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Speaker 1: Happy Monday. We have an amazing show up everybody today.

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Speaker 1: What do we have, Crystal? Indeed, we do a number

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Speaker 1: So we'll give you the details there, lots of court analysts,

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Speaker 1: with the Cuomo brothers. Yes, oh, this is just so

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Speaker 1: much crystal. It gave us great joy. Off Kyle of course,

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Speaker 1: we reported to everybody that Chris Cuomo was indefinitely suspended

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Speaker 1: him unceremoniously. The best part is Jim Acosta was forced

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Speaker 1: to you right now about CNN anchor Chris Cuomo. Earlier

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Speaker 1: this week, Cuomo was suspended from CNN after documents revealed

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Speaker 1: we should point out, has now been terminated here at CNN.

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Speaker 1: I want to get to see now, there you go.

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Speaker 1: So all of his protestations about oh, it was it's

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Speaker 1: same time, she is not the person I would have chosen,

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Speaker 1: or anybody would have chosen in order to run and

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Speaker 1: try and prevail in that type of environment. So the

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Speaker 1: wins are really against both of these candidates, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's more about who's going to do the most

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Speaker 1: harm to them personally Trump, because I think he's just

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Speaker 1: so noxious and odious to so many people that that

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Speaker 1: will keep them from turning out to vote, which could

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Speaker 1: move in a one percent margin election in Abrams. But look,

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Speaker 1: the likely favorite is probably whoever wins Republican primary, which

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Speaker 1: is probably David Purdue. Yeah, sad in my opinion that

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Speaker 1: you can endorse this nonsense and still get elected just

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Speaker 1: because people hate Joe Biden so much. But that's more

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Speaker 1: of an indictment of Joe Biden. Yeah, I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: if we just think about it, taking all of those

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Speaker 1: election year for Democrats and Stacy Abrams still lost. Now

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Speaker 1: she's going to be going up against you know, either

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Speaker 1: Purdue or potentially Kemp is the incumbent, so that gives

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Speaker 1: him an advantage. But even if it's perdue, twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: two is not going to be a good year for Democrats.

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Speaker 1: So when you just compare, so much of what we've

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Speaker 1: of these individual factors, sadly actually weigh a lot less

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Speaker 1: than whatever the national mood is. It politics are so

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Speaker 1: national now candidate quality, whether we like Stacy Abrams or

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Speaker 1: hater like Kemp or Purdue or hate them, it's so

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Speaker 1: much more about what the national mood is. And Virginia,

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Speaker 1: a state that Biden won by ten points, has just

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Speaker 1: been won by Republicans. Now they ran a good race

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Speaker 1: and Trump stayed out of it, and all those things.

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Speaker 1: Georgia is already a much more difficult climb for Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Virginia is effectively a blue state at this point. Georgia

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Speaker 1: is not Georgia. You would still have to say is

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Speaker 1: a red state that is trending towards Democrats, but it's

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Speaker 1: not there yet. So it would require an extraordinary year

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Speaker 1: and an extraordinary performance by Stacy Abrams. Is twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: two likely to provide that kind of landscape for her

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Speaker 1: very doubtful. The only chance that they have is that

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Speaker 1: Trump just makes it so toxic for suburbanites that they

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Speaker 1: you know, I could see them very much splitting their ticket,

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Speaker 1: but I think that national wins or what you would

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Speaker 1: be most likely to bet on in Georgia, So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: That's why this contest is so interesting. What happens to

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Speaker 1: the Republican primary? What does the influence of Trump look like?

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Speaker 1: How do the national wins? How are the national wins

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two? Is there any room to escape

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Speaker 1: the nationalizing of every single race if you have Trump

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Speaker 1: coming in and being a noxious force and turning off

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Speaker 1: a lot of voters. So those are some of the

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Speaker 1: questions that we're going to be exploring there. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: right at the same time, something that may be shaping

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Speaker 1: the political landscape come at exactly that time. Yeah, com

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Speaker 1: election time is whatever the Supreme Court decides to do

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Speaker 1: about Roe versus Wade. So let's go ahead and throw

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Speaker 1: this Vice tear sheet up on the screen. As you

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Speaker 1: guys probably know, the court heard oral arguments last week

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Speaker 1: about it's a Mississippi case that was I mean, it

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Speaker 1: was intentionally engineered to get to the Supreme Court and

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Speaker 1: challenge the legitimacy of Row versus Wade. Effectively, most court

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Speaker 1: watchers listening to the arguments felt very confident that it

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Speaker 1: was likely Row versus Wade was likely to be overturned.

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Speaker 1: This particular legal scholar says one million percent chance Roe v.

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Speaker 1: Wade is overturned. One million. I can't emphasize that enough.

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Speaker 1: Another individual analyst that Vice interviewed here pegged it at

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Speaker 1: seventy percent. And this person, Jesse Hill, said that before

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Speaker 1: they listened to oral arguments, they said about forty percent

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Speaker 1: because the kind of reading of the court was they'll

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Speaker 1: try to come up with some more compromised position that

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Speaker 1: Roberts seems still to be reaching for around maybe where

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Speaker 1: the viability is at twenty four weeks. Maybe they moved

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Speaker 1: that back or change that standard, but after listening to

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Speaker 1: the arguments this watcher moved their percentage from forty percent

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Speaker 1: people's eyes. One of them was that just as Kavanaugh

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Speaker 1: rattled off a list of a bunch of cases where

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Speaker 1: Scotus had overturned past settled precedent, because this had always

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Speaker 1: been the argument of like, this is precedent, you can't

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Speaker 1: mess with this. We're talking about scorty years. Sorry, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about decades now where Roe versus Wade has

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Speaker 1: been the law of the land. All of our sort

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Speaker 1: of law, everything has been shaped around that precedent. So

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Speaker 1: to go and overturn that, oftentimes the court is reluctant

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Speaker 1: to do that. So the fact that Kavanaugh went out

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Speaker 1: and rattled off this list of instances when precedents had

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Speaker 1: been overturned and said, I have a quote from him.

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Speaker 1: He says, if we think that the prior precedents are

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Speaker 1: seriously wrong. If that, why then doesn't the history of

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Speaker 1: this court's practice with respect to those cases tell us

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Speaker 1: what the right answer is? That it's actually a return

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Speaker 1: to the position of neutrality code for basically, states decide

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Speaker 1: what they want to do and not stick with those

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Speaker 1: precedents in the same way that all those other cases didn't.

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Speaker 1: Amy Coney Barrett also seemed to be very much, you know,

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Speaker 1: making arguments in favor of overturning Roe versus Wade. According

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Speaker 1: to Weiss, here, the only conservative justice who didn't seem

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Speaker 1: totally sold on overturning Row was Justice Roberts, who now

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Speaker 1: wildly is sort of a centrist voice on the court.

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Speaker 1: He was repeatedly asking about the importance of the so

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Speaker 1: called viability line. Under past abortion juris prudence, states are

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Speaker 1: benchmarkt which fetuses are able to survive onside the womb

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Speaker 1: that typically occurs at around twenty four weeks of pregnancy.

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Speaker 1: That was kind of the direction that most people thought

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Speaker 1: going in, that this would go in rather than a

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Speaker 1: full overturning of Row. Now that oral arguments have been had,

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Speaker 1: it looks much more likely that they are going to

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Speaker 1: actually get rid of Row versus Wade. Yes, and so

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Speaker 1: it's saying, let's put that New York Times up there

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Speaker 1: on the screen. It actually encourage people to go and

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Speaker 1: read it. We'll put the link in the description because

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Speaker 1: actually does a decent enough job of just quoting a

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Speaker 1: bunch of people who have different opinions on the stuff,

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Speaker 1: both from conservative professors legal people arguing, look, you know,

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Speaker 1: Dread versus Scott Plessy versus ferguson all these other laws

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Speaker 1: which have been overturned in the past. You don't necessarily

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Speaker 1: have to stick to jurisprudence if you think it's bad jurisprudence.

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Speaker 1: Others pointing to a much more politico social view of

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Speaker 1: the court and of the fact that there is plunging

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Speaker 1: legitimacy found in the Supreme Court amongst Democrats over the

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Speaker 1: last I think twenty years, for the last ten years

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Speaker 1: in particular, given that Trump was able to put three

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court justices, the person most susceptible on the Republican

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Speaker 1: side to that type of thinking is the Chief Justice,

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Speaker 1: John Roberts. John Roberts' nightmare is packing the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: and any sort of judicial change to that. He's like,

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Speaker 1: that is the thing I want to avoid the most.

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Speaker 1: I want to die with nine justices on the Court,

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to have some sort of legitimacy within

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Speaker 1: the American public. That's why he's been willing, you know,

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Speaker 1: with Obamacare, with DACA, with the census question. In many

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Speaker 1: of these cases citing against Donald Trump or citing much

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Speaker 1: more in the favor against necessarily where people thought he

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Speaker 1: was going to stand. Where towards trying to find some

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Speaker 1: sort of balance in public opinion. What have we learned

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Speaker 1: over the last forty years in the abortion debate. I

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Speaker 1: don't think there is much balance, unfortunately for most people.

