1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon. This episode number one seventies seven 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,159 Speaker 1: and taking the show, Dan and I are debating the 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: October low. We're talking late October hunting plans, we discuss 7 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: analyzing specific buck tendencies, and we provide an overview of 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: the latest on c w D. All Right, welcome back 9 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: to another episode of the one. This isn't Wow, We're 10 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: gonna starting. We're just starting. I've said the Wild Podcast 11 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: so many times. Three. Welcome. That's the other show. This 12 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 1: is the Weird Hunt Podcast, brought to you by Sik 13 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: of Gear and thank goodness. Today it's just me and 14 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: Dan because obviously I'm not on my a game. Um, 15 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: but we are going to cover a lot of interesting 16 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: topics I think and I hope. UM. My thoughts were 17 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: that we try to cover as much as we can 18 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: related to what's happening right now and what's coming up 19 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: in the next week or two in our hunting seasons. 20 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: Because the last really since the hunting season has started, 21 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: we've had a guest on every week, so we really 22 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: haven't got to spend a lot of time diving into 23 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,199 Speaker 1: our own stuff. You know, we kind of briefly touched 24 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: on things in the beginning of each episode. So I thought, today, though, 25 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna have that time to dive into what we 26 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: are doing and how that might be able to apply 27 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: what you're doing in your own spots too. So I 28 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: want to cover a lot of different topics. I want 29 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: to talk about our mid October hunts and thoughts and plans. UM. 30 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: I want to move forward into the coming weeks and 31 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: think about the pre rut late October in the early November, 32 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: what we're gonna be doing. While we're gonna be doing it. UM, 33 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: I'll of course be talking about the latest of my 34 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: hunt for Holy Field. UM. I want to talk to 35 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: them about analyzing trail camera photos and passed encounters, planning 36 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: surgical strikes, all that kind of good stuff. And then, 37 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: of course, as we've promised for a few weeks now, UM, 38 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: I also want to spend some time reviewing my learnings 39 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: from the Michigan c w D symposium that we've been 40 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: promising for a while though. So so I think it's 41 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: gonna be a good one. It should be a fun 42 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: one to given this just me and Dan, and we 43 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: don't need to worry about going off the rails, you know, 44 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: that's kind of what we do when it's just me 45 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: and Dan. So I don't know, do you think that's 46 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: that's gonna work out all right, buddy, I think it's 47 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: gonna work out just fine. Perfect. Um. I want to 48 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: tell you something I accidentally when texting with a couple 49 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: of my buddies, couple my other hunting buddies. Um, for 50 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: some reason, we mentioned your other your podcast, the Nine 51 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: Finger Chronicles, and my phone auto corrected it, and it 52 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: sent it before I realized the mistake. And now that 53 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: the auto correction of your podcast is now what I 54 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: will be only calling your podcast by because it's just 55 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: perfect your podcast now. And as far as my buddies, 56 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: you know, Ross and Peter and Corey and josh Uh 57 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: and Andy, we all refer to your show as the 58 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: nine Ginger Chronicles. That's really how it auto corrected. Oh wow, 59 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: that's actually a decent name. That's pretty pretty appropriate, right right, right, 60 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: So what do you think, man? Would you consider switching it? 61 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: You know? Maybe, Um, I just got too much time 62 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: into this one. I can't. It's like it's like my 63 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: oldest daughter. Yeah, there's times I wish I could give 64 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: her back, but I you know, I got too much 65 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: money invested in her, so I got to write her out. Then. 66 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: I just think there's a lot of upside. You're in 67 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: a miss out on. There's so much potential. There's a 68 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: whole untapped market of redheads out there who really want 69 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: to connect with someone in that way. And I feel 70 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: like the charts when they see the Nine Ginger Chronicles 71 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: like you would you would capture the redhead market, no 72 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: questions asked. But what happens if people like mistake it 73 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: for hunting and it becomes about cooking like gingerbread, about 74 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: pastries and and that kind of stuff. That's why that's 75 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: what I don't want to happen. Do Do you have 76 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: a skill set there? No? I don't. Okay, Yeah, you're right. 77 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: I've heard you talk about how you cook venison for sure. 78 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: That's funny. So nine Ginger Chronicles. That's my update for 79 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: the Like, um, alright, what's new with you? Nothing? Man? Uh? 80 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: You know, you know, uh, family and work basically uh 81 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: for this Saturday rained the entire day um in in 82 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: eastern Iowa and southern Iowa. So I was actually a 83 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: photographer for a wedding. I do photography on the side 84 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: and uh so the entire day Saturday, uh, I was 85 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: gone from the family doing that. And then yesterday, right 86 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: the best cold front to come through Iowa the entire 87 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: you know, entire October um mid October. You know it's 88 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: one of those still catching these deer from a kind 89 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: of a somewhat consistent bed to feed pattern. Uh and 90 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: uh I was at home for it. So you know, 91 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: I was gone all day yesterday or on Saturday, and 92 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: then I um my, like it's just frustrating, right, And 93 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: I know there's so many guys out there that can 94 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: feel this frustration when you know it is the one 95 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: of the greatest days of the of the mid to 96 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: early uh part of the season, and you just can't 97 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: go out no matter what the conditions are, because the 98 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: wife is stressed with the kids or you know, other 99 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: stuff they're gonna be done, and and if you do 100 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: go hunting, it will result in an argument and you 101 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: just don't have the energy or want to deal with it. 102 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: And you know, we always talked about picking in your 103 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: battles and when it comes to our hunting addiction in relationships, 104 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: and I decided to not even fight that battle yesterday 105 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: and just hang out at home with the kids. So 106 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: uh so, yeah, that that sucks missing that front. And 107 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, yeah, as we're as you know, 108 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: but for listeners, we are recording this Monday of this week. 109 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: And um, this cold front that you just talked about, 110 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: it hit yesterday and it and still today and I 111 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: have heard from so many different people last night or 112 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: this morning having killed bucks across the country. Um, Lee 113 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: Lakowski just shot a giant um And Don Higgins, who 114 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: was our guest on episode, did you see this, Dan? Oh? Yeah, 115 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: I saw that. He one of the bucks that he 116 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: called out. Yeah, he he He killed the buck that 117 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: he said he was sure he was going to kill 118 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: when we talked on the podcast. Well he got it done. Yeah, 119 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: So that's crazy. The conditions were right for it, that's 120 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: for sure. You get this cold front in October and 121 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: high pressure and a little bit of rain or wind, 122 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: and it's it's a good time to be in the woods. 123 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: Like you said, I'll I'll tell you what that not 124 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: only are if you have a deer on your property. Um, 125 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: you know that are moving it. That would have been 126 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: a great time to get out there and shoot something. However, 127 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: a lot of deer are starting to pop up nocternally too. Um. 128 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: If you had a buck that's let's say, you know, 129 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: um m, I a for the first part of the season. 130 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: You don't know where he's at. It's talking to my 131 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: buddy Ben Harshein from hunter Maps. He had one of 132 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: his target bucks that he's been chasing for like, oh 133 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: three years come back to his farm and it's one 134 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: of those things like it's automatic every year. This week 135 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: he came back. I noticed the last time I checked 136 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: my trail cameras there was a you know, an influx 137 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: of three year old admit. So things are starting to slowly, 138 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: you know, snowball to the best time of the year. Yeah. Man, 139 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: it's that October ramp up period. I love it. I 140 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: got a friend who same thing. He said, a buck 141 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: he was keeping tabs on last year, hoping he'd make 142 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: it this year, and he just showed up a couple 143 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: of days ago. And I'm hoping that's gonna be the case. Uh, 144 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: hoping that's gonna be the case. On some of my 145 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: other spots. But you know what, I want to pause. 146 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: Can we pause here? Let's pause because I want to 147 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: talk about about all this stuff related to what's happening 148 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: right now and what we're gonna be doing, what our 149 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: buddies are doing. But absolutely, if we don't stop right now, 150 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: we'll never get to the c w D conversation, right, 151 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: that's right. So we have to talk about this because 152 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: we've talked about it for two weeks in a row. 153 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: We've like teased it. Um, So I just want to 154 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: take like ten minutes because you know, it's just something 155 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,599 Speaker 1: I feel like we always need to make sure this 156 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: top of mind, that everyone's informed of the right stuff. Um, So, 157 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: chronic way seen disease all. Are you cool of making 158 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: the shift here? When they do? We have to? Okay, 159 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: we have to, all right, But I guess before we 160 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: do that, this is probably a good place for us 161 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: to pause for our sit gear story. So let's do 162 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: that and then we'll get back to this conversation about 163 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: c w D. For this week's sit Good Story, we're 164 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: joined by Clay Forest, who tells us about a bird 165 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: hunt that's about a little more than killing some doves. 166 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: So I got a phone call from one of my 167 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: good buddies who has a cornfield behind his house that 168 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: was just cut and uh he invited me come up 169 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: dove hunting. So I asked my three year old son 170 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: if he would like to go with me, and uh, 171 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: he was pretty ecstatic about it. So I got him 172 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: up at four thirty in the morning. He beat me 173 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: to the alarm. We got gas station donuts and chocolate milk, 174 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: and uh we went to the to the field of 175 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: hunts and dove and he uh had a great time. 176 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: We got him a little Mickey mouse chair and we 177 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: shot a few doves that morning and because the nice, cool, 178 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: cool morning, and uh, we had a lot of fun. 179 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: And uh he really enjoyed it. I mean he was 180 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: picking up dove, hanging him out, smiling with him, taking 181 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: pictures with him. Just uh he really seemed to uh 182 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: to really get into what I was doing and wasn't 183 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: scared of the shotgun blast or anything, and not scared 184 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: of picking up a dead dove. And uh we had 185 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. He helped me clean them and 186 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: put him in the put him in the ziplock bags, 187 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: put him in the frazier, and really went through the 188 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: full experience. So it's something I always remember because it 189 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: was the first time that I took my son hunting, 190 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: and uh, it's definitely something that's gonna stick with me 191 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: for a long time. On Clay's hunt, he was wearing 192 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: Sita's Core Lightweight hoodie. If you'd like to create a 193 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: sikest story of your own, or to learn more about 194 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: Sitka's technical hunting apparel, visit sitka gear dot com. So 195 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: I went to this Chronic Wasting Disease symposium held in Michigan. 196 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: This is a couple of weeks ago, and it was 197 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: the first time an event like this has been held, 198 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: like on a national level, even international. There was some 199 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: people from Norway there as well. Um, the first time 200 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: something this has been done. I believe it was two 201 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: thousand and eight. They told me, Um, this is a 202 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: really big deal. The top researchers from across the country 203 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: were there. There representatives from many many of the different 204 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: states that are being impacted by c w D right now, 205 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: many other folks from UM state agencies and conservation organizations, 206 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: and uh even the captive serving industry. There are people 207 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: kind of from all all sides of this issue were there. 208 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: To talk about number one, what's the lasts on the science, 209 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 1: what do we know? What do we not know? And 210 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: then on day two it was taking a look at Okay, 211 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: how do we how are we all trying to combat this, 212 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: what's our game plan to deal with to handle um, 213 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: to try to live with or contain or try to 214 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: do something about CWD. So that was what I went 215 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: to and got to listen to with live really interesting conversations. 216 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: So one of the big things coming out of that though, 217 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 1: was just the fact that all these studies have been done. 218 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: Um actually the social side of it, so surveys and 219 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: things done two hunters in the general public to try 220 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: to see how well people actually understand CWD, and there's 221 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: a pretty good, um, there's a pretty good level of awareness, 222 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: like if you don't remember all the specific numbers. But 223 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: when they surveyed hunters, most hunters had heard of c 224 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: w D. But after that, there was a ton of 225 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: people didn't really know the details of it. People didn't 226 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: really know if it mattered or not. People were unsure 227 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: of what to do about it, what it meant for them, 228 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: why it was such a big deal. There's a lot 229 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: of questions there. So it seems that people have heard 230 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: of this thing, but there's still a lot of misinformation 231 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: or misunderstanding when it comes to what that actually means 232 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: for us as hunters, etcetera, etcetera. So I wanted to 233 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: like run through, like review a high level set of 234 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: like facts about c w D UM and then touch 235 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: on a few of the things I learned or that 236 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: I was reminded of the symposium um and then Dan, 237 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: I guess, as you have questions or thoughts on all this, 238 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 1: you know, let me know or jump in and I'll 239 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: see if I can recall anything from from the symposiums 240 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: that I can share in that front. So sounds good. 241 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: So c w D. C w D is an acronym 242 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: for chronic wasting disease. It is a disease that's caused 243 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: by misfolded protein in an animal, in a organism, and 244 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: they call this a preon p R I O N. 245 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: When you have this missfold the protein, when you have 246 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: this disease is essentially an attack on the brain the 247 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: neural um system within a deer or other species that 248 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: might have this disease, and it is always fatal. C 249 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: w D is transmitted both directly and indirectly via the environment. 