Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's talking Cowboys
Speaker 1: training live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Bill Jones, and welcome to the two thousand nineteen
Speaker 1: season of Dallas Cowboys football, which commences right now with
Speaker 1: the start of OTAs here at the Star in Frisco.
Speaker 1: Are you excited, Mickey Spagnola, You have a smile on
Speaker 1: your face. You're making this the official shot it is
Speaker 1: season because this is the first time, this is the
Speaker 1: first time the entire team has been on the field
Speaker 1: together at Ford Center at the Star in Frisco. It's
Speaker 1: happening right now right more or less, more or less,
Speaker 1: we've established the fact the rookies haven't gathered with the veterans,
Speaker 1: and so now you've got the entire team together for
Speaker 1: the first time here on May twenty first, Can I
Speaker 1: wait two thousand ninete, Can I wait till Tank Lawrence
Speaker 1: is back on the field before I say this is
Speaker 1: the official start of the season. Can I just get
Speaker 1: ninety back and then we say that I'm gonna wait
Speaker 1: till September. How about that. That's I'm so dramatic though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was so dramatic like that, Bill, you must be
Speaker 1: in the TV business. It's way overly dramatic. But okay,
Speaker 1: we'll go. I get it, though, man, I get it.
Speaker 1: Sell it. The helmets are on, the helmets are on,
Speaker 1: they're doing stuff. But yeah, what do voluntary mean? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it is volunt Wait wait, wait until tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Minicamp next month will be the official start. Okay, wait
Speaker 1: a minute. What do you got on? But that watch?
Speaker 1: I can't see? Yeah, but look at it. What's wrong
Speaker 1: with it? It's awesome, it's what it is. Yeah, it's gold,
Speaker 1: it's baller. There it is. I can't see. That's my problem.
Speaker 1: Was that a bull gift? No, it's just so you
Speaker 1: played before there were such things. Yeah, I wish I
Speaker 1: miss I missed the bull watch I got. I've got
Speaker 1: all my bull watches though, but they're all too small. No,
Speaker 1: I can't see anymore, Mick. That's my problem. That has
Speaker 1: to be big enough for me to see. Can you
Speaker 1: see what time it is? There about? It's time for
Speaker 1: the start of a cowboy season? There we go. I'm sorry, Mick,
Speaker 1: I just that site couldn't see I just saw it.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Thanks all that big white band. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I need a summer watch. Goes my summer watch. It
Speaker 1: goes well, a super Bowl ring you guys, solid gold, No,
Speaker 1: not that solid gold, Mickey. It's just it's kind of
Speaker 1: a gift to myself. So and leave it to Mickey
Speaker 1: to derail the Cowboys season as soon as we get
Speaker 1: to start it. Yeah, that's okay, I appreciate. We're fine
Speaker 1: by eleven old four. It's derailed by mixing the dramatic
Speaker 1: opening you had derailed the scene. Everybody was ready to
Speaker 1: go until you get a big voice guy on some
Speaker 1: distractable player. Exactly, Yes, you are speaking of that guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, So you know they are indoors. Fords are
Speaker 1: all the practice is going to be indoors because their
Speaker 1: instruction going on outdoors. There is one field available, but
Speaker 1: they're not gonna use it. They're not gonna use They're
Speaker 1: gonna play indoors till we get to From what I
Speaker 1: heard and talking to Chris the field man, he says
Speaker 1: he will not have this ready until training camp, until
Speaker 1: after we get back from training camp. The other field
Speaker 1: will not be ready, so they'll do everything inside for
Speaker 1: the next month or so. Yeah, they didn't have any choice.
Speaker 1: Today it's raining. Yeah, it is raining today and so
Speaker 1: uh and Mickey give us an update on the construction
Speaker 1: going on out there exactly. There's gonna be a big announcement,
Speaker 1: I believe tomorrow afternoon, the third construction of the Doctor
Speaker 1: Pepper building that will take up the players parking lot.
Speaker 1: But that's the most involved process I've ever seen to
Speaker 1: put down another grass field. He's been out there surveying things. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's very in tune with so much stuff. What are
Speaker 1: they doing. They're building a building, that's what they're doing.
Speaker 1: But there's going to be a grass field there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they had to make they had to make a
Speaker 1: for the fire. Why are we talking about that? God?
Speaker 1: And when our rating sucks sometimes cover your watch what
Speaker 1: they're building up. Some cowboys. That cowboy. This is cowboys.
Speaker 1: They built a cement wall in the ground. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: Mickey down, everybody gets to see what you and I
Speaker 1: get to see every day. They're putting a they're putting
Speaker 1: a fire lane around. They have to have the fire
Speaker 1: lane built, so they have to move the field, build
Speaker 1: the fire lane, and then now we can have a field.
Speaker 1: So they have to build the fire lane first that
Speaker 1: goes all the way around the buildings. So that the
Speaker 1: explanation I was looking for it kind of like a
Speaker 1: fire we could allo on your computer. We could have
Speaker 1: had this offline, but no, I asked it right now.
Speaker 1: He's six minutes in fifty four minutes of construction topic.
Speaker 1: People want us to pull the crew. And there is
Speaker 1: one thing that we all Cowboys fans and everyone in
Speaker 1: this building praying for that what happens during OTAs here
Speaker 1: is not the same thing that happened yesterday in Washington,
Speaker 1: and that would be a player, a key player going
Speaker 1: down with an injury ring first snap. They've had that happen.
Speaker 1: Remember Sean Lee yep, and was five years ago to fourteen.
Speaker 1: Zach Martin. Yeah, that's that's that's the biggest fear that
Speaker 1: you have of And when you when you get on
Speaker 1: the field, you're all excited to see the rookies and
Speaker 1: the veterans, and Mickey has talked about this before. How
Speaker 1: do these rookie's practice? How do they learn to practice?
Speaker 1: The veteran guys know tempo, They understand how to work
Speaker 1: with each other. You know, are you going to have
Speaker 1: a rookie that's a little uh conxuberant, trying to make
Speaker 1: a rambunctious whatever word you want to use that I
Speaker 1: can't spell. You have to worry about that. You have
Speaker 1: to worry about guys planting, turning, I mean injuries part
Speaker 1: of this game, but you don't want it during an
Speaker 1: OTA where something you know, I mean the other day
Speaker 1: with Webber, I mean him, you know now I having
Speaker 1: to get an MRI. Everything indications everything's back, he's back
Speaker 1: to practice and stuff like that. But you just don't
Speaker 1: want anything to derail your start of your season as
Speaker 1: you go to camp. And you mentioned Zach Martin and
Speaker 1: that twenty fourteen Martin was a rookie. He was a
Speaker 1: rookie and he was and he did a great It
Speaker 1: was a great block on Yeah, he eliminated uh Sean Lee,
Speaker 1: but Sean was trying to plant redirect and knee gave
Speaker 1: out so that he had a bad knee anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a freak thing. But that's another reason. And why
Speaker 1: if these guys have a little something, you're not going
Speaker 1: to see him out here. And I know Tank and
Speaker 1: Byron Jones wouldn't be ready for this anyway. But you're
Speaker 1: gonna see those guys hopefully week one. You're not going
Speaker 1: to see him try to push to get back in
Speaker 1: training camp. You know they're gonna bubble wrap guys this time.
Speaker 1: You gotta have your key guys healthy and so um.