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Speaker 1: It's just such one of those issues is like you're

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Speaker 1: the four against, and it seems to be one of

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Speaker 1: these issues where he's going to find himself in a bind,

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Speaker 1: especially Crystal, because it's a six to street court. He's

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Speaker 1: not the swing vote. No, you know, he could even

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Speaker 1: dissent and it wouldn't really matter. So with five to four,

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Speaker 1: then the question comes, how are they going to write that.

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Speaker 1: Justice Gorsic obviously is one who is actually on the

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Speaker 1: wrong side a lot of the social conservatives because of

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Speaker 1: the way that he voted in the I forget what

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Speaker 1: the case was actually called, but it was about something

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Speaker 1: about transgender sex equality in terms of how you interpret

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Speaker 1: gender identity is in voted or not, that really, you know,

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Speaker 1: put him on, I would say, the wrong side of

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Speaker 1: a lot of the social cons who are within the movement.

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Speaker 1: I also think we should it's important to note that

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Speaker 1: the social conservatives, the people who are hardcore on abortion

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Speaker 1: and on all this stuff within the Republican coalition, they're

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Speaker 1: not actually the majority. It's probably thirty two, thirty three percent.

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Speaker 1: But it comes to the tyranny of the dictatorship of

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Speaker 1: the small minority. Point that I've brought up a lot

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Speaker 1: about in Naesim teleb. These people, this is pretty much

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Speaker 1: all they care about. They will crawl over broken glass

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Speaker 1: and have for the last forty years specifically to vote

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Speaker 1: for this moment, and so if it doesn't happen, they're

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Speaker 1: going to freak out. So this is one of those

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Speaker 1: cases where you know, even though one third of the

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Speaker 1: people who voted for Trump actually described themselves as pro choice,

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Speaker 1: they rate it much less important on the spectrum than

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Speaker 1: the people who I believe it was only three percent

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Speaker 1: of the entire American electorate cared about abortion as their

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Speaker 1: number one issue in the twenty twenty election, and something

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Speaker 1: like ninety percent of them voted for Trump. As in

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Speaker 1: it was like, so again, you know, the people who

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Speaker 1: are pro choice, they may say, you know, they care,

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Speaker 1: but on the list of priorities, very very low. Could

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Speaker 1: roe versus Wade change all of that? We'll see. Our friend,

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Speaker 1: uh Rachel Bavard actually wrote this piece. She's, you know,

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Speaker 1: a big social conservative, she's kind of a court watcher

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Speaker 1: and obviously wanted to bring her analysis as well to

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Speaker 1: the table. Let's put it up there on the screen

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Speaker 1: from the spectator, cracks are showing in roe versus Wade.

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Speaker 1: What she points to is that a lot of the

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Speaker 1: Republicans have been very skeptical of Justice Robertson, of Justice Gorsic,

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Speaker 1: so they were watching these oral arguments like a hawk.

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Speaker 1: You should also put this on the table. A lot

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Speaker 1: of this is tea leaves trying to figure out where

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Speaker 1: people stand. Clarence Thomas, I think has spoken once in

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Speaker 1: the last eight years on the bench, so it's not

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Speaker 1: it's the easiest thing. But what she's pointing to, and

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Speaker 1: what a lot of the stuff that I'm hearing is

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Speaker 1: that they are saying it's very likely that roe versus

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Speaker 1: Wade is going to be overturned. Now, the timeline as

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Speaker 1: to when that is going to happen, given the six '

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Speaker 1: three and all of that, could potentially be right before

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Speaker 1: the midterm elections. And that's where the question of the

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Speaker 1: political stuff that people have to bet on comes to

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Speaker 1: the fore, will people actually vote and freak out if

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Speaker 1: Roe versus Wade is overturned or not. There's two schools

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Speaker 1: of thought. Actually, I'm curious what you think. What I

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Speaker 1: hear from a lot of the people who are big

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Speaker 1: social cons They're like, look, they say they care, but

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Speaker 1: not that many people actually freaked out in Texas. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it was like a one day story or whatever, but

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Speaker 1: the people in Texas aren't going to come out and

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Speaker 1: vote against Governor Abbott anytime soon, and a national repeal

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Speaker 1: would certainly be big headlines become election time. Then you know,

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Speaker 1: there's all this other stuff going on in the country

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Speaker 1: that it won't galvanize like a Women's March level movement.

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Speaker 1: For me, personally, I think they're completely underrating how exactly

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Speaker 1: when something has just been stasis for forty years and

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Speaker 1: then you take it away. I think that's going to

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Speaker 1: change American politics forever. I could be completely wrong. I'm

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Speaker 1: curious what you think, because this is how the social

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Speaker 1: conservatives are justifying yeah, saying that, look what we're going

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Speaker 1: to be basically, we're going to have our cake and

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Speaker 1: eat it too and not suffer any electoral consequences because

644
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Speaker 1: I mean, look, you can look at the polling fifty

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Speaker 1: to fifty yes kind of on how people feel abortion,

646
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Speaker 1: But in terms of the row I was going to say,

647
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Speaker 1: on row, it's actually much more like a sixty sixty five,

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Speaker 1: which they conveniently like to ignore whenever they're talking about Yeah,

649
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: I mean, people do feel complicated ways of abortion, which

650
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Speaker 1: I actually really relate to, and I think any human can. Yeah, absolutely,

651
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: But on row two thirds of the public thinks that

652
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: Roe should stand, So they're definitely not on the right

653
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Speaker 1: side of majority opinion. There's a couple things that I

654
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: think about this, and I'm kind of up in the

655
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: air about exactly how this plays out politically and how

656
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: it plays in the midterm elections, et cetera. But if

657
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Speaker 1: I were to make the case that this will be

658
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: a significant political event, there's two pieces. Number One, Republicans

659
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: have used the social conservatives, holding that dangling this in

660
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: front of them like a carrot for decades. Now, I mean,

661
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: how did Trump ultimately win. It's because of this. A

662
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: lot of social conservaives were nervous about him, and there

663
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: were two things that sealed the deal. Number one putting

664
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Speaker 1: Pens on the ticket and number two releasing the list

665
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: of this is who's who my Supreme Court justices are

666
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Speaker 1: going to be. And he was much more at he

667
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: was more forward, he was more for. It used to

668
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: be that presidential candidates and centers they would sort of

669
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Speaker 1: dance around it. They didn't want to say that there

670
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Speaker 1: was a lit out abortion and Trump being Trump was

671
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: basically like, no, this is what we're going to do.

672
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: We're going to overturn Roe versus weight. And that brought

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00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 1: home the evangelical base, which has now been consistently actually

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00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: his strongest supporters. So taking away that motivating factor that

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00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: could depress the Republican base somewhat, who have been kept

676
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: together through these sort of culture war issues. Mediating against that,

677
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: I would say, there's a whole other host of culture

678
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Speaker 1: war issues that are equally sort of like salient and

679
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: energizing for the Republican base right now that we saw

680
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: play out in Virginia as one example, so I'm not

681
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: really sure that it's going to have that much impact

682
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: on them. On the other side, with the Democratic base

683
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: and with the sort of new suburban coalition, if there

684
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: was anyone who was going to be super energized by

685
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: versus Wade being overturned, it would be like suburban liberal

686
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: women who may vote kind of back and forth. But this,

687
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, since they have assumed now for decades that

688
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: this was the law of the land and that these

689
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Speaker 1: threats were not in danger, I could see it being

690
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Speaker 1: a very motivating force in twenty twenty two and potentially

691
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four as well. So I do think

692
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: it shifts. It shifts the political calculus in terms of

693
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Speaker 1: who this is a motivation for. This is no longer

694
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Speaker 1: going to be a really super effective motivator for the

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00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: Republican base, and it may become a more effective motivator

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Speaker 1: for the Democratic base overall. Again, going back to kind

697
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Speaker 1: of what we were saying in Georgia, I think twenty

698
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Speaker 1: twenty two is going to be a bloodbath for Democrats.

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Speaker 1: I don't think whatever the Court does on Roe is

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Speaker 1: ultimately going to save them, But over the longer term landscape,

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Speaker 1: I think it would probably be better for Republicans if

702
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: Roberts left this thing hanging by a thread, where you

703
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: still had Row technically in place, but states effect I mean,

704
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: that's basically what we have right now, States effectively able

705
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: to use all kinds of loopholes to basically ban abortion

706
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: rights overall. And by the way, so in terms of

707
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: what the actual impact of this would be, one analysis

708
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: says that more than half of US states, if Roe

709
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: is overturned, would have no legal protections for abortions. So

710
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: you'd have a sort of like you know, half the

711
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: country would be you would still have these rights, and

712
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: half the countries you want it would be left up

713
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: to the states. So that's yeah, I think in practice

714
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: it just means that there'll be like seven states in

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Speaker 1: the South where abortion is illegal and or just be

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Speaker 1: illegal everywhere else almost certainly. I mean like in terms

717
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: of there's a lot more than that. There's at least

718
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Speaker 1: twelve that have it automatically. The auto triggers, the auto

719
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Speaker 1: trigger thing. Yeah, there's a difference between like nineteen ninety Tennessee,

720
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: you know auto trigger law or North Carolina auto trigger law,

721
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: and then like twenty twenty one it actually gets overturned,

722
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Speaker 1: are they actually going to I mean, state legislators can

723
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Speaker 1: flip all the time. So in practice, you're right, twelve

724
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Speaker 1: states have the auto triggers. I know Texas definitely has one.