250 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: So what that means is a direct transmission of c 251 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: w D is something that can happen between deer to deer, 252 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: so by saliva, blood, feces, urine um, anything like that, 253 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: when another infected animal, when an affected animal comes in 254 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: contact with a noneth acted animal and those things transfer, 255 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: there can be a transmission of the disease um indirectly, 256 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: CWD can be passed on because these preons or prions 257 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: can be shed from an animal that has cw D, 258 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: and by that it means they can essentially go and 259 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: get to any place that deer has been, so there 260 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: can be infected prions. There can be these misfolded proteins 261 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: leftover on plants or water holes or mineral licks or 262 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: just the dirt um you know, where deer feeding or 263 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: laying anything like that, and animals can pick it up 264 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: by coming into contact with those external environmental things as well. 265 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: So it's it's a disease that can be transmitted in 266 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: a lot of different ways and you can't get rid 267 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: of it. It's it's nearly it's almost impossible to get 268 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: rid of these preons once they're on the ground or 269 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: on a surface or in a you know, in a 270 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: pile of mud or whatever it might be. So for 271 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: those reasons, it's really concerning because if you get it 272 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: where you're at, if you get in your property or 273 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: your counting or your eight, it's it's nearly impossible to 274 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: get rid of it. Um. There's a question asked to 275 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: a panel that basically said, you know, are there any 276 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: examples of an area you know up CWD getting established 277 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: in an area and then seeing that, you know, the 278 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: level of infection go down. And the researchers there said, no, there, 279 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: it's it's never happened if CW gets an established in 280 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: the spot right now, we've not found an example of 281 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: it being eliminated or dealt with. It's it's been slowed. 282 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: It's been um maybe what's the right word, stabilized in 283 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: a in a way, so it's not so the infection 284 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: right across an area or population isn't growing dramatically. There's 285 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: been a few instance instances like that, like in Illinois. Um, 286 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: but if it's there, if it gets established, you're just 287 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: not going to get rid of it. At least we 288 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: haven't figured out how to get rid of it yet. Um. 289 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: There's been like some a couple rare cases where like 290 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: one infected animal has been found and then if that 291 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: animals like quickly killed one or two animals quickly killed. 292 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: Like There was an example discussed in New York where 293 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: this happened maybe eight or nine or ten years ago. 294 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: They said they found an isolated case, they got rid 295 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: of that animal, and it must have been a situation 296 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: where that was the only animal that had been effecting 297 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: so far, and they have not detected it anywhere else 298 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: yet around there. But long story short, if you don't 299 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: have c w D, you don't want to get it, 300 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: and if you do get it, you need to take 301 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: it seriously. UM. The issue, as we've talked in past episodes, 302 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: is that it's easy for people to underestimate c w 303 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: D because you don't see the impacts of it as 304 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: noticeably as something like e h G epizoodic hemorrhagic disease, 305 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: which is what many hunters have experienced, you know, back 306 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: in twos and twelve or thirteen and even this year, UM, 307 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: where these deer in a small localized area can get 308 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: e s G and you can wipe out a significant 309 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: number of the deer in an area. You know, fifties 310 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: of all the deer in a little nook and cranny 311 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: or a little nook you can get killed, you know, 312 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: in a summer, in a late summer. That's not how 313 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: CWD works. CBD incubates an animal for a relatively long time, 314 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: and it moves somewhat slowly through hert as well. Um, 315 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: but it is always fatal. So if a deer contracts 316 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: c w D, if it doesn't die of some other cause, 317 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: you know, by getting killed by hunter in its first 318 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: year or getting hitting by a car or something, it 319 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: will eventually be killed by c W It isn't always 320 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: fatal disease. Now here's something that I did not know though. Um. 321 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: There are three different genotypes in and this is as 322 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: I as I understood, as I recall from from the speakers. 323 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: There are three different genotypes seen in typical white tail populations, 324 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: and a genotype effect essentially is just let's call it 325 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: like a genetic um type. So there's three white tail 326 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: within any set of white tailed deer like behind you know, 327 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: your house, Dan, or my house in Michigan, wherever it is. 328 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: When you look at all the deer behind your house, 329 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: there's gonna be the kind of broke into three different categories. 330 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: One category one genotype is about a d percent of 331 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: most deer are going to be this genotype, and they're 332 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: the most impacted by c w D. They contracted the 333 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: easiest and the quickest, and they're the fastest to die 334 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: from it. You've got a second genotype, which is you know, 335 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: it's a much smaller proportion of your deer heard maybe 336 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: it was something like ten percent of the deer out 337 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: there are this of this type and that type. It 338 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: takes a little bit longer for those deer to get 339 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: c T b D and they live a little bit 340 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: longer with it. And then finally there's this final genotype, 341 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: this final category of deer out here, and that's a 342 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: very miniscule number of deer have this, but they are 343 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: the most resistant to CWD. So there are some of 344 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: these deer that can live a much longer time without 345 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: getting it, even if it's in the area, and if 346 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: they do get it, they can survive a much longer time. 347 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: That was interesting, but I never knew that there was 348 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: these different genotypes that are impacted by c w D 349 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: in different ways. So there's a lot of questions. There 350 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: was a there was an expert there on the genetic 351 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: side of things, and he was looking at what does 352 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: this mean. Are we gonna see some type of short, 353 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: sped up version of evolution at some point where that 354 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: genotype that is more resistant, Um, nature selects for that 355 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: more often because of CDD. There's a whole bunch of 356 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: questions that there wasn't really any clear answers, but interesting um. 357 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: The point being, c w D is going to impact 358 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: a deer and kill it if it gets that disease. 359 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: Another interesting thing I found is that the key thing 360 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: to think about here that makes it different from e 361 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: h D. Like I said, e h G can knock 362 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 1: out a herd or knock out significant numbers of deer 363 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: right away. C w D takes a much longer time 364 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: to do so, but it can have and does have 365 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: population level impacts. It just takes a while for that 366 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: to happen. But once it happens, different than the h D, 367 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: it's going to keep happening over and over and over 368 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: and over again because it's something you're not getting rid of. 369 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: So you know, when you get a bad outbreak for 370 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: e h D in Iowa, you b lose a bunch 371 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 1: of deer. This year, but the next year things come back. 372 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: The year after that, things come back, the year after that, 373 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: things come back. If you get c w D in 374 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: your area, and you reach a high enough infection rate 375 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: in your females, you're gonna start noticing declining deer populations 376 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: that are almost irreversible as far as as far as 377 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: we know so far. So we're seeing population impacts like 378 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: that out in Wyoming. In Colorado, I believe, where they 379 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: have been where they first discovered CWD, and they've been 380 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: tracking for the longest, we're seeing deer herds declining now 381 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: year after year because of that, And a researcher professor 382 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: from Wisconsin said that there are parts of Wisconsin now 383 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: that have had CWD long enough, the infection rates are 384 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: getting high enough that probably within five years there will 385 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: be parts of Wisconsin that are gonna be seeing a 386 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: noticeably declining dear population. Pointed you know, specifically because of 387 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: c w D and that infection rates about when of 388 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: your female deer are infected, that's when this kind of 389 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: thing starts happening. So that's a serious scare um obviously, 390 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: that makes an impact to deer hunters. If your dear 391 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: populations start going down, of course, but then there's always 392 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: other concerning things when it comes to c w D. 393 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: So number one potential risk is that if it gets infected, 394 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: if your dearer gets infected enough for a long a 395 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: period of time, you can start having a declining dear her. 396 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: That's number one. Number two question, quick question before you 397 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: get into number two. Can a dough with c w 398 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: D get you know, get pregnant and does she pass 399 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: c w D onto her newborn or is that something 400 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: that the newborn has to pick up? Yeah, great question. 401 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: It was something. It was something that I did not 402 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: know before I went to the symposium, but we did 403 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: hear all about this. Yes, there's several different ways that 404 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: a new that that a doe can give c w 405 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: D two its offspring. Number one, it can transmit c 406 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 1: w D in utero, so while that faun is still 407 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 1: in the dough, it can catch it can essentially be 408 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 1: infective with c w D. Not always, but it can. 409 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: And cw can be transferred to all sorts of different 410 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: things within the the fetal ecosystem. I'm not sure what 411 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: to call it, but um so, yes, it can, it 412 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: can get it that way. Or number two, it can 413 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: catch after being born, simply because of all that direct 414 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: contact with an affected deer. And then also you see 415 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: an increased um rate of infection within dope family groups 416 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: simply because of that, because these deer are very close 417 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: to each other all the time, touching each other, laying 418 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: in the same area as etcetera, etcetera. UM, So that's 419 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: a scary thing too. Um. Interestingly though, males have a 420 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: three to four times higher infection rate than females. That 421 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: was a note I took from one of the conversation 422 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: or one of the speakers. Um. But yeah, definitely lots 423 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: of ways these these deer can can transfer the disease. Unfortunately, 424 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 1: now CW impacts deer populations or definitely will if given 425 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: enough time without controlling them. The next question is can 426 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: cb the impact humans. To this point, it has not 427 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: been shown to jump from deer to humans. They have 428 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: not been able to show anything like that happening, but 429 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: there is They can't say it's impossible. There's there's a 430 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: lot of questions still around it. It definitely has been 431 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: shown to jump to other species. So there's been different 432 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: lab tests and things done where they've shown the CWD 433 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: has jumped to other ungulates that has been shown to 434 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: jump to cats, and there's been a couple of recent 435 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 1: studies with monkeys UM, one being spider monkeys, one being macaques. 436 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: I believe it's how you pronounce it UM. And they 437 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: had a number of different ways they were testing how 438 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: this transfer could happen UM, and some of these tests. 439 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: In some of these tests they would UM input some 440 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: infected material directly into the brain of one of these 441 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: animals and see if they could get it that way. 442 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: And some of them they would feed an animal infected 443 00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: tissue and see if they would get it that way, 444 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: and others they tried like cutting an animal and then 445 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: putting infected material in that cut. UM. So there's some 446 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: questions around whether or not the monkey studies UM actually 447 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: are legitimate, if they actually would simulate UM a real 448 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: world situation, So that there's a lot of question marks 449 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: around that still. But the long story short is that 450 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: there has been some ability to jump species, so that 451 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: is that is a possibility. It does happen. UM has 452 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: not been shown to happen with humans yet, but you 453 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: still don't necessarily want to risk it. It's still like 454 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: a concern that someday maybe we'll be shown to happen UM. 455 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 1: So for that reason, the Center for Disease Control does 456 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: recommend that if you are in a CW deposit area 457 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: potential positive area, you really need to get your dear tested. 458 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: And they've now most recently, I think this just happened 459 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: after these monkey studies came out. Even though they're kind 460 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: of maybe on conclusive inconclusive UM, they've now said that 461 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: they do not recommend eating CWD positive animals. UM. Now 462 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: here's another thing to think about is that while CB 463 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: has not been shown to transfer to humans yet, UM 464 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: and suppose, but you know it's it's not happening over 465 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: in the UK UM. When there was this whole outbreak 466 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: of mad cow disease UM also scientifically known as and 467 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: I'd just like to say this word because it's it 468 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: rolls off the tongue nicely. The technical term is bovine 469 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: sponge offm and cephalopathy. I had to write that one down. 470 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: UM that was shown to jump to humans in a 471 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,959 Speaker 1: variant of christ Felt Yakub's disease, which is a human 472 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: version of this type of UM disease. So if it 473 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: was able to jump from cows to humans by eating beef, 474 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: UM could something similar which CWD is somewhat similar to 475 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: b SC be could something like that happened to So 476 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: the point of the all being said is that while 477 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: it hasn't been proven to happen yet, we should be 478 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: taking it very seriously because it's certainly not um possibility. 479 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: Another thing that should be concerning is that CWD has 480 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: been shown these prions, these infected disease produs, have been 481 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: shown to be able to be taken up into plants. 