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Speaker 2: good to see you, man, you too good to be here.

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Speaker 2: So your name, so I got to start there because

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Speaker 2: I it's Kleto. But if people call you Clido, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Heard it, Yeah, first time in kindergarten. Is when I

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Speaker 1: heard that, and I didn't even know that was who

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Speaker 1: My grandfather Gletel Martinez. He was a farmer and I

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Speaker 2: We named her after her grandpa. So that's my wife's dad. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: That's very synchroneous, i'd say, ah, a good word. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Do you read? I do?

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Speaker 1: And imagine they're proud, but they're happy that we're happy.

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Speaker 1: Simply would you.

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Speaker 1: time capsule and you're at risk of being mushy. I

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Speaker 1: just I mean, it'll move me to tears, thinking like, man,

432
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,359
Speaker 1: you were really lucky that you had that you got

433
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,679
Speaker 1: to grow up this way, and that you had this example.

434
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,760
Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, they're awesome people. Now they get to

435
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,640
Speaker 1: live vicariously through us. They they're retired now, so they

436
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 1: come see us. They get to see the country and

437
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,160
Speaker 1: us at the same time. It's great.

438
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Speaker 2: Is your room still the same pretty much?

439
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a guitar tree with all these old shitty

440
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,160
Speaker 1: guitars on it. Not fancy, but still out of tune,

441
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:41,719
Speaker 1: you know.

442
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Speaker 2: But what did you have on your walls in that

443
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,639
Speaker 2: room at Pete Klatto? What was on what was on

444
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:46,679
Speaker 2: the on your walls?

445
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 1: I had a guitar chords poster, which probably I knew

446
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:52,920
Speaker 1: like five of the chords on there, and the rest

447
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 1: were totally nonsense. I don't know what they meant. I'm

448
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,959
Speaker 1: pretty sure I had a poster Jimmy Hendrix at one

449
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 1: point on there maybe some art that I painted in

450
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 1: senior year of high school of the Joker, the Heath

451
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 1: Ledger Joker, Bob Marley as well, and then a bunch

452
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 1: of like DVDs. Crossroads Festival, Eric Clapton two thousand and seven,

453
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Speaker 1: Stevie Ray Vaughan live at Austin CD Limits, John Mayer,

454
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Speaker 1: Where the Light Is.

455
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 2: That live album one of my favorite, so great, that's

456
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Speaker 2: my favorite artist of all time is John Mayer.

457
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Speaker 3: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

458
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Speaker 3: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 2: When you talk about you being in that environment with

460
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Speaker 2: where Randy Rodgers was playing. What triggered in me was

461
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 2: the first song that I ever heard where I thought

462
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 2: that song was speaking for me, which one this song

463
00:21:55,760 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 2: from John Mayer was stop this Train it And so

464
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 2: that's the first time that I've ever had a songwriter

465
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,199
Speaker 2: say something that I didn't know I felt. It's like

466
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 2: a good comedian, you're like, oh my god, I was

467
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 2: thinking the same thing, but like you didn't think it

468
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 2: exactly like you didn't you didn't have the articulation to

469
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 2: express it in the way that they did. But I

470
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 2: remember hearing stop this Train and going, oh my god,

471
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Speaker 2: that's how I feel. And I didn't know how to

472
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 2: say that. And he's speaking for me, not to me,

473
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 2: not at me, he's speaking for me. Like that's the

474
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 2: first songwriter that I ever loved. And you know, there's

475
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 2: a lyric in that song it's like, I'm so scared

476
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Speaker 2: of getting older. I'm only good at being young. My

477
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 2: whole career, I've always been the youngest to do what

478
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 2: I was doing right forever I was either seventeen or

479
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 2: twenty two doing a national show. But like everything started

480
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 2: to catch up and I remember thinking, oh my god, like,

481
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 2: am I even good or was I just young? Like

482
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Speaker 2: that's that's how I felt, like, am I really good

483
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 2: at what I was doing? Or was I just young?

484
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 2: And people thought I was good because I was doing

485
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 2: it so young? And you know, that song hit me.

486
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 2: So when you talked about that Randy Rogers, just that experience,

487
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 2: that's what triggered to me. But that's like a songwriter

488
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 2: that writes for me. Now he's a little older than me,

489
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 2: so you know, I was able to kind of chase

490
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 2: his lyrics and his understanding and it fell into me,

491
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 2: who writes songs that you feel the same way about?

492
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Speaker 1: Ironically at him. He was one of those ones that

493
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Speaker 1: was out of the country realm that my grandmother passed

494
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 1: away around the time the Continuum album happened, and my

495
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 1: sister lived right across the hallway from me. She'd play

496
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: a CD every night. It was that one, and I

497
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 1: remember like listening to Heart of Life and stuff that

498
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 1: was just like lyrics, it was something that it was another.

499
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 1: It wasn't the radio, which you know, it has a

500
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: certain if it's tune to a country station, it's only

501
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 1: going to play this. But she played that when He

502
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: was one of them for me that I just like

503
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: every word that he sang and expressed about was I

504
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 1: could relate to as well. Willie Nelson's another one. I

505
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: feel like a really as I started to learn songwriting,

506
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: you could read his lyrics and they're so simple, and

507
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: the rhymes are so simple, but yet how he delivers

508
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: them and they're still profound and emotional. I like is

509
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: Bill's work too, Like when Southeast? That Southeastern record and

510
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: the one thereafter was a it's not if it takes

511
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 1: a lifetime, it's something more than free, just stuff that

512
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 1: you're like, Wow, how did he like? He said, he

513
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: expressed something that we felt, But I don't know how

514
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Speaker 1: many lifetimes I'd have to live to be able to

515
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,719
Speaker 1: string it out that way. Those are something that come

516
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Speaker 1: to mind.

517
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Speaker 2: Did you feel the need to listen to a lot

518
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 2: of Texas music or were you just in the middle

519
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: of a lot of Texas music so that's what you

520
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 2: listened to.

521
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: I was exposed to it, for sure. They had a

522
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: two hour block every Saturday that was like Texas country.

