WEBVTT - Mark Zuckerberg's AI Era Has a Woman Problem. It Always Did. 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:05.840 There Are No Girls on the Internet, as a production 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:13.400 of iHeartRadio and Unbossed Creative. I'm Bridget Todd, and this 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.160 is There Are No Girls on the Internet. It's twenty 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.639 twenty six, and Facebook is back in the discourse, this 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:25.280 time because Meta is throwing everything it's got into AI, 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:30.320 new products, new models, full speed ahead, no breaks. And 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:34.000 if this sounds a little bit familiar, it should because 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:37.000 the story of how Mark Zuckerberg got here and who 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:40.600 got left behind, erased, or just plane lied about along 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:43.720 the way, well, that's a story that hasn't really changed much. 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:47.440 I sat down with my friends Samantha and Annie on 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:50.519 the podcast Stuff Mom never told you to revisit a 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:54.120 movie that we like talking about a lot, the social network, 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:58.160 a film that somehow just keeps getting more relevant. We're 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:00.520 digging into what that movie has to say about the 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:03.840 misogyny baked into the founding myth of one of the 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:07.920 Internet's most powerful companies, and also looking ahead to the 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:12.959 sequel centered on whistleblower Francis Hogan's findings about how Facebook 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:16.200 knowingly harmed women and girls. So, on the one hand, 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:18.560 it's a conversation about a film that came out over 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:22.280 fifteen years ago. But on the other it's also kind 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:24.959 of a movie about everything happening right now. 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.800 We didn't anticipate when this episode was going to come out, 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:39.520 you know, we've been hinting at it for a long time, 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:41.679 but it is coming out at a time where I 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.840 think we need to take a fun break. I think 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:47.319 a lot of people need that kind of fun break 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:48.040 right now. 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.080 I let's say it is a fun break, but at 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:52.400 the same time, like, we're still going to talk about issues, 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:54.480 but it's way too I'm like, yeah. 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:59.480 Yeah, some things, yes, we are. Absolutely, it's a fun break. 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:04.080 I guess for very I listeners will be like, oh no, well, 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:08.120 I feel like the lens through using movies as the 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:11.160 entry point to talk about things that are real or rough. 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:14.400 I think is great because your brain is like, this 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:16.880 is all fictional, even though another part of your brain 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.720 is like, no, this is real. You get the I 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:21.560 don't know it. I don't know if other people feel 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:25.119 this way. It kind of lulls me into feeling like, oh, 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:28.320 this is not scary or an upsetting even though it 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.200 is real, because you've got that thin veneer of oh 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:32.800 this is a fictionalized account. 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:38.360 Yes, And as listeners know if you looked at the title, 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:40.280 we are talking about the social network today. And I 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:43.120 have to say to your point, Bridget, I kept when 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:46.000 I was like just writing my random thoughts and notes, 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:50.440 I kept referring to the like the like they were characters. 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:52.560 I was like, Oh, then Mark did this or whatever. 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:56.240 And it was so bizarre because I know that's a 0:02:56.320 --> 0:03:00.760 real person, Mark Zuckerberg out there, but I was referring 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:04.160 to him as if he was like a character, which 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:04.639 I do know. 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:05.400 There is some. 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:11.160 Debate about, you know, how dramatized this is, you know 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:14.600 how accurate it is, But I did catch myself doing 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:15.880 that several times. 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:21.160 To me, Jesse Eisenberg is more Mark Zuckerberg than Mark 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:24.640 Zuckerberg at this point, when I imagine Mark Zuckerberg in 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:28.240 my mind, I'm actually picture picturing Jesse Eisenberg. That's how 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:33.359 much he became Mark Zuckerberg. Or maybe is a Zuckerberg type. 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.880 I don't know, but yeah, they're one and the same 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:41.240 in my mind. I wonder how he would feel about that, Honestly, 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:45.080 like when for the real Mark Zuckerberg that when I 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:48.200 picture him, I don't picture the actual dweeb that is 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:51.800 Mark Zuckerberg. I picture Jesse Eisenberg somebody who I actually 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.600 like have a fondness for right, I think has a 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:55.920 little bit has like charm. 