725
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Speaker 1: In practice, I would say twenty years from now, if

726
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Speaker 1: it gets overturned, I really don't see it saying more

727
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Speaker 1: than like seven eight states. Well again, I'm not saying like, look,

728
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Speaker 1: if you live in Texas and all those places, yeah,

729
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: like it's going to be a matter to you, But

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Speaker 1: for the vast majority of the country and the population,

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Speaker 1: it's almost certainly going to remain legal. One other thing

732
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Speaker 1: that I will say here, I mean, listen, this is abortion.

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Speaker 1: Like everything is also a class issue. If you're a

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Speaker 1: rich woman, you're going to be able to get to

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Speaker 1: do whatever you want. So you're talking about people who

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Speaker 1: can't afford to travel to other states that ultimately will

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Speaker 1: be impacted here by whatever happens. The other thing that

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Speaker 1: that liberals are concerned about, I honestly don't know if

739
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: this has any merit or not, but things that other

740
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: things that were settled, social cultural rights that were settled,

741
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: things like Abergefell and marriage equality, things like the right

742
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: birth control because that was also a Supreme decision giving

743
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: people the right to have birth control. There's question, Okay, well,

744
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 1: if we're saying wow, to hell with precedent, who cares

745
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: about that? Does that then open the door to re

746
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: litigating some of those other social cultural issues that we

747
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: thought were settled. I don't know if it is or not.

748
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: Do I think that that could be an effective talking

749
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Speaker 1: point for Democratic politicians trying to scare Northern Virginia women

750
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Speaker 1: that they may not have their birth control. Yes, I

751
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: do think that is potentially potent. And on Texas, one

752
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: last thing on this, because you were saying, well, the

753
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Speaker 1: Texas thing didn't really matter, I do think in California,

754
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: I do think it mattered. I think part of why,

755
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: I think part of why the polls swung significantly and

756
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom, actually, I don't performed unusual for a Democrat

757
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: what the polls were saying. I do think it's because

758
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,479
Speaker 1: he could point to Texas and say, you don't want

759
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: that to happen here. That was never going to happen

760
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Speaker 1: in California, but it freaked people out enough for them

761
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Speaker 1: to overlook the fact that they did not particularly love

762
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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom and get their butts at the poll to

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Speaker 1: make sure that Larry Elder did not become governor of

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Speaker 1: the state. Very true, and if anything, that would show

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Speaker 1: it's a good base motivator, which, like you said, if

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Speaker 1: you want Nova women to come out, which they didn't,

767
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: well they did, but not necessarily in the same levels

768
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Speaker 1: or more in the Virginia election. This very much could

769
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Speaker 1: do it. Well, We're really what you should take away

770
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: from this is it's complicated in terms of how it

771
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: plays out politically. It could not play out bad for

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Speaker 1: Republicans in twenty twenty two, and it could also open

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Speaker 1: the door for like some todd achin bloodbath in twenty

774
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Speaker 1: twenty four. It's right, you know, you never know how

775
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: this stuff is going to play out, and projecting it

776
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: is really hard. Tried to give everybody all sides of

777
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Speaker 1: this one. So I hope that was useful to everyone. Okay,

778
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Speaker 1: the economy very not good jobs report with some silver linings.

779
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Speaker 1: We'll try to present as much of a well rounded

780
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: picture as we can. Let's put it up there on

781
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: the screen. It came out on Friday. US hiring stumbled

782
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Speaker 1: in November, as the economy added just two hundred and

783
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Speaker 1: ten thousand new jobs. Economists expected payrolls to actually increase

784
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Speaker 1: by five hundred and fifty thousand in November, so job

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Speaker 1: growth undershot expectations in November. What they were particularly looking

786
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Speaker 1: at is the fact that obviously that this missed. That

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Speaker 1: being said, the unemployment rate did drop from the expected

788
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Speaker 1: four point two from to four point two percent from

789
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Speaker 1: four point six at the same time, that's because a

790
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Speaker 1: lot of the people have permanently dropped out of the workforce,

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Speaker 1: retired early, aren't looking for a new job, and all

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Speaker 1: of that. It's really is just very difficult to show. Also,

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Speaker 1: what we're really learning from these these forecasters don't know

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Speaker 1: what damn thing. Whenever it comes to the pandemics they

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Speaker 1: miss every month it's bill like eight hundred k and

796
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: then it adds like three million, or it's like they're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be five to fifty add to twenty. It's

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Speaker 1: big revision. Factically hundreds of thousands months later, which is

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Speaker 1: another reason why you should actually take all of these

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Speaker 1: initial reports with a grain AsSalt, because they've upward revised

801
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: the past few months significantly, and this top line number

802
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: didn't really match with There's another survey household survey that

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00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: they did that showed more job creation than this one did.

804
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: But still, I mean, listen, I'm not trying to sugarcoat it.

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00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: That number is I think it's not a good number.

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Speaker 1: It's a very bad number. The one which you should

807
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: pay the most attention to is leisure and hospitality, which

808
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: is really the sector which is like the most blinking

809
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: light of things are getting better, things are getting worse.

810
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: Leisure hospitality only added twenty three thousand jobs last month,

811
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Speaker 1: and I think that by that metric you can see

812
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 1: that with delta and now with the Omicron freak out,

813
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,959
Speaker 1: which I will be talking a lot of my monologue,

814
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: I do think this is going to just be a

815
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: noose around the neck of the economy for a long

816
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: time until states decide, look, it's endemic and we have

817
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Speaker 1: to move on, because a lot of this is just

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Speaker 1: going to continue. I won't, you know, giveaway too much,

819
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Speaker 1: but that's obviously my own personal bias. That being said,

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Speaker 1: I want to bring you guys some of the potential

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Speaker 1: silver linings within the economy. Let's put this New York

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00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: Times tear sheet up on the screen. Neil Irwin, he's

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Speaker 1: somebody I respect. He writes, the Upshot blog where he

824
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: talks about there is that most of the other evidence

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00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: in the report actually points to a job market that

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Speaker 1: is humming in some areas. So most notably I already said,

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Speaker 1: the jobless rate fell from four point to four point

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Speaker 1: two from four point six, and a speed which which

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Speaker 1: unemployment has gone from a grave crisis to a benign

830
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: situation is astounding, because unemployment was six point seven percent

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Speaker 1: last December. In one year, we've experienced an improvement that

832
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Speaker 1: took three and a half years in the last economic

833
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: cycle to actually come down from from March twenty fourteen

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Speaker 1: to September twenty seventeen. Obviously, though pandemic is very different

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Speaker 1: than a structural, you know, change in the entire labor

836
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Speaker 1: force and the economy. So they also point to the

837
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: fact that among people in their prime working years from

838
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Speaker 1: twenty five to fifty four, the share of people employed

839
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Speaker 1: actually rose by an entire half percentage point, which is

840
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: a lot, seventy eight point eight percent in November, rapidly

841
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: approaching the pre COVID level of eighty point four. So

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00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: really what that shows is that, as I said, while

843
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: you can see the hiring and there's a lot of

844
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Speaker 1: early retirement prime working male and women from twenty five

845
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Speaker 1: to fifty four, having them approach very close to that

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Speaker 1: pre COVID level, that's probably a good thing. Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: what Erwin points to is one potential explanation for the

848
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Speaker 1: fact that you have some like the top line number

849
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: very bad, but some of the underlying numbers are actually good,

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Speaker 1: including wage increases and including the fact that, as you're

851
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: pointing to, the labor participation rate is up. Is the

852
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: fact that you do have this tight labor market. And

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Speaker 1: so it could be the case that the soft job

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00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: creation numbers are actually a result of the fact employers

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Speaker 1: want to add more jobs, but they can't get the

856
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Speaker 1: workers in hospitality and retail that they want in order

857
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: to fill those positions. Now, of course those employers would

858
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: be very upset about that, but for workers, it's actually

859
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: good news. I mean, that's part of why wages are

860
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: being driven up. And something that we've seen since you know,

861
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: the initial waves of the pandemic have started to abate

862
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: and people have started going back to restaurants and those

863
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: sorts of things, is that a lot of the workers

864
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 1: they don't want to go back to those jobs because

865
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: either it was very precarious. They were, you know, the

866
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 1: first to get laid off when coronavirus hit. Their wages

867
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: were already pretty low. These are industries with very you know,

868
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: very unlikely to have healthcare. You're likely to have low wages,

869
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 1: long hours, terrible schedules, lack of predictability, all of those things.

870
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: So when they were forced to rethink things during the pandemic,

871
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: a lot of workers decided I don't want to work

872
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: in these industries anymore. Either that or they were the

873
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: ones who were put the most at risk when you know,

874
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: pre vaccines, when this disease was really I mean not

875
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: that it's amazing now, but it was really ravaging the

876
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: country and it was extraordinarily frightening. So there's also an

877
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: element of just choice here where workers are saying, I

878
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: don't care if you want me to work retail. I

879
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: don't care if you want me to wait tables. I'm

880
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: not doing that anymore. So in the report, as you

881
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: pointed to leisure and hospitality, so I gain him just

882
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: twenty three thousand. Retail actually fell by twenty thousand last month.