Speaker 1: It's probably why you're not going to see everybody out
Speaker 1: here in the OTAs. You know. That's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why back in the day when they were training,
Speaker 1: I had training camp in Thousand Oaks. Tom would bring
Speaker 1: in the rookies ahead of time for right and and
Speaker 1: there were other reasons why they brought him in early,
Speaker 1: but one of the reasons were to get the rookies
Speaker 1: exuberance out of them for a week. Entire veterans got there.
Speaker 1: They don't come in and ruin Tony Dorset or I
Speaker 1: think as happened in nineteen eighty nine, they had signed
Speaker 1: a rookie running or a free agent running back. No,
Speaker 1: it was ninety because it was stands some stands Pagala
Speaker 1: from stands Megala, Yeah, And he took out the the
Speaker 1: veteran running back on the first practice and tore his
Speaker 1: knee up. It was touched down somebody from Nebraska. I
Speaker 1: can't remember the guys, Tommy Vardell, No, no, it wasn't
Speaker 1: stand for from Stanford, but anyway, it was. That was
Speaker 1: an example of you have contact right away and there
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna make a big tackle on the sideline.
Speaker 1: He takes out your ring back. He's just spent free
Speaker 1: agent money on well. And speaking of that, they're an
Speaker 1: injury this morning at OTA's the Buffalo Bills. They're big
Speaker 1: free agent tight end signing. Tyler Kroft goes down with
Speaker 1: a I believe it was a fractured foot, and he's
Speaker 1: lost for four months at least. It looks like they
Speaker 1: just spent eighteen million dollars over the next three years
Speaker 1: for him. Bill, Why why are you making me worried
Speaker 1: all of a sudden about Jones over here? Don't worry.
Speaker 1: The trainers are already worried. Yeah, this is not their breath.
Speaker 1: This is not a fun time in Yere. Again, this
Speaker 1: part is not fun. But you got to get out
Speaker 1: there at some point, and and you know, because of
Speaker 1: the new CBA, you're already reduced on what you can
Speaker 1: do on the field anyway, so this is valuable time.
Speaker 1: Before you get the training camp, whether you're in pads
Speaker 1: or not. So what's the big thing they try to
Speaker 1: accomplish during OTAs? Get them lined up? Yeah? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean to me, this is when when you go out
Speaker 1: to the OTA field to watch practice on tomorrow, just
Speaker 1: take a take a peek of where they're playing guys in. Again,
Speaker 1: you got a factor in injuries of guys. Like Rob
Speaker 1: was saying that some guys won't be practicing, But if they're,
Speaker 1: if they're moving guys in multiple positions, if they if
Speaker 1: they're taking safer example, they're taking one of the Jackson,
Speaker 1: the defensive tack defensive end from Miami, and they're playing
Speaker 1: him on the left and right side. That give you
Speaker 1: a little indication that they feel like, Okay, this kid,
Speaker 1: we're gonna throw something at him and see if he
Speaker 1: can handle both the safety we're talking about the safety
Speaker 1: from Texas A and m Yesterday, Yeah, Wilson, if you
Speaker 1: listen to yesterday to the show UM Hanging with the Boys,
Speaker 1: Will McClay was on and he was talking about some
Speaker 1: of Nate asked a question about some flexibility with him,
Speaker 1: his ability to play at the slot. Will's like, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: the more things. You can get these guys to do
Speaker 1: catch catch where they're playing guys, and if guys are
Speaker 1: playing on the first and second team, maybe that will
Speaker 1: give you a little bit of an indication of what
Speaker 1: they think about these guys and how we're going to
Speaker 1: see him used at training camp. That's a great point
Speaker 1: because if they if they like a guy, they'll try
Speaker 1: him at different spots. Right and just in case, you know,
Speaker 1: injuries happened during the season, if it were in a pinch,
Speaker 1: can this guy do it right? And that's it's a
Speaker 1: test for a guy that they have some some faith
Speaker 1: in or belief in their ability make you you like
Speaker 1: to chime in. I thought that was very well said yeah,
Speaker 1: because because I mean they're they're lining up offensive defense,
Speaker 1: but they're not in pads. It's hard to judge what
Speaker 1: the offensive defensive linemen are doing. Like johad Ward last
Speaker 1: year looked great and he's out. He Rod Marinelli kept telling,
Speaker 1: But Rod Marinelli kept telling us, I really like him.
Speaker 1: We got to see what the pad's on. He did
Speaker 1: say that a bunch and we got the training camp
Speaker 1: and it was a different story. But like me out
Speaker 1: there playing, but like you said, lining up see where
Speaker 1: guys line up and how guys are moving around. You
Speaker 1: can watch, you know, pay attention more to the skill
Speaker 1: guys in the in the defensive backs more so, I think,
Speaker 1: than than the lines, you know. And because of how
Speaker 1: many guys they'll have very limited in these workouts, there's
Speaker 1: some young guys are gonna get an opportunity to get
Speaker 1: out there and get some snaps they normally wouldn't get.
Speaker 1: If Taco Charlton was out there, and Anton Woods was
Speaker 1: out there, if DeMarcus Lawrence was out there, then somebody
Speaker 1: gets pushed down. But now everybody kind of gets to
Speaker 1: move up a step and you get opportunity to at
Speaker 1: least show him that, Okay, I know where to line up,
Speaker 1: I know what the plate calls are, I know what
Speaker 1: my responsibilities are and go from there. But again, I
Speaker 1: think what always gets lost in these things is this
Speaker 1: is practice, right. They're teaching these rookies things that they
Speaker 1: haven't done before, and it's a little too early to
Speaker 1: start grading guys, and it's like this guy can't do this,
Speaker 1: or if y'all do it, and who's winning well like
Speaker 1: position battles, and he kind of gotta wait till pad's
Speaker 1: come on. But yeah, this is where though, But this
Speaker 1: is where with no Travis Frederick. Yeah, this will be
Speaker 1: interesting to see if they play McGovern at center like
Speaker 1: he was doing in the rookie Yeah, well he will.
Speaker 1: Will he be a guy that they're saying, Okay, we're
Speaker 1: gonna we're going to either you know, he'll be probably
Speaker 1: Joe Looney and then will it be mcgoverned or who else? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, they they they had the kid last year
Speaker 1: that they kept on the on the season the whole year. Anger,
Speaker 1: No God, why am I the kid that they got?
Speaker 1: Thankin apologize mister missus Redmond for forgetting your son's name.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean he was a guy that played.
Speaker 1: Will will McGovern be over Redman playing center in this thing?
Speaker 1: Will we see him playing more guard? Where? Will we see? See?