523
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 1: Guys like Kevin Fowler, Pat Green, Randy Rod, Joshabbit Band,

524
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: Stony LaRue, and the Red dirt scene, Jason Bullen and

525
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 1: the Stragglers turned Pike Troubadoors. So it was definitely in

526
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: my orbit once I started, But before that it was

527
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: just whatever country stations my mom kept the radio on,

528
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: and Brooks and dun George Stray, Alan Jackson, just all

529
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: that era of country two thousands, nineties. But yeah, the

530
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: whole when I saw Randy playing in my backyard, essentially

531
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: I realized that, okay, you can write your own songs

532
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: and tour and sing them and play different people. So

533
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: if he's doing, and I started going catching all these

534
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 1: Texas red dirt dudes doing their thing, and just gave

535
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: me more hope and faith that we could do it too, hopefully,

536
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: you know, if we got to write songs. So it

537
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: spurred all these other things that I had to buckle

538
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: down and learn singing. Goodness, gracious, people compliment my voice now,

539
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: But it took this whole time since I met you

540
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: to figure out what I'm doing, and even then, I

541
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: still know there's a lot more to learn. But yeah,

542
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: being graceful to yourself along the way and not quitting

543
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 1: because am I good enough? You know? Or am I

544
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 1: just young? Like you're saying people gave me a slack

545
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: for but yeah, I'm just trying to learn and still

546
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: learn from those guys. When I hang out with Randy,

547
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: I'm not I understand that we're peers, but I also

548
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 1: hold reverence to those that came before us, and I

549
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: feel like we can learn from each other because I

550
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: before I was a songwriter or a singer, a guitar player,

551
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: and I think about things. I was a son and

552
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: then I was a brother, a little brother first, so

553
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: I still know how to be a little brother and

554
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: learn from people. At least I want to stay that

555
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: way to some degree.

556
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Speaker 2: I wasn't exposed to Texas Country growing up in Arkansas.

557
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,719
Speaker 2: But when I moved to Texas because I lived there

558
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 2: for twelve years, I've did in Austin. I was dunked

559
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: in because you get to Austin, it's Kevin Fowler, Pat Green,

560
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 2: It's every night of the week. Yeah, And the most

561
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: passionate musical people I've ever in my life are people

562
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: that live in Texas when it comes to Texas artists,

563
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: and so I got to know that world really well.

564
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna ask you a question, and then based

565
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: on your answer, I'm gonna tell you a story. But

566
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: what's the difference? And I know the answer, I think,

567
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 2: but you being a Texas artist, what's the difference in

568
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: Texas and Red Dirt?

569
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: The name that you prescribe to it, and geographically where

570
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: you're from, like the Red Rivers, the line that separates

571
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: the two. Yeah, they're they're just homegrown. It's homegrown, homespun music.

572
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: And you write about the characters and the people that

573
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: you're around. There's different dialects where you go. Oaki's are different.

574
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: Texans are a little different. They got their own, you know,

575
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: way of boasting and their own sayings that are kind

576
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: of quirky and stuff like that. So I just think, yeah,

577
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: it's pretty much you're writing whatever your spawn in, you know,

578
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: whatever seed in the soil you're from, you're gonna sprout

579
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: and be like those flowers that are from there or

580
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: whatever have you.

581
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 2: Can you be Texas Country and Red Dirt at the

582
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 2: same time, That's my first question? Yes or no?

583
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: Cannot Can you be Texas?

584
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: Can you be considered both Texas Country and Red Dirt?

585
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: Like as an artist? Yes?

586
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: Yes, because I would I would say yes that I

587
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 2: have friends that are Texas Country. They're also Red dirt,

588
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: But I have friends that are red dirt Oklahoma that

589
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: aren't Texas country.

590
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure that well, And I grew up with the

591
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: phrase Texas country, like now I just call it Texas music.

592
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: There's so many different guys that have come into the scene,

593
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: like co Etzel's and parkham Columns, Like some of it's

594
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: rocky or some of it's grungy. But if you go

595
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: back to like guys like Willie that were here in

596
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: Nashville and they went back to Texas to just be

597
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: what they are, sound like what they want to sound like.

598
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: I think it has that is still the same, like

599
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: DNA that's within all of it. It is this like

600
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: express yourself how you see fit. And Texas has a

601
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: lot of history with fiddles and all that kind of stuff,

602
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: so like it does have a sound. But yeah, there

603
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: definitely was an era of like singing about Texas and

604
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: if you're not from there, you're probably not gonna write

605
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: a song about Texas. But I stand corrected myself because

606
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: Jason Bowen and the Stragglers has one called somewhere down

607
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: in Texas.

608
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, my watch from Oklahoma, massive Turnpike fan. Now

609
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:30,719
Speaker 2: you called them Troubadour, so that may be the real

610
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: thing to call them, but she calls them Turnpike. Yeah,

611
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: and they're from a town that she lived right next to,

612
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: and so she brought them into my life because she

613
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: would listen to them NonStop, and from there obviously cross

614
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: Canadian ragweed. Oklahoma guys. Yep, you mentioned Evan Felker earlier,

615
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: and I was lucky enough they came and played a

616
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: charity show with me because and especially for my wife,

617
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: it was the coolest thing ever, because I think she

618
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: thought I was cool because they came and played a

619
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 2: show with me at the Ryman, So that was awesome.

620
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: And I asked the question about red Dirt in Texas Country,

621
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: because if you're from Oklahoma and you're making red dirt,

622
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: can you be considered a Texas artist?

623
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: See that's where I think it gets, like you're putting

624
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: the label on something that it's just like, yeah, I mean,

625
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: if you're from Oklahoma, we're probably gonna call you red dirt,

626
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: you know. And then there's Texas.

627
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, because anybody I know from Oklahoma hates Texas, but

628
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: they really love it, like they have to be like

629
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: I hate Texas if they really love it. Know the same.

630
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 2: It's like people from Oklahoma and Arkansas. Yeah, I call

631
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: my wife like a hillbilly and she's like, dude, we

632
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: grew up forty minutes from each other. Like there's really

633
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: no the trailers are the same, there's just a different

634
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: line in the middle of the two totally to move

635
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 2: to Nashville. What was behind that thought, Well.