883
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: Now that's on a seasonally adjusted basis, but that's pretty

884
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: wild considering that we're in the midst of the holiday season,

885
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: retail should be booming. Yeah, and it's not. And it

886
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: may be the case that it's because workers are just saying, Nah,

887
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this work. It's not for me.

888
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: I really think that's what it is, Crystal. And you know,

889
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: we've pointed to some people have made some crazy lifestyle changes.

890
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 1: So put Heather long suite up there on the screen,

891
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: which is that some two million or so people, Yeah,

892
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: two point four million people have just not returned to

893
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: work and perhaps at this point just have no intention

894
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: to one point five millionaire women, nine hundred thousand are men.

895
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: And in that larger female figure. What we've pointed to

896
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: in the past is that Washington Post piece Heather by

897
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: Henry Olsen, where what did he talk about is like

898
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: some people are returning to a more single family model,

899
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: and actually with the nine hundred k men, it could

900
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: also be vice versa. What you're seeing is that people

901
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: are like, hey, you know, it's actually better for my life,

902
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: especially with all the craziness with the pandemic and with school,

903
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: to have one parent who stays home and one parent

904
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: who is the major earner. It keeps people out of

905
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: the two income trap where they'll have to make more

906
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: and more money in order to justify the relative same lifestyle.

907
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: But it also just goes to show some people's priorities

908
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: could be changing, which I completely support. I think it's

909
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: a good thing in order to balance more towards your

910
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: home life away from your work life. And so having

911
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: that change one or two point four million people not

912
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: having yet returned, that could just be a major social

913
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: cultural change for we'll just have to grapay. The concern

914
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: is that it's not a choice, yeah, right. The concern

915
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: is that it's a lot of Look, there's no doubt

916
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: about it. As much as we would like to have

917
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: more balanced gender roles. During the pandemic, when kids were

918
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: basically forced to be homeschooled, it was women that overwhelmingly

919
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: bore the brunt of that dialed back their hours or

920
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: left their jobs or whatever they needed to do to

921
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: be there with the kiddos to make sure that you know,

922
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: they were sitting in front of their zoom and they

923
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: were more or less doing what they were supposed to

924
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: be doing. And so childcare is really really expensive, and

925
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: it's one of the costs that has, you know, continue

926
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: to go up so you have to have the ability

927
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: to earn a salary that is more than the cost

928
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: of childcare a lot more to yeah, to justify it.

929
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: And so that's a that's a real barrier. If you

930
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: separated from your job during the pandemic, that's a real

931
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: barrier to going back in because you got to find

932
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: something that you know is not only going to work

933
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: for your family, but is also going to make up

934
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: you know, the childcare costs plus some to justify the

935
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: fact that you are going to be then away from

936
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: kids worn and have the flexibility and the freedom that

937
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: you had before. So that's the concern is that, Look

938
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: if personally, I you know, there are a lot of

939
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: men and women out there who would love to be

940
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: home with their kids, would love to be homemaker. That's

941
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: not what I would think. I would go crazy personally,

942
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: but it's not for me, But a lot of people

943
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: are wired that way where that's what they want to do.

944
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: I would love to have a landscape where that's an affirmative,

945
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: positive choice that people can make and that they're support

946
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: and able to make that choice. The concern is that

947
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 1: right now, because we haven't put those supports into place,

948
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: it's less a choice than a necessity because of just

949
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: the cost of child care and the unavailability of childcare too,

950
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: because there are a lot of places that shut childcare,

951
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: places that shut down one of the sectors in the economy.

952
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in something called a family voucher,

953
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: where people can either spend it on childcare or they

954
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: can just keep the money for income support give it

955
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: to their grandparent in order to help them. But you know,

956
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: there's not a sensible people in DC in order to

957
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: actually give people that choice. That's right when noble in

958
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: the country that yeah, in soccer land, that's how Unfortunately,

959
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: whatever your reality, let's get onto this. Always the fun

960
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: segment for last I love this so Trevor Noah, we're

961
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: both not funny, very clearly just not funny. It's been

962
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: very sad and pathetic. What's happened over to that once

963
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: great show. Every once in a while, the guy has

964
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: a decent take. And Trevor, maybe because of his experience

965
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: in South Africa and his long skepticism of the drug companies,

966
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: said something on his air which makes complete sense, which was,

967
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: maybe we should be skeptical whenever the CEO of vaccine

968
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: companies say that we need more vaccines in order to

969
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: deal with a variant which to this date, again, to

970
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 1: this date, remains possibly more transmissible, but generally pretty mild,

971
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: and how it seems to have affected people. Here's what

972
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: he had to say. We'll give you the reaction on

973
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: the other side. On the one hand, almost all the

974
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: only chron cases have been mild so far. But on

975
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: the other hand, the guy who stands to gain millions

976
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: of dollars from new vaccines says, we need new vaccines.

977
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 1: If we don't make a new vaccine, this disease could

978
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: be with us. Ferrari, I mean forever. Sorry, I was

979
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: thinking of something else. Now. Look, I'm not saying that

980
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: the CEO of Madonna is lying. I'm not saying that

981
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: at all. I'm just saying I don't think he's the

982
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: most objective source on this topic. You know, I'll wait

983
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: to hear what neutral experts say about a new vaccine,

984
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: people like public health officials or the CEO of Johnson

985
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: and Johnson. I mean, he's got nothing a game because

986
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna buy his vaccines either way, so I trust him.

987
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: Not bad. Okay, you have maybe like a sixty second

988
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: funny of a decent inquiry into challenging power. Well didn't

989
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: go over, So well, let's go and put this up

990
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: on the screen with his viewers and with a lot

991
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: of people in the mainstream media. Daily Show host Trevor

992
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: Noah blast for knocking Ma Turner CEO's vaccine push. The

993
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: headline or the story reads, no one's laughing at the

994
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: Daily Show. Trevornoah's new take on the coronavirus vaccine maker

995
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: Maderna appears to be suspicious who recently went public over

996
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: how is concerned would he hold up with Omar Khan.

997
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: So what they point to is that a lot of

998
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: people online who are viewers of The Daily Show and

999
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: others were going after Trevor Noah and saying that he

1000
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: was quote joining the death cult because he was suspicious

1001
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: of big pharma and believing in vaccines and science. He

1002
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: was like, you need to be able to separate the

1003
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: makers from the technology. I don't even disagree necessarily with

1004
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: the underlying point. But what we're really showing here is

1005
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: it is obvious to have skepticism about what these people

1006
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: are saying, and especially on Omakron where we don't know

1007
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: that much, and if these guys outright immediately likeneda booster,

1008
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: need boos, need a booster? I mean Israel disauthorized a

1009
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: fourth shot? People? Okay, at a certain point do we

1010
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,959
Speaker 1: all have to ask a question of like, all right,

1011
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: what's happening here? When is enough? How do we balance

1012
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 1: public health? How do we balance the future and all

1013
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: of that? And to end not to be able to

1014
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: have somebody in the mainstream once again, look, he has

1015
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: a very low rated show, not that many people watch him,

1016
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: but enough people know what the Daily Show is that

1017
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: it has some cultural imprint, and I can guarantee you

1018
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: the libs who watch that stuff probably never heard that

1019
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: type of skepticism before. So I actually think it perhaps

1020
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: is even more powerful to have somebody like Trevor Noa

1021
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: say it. This really just takes away their ability to

1022
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: challenge and have skepticism of power at all at some

1023
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: of the highest levels in the mainstream. So it's a

1024
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: really you know, the criticism and the freak out over

1025
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: it tells us more about the environment than anything else. Yeah,

1026
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:52,439
Speaker 1: and it also demonstrates the perditiousness of allowing these things

1027
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: to be for profit, not just pharmaceuticals, but our healthcare

1028
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:00,760
Speaker 1: system at large, because it is true that people who

1029
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: are anti vax or vaccine skeptical to use them, you

1030
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 1: know the term they prefer, have seized on the fact

1031
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: that big pharma has nefarious motives, that they only care

1032
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: about profit in order to fuel a conspiracy that the

1033
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: vaccines don't work, that they're a bigger risk to you

1034
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: than the disease itself, and that there's you know, there's

1035
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: nothing to the vaccine that they put they put you

1036
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: at risk effectively, when we have seen that that is

1037
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,919
Speaker 1: not the case. But what the profit motive a big

1038
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: pharma does indicate is they would love to continue to

1039
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: charge premium prices to the developed world in perpetuity, allow

1040
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: this thing to circulate in the parts of the world

1041
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: that can't pay as much money, so that they continue

1042
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: to we continue to have to go back for boosters

1043
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: or new formulations and all of those things. And so

1044
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: it does. It is a problem the fact that you

1045
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: have this profit motive underlying this entire system. But what

1046
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: Trevor Noah is saying here is one hundred percent and

1047
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 1: we've seen this also with like the murk COVID pill

1048
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: they put their This is the way it works perfectly.