Speaker 1: That's what the things I'm gonna I'm gonna keep an
Speaker 1: eye on, though, is how quickly they're gonna get some
Speaker 1: of these guys incorporate and by you know, by injury
Speaker 1: they're gonna happen. I think the defensive line is actually
Speaker 1: gonna be a really a mess, and I mean it's
Speaker 1: in a mess of it's all gonna be young guys. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be any I think there'll
Speaker 1: be very few veterans that are actually playing with this
Speaker 1: defensive line. So who's who's really having for me from surgeries? Uh, Lawrence,
Speaker 1: Taco Woods, Woods, you can throw Frederick in there. I'm
Speaker 1: talking defensive defensive line guys. Yeah, no, Randy Gregory, you
Speaker 1: know Gregory's not there. Yeah, um, the Saintan defensive line,
Speaker 1: but Byron Jones won't be out there. So when you're
Speaker 1: talking defensive line, it's gonna be a lot you're gonna
Speaker 1: see there's gonna be a lot of young guys and
Speaker 1: maybe a lot of these young guys are gonna get
Speaker 1: to work against a lot of these veteran all pro
Speaker 1: guys that you have, Joe Jackson, like you mentioned, Lawrence Armstrong,
Speaker 1: the undrafted guys, Daniel Wise. They'll get some reps. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: they will get and that that's that's the good thing
Speaker 1: about is And and we'll get to see some we'll
Speaker 1: see a veteran guy or two maybe with with Christian Covington,
Speaker 1: you know, Hider, those guys. You guys will get some
Speaker 1: opportunity there, but it won't I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: when they go out there, that first defensive line will
Speaker 1: not look anything like what you're probably gonna think. It's
Speaker 1: when Collins good to go? Is he? No? I didn't
Speaker 1: hear any problems with him, Mickey, You and I went
Speaker 1: through that thin. Didn't you write that down? We're it's
Speaker 1: going to run today. Okay, Okay, Mickey's got a story
Speaker 1: had I had it in Mick shots and then they
Speaker 1: decided let's break out. Okay, Mickey did a thing where
Speaker 1: he Nicky's got injured, He's got it all. Mickey's got
Speaker 1: the whole thing. We met with the proper folks and
Speaker 1: they kind of took us down a path that we
Speaker 1: need to go. So and a lot of these guys
Speaker 1: are going to be limited. They may go out there
Speaker 1: and do like individual drills, you know, skeleton stuff, and
Speaker 1: then when they go on eleven, they'll they'll be out
Speaker 1: of there. You're not gonna see Lele Collins probably out there.
Speaker 1: These quarterbacks, these backup quarterbacks need to have a good start,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I mean it's time for them to
Speaker 1: kind of build on something. Take this next month and
Speaker 1: kind of build on it where you're watching them every
Speaker 1: day they look accurate, you know, they're not getting hit,
Speaker 1: but they look like they're moving the team. They're making
Speaker 1: good throws, they're making good decisions. That's a big that's
Speaker 1: a big question mark to me. Right now they have
Speaker 1: a fourth guy. They do not. And Stephen was asked
Speaker 1: that yesterday when he talked at the complexity, uh kind
Speaker 1: of that. Philip Nelson was the guy that they brought
Speaker 1: in to help out, and he said, somebody asked him,
Speaker 1: are you going to bring in a fourth and he
Speaker 1: goes not. Now, he goes, you know, those young guys
Speaker 1: need all the snaps they can get. There you go
Speaker 1: and he goes in on top of that, Dak likes
Speaker 1: a lot of snaps. He goes, we might bring one in,
Speaker 1: but as of now, you know, these guys need snaps.
Speaker 1: They do. They need to figure that backup quarterback spot.
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna win this shop. Because we talked about this
Speaker 1: every every week we go on. We could talk about
Speaker 1: how this roster is going to be shaped, and then
Speaker 1: when we get to ox Star, we're really going to
Speaker 1: talk about how this thing is shaped. I don't think
Speaker 1: you can keep three quarterbacks. I don't think you are
Speaker 1: four quarterbacks. Three quarterbacks. Yeah, I don't think you can
Speaker 1: keep four tight ends. I mean, look at some of
Speaker 1: these positions and this is what OTAs is like. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me see the numbers here. Okay, I've got these
Speaker 1: guys not practicing. I got these guys practice. Look at
Speaker 1: the numbers and just say, wow, this is a spot
Speaker 1: that they can't go long here. They can't go long here.
Speaker 1: They can't go long here. Man, They've got to figure
Speaker 1: us these things out. And I think these quarterbacks, I
Speaker 1: think these quarterbacks need to get off on a good foot.
Speaker 1: The backup quarterbacks need to get off on a good foot.
Speaker 1: And it kind of builds some momentum to where somebody
Speaker 1: wins this job this summer. Where do you think they
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush and Mike Whiked, where do you if you
Speaker 1: consider turn us into quarterback too? And we just got
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes for our first break here, so
Speaker 1: let's explore that right now. Who are are they in
Speaker 1: a dead right now? What do you think? See? Cooper
Speaker 1: Rush showed things as rookie preseason, and really that's how
Speaker 1: he won the job. That's how he got on here.
Speaker 1: And then last year, last year like a bag of
Speaker 1: you know what, and both of them did Yeah, Am
Speaker 1: I right? No, you're right, but you were looking for
Speaker 1: one of them to step up? One was gonna, okay,
Speaker 1: who was going to be the guy? Much does Mike
Speaker 1: White improved from year one to year two? I was
Speaker 1: riding the Mike White train like it was no tomorrow.
Speaker 1: And what happened there? It's a it's a position we're
Speaker 1: not talking about enough. We talked so much all offseason
Speaker 1: about what happens something happens to Zeke, Well, Zeke never,
Speaker 1: Zeke never gets hurt. But what if something happens, well,
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott never gets hurt. RAN's knocking on wood for me,
Speaker 1: what happens if Dak Prescott? Missus snaps? What happens like
Speaker 1: somebody saying, not saying they should have drafted a guy.
Speaker 1: But it was such a focus on backup running back.
Speaker 1: Somebody need to step up at backup quarterback, no question,
Speaker 1: no question. And the thing about it is we don't
Speaker 1: get an opportunity to early to I mean, the only
Speaker 1: time we get the chance to look at him is
Speaker 1: during training camp in preseason. Outside of this time year,
Speaker 1: we can watch him a little bit on one day
Speaker 1: a week you're in OTAs, let's see if every week,
Speaker 1: starting tomorrow, that the working with working with John Kitten
Speaker 1: improves these guys. I'm not just talking about the backup guys.
Speaker 1: Let's see if we see a little improvement in Dak.
Speaker 1: Maybe something with footwork, maybe something with accuracy, maybe something
Speaker 1: with arm angle. Maybe there's something like man, he looks
Speaker 1: a little different through in. The ball looks a little different,
Speaker 1: you know, the ball placement looks a little different here today.
Speaker 1: Every week we should see something that maybe leads us
Speaker 1: to training camp to think. Because again I bring up
Speaker 1: the thing about Connor Williams. We saw things with Connor
Speaker 1: Williams and it's like point, it doesn't look strong. He
Speaker 1: doesn't look strong enough right now. He doesn't look strong enough.
Speaker 1: That was kind of something that we noticed in the
Speaker 1: OTAs and it carried over into training camp and he
Speaker 1: struggled through the year. But let's try and find something
Speaker 1: every week that day. Maybe this guy and these quarterbacks
Speaker 1: need to get better. They need to prove that they
Speaker 1: are confident. If something happens to your starting quarter maybe
Speaker 1: John Kitten it can have a good influence because we
Speaker 1: talked about his relationship with Dak, but maybe he hadn't
Speaker 1: get it number again. Yeah. Well, God, God, God, God
Speaker 1: rest his soul. Wade Wilson. You know, I think that
Speaker 1: Wade Wilson that first year did the veteran quarterback guy,
Speaker 1: the veteran president of a quarterback helped Dak Prescott along
Speaker 1: with along with Mark Sanchez. Let's see if if the
Speaker 1: drills and harping on technique and all that will help
Speaker 1: help these quarterbacks improve. And I think a big part
Speaker 1: of it for Dak and making the transition his rookie
Speaker 1: year is he knew Wade Wilson believed in him because
Speaker 1: he was one of the Wade Wilson was a guy
Speaker 1: that brought him here and absolutely and he was selling him.
Speaker 1: They will admit that, the Scouts will admit that they
Speaker 1: thought they had Dak Prescott and they didn't accept at
Speaker 1: this time his rookie year, he was an afterthought. That's right.
