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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's talking Cowboys

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Speaker 1: training live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,

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Speaker 1: and Bill Jones, and welcome to the two thousand nineteen

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Speaker 1: season of Dallas Cowboys football, which commences right now with

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Speaker 1: the start of OTAs here at the Star in Frisco.

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Speaker 1: Are you excited, Mickey Spagnola, You have a smile on

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Speaker 1: your face. You're making this the official shot it is

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Speaker 1: season because this is the first time, this is the

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Speaker 1: first time the entire team has been on the field

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Speaker 1: together at Ford Center at the Star in Frisco. It's

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Speaker 1: happening right now right more or less, more or less,

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Speaker 1: we've established the fact the rookies haven't gathered with the veterans,

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Speaker 1: and so now you've got the entire team together for

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Speaker 1: the first time here on May twenty first, Can I

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Speaker 1: wait two thousand ninete, Can I wait till Tank Lawrence

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Speaker 1: is back on the field before I say this is

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Speaker 1: the official start of the season. Can I just get

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Speaker 1: ninety back and then we say that I'm gonna wait

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Speaker 1: till September. How about that. That's I'm so dramatic though, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was so dramatic like that, Bill, you must be

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Speaker 1: in the TV business. It's way overly dramatic. But okay,

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Speaker 1: we'll go. I get it, though, man, I get it.

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Speaker 1: Sell it. The helmets are on, the helmets are on,

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Speaker 1: they're doing stuff. But yeah, what do voluntary mean? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it is volunt Wait wait, wait until tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Minicamp next month will be the official start. Okay, wait

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Speaker 1: a minute. What do you got on? But that watch?

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Speaker 1: I can't see? Yeah, but look at it. What's wrong

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Speaker 1: with it? It's awesome, it's what it is. Yeah, it's gold,

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Speaker 1: it's baller. There it is. I can't see. That's my problem.

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Speaker 1: Was that a bull gift? No, it's just so you

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Speaker 1: played before there were such things. Yeah, I wish I

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Speaker 1: miss I missed the bull watch I got. I've got

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Speaker 1: all my bull watches though, but they're all too small. No,

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Speaker 1: I can't see anymore, Mick. That's my problem. That has

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Speaker 1: to be big enough for me to see. Can you

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Speaker 1: see what time it is? There about? It's time for

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Speaker 1: the start of a cowboy season? There we go. I'm sorry, Mick,

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Speaker 1: I just that site couldn't see I just saw it.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Thanks all that big white band. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I need a summer watch. Goes my summer watch. It

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Speaker 1: goes well, a super Bowl ring you guys, solid gold, No,

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Speaker 1: not that solid gold, Mickey. It's just it's kind of

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Speaker 1: a gift to myself. So and leave it to Mickey

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Speaker 1: to derail the Cowboys season as soon as we get

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Speaker 1: to start it. Yeah, that's okay, I appreciate. We're fine

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Speaker 1: by eleven old four. It's derailed by mixing the dramatic

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Speaker 1: opening you had derailed the scene. Everybody was ready to

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Speaker 1: go until you get a big voice guy on some

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Speaker 1: distractable player. Exactly, Yes, you are speaking of that guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, So you know they are indoors. Fords are

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Speaker 1: all the practice is going to be indoors because their

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Speaker 1: instruction going on outdoors. There is one field available, but

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Speaker 1: they're not gonna use it. They're not gonna use They're

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Speaker 1: gonna play indoors till we get to From what I

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Speaker 1: heard and talking to Chris the field man, he says

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Speaker 1: he will not have this ready until training camp, until

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Speaker 1: after we get back from training camp. The other field

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Speaker 1: will not be ready, so they'll do everything inside for

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Speaker 1: the next month or so. Yeah, they didn't have any choice.

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Speaker 1: Today it's raining. Yeah, it is raining today and so

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Speaker 1: uh and Mickey give us an update on the construction

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Speaker 1: going on out there exactly. There's gonna be a big announcement,

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Speaker 1: I believe tomorrow afternoon, the third construction of the Doctor

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Speaker 1: Pepper building that will take up the players parking lot.

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Speaker 1: But that's the most involved process I've ever seen to

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Speaker 1: put down another grass field. He's been out there surveying things. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he's very in tune with so much stuff. What are

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Speaker 1: they doing. They're building a building, that's what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: But there's going to be a grass field there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but they had to make they had to make a

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Speaker 1: for the fire. Why are we talking about that? God?

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Speaker 1: And when our rating sucks sometimes cover your watch what

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Speaker 1: they're building up. Some cowboys. That cowboy. This is cowboys.