1049
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: Just don't look too closely. Just go ahead and approve

1050
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: it now. I think it does have some efficacy, but

1051
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: it's not nearly what they were saying. So there is

1052
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: no doubt that any time you have an actor that

1053
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: has a professional or financial interest at stake in whatever

1054
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: thing it is that they're pushing, you should be skeptical.

1055
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 1: Like that's just good common sense. We try to apply

1056
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: that not just within healthcare, but we try to apply

1057
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: it when in our reading of the news, especially with

1058
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: national security stuff. Who has an interest in spinning this

1059
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: story and who stands to gain what from this particular

1060
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: narrative being put out there. That's just, you know, a

1061
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: good analytical way to approach these things. And the fact

1062
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: that big pharma CEOs are now like off limits as

1063
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: a topic of you know, challenging power is really sad.

1064
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,240
Speaker 1: That's a really sad place to be. It just points

1065
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: to what we've talked. You can turn you can, you

1066
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,240
Speaker 1: can You cannot turn these people into heroes and especially

1067
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: into tribal teams. The moment you do, you lose skepticism

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Speaker 1: and you actually seed a lot of the ground to

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Speaker 1: bad faith actors. That's the other problem. You should be

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Speaker 1: able to parse things with nuance. I mean, we have

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Speaker 1: pointed here to the fact that Pfizer's own CEO has

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Speaker 1: said that boosters every year is part of their proven

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Speaker 1: revenue model. They have said that outwardly to their shareholders

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Speaker 1: that they want to encourage yearly vaccination because they know

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Speaker 1: that they'll have global they'll have global purchasers in the

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Speaker 1: large Western governments who will guarantee their profits forever. Now, look,

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Speaker 1: if that was recommended perhaps by the CDC, the FDA

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Speaker 1: and all those other people. I'm still pretty skeptical of

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Speaker 1: those institutions at this point, but I would listen. But

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Speaker 1: when I hear that, I'm like hol No and a

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Speaker 1: lot of other people hear the same thing. Now, you

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00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: should be able to parse that same with the Maderna CEO.

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Speaker 1: The fact that they're coming out and saying, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: we may need omicron specific boosters before we even know

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00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:01,439
Speaker 1: what the variant does is crazy. I mean, I don't

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00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: remember hearing any of that for Delta, right, and yet

1087
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: they are latching and clinging onto anything they possibly can

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00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: and perhaps pressuring regulators like the FDA and others to

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Speaker 1: authorize what Israel just did and go for the fourth shot,

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Speaker 1: fifth shot I mean, who knows when. I mean it

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00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: was a meme. Five jabs was a literal meme, not

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Speaker 1: even like three months ago, and that's a possible reality.

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Speaker 1: So having that ability to have skepticism of that in

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00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: the mainstream, I actually think is vital a if you

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Speaker 1: want people to get even two doses as we point to. Look,

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Speaker 1: it's December sixth, These vaccines have been out for what

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Speaker 1: like seven months at this point. If you haven't gotten it,

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Speaker 1: it's a choice. I get it. You know it's on you,

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Speaker 1: and you live with the consequences of your decision. But

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Speaker 1: it's like, if you want to try and continue or

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Speaker 1: perhaps increase some vaccine uptake or more, allowing and parsing

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Speaker 1: through that type of skepticism is exactly what you have

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00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: to do in the public square, and we don't see

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Speaker 1: any of it. So I just think it's crazy that

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Speaker 1: Trevor No can't have a very pretty good point like

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Speaker 1: this and not just get smacked down by so much

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Speaker 1: of the Internet. I also guarantee you'll never have a

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00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: segment like that. Again, I think that's a bad thing. Well,

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00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: his takes are normally so cringe that he's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: winnowed away any part of his audience that might have

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Speaker 1: appreciated the point, and is left with only the most

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Speaker 1: like cringe resistance lidbuts sadly true. All right, Sager, what

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Speaker 1: are you looking at? Well? Omicron in this state, another

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Speaker 1: one in that, one one more here, one more there.

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Speaker 1: One vaccinated, the other one was triple vaccinated. That's probably

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Speaker 1: all you guys heard over the weekend from the media

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00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: as the number of confirmed cases of the new variant

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00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: began being discovered here in the United States. The new

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00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: variant has spawned old questions anew as to how exactly

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Speaker 1: should we deal with this our pandemic restriction is the

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00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: answer is enough enough? Should we learn to live with it?

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Speaker 1: That's the question that it has taken me a long

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Speaker 1: time to arrive at, and I'm hoping to share my

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Speaker 1: thinking with all of you. For context, we were some

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Speaker 1: of the very first people to sound the alarm about

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Speaker 1: coronavirus to a large audience. From what I remember, I

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Speaker 1: was beginning to get freaked out in the first week

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Speaker 1: of February, and on February twenty six we actually did

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Speaker 1: a segment warning people about the virus. While the Washington

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Speaker 1: Post was still saying Hey, it's racist to care about

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Speaker 1: this virus from China, and actually the flu is a

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Speaker 1: bigger threat. The dominant media position was actually that at

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Speaker 1: the time, so when the initial lockdown by Trump was announced,

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Speaker 1: I supported it. We knew very little about the virus.

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Speaker 1: The death toll out of Italy and China for elderly

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Speaker 1: people especially was terrifying. When the first anti mass protesters

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Speaker 1: appeared at the Michigan Capitol or elsewhere, we respected their

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Speaker 1: right to protest, though I personally thought it was over

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Speaker 1: the top and pretty crazy, and I still had some

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Speaker 1: limited faith in the public health bureaucrats at the time.

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Speaker 1: But what really broke the glass for me was the

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Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter protests, when millions of people took the

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Speaker 1: streets and it was a wholesale sanctioned by the public

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Speaker 1: health establishment and the media. I saw clearly what was happening.

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Speaker 1: That the bureaucrats and the media and others were perfectly

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00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: fine flouting pandemic restrictions for a higher ideal in their opinion.

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Speaker 1: By the way, that's actually fine. If you're cool with

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Speaker 1: assessing risk to go out and do something you believe in,

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01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: it really is all good. That's the American way, but

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01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: it has to apply in both directions, and I think

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01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: we all know that it hasn't for them, and it didn't.

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Speaker 1: Then in a sense, that actually made me a lot

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Speaker 1: more civil libertarian and skeptical of pandemic restriction restrictions, because

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Speaker 1: if they're not going to exist in good faith, as

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Speaker 1: has already been proven, then they are a tool in

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Speaker 1: the arsenal of the state for oppression of political opposition.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps you're rolling your eyes, but look, I am not

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Speaker 1: anti vaxx. I have had two doses of maderna. I

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Speaker 1: have advocated strongly on this program for as many people

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Speaker 1: as possible to get vaccinated to reduce risk of hospitalization

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Speaker 1: and death and risk overall of population widespread. But when

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Speaker 1: I see the omicron fear and the debates here in

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Speaker 1: my home city of Washington, with calls to reinstate a

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Speaker 1: mass mandate or Oregon making their mass mandate literally permanent

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Speaker 1: for indoors, I see a permanent security regime which does

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Speaker 1: not consider basic facts. Basic fact number one, with vaccines,

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Speaker 1: the risk of coronavirus to our most vulnerable populations has vanished.

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Speaker 1: Most of the people who are dying of COVID did

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Speaker 1: not get vaccinated and are old and unhealthy. Look, I

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Speaker 1: feel bad for them and their families, but they made

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Speaker 1: their choice. Why does that mean the rest of us

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Speaker 1: should live under the gun for the rest of our lives.

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Speaker 1: Basic fact number two. Contracting COVID, if you're vaccinated, healthy

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Speaker 1: and young, is not a risk to your life. Of course,

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Speaker 1: I am talking statistically, but it's not. I got COVID

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Speaker 1: after I got vaccinated, and yeah, it sucked for a

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Speaker 1: couple of days, and then I was fine. If you're vaccinated,

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Speaker 1: you'll probably be fine. And now with therapeutics like the

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Speaker 1: Pfizer pill and monoclonal antibodies, you can kick it in

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Speaker 1: just a few days. We've actually created a situation where

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Speaker 1: for most people, COVID really is just like the flu. Now,

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Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is that COVID will be

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Speaker 1: here forever. There is no situation where we can vaccinate

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Speaker 1: the entire world. There will be many, many more omicrons

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Speaker 1: COVID variants that jump the vaccine or spread faster, that

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Speaker 1: are immaterial as long as we have vaccines that reduce

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Speaker 1: the risk of hospitalization and death and we have great therapeutics.