Speaker 1: He was behind Jamil Chef was in many people's by
Speaker 1: the way. They thought they thought they had him. The
Speaker 1: Scouts thought they had that guy. Another guy that'll be
Speaker 1: limited because limited in practice because remember he's coming back
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Speaker 1: I did Saturday and Sunday. I was actual happy in
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Speaker 1: no smile from me in the back of the row.
Speaker 1: The picture. You weren't smiling. He weren't. He wasn't. He
Speaker 1: was way off camera and it was like this. Someone said, okay,
Speaker 1: get together for a picture. Mickey's like, why, I was
Speaker 1: trading on what I needed to do to make sure
Speaker 1: somebody didn't fall through the cracks that should No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it was the team picture of the judges. Oh, the
Speaker 1: team picture of the judges. Yeah yeah, yeah. He looked
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Speaker 1: I think so were the picture and still looked ticked off.
Speaker 1: I wasn't ticked off. It was it was. It was
Speaker 1: a good weekend. Of course he wouldn't tick especially on
Speaker 1: Saturday because it rained all day and we were indoors, right,
Speaker 1: and this was the first round, first round, semi finals,
Speaker 1: semi final. A week from this weekend is the finals.
Speaker 1: They bring back the veterans and the new bees. Have
Speaker 1: to like, Okay, you look good with going up against
Speaker 1: all the the the you knew the new much more
Speaker 1: time on the TV show. If I say something stupid, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: you try to say something stupid. I don't do it
Speaker 1: on purpose. I'd like it just it just happens, yes, okay.
Speaker 1: Gerald McCoy officially released by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers yesterday.
Speaker 1: Here's a sixth a six time pro bowler whose production
Speaker 1: has not really fallen off the last few years, thirty
Speaker 1: one years old, who was the third pick in the
Speaker 1: draft in two ten. What do you think the market
Speaker 1: will be like for him out there? I think it'll
Speaker 1: greatly improve now that the twenty nineteen base salary is
Speaker 1: not thirteen million dollars. And I think that kind of
Speaker 1: being released ruined the trade value for Tampa Bay because
Speaker 1: his base salary was going to be thirteen million dollars.
Speaker 1: We're also passed losing losing the compensatory pick, right, it
Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't count against Yeah, that helps. Well, he
Speaker 1: would be as a release player. He can't be, yep,
Speaker 1: a factor anyway. Right. But so you got and Sue
Speaker 1: was the second pick of the draft that year. So
Speaker 1: and both out there on the street right now, So
Speaker 1: how long will this process play out? You think that
Speaker 1: will because one looking at the other, Okay, if he's
Speaker 1: getting wants to play football, okay, or go to training camp.
Speaker 1: Training camp is a big problem for him, or or
Speaker 1: as soon as the Reuben Foster of the defensive tackles. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what I was about to say. I think it
Speaker 1: might behoove Gerald McCoy to wait and see unless someone
Speaker 1: jumps at him with an offer, which I doubt they will.
Speaker 1: Right now, he's talking about playoff teams and stuff. That's funny.
Speaker 1: He mentioned Cleveland as a playoff team. Yeah, so everybody's
Speaker 1: mentioning Cleveland now is the destination of let's go and
Speaker 1: be a part of that. Like the prohibitive favorite to
Speaker 1: win the North in the AFC. That's shock. How much
Speaker 1: do you guys know about Cleveland's roster? Do you guys
Speaker 1: know very much? They're loaded with young talent, They're okay,
Speaker 1: I know, I know that the NFL did a study
Speaker 1: or had a story about that the Cowboys had the
Speaker 1: sixth best roster. I think, yeah, the Los Angeles Chargers
Speaker 1: were number one. I think that Cleveland was ranked two
Speaker 1: or three? Am I right about that? Did you should
Speaker 1: they go into details on why they're ranked just because
Speaker 1: overall roster names overall roster. That's what they said, from
Speaker 1: top to bottom, you know, the over overall roster. They
Speaker 1: mentioned about the Cowboys and the fact that the additions
Speaker 1: with with Cobb and Witton, those guys might not be
Speaker 1: what they once were, but it should help, you know.
Speaker 1: But they were talking about the All pros and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. So yeah, I mean Cleveland's roster. They they
Speaker 1: I'm they're running a four three with Steve Wilkes is
Speaker 1: their defensive coordinator. That's true, that's true. They win last
Speaker 1: year seven seven, I'm just drying figure year. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just asked, well, how many did they win last year?
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm expecting you to be so casting about this.
Speaker 1: I guess sorry about that. He just immediately just jumped
Speaker 1: on that, didn't you You weren't you knew that was coming? Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you knew that pitch was coming. You're waiting on it.
Speaker 1: You turned on it. I did they Cleveland? See? Sometimes
Speaker 1: I wonder interest from Cleveland for this player or not?
Speaker 1: Well doesn't doesn't the player? The player throws his names
Speaker 1: if they throw it out. Yeah, so it wasn't somebody
Speaker 1: in Cleveland lobbying for him already like somebody? So again
Speaker 1: my question is there really legitimate interest from Cleveland or not?
Speaker 1: Cleveland is paying Sheldon? They signed Sheldon Richardson three years,
Speaker 1: thirty six million dollars. Sure, what position to Sheldon Richardson play?
Speaker 1: So I'm saying, like how much I watched the Jets.
Speaker 1: He's saying position? Yeah, right, exactly. See, I need to
Speaker 1: know if Richardson would play the one or would he
Speaker 1: play the three? See that's what I think. I don't see.
Speaker 1: I didn't see much of Jets tape. So that's why
Speaker 1: I was when anytime it's an AFC question, I feel
Speaker 1: like an idiot because I need to focus in on
Speaker 1: not so much. See you what's going on? In Washington,
Speaker 1: New York, Philly and stepped around a little bit. Now,
Speaker 1: so he was with the Seahawks and then the Vikings
Speaker 1: and and so they've got Ojanobi also, right, and so
Speaker 1: the Virgin since at twelve million a year there, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm sure McCoy feels like he should be in
Speaker 1: that ballpark. Well, everybody's going to mention Cleveland because they
Speaker 1: think they have a better roster, so that others will
Speaker 1: mention the Patriots because the Patriots are the Patriots. They
Speaker 1: pick off players like this, and they'll mention the Cowboys
Speaker 1: because of where he's from and this Oklaoma city, Yeah,
Speaker 1: not far from you know, from here. So so would
Speaker 1: you bring it to the Cowboys? Should there be interest
Speaker 1: from the Cowboys in this player? They will tell you no.
Speaker 1: They will tell you no because they feel like that
Speaker 1: they want to see what they have. They're they're going
Speaker 1: to try and go with the young players first. Just
Speaker 1: spend a high draft pick. They're gonna they're gonna give
Speaker 1: They're gonna give this kid a chance. He'll to compete
Speaker 1: with Malie Collins and see if he can play the
Speaker 1: three and the undertie. What be good? So what does
Speaker 1: what do the cowboys tell Gerald McCoy's agent when he
Speaker 1: calls and ask if there's hey, thanks best to luck,
Speaker 1: Please don't go to Philly or one of those places.
Speaker 1: They say, we can give you. We're full, they can
Speaker 1: do it. No room, no, no, I've talked to something happened.
Speaker 1: Then I've talked to the cap guys. They can do
Speaker 1: a deal. They can do we can give you a
Speaker 1: one year deal for four or five million. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know that's interested. But see that's what that's what they've
Speaker 1: done with Cobb, and you know that's what they've done
Speaker 1: with these guys. It's flexibility. Next year gives him. It
Speaker 1: gives the guy a chance to cash in next year.
