Speaker 1: Welcome to Noble Blood, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm
Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Manky listener discretion advised. Just before
Speaker 1: midnight on May sixteenth, sixteen oh six, a courtier and
Speaker 1: several of his accomplices nervously waded in the palace shadows,
Speaker 1: with traders potentially lurking in every corner of the Kremlin.
Speaker 1: Speed and stealth were vital, but also nearly impossible considering
Speaker 1: the group's mission sneaking twenty five horses out of the
Speaker 1: Tsar's private stable. This was no theft, however, no devious
Speaker 1: horse heist. The courtier Mikhail Milkanov had been tasked with
Speaker 1: securing this royal herd by their owner himself, Tsar Dmitri.
Speaker 1: Milkanov was one of the Emperor's closest associates and had
Speaker 1: helped hatch this escape plan after Dimiti learned of a
Speaker 1: post wedding assassination plot against him that was set to
Speaker 1: kick off in mere hours. Milkanov had tasked and experienced
Speaker 1: stable hand with gathering the horses, But was that man trustworthy?
Speaker 1: Could this risky getaway possibly work? The tense moments ticked past,
Speaker 1: until at last the stable hand delivered the horses as
Speaker 1: covertly as he could. Milkanov and his men met up
Speaker 1: with a disguised Tsar Dmitri and successfully helped him flee
Speaker 1: Moscow under cover of darkness, so that he could then
Speaker 1: travel incognito and daringly test the true loyalty of his
Speaker 1: subjects and purportedly devoted lords. Or so goes this alternate
Speaker 1: version of events. After Vasili Shwisky initiated his murderous plan
Speaker 1: and grotesquely paraded Czar Dmitri's supposed by through the streets,
Speaker 1: Milkanov began to spread his dramatic tale. Within days, the Tsar,
Speaker 1: he said actually escaped, and a few details did add
Speaker 1: a sniff of plausibility. For example, twenty five horses did
Speaker 1: go missing from Zar Dmitri's stables. Milkanov also had Dmitri's
Speaker 1: favorite Turkish horse and state seal to back up his claim,
Speaker 1: and vasily reportedly had that skillful stable hand tortured, hoping
Speaker 1: to make him reveal that he had not actually helped
Speaker 1: Dmitri survive, But that poor stable hand, apparently deeply loyal
Speaker 1: to Dmitri after all, died without admitting a thing. Milkanov
Speaker 1: gradually headed for Poland Lithuania, and has been credited by
Speaker 1: some historians as having done more to keep the legend
Speaker 1: of Zar Dmitri alive than any other individual. Vulkanov achieved
Speaker 1: this by not only spinning his yarn that the Czar
Speaker 1: and his horses had artfully escaped their enemies, but by
Speaker 1: also pretending to be Dmitri himself. Milkanov did not bear
Speaker 1: much resemblance to Dmitri, but he knew him so well
Speaker 1: that he could defintely imitate him while traveling among less
Speaker 1: familiar townsfolk. In spite of these efforts, Milkanov is typically
Speaker 1: not even included by scholars as one of the main
Speaker 1: quote false Dmitris because although he elicited considerable Dmitri loyalty
Speaker 1: in certain localities, Milkanov was already too well known in
Speaker 1: Moscow and other power circles to continue to play the role.
Speaker 1: Since the original Czar Dmitri was seemingly never seen or
Speaker 1: heard from again, Milkanov essentially served as a stand in
Speaker 1: who stoke the fires of rebellion until eventually you guessed it.
Speaker 1: The time came to debut a new Dmitri. I'm Danish
Speaker 1: forts and this is noble blood, how was yet another
Speaker 1: man and eventually more after that, able to somewhat successfully
Speaker 1: assume the same Dmitri identity. Much like franchise movie sequels
Speaker 1: or knockoff rollis'es. The market for them was clearly there,
Speaker 1: and to fully understand how Russia's impersonator supply kept up
Speaker 1: with the Dmitri demand, we must first look at the
Speaker 1: unstable situation in Moscow. Following the death of the man
Speaker 1: who had seized power under the name Zar Dmitri, Vasily
Speaker 1: quickly finagled his way into becoming the new Czar. Vasily's
Speaker 1: transition to the throne was rocky, though many accounts have
Speaker 1: pegged Vasily as a cunning strategist, particularly accounts he commissioned
Speaker 1: and or those that conveniently ignore his less cunning plans
Speaker 1: that backfired in farcical ways, But compared to his predecessor,
Speaker 1: Vasily was less respected in the capitol, where many nobles
Speaker 1: reportedly saw him as a detestable trader, and he was
Speaker 1: far less well liked than Dmitri. Within the larger realm,
Speaker 1: Vasily has been unfavorably depicted as a stocky, balding, and
Speaker 1: exceedingly near sighted man who apparently looked fairly ridiculous, yet
Speaker 1: still intimidated his opponents through tireless scheming and betraying. This
Speaker 1: is by no means to say that a ruler's overall
Speaker 1: effectiveness hinges on their looks or benevolence or reluctant to fearmonger.