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Speaker 1: In other words, more pandemic restrictions are not and should

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Speaker 1: not be justified on the population wide basis, because it

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Speaker 1: is simply a fact of life. If you're scared personally,

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Speaker 1: be my guest, wear a mask. The rest of us

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Speaker 1: we're moving on. We have two choices. We can accept

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Speaker 1: the situation or we can lose our freaking minds, which

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Speaker 1: brings us to how some people in the world are

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Speaker 1: handling this, a shining example of what we must avoid

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Speaker 1: it all costs in America, even in spirit, and a

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Speaker 1: good view into what the mentally ill public health bureaucrats

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Speaker 1: would do if they could. The first is a video

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Speaker 1: from Australia. It's at a quarantine camp for suspective COVID

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Speaker 1: patients that went viral this weekend. Observe as a woman

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Speaker 1: points out the absurdity of some of the restrictions, her

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Speaker 1: conditions and the way in which she's been spoken to

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Speaker 1: by the staff in charge at this quarantine camp in Australia.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. If you're wanting its official winning,

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Speaker 1: if you have to stand about yet yet, and that's

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Speaker 1: we have to go to move again. I don't think

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Speaker 1: the laundry you're not yeah right, you definitely don't go

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01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: to the the fencing, right, but you don't go there's always said, right,

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Speaker 1: So if I was sitting just here, which is right

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Speaker 1: near the fence, why these guys in a cabin that's

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Speaker 1: right near the fence. It makes no sense, does it.

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Speaker 1: You can't need your balcony to go up to the

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Speaker 1: space to talk to somebody else, so far without that balcony.

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Speaker 1: There has to be lines everywhere. Go yes, And one

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Speaker 1: of the lines is you cannot leave the balconies and

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Speaker 1: you can't go to somewhere else. It makes those sense

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Speaker 1: we don't see, right, that is the lines. Yeah. The law,

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Speaker 1: there's a law that says behavior Christians finally infectious when

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Speaker 1: all of us people are negative. So yeah, can we

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Speaker 1: just do that the next time? It's five thousand, it's

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Speaker 1: a five thousand dollars fine flot if a preaching it.

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Speaker 1: If I walk out onto that palm, if cross that

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Speaker 1: yelli lawn that I've drive from, the rule, all will

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Speaker 1: be issued with the flat desmal font Right. Yeah, that's crazy,

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Speaker 1: but that's actual life in Australia. Or consider Ireland, where

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Speaker 1: ninety one percent of the eligible population is vaccinated and

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Speaker 1: in response to omicron they are closing all night clubs,

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Speaker 1: table service and social distancing and restaurants is coming back.

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Speaker 1: They're going to fifty percent capacity for mass events before

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Speaker 1: the holiday season. Are saying three households maximum are allowed

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Speaker 1: to mix indoors. Look, I'm not fear mongering and saying

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Speaker 1: this is coming to you in this exact form in

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Speaker 1: the US, but it is a glimpse into what they

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Speaker 1: really want and worse, what all of this looks like

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Speaker 1: when power is unchecked, when the mindset of eradicating and

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Speaker 1: irradicable disease takes form in people's minds who have total

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Speaker 1: authority over you. And just how much it matters to

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Speaker 1: be publicly engaged, because the more you look way and

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01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: you don't pay attention, the more the infrastructure for restricting

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01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: you actually gets put more into place. It is the

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Speaker 1: most important thing that we have to avoid in the

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Speaker 1: coming months and as we confront new variants. This is

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Speaker 1: the thing, Crystal. I mean, first of all, that video

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01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: is like totally completely nuts Stovia. Yeah, I'm my go

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Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Cyber's monologue,

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Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com. Crissel,

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Speaker 1: what are you taking a look at well, guys, stop

1248
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Speaker 1: me if you heard this one. Kamala Harris's team is

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01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: crumbling the set by tension and dysfunction and desperately planning

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Speaker 1: a reset. So here is the very latest. No fewer

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Speaker 1: than four staffers for the Vice President have left or

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Speaker 1: are planning their exits, Communications Director Ashley Ettien, Director of

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Speaker 1: Press Operations Peter Bells, and Deputy Director of the Office

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Speaker 1: of Public Engagement in an intergovernmental affairs LUG title there,

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Speaker 1: Vince Evans. They are all on their way out, but

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Speaker 1: the most high profile departure is Senior advisor and chief

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Speaker 1: spokesperson Simone Sanders. Now, Sanders had become cable news fixture

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Speaker 1: thanks first to her role as a prominent surrogate on

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Speaker 1: the Bernie twenty sixteen campaign, then her perch as a

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Speaker 1: CNN pundit. She then jumped ship from the most progressive

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Speaker 1: candidate in the race, Bernie, to arguably Elise Biden, and

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Speaker 1: proceeded to run interference for Biden on all manner of issues,

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Speaker 1: but in particular those relating to his history as Jim

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Speaker 1: Crow Joe. Lacking a personal relationship with Biden, however, Sanders

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Speaker 1: was ultimately given a significant role in the Vice President's

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Speaker 1: office in return for her loyal service to them during

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Speaker 1: the campaign. So this quartette of departures has sparked a

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Speaker 1: new round of leaks and reporting on the turmoil inside

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Speaker 1: the Vice President's team. Axios reports that quote one recurring

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Speaker 1: theme is concerned even fear about career harm by being

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Speaker 1: too closely linked to a flagging operation. Axios has told

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Speaker 1: some Harris staffers want to work on Biden's re election campaign,

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Speaker 1: while others don't want to be aligned with Harris in

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Speaker 1: the event another promising Democrat runs president in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Read Pete Boodagicch. Now, this is pretty incredible. Kamala Harris

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Speaker 1: was hand picked as the future of the Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: just a little bit over a year ago. She is

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Speaker 1: now the sitting Vice president, and with a remotely acceptable image,

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Speaker 1: she would be the odds on favorite to be the

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Speaker 1: next Democratic nominee. But these ambitious staffers are hatching their bets,

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Speaker 1: fleeing like rats off a sinking ship, rather than be

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Speaker 1: tied to the politician who had so recently been anointed

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Speaker 1: as the chosen one. Even more revealing, however, was reporting

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Speaker 1: from the Washington Post amidst All the expected caveats about

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Speaker 1: unfair expectations and sexism and racism. The Washington Post paints

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Speaker 1: a damning portrait of a principal actor with no one

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Speaker 1: to blame but herself, lashing out at staffers for her

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Speaker 1: own inadequacies. Quote staffers who worked for Harris before she

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Speaker 1: was vice president said one consistent problem was that Harris

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Speaker 1: would refuse to wade into briefing materials prepared by staff members,

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Speaker 1: then breat employees when she appeared unprepared. It's clear that

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Speaker 1: you're not working with somebody who is willing to do

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Speaker 1: the prep and the work, one former staffer said, with Kamala,

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Speaker 1: you have to put up with a constant amount of

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Speaker 1: soul destroying criticism and also her own lack of confidence.

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Speaker 1: So you are constantly sort of propping up a bully,

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Speaker 1: and it's not really clear why that is brutal. Now,

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Speaker 1: if the latest storyline out of Kamala World sounds familiar,

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Speaker 1: it's because it is the same dynamic that played out

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Speaker 1: during her presidential primary campaign and oh, by the way,

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Speaker 1: the same dynamic that played out throughout her various roles

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Speaker 1: in California politics. As a former Kamala aid told the

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Speaker 1: post quote. One of the things we've said in our

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Speaker 1: little text groups among each other is that the common

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Speaker 1: denominator through all this is her. Who are the next

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Speaker 1: talented people you're going to bring in and burn through

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Speaker 1: and then have them pretend they're retiring for positive reasons. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Kamala's current problems were all thoroughly predictable, from the patterns

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Speaker 1: of dysfunction that follow her from job to job, campaign

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Speaker 1: to campaign, to her overly cautious nature, seeming inability to

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Speaker 1: make a decision and stick to it, over reliance on

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Speaker 1: family members who undermine the work of paid staffers. There's

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Speaker 1: also her spotty talents as a politician at best, and

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Speaker 1: clumsy handling of interviews in public exchanges. But most of all,

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Speaker 1: it's been clear for a while that the public just

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01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: isn't all that keen honor. Kamala Harris was very good

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Speaker 1: at winning approval in Democratic fundraising circles and in cable

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01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: news green rooms, not so good at drawing a broad

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01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:37,799
Speaker 1: base of support from even the Democratic base, let alone

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01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 1: the country at large. It says something profound about the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party and their priorities and their contempt for voters that,

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Speaker 1: in spite of all of these warning signs, they pushed

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Speaker 1: forward to select Kamala Harris as the future of the party.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget there was an entire movement of Democratic elites

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01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 1: who orchestrated Kamala's assent, who sought to assuage Biden's concerns.