636
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: I I was living during twenty twenty. We Kaitlyn was

637
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: living here. And now that's just so who your wife

638
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: is real? Your wife is Kaitlyn Buts Kitlin Butts Ye. Yes,

639
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: singer songwriter who I met through this whole thing, and

640
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: which is why I have faith in like doing what

641
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: you love will lead you to people that you love

642
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: and a lot of good things. And she was living

643
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: in Nashville and like twenty at the top of twenty

644
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: twenty and things are trying to shut down, and she

645
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: was like, hey, let's go stay at my mom's house

646
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: and Ard Moore for a week. So I was living

647
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: in Fort Worth. I meet her there. We ended up

648
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: staying there for a whole year. And that's a whole

649
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: other story. But at the end of this year, circumstances,

650
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, presented themselves where we had an opportunity to

651
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: be managed by Chris Cappy, who manages Luke Comb's, and

652
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: so it was like faced with the whole, like move

653
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: to Nashville.

654
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: Does that felt dirty a little bit?

655
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: I'll tell you honestly, I was a little fearful, which

656
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: fear doesn't do us any good. I've learned it just

657
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: gets in the way of stuff. But I was like,

658
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, Caitlin, like people are going to call

659
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: me a trader and this and that, and She's like,

660
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: listen to what you're saying. She's like, it'd be like

661
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: me opening up for Casey Musgraves and then her manager

662
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: going Wow, she was really good. I want to manage

663
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: you now, Like, look at what you could be passing

664
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: up on if you don't do this. So she really

665
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: with her blessing, we we leaped, you know, and the

666
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: net did appear. We moved here into East nash And

667
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one in February, so I went from living

668
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: with my mother in law too now I'm living in

669
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: and Nashville of all places, And that to me was

670
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: like the proverbial dream, Like I think of the scene

671
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: from the movie The Iron Giant. Have you heard of

672
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: that movie, So like, you know, at the very end,

673
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: the iron Giant sends up the little beacon again and

674
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: all the stuff goes back to go find it. And

675
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: I felt like the radio that I listened to on

676
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: the window so as a kid like called me to

677
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: this place, and now here I am, thirty years later,

678
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: getting to work with great creatives and managers and people

679
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: that help us, that have helped us take our music

680
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: to the whole country. So yeah, I was genuinely concerned

681
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: that people would think I was a trader or something.

682
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: But some people that I run into here lately, they're like, wait,

683
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: you've been in Nashville. They have no idea because we

684
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: live all over the place. We live on the road

685
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: half the time.

686
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: So when you go to Tech, how quickly do you

687
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: start to your people.

688
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: In the beginning? Yeah, pretty soon. Within the first week

689
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: we found our first bass player. I moved to Tech

690
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: to Lubvick. On a Saturday Sunday, Jason and I go

691
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: to an open mic night. No luck there. The very

692
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: next you know, Wednesday or something, we find ourselves at

693
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: an open mic and Broadway which is right across the street,

694
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: little bar called bar PM. Was the only kid that

695
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: showed up, and this guy named Ryan de la Garza

696
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: just let me keep playing until I ran out of

697
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,959
Speaker 1: songs to sing and saw a lot of promise. So

698
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: he was our first bass player, got us connected to

699
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: the college scene, and then started to add band members

700
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: as we came across them at parties or like our

701
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: guitar player Read, for example, his older brother was my

702
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: We were in a business fraternity together and we're eating

703
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: taco Tuesday at Roses Cafe. If you never had it,

704
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: God bless you. But he said, man, my little brother

705
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: play guitar. And I was like, man, everyone's little brother

706
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: plays guitar. And he said, well, he's pretty good. So

707
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: I took his advice and Read came over and we jammed,

708
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: and Read got added to the group. And so yeah,

709
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: it was always it was always within reach. That's something

710
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: I've learned too, is like whatever it is you're looking

711
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: for is probably within your wheelhouse or someone knows someone that,

712
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: but within By the time June twenty fourteen happened, we

713
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: had Johnny on bass, Read on guitar, Jason on the drums,

714
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: we had another violinist at the time, Laura, and so

715
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: we were at five piece we played our Oliver, these

716
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: songs I'd collected for the first two years of loving

717
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: and love it going to songwriter night.

718
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: In your mind, was the band a way to do

719
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: life or was it just something to do while you

720
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 2: were in school?

721
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: It felt no, I feel like going to school was

722
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: something to do while I was in Lubbock. I feel

723
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: like it was. It's like, once that expiration date approached,

724
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 1: I felt my first panic attack when I was about

725
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: to graduate and I was sitting at a coffee table.

726
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my God, Like, what am I going

727
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: to do? Do I have to get an accounting job?

728
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: Like?

729
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: And then I was like something told me pick up

730
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: the phone, call Scott Ferris and record a single, and

731
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: then it turned into the EP. Then that got picked

732
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: up on the local radio station. That turned into a

733
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: sold out show. Then that led to a booking agent

734
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: and a manager, and so it started to pick up speed.

735
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: Within the group. Was it We're going to try to

736
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 2: do this as long as the will stay on the

737
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: car pretty much? Yeah.

738
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: I think everyone was in starting a band in college

739
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: and all the fun that that entails was just it

740
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: was just fun. You know. Initially I had sites to

741
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: like take it and be like Randy, you know, get

742
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: a bus and travel around and do it and do

743
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: it well. But initially it was just playing frat parties

744
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: and cover songs and having fun doing it too. Not

745
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: that we don't anymore, it's just it definitely turned into

746
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: a lot more.

747
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: Was there a recommitment time within everybody in the band,

748
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 2: meaning everybody's done with school, so you have to like

749
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: are we going to do this? Like are you going

750
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: to do this? Because I'm going to do this. I

751
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: feel like that's the time when it's okay, school's over.

752
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 2: Are we committed? Was there ever a period of that?

753
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: There was never any like stern chats of like are

754
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: we going to do this? Guys? It was like no

755
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: one flew the coop or said man, I'm going to

756
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: go be a doctor or do something else. Like there

757
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: were challenging times when like I waited for two years

758
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 1: in Lubbock for the guys to graduate, and then people

759
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: start graduating. Our drummer moved to Florida and our bass

760
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: player moved to Fort Worth, and I was kind of

761
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: like I didn't know what we were going to do

762
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: or we're going to be located at it because once

763
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: again going to college in this garage was like our

764
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: hearth and now we passed. We turned the page. But

765
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: I was tempted with a lot of dismay. But we

766
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 1: had dates on the calendar. We had a bus call location.

767
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: So as long as he made it to bus call

768
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: and made it to the game, Like I don't doesn't

769
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: matter to me where you live, So you made it through.