Speaker 1: He's obviously going to be signing late. There's not as
Speaker 1: much old. He always wanted to be a cowboy, and
Speaker 1: he would he would bite at that deal. You would
Speaker 1: do that? Well, yeah, five or six millions, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: you would. One year, Yeah, absolutely, you would, absolutely you would.
Speaker 1: But see that's the thing about it is if if
Speaker 1: it turns into Okay, we're gonna try and do this
Speaker 1: for is this twelve thirteen for one? No it's not,
Speaker 1: you know, but who is it said that's that. We're
Speaker 1: past that, right, We're past the thirteen million dollars. I
Speaker 1: think Mickey just said it. We're past thirteen million dollars.
Speaker 1: As far as not getting that, I mean, if he
Speaker 1: if he they trust me, they said they can do
Speaker 1: a one year deal if they have to. And remember
Speaker 1: last year he only had six sacks and he didn't
Speaker 1: have any sacks in the last six games of the
Speaker 1: season twenty one quarterback pressures against the Cowboys when they played,
Speaker 1: he had one tackle. So let's not think this is
Speaker 1: six times seven time Pro Bowler Gerald mcquoi. Still, he's
Speaker 1: still been pretty productive. Six sacks, Yeah, it's been what's
Speaker 1: what's what he's averaged most of his career? Right? How many?
Speaker 1: How many did you look at? How many did Jason
Speaker 1: Pierre Paul had. Last six games last year, he had
Speaker 1: six sat he didn't have any sacks and ten tackles.
Speaker 1: And that was Tampa Bay. They needed him on the field.
Speaker 1: The sack leader on their team was Jason Pierre Paul.
Speaker 1: That was their guy who was there. Still is a
Speaker 1: I would like to have the guy myself, Yeah, I would.
Speaker 1: I get I get with Mickey saying here, and he's
Speaker 1: not wrong. But the year before Jerald McCoy had six sacks.
Speaker 1: The year before that he had seven sacks, the year
Speaker 1: before that eight and a half. I mean, he's that's
Speaker 1: kind of where he's at. Yeah, most, you know, most
Speaker 1: years he had. According to Pro Football Reference, he had
Speaker 1: twenty one quarterback hits. Last year he had twenty four.
Speaker 1: The year before he had fourteen, the year before that,
Speaker 1: seventeen the year before that. Tackles lass he had six
Speaker 1: last year, thirteen, the year before five, the year before that, eight,
Speaker 1: the year before that. So, I mean, he's give me
Speaker 1: the number of game pensive line, give me the number
Speaker 1: of games he's played. He has he been? Is he
Speaker 1: a sixteen sixteen? He started in play fourteen games last year? Okay,
Speaker 1: fifteen fifteen, fifteen thirteen, sixteen sixteen. My note here says
Speaker 1: he played seven hundred and thirty two snaps, so right
Speaker 1: at seventy percent of the snaps and he missed two games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, guys, I'm just on a one year deal,
Speaker 1: you know, I would take it's it's it's it's kind
Speaker 1: of like, let me ask you this though, Mickey. I'm
Speaker 1: just not trying to push in a spot but would
Speaker 1: you have done the same thing for Cobb? And I
Speaker 1: mean when when Cobb, before they signed Cobb, would would
Speaker 1: you have felt like that would have been money will spent. Yes,
Speaker 1: Rendall cop Yes, even before he means all you knew.
Speaker 1: The only the only downside on Cobb is last year
Speaker 1: he had a hamstring injury. Right His production before that
Speaker 1: was high. His production the year before was high until
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers got hurt. When when our Aaron Rodgers went down,
Speaker 1: his numbers went down because he was playing with a
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback who weren't ready to play. There's one difference
Speaker 1: there though. When they signed Cobb, they had a clear
Speaker 1: hole there without Beasley, but it was still a one
Speaker 1: year deal. I get it. So my point was one year,
Speaker 1: four or five. You know, I'm okay with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so let me ask you this, but I'm not
Speaker 1: until a long term Let's say the Buccaneers had released
Speaker 1: McCoy before the draft, okay, when the Cowboys had a
Speaker 1: clear hold of that position. That's what I'm saying. Different
Speaker 1: story now, But you did just spend a second round
Speaker 1: pick on a guy that you really like and see
Speaker 1: might Triston Hill. Yeah, Okay, he's twenty years old. Yeah, okay, one,
Speaker 1: if he's twenty one, he just turned twenty one, right,
Speaker 1: Rod Marinelli was with him one's birthday, right, yeah's right,
Speaker 1: that's right, okay, okay. And I'm looking at a player
Speaker 1: like that coming into the year. He's not the it's
Speaker 1: going to be very difficult for that player to take
Speaker 1: on the full load of an NFL season right off
Speaker 1: the bat. Well, he can be a very very productive
Speaker 1: player in a rotation, and it might be great for
Speaker 1: Gerald McCoy's career to be more in a rotation as well.
Speaker 1: Better players are on him, I think would help. The
Speaker 1: other part of Jerald McCoy is he is a tremendous
Speaker 1: person and he's a tremendous leader, and he would be
Speaker 1: a great mentor to that young defensive tackle you just drafted. See.
Speaker 1: I was just trying to think about and I appreciate
Speaker 1: the way Mickey answered the question, but I'm always wondering
Speaker 1: about this. You know, if if production, you know, was
Speaker 1: Cobb really the most productive, was he really the most healthy?
Speaker 1: You know, if we're not willing to do that, if
Speaker 1: we weren't willing to do Cobb, then we why are
Speaker 1: we willing to do this one you know, why are
Speaker 1: we willing to you know, but if again, if it's
Speaker 1: a one year deal and it's you know, I don't
Speaker 1: think you're going to get him for five million dollars.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just don't think that's going to happen.
Speaker 1: But if we're willing to do it, were willing to
Speaker 1: do it for eight million dollars, were willing to do
Speaker 1: it for that? I mean, if you think you were
Speaker 1: going to get Cobb for five million dollars on one
Speaker 1: year deal, I just thought I thought worse of Cobb
Speaker 1: than you did, Mickey, all right, I thought worse. That's
Speaker 1: that's just me. I thought I thought there was more
Speaker 1: were there and you and you factored in about the
Speaker 1: stuff with Rogers not being available. You know, I definitely
Speaker 1: definitely hurt the guy, But I I was I would
Speaker 1: be more likely not to sign Cop than I would McCoy.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense, you know, just on just what
Speaker 1: I know, just what I know about you know the
Speaker 1: number of games, and you know, I think that Tampa's
Speaker 1: situation for a while there, their quarterback situation has been bad.
Speaker 1: They went out and they signed Jason Pierre Paul he
Speaker 1: was their leading socker. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: issues there with Tampa. I think that's an organization that
Speaker 1: sometimes players go to die. And if you wanted him,
Speaker 1: you probably could have traded a sixth round pick and
Speaker 1: got him. You didn't want that. You don't tell them
Speaker 1: we're restructuring that that contract, you're not getting that salary.
Speaker 1: Likes point. You know you traded for Robert Quinn, a
Speaker 1: guy that's proven that can step in, and you know that,
Speaker 1: you know he's gonna help you this year. That's where
Speaker 1: I'm how much difference between the two guys. Yeah, See,
Speaker 1: that's where I need to figure out because I watch
Speaker 1: ages about the same, about the same, and they're both
Speaker 1: limited on the sacks. One has his contract, one has six.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at Robert Quinn's numbers, it's
Speaker 1: very similar. Quinn's deal's one year, it might be twenty nine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So Quinn's deal's one year, eight million, okay, six million guaranteed.