482 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 1: So the prion falls onto or is input into wheat 483 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: or some other kind of plant on the landscape. UM. 484 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: I can't remember all the specifics here, so don't quote 485 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: me on these specifics. But there are a number of 486 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: studies done in laboratory environments that show that certain plant 487 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: species can take these prans up into the root system 488 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: or the branches or the stems. UM. So that has 489 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: a bunch of very scary implications if this ever started 490 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: happening in a real world environment too. I think you 491 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: can you can just um look at that and strapolate 492 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: that out and see, like there's some scary ideas there 493 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: if that ever happened. Um, if all of a sudden, 494 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: your corn could somehow transfer these prions to end users. UM. Now, 495 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: none of these things are happening in the real world yet, 496 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: but tests have shown like there's this possibility. Um. So 497 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: all this is to say that even though c w 498 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 1: D may be in your area and you're not seeing 499 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: a bunch of dead deer because of it, um or 500 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: CWD has been in Wisconsin for you know, fifteen years 501 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: or whatever is now, and you're still killing good deer 502 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: and stuff. Um it is something that you just can't 503 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: ignore because there's all these possibilities that are concerning and 504 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: there are some things that are coming in the sooner 505 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: short term future as far as population level declines that 506 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: are going to happen, that are happening. So I bring 507 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: this all up because a couple of things need to 508 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: be I think reaffirmed for the white tail hunting community. 509 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: Number number one. CWD is a real thing. This isn't 510 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: a government conspiracy. This isn't something about politics. This isn't 511 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: something that's being pushed on you by your state agency 512 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: or by the car insurance companies or something sailing like that. 513 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: Is a real thing. There are real scientists who do 514 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: not have political biases, who don't have any kind of agenda. 515 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: People that are just doing real science that are showing 516 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: this is a real issue. So we need to take 517 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: that seriously as well. Number two, Since we need to 518 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: take it seriously, there's a couple of things that we 519 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: as hunters need to be serious about following. A couple 520 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: of guidelines that we need to be serious about following. 521 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: If you're in a CB depositive area, most state I 522 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: think probably all state agencies now, but I uh, state 523 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: agencies in those areas typically are telling hunters that you 524 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: really need to get your dear tested. And I believe 525 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: this is a number just for Michigan. UM, but in 526 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: the CW deposit areas in Michigan, they showed UM a 527 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: survey show the only forty seven percent of people that 528 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: are killing deer in that area are actually bringing them 529 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: in to get checked in and tested. That's a horrible 530 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: UM what's the word I'm looking for. I don't know. 531 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: It's a horrible number of people actually follow me through 532 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: and what they're supposed to be doing there. So get 533 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: your act together, guys, like we need to get these 534 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: things tested. We need to help the state agencies monitor 535 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: what's happening, and also for your own health, it's good 536 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: to know whether these deer that are getting shot our 537 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: CW depositis so get tested. Number Two, follow the local laws. 538 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: If if baiting or minerals or whatever and feeding has 539 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: been banned where you're at, you gotta take it seriously. 540 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: It's not just the state agency trying to make your 541 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: life a pain in the butt. They're doing this for 542 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: a reason. Follow those rules. This is a serious issue. 543 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: Number two. Probably one of the most important things right 544 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: now is that most of the UM, most of the 545 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: spread of chronic wasting disease across the country has been 546 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: tied to the transfer of either live animals or animal parts. 547 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: As a hunter, you probably have nothing to do with 548 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: the transfer of live animals. That's a deal with the 549 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: servant industry, the captive servant industry. That's a whole another conversation. UM, 550 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: that stuff needs to be regulated, needs to be dealt with. 551 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: But from a hunter standpoint, something we do probably UM 552 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: have some culpability for is this transfer and transportation of 553 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: dead animal parts. So this is killing a back in 554 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: Iowa and driving into Michigan with that dead deer in 555 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: the back of your truck. That is illegal now, UM 556 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: in many states, doing that taking a deer body or 557 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: portions of the body across state lines is something that 558 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: you cannot do legally anymore because of the worry of 559 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: transferring that CW deposit material um. So now in the 560 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: state of Michigan, it used to be just that you 561 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: couldn't do that if you kill a deer or an 562 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: animal in a CW deposit state. So if that situation 563 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: I said, like, if you're killing in in uh Missouri 564 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: CW DEPOSITI state, bring it back to Michigan. You can't 565 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,959 Speaker 1: do that. Now it's any state. At least the Michigan 566 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: law is that if you kill another deer, or if 567 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: you kill a deer another state, any other state, regardless 568 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: of whether they have CWD or not determined yet, you 569 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: can only bring de boned meat um, a cleaned hide, um, 570 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: a clean skull cap, and antlers. So basically you need 571 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: to figure out how to keep out your dear, how 572 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: to clean your deer, how to butcher your deer, where 573 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: you're at where you kill that deer, or you need 574 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: to get a tax of dermist or meat processor to 575 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: help you with those things. You can't just throw that 576 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: thing in the back of the truck. Come back home. 577 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: If your state doesn't have that kind of guideline, if 578 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: you still can bring deer across state Steve lanes, excuse me, 579 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: state lines. The recommendation is simply to be smart about 580 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: how you dispose of those parts. Don't just you know, 581 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: butcher your deer and then throw the spine and skull 582 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: and everything just back behind the house and a pile. 583 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: And you know potentially that if that deer was cw 584 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: deposit and you drop that stuff off behind the house, 585 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you could have just introduced c 586 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: w D to a totally new place. So talk to 587 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: your state agency or someone to fire out what the 588 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: right way is to dispose of those things. And maybe 589 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: it's bearing it, maybe it's I don't I don't know 590 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,719 Speaker 1: what the proper way is, um, but figure that out 591 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: for your area. Make sure you are not unknowingly, you know, 592 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: proliferating something that can really seriously impact where you're at 593 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,719 Speaker 1: and the future of hunting in this country. UM So 594 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: that's my my high level CWD reminder. I would just 595 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: encourage you all to to learn more about it, to 596 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: stay up on it, to you know, to not let um. Oh, 597 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: I don't know what you call it kind of like, um, 598 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: c w D fatigue impact you, right, because like when 599 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: CWD first starts show up in white Tails in the 600 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: early two thousands in Wisconsin, there's lots of articles, lots 601 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: of people talking about it, people are taking it seriously. 602 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: But then over the years people kind of kind of 603 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: tired of it. We've heard people ranting about cwt for 604 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: so long. Now it's not that big of a deal. 605 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, but we have 606 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: to listen, we have to take it seriously. Um. We 607 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: can't just pretend it's not happening and try to live 608 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: live our lives just you know, continue on without actually 609 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: trying to do the right things to deal with this 610 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: as best as possible. Um. So that's my my rant 611 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: for the day. And I just want to add something 612 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: real quick, be aware of where you're getting your information, 613 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: because social media is probably not the best place to 614 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: get educated on c w D. And the reason for 615 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: that is is I'm going to chalk this up to 616 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: a learning experience. Reading a headline and then assuming that hey, 617 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: c w D is making the jump to humans, right, 618 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: which it is not currently making the jump to humans, 619 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: but this article, you know, it's one of these articles 620 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: that it's worded so that you would click on it, 621 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: basically click bait, and then you get in there and 622 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: you start reading. But I didn't, you know, I felt 623 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: victim to this, and it's honestly embarrassing to say, but 624 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: I went, holy sh it, c w D made the 625 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: jump to humans. And and then I, you know, I 626 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: went back and I read the article. But if someone 627 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: didn't read the article or didn't go that one step 628 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: further than you, then we've created a rumor mill. And 629 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:11,240 Speaker 1: once that uh hits, then we know that non hunters 630 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: may hear that, and then it's like whoa wait a second, 631 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: all dear or bad or the wrong kind of people 632 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,919 Speaker 1: here at Like, let's say a rumor gets spread about 633 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: how c w D can make the jump to livestock 634 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 1: or two egg and when that happens, or if that happens, 635 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,800 Speaker 1: deer hunting goes bye bye, because obviously there's more value 636 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:37,720 Speaker 1: in egg and livestock than there is the white tail. Yeah. Yeah, 637 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: we gotta pay attention to it. We need to, like 638 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: you said, make sure we're educated on it, be aware 639 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: of the right sources there. There's so much bologna. These 640 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: days on Facebook that people believe and that people share 641 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 1: around and like, did you look at the source of 642 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: this material? Like I see the Facebook posts with like 643 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: photoshop pictures of something going on, like people getting all 644 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: outraged in the comments section. I'm like, this is bo ugus. 645 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: There's so much bologna out there. So so take a 646 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: second to think about that. Is this a reputable source, 647 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: is this science based or is this you know, someone 648 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 1: who just has an agenda who's ranting about their take 649 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,760 Speaker 1: on it but really can't point to the real stuff 650 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,240 Speaker 1: going on here. Um, I think it's it's very clear 651 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: when you get the best people in the world on 652 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: this issue talking about it, it's very clear. This is 653 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: an issue. This is a real thing. This is a 654 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: new disease. This isn't something that's been around forever that 655 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 1: all of a sudden we just really realize it is around. 656 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: So some people have made that claim, they said, well, 657 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: this is this has been around forever, we just just 658 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: recently noticed it. It's not a big deal because it's 659 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,919 Speaker 1: been around for so long. Everyone's just you know, making 660 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: it up to be more than it is. Um. That 661 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,919 Speaker 1: question was asked and when the panel discussions, they said no, 662 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,800 Speaker 1: we don't believe that's the case because when we find 663 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: c w D, when we first identify c w D 664 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: in in an area, the way the disease moves through 665 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: the herd and the way the animals UM react to 666 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: it is spot on exactly with what you see with 667 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: all new diseases popping up in an area, Like this 668 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: is what happens when a disease, when a new disease 669 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: comes into an area, This is not what it looks 670 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: like if a disease is in an area forever. So 671 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: so this is just something we gotta we have to 672 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: look at as um as as realists and look at 673 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: the practical implications of it and make sure we're doing 674 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: what we count as hunters to move in the right 675 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: attraction right. Absolutely. And then for me it's also I 676 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: don't want to I don't want to like stand on 677 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:41,439 Speaker 1: a stoapbox box and preach, but I don't think that 678 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: the hunting industry itself and the people who are in 679 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: quote unquote leadership roles within the hunter hunting industry UM 680 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: are are literally doing enough UM. And there are people 681 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: in the hunting industry who are part of that group 682 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: who think that c w D is a joke or 683 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: it's not to be taken serious, and that is a 684 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 1: that's a bad thing because those they're telling their followers, 685 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: you know, I don't worry about c w D. It's 686 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: gonna you know that it's been around forever, or it's 687 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: not it's not serious. Then we have these people spreading negative, 688 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 1: a bad, bad information, and that pisces me off. Yeah. Man, 689 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 1: there's a lot of that is disappointing, But I think 690 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: you know it, just take a second when you hear 691 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: something about c w D or anything really in the 692 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: world today, take a look at that person who you're 693 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: hearing this from that resource. Again, look at your source. 694 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: Is this a real source that's looking at you know, 695 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 1: real data, real research, real science, or is this uh 696 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: Joe blow crazy guy who's just saying stuff or someone 697 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 1: who has an agenda or who has you know, there's 698 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: some behind the scenes motivation for him not to want 699 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 1: you to think cw CWD matters. So I I certainly 700 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,760 Speaker 1: do not claim in any way to be an expert 701 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: on this topic. I'm not a scientist, I'm not a researcher. 702 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,760 Speaker 1: But all I'm trying to do here is is relay 703 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: the information I got from those people who really really 704 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,399 Speaker 1: do know that they spend their entire lives looking into 705 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,240 Speaker 1: this stuff. And um, it's no joke. So real quick, 706 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 1: we're did they say how this disease came to be? 707 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: I mean, is it is it part of an evolutionary 708 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: process or is it actually you know, just like pop 709 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: it came up? And because didn't it start in mule 710 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: deer they first they first found it? Yeah, and mule 711 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: deer populations in in Wyoming or Colorado, one of those 712 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: two states. And and no, there did not seem to 713 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: be an answer as to how how it first comes about. Um, 714 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: it's likely from if I remember right, I think there 715 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,919 Speaker 1: are some hypotheses around it likely being like a freak 716 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 1: mutation of a of a protein, and that you know, 717 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: once that happens, then it can be transmitted. It's just 718 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: gone from there. And then you see, you know, it's 719 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 1: not like something that has just started in one place 720 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 1: and slowly spread into a massive mebook crossing the country. 