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Speaker 1: They built a cement wall in the ground. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: Mickey down, everybody gets to see what you and I

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Speaker 1: So they have to build the fire lane first that

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Speaker 1: He's six minutes in fifty four minutes of construction topic.

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Speaker 1: People want us to pull the crew. And there is

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Speaker 1: one thing that we all Cowboys fans and everyone in

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Speaker 1: this building praying for that what happens during OTAs here

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Speaker 1: is not the same thing that happened yesterday in Washington,

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Speaker 1: and that would be a player, a key player going

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Speaker 1: down with an injury ring first snap. They've had that happen.

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Speaker 1: Remember Sean Lee yep, and was five years ago to fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Zach Martin. Yeah, that's that's that's the biggest fear that

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Speaker 1: you have of And when you when you get on

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Speaker 1: the field, you're all excited to see the rookies and

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Speaker 1: the veterans, and Mickey has talked about this before. How

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Speaker 1: do these rookie's practice? How do they learn to practice?

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Speaker 1: The veteran guys know tempo, They understand how to work

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Speaker 1: with each other. You know, are you going to have

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Speaker 1: a rookie that's a little uh conxuberant, trying to make

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Speaker 1: a rambunctious whatever word you want to use that I

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Speaker 1: to worry about guys planting, turning, I mean injuries part

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Speaker 1: of this game, but you don't want it during an

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Speaker 1: OTA where something you know, I mean the other day

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Speaker 1: to get an MRI. Everything indications everything's back, he's back

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Speaker 1: to practice and stuff like that. But you just don't

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Speaker 1: want anything to derail your start of your season as

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Speaker 1: you go to camp. And you mentioned Zach Martin and

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Speaker 1: was a great block on Yeah, he eliminated uh Sean Lee,

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Speaker 1: but Sean was trying to plant redirect and knee gave

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Speaker 1: that's a freak thing. But that's another reason. And why

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Speaker 1: if these guys have a little something, you're not going

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Speaker 1: to see him out here. And I know Tank and

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Speaker 1: Byron Jones wouldn't be ready for this anyway. But you're

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Speaker 1: to see him try to push to get back in

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Speaker 1: training camp. You know they're gonna bubble wrap guys this time.

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Speaker 1: You gotta have your key guys healthy and so um.

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Speaker 1: It's probably why you're not going to see everybody out

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Speaker 1: in the rookies ahead of time for right and and

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Speaker 1: there were other reasons why they brought him in early,

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Speaker 1: but one of the reasons were to get the rookies

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Speaker 1: exuberance out of them for a week. Entire veterans got there.

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Speaker 1: They don't come in and ruin Tony Dorset or I

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Speaker 1: think as happened in nineteen eighty nine, they had signed

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Speaker 1: a rookie running or a free agent running back. No,

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Speaker 1: it was ninety because it was stands some stands Pagala

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Speaker 1: veteran running back on the first practice and tore his

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Speaker 1: knee up. It was touched down somebody from Nebraska. I

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Speaker 1: can't remember the guys, Tommy Vardell, No, no, it wasn't

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Speaker 1: stand for from Stanford, but anyway, it was. That was

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Speaker 1: an example of you have contact right away and there

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Speaker 1: this guy's gonna make a big tackle on the sideline.

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Speaker 1: He takes out your ring back. He's just spent free

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Speaker 1: agent money on well. And speaking of that, they're an

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Speaker 1: free agent tight end signing. Tyler Kroft goes down with

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Speaker 1: a I believe it was a fractured foot, and he's

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Speaker 1: lost for four months at least. It looks like they

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Speaker 1: just spent eighteen million dollars over the next three years

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Speaker 1: for him. Bill, Why why are you making me worried

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden about Jones over here? Don't worry.

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Speaker 1: The trainers are already worried. Yeah, this is not their breath.

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Speaker 1: This is not a fun time in Yere. Again, this

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Speaker 1: do on the field anyway, so this is valuable time.