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.560 Yes, I think this movie was very kind to all 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.160 of the ends visual people, totally character with the people 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.880 that represented them. I was like, oh, is justin Timberlake 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.880 sean totally totally Nope. 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:11.320 I had a lot of questions. 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:16.800 I Yes, like Jesse Eisenberg is definitely like endearing, seemingly 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:18.840 like he has this persona. 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:19.200 Of being endearing. 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:23.000 So having an endearing person portray you did him favors. 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:26.919 Even though from my observation of this movie, I was like, Okay, 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:31.400 so what I'm understanding is Zuckerberg is an autistic could 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:33.800 have been in Cell had he not had this route. 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.279 Like that's the lot of what I found out. 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.760 The way that massogyny and I know we're going to 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:42.279 talk about it, but the way that misogyny bookens the film, 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:47.039 and then is this thread throughout even you know, obviously 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.440 with how Zuckerberg starts getting these ideas for Facebook, but 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.600 even in ways that are not connected to the digital world. 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:55.880 The way that these college campuses are sort of portrayed 0:04:55.920 --> 0:05:00.400 as like misogynistic meat markets where women artist commodities. I 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:03.719 think the movie is trying to illustrate how like Zuckerberg 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.560 didn't invent that, he just put it online and made 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:07.360 it scalable. 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:09.960 Oh, yes, we have so much to talk about. 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:12.880 So I hope this is the first of a series 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:16.680 where we do tech movies and we have these conversations. 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:19.960 I know that you have some you've mentioned before, you 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:22.520 want to talk about bridget but yes, I think this 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:25.640 is a good one to kick it off with Social Network. 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:29.080 So I'm going to give a brief. 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:32.080 Rundown of it, and then I'll ask you if you 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:34.120 can give a brief plot. 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:34.640 Description of it. 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:36.119 I sure can, I sure can. 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:36.760 Excellent. 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:40.200 So The Social Network was a twenty ten film based 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:43.880 on the book The Occidental Billionaires, which was written by 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:47.480 Ben Mezrick. It was directed by David Fincher and written 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:51.960 by Aaron Sorkin, and it depicted the origins of Facebook, 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:54.799 how Facebook came to be. So yes, we got Jesse 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:59.599 Eisenberg playing Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg Andrew Garfield playing his 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:05.920 friend business partner until they weren't Eduardo saveregn Justin Timberlake 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:09.159 Sean Parker, the founder of Napster and a mentor to 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:13.000 Zuckerberg and Armie Hammer as the Vinkelvos ten Twins, which 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:14.760 I remember when this came out, I watched like a 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.680 special on how they did his how they did the 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.320 twins And if you noticed, one of them is usually 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:22.919 wearing like a bandana or something and that's for the 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:24.039 face scanning. 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:29.040 Oh that makes a lot of sense. 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:35.520 Yes, yes, this film was a critical and financial success. 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.359 In twenty twenty four, the Library of Congress named The 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:43.560 Social Network as quote culturally, historically or esthetically significant and 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:47.839 inducted it into their National Film Registry of Note. A 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.480 lot of people depicted in the film were very adamant 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:54.960 that this was not an accurate portrayal of events. And 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.080 I also just have to say, the kid from Jurassic 0:06:58.120 --> 0:06:59.560 Park who I had a crush on when I. 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:01.360 Was a kid, was in this movie. 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:02.680 Who is he? 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:08.920 Dustin Moskowitz. He's the roommate coder. Yes, wow, I would 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:10.120 be from Jurassic Park. 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:12.200 I would have never picked that up. And also sign 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:13.720 out of course he had a crush on that kid, 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:14.360 I know. 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:19.720 So me, Oh my gosh. All right, so Bridget, can 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:21.320 you run down the plot for us? 