721 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: It goes in one spot. And then you can see 722 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: how when we're transferring an animal excuse me, transferring animal parts, 723 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: you just see these random spots popping up all over 724 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: different parts of the country where you've got, you know, 725 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: a shipment of deer, or someone brought a dead deer 726 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 1: carcuss across or different things like that. Many times it's 727 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: centered around these captive servit locations. I don't think that's 728 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,919 Speaker 1: the case pent of them, but I know that many 729 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,839 Speaker 1: times that's been what's happened. UM, Or at least that's 730 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: what I remember hearing. Was there anybody from the servit 731 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: industry that spoke. There was someone there from the industry, 732 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: but they were there the second day and I was 733 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 1: not there for that discussion, So I was there for 734 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,240 Speaker 1: the first day of the whole research day. I didn't 735 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: hear what he had to say. UM. I did hear 736 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: from them a couple of years ago at the National 737 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: North the North American Deer some a couple of years ago, 738 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 1: and the same guy was there at that time, UM, 739 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 1: and in his angle was, yeah, we think it's a 740 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 1: serious thing to UM. That's why you know, animals are 741 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:04,359 Speaker 1: getting tested in our facilities, etcetera, etcetera. UM, But you know, 742 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: wild animals are just as much as a problem as well. UM. 743 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: The interesting thing about CWD tests right now is there 744 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 1: is no such thing as a negative result. So if 745 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,760 Speaker 1: we're testing an animal, whether it be a dead animal 746 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 1: or live animal. Um, so what does that? I think 747 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: it's called postmortem or prewartum or I don't know what 748 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 1: they called it. But um, you can get a positive results, 749 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: so you can say, yes, this dear is positive for 750 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: CWD or you get a UM. I can't remember how 751 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 1: they particularly phrase. It was like unconclusive or not. It 752 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: was either positive or not positive. But that doesn't mean 753 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: that it's negative. It just means we couldn't detective being positive. 754 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 1: But it's not a guaranteed negative. UM. So that's a 755 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: whole another concerning thing too. So you can get you 756 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 1: can get false positives or you can not detect it, 757 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,839 Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean that deer doesn't have it. It's 758 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: just simply we haven't been able to get on positive 759 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: or negative test. It's it's positive or not detected, which okay, 760 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: hopefully it's not positive, but we're not sure. Right. So 761 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:10,360 Speaker 1: that's that's the scary thing because let's say they find 762 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: out a new way of doing it and then they realize, uh, 763 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: now there's way more dear that have it right than 764 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,959 Speaker 1: what we think. Right, So there's lots of question marks, 765 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: still lots of um. You know, just there's just we 766 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 1: need to pay attention. To the point of me saying 767 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: all these things that we just need to take it seriously. 768 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: We need to pay attention, We need to stay educated, 769 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: and we need to support our state agencies when they 770 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,360 Speaker 1: try to make the right decisions to help us manage 771 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 1: to manage the issue in an area. So I don't 772 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,479 Speaker 1: have all the answers. I don't know if anyone does, 773 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: but but if nothing else, we just need to be supportive. 774 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: We need to pay attention, and we need to not um, 775 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,839 Speaker 1: I don't know, not bury our heads in the sand. 776 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: Let's talk about fun stuff they do. I'm down for 777 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,360 Speaker 1: that because we we had a good ten fifteen minutes 778 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: here of of a downer on c w D. But um, 779 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,919 Speaker 1: there's good there's good news in the world too. There's 780 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: good news in the world too. It's deer hunting season. 781 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,800 Speaker 1: First cold front. First good cold front at least for 782 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,799 Speaker 1: a lot of areas of the country just passed through 783 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: here yesterday and today. So that's exciting. Um, you were 784 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: saying that Ben got his big buck on camera or 785 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 1: that pork? Is that that one? Yep? Yep? Then got 786 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 1: his He sent me, Oh, I don't know if I'm 787 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: supposed to share that information or not, but I just 788 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 1: did so. So uh yeah, a buckets he's been hunting 789 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: for a while. Uh, showed back up on the farm, 790 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 1: um that he actually hit last year and it ended 791 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,879 Speaker 1: up surviving. And then um uh, just like many of us, 792 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 1: you know, you think about that deer the entire rest 793 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 1: of the year, and finally he showed back up on 794 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: trail camera basically on an annual pattern. So, so you 795 00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 1: haven't hunted since the last time. You had that like 796 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: really good sit last weekend right where you saw that 797 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 1: nice buck right right. What's what's your game plan moving forward? Though? 798 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,919 Speaker 1: Do you have Do you have plans? It's like coming 799 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:16,960 Speaker 1: with Well, here's the thing, like I'm debating with myself 800 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,319 Speaker 1: on how I want to handle this, Like you ever 801 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 1: have have you ever done something because you've been pressured 802 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 1: into it and it ended up being maybe like a 803 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 1: negative like hey man, you should drink one more beer 804 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,880 Speaker 1: and then you puke all over Been there, okay? Or 805 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 1: something like that. I saw along those lines. Um, so 806 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,560 Speaker 1: you know this whole talk about this October lull, right, 807 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 1: like we kind of have different views on it. I 808 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 1: do not. I don't believe in the October lull. I 809 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,520 Speaker 1: think it's it's dumb, and I mean in a way, 810 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,879 Speaker 1: there's just a little bit of a different, different thought 811 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: on that. It comes down to an issue of semantics. 812 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,240 Speaker 1: I think it's like how we're talking about it. But 813 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,480 Speaker 1: let's let's argue this one out a little bit though, 814 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,320 Speaker 1: because I do take issue, not take issue, but I 815 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 1: disagree with you maybe a little bit, even though I 816 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,319 Speaker 1: think we really do agree. But when you say the 817 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:18,800 Speaker 1: October law is is BS, it is in a way BS, 818 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,800 Speaker 1: but it is also not in a way BS. Because 819 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 1: let me give you my perspective at least, and then 820 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 1: you can tell me if you agree to disagree. The 821 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:33,320 Speaker 1: October law is not a biological reality. Research has shown 822 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,960 Speaker 1: that buck activity steadily increases throughout the month of October. 823 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 1: So there is not an actual October law that is 824 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:48,480 Speaker 1: happening because of biology. But many hunters experience in October law. 825 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 1: And I'm saying that this is this is a this 826 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 1: is a reality that many people experience. But it doesn't 827 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 1: have to be that way. Doesn't You don't have to 828 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: experience in October law. But many hunters do. So my 829 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 1: point is, Okay, yeah, if you're experiencing in October lull, 830 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,279 Speaker 1: here's why that might be happening. Here's what you can 831 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,879 Speaker 1: do to change that. Um And here's why I think 832 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 1: you may be experiencing a lull at this time of year. 833 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,399 Speaker 1: Number one, because maybe the hunting pressure in your area 834 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 1: has increased, which many cases is many times is the case, 835 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 1: as hunting seasons opened in early October late September. Now 836 00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 1: these deer are changing their behavior because of that that 837 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,800 Speaker 1: hunting pressure or food sources have changed. So beings of 838 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 1: matured and are getting harvested. Corns turn and brown acorns 839 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,480 Speaker 1: are dropping all their soft mass, trees are dropping, so 840 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,640 Speaker 1: there's all this influx of different types of food sources 841 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 1: that might change dear behavior. Leaves are falling, the available 842 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 1: cover is changing. So you've got these three changes in 843 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,920 Speaker 1: the white tailed woods that are causing dear to change 844 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,560 Speaker 1: where they spend their time, how they spend their time, 845 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 1: and maybe how much time they spend during daylight. Those 846 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 1: things are all changing in and around early to mid October. 847 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,319 Speaker 1: So for the guy that doesn't know those things, the 848 00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 1: guy girl who doesn't know those things, or the guy 849 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,920 Speaker 1: girl who doesn't know to properly adjust to those things, 850 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,279 Speaker 1: he's probably experiencing October law. He's hunting a spot, he 851 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,279 Speaker 1: hasn't adjusted properly, he's not seen dear, and he's just 852 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,640 Speaker 1: making things worse for himself later in the year. For 853 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,680 Speaker 1: that guy or girl, the October law is real and 854 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,000 Speaker 1: we need to either say, hey, here's here's why and 855 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,320 Speaker 1: how to change it. Or if you don't know those things, 856 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,359 Speaker 1: if you're not able to adjust, then yeah, you might 857 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 1: want to follow the usual October law advice, which is 858 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,120 Speaker 1: to stay out, be careful, because if you can't properly 859 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,400 Speaker 1: adjust for those shifts, you are making things worse. Um. 860 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,800 Speaker 1: That is my take on the quote unquote October lull. 861 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,279 Speaker 1: I think you agree with all that, don't you. Yeah, yeah, 862 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,759 Speaker 1: I agree with it, except you know, back to the 863 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: semantics part of it. I agree with it. But just 864 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: like the lull, just stop calling it that. I mean. 865 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't like every time I 866 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: even say that word, I get a little cringe in 867 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,080 Speaker 1: my stomach because it's like it's calling something something that 868 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,000 Speaker 1: it's not what I mean, I do know what It 869 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,040 Speaker 1: pisces me off because because then there's other guys who 870 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,239 Speaker 1: will sit out there and defend it, like, hey man, 871 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:12,040 Speaker 1: I only have twenty acres, so I definitely see a lull. No, 872 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 1: you don't, that's not a lull. Right, Just because you 873 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,359 Speaker 1: have only twenty acres to hunt, that doesn't mean there's deer. 874 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,399 Speaker 1: It probably means that you went in there too hot 875 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,080 Speaker 1: and heavy and bumped them out, or like we like 876 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,560 Speaker 1: we've already discussed, there's a change in in something. Deer 877 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,640 Speaker 1: are out there, deer are moving, Go find them and 878 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:36,279 Speaker 1: then set up on them. Boom done. Next topic. But 879 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,960 Speaker 1: what if um is that the right? Is that the 880 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:45,040 Speaker 1: right recommendation? Because if if um, if such and such 881 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,799 Speaker 1: person who is who has historically experienced a lull, So 882 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,879 Speaker 1: whether you like it or not, people call it that. 883 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,480 Speaker 1: So I simply I simply say, okay, let's if if 884 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,319 Speaker 1: people are going to continue to stay out ober law, 885 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,239 Speaker 1: which it's just it's entrenched in dear culture. It's a 886 00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,640 Speaker 1: word that's out there. My at least my thought has been, yes, 887 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,440 Speaker 1: I will use that word because it's a trigger word 888 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,120 Speaker 1: gets people's attention. But then once they click into it, 889 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,279 Speaker 1: or they hear you say it or whatever, then you 890 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,440 Speaker 1: can educate them on the reality of it. Um. But 891 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,800 Speaker 1: that said, let's say there's someone who has experienced a 892 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,839 Speaker 1: law and you say to them, no, there's not a law, 893 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,680 Speaker 1: go in there and find them, right? Is that good 894 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,080 Speaker 1: advice for someone who hasn't already prepared for this, who 895 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,239 Speaker 1: doesn't know how the deer react, who doesn't know how 896 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,880 Speaker 1: they're shifting, to just go in and walk around blindly 897 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,000 Speaker 1: to find this at this time of year, I'm gonna say, 898 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,920 Speaker 1: in a way, you have to. And the reason because 899 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,399 Speaker 1: of that is, how do you know what you're actually hunting, right, 900 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,560 Speaker 1: unless you're just going out there to hunt? And like 901 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,080 Speaker 1: for me, I'm after a certain uh category of animal right. Um, 902 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,359 Speaker 1: my goal is to harvest a four year old. So 903 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,200 Speaker 1: in order for me to do that, I have to 904 00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,879 Speaker 1: know where some of these deer are at. And one 905 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,839 Speaker 1: way to do that is to go in and set 906 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,799 Speaker 1: up observation stands and locate where these animals are, or 907 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,640 Speaker 1: run trail cameras and locate, you know, locate them that way. 908 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,320 Speaker 1: I guess, I guess the I guess there's a negative 909 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,839 Speaker 1: connotation with the lull and here, you know, I mightna 910 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,799 Speaker 1: get crucified for saying this is people who have not 911 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,759 Speaker 1: been successful. I think there is a lull. Does that 912 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:23,719 Speaker 1: make sense like they're using this as an excuse excuse, Yeah, 913 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,919 Speaker 1: well not necessarily. I mean for this time of year. 914 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,959 Speaker 1: So hey, there's a law. It's the lull. I gotta 915 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,959 Speaker 1: stay out. Well, if you don't know what you're deer 916 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,960 Speaker 1: doing anyway, you know, what's what's the point? You know, 917 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,680 Speaker 1: we all know that saying you can't kill him if 918 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,760 Speaker 1: you're sitting on the couch. So if you've never tried 919 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,759 Speaker 1: to hunt this time of year and you use that 920 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:48,640 Speaker 1: as the excuse, then that that's what. That's bad practice 921 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,239 Speaker 1: in general for anything, you have to experience failure in 922 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,759 Speaker 1: order to be better. And if you've failed so much 923 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,000 Speaker 1: this time of year by going in and locating them 924 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,759 Speaker 1: or or hunting, you know, doing you know, going in, 925 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,799 Speaker 1: then that's fine. You've learned, just like I've learned that 926 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,520 Speaker 1: next weekend it's supposed to be seventy five degrees. I 927 00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,400 Speaker 1: know that you're going to be moving nocturnal and unless 928 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,200 Speaker 1: there's a reason for me to go out there and hunt, 929 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,200 Speaker 1: I'm not going to jump into my best spots. It's 930 00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,760 Speaker 1: not because there's a lull. It's because the information provided 931 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,800 Speaker 1: to me is telling me what I should or should 932 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:27,480 Speaker 1: not do. So you don't think, well, would you disagree though, 933 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:32,440 Speaker 1: that the average amount of buck activity is better on 934 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:37,520 Speaker 1: November second than it is on October typically? Yep? Absolutely? 935 00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,239 Speaker 1: And then would see And then you also just said 936 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,840 Speaker 1: that you would rather you know that buck activity on 937 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,000 Speaker 1: average might be better on a day of a coal 938 00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,359 Speaker 1: front versus a day of seventy degrees? Would you agree 939 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:53,440 Speaker 1: with that that one more time? Would you? Would you 940 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,800 Speaker 1: rather hunt a big coal front day, a day or 941 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,920 Speaker 1: two after coal front versus hunted random day when it's 942 00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,160 Speaker 1: seventy or seventy grees or something like that where it's 943 00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,880 Speaker 1: been hot for a while. Right. So, so simply, what 944 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,400 Speaker 1: I'm trying to establish is that there are certain days 945 00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,080 Speaker 1: that are better to hunt, and you would you would 946 00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,840 Speaker 1: usually try to plan your best hunts. You're going to 947 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,759 Speaker 1: your better spots on the days that are better, right, 948 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,319 Speaker 1: And that could be either a weather factor or it 949 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,040 Speaker 1: could be a date of the calendar factor. Right, right? 