Speaker 1: And would you do that deal for McCoy. That's where
Speaker 1: I'm at. Yeah, I think I am. I think I
Speaker 1: think I'm there on that because I think, to me,
Speaker 1: I'm not paying thirteen, I'm banking on a guy that,
Speaker 1: as you said, Bill is a good locker room guy,
Speaker 1: a good person, and banking on the players around him
Speaker 1: being better. And I think that would help him. He
Speaker 1: could still play the undertackle. We played Tampa late in
Speaker 1: the year. Last year, I didn't think that Gerald McCoy
Speaker 1: was terrible. How do you envision your rotation? Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what my question. You have too, but you got could
Speaker 1: make just a second I was that was my question. Collins,
Speaker 1: Malike Collins, could he play the one? He's done it before,
Speaker 1: he has done it before, he has done it before.
Speaker 1: But but you also went and signed Christian Covington, who
Speaker 1: I think is going to be a good one. Hider
Speaker 1: to me is kind of like, okay hiders, one of
Speaker 1: those guys you signed for not much money, thinking that, Okay,
Speaker 1: if if the competition is not good, maybe he makes
Speaker 1: your team. If the competition is too good, he doesn't
Speaker 1: make the team. But he's like a three. He's a three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he played no senses of three. Yeah. See to me,
Speaker 1: I this is where if you've kind of moved on
Speaker 1: from elite Collins in your mind, because he is he
Speaker 1: doesn't have a kind of tract after next year. If
Speaker 1: you've kind of moved on from him, then maybe maybe
Speaker 1: you make this move. Maybe you say, okay, we'll let
Speaker 1: we'll bring the we'll bring U, we'll bring McCoy in
Speaker 1: with Hill, and we'll have a we'll have a competition
Speaker 1: at that undertackle. And then what are you doing with
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford he's a defensive end. Maybe yeah, because I
Speaker 1: don't have behind Quint's. I think he's ahead of Quinn.
Speaker 1: I think you bring in Quinn off the bench. Crawfords,
Speaker 1: you're starter. Crawfords, you're starter right in, and then you
Speaker 1: use and you rotate Quinn in and you try and
Speaker 1: keep him as fresh as you can during the games
Speaker 1: and let him just rush past as much as his
Speaker 1: team plays Nicol. He'll be on the field sixty five
Speaker 1: percent of the time anyway. And what happens if Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory gets reinstated. Now you have some real competition, now
Speaker 1: you now you have some you Now you look at
Speaker 1: that and you say, all right, well, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: now you make the deal about with Crawford. Maybe you say, okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna move on from Crawford. There's some cap savings
Speaker 1: right there, A million after June first. The other thing
Speaker 1: is to start the year. Are you gonna have Tyron Crawford?
Speaker 1: Do you know for sure you're gonna have him week one? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Who Tyrone Crawford off the field? Oh yeah, that stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, Oh, I don't look at me like
Speaker 1: I'm crazy. No, I didn't know what you were talking about.
Speaker 1: It didn't register. He better not get suspended. I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that, right, But let me ask you
Speaker 1: this though about that. If if you own that restaurant
Speaker 1: or bar, and you had your employees getting accosted in
Speaker 1: that restaurant by somebody in his party, don't you don't
Speaker 1: you as a restaurant owner, don't you want to protect
Speaker 1: your employees. Don't you want to see something happen to
Speaker 1: him for what he did or what somebody in his
Speaker 1: party did. I'm just asking this question. I mean, to me,
Speaker 1: my family was in the restaurant business for eighty years.
Speaker 1: If my dad didn't protect the employees in there, that's wrong.
Speaker 1: I'm by my dad. You know, if something happened in
Speaker 1: that bar or that restaurant where he was involved and
Speaker 1: hit somebody in his party, and he now he's going
Speaker 1: nuts outside of it. You know, he deserves to get
Speaker 1: fully whatever, sixty days in jail, whatever, He deserves that
Speaker 1: in my opinion. But you don't know how it escalated.
Speaker 1: Evidently though, from what we're hearing about the story that
Speaker 1: somebody in his party was involved with a personnel in
Speaker 1: the in the bar, and then it escalated and outside
Speaker 1: the event went outside, and then that's where he went nuts.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, though, I know, I know my situation,
Speaker 1: my family situation. But you didn't have bouncers in your
Speaker 1: family restaurant. No, but my dad's what was Yeah, but
Speaker 1: my dad protected the people that were working with you.
Speaker 1: But you don't know how bouncers, I've seen bouncers in bars,
Speaker 1: how they can react to it. He went nuts trying
Speaker 1: they were trying to that thing, went out into the thing,
Speaker 1: and he went nuts outside. He went nuts outside. That's
Speaker 1: the problem. I'm just like I said, if they find
Speaker 1: him guilty, he should he should serve the full sixty
Speaker 1: days in jail for that. That's just that's my opinion.
Speaker 1: Is it a misdemeanor charge, So I'm just saying, anytime
Speaker 1: there's legal stuff, even when there's not legal stuff involved,
Speaker 1: the NFL can get involved. You just never know. So
Speaker 1: when you're looking at numbers here on the D line,
Speaker 1: it's just something to consider. But they obviously are deep there,
Speaker 1: and they would be much deeper if you add another veteran.
Speaker 1: So it does spend an eight million dollars on a
Speaker 1: position and you've already fortified stop you from doing something
Speaker 1: else within a contract extension for somebody else. Does that
Speaker 1: take away talking about you give a Cooper if we
Speaker 1: were a McCoy, Okay, I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 1: it would. I think what you would have, what you
Speaker 1: would wind up doing. There are other spots on this
Speaker 1: roster where you can trim salary, either by trade or release,
Speaker 1: where you can make up a lot of that eight
Speaker 1: million dollars. Yeah, it's not gonna think we talked about million.
Speaker 1: You need the eight million dollars available by signing Amari
Speaker 1: Cooper to a long term deal, because that'll reduce his
Speaker 1: cap charge for this year it's fourteen million. Sure, if
Speaker 1: you sign until a long term deal, that'll probably save
Speaker 1: seven million. I'm just going on what the cab guys
Speaker 1: are saying that they can absorb. A Mickey's saying a
Speaker 1: five million dollars. That's fine, that's perfect, that's perfect. I
Speaker 1: mean five day you know. But I to me, I
Speaker 1: think it's it's one of those things where if you,
Speaker 1: if you feel like that, you can get a little
Speaker 1: bit better at the position, if you if you've moved
Speaker 1: on in your mind from Elite Collins MALIEK. Collins is
Speaker 1: the foot issue. It seems that he doesn't get the practice,
Speaker 1: but to his credit, he plays. But can you is
Speaker 1: Gerald McCoy better than Malie Collins? That's the question you
Speaker 1: have to ask yourself for this year? He is, and
Speaker 1: for that matter, Malie Collins. I mean, if he were
Speaker 1: to trade him or whatever, you save two million dollars there,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, So I think there's ways to manipulate it.
Speaker 1: It's the question what the biggest question is how how
Speaker 1: does this team feel about McCoy, How how is he?
Speaker 1: How is he playing now? Yeah? And how much of
Speaker 1: an upgrade would it be? And is it worth it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well how much does he want? Because somebody else might
Speaker 1: give him every year you can get you could totally
Speaker 1: get blown out of the water on a deal here, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean when it's keeping it all in perspective that
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Speaker 1: to piggyback onto bills stuff. All right, the offense and
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore, What will the Kellen Moore effect be on
Speaker 1: this Cowboys offense? That's why we're here to watch OTAs there.