Speaker 1: There are plenty of historical cases that prove otherwise. But
Speaker 1: unfortunately for Vasily when it came to winning broad support,
Speaker 1: he also did not have many other common image enhancing
Speaker 1: factors to help his case among either the noble classes
Speaker 1: or the wider population. Vasily was of a.
Speaker 2: Royal background, but even putting aside the whole committing regicide issue,
Speaker 2: any assertion of him being a proper heir was murky
Speaker 2: at best. Vasily also did not naturally come off as
Speaker 2: a battle tested hero or military mastermind, and unlike Czar
Speaker 2: Dmitri with his Jesus esque resurrection, Vasily lacked a compelling
Speaker 2: origin story that was anywhere near as interesting or easy
Speaker 2: to sell to the masses. Throughout his time in power,
Speaker 2: Vasily tried to boost his own legitimacy and combat wild
Speaker 2: rooms us about his popular predecessor in numerous ways, ways
Speaker 2: which often involved spreading wild rumors about his popular predecessor.
Speaker 2: He eagerly picked up where czar Boris had left off
Speaker 2: by launching a dramatic propaganda campaign to discredit Dmitri. Remember
Speaker 2: grigory Otrepev, the defract Monk, the supposed alter ego of
Speaker 2: the supposed Tzar. Vasily incessantly endorsed the idea that the
Speaker 2: pretender Dmitri had undoubtedly been that dabbler in the dark
Speaker 2: arts all along, and went to great lengths with his
Speaker 2: related scare tactics. For example, Vasily allegedly staged a ghoulish
Speaker 2: incident where Dmitri's corpse suddenly appeared at a churchyard far
Speaker 2: from where it had been buried the weak prior, so
Speaker 2: that spooky stories would spread. Then, claiming that the earth
Speaker 2: was clearly refusing to accept the body of an evil sorcerer,
Speaker 2: Vasily had Dmitri's remains burned in one of the forts
Speaker 2: Dmitri had commissioned, and, according to an apocryphal sounding legend,
Speaker 2: ordered his ashes to be fired from a cannon aimed
Speaker 2: in the direction from which the so called Sarvich and
Speaker 2: his army had marched into Moscow. Along the way, Vasily
Speaker 2: continued to promote correlated notions that the heretic Dmitri was
Speaker 2: a tool of the devil, had impregnated thirty nuns, was
Speaker 2: maybe even the actual Antichrist, and so on. Sure, this
Speaker 2: strategy hadn't worked the first time around, but doubling down
Speaker 2: on thoroughly demonizing the formers are which surely release people
Speaker 2: from their sacred obligation to support him as a monarch.
Speaker 2: Right far from it, Vasily's macab displays and scary accusations
Speaker 2: seemingly just confused or alienated sizable portions of Russian society.