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.880 I can. So the movie opens up in two thousand 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.680 and three with Mark Zuckerberg. He's a sophomore at Harvard. 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:31.000 He has just gotten dumped by his girlfriend, Erica, who 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:34.720 is fictional like the Erica character that we see that 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.360 bookends the film is not based on a real person. 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:40.840 He is at a bar with her. He's being very 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.840 dismissive and condescending to her. She breaks up with him. 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:46.400 He goes home, he gets drunk, and he writes a 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:50.720 nasty blog post about her, and in a fit of 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:55.280 bitter energy, hacks into the Harvard student directories to build 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:59.000 a site called facemash to let people rate the female 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.320 students in all the dorms against each other. He said 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:06.840 that he was initially thinking about having the girls pictures 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:09.320 next to farm animals, but then he decided not to 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.800 do that. That is not fictional. That is a real 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:16.760 quote from what a then college sophomore Mark Zuckerberg wrote. 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.560 So he ends up making this site facemash. It's so 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:24.480 popular that it crashes the university servers overnight, becomes a 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:29.240 complete sensation, and it lands Zuckerberg in some campus disciplinary trouble. 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:33.760 All of this hubbub catches the attention of the twins 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:37.520 that you just mentioned before, Cameron and Tyler Winklbass and 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:41.520 their business partner, who recruit Zuckerberg to help build out 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:44.400 a plan that they had for a Harvard only social 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:49.600 network that they were calling Harvard Connection. Zuckerberg agrees, there's 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:54.320 definitely a dynamic where they are these tall guys on 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.560 the rowing team, and Zuckerberg's this big nerd. You've got 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:01.240 these big these these big strong men about town, like 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.720 men on campus recruiting who are meant to understands like this, 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:10.520 like kind of like mousey neurotic, you know, beta to 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:14.240 use language that I'm sure that they have used amongst 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:18.680 each other. So Zuckerberg ends up kind of besting these two. 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.360 He just sort of he agrees. He takes their money 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.319 to build the site, strings them along for months, doesn't 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:28.080 do any real work, and then launches his own site 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:30.880 that kind of has a very similar idea the Facebook 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:37.040 dot com. The site explodes, Zuckerberg's best friend Eduardo becomes 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.840 this co founder and puts up the initial money. Then 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:44.840 Napster co founder Sean Parker, who is played by Justin Timberlake, 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:51.160 breathes into their lives instantly, charms Mark Zuckerberg and gradually 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.800 pushes Eduardo, who up until this point had been this 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:58.360 like loyal friend to Zuckerberg ahough they did have some tension, 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.960 ends up pushing at work out of the company while 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:06.640 pulling Facebook towards Silicon Valley and toward Sean Parker and 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.440 the investment of Petertiel. The whole story is kind of 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:14.840 framed around these two simultaneous lawsuits, the Winklevoss twins suing 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:19.600 Zuckerberg for stealing his idea, and Eduardo, Zuckerberg's previous best friend, 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:24.000 suing him for pushing him out of the company and 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:27.120 diluting his shares down to almost nothing. In the end, 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:30.600 both cases and up settling. The movie, I said it 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:35.240 starts with Zuckerberg having problems with a woman in his life. 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:39.200 Well that in the sort of fitis and Caine reveal 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:42.959 at the end of the movie is Zuckerberg sitting alone 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:47.599 refreshing his ex girlfriend Erica's Facebook page, just waiting to 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.280 see if she will accept his friend request, and she 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:54.640 does not, And the irony is very clear. Facebook has 0:10:54.679 --> 0:11:00.800 five hundred million friends, Zuckerberg doesn't have a single one. 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.280 I love the ending so much. 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:08.600 It's so good because he's so sad and so alone, 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:13.640 and he just keeps refreshing the page and it lingers. 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:16.199 On that moment, it holds. 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:21.199 And he has this conversation with Sean Parker. Sean Parker says, 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:25.000 the reason I started Napster was because there was a 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:28.320 girl I wanted to get her attention. She was with 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:33.560 someone else, and Zuckerberg asked him, like, do you still 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:35.360 think about her? Do you still think about that girl? 