770
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: Was there ever a weird time where you had to

771
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: start hiring for me? It was a business manager because

772
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 2: I never had money growing up, and I said, I'm

773
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: going to pay somebody to like do my money. That's crazy. Yeah,

774
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: but I had so many percentages I was having to

775
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 2: pay at this point. Yeah, So I was, you know,

776
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 2: I was to pay an agent, pay a manager, and

777
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: I was touring a lot and I was having to

778
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 2: pay for buses and pay you know, people that were

779
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: with me, like a road manager, and it was just

780
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: so overwhelming. But I was blown away that I had

781
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: to pay a business man. They were getting a percentage

782
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: of my money. Crazy to me. Now it's it's invaluable, right.

783
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 2: Did you have that experience? Well?

784
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember having eleven bucks in my bank account

785
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: with an accounting degree, building road cases trying to make

786
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 1: my quota of three hundred bucks a month to make rent.

787
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: So that was all I had to make and it

788
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: was still stressful and like, so all that to say,

789
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: I had no money before, and so the bank account

790
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: grew from eleven dollars to more anything after that, Like

791
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: all the help that business manager and manager brought to

792
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: the table was, like you said, invaluable. I don't even

793
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: think about it, like it's always been better than that

794
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 1: eleven bucks.

795
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: So man, I thought about it. It's five percent of

796
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: everything I made as a business manager. That's great. Correct.

797
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: That was crazy, Like I'm going to pay you to

798
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: I don't even want you in my money, and I'm

799
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: going to pay you to do stuff with it. It's

800
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 2: wild crazy. It was crazy that people even had access

801
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 2: to my money because I had no money. And then

802
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: when I had money, I was like I just want

803
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 2: to hold on to it, like I don't want anybody

804
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: to have. But then I what's something else that you learn?

805
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: And I had to learn the hard ways. When you

806
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: play shows in different states, you gotta pay different state taxes. Yeah,

807
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: like you end up getting if you have to do

808
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 2: taxes in California because you did shows in California. That's wild.

809
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: Can you try calculating all that stuff?

810
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: No, that's why I got a business manager. I und

811
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 2: up in jail like Wesley Snipes like that was the

812
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: whole Yeah, it was crazy.

813
00:38:49,360 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 4: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

814
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 4: Bobby Cast.

815
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 2: That was a weird thing for me in this business.

816
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 2: But I even, you know, getting a manager, and my

817
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: manager is fifteen percent, and that's pretty standard. But even

818
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: paying a manager fifteen percent of your money my money,

819
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 2: that was weird. But then I just I had to

820
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 2: live with it and understand that they're bringing in, let's say,

821
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 2: twenty seven percent. So for me to pay them fifteen percent,

822
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: I'm actually still making twelve percent of what I'd be

823
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: making anyway. Like I had to have those conversations with myself,

824
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: but it was really hard to do that. Sure an

825
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: agent ten percent, Oh my god, when it's all done,

826
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: I'm paying fifteen for a manager, ten for an agent,

827
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: five for a financial I'm thirty percent in.

828
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: We got we all got the same uncle too. Uncle

829
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: Sam takes it and Uncle Sam's taking forty.

830
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: Crazy. Yeah, So because but again, you have an accounting

831
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 2: background a bit, so I think you were probably you know,

832
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: you got to wait in you get to learn the

833
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: rules before they were actually affecting you. I know, any

834
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 2: of the rules. Like I was broke as a joke,

835
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: didn't know anything, and all of a sudden, the money

836
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: I'm making I'm paying out I had. It was an

837
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: existential crisis. I'll be honest with you. Yeah, I struggle

838
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 2: with paying people money that ironed.

839
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: It's I mean, it makes sense. One thing that brings

840
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: me comfort is knowing that when I am dead and gone.

841
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: I mean, sure my family will get whatever is was

842
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: allotted to me, but like I can't. I'm not going

843
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: to be clinging to those coins or whatever it is.

844
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: Now it's all ones and zeros, you know what I'm saying. Like, so,

845
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I focus on the work. Is it

846
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: bringing me joy? And do I enjoy doing it? Do

847
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: I enjoy the people I'm working with? And is it

848
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: helping provide provision for many? To me, that gives me

849
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: like a sense of duty purposefulness. But yeah, definitely you

850
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: don't want to pay overpay for something that's not, you know,

851
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: having any value. So there is makes sense.

852
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: That's crazy to me. Sometimes I still can't believe it.

853
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: But I've been doing it long enough, and I do

854
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 2: see the value in those jobs. Yeah, but I'd alwas

855
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 2: se Pole on award shows and they would think like

856
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: their lawyer or they'd think their agent. I'd be like,

857
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 2: you're not a person of the people. Why are you Now?

858
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: I'm like talking to my lawyer and the agent like

859
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 2: thank you everybody, Like I get it now. In the

860
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: creative space, you have to have people that are looking

861
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: out for you. Because I didn't know how to do everything.

862
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: So I'm trusting people to do things for me and

863
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: look out for me in ways. Yeah, because I have

864
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 2: no idea sure, Like I took media lawng in college,

865
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 2: but like I can do like elementary contract work.

866
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

867
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: Did you ever do the rooms where nobody was there?

868
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: Like playing it for a room? Oh yeah, yeah, our

869
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: first that show I described to you June fourth, twenty fourteen.

870
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: I built it up in my mind as this like

871
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: packed house, gonna go see Flatling Cavalry. The people that

872
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: showed up are the same ones that showed up for

873
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,240
Speaker 1: you from the beginning of your family. Mine driving from Midlands,

874
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: I'm driving from Dallas, and I think we made sixty

875
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: three bucks at the door and it was so slin.

876
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: It was so thin and empty in there, and I

877
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: was a little discouraged, but it was all learning curve

878
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: because I remember, you know, fast forward a year. We

879
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: had a song on the radio and local station and

880
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 1: that brought in Like we played our CD release party

881
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: at the Blue Light. It was sold out, packed house,

882
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: and my mom and dad that were in the audience,

883
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: I remember making eye contact with them. Kids are screaming

884
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: the words and they're looking around like totally enamored and

885
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: just shocked, and like that was.

886
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: It looked up.

887
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: But yes, we played the empty rooms and stuff too,

888
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: And I wrote with the someone I look up to

889
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: a bunch Will Hoague, him and I writing a song

890
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: one time, and he said, man, I used to show

891
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: up to rooms where like if there weren't enough people there,

892
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: I would be in a bad attitude and kind of

893
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: be crummy to who was there. And he's like that's

894
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: not right, you know, Like I had to have a

895
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: chat with myself of like that's not cool. So like

896
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: people that are there, give them the best show that

897
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: you can, and then it'll turn into if everyone in

898
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: there tells someone and they bring someone that's twice as

899
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: many people.