Speaker 2: Many citizens were stout in their Russian Orthodox beliefs, and
Speaker 2: some presumably bought Vasili's stories, but many others were just
Speaker 2: fatigued by Vasili's rumor mill and skeptical of his desperate
Speaker 2: copying of Boris's talking points. Again, it's worth noting that
Speaker 2: the whole painting your political adversary as a demon gambit
Speaker 2: had been so frequently deployed by that point that an
Speaker 2: average Russian on the street might have been hard pressed
Speaker 2: to name a former ruler who hadn't maybe had a
Speaker 2: chat or two with Satan. But a more important factor
Speaker 2: is that Dmitri had made many promises to towns, soldiers,
Speaker 2: and exiled families in order to gain their support during
Speaker 2: his Civil war crusade back before he died, and he
Speaker 2: had started to deliver on those debts once he became Czar. Vassal,
Speaker 2: on the other hand, had not specifically promised these groups
Speaker 2: nearly as many legal or financial rewards. So when Mikhail
Speaker 2: Milkanov aka stand in Dmitri and his associates traveled throughout
Speaker 2: the countryside building up the myth of Dmitri's miraculous escape,
Speaker 2: many of Dmitri's ambitious supporters quickly backed the cause once
Speaker 2: again and revived their civil war fighting. As this rebellion
Speaker 2: neared critical mass in early sixteen o seven, an individual
Speaker 2: emerged in dramatic fashion, claiming yet again to be the
Speaker 2: true Czar Dmitri. Russia had not even had to wait
Speaker 2: a full year to get there. Exciting, if somewhat slap
Speaker 2: dash sequel. The origins of the man who would later
Speaker 2: be referred to by many as False Dmitri, the second
Speaker 2: or second False Dmitrie, are similarly foggy to those of
Speaker 2: Czar Dmitri, who we will now refer to as False
Speaker 2: Dmitrie number one, not because we're fully upholding the arguments
Speaker 2: of various detractors, but for the sake of historians, naming
Speaker 2: conventions and basic clarity, just to keep all of the
Speaker 2: Dmitris straight. Apparently, False Dmitri number two was a similar
Speaker 2: height to False Dmitri the First, but only vaguely resembled him.
Speaker 2: Most accounts described False Dmitri the Second as well educated,
Speaker 2: having been able to write in Russian as well as Polish, which,
Speaker 2: similar to the prior Dmitri, would have helped him gain
Speaker 2: support in both countries. His handwriting apparently even looked like
Speaker 2: False Dmitri the firsts, although this could have been thanks
Speaker 2: to help from stand in Dmitri, who could have closely
Speaker 2: modeled the first Dmitri's penmanship for the second Dmitri. Regarding
Speaker 2: the background of False Dmitri the Second, consistent facts are
Speaker 2: hard to come by. Some sources pinpoint him as a
Speaker 2: Jew named Bogden. This is largely based on the fact
Speaker 2: that Hebrew writings and a copy of the p Tulmud
Speaker 2: were reportedly posthumously found in his belongings. Many other accounts
Speaker 2: also represent him as someone far less refined or from
Speaker 2: a low socioeconomic class, possibly the son of a coach
Speaker 2: driver or blacksmith. Maybe he was an apprentice himself, or
Speaker 2: a cossack, or maybe a teacher. According to many contemporary sources,
Speaker 2: False Dmitri the second also had some association with the church,
Speaker 2: since he was knowledgeable when it came to certain Russian
Speaker 2: Orthodox traditions. So he was probably, they say, the son
Speaker 2: of a priest, or maybe a priest's servant. But he
Speaker 2: was also seemingly a beggar when determined rebel agents were
Speaker 2: out looking for lookalikes, or if you were sympathetic to
Speaker 2: their spin, when they were out trying to locate the
Speaker 2: true Czar, who was certainly alive and had in no
Speaker 2: way been cremated and shot out of a cannon, So
Speaker 2: that would make False Dmitri the second a priest's servant
Speaker 2: turned beggar. Some accounts explained this progression through a salacious
Speaker 2: story about how he was a priest's servant, but how
Speaker 2: he had been turned out into the street when he
Speaker 2: was caught in bed with the wife of the priest
Speaker 2: he had been serving. Whatever this man's pre Dmitri identity,
Speaker 2: the general consensus among many historians seems to be that
Speaker 2: False Dmitri the Second did not want to be Czar
Speaker 2: Dmitri at all, but after being found, jailed and threatened
Speaker 2: with execution, he agreed that yes, he definitely was the
Speaker 2: real Dmitri. That said, having only just remembered that he
Speaker 2: was Dmitri te he needed training and then a big
Speaker 2: unveiling in May sixteen o seven. The town of Stardob
Speaker 2: was chosen by rebel leaders as a good place for
Speaker 2: this because of the helpful fact that the people there
Speaker 2: were not remotely familiar with what Zar Dmitri had been
Speaker 2: like in person. In a carefully engineered event, surprisingly similar
Speaker 2: to an episode of Undercover Boss, False Dmitri the Second
Speaker 2: arrived to town under an alias and asks around as
Speaker 2: to what people thought of Zar Dmitri and if they'd
Speaker 2: want him back in power again, and then aha, in
Speaker 2: a flashy public display, he revealed himself to be Zar Dmitri.