950 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:27,800 Speaker 1: So would it not the necessarily bad advice for people 951 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,080 Speaker 1: that if you don't have a cold front in mid October, 952 00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 1: if you don't have something that's really going to get 953 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,960 Speaker 1: deer movement exceptionally well, and you don't have the intel 954 00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,840 Speaker 1: if you don't know how the shift is happening, and 955 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,560 Speaker 1: you don't think that you can in some type of 956 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:48,480 Speaker 1: low impact way discover that maybe in those situations, it 957 00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,319 Speaker 1: is better to hold off until the date on the 958 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,680 Speaker 1: calendar tells you that your odds are higher. Um, then 959 00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,880 Speaker 1: they might be right now, even though yes, if you 960 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,919 Speaker 1: go you can find there are you're moving right now. 961 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:02,640 Speaker 1: But if you don't know where they're moving, if you 962 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,719 Speaker 1: don't have good conditions that might tip the odds in 963 00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,759 Speaker 1: your favorite little bit, you might be making things worse 964 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:13,239 Speaker 1: for yourself. Um. Otherwise, right, yep, I agree, I I 965 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,760 Speaker 1: agree with everything you've said. However, when when it comes 966 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,640 Speaker 1: time to locate a deer, right, you're not going to 967 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,719 Speaker 1: locate a deer sitting on a field edge in you 968 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,239 Speaker 1: know when this when this shift is happening, right, Um, 969 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,160 Speaker 1: you're not gonna So I guess what I'm saying is, 970 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,480 Speaker 1: don't be afraid to fail. I mean, unless you know 971 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,520 Speaker 1: your property, unless you've been hunting a proper certain properties 972 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,960 Speaker 1: for like, um, I don't know, you know, ten fifteen 973 00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,920 Speaker 1: years and you know, or even a year right and 974 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,160 Speaker 1: you you've really found out what these deer are doing. 975 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,680 Speaker 1: It's definitely okay. But what I'm saying is you're gaining 976 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,279 Speaker 1: nothing sitting on the couch this time of year if 977 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,440 Speaker 1: you don't know what your dear hurt is doing, if 978 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,240 Speaker 1: you don't know what the deer you're chasing or doing, 979 00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,600 Speaker 1: because then you're going in what I feel is one 980 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,839 Speaker 1: step behind in the rut, and then you're playing. Then 981 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,240 Speaker 1: you're playing catch up on the other side of things. 982 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,520 Speaker 1: You might be going in there and educating deer right now, 983 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,560 Speaker 1: and then you're not enjoying the full impacts, the positive 984 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,040 Speaker 1: impacts of the rut, because you've bumbled around telling every 985 00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,200 Speaker 1: deer the hey, I'm in the area. Right There's there's 986 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:23,960 Speaker 1: that chance, But I don't think the guy who I 987 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,839 Speaker 1: guess I'm a little bit more aggressive than most when 988 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,319 Speaker 1: it comes to I guess it's stylistic than at this 989 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,640 Speaker 1: point right where I feel. And again, I you know, 990 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,879 Speaker 1: this all comes back down to how much property you have, man, 991 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,960 Speaker 1: I have I have a couple of thousand acres, but 992 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,160 Speaker 1: I don't own it, I don't lease it, So in 993 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,359 Speaker 1: a way I'm kind of in the same boat as 994 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,080 Speaker 1: some of the other guys that are out there. I 995 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:52,960 Speaker 1: just I don't like excuses, and I don't like someone saying, hey, 996 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,359 Speaker 1: all I have is twenty acres Well, you can have 997 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,080 Speaker 1: twenty acres um, But who I mean is that because 998 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,680 Speaker 1: every other person and has told you know that you 999 00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,960 Speaker 1: know to hunt, you know whether the drive I mean 1000 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,680 Speaker 1: it kind of from this point it goes on to 1001 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,800 Speaker 1: a bigger you know, those topics that we have for 1002 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,839 Speaker 1: almost every episode, right it can it can spend spent 1003 00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,520 Speaker 1: off to that. I'm just I'm just saying, don't be passed. 1004 00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,360 Speaker 1: Don't be afraid to be aggressive this time of year too, 1005 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:25,040 Speaker 1: because they're they're still out there. Yes, the value may 1006 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,880 Speaker 1: maybe a little the value of that hunt maybe a 1007 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:33,120 Speaker 1: little different. But if I get the opportunity to go 1008 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:39,680 Speaker 1: out and hunt next weekend, and I'm debating going out 1009 00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,200 Speaker 1: and doing this just because I want to prove a point. 1010 00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,719 Speaker 1: I want to have an encounter so bad because I've 1011 00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,160 Speaker 1: I've had encounters in the past with mature deer this 1012 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,000 Speaker 1: time of year, whether it's seventy five degrees or a 1013 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:55,040 Speaker 1: cold fronts come through, I want to you know, it's 1014 00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,160 Speaker 1: okay to be It's okay to be aggressive this time 1015 00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,000 Speaker 1: of year, and the deer are out there and they 1016 00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,840 Speaker 1: are moving. You can't you can't. You can't locate a 1017 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:07,400 Speaker 1: deer if you're not in the timber. Yeah, that's true. 1018 00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,160 Speaker 1: I think. I think though, a really important point you 1019 00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,520 Speaker 1: made there was what I'm on the ground you're working with. 1020 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,719 Speaker 1: If I had thousands of acres of land, heck yeah, 1021 00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,840 Speaker 1: I'd be out there hunting all the time because who cares. 1022 00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,880 Speaker 1: I mean, like you've got other places to go. Um, 1023 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,480 Speaker 1: But like the Spottom hunting holy Field, there's ninety acres, 1024 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,960 Speaker 1: there's forty acres cover that I'm hunting basically, And if 1025 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,920 Speaker 1: I'm hunting that all the time, trying fare out where 1026 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,960 Speaker 1: he is, I'm never going to see him. So in 1027 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,799 Speaker 1: this kind of situation, like you have to be very 1028 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,800 Speaker 1: very careful about when you do go in those spots. 1029 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,760 Speaker 1: So what I choose to do during this time of year, um, 1030 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,200 Speaker 1: because I don't have the I don't as much as 1031 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,200 Speaker 1: I know this area, I'm not able to get on 1032 00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,359 Speaker 1: that buck in daylight. Based on all the scout I've 1033 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,840 Speaker 1: done the past, the historical observations trail cameras, etcetera, etcetera. 1034 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,919 Speaker 1: So in that kind of situation, in my opinion, it's 1035 00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,400 Speaker 1: better to wait until the timing is better. But to 1036 00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,160 Speaker 1: your point, it is still worth hunting. It is still 1037 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,439 Speaker 1: work because anything can happen. There are still good days, 1038 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,000 Speaker 1: deer are still out there, deer moving. So I'm just 1039 00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,080 Speaker 1: spending my hunting time on areas they are lower risk 1040 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,720 Speaker 1: where I'm not as worried about messing up my number 1041 00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,040 Speaker 1: one goal. Um some I'm hunting a bunch of public lan. 1042 00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to other states to do some different things. 1043 00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,120 Speaker 1: Um So, if you've got other spots to hunt, I 1044 00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,640 Speaker 1: highly recommend it them all about dig in there, find 1045 00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,120 Speaker 1: new spots to be aggressive. But if you, for whatever reason, 1046 00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,239 Speaker 1: if you do, only have twenty acres to hunt, and 1047 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,960 Speaker 1: that's at this point, that's all you've gotten. Let's say, 1048 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,920 Speaker 1: for that guy at this point, with the cards he 1049 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,080 Speaker 1: has in his hand right now, maybe it is better 1050 00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,640 Speaker 1: to be safe and wait a little bit longer. Like 1051 00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,000 Speaker 1: you said earlier, that's not a great situation. Ideally, you 1052 00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,960 Speaker 1: would already have found other places you can hunt, or 1053 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,080 Speaker 1: you know, public lan, or you get permission somewhere else. 1054 00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,759 Speaker 1: So you're not in that position. But if you are 1055 00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,560 Speaker 1: and you don't know how the shift happened, then yes, 1056 00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,760 Speaker 1: my recommendation would be okay if you have an accounted 1057 00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,960 Speaker 1: for the shift. If you don't have other places to 1058 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,640 Speaker 1: go have a good time, you probably we will screw 1059 00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,040 Speaker 1: things up more than help. If you go blundering around 1060 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,600 Speaker 1: right now, Wait until the cold front or an observation 1061 00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,799 Speaker 1: or a little bit later in the month, until things 1062 00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:15,239 Speaker 1: pick up even more. That's that's my personal take. I 1063 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,160 Speaker 1: think we've basically just gone around circles on it, but 1064 00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,680 Speaker 1: we could. We could. I mean, I'm if I go 1065 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,000 Speaker 1: out this weekend, and the only reason I don't go 1066 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:29,360 Speaker 1: out this weekend is simply too and I want to 1067 00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,520 Speaker 1: go out really bad, But I also don't want to 1068 00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,840 Speaker 1: piss my wife off, right, and that technically that is 1069 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:39,240 Speaker 1: the only reason why I wouldn't go out. If if 1070 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:40,840 Speaker 1: I go hunting, I'm going to set up in an 1071 00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:45,480 Speaker 1: observation stand uh where I can see relatively good movement 1072 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,920 Speaker 1: or find myself in a really tight little area with 1073 00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,640 Speaker 1: great access to you know, where I know the wind's 1074 00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,680 Speaker 1: going to be good. So if something does come by, um, 1075 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,360 Speaker 1: it will you know within shooting light. I'll be there 1076 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:02,240 Speaker 1: for it, um, But I'm not I'm not careless. I'm 1077 00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,960 Speaker 1: not gonna go hammering through the woods, you know, or 1078 00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,520 Speaker 1: or going into a place where the winds wrong or 1079 00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,360 Speaker 1: that has shitty access. You know. I'm gonna play it 1080 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:16,000 Speaker 1: as smart as humanly possible, but I'm I'm not going 1081 00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:19,840 Speaker 1: to not hunt all right. So before we get too 1082 00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,640 Speaker 1: far into this new topic of talking about our upcoming plans, 1083 00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,560 Speaker 1: let's take a quick break to think. Our partners at 1084 00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,920 Speaker 1: White Tail Properties and Spencer new Hearth will take it 1085 00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:34,040 Speaker 1: from here. This week with White Tailed Properties, we were 1086 00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,960 Speaker 1: joined by Adam Hayden, a land specialist out of Ohio, 1087 00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,520 Speaker 1: and Edam is going to be telling us about how 1088 00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:43,200 Speaker 1: to develop a checklist as a property buyer. One thing 1089 00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,120 Speaker 1: that I would suggest whenever I you know, if I 1090 00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,120 Speaker 1: was going in to look at a property, I would 1091 00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,520 Speaker 1: sit down and I would just ask myself several questions, A, 1092 00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, how big of a property do I want? Be? 1093 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,880 Speaker 1: Obviously what is my budget? And then you know I 1094 00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,760 Speaker 1: would go in to see like that, just detail else specifics, um, 1095 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,240 Speaker 1: you know, and am I wanting to big open woods? 1096 00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,640 Speaker 1: Am I wanting crop fields around? Just depending on where 1097 00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,760 Speaker 1: you're at in the country. Um, you know, am I 1098 00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,120 Speaker 1: wanting water on the property? And if water is not there, 1099 00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,920 Speaker 1: do I have capabilities of putting upon the myself? Um? 1100 00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,680 Speaker 1: You know, there's just so many things that you can 1101 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:25,360 Speaker 1: think about, um and write actually on paper and make 1102 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,840 Speaker 1: a list that will help you being you know, help 1103 00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:33,200 Speaker 1: a buyer whenever they're looking at properties physically or filtering 1104 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,160 Speaker 1: through them online. They can actually go through and eliminate 1105 00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:40,160 Speaker 1: properties or check off properties. Um. But then also just 1106 00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:41,800 Speaker 1: kind of keep a list. I mean, if you if 1107 00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:43,920 Speaker 1: you narrow what you want to look at down to 1108 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,360 Speaker 1: three or four or five properties, and you have a checklist, 1109 00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,640 Speaker 1: even in an Excel file or something else, so easy 1110 00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,280 Speaker 1: to go in there and then check off and look 1111 00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:55,760 Speaker 1: at the ones that has hit more criteria than the others, 1112 00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:57,720 Speaker 1: and it would help you choose the property that's best 1113 00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,360 Speaker 1: for you. If you'd like to learn more and to 1114 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,400 Speaker 1: see the properties that Adam currently has listed for sale, 1115 01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:08,480 Speaker 1: visit whitetail properties dot com backslash Hayden that's h A 1116 01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,760 Speaker 1: Y D E N. Yeah, And I think that's all. 1117 01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,959 Speaker 1: I think that's all important, that's all smart like, that's 1118 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,640 Speaker 1: that's that's something I think everyone should be keeping in mind. 1119 01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,280 Speaker 1: So if you do get to go in this weekend, 1120 01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,200 Speaker 1: if if you get the blessing from from the powers 1121 01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:27,320 Speaker 1: to be UM, what's your game plan? Where are you hunting? 1122 01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,080 Speaker 1: What's uh used the observations stand? You have a specific 1123 01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,800 Speaker 1: area already picked out based on do you have some 1124 01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,480 Speaker 1: kind of rationale what you're gonna do? Yeah? Yeah, I 1125 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:41,920 Speaker 1: I have what I feel is a really good area. 1126 01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,760 Speaker 1: So they're betting on these ridges, They're coming off these ridges, 1127 01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,200 Speaker 1: they're following kind of the terrain as a creek flows 1128 01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:52,120 Speaker 1: through and all the all the ridges come down and 1129 01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:57,160 Speaker 1: end in kind of this general area. Really good creek access, right, 1130 01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,560 Speaker 1: I can I can get in the creek and walk 1131 01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:03,440 Speaker 1: to the stand location. And this all is dependent on 1132 01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,600 Speaker 1: what the wind direction is. Right, So if it's like 1133 01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,800 Speaker 1: a straight north wind, I probably can't hunt it because 1134 01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,000 Speaker 1: my wind would blow too hard into where that betting 1135 01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,960 Speaker 1: area is. UM. I doubt we get the weather says 1136 01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,000 Speaker 1: that there's not gonna be any participitation for a while, 1137 01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,040 Speaker 1: So I doubt there's gonna be any type of UM 1138 01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,160 Speaker 1: wind with an east type of wind in it. So 1139 01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:29,520 Speaker 1: I really like this time of year off the betting 1140 01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:33,680 Speaker 1: areas just aways before the staging areas where the deer 1141 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,640 Speaker 1: aren't congregated around you. If they do show up, they 1142 01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,040 Speaker 1: they're walking by you, so there. Then they go into 1143 01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,480 Speaker 1: this staging area, they're hanging out in there, they're already 1144 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:47,400 Speaker 1: past you. And then they go into the the their 1145 01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,600 Speaker 1: food source. So wherever that food sources, it doesn't necessarily 1146 01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,480 Speaker 1: have to be an egg field, but um that betting 1147 01:01:55,280 --> 01:02:00,480 Speaker 1: travel corridor staging area, um uh food source that we 1148 01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:04,120 Speaker 1: kind of talked about. However, on this scenario, that food 1149 01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:09,760 Speaker 1: source is a is a either a clover field or 1150 01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:14,959 Speaker 1: a cornfield. And man, that's that staging area when I 1151 01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,640 Speaker 1: went and hunted it last time was packed, right, I 1152 01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,920 Speaker 1: mean the deer were coming off these ridges left and right. 