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Speaker 1: Before you get the training camp, whether you're in pads

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Speaker 1: mean to me, this is when when you go out

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Speaker 1: to the OTA field to watch practice on tomorrow, just

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Speaker 1: take a take a peek of where they're playing guys in. Again,

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Speaker 1: if they're moving guys in multiple positions, if they if

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Speaker 1: a little indication that they feel like, Okay, this kid,

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Speaker 1: Will McClay was on and he was talking about some

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Speaker 1: of Nate asked a question about some flexibility with him,

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Speaker 1: his ability to play at the slot. Will's like, yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: they think about these guys and how we're going to

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Speaker 1: see him used at training camp. That's a great point

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Speaker 1: because if they if they like a guy, they'll try

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Speaker 1: him at different spots. Right and just in case, you know,

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Speaker 1: can this guy do it right? And that's it's a

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Speaker 1: test for a guy that they have some some faith

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Speaker 1: because because I mean they're they're lining up offensive defense,

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Speaker 1: but they're not in pads. It's hard to judge what

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Speaker 1: the offensive defensive linemen are doing. Like johad Ward last

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Speaker 1: year looked great and he's out. He Rod Marinelli kept telling,

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Speaker 1: But Rod Marinelli kept telling us, I really like him.

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Speaker 1: We got to see what the pad's on. He did

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Speaker 1: and it was a different story. But like me out

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Speaker 1: guys in the in the defensive backs more so, I think,

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Speaker 1: many guys they'll have very limited in these workouts, there's

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Speaker 1: current Dallas Cowboys players and the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders. Don't

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Speaker 1: miss your chance to register for spring and summer youth

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Speaker 1: camps at the Star at AT and T Stadium. Register

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Speaker 1: today at Dallas Cowboys dot com slash academy. Mickey, are

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Speaker 1: you involved in the cheerleading judging the tryouts this year?

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Speaker 1: I did Saturday and Sunday. I was actual happy in

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Speaker 1: the picture. What happened there? It was good. No smile,

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Speaker 1: no smile from me in the back of the row.

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Speaker 1: The picture. You weren't smiling. He weren't. He wasn't. He

434
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Speaker 1: was way off camera and it was like this. Someone said, okay,

435
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Speaker 1: get together for a picture. Mickey's like, why, I was

436
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Speaker 1: trading on what I needed to do to make sure

437
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Speaker 1: somebody didn't fall through the cracks that should No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: it was the team picture of the judges. Oh, the

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Speaker 1: team picture of the judges. Yeah yeah, yeah. He looked

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Speaker 1: like you really ticked off. I was on the edge.

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Speaker 1: I think so were the picture and still looked ticked off.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't ticked off. It was it was. It was

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Speaker 1: a good weekend. Of course he wouldn't tick especially on

444
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Speaker 1: Saturday because it rained all day and we were indoors, right,

445
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Speaker 1: and this was the first round, first round, semi finals,

446
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Speaker 1: semi final. A week from this weekend is the finals.

447
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Speaker 1: They bring back the veterans and the new bees. Have

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Speaker 1: to like, Okay, you look good with going up against

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Speaker 1: all the the the you knew the new much more

450
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Speaker 1: time on the TV show. If I say something stupid, yeah, okay,

451
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Speaker 1: you try to say something stupid. I don't do it

452
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 1: on purpose. I'd like it just it just happens, yes, okay.

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Speaker 1: Gerald McCoy officially released by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Here's a sixth a six time pro bowler whose production

455
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Speaker 1: has not really fallen off the last few years, thirty

456
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Speaker 1: one years old, who was the third pick in the

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Speaker 1: draft in two ten. What do you think the market

458
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: will be like for him out there? I think it'll

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Speaker 1: greatly improve now that the twenty nineteen base salary is

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Speaker 1: not thirteen million dollars. And I think that kind of

461
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Speaker 1: being released ruined the trade value for Tampa Bay because

462
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Speaker 1: his base salary was going to be thirteen million dollars.

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Speaker 1: We're also passed losing losing the compensatory pick, right, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't count against Yeah, that helps. Well, he

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Speaker 1: would be as a release player. He can't be, yep,

466
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Speaker 1: a factor anyway. Right. But so you got and Sue

467
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Speaker 1: was the second pick of the draft that year. So

468
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Speaker 1: and both out there on the street right now, So

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Speaker 1: how long will this process play out? You think that

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Speaker 1: will because one looking at the other, Okay, if he's

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Speaker 1: getting wants to play football, okay, or go to training camp.

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Speaker 1: Training camp is a big problem for him, or or

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Speaker 1: as soon as the Reuben Foster of the defensive tackles. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's what I was about to say. I think it

475
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Speaker 1: might behoove Gerald McCoy to wait and see unless someone

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Speaker 1: jumps at him with an offer, which I doubt they will.

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Speaker 1: Right now, he's talking about playoff teams and stuff. That's funny.