Speaker 2: All along he had been hiding as a test to
Speaker 2: judge their loyalty, and they'd passed. The whole spectacle supposedly
Speaker 2: really stirred up the town and won over its occupants.
Speaker 2: False Dmitri the Second then continued to gain support, but
Speaker 2: his rise also came at a great cost. His military
Speaker 2: forces slogged through bloody battles, sieges, and starvation as they
Speaker 2: fought against Tsar Vassili's army, facing steep obstacles preventing them
Speaker 2: from sweeping into Moscow. False Dmitri the Second and his
Speaker 2: rebel group set up a rival capital in the village
Speaker 2: of Tashino, which led to a messy, confusing, and wide
Speaker 2: ranging conflict that split the country in a sense. For
Speaker 2: over a year, Russia had two tsars, two capitals, and
Speaker 2: two armies. Along the way, False Dmitri the second political
Speaker 2: alliances became extremely fraught, since, for various reasons, he had
Speaker 2: to accept into his circle several other impostors who were
Speaker 2: also pretending to be the sons of powerful men, some
Speaker 2: of whom themselves were impostors. It's difficult to avoid being
Speaker 2: hyperbolic in parts of the story like this, but it
Speaker 2: basically got to the point that had you been sitting
Speaker 2: in a war planning meeting with False Dmitri the Second
Speaker 2: and looked to the person on your left and then
Speaker 2: to your right, at least one of them would have
Speaker 2: been an impostor, if not all three of you. During
Speaker 2: this time, zar vasily tried to speed up peace negotiations
Speaker 2: by releasing key prisoners to appease False Dmitri the Second.
Speaker 2: Polish supporters, including the wife and father in law of
Speaker 2: False Dmitri the First, vasily strictly ordered False Dmitri the
Speaker 2: First's widow, Marina and her father stick directly with their
Speaker 2: convoy and after reaching Poland Lithuania that they were under
Speaker 2: no circumstances to go join False Dmitri the Second where
Speaker 2: they could declare him to be Marina's miraculously surviving husband.
Speaker 2: So naturally, after getting captured by rubber, Marina and her
Speaker 2: dad met up with False Dmitri the Second, and after
Speaker 2: some negotiations about her future, she declared that he truly
Speaker 2: was Tsar Dmitri, her husband. He had survived, after all,
Speaker 2: what a miracle. This boosted the legitimacy of False Dmitri
Speaker 2: the Second, and by sixteen eight more than half of
Speaker 2: Russia recognized him as Tsar Dmitri. But this upswing also
Speaker 2: brought many more Dmitris. Given how the story of Dmitri
Speaker 2: surviving assassination attempts clearly captivated people, Russia became a hotbed
Speaker 2: for pretenders hoping to use the same formula for themselves.
Speaker 2: During the later stages of the Civil War, about ten
Speaker 2: more copycats claimed to be Czar Dmitri. These fellows do
Speaker 2: not typically even make it into the top tier of
Speaker 2: scholars fall Dmitri lists, since many of them barely scratched
Speaker 2: the surface of plausibility or garnered any traction at all. Still,
Speaker 2: all this Dmitri duplication led many Russians to lose faith
Speaker 2: in False Dmitri the Second. Desperate to curry favor with
Speaker 2: certain lords and rejuvenate his public support, False Dmitri the
Speaker 2: Second reportedly began offering rewards to those who found Pseudosavich's
Speaker 2: roaming around and brought them to him. He even resorted
Speaker 2: to executing other impostors in his own circle, some who
Speaker 2: he'd previously claimed were his close relatives, to prove that
Speaker 2: he was real and he would not tolerate fakes. However,
Speaker 2: False Dmitri the Second's influence was unraveling too fast for
Speaker 2: him to stop. Unlike the more open and forward thinking
Speaker 2: ruling style of the first Dmitri, the Second Dmitri's court was,
Speaker 2: by most accounts the opposite. It was guarded, paranoid, snobbish,
Speaker 2: and cruel. False Dmitri the Second lost the support of
Speaker 2: his advisers, and by letting his soldiers looting and pillaging
Speaker 2: go unchecked, he lost the support of townsfolk. False Dmitri
Speaker 2: the Second fled Tashino as his forces turned on him,
Speaker 2: but soon mistreated those around him so egregiously that the
Speaker 2: captain of his own bodyguard killed him on December eleventh,
Speaker 2: sixteen ten, while they were out sleigh riding. In addition
Speaker 2: to costing False Dmitri the Second his life, this bloody
Speaker 2: chapter of Russian history also sealed Czar Vasili's fate. Plagued
Speaker 2: by backlash over his handling of this civil war, Vasily
Speaker 2: was ousted, forced to be a monk, and imprisoned. He
Speaker 2: died a couple years later. What a rim and tragic
Speaker 2: end to the time of troubles Huh, Nope, hold on
Speaker 2: to your fur hats, because it's time for False Dmitri
Speaker 2: number three. Don't worry. Within the hem czar studded cast
Speaker 2: of False Dmitri's False Dmitri the Third's time in the
Speaker 2: spotlight is the briefest and least complicated. Who was he?