Speaker 1: You know, if if in fact it if to me,
Speaker 1: if Kellen Moore, if we go out there and it's
Speaker 1: I don't think it's about formations and all that kind
Speaker 1: of thing or moving people around. I just hope that
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore finds something that they can hang their hat on,
Speaker 1: that he can use and say, Okay, we're going to
Speaker 1: build from this. Will McClay was talking about this, you
Speaker 1: know with Zeke, our identity is running the football. Our
Speaker 1: identity is toughness. If Kellen Moore can take what that
Speaker 1: is is with the toughness aspect of it, and then
Speaker 1: they'll come up with some creative ideas to expand the
Speaker 1: tough maybe not just totally run the football, but if
Speaker 1: he comes up with okay, if they get in maybe
Speaker 1: maybe running the running the ball at eleven personnel, not
Speaker 1: having to change to twelve or thirteen personnel to run
Speaker 1: the ball, so teams matching, stuff like that. He needs
Speaker 1: to come up with some ways of taking that toughness
Speaker 1: that Will McClay, Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones want their
Speaker 1: team to be, and then building around that. But I'm interested.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's about oh look jet sweeps, oh look,
Speaker 1: funny formations, Oh look this net you know, or creativity.
Speaker 1: I think it's about what do what they do well,
Speaker 1: but try and expand on that a little bit further
Speaker 1: down to where your quarterbacks having success your receivers are
Speaker 1: having success, and your tight ends are having success, and
Speaker 1: the offensive line is able to function the way they are.
Speaker 1: The thing he talked about at rookie camp when he
Speaker 1: was interviewed was, to your point, Brian, his philosophy being
Speaker 1: multiple right, and he feels like they've got a lot
Speaker 1: of skill players who have versatility where you can present
Speaker 1: some different looks and still stick to your core principles
Speaker 1: of what you do. And to me, that that kind
Speaker 1: of reminded me of the way the Rams do things.
Speaker 1: Not that you're trying to copycat the Rams, but the
Speaker 1: Rams have a lot of window dressing, but they still
Speaker 1: kind of run what they run after pre snap looks,
Speaker 1: and that's maybe you know, there's more of that, But
Speaker 1: I didn't get the impression from listening to him talking
Speaker 1: to him that you know, he's going to drastically change
Speaker 1: what works for this team. It's it's just trying to
Speaker 1: present things maybe a little bit differently and explore some
Speaker 1: different avenues. And I think I'm sure they feel like
Speaker 1: promoting him to this role, his experience in college and
Speaker 1: being a younger guy, I think introducing some concepts, I
Speaker 1: think that's got to be something they've got to look
Speaker 1: at at least think about Kellen Moore in his NFL career.
Speaker 1: What type offense as a player and now as a
Speaker 1: coach has he been in Lenahans Lenahans? Yeah, so how
Speaker 1: much of a difference is he going to be now?
Speaker 1: Maybe he goes back to college yet ten years ago,
Speaker 1: three game winner in college. One of the most successful
Speaker 1: college quarterbacks, Chris Peterson. If you look at what some
Speaker 1: things that they've done at the University of Washington with
Speaker 1: you know, with uh with Browning there, the quarterback there
Speaker 1: they've had. You know, Washington has had a lot of
Speaker 1: success in the PACTUAL. I think that what if you're
Speaker 1: if you're the great ones? And I remember being with
Speaker 1: John Gruden when he was a very similar age to
Speaker 1: what Kellen Moore and when he was first starting as
Speaker 1: an OC. John Gruden used to steal every day he
Speaker 1: would steal something. You know, his screen packages came from
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings with Darren Nelson and Bob Snelker. You know,
Speaker 1: he always found ways. He looked at what they were
Speaker 1: doing in Miami with Dan Marino and with Clayton and
Speaker 1: Duper and those guys. You know, he was trying to
Speaker 1: figure out even though it goes back to the eighties,
Speaker 1: he was going back and trying to study. His principles
Speaker 1: were from Bill Walsh, you know, he was with you know,
Speaker 1: Mike Holmgren in that group. So I think as a
Speaker 1: smart COORDINATY, you got to find ways to take ideas
Speaker 1: from other people. And again Rob was talking about, well,
Speaker 1: maybe it's the Rams, but no, maybe it's maybe it's
Speaker 1: the Rams, Maybe it's the Seahawks, maybe it's the Maybe
Speaker 1: it's the university, it's Arizona State, maybe it's you know,
Speaker 1: I think you have to find ideas. Like Okay, who
Speaker 1: who you know? Tom Coughlin put me on a project
Speaker 1: when time in Jacksonville. He's like, tell me, tell me
Speaker 1: who that who these coordinators are, Who are the teams
Speaker 1: that are moving the football? Who are the guys? Who
Speaker 1: is my guy? Again? I'm sorry, I'm just brain dead
Speaker 1: when it comes to the guy that was Arkansas. He
Speaker 1: was at the Atlanta Falcons. He quit. Bob Patrino, Okay,
Speaker 1: Bob Patrino in nineteen ninety eight was a young and
Speaker 1: upcoming guy uh in college football ranks. He was at Auburn.
Speaker 1: He was getting a start. People were kind of like,
Speaker 1: whoa this is this guy's moving the ball and then
Speaker 1: see that's what you kind of do, though you look
Speaker 1: for those guys that have various um ways of manipulating
Speaker 1: offense and putting people in. It might be very simplistic,
Speaker 1: it might be very complex. Will be interested to see
Speaker 1: what happens in Arizona with with you know, Texas Texas
Speaker 1: offense in their in their scheme out there with that quarterback.
Speaker 1: But maybe we'll find one day that they're stealing ideas.
Speaker 1: Maybe people were stealing ideals from Cliff Kingsbury when he
Speaker 1: was a Texas tech. Or what's going on with Lincoln
Speaker 1: Riley at Oklahoma. I think that's where Cooper I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that's see me, that's ke Kellen Moore. I
Speaker 1: think that's where we need to see him hit up
Speaker 1: to the work. Let's see what ideas he has on
Speaker 1: his own, but whether ideas that he's been able to
Speaker 1: kind of borrow and try to make his own. You know,
Speaker 1: he strikes me as being such a student of the game.
Speaker 1: He's studied, there's no question, there's no question. And you know,
Speaker 1: even though he's been in Lenihan system, and let's take
Speaker 1: nothing away from Lenihan. I would think should that he
Speaker 1: would be open minded. You have to be about adding things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's there's got to be things that he
Speaker 1: was watching those games and going, god, we gotta do
Speaker 1: this would be different, this, this should be different. I
Speaker 1: think again, adding John Kent and I think will help.
Speaker 1: I think the tight end coaches got you know that
Speaker 1: he was an offensive coordina in college himself, and Garrett
Speaker 1: for that matter. Yeah, to me, this is where this
Speaker 1: is where if Garrett's smart, he lets those three come
Speaker 1: up with some ideas and say, Okay, this is what
Speaker 1: we're gonna be. We're gonna be a physical team, we're
Speaker 1: gonna be a tough team, but we'd need to come
Speaker 1: up with some different ideas of how to move the football. So,
Speaker 1: because they're still going to run the ball, they're still
Speaker 1: gonna How many points a game do they need to
Speaker 1: score for you to say, oh, he put his mark
Speaker 1: on this team. They average twenty two last year, but
Speaker 1: the second half of the season after Marie Cooper got
Speaker 1: here in seven of eight games, they averaged twenty almost
Speaker 1: twenty seven points a game. They need average somewhere between
Speaker 1: twenty five and twenty six points. A game. They still
Speaker 1: had trouble in the red zone, and we can talk
Speaker 1: about scheme. They went seven and one, that's great. They
Speaker 1: went seven and two after Marie got here, I said
Speaker 1: seven and won the last eight game? Okay, cool, they
Speaker 1: what does it matter? God, why did you correct me
Speaker 1: at seven to two? I in the last eight games.