900
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: Were there periods where maybe the band wasn't moving in

901
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: a direction you wanted to positively, and you thought about,

902
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is.

903
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: It definitely like you know, we were kids in college

904
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: that were experimenting with the bottle and you know, the

905
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: sauce and everything, and kind of we can get sloppy

906
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: at times. And I remember sometimes you'd have some sloppy shows.

907
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: And granted maybe I was being dramatic or whatever, but

908
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: at the time, but our guitar player read reminded me

909
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: he goes man. One time you said something that was

910
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: He's like one night you had your head against the

911
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: window against the glass, and you just look so like

912
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: depressed and dismayed, and you were like, you said, guys,

913
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: if we're going to play that bad, like we just

914
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: need to stay at home. We don't need to be

915
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: doing this like you're in It was, but it was

916
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: kind of to them, it's like, okay, well let's get

917
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: our crap together. So I think you got to go

918
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: through those moments to figure out if you that's what

919
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: you really want to do.

920
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 2: Are you the leader?

921
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: I try to lead by example, and I made some

922
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: I made the calls in the beginning I wrangled the

923
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: cavalrymen so to that degree. But yeah, I don't ever

924
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: call myself the leader or anything.

925
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: Do you manage the group dynamic if it's not positive? Always?

926
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: I try to initially now just growing to understand people's

927
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: if someone's having an off day. It's not my job

928
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: to fix anyone's attitude or anything of that nature. I

929
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: know in business, you gotta show up with a good attitude,

930
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: like you said, and good expectancy. And on a personal note,

931
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: I can have personal conversations and see what's going on

932
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 1: in someone's world. But yeah, I just try to lead

933
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: by example and show up. And some days, dude, I'm

934
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: I'm like so tired from the road and don't sleep

935
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: great on the bus that I don't have a lot

936
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: to give to people, saving it for the stage really,

937
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: And so if I don't have anything to say, I

938
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: won't or to like chime in on the front lounge

939
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: chats and stuff if I don't have the spirit to

940
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: it in a moment. But I try not to be

941
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 1: a bad vibe. I guess the best I can.

942
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make an assumption here that you're a pretty

943
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 2: introverted guy when you're not performing.

944
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: I do appreciate solitude.

945
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great answer to that. Where does the

946
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 2: extra version come from?

947
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: Well, I grew up in a family. As I was

948
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: telling you, I was a little brother and I was

949
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: raised Catholic. So there was a portion of my life

950
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: where my parents would turn off the TVs for the

951
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: lent season, which is how I learned how to play guitar,

952
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: and we would play charades and entertain each other and

953
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: make each other laugh. There was something about performing and

954
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: being big and just being silly. Really. It wasn't to

955
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: like look at me, So I think it comes from

956
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: that I used to when I started to play for people,

957
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: Like when I was eighteen, I would literally just have

958
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: to tell I would get so terrified with stage fright.

959
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: So it's not like a need to like, hey, look

960
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: at me, look at me. It was more like you

961
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: wanted to connect with people and maybe a song finds

962
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: them well, but I couldn't think about it so much

963
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: so that I would just like pretend that I wasn't

964
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: going to play a show. Just literally disassociated with having

965
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: to think about playing was like nerve wracking. And to

966
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 1: this day, I'm like, I'm confident and so I'm not nervous,

967
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: but I drink and substances and all those things never

968
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: made me a better performer. So I'm thankfully every learned

969
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: that the hard way and not to learn it again.

970
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 2: What's the most nervous you've been for a show or anxious?

971
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: When we used to play in Nashville back in the day,

972
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: like being a band from Texas, like it's such a

973
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: town of incredible guitar players, songwriter singers, performers bands that

974
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: I would get self conscious, like they would just be like,

975
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: it's the people in the back of the room, which's like,

976
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So Nashville was a little

977
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: nervous playing here first time. One that just jumped right

978
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: out to me is when we opened up for Luke

979
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: Combs in December of nineteen. I remember almost because it

980
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: was in a stadium or not stadiums where the Spurs play.

981
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: Forgive me I can Rina and San Antonio correct. Yeah, yeah,

982
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: sixteen thousand people sold out. We had a forty minute

983
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: time slot, and I remember like having another like existential,

984
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: like terrifying conversation with myself. I was taking a shower

985
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: and I was like, because I had to get away.

986
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: It's the only place you can get away from people

987
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: as the bathroom. And I remember like thinking, like, Okay, God,

988
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: if I was supposed to be selling bibles and you know,

989
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: Africa or someplace like, I would be there. But I'm here,

990
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: so I guess I'm supposed to be here, you know,

991
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: So like just sing through me, speak through me, play

992
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: through me. Let me just enjoy this moment that it

993
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: is about to happen. And I went out there and

994
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: just try to go about it lovingly and it led

995
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: to a lot of good things, but I definitely was

996
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: terrified to be real. Another one that comes to mind

997
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: is the O two Arena with Luke comes again. All

998
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 1: of the production elements were left in Dublin the night

999
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: before because apparently it was Saint Patti's weekend and no

1000
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: one was there at customs when they showed up. So

1001
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: that's kind of wild. That's a whole another story. You

1002
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: can fact check that. But they had to pull a

1003
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: rabbit out of a hat and drums. They had to

1004
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: make the whole show happen with nothing in London. What's

1005
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: that You're in London, London at the O two arena

1006
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: maybe twenty two and flat Land. You know, we're where

1007
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 1: the low guys in the total pole, we don't get

1008
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: a sound check or nothing. I'm about to go walk

1009
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: down the O two arena, no sound check, no line check,

1010
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: playing on wedges, and I remember just literally like please, God,

1011
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: don't let me embarrass myself, like let this, let this

1012
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 1: go as good as it can go, and you can't.

1013
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: There's no time to be scared when you're doing it.

1014
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: But to play in a cave, a giant cave, when

1015
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: there's no way to really hear each other was truly

1016
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: made some cowboys of us, for sure.