Speaker 2: Possibly a deacon or a trader. He purportedly ended up
Speaker 2: as a beggar in Novgorod, when sometime in sixteen eleven
Speaker 2: he or purportedly those who put him up to it,
Speaker 2: revealed his identity to be Dmitri, and he attracted some
Speaker 2: broader support. Like the first, false Dmitri, the third was
Speaker 2: said to be a great speaker and gained popularity among
Speaker 2: Cossack groups who had backed prior Dmitri iterations. The third's
Speaker 2: popularity act actually grew to the point that several higher
Speaker 2: up nobles in the agitated political scene in Moscow once
Speaker 2: again had to publicly back him this time, though their
Speaker 2: hearts just weren't that in it. In secret, several of
Speaker 2: the men trying to seize power at the Kremlin saw
Speaker 2: the Third as a nuisance and work together to have
Speaker 2: him captured and hanged in sixteen twelve, but that only
Speaker 2: paved the way for False Dmitri the fourth. Kidding mostly,
Speaker 2: there were a few rumors over the years about Dmitri resurrections,
Speaker 2: but some of these might have been due to erroneous
Speaker 2: reporting or accounting, and we have now covered the most
Speaker 2: influential branches of our dense Dmitri tree. After several more
Speaker 2: years of fighting and fierce political jostling. The time of
Speaker 2: the troubles essentially came to an end in sixteen thirteen,
Speaker 2: when Russia started to accept the Romanov dynasty as legitimate
Speaker 2: and citizens went about trying to rebuild their war torn country.
Speaker 2: Although the odd and tragic period of the false Dmitries
Speaker 2: was relatively brief, their collective story continues to fascinate why.
Speaker 2: In addition to having served up numerous uniquely absurd details,
Speaker 2: the procession of impostors brings up intriguing questions of identity
Speaker 2: on an individual scale and for Russia as a whole.
Speaker 2: It's important to remember that at this time, the Russian
Speaker 2: population was extremely widespread and largely illiterate. Accurate salient news
Speaker 2: was hard to come by, so two institutional constants that
Speaker 2: citizens put their trust in were the sovereignty of Russia
Speaker 2: and the Russian Orthodox Church. At various points, the figure
Speaker 2: of Zar Dmitri offered them a chance to actively fight
Speaker 2: for both. So to say Russian people were repeatedly embarrassingly
Speaker 2: duped is perhaps not giving them enough credit. Given the
Speaker 2: information and resources available, combined with the fact that so
Speaker 2: many of them were in grave debt and or starving,
Speaker 2: it's understandable for them to put their faith in a hopeful,
Speaker 2: battle tested legend supposedly capable of near christlike miracles. Beyond
Speaker 2: these loftier motivations, it's possible that some Russians support of
Speaker 2: Zar Dmitri revealed a very practical desire for stability. Power
Speaker 2: struggles meant bloodshed and steep taxes. Even for those skeptical
Speaker 2: of the rumors of miraculous escapes, the regal and righteous
Speaker 2: seeming Zar Dmitri, whoever he was, may have been significantly
Speaker 2: preferable to lesser known usurpers, if only for the sake
Speaker 2: of having a semblance of order, stability, and tradition. As
Speaker 2: for Dmitri, he was both a person or series of people,
Speaker 2: but also an enduring idea. As a symbol, Dmitri galvanized
Speaker 2: the masses and for centuries to come inspired creative works
Speaker 2: of fiction, theater, music, and poetry. In some ways, Dmitri
Speaker 2: was also an aspirational fantasy. For a brief period in Russia,
Speaker 2: there was basically an open casting call for an emperor.