478
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Speaker 1: He mentioned Cleveland as a playoff team. Yeah, so everybody's

479
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Speaker 1: mentioning Cleveland now is the destination of let's go and

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Speaker 1: be a part of that. Like the prohibitive favorite to

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Speaker 1: win the North in the AFC. That's shock. How much

482
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Speaker 1: do you guys know about Cleveland's roster? Do you guys

483
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Speaker 1: know very much? They're loaded with young talent, They're okay,

484
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Speaker 1: I know, I know that the NFL did a study

485
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Speaker 1: or had a story about that the Cowboys had the

486
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Speaker 1: sixth best roster. I think, yeah, the Los Angeles Chargers

487
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Speaker 1: were number one. I think that Cleveland was ranked two

488
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Speaker 1: or three? Am I right about that? Did you should

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Speaker 1: they go into details on why they're ranked just because

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Speaker 1: overall roster names overall roster. That's what they said, from

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Speaker 1: top to bottom, you know, the over overall roster. They

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Speaker 1: mentioned about the Cowboys and the fact that the additions

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Speaker 1: with with Cobb and Witton, those guys might not be

494
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Speaker 1: what they once were, but it should help, you know.

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Speaker 1: But they were talking about the All pros and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that. So yeah, I mean Cleveland's roster. They they

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Speaker 1: I'm they're running a four three with Steve Wilkes is

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Speaker 1: their defensive coordinator. That's true, that's true. They win last

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Speaker 1: year seven seven, I'm just drying figure year. Yeah, I

500
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Speaker 1: just asked, well, how many did they win last year?

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm expecting you to be so casting about this.

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Speaker 1: I guess sorry about that. He just immediately just jumped

503
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Speaker 1: on that, didn't you You weren't you knew that was coming? Right, Yeah,

504
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: you knew that pitch was coming. You're waiting on it.

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Speaker 1: You turned on it. I did they Cleveland? See? Sometimes

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Speaker 1: I wonder interest from Cleveland for this player or not?

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Speaker 1: Well doesn't doesn't the player? The player throws his names

508
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Speaker 1: if they throw it out. Yeah, so it wasn't somebody

509
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Speaker 1: in Cleveland lobbying for him already like somebody? So again

510
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Speaker 1: my question is there really legitimate interest from Cleveland or not?

511
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Speaker 1: Cleveland is paying Sheldon? They signed Sheldon Richardson three years,

512
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Speaker 1: thirty six million dollars. Sure, what position to Sheldon Richardson play?

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Speaker 1: So I'm saying, like how much I watched the Jets.

514
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Speaker 1: He's saying position? Yeah, right, exactly. See, I need to

515
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Speaker 1: know if Richardson would play the one or would he

516
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Speaker 1: play the three? See that's what I think. I don't see.

517
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Speaker 1: I didn't see much of Jets tape. So that's why

518
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: I was when anytime it's an AFC question, I feel

519
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Speaker 1: like an idiot because I need to focus in on

520
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Speaker 1: not so much. See you what's going on? In Washington,

521
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: New York, Philly and stepped around a little bit. Now,

522
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Speaker 1: so he was with the Seahawks and then the Vikings

523
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Speaker 1: and and so they've got Ojanobi also, right, and so

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Speaker 1: the Virgin since at twelve million a year there, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I'm sure McCoy feels like he should be in

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Speaker 1: that ballpark. Well, everybody's going to mention Cleveland because they

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Speaker 1: think they have a better roster, so that others will

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Speaker 1: mention the Patriots because the Patriots are the Patriots. They

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Speaker 1: pick off players like this, and they'll mention the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: because of where he's from and this Oklaoma city, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: not far from you know, from here. So so would

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Speaker 1: you bring it to the Cowboys? Should there be interest

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Speaker 1: from the Cowboys in this player? They will tell you no.

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Speaker 1: They will tell you no because they feel like that

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Speaker 1: they want to see what they have. They're they're going

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Speaker 1: to try and go with the young players first. Just

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Speaker 1: spend a high draft pick. They're gonna they're gonna give

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Speaker 1: They're gonna give this kid a chance. He'll to compete

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Speaker 1: with Malie Collins and see if he can play the

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Speaker 1: three and the undertie. What be good? So what does

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Speaker 1: what do the cowboys tell Gerald McCoy's agent when he

542
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Speaker 1: calls and ask if there's hey, thanks best to luck,

543
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Speaker 1: Please don't go to Philly or one of those places.

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Speaker 1: They say, we can give you. We're full, they can

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Speaker 1: do it. No room, no, no, I've talked to something happened.