1153 01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,240 Speaker 1: You know, I saw a really good buck there last time. 1154 01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,440 Speaker 1: And you know, I may need to adjust my stand 1155 01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,920 Speaker 1: location a bit, but I just feel I have really 1156 01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:34,600 Speaker 1: good cover to get into this this little area that's 1157 01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,920 Speaker 1: before the staging area and in between. It's like that 1158 01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:41,120 Speaker 1: travel corridor, a little area between betting and staging. And man, 1159 01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,800 Speaker 1: I think that that's it could be good any time 1160 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,600 Speaker 1: of year, no matter what the weather is or what 1161 01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:50,520 Speaker 1: the temperature is It's just you're you're really close to 1162 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,400 Speaker 1: the betting area. You can get in there and not 1163 01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:55,760 Speaker 1: disturb anything. I already have a stand hung for it, 1164 01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,200 Speaker 1: so I don't know. It's just if they're gonna move, 1165 01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:03,080 Speaker 1: they're gonna move type deal. It sounds pretty good. Yeah, 1166 01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,400 Speaker 1: I'm really good. Yeah. And then and it also depends 1167 01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,000 Speaker 1: on if the crops are up, because if the crops 1168 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,840 Speaker 1: are up in another field, I think I might sit 1169 01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:14,160 Speaker 1: an observation stand and watch what is happening on the 1170 01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,200 Speaker 1: high part of this field, and I'm gonna look down 1171 01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,200 Speaker 1: this buffer strip and see if there's anything crossing, And 1172 01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,880 Speaker 1: if there is, then the next night I'll be in 1173 01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:26,560 Speaker 1: there with a running gun stand wherever that dear crossed 1174 01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:31,480 Speaker 1: if the winds are consistent. I love those kinds of areas. 1175 01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,000 Speaker 1: I love an observation stand type setup like that where 1176 01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,439 Speaker 1: you can just see a long ways and see what's 1177 01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,840 Speaker 1: going on and observe and adjust. That is a fun 1178 01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,720 Speaker 1: way to hunt. I'll tell you what. But here's the problem. 1179 01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:46,560 Speaker 1: Those are good. But what I and I'll tell this 1180 01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,760 Speaker 1: to people as a learning experience, don't sit. If you 1181 01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,560 Speaker 1: see something and it and you see something good, move 1182 01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:57,200 Speaker 1: in on that the very next opportunity you get. Because 1183 01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:00,920 Speaker 1: I used to be in the habit of thinking, okay, 1184 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,080 Speaker 1: two times is a pattern, right, I needed something to 1185 01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,840 Speaker 1: happen two times to be a pattern, so I'll sit it. 1186 01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:11,560 Speaker 1: I would sit an observation area two times in a row. Well, typically, 1187 01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:16,880 Speaker 1: unless it's a south wind, winds don't hold true for 1188 01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,920 Speaker 1: forty eight hours. Right, There's gonna be some kind of 1189 01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,440 Speaker 1: play in them, So that deer could potentially use a 1190 01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:26,360 Speaker 1: different you know, trail or you know pattern to get 1191 01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,640 Speaker 1: from his betting to his food source if that's the 1192 01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:32,160 Speaker 1: hot food source at this time. So don't wait and 1193 01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,960 Speaker 1: hunt that second uh, that second night and do an 1194 01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,520 Speaker 1: observation stand If you see something you want to kill, 1195 01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,840 Speaker 1: you better be in there the next night. But then 1196 01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:43,240 Speaker 1: don't you hate it when you go and move to 1197 01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,400 Speaker 1: the other spot, and then that day you see him 1198 01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,760 Speaker 1: walk by where your standing was. Hey, the buck I 1199 01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:52,560 Speaker 1: killed in in two thousand and twelve. Um, I bet 1200 01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:54,480 Speaker 1: me and my buddy Ryan, he was the camera guy 1201 01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,120 Speaker 1: for me at that time. We tore down and set 1202 01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:02,200 Speaker 1: up within a five acre area probably twelve different times 1203 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,280 Speaker 1: before I killed killed it that I didn't not that 1204 01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:10,040 Speaker 1: buck but before I killed a mature buck. Yeah, that's 1205 01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,120 Speaker 1: a lot. So you gotta I mean, you gotta be 1206 01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,200 Speaker 1: willing to work for it. But if you're looking for 1207 01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:20,240 Speaker 1: like a one to knockout punch, that that can happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1208 01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,760 Speaker 1: that's that's always the rub. And that's something I've struggled with. 1209 01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,400 Speaker 1: Two is it's known when to move and when to wait. 1210 01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:26,960 Speaker 1: And you know, you just never know that when you 1211 01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,240 Speaker 1: when you see something happen, did that is that an anomaly? 1212 01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,720 Speaker 1: Or is that happening for a reason? Or everything happens 1213 01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,880 Speaker 1: for a reason, But does that an anomaly that's not 1214 01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,080 Speaker 1: going to repeat itself or is there something that's going 1215 01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,920 Speaker 1: to repeat itself. I don't know the answer for me, 1216 01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,680 Speaker 1: but I definitely do know that's it's better to to 1217 01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,000 Speaker 1: sometimes make that move than sit and wait and regret it, 1218 01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:50,160 Speaker 1: that's for sure. So I will tell you this, okay, 1219 01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:56,120 Speaker 1: on the days that I sit in observation stand and 1220 01:05:56,520 --> 01:06:01,320 Speaker 1: witness a mature buck or what I'm going to call 1221 01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:05,720 Speaker 1: a shooter in my book, the days that I witness 1222 01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,920 Speaker 1: or from an observation stand witnessed a mature buck moving, 1223 01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:13,360 Speaker 1: and the days that I move in that next day. 1224 01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,320 Speaker 1: I bet you that the success rate of at least 1225 01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:20,000 Speaker 1: seeing him at a closer distance not necessarily harvesting him 1226 01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:21,760 Speaker 1: and killing him and getting him or getting him to 1227 01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:26,280 Speaker 1: come down the right trail, the success rate for me 1228 01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,880 Speaker 1: to just see that buck the next possible day is 1229 01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,080 Speaker 1: higher positive than it is negative, even if it's only 1230 01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:39,320 Speaker 1: like fifty five to We're getting to that time of year. Well, 1231 01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:40,800 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff is gonna happen a lot for 1232 01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:44,560 Speaker 1: a lot of us. Uh, the ramp up is happening. 1233 01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,720 Speaker 1: So you are possibly gonnahunt this weekend and that's like 1234 01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,240 Speaker 1: the like the twenty second or twenty one and twenty 1235 01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:58,040 Speaker 1: seconds this coming weekend, and then the next weekend is 1236 01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:04,200 Speaker 1: what it's a wedding in Minnesota. I haven't hunted that 1237 01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,560 Speaker 1: last weekend in October for like four years and now 1238 01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,840 Speaker 1: that because it's either been trick or treating, gotta go 1239 01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:16,040 Speaker 1: with the kids, or it's been um weddings or something 1240 01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:17,920 Speaker 1: has happened and I don't get to get into that. 1241 01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:20,760 Speaker 1: And that's like one of my favorite times of year. 1242 01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,600 Speaker 1: It's when I start seeing the big boys on their feet, right, 1243 01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,959 Speaker 1: That's when that's when you can do that one rap 1244 01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:32,160 Speaker 1: and you see antlers, you know, turn on a dime 1245 01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,800 Speaker 1: and start walking your way where you rattle at something 1246 01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,880 Speaker 1: and they turn around and come to inspect. Right, they're 1247 01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,320 Speaker 1: not full blown rut crazy, but they're curious. And that's 1248 01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:43,280 Speaker 1: like one of my favorite times a year. Oh yeah, 1249 01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,919 Speaker 1: that's when the magic starts happening a little bit, right, 1250 01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,280 Speaker 1: that's uh. And and not only does the magic start 1251 01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,360 Speaker 1: picking up at that time of year, but also I 1252 01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:54,120 Speaker 1: just looked at the extended forecast and finally we got 1253 01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,040 Speaker 1: some cold weather coming in right with the beginning of 1254 01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,520 Speaker 1: that phase. At least for me in southern Michigan, it's 1255 01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,440 Speaker 1: been like in the set other than today, Today is 1256 01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,720 Speaker 1: actually pretty nice. It's like in the fifties. Um, but 1257 01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:05,360 Speaker 1: then it gets hot again for the next week and 1258 01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,360 Speaker 1: a half into the seventies all the way until next 1259 01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:13,720 Speaker 1: Tuesday and Wednesday, and next Tuesday and Wednesday's is dropping 1260 01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:17,519 Speaker 1: down like the fifties and even maybe like the forties. Finally, 1261 01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:21,000 Speaker 1: like a legitimate cold front coinciding with that last week 1262 01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,280 Speaker 1: of October. So I'm really excited about that because, as 1263 01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:27,479 Speaker 1: you know, as we've talked about, I've been holding off 1264 01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,240 Speaker 1: on hunting Holy Field until that time. Frame and hoping 1265 01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:32,360 Speaker 1: that a cold front would coincide with that time frame. 1266 01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,000 Speaker 1: And it looks like if the if the weather forecast 1267 01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:36,800 Speaker 1: stays true, which you never know if it will, but 1268 01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:40,000 Speaker 1: if it does, I'm going to be super super duper 1269 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:47,599 Speaker 1: pumped for like of next week. Um so I'm jacked. 1270 01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,360 Speaker 1: I need to ask you some questions about this approach 1271 01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:54,120 Speaker 1: to holy Field. If you don't mind, please do Okay, 1272 01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:57,439 Speaker 1: So right now, when was the last time you trick 1273 01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:01,519 Speaker 1: your trail cameras with holy Field? I had picture of 1274 01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:08,520 Speaker 1: Woli fill one. I checked matrail cameras, um this past Friday, 1275 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:13,160 Speaker 1: I think so Friday the Friday checked the trail camera. Okay, 1276 01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:18,840 Speaker 1: any any close to daylight activity? No? No, okay? Uh 1277 01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:20,640 Speaker 1: so he's all He's coming in in the middle of 1278 01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:24,960 Speaker 1: the night, right the only because I've had two daylight 1279 01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,000 Speaker 1: pictures of him in September. Everything else has been the 1280 01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:33,760 Speaker 1: middle of the night. Okay. So last couple of years, 1281 01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:37,559 Speaker 1: when has he started coming? Is he? Is he A? 1282 01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,200 Speaker 1: Is he out of there for morning hunts? I mean 1283 01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:43,080 Speaker 1: our morning hunts? A A no brainer because it sounds 1284 01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,080 Speaker 1: to me like where he's coming is a destination. Right, 1285 01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,360 Speaker 1: So if you were to drive a four wheeler or 1286 01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:50,760 Speaker 1: something in there in the morning, you'd probably bump them 1287 01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:54,599 Speaker 1: out absolutely. Okay, So this is an evening hunt scenario 1288 01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:56,840 Speaker 1: right until the rut, until the rut, and then I 1289 01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,160 Speaker 1: just I couldn't hunt this front area in the mornings 1290 01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:00,720 Speaker 1: in the ruck, but I can hunt other portions of 1291 01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:02,519 Speaker 1: the property in the rut and hope that I could 1292 01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,240 Speaker 1: catch him cruising around off of his you know, just 1293 01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:08,880 Speaker 1: look checking out different betting areas. But the two and 1294 01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,360 Speaker 1: again this farm just like where he lives, and then 1295 01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,519 Speaker 1: how I can hunt it. It's just a very very 1296 01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:15,320 Speaker 1: much so and We've talked about it at length in 1297 01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:18,040 Speaker 1: past years. I'm really really limited. I can hunt like 1298 01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,040 Speaker 1: all I can hunt the field that like, there's there's 1299 01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:23,000 Speaker 1: no I can't get into any of the stuff that 1300 01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,439 Speaker 1: he transitions through. I can't get to where he beds. 1301 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,000 Speaker 1: I can't get into any of that stuff. UM. So, 1302 01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:29,880 Speaker 1: all I've been able to do is try to make 1303 01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,160 Speaker 1: the areas that he might come out to feed a 1304 01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,920 Speaker 1: little bit more appealing. Um And in past years I've 1305 01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,679 Speaker 1: hunted him in mid October, early in mid October, hoping 1306 01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,439 Speaker 1: I would catch him out there in daylight. And I 1307 01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,720 Speaker 1: never did, and so my hypothesis has been that I'm 1308 01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:46,920 Speaker 1: just wasting Maybe I've just been wasting my time and 1309 01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,240 Speaker 1: making it less likely that will ever come out there 1310 01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:51,960 Speaker 1: in late October when he does move in daylight more often. 1311 01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,840 Speaker 1: So my my plan this year has been unless I 1312 01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,639 Speaker 1: get something that tells me I need to change his plan, 1313 01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,000 Speaker 1: like unless I see him in daylight when I'm scouting, 1314 01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,360 Speaker 1: or get daylight pictures of him. If nothing like that happens, 1315 01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:07,960 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be really really patient until his historical 1316 01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,680 Speaker 1: pattern tells me this is when he typically moves more 1317 01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:13,880 Speaker 1: in daylight, and if you hadn't been in there all 1318 01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:16,519 Speaker 1: up until that point, he should move in daylight closer 1319 01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:17,880 Speaker 1: to you even more than you've seen him in the 1320 01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:23,400 Speaker 1: past couple of years. Rights building. Okay, so then have 1321 01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,880 Speaker 1: you have you kind of mapped out or had like 1322 01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:31,040 Speaker 1: an internal conversation with yourself about his his travel patterns 1323 01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,360 Speaker 1: throughout the day when he does hit, like where he's 1324 01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:36,240 Speaker 1: coming in, out, where he's going, and hypothetically what he's 1325 01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:40,080 Speaker 1: doing when he's excuse me, not on your property a little. 1326 01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,280 Speaker 1: I mean, there's only so much I can figure because 1327 01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,519 Speaker 1: of you know, there's only so much that's happening on property. 1328 01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:46,479 Speaker 1: I can run cameras that I can observe, but I 1329 01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:49,400 Speaker 1: have to a degree I know some stuff, um, and 1330 01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:53,080 Speaker 1: I have some theories of of what he's doing, um, 1331 01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,479 Speaker 1: but obviously lots of unknown because I'm just I'm working 1332 01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:59,720 Speaker 1: with a very very tiny sliver of where he's hanging out. Okay, 1333 01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,760 Speaker 1: but I did I did this, I, UM, you know, 1334 01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,679 Speaker 1: I've been running his the trail cameras with Deer Lab 1335 01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,280 Speaker 1: and looking at patterns through that, and then I've also 1336 01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:12,160 Speaker 1: been keeping a journal entry of every single sighting I 1337 01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,439 Speaker 1: have of him. Well, today I went and I combined 1338 01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,360 Speaker 1: those two things together into an Excel spreadsheet. And so 1339 01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,280 Speaker 1: what I did is I took every single daylight data point, 1340 01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,320 Speaker 1: so either in the field observation of him during daylight 1341 01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,920 Speaker 1: or daylight trail camera photo, and I and put that 1342 01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:30,960 Speaker 1: into a spreadsheet. And then I mapped out the location, 1343 01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,040 Speaker 1: whether it was M or PM, what the temperature was, 1344 01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,040 Speaker 1: if this was a cold front sighting, so if this 1345 01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,360 Speaker 1: if this came after a temperature drop of more than 1346 01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:42,240 Speaker 1: ten degrees um, what the wind direction was, what the 1347 01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:45,320 Speaker 1: wind speed was, what the pressure was. Was this on 1348 01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,120 Speaker 1: a red moon day or was this on a moon 1349 01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,479 Speaker 1: on the edges day? So the two theories that some 1350 01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,519 Speaker 1: people talk about is that there's this moon overhead or underfoot. 1351 01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:55,479 Speaker 1: That's the red moon time frame that guys like Adam 1352 01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,920 Speaker 1: Hayes talk about. And then there's some guys who like 1353 01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,800 Speaker 1: to see the moon rising or setting um during the 1354 01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,280 Speaker 1: last hour of daylight the first hour of daylight. So 1355 01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:05,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to see if any of those things correlated 1356 01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:08,160 Speaker 1: with the daylight observations I have of him. So I 1357 01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:12,000 Speaker 1: have fifty four daylight data points to work with from 1358 01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,479 Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen. So there's yeah, there's it's the two 1359 01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:18,240 Speaker 1: other fifteen through now there's been fifty four times either 1360 01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:20,959 Speaker 1: I've seen him or I've gotten a picture of him. 1361 01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,240 Speaker 1: And I'm not counting like you know, if you get it, 1362 01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:25,640 Speaker 1: you know, if you get a burst of three photos 1363 01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,080 Speaker 1: during daylight and then he stays there for another two minutes. 