WEBVTT - Scottie Barnes is Just Built Different 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:02.880 You're tuned into Heat Check with Trista Quick. 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:08.039 On this episode of The Heat Check, we have a 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:12.160 special guest on the show today, James Herbert of CBS Sports. 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:14.560 James has been a feature writer for a very long 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:17.560 time was kind enough to carve out an entire hour 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.320 where we delve into the process of writing about the league, 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:23.280 how he chooses his subjects, and what he learned from 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:26.840 profiling such under the radar stars such as Jose Alvarado, 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:31.479 Scottie Barnes, the superstars like Shay Gilgus Alexander and Pascal Siaka. 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:35.080 It was a fascinating conversation. I learned a ton can't 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:36.880 wait to get into it. So do me a favor, 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:47.880 my man, drop that beat first and foremost. Again, thanks 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:52.560 for coming on the show. I think you've got one 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:58.000 of the funniest feeds on Twitter. Thank you, one of 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:00.920 the most. It's a cool feed, right, It's got all 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:03.560 this stuff. I try to keep up on it, even 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:05.600 some things that make it on your feet. I'm like, 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:08.199 oh man, I haven't seen that before. I think NBA 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:10.600 Twitter is the best part of Twitter, you know, one 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:12.800 of the best at least. What do you think happens 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:14.760 to that community. If tour goes. 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:17.720 Away, I'm terrified. I have no idea. 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.000 I don't know where I'm going to go and talk 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:24.520 about basketball with people who I don't like know personally. 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:27.480 I mean, I've got like group text, I think like 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:30.000 everybody's got I got my work Slack and some other 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:30.600 stuff like that. 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:31.240 But like, I don't know. 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:34.119 I don't want to be on like NBA readit all day, 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:35.200 but maybe I'll have it to be. 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:36.920 Maybe I'll have to learn how to use Discord. 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.639 I have no idea. I never even installed the app. 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:43.920 I'm honestly like, I'm not sure. Like I was watching 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:46.520 last night, everybody was talking about I mean, I was 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:48.760 watching games, and then I was also listening to one 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:51.400 of those Twitter spaces. She had like twenty thousand people 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:55.000 on it talking about what might happen generally, people talking 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.240 about moving to Masdon and all of this stuff. That's 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:00.559 another thing I've I've yet to try. And I'm just thinking, 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:03.000 like if that's if this is the end, that it sucks, because, 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:06.840 like I mean, a lot of my professional opportunities have 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:08.640 come directly because of Twitter. 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:10.880 I met my wife on NBA Twitter. Like that's why 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:11.720 I live in Brooklyn. 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:14.680 That's why I'm here, Like yeah, like no, fuck, this 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.680 is like yeah, like so I don't. I mean, on 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.320 the one hand, like, well, at least like Twitter was 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:22.720 around and so that could happen, so maybe it served 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:23.480 its purpose for me. 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:25.880 Even on the other hand, like this actually is meaningful 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:26.680 to me. No, it's stupid. 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:29.160 I'm mostly just saying dumb stuff and making jokes and whatever, 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:31.160 but like it is like genuinely been a huge part 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:32.040 of my adult life. 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.919 I think I have a love hate relationship with Twitter 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:37.919 because so much of it is toxic. But then when 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:41.520 you realize it could just go away completely, you're like, well, 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:43.600 where am I going to make fun of Lebron like 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.840 for lying, Like where are the memes gonna go? I 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:50.000 wonder if we're all sort of feeling that that. I 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.200 guess it's like a pre loss. You know, we haven't 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.079 lost it yet, but we kind of feel like we're 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.680 going to, and we're not really sure how we're going 0:02:56.760 --> 0:03:00.360 to connect if it does go away. One of my 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:04.600 favorite feature writers in the NBA, how do you how 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:08.880 do you go about picking a subject? Like could you 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:12.320 share some shed some light on your process of how 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:13.240 you write a story? 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:14.720 Sure. 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:17.160 I mean part of it is just like if there's 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:22.320 a player I find interesting for whatever reason, and I 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:24.240 feel like there's a story to be told that's like 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:26.040 a little bit different, or I haven't maybe I just 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:28.640 don't know that much about the guy, or maybe I 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:30.960 know some things I'm curious about other things, Like I'll 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:34.040 then go and start researching and seeing what other people 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:35.760 have written and saying like is there something I can 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:38.200 add to this? Is there something that I don't know? 