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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you, RJ,

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Speaker 2: Spiina back with us. RJ has changed many lives through

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Speaker 2: his somewhat unconventional teachings. He's an internationally published, three time

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Speaker 2: best selling author, Humanitarian Award winner. His latest work is

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Speaker 2: called The Law of Attention. RJ. Welcome back. How have

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Speaker 2: you been.

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Speaker 3: I've been very well, Georgian. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: having me on again. I think this could be my

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Speaker 3: fifth time on your show. I got a film. People

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Speaker 3: are going to think we're long lost brothers separated at birth.

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Speaker 2: We might be, We might be. Will you do a

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Speaker 2: great job for us?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I appreciate it, and thank you again. Thank you

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Speaker 3: for having me, George, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Meditation, manifestation, my gosh, how do we get involved in

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Speaker 2: doing that?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, as you said, I do have an

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Speaker 3: unconventional approach, but I would say meditation we have been

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Speaker 3: taught incorrectly. I like to say that the self what

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Speaker 3: we really are. And if you want to use the

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Speaker 3: word soul or the I am or consciousness itself, it

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Speaker 3: exists prior to thinking, prior to emoting, prior to the body,

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Speaker 3: prior to the incarnation. So really the self is meditation.

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Speaker 3: So in essence, we don't have to quote unquote do

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Speaker 3: anything to meditate. We have simply normalized constant doing this thinking,

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Speaker 3: emoting and analysis, and so therefore we struggle to actually

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Speaker 3: just stop doing it because that's sort of like the

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Speaker 3: default setting now. But if we would literally just allow

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Speaker 3: and accept ourself for who we are and not try

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Speaker 3: to live up to something, not try to check off

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Speaker 3: a to do list in terms of analysis, constant motion,

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Speaker 3: we would realize that we are meditation itself and it

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Speaker 3: doesn't even require an effort.

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Speaker 2: Give us your definition, our jay of meditation.

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Speaker 3: It's the space between thoughts, is really what it is.

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Speaker 3: And there's so many ways that we can actually normalize

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Speaker 3: not thinking perpetually. I know on the surface people like, no,

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Speaker 3: I have to think all day long, but I promise

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Speaker 3: you we don't have to do that. We've just normalized that.

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Speaker 3: But the self is meditation and it's the space in

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Speaker 2: Are we born with the ability to meditate it? Do

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Speaker 2: we have to be trained?

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Speaker 3: No, we are the self awareness. We are meditation George.

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Speaker 3: We have been indoctrinated and trained to constantly think, analyze,

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Speaker 3: and do, and so that's why it's difficult for people

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Speaker 3: to do it because our normal setting is thinking, analyzing, doing,

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Speaker 3: constantly moving around. But if we just accepted ourself for

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Speaker 3: who we are, not try to live up to something,

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Speaker 3: we would realize that we would naturally start to be present.

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Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean not do things, because that's kind

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Speaker 3: of like the flow state, but we would naturally start

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Speaker 3: to be present, and we would mind activity just start

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Speaker 3: to go down. And as mind activity goes down, we

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Speaker 3: start to widen, so to speak, the space between thoughts.

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Speaker 2: And what would you say, our jay, the manifestation of meditating.

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Speaker 2: What's the value of it?

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Speaker 3: Well, meditation has endless benefits, health benefits, the ability to

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Speaker 3: feel like you're fully here, to become fully engaged. It

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Speaker 3: and beliefs. They start to fall away. We start to

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Speaker 3: feel more like our self. So and our DNA is

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Speaker 3: constantly being changed moment to moment, and nothing changes it

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Speaker 3: more than actually allowing ourselves to be present. We keep

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Speaker 3: misprogramming ourselves with concepts, beliefs, roles, ideologies, so called knowledge.

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Speaker 3: If we begin to normalize being present, those tethers over

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Speaker 3: frequency raises, illness disharmony cannot exist in a high frequency environment.

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Speaker 3: The benefits, George, of meditation are literally endless. We still

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Speaker 3: don't really understand all the benefits of meditation.

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Speaker 2: Did Jesus meditate?

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Speaker 3: I think yeah, absolutely, And I think there's a couple

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Speaker 3: of ways to look at this, George. So by being present, right,

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Speaker 3: so we can call that non thought, that is a

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Speaker 3: state of meditation. Now there's also various ways, and I

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Speaker 3: if we think about I'll just use an analogy, if

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Speaker 3: Those higher states of consciousness or higher frequencies can be normalized.

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Speaker 3: And so I don't know if you've ever seen like

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Speaker 2: Is yoga a form of meditation.