1364 01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:32,920 Speaker 1: I'm only counting one picture from like every day, So 1365 01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:36,080 Speaker 1: fifty four different days that I've either had him seen 1366 01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,800 Speaker 1: or photographed um, and then I like tried to match 1367 01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:41,479 Speaker 1: it against any one of these things. So is there 1368 01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:44,280 Speaker 1: any of these factors that correlate with him being daylight active, 1369 01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,280 Speaker 1: because again, I'm just trying to see is there anyway 1370 01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:49,200 Speaker 1: I can better fine tune when to start going after 1371 01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:51,559 Speaker 1: him or which days to to go to the best spots, 1372 01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:54,479 Speaker 1: just because I think you know last year, right, I 1373 01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:57,000 Speaker 1: saw him a ton, but only a couple of times 1374 01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:59,120 Speaker 1: was he ever actually on the property I could shoot 1375 01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:02,120 Speaker 1: him on. Very often he was just back in the 1376 01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,200 Speaker 1: cover and stuff. So I'm just trying to be really 1377 01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,479 Speaker 1: careful about those times I strike so that there's a 1378 01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:10,000 Speaker 1: little bit better chance that he is in my side. UM. 1379 01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:14,280 Speaker 1: So I found that there wasn't a really strong correlation 1380 01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:18,080 Speaker 1: to the moon at all. UM. Thirteen out of the 1381 01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:22,759 Speaker 1: fifty four daylight data points happened with a red moon. UM. 1382 01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,200 Speaker 1: Twelve of the fifty four happened with the moon on 1383 01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:30,559 Speaker 1: the edges. UM. But if you combine those, so nearly 1384 01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:34,080 Speaker 1: fifty of all of my daily pictures or sightings happened 1385 01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,839 Speaker 1: when there was something moon related that supposedly is supposed 1386 01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:41,160 Speaker 1: to help you. UM. But what I didn't figure out 1387 01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:44,680 Speaker 1: is how many days of the month would have one 1388 01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,680 Speaker 1: of those two factors. So if it's so, if that, 1389 01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:50,439 Speaker 1: do you know what I'm trying to say? So you're Basically, 1390 01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:52,760 Speaker 1: what you're looking for is to narrow down all your 1391 01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:57,080 Speaker 1: UM data point to try to find the highest possibility 1392 01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:02,639 Speaker 1: of an encounter with with him based off daylight intel. Yeah. Yeah, 1393 01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,200 Speaker 1: and maybe maybe there's like something glaringly obvious that I 1394 01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,479 Speaker 1: haven't noticed before, Like I would love to see something 1395 01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:09,960 Speaker 1: like if I had never looked at this in this 1396 01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:12,519 Speaker 1: level of detail, it would be awesome to see. Oh man, 1397 01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:17,679 Speaker 1: if of all my daylight encounters with him happened when 1398 01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:19,880 Speaker 1: you had this red moon thing going on, like whoa, 1399 01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,080 Speaker 1: that's an eye opener. But that I did not find that. 1400 01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:24,559 Speaker 1: But I was hoping to find something like that with 1401 01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:28,760 Speaker 1: something with wind or cold weather or the moon or 1402 01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:32,720 Speaker 1: pressure or something that was the hope or like the 1403 01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,280 Speaker 1: maybe if I find that, that will just help me 1404 01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:39,400 Speaker 1: better inform when to strike in the best spots. Um. 1405 01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,160 Speaker 1: So it does he favor a wind, So that is 1406 01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:44,280 Speaker 1: the biggest thing that he does have a correlation with. 1407 01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:50,479 Speaker 1: Seventy of my sightings or daylight photos of him happened 1408 01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:52,400 Speaker 1: with a westerly wind of some time. Now. That is, 1409 01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:55,720 Speaker 1: we do get more westerly winds than anything. Um So 1410 01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:59,599 Speaker 1: maybe that's just because that's what got But um, but 1411 01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:03,519 Speaker 1: it's used to say, very few pictures or sightings when 1412 01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:07,040 Speaker 1: there was something easterly or straight north or straight south. 1413 01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:10,000 Speaker 1: So that again tells me when I've got those southwest 1414 01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,040 Speaker 1: or northwest winds, you know I shouldn't be trying to 1415 01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,080 Speaker 1: wait for something better. I should I should know that 1416 01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,360 Speaker 1: those are the days when he's seventy five percent the 1417 01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,680 Speaker 1: time almost that's when he's moving. UM. I was surprised 1418 01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:25,200 Speaker 1: to see that only thirty seven percent of these sightings 1419 01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:28,479 Speaker 1: happened with the cold front, So that means seventy or 1420 01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,680 Speaker 1: sixty three percent of the time I was seeing or 1421 01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,639 Speaker 1: observing him UM on a on just a regular day, 1422 01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:37,639 Speaker 1: a non CULD friend day, So that was a little surprising. 1423 01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,720 Speaker 1: Although a lot of that I need to I need 1424 01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:41,880 Speaker 1: to do some further digging in. A ton of those 1425 01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:46,920 Speaker 1: have been in December. Um. He just becomes disproportionately daylight 1426 01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:52,759 Speaker 1: active in my spots in December. UM. I don't know 1427 01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:54,760 Speaker 1: exactly why that is. Maybe it's just because I've got 1428 01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:57,400 Speaker 1: the best late season food. But man, if I don't 1429 01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:00,760 Speaker 1: if he, if he someone makes it through October and 1430 01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,920 Speaker 1: November into December, he's just ridiculously killable in my in 1431 01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:07,800 Speaker 1: my area, Like I mean, day after day after day 1432 01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:11,479 Speaker 1: after day and daylight active. Um, but I would really 1433 01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,840 Speaker 1: like to kill him before then. So so I'm just 1434 01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:16,760 Speaker 1: gonna I was just gonna say. So there weren't any 1435 01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:20,080 Speaker 1: really big aha moments out of the analysis. It's interesting 1436 01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:21,960 Speaker 1: to see. I'm gonna continue to kind of pass through 1437 01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:23,519 Speaker 1: it and see if there's any you know, as I 1438 01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,880 Speaker 1: filtered by different variables a little bit differently. Um, and 1439 01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,000 Speaker 1: you know, it might be interesting to see. Okay, at 1440 01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:33,240 Speaker 1: this one front food plot area in October and November, 1441 01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:38,040 Speaker 1: how do these things then look? So that might maybe 1442 01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,839 Speaker 1: there'll be different factors there. Maybe in October and November 1443 01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,639 Speaker 1: at this one location. Maybe he only moves up there 1444 01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:48,160 Speaker 1: when there's a certain wind direction or a certain moon 1445 01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:50,880 Speaker 1: or something like that. Um. I don't know, but I'm 1446 01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:54,400 Speaker 1: just trying to it's interesting if nothing else, um, and 1447 01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:59,000 Speaker 1: maybe it would maybe it could help me. Okay, the 1448 01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:03,280 Speaker 1: property that he lives on that you do not have 1449 01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:09,680 Speaker 1: access to. Are these people other active bow hunters? Um? 1450 01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,960 Speaker 1: Not very active? No, they don't hunt very often. I 1451 01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:17,599 Speaker 1: don't Yeah, Okay, I hope they don't become active, right, 1452 01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:23,920 Speaker 1: So selfish is there? I mean do you ever play 1453 01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:27,479 Speaker 1: the game, like if I could hunt where, if you 1454 01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,960 Speaker 1: could hunt this little air you know, the next property 1455 01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:31,840 Speaker 1: over where you would put a tree stand in. I've 1456 01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:33,960 Speaker 1: thought about all the time. Okay, I said there all 1457 01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,439 Speaker 1: the time, and the only could be over there. So 1458 01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:42,160 Speaker 1: have you when you talk with this landowner? What do 1459 01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:45,360 Speaker 1: they say to you? What? What? What are they? I mean, 1460 01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:47,400 Speaker 1: are you in constant communication with him? Do you talk 1461 01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:50,920 Speaker 1: with them? Do they know that the story of this buck? Um? 1462 01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:54,920 Speaker 1: Do they know anything? Uh? No, I kind of keep it, 1463 01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:57,360 Speaker 1: you know, we keep relatively private. We talked every once 1464 01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:00,280 Speaker 1: in a while. Um, really really nice people. Um. But 1465 01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:02,920 Speaker 1: they they're not in the area, so they don't they're 1466 01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:09,000 Speaker 1: not around very often. Um. But you know, I don't know, 1467 01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:13,640 Speaker 1: have you ever have you ever thought about just saying, hey, UM, 1468 01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:16,599 Speaker 1: do you mind if I hunt your property just this 1469 01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:19,000 Speaker 1: weekend and kind of correlate that with a cold front 1470 01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:21,280 Speaker 1: or you know, do a running gun in there or 1471 01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:27,800 Speaker 1: something and just ask for one day? Yeah, you know, 1472 01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:35,080 Speaker 1: I thought about it, um, but ultimately I decided that, um, 1473 01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,240 Speaker 1: that it's not the right thing to do. I don't 1474 01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:40,960 Speaker 1: want to push things too far. Like they're really nice people, um. 1475 01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,479 Speaker 1: Uh they've allowed me to do something that let me 1476 01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:46,240 Speaker 1: shed hunt out there. Um. They've been okay with me 1477 01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:50,000 Speaker 1: tracking deer out there, things like that. UM. But I've 1478 01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:53,080 Speaker 1: always worried I don't want to push it too far. UM. 1479 01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,320 Speaker 1: And I felt like that might be no, not say 1480 01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:56,800 Speaker 1: that I never will. And maybe if it comes up 1481 01:19:56,840 --> 01:20:00,320 Speaker 1: in conversation um, or if they were to say we're 1482 01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:03,200 Speaker 1: not gonna be around at all in November, um, and 1483 01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:04,599 Speaker 1: then it might be what would you care if I've 1484 01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,800 Speaker 1: every went in there? But I've just um, I've been 1485 01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,320 Speaker 1: the type too always in this kind of situation, like 1486 01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:12,680 Speaker 1: there's a line somewhere, and I've kind of drawn that 1487 01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:16,720 Speaker 1: line there, maybe falsely, um, but but that's where things 1488 01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:19,800 Speaker 1: are right now of the relationship. Got you, got you? 1489 01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:22,040 Speaker 1: So I don't know. Well, the good The good thing 1490 01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:25,000 Speaker 1: is it doesn't sound like anybody else's is over there 1491 01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:28,639 Speaker 1: hunting that property, which is why he's still alive. Yeah, 1492 01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:30,519 Speaker 1: there there are some other guys that hunt like on 1493 01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,719 Speaker 1: the edges of it around it, um, that know about 1494 01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:37,519 Speaker 1: the deer, so that he he certainly could get killed 1495 01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,400 Speaker 1: because there's there are this person like isn't this this 1496 01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:43,360 Speaker 1: area or this specific little spot isn't getting hunted a lot. 1497 01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:45,640 Speaker 1: But there's a bunch of people around the periphery that 1498 01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:49,000 Speaker 1: are that do know about the deer um that I 1499 01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,960 Speaker 1: think probably are after him or in that area, So 1500 01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:55,320 Speaker 1: he's certainly not safe. Do you think that any of 1501 01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,680 Speaker 1: the people are hunting this deer because you've put this 1502 01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:02,920 Speaker 1: story out there? Yes, okay, I do know that there 1503 01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:05,599 Speaker 1: are some people who know of this dear because of 1504 01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:10,280 Speaker 1: my because of word hunt. Um, so that makes things 1505 01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:17,519 Speaker 1: interesting to you know, Oh yeah, yeah it is. Yeah, 1506 01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:19,640 Speaker 1: So you know, what can you do. Everyone's got a 1507 01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,320 Speaker 1: right to hunt these deer everyone. I hope everyone is 1508 01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,120 Speaker 1: a good time. And you know I would if someone 1509 01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:27,400 Speaker 1: else kills him, good for them. I'll be you know, 1510 01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:30,040 Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be personally bummed but happy for that 1511 01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:34,280 Speaker 1: person to Um. But you know two things. Number One, 1512 01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,599 Speaker 1: I'm running late because I I'm supposed to be heading 1513 01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:41,360 Speaker 1: into hunts in public land tonight. Again, that's right, so 1514 01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:45,400 Speaker 1: I don't want to go too much longer. But um, 1515 01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:47,759 Speaker 1: but I did check those TROLD cameras like I told you, 1516 01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,640 Speaker 1: and did finally get some pictures of him where you 1517 01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:52,960 Speaker 1: can see him face first, like head on. I don't 1518 01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:54,600 Speaker 1: know if you saw the pictures I posted online, I 1519 01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:57,599 Speaker 1: don't remember if I sent it to you or not. Um, 1520 01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:59,280 Speaker 1: but he kind of just looks like he always has. 1521 01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,840 Speaker 1: He has not grown very much. Um, he's maybe a 1522 01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,720 Speaker 1: little bit wider, got a big old body of him, 1523 01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:08,840 Speaker 1: but his body, his body is noticeably bigger man I think, Yep, 1524 01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,840 Speaker 1: he's definitely, definitely a nice, big old mature warrior. He's 1525 01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:14,400 Speaker 1: got you know, his his telltale chunk missing out of 1526 01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,240 Speaker 1: his one ear, and then I know it's on close 1527 01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,519 Speaker 1: ups his other ear. He's got two notches out of 1528 01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:21,040 Speaker 1: his other ear too, smaller ones. But when you see 1529 01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:22,600 Speaker 1: a couple of the pictures that are up close, you 1530 01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:25,200 Speaker 1: can see these little knocks out of there. So you know, 1531 01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:27,320 Speaker 1: between that, between the three chunks out of his ears 1532 01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:30,120 Speaker 1: and he lost part of his main beam last year, 1533 01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:34,160 Speaker 1: he seems to be a fighter of a sort. So, um, 1534 01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:38,040 Speaker 1: you know, he's a buck that I wonder what he 1535 01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:39,800 Speaker 1: I wonder what kind of impact he has in the 1536 01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,599 Speaker 1: general area, because I'm not getting like any other mature 1537 01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:46,360 Speaker 1: bucks at all on camera, um or even seeing other 1538 01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:50,960 Speaker 1: mature bucks in past years. In the last three years, really, um, 1539 01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:52,639 Speaker 1: you know, saw something like maybe a three year old. 1540 01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:55,479 Speaker 1: But um, but that's it, And so it makes you wonder, 1541 01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,280 Speaker 1: is he like one of those bully bucks who's just 1542 01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:00,799 Speaker 1: like really dominant, keeps other air side of the area. 1543 01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:03,280 Speaker 1: And I wonder if, if ever I do kill him, 1544 01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:05,840 Speaker 1: if if the dynamic in the area will change because 1545 01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:09,800 Speaker 1: of that. Um, So that would be interesting to see. Two. Yeah, 1546 01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:14,840 Speaker 1: I've I've had that experience happened firsthand, and have talked 1547 01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:18,280 Speaker 1: with other guys. Where a buck like that gets killed, 1548 01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:21,519 Speaker 1: he's been dominant in that area for years. Your area 1549 01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:27,160 Speaker 1: becomes a vacuum and it just sucks all the other 1550 01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:30,160 Speaker 1: deer into it. There's a there's a jostling for position 1551 01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:33,360 Speaker 1: again for for dominance, and then there's an increase in 1552 01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:36,760 Speaker 1: buck activity. Yeah, that's that's what I think might happen too. 1553 01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,759 Speaker 1: So I hope that I can see what that looks 1554 01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,200 Speaker 1: like because I was the one to have killed holy 1555 01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:45,200 Speaker 1: Field and close it out. But yeah, the game plan 1556 01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:47,519 Speaker 1: as far as now, since I'm not getting any daylight photos, 1557 01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,400 Speaker 1: since I'm not seeing him when I'm scouting from my 1558 01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:53,000 Speaker 1: little hill, is um that I'm gonna wait till that 1559 01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:56,920 Speaker 1: cold front comes and you know, sex somewhere around that 1560 01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,400 Speaker 1: time frame, and then I'm gonna be hunting him pretty 1561 01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:03,440 Speaker 1: hard from that point through the first week of November. UM. 1562 01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:05,280 Speaker 1: And we've talked about throughout the year. I put up 1563 01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,120 Speaker 1: a bunch of different stands up this year to try 1564 01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:10,320 Speaker 1: to take advantage of some running activity that I didn't 1565 01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,080 Speaker 1: in the past. I didn't have stands back in this 1566 01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,240 Speaker 1: one chunk of timber that I can hunt, and so 1567 01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,120 Speaker 1: I never really knew maybe he was going back in 1568 01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:18,040 Speaker 1: there during the rut. So I've got stands for that. 1569 01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:21,760 Speaker 1: I've been much more careful about these front kind of 1570 01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:25,320 Speaker 1: food areas I've been staying out, so hopefully you know, 1571 01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,680 Speaker 1: when I do start hunting, they're gonna be full of 1572 01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:29,840 Speaker 1: dos and he's gonna come in and check those doughs 1573 01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:33,320 Speaker 1: instead of last year, where by the time he started 1574 01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,479 Speaker 1: moving in daylight, the doughs weren't coming to the food. 1575 01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:38,400 Speaker 1: Plus because I hunted three weekends in a row. UM, 1576 01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,840 Speaker 1: so some hoping for all those kinds of things. And 1577 