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:41.320 Then I'll try to pursue it. A lot of times, 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.760 it's not much more complicated than like I like watching 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.760 this player, and I think I could do a feature 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:50.040 on him. Well, Like the most recent one I did 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:54.080 was Jose Alvarado, and like last year, I think, like 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:57.280 a lot of people, I didn't really know anything about 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:59.920 him when he first like got in the Pelicans rotation, 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:01.400 and like when I first saw his name, like he 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:03.480 wasn't somebody I was paying attention to before the draft 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:06.720 he went undrafted, but I saw him play I was like, well, 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:10.600 this guy, like he plays so freaking hard, Like he 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:13.520 is really fun to watch. And then as the season 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:15.640 went on, it was like, all right, like this guy 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:18.720 is a super fan favorite. He seems like he has 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:22.800 an awesome personality, he like clearly has a cool story, 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:23.440 and I was. 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:25.960 Like, I'm I'm definitely profiling him one day, like I 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:27.240 just kind of like said that to myself. 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:30.279 It didn't end up happening last year, but like the 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.520 Pelicans were like literally the first game on the regular 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.360 season schedule here in Brooklyn, and I knew. I was like, 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:38.119 I'm gonna request him and try to make it happen 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:42.920 and then I'll go from there. And that was that 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:44.520 was like sort of a passion project. 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:45.320 Like nobody, like I. 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.880 Didn't have an editor assigning me a Jose Alvarado story, 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.400 but like I just wanted to write about Jose Alverado 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.280 because I like watching him play and I thought there 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:57.239 was something to be done there. Other times, it could 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:01.279 just be that like I've watched and I've noticed something 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:03.880 about their game that is interesting, and like they've been 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:05.760 written about one way, and I thought, and I think 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:07.960 I got add to it by focusing on something different or. 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:09.240 Like whatever it is. 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:12.520 There's a lot of ways you can like start, but 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:14.000 I think you like it has to start from a 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:18.359 place of like genuine curiosity and it has to start 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:21.760 from a place of like I want to do this, like. 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:25.279 I want because if you're going to like do one. 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.800 Of these and write like a fairly long one rather 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.920 than just like just like bust out a column or whatever, 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:33.279 which like I do as well. But if I'm going 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:35.880 to invest the time to do a profile, like I 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:38.240 want to actually find this person interesting. I don't want 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:39.919 it to feel like it's a slog and I'm just 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:41.680 doing it because it's my job. 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:44.479 Like, these things are hard, some of them. 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:46.960 Like last year, I wrote a story that went up 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.320 like right at the end of the regular season on 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.120 Scottie Barnes and the first interview I did was like 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.920 the first week of the season and it just it. 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:56.360 I didn't think it was going to take that long, 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.080 but that just kind of happened. And sometimes it is 0:05:58.080 --> 0:05:59.480 like sometimes it's literal months. 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.840 How come is it just because you have to it 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:05.400 takes you down a direction. Then you have to find 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:09.080 sort of people who would you know, help shed light 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:12.920 on the thing that you're delving into, like for example, 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:17.240 with Alvarado, you had to speak with Fred van Fleet 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.800 Or is that the reason why or why does the 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:22.400 writing process take so long? 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:23.880 Yeah? 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.080 Well, part of it is probably on me and probably 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:26.880 shouldn't take that. 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:28.960 Long in some of these instances where it's taking you 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:34.560 like months and months. But yeah, usually it's related to access. 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.880 Usually it's related to like I don't think I can 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.440 tell this story properly without getting like maybe a follow 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:44.040 up interview with the player, or maybe it's an old 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.080 coach or something that I haven't talked to you yet, 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:47.960 or a teammate that I want to get when the 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:49.400 team comes back to town. 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:50.479 Or whatever it is. 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:53.520 But usually, yeah, usually it's just like I have like 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:55.960 I'll start transcribing my stuff and look at what I 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.760 got and try to outline it, and I'm like I'm 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:00.520 almost there, but like I need a little bit more. 