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:40.040 And Sean Parker's like, no, but you've got Mark Zuckerberg. 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:42.720 Who's still hung up on oh. 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:45.000 She broke up with me. He tries to have that 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:48.880 conversation with her later, like, oh, I made this website. 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:50.480 I have you seen it? 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:52.400 Maybe you've heard of it, and she's like, good luck 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:57.920 with your video game. Yeah. That Sean Parker scene really 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:00.199 stuck with me. He's like, oh, you want to know why? 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:02.480 And then a Napster. The girl I loved in high 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.560 school was with the captain of the lacrosse team, so 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:06.440 I wanted to take her from him, so I started 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.560 the next big thing. And he's like he's like, oh, 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.439 I saw your your Face smash blog and Zuckerberg is 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:15.400 like ooh, Like that was just me you know, playing 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:19.400 the the trolls and basements online. But Parker is like, no, no, no, 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:22.440 I wasn't dismissing it. I loved it. Like, isn't that 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.560 what this whole thing is about? You know, this is 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.880 our time? And I think, like it just really points 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:33.960 to the ethos of technology being that gross, childish, toxic 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:37.080 men with the misogynistic chip on their shoulder. And clearly 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.680 for Parker it was not even about that girl. Really, 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:41.120 He's like, I don't even talk about her at all. 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:45.640 It was about the girl was just a a through 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:49.440 line to make himself feel more important than this, like 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:52.280 Jock on the lacrosse team who feels like best at him. 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.959 And so I said that to say, you see how 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:58.560 much of our current tech infrastructure is built by personal, 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.719 deeply personal, animate and massagedy. 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:08.520 Yes, I mean that the whole idea that Facebook started. 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.200 He in the movie at least he gets broken up with, 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:17.480 goes straight home, makes this based on makes this being 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:22.160 rating two pictures of two women. And then there's a 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:26.920 scene that follows like a montage scene of a bunch 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:31.000 of college dudes like laughing and rating the women. 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:34.760 And then also there's a through line we're going to 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:35.320 come back to. 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:40.400 But of exclusivity and Zuckerberg really wanting to get into 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:44.040 these private final clubs. Let me get it right at 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:48.679 final clubs okay, which I don't know. They sound like 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:52.040 great fraternities where you get haze and I guess they're 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.600 really fancy and well known, but he really. 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:58.920 Wants to get into them and does not. 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:05.000 But so you have a scene of those final clubs 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:10.560 where there's a bus picking up young women and the 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.000 men are watching them like strip and kiss and all 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.760 of this stuff. And then you have like shots of 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.400 women seeing face mash and being like, oh, this is 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:23.600 so pathetic, this is so sad. And then you see 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:27.080 Erica kind of finding out Erica, the girl that broke 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:30.080 up with him, finding out what she wrote about him 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:31.760 and being mocked for it. 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:34.640 And so I thought that was a really interesting. 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:40.680 Like the way that montage breaks down of seeing how 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:44.560 this plays out online, because Zuckerberg makes the point several 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:47.760 times we're trying to put the college life online, but 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:51.520 also how it is playing out in like in real 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:55.560 life in college, like outside of the internet in college. 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:59.800 Yeah, there's the scene where that you sort of just 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.880 decribed it where Erica is in her dorm and Mark, 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:06.960 in his angry blog after she dumps him, says like, oh, 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:09.720 she may seem like she's got a decent body, but 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:12.359 she's getting a lot of help from Patting and Victoria's 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:15.680 secret two guys bust into her dorm room to brake 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:18.440 her about this, shaking bras at her, and I think 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:21.240 it really shows like just a climate of casual massage, 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:24.160 and these women are existing in both online and off. 