1017
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 2: I used to really get upset when technically something would

1018
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 2: mess up, and if we were doing like comedy music,

1019
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 2: if I wouldn't have yours or i'd freak out because

1020
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 2: I would think it was going really it was a

1021
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 2: really poor show because something wasn't working. But then I

1022
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 2: got through it a few times. Or if I was

1023
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: doing stand up and I was I didn't feel like

1024
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 2: I was killing I would get through it and I

1025
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: would go, Man, if something bad happens, you still get

1026
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: through it just fine. And sometimes most time the audience

1027
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: doesn't even know. And so I think I can handle

1028
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 2: adversity technically or within myself because I've done it poorly

1029
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 2: in my mind so many times and gotten through it.

1030
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 2: Yeah that when it happens now, I've been through it.

1031
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 2: I've done the worst and got through it just fine.

1032
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 2: Do you ever feel that way with all the shows

1033
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 2: that you've done, things have gone completely wrong, and you

1034
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 2: know what, it worked out just fine. So when it

1035
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 2: goes wrong now, you're like, oh, I've done this before,

1036
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: it's gonna be fine.

1037
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: One hundred and ten percent. Yes. Yeah. In going through

1038
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: it and walking through those fires, you're like, oh, I survived,

1039
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: you know, And when you're going through it again, you're like, oh,

1040
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: this is just a moment of endurance. I've played shows

1041
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: where you can't hear anything going on in those in

1042
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 1: your monitors, and you don't throw a tantrum on stage.

1043
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: You just you're in embarra it and get through it.

1044
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, like you said, anyone that's in the audience

1045
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: will be like, it's like people that are watching football

1046
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: on the couch going, oh man, the quarterback sucks, and

1047
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: they you know, eating cheetos or whatever. It's like you

1048
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 1: can't most people can't do that anyways. And here, so

1049
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: uh yeah, just get through it, really, yeah, just keep

1050
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: going keep going.

1051
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 2: That's what I would tell people. Just keep going, regardless

1052
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: of what you're performing. Just keep going because most people

1053
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 2: don't even know what's happening. They don't know that something's wrong.

1054
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 2: And if you keep going, they're going to keep going

1055
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 2: with you.

1056
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 1: Right.

1057
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 2: It's kind of like life. I mean, that's a bit

1058
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 2: of a metaphor for life, Like just keep going, yes,

1059
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,720
Speaker 2: and if you don't stop, like you can still achieve.

1060
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, you ever have a show where you think, man,

1061
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: that show sucked, but then people come up to you're like, dude,

1062
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 2: that was awesome.

1063
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 4: Yes.

1064
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: And I used to pine for folks of affirmation after

1065
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: a show like did it go well? Like, because sometimes

1066
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: you don't know you know, you're trying your best. But

1067
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: here lately, like we played some markets, I'll leave them

1068
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: nameless and not here to make enemies or anything. But

1069
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: you're giving it everything and simply they just don't know

1070
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: who you are, and maybe they don't care to, or

1071
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: they don't they don't believe in what you're doing, and

1072
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: so you'll give it your best. Then after the show,

1073
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: I'll be thinking, man, I wonder if we had played

1074
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: that one cover during you know, the part of the

1075
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 1: show like we'd played this cover relative to this region

1076
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: where they might have Our producer goes Bro. That's real

1077
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: noble and admirable of you. But sometimes you know, they're

1078
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: just audiences just don't like you, and that's okay, and

1079
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I know, but it's our job to

1080
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: entertain and to love the audience, and so I want

1081
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: to get my best foot forward or tried as much

1082
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: as you may too, not for them to like you,

1083
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: but to do the job that you were hired to do.

1084
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 2: Here's Minneapolis, wasn't it? No, it wasn't. We've got good

1085
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 2: luck in not in case, I don't want to say

1086
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 2: I like the album artwork on this record, thank you. Yeah.

1087
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 2: I like the heart and the call, and obviously it

1088
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 2: makes sense it's work of heart is the album. But

1089
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 2: I like the album or work.

1090
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: It's cool.

1091
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 2: Who designed that?

1092
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,240
Speaker 1: Scott and Rachel Ferris who did all the album artwork

1093
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 1: for a whole discography?

1094
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 2: Did they give you multiple and you picked or how

1095
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 2: did that come together?

1096
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: That album art went through like twelve rounds and you know,

1097
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: different adaptation at one point. It's probably gonna make Caitlin

1098
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: pull her hair out bringing this up. But like I

1099
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: even like was like, what if there's like robot hands

1100
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: holding the heart and it's like an allegory between the

1101
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: digital world, and so we tried that it looks terrible

1102
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: and stupid and so but yeah, they they had his

1103
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 1: moms hold the hands. Eventually I realized that I wanted

1104
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: to get my hands on it, so I flew to

1105
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: Lubbock and got my hands on it myself and wanted

1106
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: it to look particular and but yeah, they designed all

1107
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: those fabrics by hand. It's cool.

1108
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really great. And it's so hard to like

1109
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 2: get to appreciate album right now because we're not getting

1110
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: anything hard anymore. So it's not guaranteed to'll ever see it. Yeah,

1111
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 2: you know, I've you're just listening back in the day.

1112
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: You have a CD. Right now, Vinyl is more than

1113
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 2: it probably was ever in my life. I think now

1114
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: vinyl's more popular than it was ever m because before me,

1115
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 2: vinyl was actually popular. But yeah, I'm not drawn to

1116
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 2: a lot of album artwork I was to you guys.

1117
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: That's I'm thankful that you see it that way. Now

1118
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: that we work it with you know, label and a

1119
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: lot of people and everyone's sharing their opinions you know,

1120
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: not everyone was in favor of it. I don't say that,

1121
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, detriment of my team. Just yeah, just just

1122
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: learning to trust your gut and your hunch, you know.

1123
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: And I had the songwriter whom I wrote Work of

1124
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: Heart with texted me the day that it came out

1125
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: and she said she had a vision that like like

1126
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: God gave her a dream, and she was like, this

1127
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: is totally it's amazing, supernatural if you will, we're talking

1128
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: about quantum stuff, you know. It's like she had a

1129
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: dream that there was this heart made of stone and

1130
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,439
Speaker 1: God was pulling these pins out of it that were

1131
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: representing pain and suffering and stuff, and then the heart

1132
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: softened into this like fabric fabric quilt work Hart and

1133
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: she goes, when I saw your album artwork, it was

1134
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: the same heart that I saw in my dream. So

1135
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: totally wild. So I'm glad that I stuck with that

1136
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: because it was like we could have just balked and

1137
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 1: done something different. But yeah, that's one thing that word

1138
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,919
Speaker 1: jumped out to me. Is different. It's like if someone

1139
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: else gets their hands on something and does it, they

1140
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 1: why not do it just like you doesn't mean it's bad.