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:04.400 And then the other part of it is sometimes it's 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:06.160 just I'm working on multiple. 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.240 Things at the same time, and I'm. 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:11.600 Busy with other stuff, and like the like not super urgent, 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:14.560 not super time time sensitive profile is the thing that 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.000 ends up getting pushed back because if I have to 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.680 like go to a i don't know, like go to 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.760 a NETS practice and write about the latest Kyrie incident, 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.160 then like that's what I'll do that day instead of 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.320 like making a phone call about hose Alvarado or whatever. 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:31.720 Right, Well, I wanted to kind of mention some of 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:35.400 the the articles you wrote that I wanted to hear 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.680 a little bit more about. You mentioned the Scottie Barnes 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:42.600 article and that was published on April eighth, before he 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:44.960 won Rookie of the Year, and you said, you know, 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.160 you started working on it the first week this season. 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:55.040 What did you find interesting about him? And what did 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:57.760 you find interesting or memorable that didn't make the piece? 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:01.640 Mm hmm, like every thing is my first answer. Like, 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.160 I was captivated by Scotty Barnes. I was interested in 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.640 him before the draft because I read a few like 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:09.080 that was the other thing was like it was sort 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.440 of intimidating working on that one. So one of the 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:13.520 reasons that took a while was I had all these 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:16.680 like great long form Scotty Barnes profiles that like I 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:18.240 was competing with, Like, if I was going to put 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.880 something out there, I had to have some stuff that 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:24.280 wasn't in the other ones. But I read those stories 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.080 and I was like, this kid is not like a 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:30.280 normal you know, depending on when they were written, eighteen 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:31.960 year old, nineteen year old, whatever, it. 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:33.880 Was kid like he. 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.920 Was a guy that was talking about like being a 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:41.079 Magic Johnson fan. He was a guy who, I mean, 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:44.040 he was picked forth in the draft, but was coming 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.520 off the bench for most of the season at Florida 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.880 State and was like happy with it and not complaining 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:54.480 about it. He was a guy that oftentimes when people 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:59.080 were kind of trying to explain why he was viewed 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.120 so highly spite these like supposed flaws in his game, 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:06.079 like why, Okay, this guy is not necessarily a one 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:08.600 on one scorer, yet based on what he's done in college, 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.040 he's not necessarily ever going to be like a go 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.720 to guy and whatever this is like to be clear 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:15.559 the scouting reports at the time. I think he showed 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:17.280 more of that in the NBA, but at the time 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:21.040 it was like, but he is so good at everything else, 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:25.720 and people love him and he wants to make guys better, 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:28.440 and people just like you talk to him and you 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:30.360 believe in him. Like a lot of the reasons for 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:31.920 why people thought highly of him, a lot of the 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:35.960 reasons for why the Raptors were confident taking him and 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:39.400 taking him by the way when like they knew it 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:41.360 was going to be seen by a lot of people 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:45.640 as a huge risk as frankly the wrong pick. A 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:47.880 lot of people immediately said it was the wrong pick, 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:52.600 but they were betting on the upside, and the upside 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:56.559 was based on, yeah, he's this like six seven six 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:59.680 eight guy with like a super long wing span, and 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.839 he's like really agile and skilled and all that. But 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:06.120 I think more than that, it was the person. It 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:09.960 was like, we think he has the super high ceiling 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.760 and we think he's likely to get there because of 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:17.720 who he is, and all of that was like just 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:22.480 a little bit different to me, and I just kind 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:24.680 of wanted to know more about him. I want to 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:28.720 know exactly what, you know, his old coaches had to 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:31.640 say about what he was like. He had an interesting 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:33.920 family story, which I didn't end up actually being that 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:38.760 big of a part of my story, but yeah, it 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.520 was kind of it was a combination. Sometimes I'm drawn 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.719 more to like the backstory and sometimes I'm drawn more 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:46.240 to like the way they play on the court. 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:47.240 But for me, it was both. 