Speaker 1: We can talk about the scheme, and we can talk
Speaker 1: about changing drastically things, and Brian's right, they ideas, that's
Speaker 1: what they want here. But simple execution too helps a lot,
Speaker 1: would have helped, and I think personnel is going to
Speaker 1: help too if they had just converted some of those
Speaker 1: red zone opportunities. You get Travis Frederick back to help
Speaker 1: your red zone offense, get Jason Witten in there. I
Speaker 1: think that can help Kellen Moore just as much as
Speaker 1: scheme or coming up with drastically new ideas. Because they
Speaker 1: moved the ball pretty well. Trying to make your point, Mickey,
Speaker 1: make it so hard for me to agree with you
Speaker 1: on anything, But they need to execute better too. It's
Speaker 1: it's nist off. In six of the last eight games
Speaker 1: they scored at least twenty two points, and they the
Speaker 1: one clunker they threw in the last whole game was
Speaker 1: the Colts. They got shut out. Without that shutout, they
Speaker 1: averaged nearly twenty seven points. Again they do it again
Speaker 1: eight but it just could have been so much better.
Speaker 1: They went I think they went one for five in
Speaker 1: the red zone against the Saints, and it took a
Speaker 1: historic defensive performance to beat that team. You know, there's
Speaker 1: they had opportunities. You know, Superzila was so bad down
Speaker 1: in the red zone that time your back and watch that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the Saints scored with their great offense. Ten there
Speaker 1: we go. Yeah, got stopped a fourth and one. That
Speaker 1: was a great goal line. Stand why why it doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be a comparison between the Saints and the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: They're trying to I understand you just trying to argue
Speaker 1: with all you know, they did score twenty two in
Speaker 1: the playoff game. They didn't have to give up thirty.
Speaker 1: Can I change the subject and two hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: three year Jack Black No, I would like danswer your
Speaker 1: question and we'll move on. I would like for Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore to have this offense at the level of the Rams,
Speaker 1: which was thirty three points a game. Okay, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: they got the Super Bowl. There you go, that's right.
Speaker 1: I mean, they scored the Super Bowl. Who's not enough?
Speaker 1: Who's the best running back in the National Football League? Oh?
Speaker 1: There's a tournament going on television? Right? Oh? Is there
Speaker 1: the NFL network? All I know is one guy's won
Speaker 1: the rushing title two of the last three years and
Speaker 1: he probably would have wanted a third year if you
Speaker 1: got suspended. On CBS eleven on Sunday night, an interview
Speaker 1: was conducted with Zeke Elliott and he was asked by
Speaker 1: Keith Russell about that he believed Do you believe you're
Speaker 1: the best running back in the league? Answer was absolutely yes, yes,
Speaker 1: And then the names of Todd Gurley and and sae
Speaker 1: Quon Barkley were brought up, and I'd loved Zeke's response.
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly how the Keith posed the question,
Speaker 1: but he mentioned Gurley, he mentioned Barkley, and it was like,
Speaker 1: and you still believe you're the best? Yes? Basically what
Speaker 1: he said. I laughed out loudly. It was a one
Speaker 1: word answers trying to get paid. And then I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't people consider Zeke to be up there? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, but you mentioned Leon belly On Bella, of course,
Speaker 1: was not a part of this last year. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's just unbelievable to me that Leveon Bellist not
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh. That that that whole thing I mean, And
Speaker 1: you know, and we'll see what the career path of
Speaker 1: Levion Bill is with the Jets. We'll see how that
Speaker 1: works out. New coaching staff, potentially new general manager and
Speaker 1: all that. But you know, to me, when you start
Speaker 1: talking about complete backs, Girlie bell Elliott, those are the
Speaker 1: names I you know, fought what seventy passes? Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's the thing. I don't know if people think of
Speaker 1: Zeke and think of like true versatility. I think they
Speaker 1: see him running over people and hurdling people and the
Speaker 1: feed me gesture. But the guy on seventy seven passes
Speaker 1: last year, you know, really can do. It's like the
Speaker 1: argument that was posed when Emmett was winning. All right,
Speaker 1: rushing time, funny you should mention Sanders is the best.
Speaker 1: Funny you should mention Emmett Smith first three years in
Speaker 1: the league. Who has more rushing? Who had more rushing yards?
Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott or Emmett Smith. Zeke, Emmett had more rushing
Speaker 1: yards four thousand, two hundred and thirteen to fourth and
Speaker 1: forty eight. He played eight more games than so. Zeke
Speaker 1: had more rushing year. Okay, how Emmett had forty one
Speaker 1: touchdown Zeke twenty eight. You're big on touchdowns, yes, right,
Speaker 1: all right? How about receiving receptions? Zeke had one thirty five,
Speaker 1: Emmet had one thirty two. Emmett had eight hundred twenty
Speaker 1: one yards receiving Zeke eleven hundred ninety nine. Some long screens, yep.
Speaker 1: So total yards total yards five thousand, two hundred forty
Speaker 1: seven for Zeke on one thousand and three touches five
Speaker 1: thousand and thirty four for Emmett on eleven hundred eleven touches.
Speaker 1: So Zeke total yards from scrimmage has two hundred thirteen
Speaker 1: more yards than what Emmet had in his first three
Speaker 1: years in the league. And Emmett played eight more games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's good. He is good. Well, there's a reason, I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't spend there's a lot of people that were
Speaker 1: very critical of them for using the fourth overall pick
Speaker 1: on a running back, And that's your numbers support why
Speaker 1: and you've won games. And again the offense is geared
Speaker 1: around him, and I you know, when you start talking
Speaker 1: about the best at play him, Girley, I'll be interested
Speaker 1: to see Barkley. To me, Barkley to me has a
Speaker 1: chance to be better than any of them. But I
Speaker 1: worry about Barkley for two reasons. They haven't fixed the
Speaker 1: offensive line situation and their quarterback play is poor. And
Speaker 1: you know, and that's maybe the one thing that will
Speaker 1: kill Barkley if we think about the great running backs
Speaker 1: that have ever played and the positions they've been in.
Speaker 1: Walter Payton played behind a very poor Chicago Beard team
Speaker 1: until nineteen eighty five, until Mike Dickett came along. They
Speaker 1: were very poor. You look at Barry Sanders, very poor
Speaker 1: detroit lyon teams that he had to endure with Wayne
Speaker 1: Fonts and you know, a couple of playoff games here
Speaker 1: and there, but overall bad teams you worry about you
Speaker 1: You will never you feel like about you know, I
Speaker 1: think that maybe the same thing might the best years
Speaker 1: of Saquon Barkley might be wasted because of the Giants
Speaker 1: and ability to have a consistent personnel. Yeahn't that. We'll
Speaker 1: see they drafted a quarterback. We'll see what the offensive line,
Speaker 1: you know, but they don't have any wide receivers, don't
Speaker 1: everything to help him at all. Well, we're out of time,
Speaker 1: but I will say this, when defensive coordinators scheme against
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, who's the guy that they have to be
Speaker 1: most concerned with? Jason Wittenaco. See you next week. Enjoy
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