740
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: So now I'm gonna get you better reaction to this

741
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: one because I've heard this, this rumor has been out

742
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: there Peter King. Then after readings, I saw this part

743
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: that he wrote about what's your gut reaction to a

744
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: Monday night Wild Card round playoff game? I'm fine with it.

745
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: Remember that the Saturday game, and the Texans are very

746
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: familiar with that Saturday Wildcard weekend game right after a

747
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: Sunday game. That's a short week. So if you're playing

748
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: on Monday night and then you're guaranteed if you win,

749
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: to play Sunday the following week, that's fine. And you

750
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: know what huge numbers and the college football National Championship

751
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: will be the week before, so you don't step on that.

752
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: I think that was a big deal for them. They

753
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: didn't want to go head to head with that, and

754
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: for some reason they can't talk to the college football

755
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 1: people about, Hey, you want to play on Tuesday, We'll

756
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: play on Monday. They just didn't want to do that.

757
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: Because college football, you can play any number of days.

758
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: Because they're out of class and they're seasons over, it

759
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. They don't have next week, right, So I

760
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,479
Speaker 1: think this is gonna be great. This is gonna be great.

761
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: I did like the triple headers, though. I really did

762
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: enjoy that Johnny triple header, Saturday, tripleheader Sunday. Now you're

763
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: gonna have doubleheader Saturday, tripleheader Sunday and one Monday night

764
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: game or however they decided to set it up. Here's

765
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: what I realized. I like the triple header, but by

766
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: game three, I was like, oh, you're done. I'm gass man.

767
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you're just watching football, but you know,

768
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: really being focused in for three straight games. I'm like,

769
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 1: you know what, it's got my focus after two games,

770
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: and move that on a Monday night and then I'll

771
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: be able to watch it and get my focus back

772
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: from Monday night. But yeah, I don't I don't have

773
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: a problem with I'm with you. Once you get to

774
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: that part of the season. Guys, they're not banging pads

775
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: in practice. It's really a mental exercise. At that point

776
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: of just getting the game plan in, you know, staying fresh,

777
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: keeping the likes fresh and all that kind of stuff.

778
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: And yes, it is one less day, but you get

779
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: an extra day preparing for it. You just lose an

780
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: extra day on the other side, or lose all day

781
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: on the other side. I don't mind it. I would

782
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 1: much rather have playoff games on Saturday, Sunday, Monday following

783
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: the National champion I mean, how great is that You

784
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: end the regular season and the next day is the

785
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: National Championship game. The next week you've got playoff football

786
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 1: and that extends to money, my goodness. I mean that's

787
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: the fast standing East. And what people don't understand why

788
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: a lot of our listeners understand because they're really plugged in.

789
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: But the most popular sport in America is pro football.

790
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: The second most popular sport in America is college football.

791
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: That's how it is. I mean, that's a fact. The NBA,

792
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball, they are down. Okay, it's football and

793
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: then football professional and amateur. So you just gotta give

794
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: in to it and enjoy it. And that Monday night

795
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: playoff game is going to get guard antu and numbers

796
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 1: mark over the weekend a pioneer in some sense passed

797
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: away in the broadcasting world. The NFL Today on CBS

798
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: was one of the great not only pregame shows, but

799
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: just at that point. It was a groundbreaking at that

800
00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: point right as a pregame show. And IRV Cross, longtime

801
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: player in the NFL, passed away this weekend at eighty one.

802
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: And I bring that up, Mark, because we obviously are

803
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: both in broadcasting. Not so much a gut reaction here,

804
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: but your thoughts on the person or people that really

805
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: were instrumental. And I bring it up because the NFL

806
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: Today was really when I was grown up, I remember

807
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: watching that group. I remember watching IRV Cross and thinking, yeah, man,

808
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: maybe one day that would be fun to do, to

809
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: do broadcasting. What person or people was it for you?

810
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: And after seer of Cross News, what were your thoughts

811
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: to me? It's Dick Stockton, Oh good, CBS NBA crew

812
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: doing those NBA Finals of the eighties, those epic finals.

813
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: And yes, you know you've got Larry Bird and Magic Johnson.

814
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: You had Larry Bird and the Kima La Juan. You

815
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: had Dick Stockton doing a play by play and he

816
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: still sounds really good. Look, it might not be exactly

817
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: the same content, but he still has that voice, those pipes.

818
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: But erv cross that NFL Today crew. Look, Johnny, I

819
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: don't even remember the NBC crew of the seventies. Forget it.

820
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: In the eighties, I think it was Lent Berman and

821
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: I forget you know, Bob Costas eventually in the booth

822
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: in the studio for NBC. But Brent Musburger, you are

823
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: looking live and better in the stadium in Philadelphia. I

824
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: mean I got chills. They set it up so beautifully

825
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: and they had the perfect crew with IRV and Phyllis

826
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: George and Jimmy the Greek. It was epic stuff and

827
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: many of us just started our football baptism with them.

828
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: And that's why this one hit us hard. Yeah, that

829
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: exactly Jimmy the Greek talking about point spreads. I mean

830
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: it wore a time way way way before his time,

831
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. And Mark, we are out of time.

832
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: I appreciate you for joining me. Thank you very much.

833
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: A big thanks to Cecil Shorts and dpcity to all

834
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: of you for listen. Thank you so much, and as always,

835
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Speaker 1: go Texans US