1141
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: It's just different, And so I'm okay with different because

1142
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: I've written a lot of good songs with people that

1143
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: oh I wanted to say it just this way, you know,

1144
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 1: And it's like, if that's the case, then make it yourself.

1145
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: But if you're hiring other artists to work alongside, then

1146
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: I've learned to be okay with different.

1147
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 2: My favorite song is on and on on this record,

1148
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 2: thank You. Usually I'm not drawn to tempo ish type songs.

1149
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 2: I like really slow sad songs like I want to

1150
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 2: be cut. Yeah, when I listen to music, I want

1151
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 2: to hurt. Okay, that's all that makes me feel is

1152
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 2: music on and on. Not really that oddly, it's it's

1153
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 2: definitely that's my favor I just want to say that

1154
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 2: because I've been listen to for a while. That's my

1155
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: favorite song.

1156
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: Well, thank you. That one was A wrote that one,

1157
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: and I thought it was like a piece of bubblegum

1158
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: to feel simple, chew it a little bit of flavor.

1159
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: When everyone added their magic to it, it really added

1160
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: that hop and skip like feel good vibe.

1161
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm not a feel good guy like hurt me.

1162
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 3: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our

1163
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 3: sponsor and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

1164
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 2: We have artists come in and they bring music that

1165
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 2: has meant a lot to them. Yes, it can be

1166
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: the perfect album. It could be the album that meant

1167
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 2: the most of them, and we end up donating this

1168
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: worthwhile music. What did you bring here? I don't know

1169
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 2: what it is because you got it wrapped up, So

1170
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 2: if you don't mind grabbing it and wrapping it, yeah,

1171
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: unwrap it, okay and tell me the story behind it.

1172
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 2: Hold it up.

1173
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: Story behind this album is I stumbled into it, our

1174
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: old merch guy. He was really a music connoisseur by

1175
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:57,439
Speaker 1: the alias side.

1176
00:55:58,600 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I thought it was.

1177
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: He told us about willing Man. Okay, you've heard on

1178
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: the road again, but have you heard his jazz stuff?

1179
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: And like, I love the album artwork unless I'm yeah,

1180
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: guy Clark's wife Susanna actually painted this apparently pretty amazing.

1181
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 2: That will and also that starred Us album. For those

1182
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 2: that are just listening and aren't watching, that album was

1183
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 2: met very oddly. People did not love it because it

1184
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 2: wasn't what he was known for doing.

1185
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah it if you were used to like drinking

1186
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: some lone stars and turning up at the Bar. I mean,

1187
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: this is not that album, but my goodness, Stardust George

1188
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 1: on My Mind Blue Skies.

1189
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 2: Now it's one of the most beloved Willly albums of

1190
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 2: all time.

1191
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: It's fantastic. I mean, dude, you can clean that, put

1192
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: the sucker on, clean the house, or go for a cruise.

1193
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: I would go out to far West Texas where my

1194
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: folks are from that way, So like when I'm driving

1195
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: through Alpine Marfa, like, this is like syncs up to

1196
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: my life man, so good.

1197
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 2: But you still listen to Stardus I still do.

1198
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, cool, I go back to it. It's fantastic.

1199
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,879
Speaker 2: I feel like that record. There's a couple that stick

1200
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 2: out of my mind, records that were underappreciated at the

1201
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: time that then got there just due years later. I'm

1202
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 2: not sure if you're a Weezer fan, yeah, but Pinkerton

1203
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 2: is that album where everybod's like, what the crap is?

1204
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 2: This sucks? And now people like Pickerton rocks Man.

1205
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: Which songs are on there. I'm not familiar with that

1206
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: record per se, but I.

1207
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 2: Like this, Oh Score Show is on Pinkerton, Mike and

1208
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 2: it was it was just done different. It wasn't like

1209
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 2: the Blue and have the Blue record. All the guys

1210
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 2: signed it for me. I'm a massive Weezer fan. That's

1211
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: why were my glove buddy Holly and Rivers squamore or

1212
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 2: why I wear these glasses Because there was two nerdy

1213
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 2: dudes who I thought were awesome, and I was a

1214
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 2: nerdy dude and I wanted to be awesome and I

1215
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 2: couldn't see. So I want to look like other nerdy

1216
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 2: dudes that can't see and so. But that album not

1217
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 2: loved at the time, but now people love it. And

1218
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 2: I'm not comparing Weezer it at Willie, although I should.

1219
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 2: They're both amazing two of my favorites. I keep all

1220
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 2: the vinyl that is important to me, and I have

1221
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 2: a couple of Willy albums out there. Glad you picked that.

1222
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 2: Nobody's picked that yet.

1223
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: So you don't have this in the collection.

1224
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 2: I do not have it in the collection. No, So

1225
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 2: I'm very appreciative of that. Yeah, and you have listened

1226
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 2: to it, Oh take ten thousand times cool. Yeah. My

1227
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 2: grandma was a massive Willie Nelson fan, and so I

1228
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 2: know Willie from not being an adult and chasing it

1229
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 2: because it's cool or historic or it means a lot

1230
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 2: to country music. But because my grandma played it all

1231
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 2: the time, and so Willie and like Ray Charles, Johnny

1232
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 2: Cashell from Arkansas, so they're only like four people from marketsall,

1233
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 2: but we loved all four of them. They made music,

1234
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 2: and then it was a lot of like gospel stuff.

1235
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 2: So that's what I grew up listening to. OK, because

1236
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,439
Speaker 2: my grandma raised me. Yeah, I thought that was current

1237
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 2: contemporary country music for the youngest part of my life.

1238
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, those are great influences, are great musical bedrock

1239
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: to start from.

1240
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 2: Like Ray Charles, Modern sounds of country music ten thousand times. Wow,

1241
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 2: what a great right.

1242
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: I got a woman on that one.

1243
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: I don't think i'd need to look. I have a

1244
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 2: bunch of Rach Charles at the house.

1245
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: I don't.

1246
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 2: I don't mi. We see if I got a woman's

1247
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 2: on that, I would bet No, let's see if I'd

1248
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 2: lose the money.