Speaker 2: You could be a peasant, a beggar and alleged demon,
Speaker 2: accommodating former monk, and be plucked from obscurity and given
Speaker 2: the keys to the Kremlin. It's basically Russian American idol Czar.
Speaker 2: Dmitri's narrative was a classic rags to riches tale, so
Speaker 2: intent icing that it begged to be repeated again and again.
Speaker 2: And can we fully scoff at those involved, considering we've
Speaker 2: all probably fantasized about sitting on a throne at some point,
Speaker 2: maybe deep down we all have a little Dmitri in us.
Speaker 2: That's the end of the second part of the deja
Speaker 2: vu filled story of the False Dmitries. But stick around
Speaker 2: after a brief sponsor break to hear about one more
Speaker 2: supposed Dmitri who baffled Russia. In these False Dmitri chronicles,
Speaker 2: the Dmitries are all intriguing, but just like in any
Speaker 2: decent series of comic books or action movies, every legendary
Speaker 2: hero needs a worthy foil, and in Vasily Shwisky, this
Speaker 2: story has a fascinating antagonist and case study in contradiction.
Speaker 2: In analyzing Vasily's battles against various Dmitri incarnations, it's hard
Speaker 2: not to picture Vasily as everything from a cunning schemer
Speaker 2: to a ridiculous arch villain shrieking at his underlings for
Speaker 2: failing to dispatch his death defying rival. The time of
Speaker 2: the Troubles may have been a pinnacle for pretenderism, but
Speaker 2: it was also a heyday for hypocrites, perhaps none bigger
Speaker 2: than Vasily. For instance, after spending years promoting falsehoods about
Speaker 2: how Dmitri was a dark sorcerer in the League with Satan,
Speaker 2: when Vasily feared that he was losing the war to
Speaker 2: false Dmitri the Second, he allegedly looked into dark sorcery himself.
Speaker 2: In an even wilder turn of events, There is actually
Speaker 2: one more type of false Dmitri we have not yet discussed,
Speaker 2: one whose inclusion is debatable, since he never sought to rule,
Speaker 2: but whom Vasily had no one but himself to blame
Speaker 2: for creating. After usurping the throne, Vasily sought to further
Speaker 2: discredit false Dmitri the First by having the body of
Speaker 2: the young boy Dmitri, the one who died when he
Speaker 2: was eight years old, dug up under the guise of
Speaker 2: honoring him as a martyr. He had the exhumed Tsarevich
Speaker 2: paraded around while spreading propaganda that the amazingly well preserved
Speaker 2: body of this true Dmitri could perform miracles and emitted
Speaker 2: a sublime fragrance. The only problem with this plan, every
Speaker 2: part of it accounts claim that the spectacle fooled no one.
Speaker 2: Not only did the body smell like a dead body,
Speaker 2: everyone was almost certain that Vasily had actually ordered a
Speaker 2: boy of the same age to be killed and used
Speaker 2: as a replacement. In other words, the man who had
Speaker 2: spent an extraordinary, very amount of time playing a game
Speaker 2: of Whack a Dmitri perplexingly created a retroactive false Dmitri himself,
Speaker 2: although allegedly this one was already dead. And not only
Speaker 2: did Vasily keep trying to pass off this false dead
Speaker 2: Dmitri as legitimate, he made him a saint, which technically
Speaker 2: also made him the first canonized but now mostly non
Speaker 2: canonical Dmitri. As much as Vasily hated his zombie like nemesis,
Speaker 2: having dealt with him at every stage from boy to
Speaker 2: boy saint to man to czar to stand in czar
Speaker 2: to reluctant tzar to quickly multiplying horde of cheap knockoff czars,
Speaker 2: perhaps we should credit Dmitri's clearly obsessed opposite number as
Speaker 2: having actually done more to immortalize the Dmitri persona than
Speaker 2: any other person in history. Noble Blood is a production
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Speaker 2: Noble Blood is hosted by me Dana Schwartz, with additional
Speaker 2: writing and research by Hannah Johnston, Hannahswick, Courtney Sender, Amy Hit,
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