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:49.480 For him, like I remember watching when the preseason last 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.040 year and being like, every time he's on the court, 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.360 the raptors are more interesting to me, and every time 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:55.959 he goes to the bench, I'm a little. 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:57.960 Like like let's get Scottie back in there. 0:10:58.000 --> 0:10:59.880 Like part of that was I think he was new, 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.200 but part of that was like he is like a 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:03.920 really exciting player to watch. 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:07.840 I was just drawn to that guy, Like immediately, what did. 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:13.400 You find in your sort of story search process that 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:19.240 you found even more interesting than what you had originally thought. 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:26.560 I think with Scotty he had this combination of I 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:31.480 put this like he doesn't come off as arrogant, like 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:35.520 he he talks a lot about you know, what's best 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:37.000 for the team, just want to do with the coach 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.480 asks them. Like even in my research, I remember finding 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:41.600 like a game winner he had hit at Florida State, 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:44.199 and he like basically didn't want to give himself any 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:48.520 credit for making the game winner. While at the same time, 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:50.160 like if you talk to people around him and even 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:53.120 if you ask him like like direct questions about his 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:56.000 own game, Like he has this belief in himself and 0:11:56.040 --> 0:12:01.920 this confidence that is like not it's it's not humble, 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:07.720 it's not it's like he believes that he belongs and 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:09.760 he always kind of has and I think he's had 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:13.480 a vision for himself honestly since he was in high 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.199 school of like I'm going to get to the NBA, 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:17.560 and when I get there, I'm not going to be 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.840 just another NBA player. There's another story that came out 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.160 after mine that I was jealous of, where it was 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:26.360 like a list of his like affirmations and goals, and 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:27.800 like one of them was like, I want to be 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:30.040 the best player on the court at all times when 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:31.240 I'm on the court. Like one of them was like, 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.320 I want to end Rookie of the Year. And it's 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.760 like to step into his situation like that where even 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:39.400 though like what he's saying, like when he's asked about, 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.280 like you know, the team and his rookie season, he's like, I. 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:43.920 Just want to fit in. I want to make other 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:44.400 guys better. 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:46.520 I want everybody to be smiling and having fun and 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.400 all that. That's all true, but he also believes it 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.559 like doing it that way, like he can dominate a 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:56.280 game that way, and I think he he is a 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:59.240 guy that like, yes, the Raptors have had to like 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:02.920 work with him on like being more assertive and aggressive 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.600 and looking to score, because then if you're seen as 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:08.200 a huge threat scoring, like you can go do the 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:09.920 thing you actually want to do, which is pass the ball. 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:11.760 And rack up a bunch of assists and be a 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:15.640 point guard. But at the same time as them trying 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.040 to like make him be more aggressive that way. I 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:21.839 don't think that's this thing where he's like looking in 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.520 this situation kind of like I'm sure of himself. 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:27.160 Or intimidated or anything like that. 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:31.959 I think he truly has had a plan, and he's 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.680 like been pretty bold about following that plan and working 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.679 toward it, even like the way that he approached the 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:42.120 pre draft stuff like a year and a half ago, 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:46.760 where he like very clearly like wanted to show teams 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:49.199 that he could do a few things that were sort 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:51.439 of like seen as knocks on him and show teams like, 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:53.040 I've gotten better since the end of last year, and 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:54.560 you're going to see that if you get in the 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:55.000 gym with me. 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:56.800 And also like I have a. 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.720 Plan for these interviews where you're going to come out 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.560 of here like loving me and wanting to spend more 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:04.200 time with me, and you're gonna be texting me after 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:07.880 these interviews, and they were like executives were doing that. 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.280 Like I think it is who he is. It comes 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:12.720 very naturally to him. It's easy for him. But I 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.720 think also like he's very smart, and I think he 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.280 sees the big picture, and I think he is like, 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.120 you know, he kind of had a blueprint for what 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:25.560 he wanted to be from a pretty young age, and like, 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:27.360 I had absolutely no idea about any of that before 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:28.480 I started recording it.