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:28.160 But once it's once that world is transferred to the 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:32.600 digital realm, how it becomes super charged? Right? And you 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:35.320 know Mark has this line in the movie where he says, 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.280 what we want to do with Facebook, it's like building 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:40.960 a finals club, except we're the president. Because in the 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:43.920 movie you see both Mark and his friend Eduardo having 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:47.280 a lot of like rivalry, intention and anxiety about whether 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:49.200 or not they're going to get into the best finals club. 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.440 That argument with eric at the beginning of the movie. 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:54.360 It starts with her saying, you should try out for 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:56.360 the easiest to get into club and he's like, what 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:57.760 you think I can't get into the harder to get 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.160 into clubs. And so, you know, I really think that 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.640 idea that like what if we use the Internet to 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:06.960 build a world that's all about the exclusivity and you know, 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:10.720 gross parts of frat life, only we're in charge of it. 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:13.360 Like that, I think that like that really is when 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:17.240 I am on Facebook or x or Instagram, I feel 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:20.840 like I he really did that really does nicely summarize. 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.080 I think the tech landscape that we're all in now 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.760 it's like a finals club, except it's run by people 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:27.680 like Mark Zuckerberg. Yes. 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.120 Yes, And he also has a line in the beginning 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:36.440 when he's talking with Erica about so condescending, where he says, 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:39.320 you know, you should really be more invested in this 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:42.840 because I'm going to be opening the doors for you. Essentially, 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.760 you're going to meet a lot of people because of me. 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:49.520 And that just reminds me so much of a lot 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:53.080 what is going on with her a lot of things, 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:56.800 But in this instance, the tech industry is you know, 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:00.600 you can women, marginalize folks, you can come in, but 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:02.040 we're the ones going to open the door. 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.359 You have to exist within our framework and with our 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:06.720 within our rules. 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.440 And I feel like we've just seen that at so many, 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:14.760 so many lawsuits, like the lawsuit with Blizzard as one 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:18.240 that comes to mind where it feels very like you 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:21.879 can come in, but we can kick you out just 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:25.600 as easily. You need to exist only for only in 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:26.480 the way we think that. 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:27.280 You should exist. 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.399 And when we see the montage of all the different 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:32.239 guys that are around, it's like part of me is like, 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:34.520 these are the people she's meant to be thanking you 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:38.360 for putting her around. These guys all seem like animals, 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:42.439 you know, like these like drunk guys. We're like hooting 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:45.480 at women to take their clothes off. I'm supposed to 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:47.760 be like, oh, yeah, thanks for getting me into this world. 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.320 This is what I've always wanted, right. 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.399 I found it interesting because so this is my first viewing. 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:10.840 I've never actually seen it. I've only seen like previews. 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:11.640 Or like excerpts of it. 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.359 So there was a lot of fascination because this is 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:18.520 also putting me back into the beginning of Facebook, because 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.720 I was in that era was I was at the beginning, 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.800 remembering you had to be an edu. It had to 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:28.080 be an EDU in order to register into Facebook to 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.920 begin with, and it only really stuck with you in 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:33.760 that university that that's the only way you could get 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.280 into Facebook. Like I was in that era, So seeing 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:38.160 all the beginning of this and then seeing the beginning 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:40.879 of Silicon Valley and like, we didn't know what that 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:44.280 meant at that time, as this was in the year 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.040 of two thousand and five, by the way I found 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:49.199 out I was older than Zuckerberg. Got that moment and 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:50.800 I was like, I hate everything right now. 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:51.440 I hate it. 