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Speaker 1: After all, he had some reluctance given Kamala's instaready attacks

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Speaker 1: on him their first debate, and his own concerns about

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Speaker 1: her popularity in her home state. Accounts of the process

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01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 1: in The New York Times and elsewhere they described Kamala's

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Speaker 1: selection as being more about checking off a laundry list

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Speaker 1: of identity signifiers than about evaluating a candidate's abilities or

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01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:23,480
Speaker 1: even popularity. As Harry Reid told The Times on Biden's decision, quote,

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Speaker 1: I think he came to the conclusion that he should

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Speaker 1: pick a black woman. They are most loyal voters, and

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Speaker 1: I think that the black women of America deserved a

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Speaker 1: black vice presidential candidate. I personally think the black women

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Speaker 1: of America and everyone else for that matter, deserve leaders

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01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 1: who have clearly articulated priorities for the country and the

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01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: skills and abilities to achieve them. Not to mention the

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Speaker 1: fact of the matter is that the Black women of

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Speaker 1: America overwhelmingly voted for white men Joe Biden and Bernie

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Speaker 1: Sanders for president, largely because they liked Bertie's policy and

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Speaker 1: they believed that Joe could beat Trump. Kamala neither has

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01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 1: Bertie's policy positions nor Joe's electability, But as usual, Democratic

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01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 1: elites thought they knew better than the public, confidently in

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01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 1: trusting the future of the party. And dare I say

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01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:11,919
Speaker 1: the nation to a politician whose flaws were readily apparent

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01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 1: and who had already been rejected by the Black women

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01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 1: of America along with most everyone else. And now, thanks

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01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 1: to their arrogance, we are once again staring down the

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01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 1: barrel of yet another Trump presidency. But don't worry. I'm

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01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 1: sure when Kamala loses to Trump, it won't be the

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01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 1: fault of her, or the consultant class or anyone else

1354
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:33,879
Speaker 1: in charge. It will all be those bad old voters

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01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 1: who just can't seem to vote the way they're supposed to,

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01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:41,520
Speaker 1: no matter which terrible candidate the Democrats try. This latest

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01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 1: abandonment of the columns, mass staff exodus, it's part of

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01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,600
Speaker 1: the great resignation, I guess, and if you want to

1359
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,959
Speaker 1: hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber

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01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: today at Breakingpoints dot Com. Joining us. Now we have

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Speaker 1: a true legend filmmaker, Oliver Stone. Of course, he is

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01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,839
Speaker 1: behind many many movies that you know and love, Platoon,

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01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: Born on the fourth of July, Natural Born Killers, Noden, JFK,

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01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 1: and now has just released JFK Revisited, a documentary through

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Speaker 1: the Looking Glass. Great to have you, sir, Good to

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Speaker 1: see you, sir. Thank you Crystal and Segar, Yeah, thank

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Speaker 1: you sir. So let's start with the obvious question why now?

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Speaker 1: Why take a look back? Now? Are their new details?

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Speaker 1: What made you decide to release this new documentary? Well, actually, no,

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Speaker 1: it's like a long term thing. This movie JFK was

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Speaker 1: made thirty years ago. Practically twenty eight years ago. And no,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, in nineteen ninety one, it's thirty years yeah,

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01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 1: and there's been as a result of the movie, the

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Speaker 1: Assassination Records Review Board was created as by an Act

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01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 1: of Congress, which is a pretty serious thing for a movie.

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01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: I think it's a unique They existed for four years.

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Speaker 1: There were five six academics, but they were had a

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01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 1: good staff of technical people who knew what they were doing,

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01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: and they questioned a lot of people again, brought them

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01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 1: back and in question some new witnesses too. So as

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Speaker 1: a result, they they and they issued this report. Their

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Speaker 1: ended in ninety eight, their term ended, but the Congress

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01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: would not renew it. And all that information is details,

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01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 1: Sherlock Holmes kind of stuff, looking at magnifying glasses, looking

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01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 1: at all the details and picking up little things. They

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01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 1: all add up, but nothing was done with it with

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01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 1: the American media, of course, was reported badly. They was ignored,

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Speaker 1: and it was disappeared. So in twenty thirteen, if you remember,

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Speaker 1: there was a fiftieth anniversary of JFK's death, and it

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Speaker 1: was it fiftieth fifty yeah, fiftieth Yeah, I'm sorry, I

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Speaker 1: sometimes get my years a wrong. And if you looked

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01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: at it, all the TV stations they didn't have as

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01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 1: much cable is as much as podcasts as they have then,

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01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,719
Speaker 1: And there was no mention of an alternative thinking about

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01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 1: the Kennedy killing. It was pure celebration of the Warren Commission.

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01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:14,600
Speaker 1: Oswald did it alone, lone assass and all that nonsense

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01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 1: on every channel. It pissed me off, and it seemed

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01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: like we lost that battle in the American consciousness. However,

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01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 1: you know it's coming. There's no time limit on this.

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01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 1: The point is that I was busy with other things.

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01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: I was doing Snowed and I was doing documentaries. But

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01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 1: my associate here, Rob Wilson, my producer, insisted that we

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01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,679
Speaker 1: go back and do this, leave a legacy, a record,

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01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 1: a record of a record about this from another point

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01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 1: of view, which is what we've done. JFK revisited states

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01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 1: the case again doesn't cover everything. This is a two

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01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 1: hour version. There is a four hour version available which

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01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:57,839
Speaker 1: will come out in January or February. It's serious stuff

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01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 1: we went to and it's all factual, documented, checked, and

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01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,480
Speaker 1: that's what I want people to have as an alternative

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01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 1: to go to in case you hear the usual bullshit

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01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 1: from the government about the Warrant Commission. So you know

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01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 1: what's going to happen next. In sixty three and in

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01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 1: twenty three, there'll be the twenty three will be the

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01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 1: sixtieth anniversary of his sixth will be seventieth in twenty three,

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01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 1: what would it be? No bid can count around here? Okay,

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Speaker 1: it be the sixtieth anniversary of his of his death,

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01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 1: of his murder, and on that occasion, I'm sure networks

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01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: will do the same thing. Everything from National Geographic to

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01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:42,679
Speaker 1: ABC NBC. You'll hear the same bullshit over and over

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01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 1: again because they have to reinforce it in the American memory.

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01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 1: This is a very important case. This is perhaps the

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01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 1: most important case of American government that we've seen in

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01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 1: the last one hundred years. I can't think of it

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01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 1: any more important than his killing. Why we want me

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01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 1: to go into that, Why Because since Kennedy was killed,

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01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:05,640
Speaker 1: no American president, not one think about it, has been

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01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 1: able to touch the military complex or the intelligence agency complex.

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01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 1: Budgets have gone up, up, up. It's purposeless. Nobody says stop.

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01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: Nobody says what about peace. Nobody talks about an alternative

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01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: way of doing business in this country, a strategy for peace. No,

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01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 1: it's all about a strategy for tension. For preparing for

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01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 1: war is very important for America. Much more money is

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01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 1: spent preparing for war. War is not a good thing.

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01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 1: They all know that. But we're coming awfully close to

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01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 1: lighting the fuse. When we keep pushing in Ukraine, we

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01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 1: keep pushing in Taiwan, we could pushing pretty much everywhere

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01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:51,759
Speaker 1: on the map where we create tension, and that's something

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01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 1: that Kennedy was totally against. He was a warrior for peace,

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01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 1: made many speeches in his last year of his life,

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01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: gave the Peace Speech at American University, and in September

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01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 1: sixty three he signed the nuclear test ban treaty with

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01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union, which was amazing. It was the first

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01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: treaty between these two countries really since World War II.

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01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 1: That was an amazing treaty and no credit has really

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01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 1: been given to that because people don't think about it.

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01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 1: But him and Krishoff, Krishchaff, the Premier of Russia and

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01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: him really were on the path of Daytonte. A lot

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01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 1: more could have happened. There was a space race, agreement

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01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 1: to cooperate. It was starting to happen at daytonk and

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01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 1: the forces in our government, the hardliners, let's say, we

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01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 1: don't want peace, we don't want to have any kind

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01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 1: of arrangement with the Soviet Union, succeeded in their plan.

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Speaker 1: To Oliver, let me ask you this, which is what,

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01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 1: at what point did you realize that there was more

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01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 1: to the official story. Why was it so important in

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01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 1: your personal life? And then since then, why have you

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01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 1: continued to try and update the American public create the

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01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 1: compelling confect You know, I didn't watch JFK until I

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01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 1: was like in my teenage years, and I remember watching

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01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:05,879
Speaker 1: it's been like, oh my god, I'm like this is crazy.

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01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 1: Like everything we learn it caused a whole rabbit hole

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01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 1: for me personally on YouTube and more. And now you know,

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Speaker 1: of course your work in this new documentary has been

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Speaker 1: integral and exploring that. Can you talk to us in

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01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 1: the audience about why you think it's still important both

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01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 1: personally to you, but you know, and expand more on

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01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 1: the legacy of the cover up itself. Well, if you

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01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 1: can't look at the past, if you can't see your

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Speaker 1: own history, you're going to be very confused by everything

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Speaker 1: that's happening in the present. And that's what we have now,

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01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 1: massive confusion. We have a media that we don't trust,

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01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 1: in the government that many people don't trust. So it's

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01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 1: it's all a confusing morass of situations that justify going

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01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 1: on with this budget. Nothing changes, We stay in the

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01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 1: status quo. The budget on the Pentagon goes up up,

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01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 1: it's what eight hundred million, eight hundred billion now and

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01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:02,640
Speaker 1: it's probably going to go. It's beyond a trillion with

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Speaker 1: all the intelligence agencies and all the extra costs thrown in,

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01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: and above all, when you have we have to realize,

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01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 1: our presidents are scared. They don't want to touch it.

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Speaker 1: This is the new third rail. You cannot touch Defense

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Speaker 1: of America because they scream national security, They scream listen

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Speaker 1: unless we're out there challenging China, challenging Russia, challenging Iran, Venezuela, Cuba.