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Speaker 3: Yoga is meditation for the body, it absolutely is. And

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Speaker 3: crea yoga which was brought to the West by Paramahatsi

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Speaker 3: Yogananda realized that we had to go through the body

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Speaker 3: But now the base frequencies of humanity, even though it

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Speaker 3: Yogananda first started bringing crea yoga over to the West. So,

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Speaker 3: and that's part of why I can teach instantaneous one

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Speaker 2: Why does meditation seem to involve breathing techniques.

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Speaker 3: Well it can't, it can, Georgia doesn't. It doesn't have to,

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Speaker 3: It doesn't have to. But the reason what the breathing

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Speaker 3: And that's really it. Because the mind is typically just active, right,

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Speaker 2: What would you say or the benefits to people who meditate, George.

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Speaker 3: I feel like the only time you really start to

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Speaker 3: and passionate about. Meditation can be George can be completely normalized.

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Speaker 3: And I know this sounds weird, but it's absolutely true

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Speaker 2: Fascinating it truly is. Now is that different from manifestation.

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Speaker 3: Well, manifestation is more about bringing about the whatever your

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Speaker 3: So in other words, if we desire to manifest something

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Speaker 3: And this is why I like to say we manifest

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Speaker 2: What ways could people meditate that most people could do

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Speaker 2: very easily. There, I have a.

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Speaker 3: Whole bunch of what I call instantaneous meditation magic tricks

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Speaker 3: actually is. But that's one way, and I teach that

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Speaker 2: Spina. His latest book is called The Law of Attention.

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Speaker 2: We'll get into that in a moment. Who taught you

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Speaker 2: these techniques? That?

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Speaker 3: So? George, I describe it, and it's the only way

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Speaker 3: I can describe it. I describe these things as a remembering.

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Speaker 3: I was never taught meditation, any formal meditation. I've never

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Speaker 3: was just something that happened with me. I mean, as

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Speaker 3: I created any of these things. They just seemed to

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Speaker 2: Fascinating.

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Speaker 1: RJ.

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Speaker 2: Spina. Now, your new book is called The Law of Attention.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about the title.

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Speaker 3: The Law, Okay, George, So the law of attention is

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Speaker 3: probably the most not slept on, eternal and immutable law

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Speaker 3: of the universe. And the law of attention, where your

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Speaker 3: attention goes, your energy flows, and where your energy flows,

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Speaker 3: it grows. So whatever our attention is upon becomes our

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Speaker 3: we're putting our attention on things that do not necessarily

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Speaker 3: bring us joy, completeness, fulfillment, inner peace, passion. We're putting

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Speaker 3: for us. It really isn't. The law of attention is

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Speaker 3: of like a container. The soul is kind of like

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Speaker 3: a container, George. So whatever you put your attention on,

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Speaker 3: think about like a scary movie. I'll use an easy example.

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Speaker 3: we take this really far, and all you do is

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Speaker 3: that by being present NonStop. The only thing that expands,

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Speaker 3: the im that unfolds. It's the self that unfolds. It's

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Speaker 3: right now, true mystics and masters understand this, and this

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Speaker 3: is exactly what they do.

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Speaker 2: Is the law of attention. Does it echo the law

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Speaker 2: of attraction? Not?

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Speaker 3: No, not not really tors the law of attraction. I mean,

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Speaker 3: from from my perspective, the law of attraction is kind

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Speaker 3: of a yeah, kind of a dumbed down humanistic version

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Speaker 3: Hermetic principles that was brought forth by thought.

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Speaker 3: Who's also Buddha by the way, So no, it doesn't

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Speaker 3: mirror the law the law of attraction. The law of

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Speaker 3: attention is more about how you actually create your reality,

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Speaker 3: because what your attention is upon becomes your reality. It's

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Speaker 3: much more empowering to realize that we are literally creating

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Speaker 3: as I said, if we want to grow ourself, if

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Speaker 3: we want to know ourself, if we want to reach

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Speaker 3: is keep our attention on the sell because what your

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Speaker 3: to knowing yourself right, know thyself and all thy infinite potential,

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Speaker 3: and then how to actually create the life that you want.

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Speaker 3: If you continue to put your attention on what you

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Speaker 3: want to grow, that's what we'll grow. This is the key.

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Speaker 3: The law of attention unlocks supernatural abilities on it unlocks

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Speaker 3: the reality that we want to create for ourselves, and

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Speaker 3: it also helps us develop which has never really talked

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Speaker 3: about anymore for a reason. It also helps us develop

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Speaker 3: there's no way to create a reality that we desire

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Speaker 3: where we're putting our attention, and that's why the law

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Speaker 3: of attention is so important, and ours has been hijacked, George,

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Speaker 3: by constantly putting our attention on doom and gloom, all

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Speaker 3: these negative scenarios. It doesn't mean to be blind to it,

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Speaker 3: but if your attention is always on it, you actually

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Speaker 3: hold that frequency, emanate it, and then we actually build

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