01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:44,120 Speaker 1: in between now and then, I'm gonna hunt, keep hunting 1578 01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:46,640 Speaker 1: this public land and hunt some other private parcels I 1579 01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:50,000 Speaker 1: have permission on around the state. UM. I never told 1580 01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,320 Speaker 1: you about my public land hunt last week. That was 1581 01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:58,960 Speaker 1: just a debacle and a half. Yeah, I mean like 1582 01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:01,160 Speaker 1: it was awesome set up, Like I was really happy 1583 01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:02,880 Speaker 1: when I got in there. It looked really good, you know. 1584 01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:04,800 Speaker 1: I think I told you this is that buck bed 1585 01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:07,479 Speaker 1: I'd found in the summer and got set up in 1586 01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:09,799 Speaker 1: between it coming off this little island and a swamp, 1587 01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:12,080 Speaker 1: and I thought I could catch something transitioning out to 1588 01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:15,879 Speaker 1: these ridges covering oak trees. I was right about everything 1589 01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:17,439 Speaker 1: as far as like what was going on in there, 1590 01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:21,720 Speaker 1: like literally just like a floor of acorns, so many 1591 01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:25,280 Speaker 1: acorns is nuts, so tons and tons of food in there. Um. 1592 01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:27,040 Speaker 1: And it was raining and wet, and I got in 1593 01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:29,840 Speaker 1: there really good and quiet set up. I felt really good, um, 1594 01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,840 Speaker 1: but didn't end up seen a single deer, so I 1595 01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,360 Speaker 1: was disappointing. It could have been because the rain and 1596 01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:37,920 Speaker 1: the wind was supposed to taper off into the evening 1597 01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:39,679 Speaker 1: hours and by the last hour or two was supposed 1598 01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:41,680 Speaker 1: to calm down and and kind of chill out, and 1599 01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:43,840 Speaker 1: I thought they'd be up and moving then, but it 1600 01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:45,840 Speaker 1: kept on, like the wind kept howling and the rain 1601 01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:47,800 Speaker 1: kept prn So I wonder if maybe that just kept 1602 01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:51,160 Speaker 1: him down a little bit longer I don't know. Um. 1603 01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:53,400 Speaker 1: But the debacle was trying to get out of there, 1604 01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:57,519 Speaker 1: because to get back into this spot, like it is 1605 01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:01,639 Speaker 1: a long walk, it is really hilly, is really thick. Um. 1606 01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:03,519 Speaker 1: So getting in there I found like an old deer 1607 01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:05,320 Speaker 1: trail kind of deal that I was able to follow 1608 01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:08,439 Speaker 1: through some of these brush and briers and different things. Um, 1609 01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:10,200 Speaker 1: and you're growing up and down and through all sorts 1610 01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:11,960 Speaker 1: of crap. But at times I was like crawling on 1611 01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:15,240 Speaker 1: all fours for long portions of time to get through stuff. Um. 1612 01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:18,400 Speaker 1: But I was able to get there, okay. But when 1613 01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:20,720 Speaker 1: I was trying to get out after dark, you know, 1614 01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:22,920 Speaker 1: when you can't see anything other than what it's right 1615 01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:24,639 Speaker 1: in front of your face and the headlamp, you can't 1616 01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:27,120 Speaker 1: see where the openings are, or where a path might be, 1617 01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,800 Speaker 1: or the best way to get through an area. So 1618 01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:32,120 Speaker 1: all I had was like my phone with Google Maps up, 1619 01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:33,560 Speaker 1: trying to like, okay, I know I need to have 1620 01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:35,479 Speaker 1: that direction, and I just kind of would go on 1621 01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:38,120 Speaker 1: a straight line and I couldn't get out of the place. 1622 01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:40,360 Speaker 1: Like I walked in circles for like over an hour 1623 01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:43,960 Speaker 1: hour and a half, probably like running into just walls, 1624 01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:47,360 Speaker 1: like impenetrable walls of crap everywhere, and I was falling 1625 01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:49,880 Speaker 1: over dead falls. I rolled down a hill once. I've 1626 01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,799 Speaker 1: got these huge bruises on my leg from taking a tumble. 1627 01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:57,400 Speaker 1: Um again, I was like crawling through stuff. Um, And 1628 01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:59,160 Speaker 1: I got to the point, like people talk about when 1629 01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:01,360 Speaker 1: you get lost in people panic and start like just 1630 01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:04,000 Speaker 1: running around like a crazy person. I was getting so 1631 01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:06,200 Speaker 1: frustrated that I was just like just I would just 1632 01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,519 Speaker 1: put my head down and just like plow through stuff. 1633 01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:11,559 Speaker 1: And it was raining and had scratches all over my face. 1634 01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:14,479 Speaker 1: My phone fell out in my pocket at one point 1635 01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:16,760 Speaker 1: when I was crawling, and and literally, if I did 1636 01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:18,920 Speaker 1: lose my phone, I would have been stuck up there overnight. 1637 01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,400 Speaker 1: Like literally, I was just walking in circles without the phone, 1638 01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:23,120 Speaker 1: There's no way I would have got out. So I 1639 01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:26,519 Speaker 1: had to just crawl around for several minutes, like just 1640 01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:29,080 Speaker 1: looking through all the brush and picking up all the leaves, 1641 01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:32,480 Speaker 1: trying to find my stupid phone. I finally did find it, 1642 01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:37,000 Speaker 1: but oh my gosh, it was so bad. So tonight 1643 01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:40,719 Speaker 1: I'm going back in there, um, but I'm gonna mark 1644 01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,120 Speaker 1: my tracks, like with my phone. I'm gonna measure the 1645 01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:45,240 Speaker 1: actual path I take it, or like you know, GPS 1646 01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:47,600 Speaker 1: track the actual path so then I can follow the 1647 01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:50,120 Speaker 1: actual path all the way back out and hopefully have 1648 01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:53,040 Speaker 1: a better walk back to the truck. And it was 1649 01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:57,000 Speaker 1: it was so so bad. I got back bruise and 1650 01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:01,200 Speaker 1: bloody and soaking wet and piste off and it wasn't good. 1651 01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:07,280 Speaker 1: So well, good luck, man. I'm I just I don't know, 1652 01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:09,640 Speaker 1: it's in our blood, you know, you just want to 1653 01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:11,840 Speaker 1: be out there all the time. Now this year, I 1654 01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,080 Speaker 1: mean it's we wait for it and we wait for 1655 01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:15,640 Speaker 1: it and wait for it. Man. I just I just 1656 01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:21,040 Speaker 1: want to be in a tree stand period. Um, I'm 1657 01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:23,160 Speaker 1: right there with you. It's feeling like it like yesterday 1658 01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:27,439 Speaker 1: and today feels like good hunt weather. Um, it's that 1659 01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:29,559 Speaker 1: time year, the time of years coming up quick, So 1660 01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:32,799 Speaker 1: I got one last question for you know then the 1661 01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:35,839 Speaker 1: ruts up coming up, the grind is about to start. 1662 01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:40,879 Speaker 1: Do you feel like have you ever hit a point 1663 01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:46,599 Speaker 1: of almost like complete exhaustion or um, you know, like 1664 01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:52,080 Speaker 1: mentally fatigued, maybe thinking about giving up or taking a 1665 01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:55,720 Speaker 1: day off when the weather's good or or something like that. 1666 01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:58,920 Speaker 1: Have you ever hit that point of just like I 1667 01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:01,000 Speaker 1: don't know, so we'll like it. It's playing a game 1668 01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,479 Speaker 1: with your head. Oh yeah, I've had that happen during 1669 01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:05,759 Speaker 1: the rut. For sure. You don't want it to happen, 1670 01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:08,679 Speaker 1: but it does. It does happen. And I think every 1671 01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:11,120 Speaker 1: year I'm always challenging myself to do a better job 1672 01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:15,280 Speaker 1: of pushing through those those periods. Um but it's I 1673 01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:18,120 Speaker 1: think that's pretty human. I gotta believe, especially if you're 1674 01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:20,479 Speaker 1: if you're if you're the type that does marathon it 1675 01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:22,360 Speaker 1: and you push and you hunt a ton during that 1676 01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:26,200 Speaker 1: time period, it's natural, I think, to to get fatigued, 1677 01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:29,120 Speaker 1: to get worn out, and I don't know, some guys say, 1678 01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:30,880 Speaker 1: I've heard some people say, you know what, when you 1679 01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,080 Speaker 1: get to that point and you're feeling totally worn down 1680 01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:35,120 Speaker 1: and you're losing like the edge and the fun in it, 1681 01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:37,439 Speaker 1: and you're just whooped, sometimes it is good to take 1682 01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:40,400 Speaker 1: a morning or day off and just like let yourself recoup, 1683 01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:43,240 Speaker 1: because then when you get back to it, then you recharge, 1684 01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:45,840 Speaker 1: re energize, and you're more effective for the remaining days. 1685 01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:48,000 Speaker 1: Or then the other side, some guys say, no, you 1686 01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:50,360 Speaker 1: gotta push through because that day you take off, that 1687 01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,000 Speaker 1: could be the only day that you would have had 1688 01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:55,360 Speaker 1: the opportunity. Um So, I don't know what the right 1689 01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:58,360 Speaker 1: answer is, but um, I try to push as hard 1690 01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:02,080 Speaker 1: as I can. Yeah. So I'm I'm excited the marathon. 1691 01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:04,519 Speaker 1: The grind for me is going to start the middle 1692 01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:07,000 Speaker 1: of next week and it's just gonna be game time 1693 01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:10,120 Speaker 1: for for three weeks. So are you are you going to? Uh? 1694 01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:12,320 Speaker 1: When are you hit in Ohio? Man? I don't know. 1695 01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:15,479 Speaker 1: I maybe maybe would do that in between now and then. 1696 01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:17,880 Speaker 1: Um just there's been no good weather down there. I've 1697 01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:21,880 Speaker 1: just been waiting on that. Um But I don't know, 1698 01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:23,639 Speaker 1: I just have we we don't have as much going 1699 01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:25,640 Speaker 1: on down there's in past years. Like there's not a 1700 01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:28,599 Speaker 1: deer that I've been hunting for multiple years. There isn't 1701 01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:32,559 Speaker 1: like something that I'm like overly like stoked about. It's 1702 01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:34,559 Speaker 1: um so, it's just when we get down there, we'll 1703 01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:36,160 Speaker 1: get down there. I'm sure it'll be great. I hope 1704 01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:39,400 Speaker 1: it'll be great. Um. I've just been kind of probably 1705 01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:43,240 Speaker 1: overly focused on Holy Field and everything, so I haven't 1706 01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:46,120 Speaker 1: spent as much time like internally in my head thinking 1707 01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:47,760 Speaker 1: about what's going on down there. But I need to 1708 01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:50,160 Speaker 1: get down there and figure it out and get after it. 1709 01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:53,679 Speaker 1: So and then North Dakota at some point again, right, yeah, 1710 01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:55,640 Speaker 1: that's that's the whole other things. I gotta figure out 1711 01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:58,040 Speaker 1: when to fit in that trip. So in a in 1712 01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:00,639 Speaker 1: a perfect world, if in a off it world, if 1713 01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:02,880 Speaker 1: next week I get the cold Front conditions line up, 1714 01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:05,880 Speaker 1: I go into one of these spots kill holy Field. 1715 01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:09,559 Speaker 1: You know, if that could happen, then I've got like 1716 01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:12,040 Speaker 1: two and a half three weeks where all I need 1717 01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:14,880 Speaker 1: to do or that, you know, I could do hunt 1718 01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:16,760 Speaker 1: Ohio or and go to North Dakota. So I would 1719 01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:18,479 Speaker 1: probably go ahead and take a week long trip to 1720 01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:21,439 Speaker 1: North Dakota during that time period, hunts in public land, 1721 01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:23,599 Speaker 1: and then come back and do a week in Ohio. 1722 01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:26,640 Speaker 1: But the holy Field thing is just gonna take up 1723 01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:30,040 Speaker 1: take precedence over all those things until that comes to 1724 01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:34,120 Speaker 1: some kind of conclusion. So right right, But yeah, to 1725 01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:36,880 Speaker 1: your point, I'm ready getting a tree and like really 1726 01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:41,400 Speaker 1: get after it. So I suppose on that front, I 1727 01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:43,920 Speaker 1: should we should shut this down so I can go 1728 01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:46,439 Speaker 1: get in a tree. That's right. Well, good luck, man, 1729 01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:50,160 Speaker 1: and keep me posted. Thanks dude, you too, Hope you're 1730 01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:52,240 Speaker 1: able to get out in the woods. This weekend, your 1731 01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:54,599 Speaker 1: pregnant wife gonna be able to drag a deer? Help 1732 01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:57,320 Speaker 1: you drag a deer? You know, she probably would if 1733 01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:01,160 Speaker 1: I really wanted to, but I'll call one of my 1734 01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:04,479 Speaker 1: buddies instead. She's been a trooper, though she's been a 1735 01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:09,160 Speaker 1: real trooper. She's doing she's handled really well. And um, 1736 01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:10,840 Speaker 1: I told her the story that he's told me the 1737 01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:13,559 Speaker 1: other day about how Mac is waking up at four 1738 01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:15,920 Speaker 1: thirty every morning and just pressing on your face over 1739 01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:18,920 Speaker 1: and over till you wake up. I'm like, that's that's 1740 01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:23,680 Speaker 1: gonna be our future, honey. So we're gonna enjoy these 1741 01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:26,800 Speaker 1: few more months of quiet while we got it. And 1742 01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:31,400 Speaker 1: then the SHI phone, all right, man, let's shut this 1743 01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:34,280 Speaker 1: one down. I'm gonna go hunting, and then hopefully it's 1744 01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:38,280 Speaker 1: a good story until next time. And that is a 1745 01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:41,920 Speaker 1: rap for episode number one seventies seven. Um, a couple 1746 01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:45,200 Speaker 1: quick reminders. Number one, if you haven't been listening to 1747 01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:48,839 Speaker 1: our radio episodes, which are you know, a regular episode 1748 01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:51,040 Speaker 1: of Wired Hunts coming out every week, but we're now 1749 01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:52,880 Speaker 1: doing two episodes a week, so you get your episode 1750 01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:55,599 Speaker 1: that you just heard now plus a RUT radio episode. 1751 01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:57,799 Speaker 1: And let's come out every Wednesday. Make sure you're listening 1752 01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:01,120 Speaker 1: to those because in those episodes, we are getting real 1753 01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:04,599 Speaker 1: time updates from different hunters across the country in different 1754 01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:07,880 Speaker 1: states about what's happening right now in the woods, what 1755 01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:10,000 Speaker 1: kind of dear behavior is seeing, what kind of dear activity, 1756 01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:12,120 Speaker 1: what kind of running activity might be picking up, and 1757 01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:14,479 Speaker 1: then what kinds of tactics are actually working right now 1758 01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:18,080 Speaker 1: in these different places. So it's really helpful information, it's 1759 01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:20,800 Speaker 1: real time. It can help you in your hunt's right now. 1760 01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:24,360 Speaker 1: So don't miss those episodes, and i'd probably recommend listen 1761 01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:27,040 Speaker 1: those first. As soon as those come out, listen to 1762 01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:30,320 Speaker 1: them because it can help you now. UM number two 1763 01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:32,640 Speaker 1: haven't mentioned this in a little while, but if you 1764 01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:35,680 Speaker 1: haven't yet left or rating or review on iTunes for 1765 01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:38,439 Speaker 1: the Wired Hunt podcast, we would really appreciate that it 1766 01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:42,080 Speaker 1: does make a difference. It is helpful. Thank you for that. Um. 1767 01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:44,400 Speaker 1: Speaking of ways you can show your support if you 1768 01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:46,520 Speaker 1: would like to, we do have a lot of merchandise 1769 01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:51,320 Speaker 1: available Wired Hunt hats and shirts and stickers. That's awesome 1770 01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:52,680 Speaker 1: if you can pick up some of those things, that 1771 01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:55,680 Speaker 1: really helps us out. It supports the podcast and you know, 1772 01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:58,680 Speaker 1: it's great. You can rep your you're being a part 1773 01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:00,920 Speaker 1: of the Wired Hunt Nation, so thanks in advance if 1774 01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:03,519 Speaker 1: you do that. Um and finally, I just want to 1775 01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:06,320 Speaker 1: thank our partners who helped make this podcast possible as well. 1776 01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:10,080 Speaker 1: So big thanks to sit Gear, Yetdie Cooler's, Matthew's Archery, 1777 01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:13,320 Speaker 1: Maven Optics, the White Tailed Institute of North America, Trophy 1778 01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:16,720 Speaker 1: Ridge and Hunt Terra Maps, and finally, big things to 1779 01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:19,439 Speaker 1: all of you out there listening. I appreciate you tuning in, 1780 01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:23,760 Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Good things coming ahead here in the 1781 01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:25,519 Speaker 1: hunting season, so I hope you're all gonna be able 1782 01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:27,120 Speaker 1: to spend some time in the woods. I wish you 1783 01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:30,920 Speaker 1: luck out there, and I hope you'll stay wired to Hunt.