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Speaker 1: These are our enemies, that's what they keep saying. And

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Speaker 1: they keep inflating the threat. It's called threat inflation. It's

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Speaker 1: been going on since I was born, since nineteen forty

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Speaker 1: actually started really heavily in the nineteen yeah, with the

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Speaker 1: Korean War. It started in nineteen forty nine fifty without

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Speaker 1: start of spoiling the documentary for people, because we want

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Speaker 1: them to go and see it, and I'm also very

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Speaker 1: interested in watching the four hour version when that comes

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Speaker 1: down as well. Give us a few details that you

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Speaker 1: found that were new that raise additional questions about the

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Speaker 1: official narrative of how and why Kennedy was killed. Well,

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Speaker 1: the assassin the Inside the Record Review Board basically interviewed

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Speaker 1: many people. They went through the for example that the committee,

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Speaker 1: what was the Warren Commission? How was it put together?

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Speaker 1: We found out a lot about from the from those hearings,

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Speaker 1: and uh, it was a crooked deal from the beginning

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Speaker 1: because John Foster Dolles, who was the CIA chief who

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Speaker 1: had been fired by Kennedy, was put I'm sorry, Alan Dallas,

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Speaker 1: that's his brothers, John Foster Dolles, second state. Alan Dulles

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Speaker 1: was put on the board as basically went to all

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Speaker 1: the meetings and was not the head of the board.

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Speaker 1: Warren was Justice Warren. But Dulles basically had controlled everything

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Speaker 1: the CIA presented to them and cut off all the

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Speaker 1: serious questions that could be given to them, which was

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Speaker 1: among them would be what was the CIA doing in Cuba?

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Speaker 1: Was and trying to assassinate Castro? And what was a

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Speaker 1: bay of pigs about, which is a key event in

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Speaker 1: Kennedy's life, what was the missile crisis about? Dulles make

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Speaker 1: sure that the commissioners didn't hear from the CIA. Basically

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Speaker 1: they got bullshit information from them. They came to the

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Speaker 1: same thing was true about FBI. Anything that was sensitive

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Speaker 1: was derailed by dolls. So it's like putting the fox

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Speaker 1: in charge of the chicken coop, as I said back

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Speaker 1: when aside from that, the board went back into the

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Speaker 1: details the evidence, and none of the primary evidence that

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Speaker 1: was used on that day holds up none, not one thing.

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01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 1: The rifle, the bullets, the fingerprints, everything that they blamed

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Speaker 1: on Oswald, not one thing would be held up in

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Speaker 1: court because there was no chain of custody on their information.

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Speaker 1: You'd think they take care in a case like this

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Speaker 1: to be ultra careful to log everything in which they

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01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 1: tried to do. But so many mistakes occurred that it's

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Speaker 1: clear that there was something at work to derail an

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Speaker 1: honest investigation. And we found this out, and we go

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Speaker 1: into the details of all that proof. You should see

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Speaker 1: it to believe it. And one of the thing, sorry,

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Speaker 1: one of the things that I don't know if this

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01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 1: was new or not, but it was something that was

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01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 1: new to me, was the fact that there were other

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Speaker 1: plots on Kennedy's life and attempts on Kennedy's life in

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Speaker 1: that same year that had been uncovered. And yet we're

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Speaker 1: kept secret from the public, and we're kept secret from

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Speaker 1: the Secret Service agents who were tasked with protecting Kennedy

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Speaker 1: talked to us a little bit about that piece too,

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Speaker 1: because that to me was really eye opening. Well, we

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Speaker 1: go into the detail more details about the Chicago the

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Speaker 1: Chicago attempt in November of sixty three before and also

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Speaker 1: the Tampa Tampa, Florida attempt. In Chicago, a landlady spotted

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Speaker 1: four Cubans with rifles in an apartment and she brought

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Speaker 1: it the tension of the FBI or the police, I

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Speaker 1: don't remember, and they arrested two of the Cubans, and

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Speaker 1: they also arrested the man who is going to be

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01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:11,640
Speaker 1: the next Harvey Oswald. He was Thomas Vali and he

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01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 1: had also, like Oswald, had a job in a high

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01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 1: office building where the car would have to slow down

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01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,839
Speaker 1: to make the turn, etc. He had been a marine

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Speaker 1: in the program, in a program in Japan, another base

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Speaker 1: at Japan. He had defected to the Soviet Union, so

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01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 1: it seems as did other people. So it seemed like

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01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 1: it was a program run by the CIA in the

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01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 1: fifties to learn about Russia, sending defectors there, and that's

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Speaker 1: what Oswald was. Came back to the United States, as

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Speaker 1: you know, without difficulty and was set up to take

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Speaker 1: the rap in Chicago if but Kennedy canceled the trip.

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Speaker 1: He was warned by we don't know exactly by who,

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01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 1: but he was warned and he did not go. In Tampa,

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Speaker 1: it was the same thing, except he wasn't a marine,

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01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 1: was a He was a Cuban involved with the Cuban

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Speaker 1: Cuban groups against Castro in Tampa and in Florida. There

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Speaker 1: was a big station in Miami. There were a lot

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Speaker 1: of Cubans involved. It was Kennedy had crossed the line

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Speaker 1: with them, you know, by not going into the Bay

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Speaker 1: of Biggs. He refused to invade Cuba. He refused, and

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Speaker 1: that cost him. He In nineteen sixty two, when the

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Speaker 1: missile crisis came, the generals were very clear, bombed the

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Speaker 1: shit out and we're going in there, and they wanted

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01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 1: to go in. This was an excuse to go in

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Speaker 1: for them because the Russians had put missiles in Cuban.

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Speaker 1: Kennedy again refused to go to war. He came very close.

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Speaker 1: We owe perhaps our lives to his judiciousness in this case,

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01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,679
Speaker 1: because it was very close, and it was really Robert

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Speaker 1: and Jack and the Soviet ambassador and Khrushchev who solved

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Speaker 1: this issue at the last second. It was very scary,

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Speaker 1: but it was clear that if Kennedy the point, the

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Speaker 1: bigger point is that if Kennedy is not going to

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Speaker 1: go invade Cuba, so why the hell is he going

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Speaker 1: to go invade the troops of Vietnam. That was a

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Speaker 1: whole point. You have to think of Cuba, you have

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Speaker 1: to think of Vietnam, and you have to think of

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Speaker 1: Berman in Moscow. These are the three points of a compass,

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Speaker 1: and they all you can put pressure in any one

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Speaker 1: of those. But Vietnam was a ridiculous Kennedy said, if

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to send troops into Cuba ninety miles away,

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Speaker 1: why am I going to send troops six thousand miles away?

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Speaker 1: Remember you only had advisors in Vietnam. Yes, the big

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Speaker 1: historical point that gets confused because historians who are very

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Speaker 1: conservative tend to be conservati are always trying to tell

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Speaker 1: you that Lyndon Johnson transitioned. Johnson continued the policies of Kennedy.

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Speaker 1: That's horseship. He didn't. He changed everything except the civil

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Speaker 1: rights position on Kennedy in Vietnam. He went right to war,

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Speaker 1: took a year, and he sent troops to Vietnam combat

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Speaker 1: troops and that was over. I was one of those

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Speaker 1: combat troops. So that's why particular interest in it. But

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Speaker 1: I didn't know anything at the time. That's what you asked, question,

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Speaker 1: what did I How did I get into it? Not

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Speaker 1: at all. I was a typic old, conventional conservative student,

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Speaker 1: and because my father was Republican and very very intelligent man,

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Speaker 1: and I bought all that stuff that the Russians were

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Speaker 1: out to get us, and that was very much the

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Speaker 1: mood of the nineteen early fifties. Many of my many

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Speaker 1: of my dad's friends were liberals, and he got because

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Speaker 1: he was. He entertained different points of it, but they

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Speaker 1: were all scared in a way. They were scared of

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Speaker 1: speaking up. There was this whole feeling that if you

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Speaker 1: spoke too much, you were a Russian, you're a sympathizer.

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Speaker 1: Same thing is true now, by the way, that's what

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Speaker 1: you should reckon up. The same thing with all this

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Speaker 1: Russia gate ship it starts again and they keep feeding

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Speaker 1: us this Russia, Russia, Russia, and now it's China. You know,

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Speaker 1: you have to understand the nature of threat inflation. This

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Speaker 1: is the this is what our government is great at

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Speaker 1: and the media helps them. They're great at it, been

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Speaker 1: doing it for many years. CI put assets in the

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Speaker 1: media back in the fifties and a lot of them

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Speaker 1: are around this Kennedy case because they make sure that

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Speaker 1: nobody and nobody gets it very far with an investigation

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Speaker 1: on it, they ridicule them. Thank you guys so much

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Speaker 1: the studio. We're looking at bringing on more people, creating

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Speaker 1: more awesome content for all of you. And all we're

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Speaker 1: focused on right now is the midterms, gearing up, be

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Speaker 1: offer it, so thank you, love you guys so much.

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Speaker 1: We got some big guests coming up this week, so

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Speaker 1: stay tuned for that. Have a great day, We'll see

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Speaker 1: you back here tomorrow.