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:57.080 Like when you start like referencing timelines, I'm like, God, okay, fine, anyway, 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:00.320 but seeing all of that, seeing it in unfolding and 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:04.040 them not exactly with us, not exactly realizing what this 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:08.240 would end to, but seeing this in an entertainment value. 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:11.760 Also in the rhetoric of like Dawson's Creek era of 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:15.080 monologues or dialogues that I was like, what is what 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:15.880 is this? 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:19.640 If that's a puling baby, Yes, it is like there 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:25.920 Auray Nickmill days of dialogue and conversation and characters. I 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:31.120 was like, Wow, Wow, this movie really is is What's 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:37.520 the beginning of a whole new like subplot slash like 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:41.960 ideals and plot lines that would become stereotypical now. 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:45.160 It's so funny to hear you say this. I'm rewatching 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:48.600 Dawson's Creek and boy do those kids make a lot 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:52.760 of dramatic monologues in publics to each other. But that 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:54.959 was Sorkin. Sorkin, I don't know if you ever watched 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:58.600 The West Wing, which I loved, or The Newsroom, which 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:01.560 is like a terrible show, but I secretly I've seen 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:04.919 every episode and love it very much. But like them, 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:08.320 Like in normal life, how often has someone stood up 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:11.240 on a plane and made a dramatic grand standing speech. 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:13.800 In Sorcin world, it happens like every other beat. 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:17.800 Yes, it is kind of satisfied. 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:19.320 Oh I love it. 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:21.679 I love it. I'm such a sucker for I'm a 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:26.240 sucker for so many of the Sorkin tropes. The speeches, 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:30.600 the walking quickly while discussing something West Wing did that, 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:32.880 It's just like, it's just like something in my brain. 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:37.080 I'm like, yes, show me two people quickly strutting. They 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:40.639 couldn't take a minute to discuss this thing standing or like, 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:42.800 just get book time on my calendar, make have a meeting, No, 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:44.600 we have to, We're so busy. You gotta like do 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:47.080 a walk and talk. I love a walk and talk. Yeah. 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:51.119 I remember when Facebook, so I was I was in 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:55.720 college when Facebook became big. I remember when I started 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:59.560 college before Facebook was invented, and I graduated when Facebook 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:03.560 was a thing. I was a scene kid, an alt kid, 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:07.840 so I was like a MySpace girl, a live journal girl, 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:12.000 like if you were alt, those were your platforms when 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:14.400 Facebook came. I remember the girl in the dorm next 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:16.920 to me. She claimed to have been the reason why 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:19.199 Facebook came to our college, because I think you had 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:22.959 to like advocate for you at this time, after all 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:26.560 the exclusive ivy's got Facebook, you had to advocate for 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:31.760 your big public university to get it, like to have 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:35.320 for Facebook to Dane to be there. And this girl 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:36.960 who lived next to me was like, I'm the reason 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:40.640 why Facebook came to East Carolina University. I remember thinking 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:44.600 it was kind of passe and that my Space was 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:47.200 where all the cool kids were because you could put 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:50.159 music on your MySpace profile, like you could like customize 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:54.440 your MySpace profile. And it's so funny how obviously MySpace 0:21:55.480 --> 0:22:01.600 did not have staying power. You know, my Space, Tom 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:04.320 is not the like it's not meeting in the Trump 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:07.440 White House and like disrupting our democracy. Not to say 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:09.040 that my Space was all good, because it wasn't, but 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:11.920 it's just funny how if I had to guess which 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:14.840 one of these platforms would go on to entrench itself 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:17.159 in power, it would not have been Facebook. 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:18.040 Yeah. 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:20.280 Yeah, No, I had to look up because now that 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:23.040 I'm like, oh, there was a there was a I 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:28.119 guess a tier in how Facebook would allow who which universities. 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:29.879 I had to look up my school. It was fairly 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:31.879 late two thousand and four, two thousand and five. Wow, 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:34.160 we were pretty early on and we were not IVY League. 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:38.359 Because I had to look Uga. It was Uga, So. 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:39.600