1249
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: Also, in the meantime, if I don't, I'm blind to

1250
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: without correct division. So really you're two blind nerds.

1251
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 2: Thank god. I didn't want to miss that. So I

1252
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 2: was nervous and I was good. I still have my cred.

1253
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 2: The one ounce that I have Cluse, I've really enjoyed

1254
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 2: this man. Likewise, yeah, every time we've done a good

1255
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 2: chunk here, I'm a fan of you guys' music.

1256
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

1257
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 2: I always appreciate artists from Texas who moved to Nashville

1258
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 2: and don't hate Nashville because I lived in Texas for

1259
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 2: a long time and everybody had to say they hated

1260
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 2: Nashville because that was part of what you had to

1261
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 2: say when you're a Texas country artist. Yeah, but like

1262
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 2: I'm close with Parker and he moved back to Texas.

1263
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: But even, like you know, Josh Abbott, I used to

1264
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 2: have all those guys on my show in Austin when

1265
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 2: I was doing like pop radio cool and so I

1266
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 2: became a fan of all that music. Like when Pat

1267
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 2: Green did Wave on Wave, like I loved it. I

1268
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 2: still love that song. Yeah, that was weird to me

1269
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 2: that people were mad at Pat Green for doing Wave

1270
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 2: on Wave because it was a Nashville type song. I

1271
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 2: was like, dude, this is a great song. Sure, I

1272
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 2: think today if he did it wouldn't be the same.

1273
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 2: I think people would would just embrace it. Oh yeah yeah, yeah,

1274
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 2: like it would still be a massive hit. But it

1275
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 2: just wouldn't have any of the flak or no division

1276
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 2: with it. I think it would still be a massive song.

1277
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 2: But I think he was one of the first of

1278
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 2: like my consuming days to be an artist from Texas. Yeah,

1279
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 2: who went up to Nashville to cut a song and

1280
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 2: it just wasn't I think. But I think he walked

1281
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:40,439
Speaker 2: so others could run.

1282
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: For sure. Randy told me something. He said, the roads

1283
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: that we drive down were paved by guys like Pat

1284
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: and Jerry Jeff Walker. And he's like, like I said,

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Speaker 1: we shouldn't so, Like I mentioned earlier about holding reverence

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Speaker 1: for those that came before, Pats called me out of

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Speaker 1: the blue before and before we played the Dicki's Arena

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Speaker 1: and our band played it and sold it out, and

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Speaker 1: he called and was, hey, man, and one, just congratulations

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Speaker 1: and that's huge, Like you don't, like, I hope that

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Speaker 1: you're taking the time to soak this in because it's

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Speaker 1: so rare, and also can I get a few tickets

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Speaker 1: from my daughter?

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Speaker 2: That's awesome? But yeah, congratulations on you guys success, but

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Speaker 2: mostly congratulations on doing something that's fulfilling you and it

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Speaker 2: just so happens to be done at a high level.

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Speaker 1: Now, thank you much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's it. You're doing it. You would

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Speaker 2: have been doing it anyway, regardless of where you were

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Speaker 2: sitting on the total pole, and you'll go up and

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Speaker 2: down the total pole through the years. But that you're

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Speaker 2: doing something that fulfills you, like, that's real success.

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Speaker 1: I do you feel successful in those regards and wake

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Speaker 1: up and I get to do what I love to do,

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Speaker 1: have chats with cool people, meet people from all different kinds,

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't No day is the same, so it's exciting,

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Speaker 1: and I look forward to the next one and seeing

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Speaker 1: what the next song is going to be too, you know,

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Speaker 1: seeing what's going to come through you. What time you

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Speaker 1: wake up in the morning here lately about eight am,

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Speaker 1: which is early for me too early. Yeah, you're a

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Speaker 1: rock star now eleven, let's do better.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, that's huguely, that's more like you on the

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Speaker 2: road eleven. Yeah, yeah, roads tough.

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Speaker 1: Have you slept on the tour bus before?

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Speaker 2: Many times? Night one? Difficult, Night two, a little better,

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Speaker 2: Night three? I'm good, But then I'm off the bus

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Speaker 2: right after that and I go through the same cycle again.

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Speaker 1: It's wild.

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Speaker 2: Night one. I'm like this and when he goes over

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Speaker 2: the Oh god, as soon as he hit those sides

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Speaker 2: of it, I'm up. Yeah, I'm also a bit of

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01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 2: a Beyonce like Starbunk. I got the Starbunk that with

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Speaker 2: the bed in the back of the eye.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good for you.

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01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and everybody else has a little bond. I'm back there,

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Speaker 2: sprawed up. Yeah. Yeah, a tour bus sleeping is a

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Speaker 2: little bit annoying early, but then I get used to it.

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Speaker 2: And then when I get used to it, it's time

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Speaker 2: to come home. You don't do very well.

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Speaker 1: It's a challenge. Yeah, I got this ordering to try

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Speaker 1: to help with that same Yeah, to be like, keep

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Speaker 1: me accountable because I want to be a superman. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'll good. I'm good at three four hours these days.

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Speaker 1: I'm like I took a nap. For example, it said

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Speaker 1: I got four hours of sleep the other night before

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Speaker 1: our first show, and I took a nap. I found

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Speaker 1: a moment It was I literally had an hour and like, dude,

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Speaker 1: I was conked out, knocked out for like twenty six minutes.

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Speaker 1: But whenever you come to you're like, oh, dang, I

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Speaker 1: feel a lot better, Like your body needs sleep. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna quit pretending it doesn't. I'm not Tesla or Edison

1343
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: or whoever it is, and I just yeah, So I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to prioritize my sleep and rest so that I

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Speaker 1: can put on a good show and be energetic and

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Speaker 1: give the crowd your best. So yeah, I'm glad that

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Speaker 1: I figured It took me twelve years to figure that out, though.

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Speaker 2: I think we I was just about to go into

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Speaker 2: some Tesla stuff, but you need to go worl over

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Speaker 2: an hour in, I was gonna talk about time machines,

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Speaker 2: but we'll move. Thank you for coming in. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: gratulations on the record, Thank you, and uh yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: looking forward to see what you guys continue to do

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Speaker 2: there he is.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Kleto, Thank you, Bobby, Thanks for listening to a

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Speaker 3: Bobby Cast production.

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