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Speaker 1: Then I've talked to the cap guys. They can do

547
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Speaker 1: a deal. They can do we can give you a

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Speaker 1: one year deal for four or five million. Yeah, you

549
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: know that's interested. But see that's what that's what they've

550
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Speaker 1: done with Cobb, and you know that's what they've done

551
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: with these guys. It's flexibility. Next year gives him. It

552
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Speaker 1: gives the guy a chance to cash in next year.

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Speaker 1: He's obviously going to be signing late. There's not as

554
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Speaker 1: much old. He always wanted to be a cowboy, and

555
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Speaker 1: he would he would bite at that deal. You would

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Speaker 1: do that? Well, yeah, five or six millions, I think, yeah,

557
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: you would. One year, Yeah, absolutely, you would, absolutely you would.

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Speaker 1: But see that's the thing about it is if if

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Speaker 1: it turns into Okay, we're gonna try and do this

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Speaker 1: for is this twelve thirteen for one? No it's not,

561
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Speaker 1: you know, but who is it said that's that. We're

562
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Speaker 1: past that, right, We're past the thirteen million dollars. I

563
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: think Mickey just said it. We're past thirteen million dollars.

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Speaker 1: As far as not getting that, I mean, if he

565
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Speaker 1: if he they trust me, they said they can do

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Speaker 1: a one year deal if they have to. And remember

567
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: last year he only had six sacks and he didn't

568
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Speaker 1: have any sacks in the last six games of the

569
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Speaker 1: season twenty one quarterback pressures against the Cowboys when they played,

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Speaker 1: he had one tackle. So let's not think this is

571
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Speaker 1: six times seven time Pro Bowler Gerald mcquoi. Still, he's

572
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Speaker 1: still been pretty productive. Six sacks, Yeah, it's been what's

573
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Speaker 1: what's what he's averaged most of his career? Right? How many?

574
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Speaker 1: How many did you look at? How many did Jason

575
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Speaker 1: Pierre Paul had. Last six games last year, he had

576
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Speaker 1: six sat he didn't have any sacks and ten tackles.

577
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Speaker 1: And that was Tampa Bay. They needed him on the field.

578
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: The sack leader on their team was Jason Pierre Paul.

579
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Speaker 1: That was their guy who was there. Still is a

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Speaker 1: I would like to have the guy myself, Yeah, I would.

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Speaker 1: I get I get with Mickey saying here, and he's

582
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: not wrong. But the year before Jerald McCoy had six sacks.

583
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Speaker 1: The year before that he had seven sacks, the year

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Speaker 1: before that eight and a half. I mean, he's that's

585
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: kind of where he's at. Yeah, most, you know, most

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Speaker 1: years he had. According to Pro Football Reference, he had

587
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Speaker 1: twenty one quarterback hits. Last year he had twenty four.

588
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: The year before he had fourteen, the year before that,

589
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Speaker 1: seventeen the year before that. Tackles lass he had six

590
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Speaker 1: last year, thirteen, the year before five, the year before that, eight,

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Speaker 1: the year before that. So, I mean, he's give me

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Speaker 1: the number of game pensive line, give me the number

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Speaker 1: of games he's played. He has he been? Is he

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Speaker 1: a sixteen sixteen? He started in play fourteen games last year? Okay,

595
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Speaker 1: fifteen fifteen, fifteen thirteen, sixteen sixteen. My note here says

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Speaker 1: he played seven hundred and thirty two snaps, so right

597
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: at seventy percent of the snaps and he missed two games. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, guys, I'm just on a one year deal,

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Speaker 1: you know, I would take it's it's it's it's kind

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Speaker 1: of like, let me ask you this though, Mickey. I'm

601
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Speaker 1: just not trying to push in a spot but would

602
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Speaker 1: you have done the same thing for Cobb? And I

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Speaker 1: mean when when Cobb, before they signed Cobb, would would

604
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Speaker 1: you have felt like that would have been money will spent. Yes,

605
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Speaker 1: Rendall cop Yes, even before he means all you knew.

606
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: The only the only downside on Cobb is last year

607
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: he had a hamstring injury. Right His production before that

608
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: was high. His production the year before was high until

609
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers got hurt. When when our Aaron Rodgers went down,

610
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: his numbers went down because he was playing with a

611
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback who weren't ready to play. There's one difference

612
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: there though. When they signed Cobb, they had a clear

613
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: hole there without Beasley, but it was still a one

614
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Speaker 1: year deal. I get it. So my point was one year,

615
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Speaker 1: four or five. You know, I'm okay with that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And so let me ask you this, but I'm not

617
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Speaker 1: until a long term Let's say the Buccaneers had released

618
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Speaker 1: McCoy before the draft, okay, when the Cowboys had a

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Speaker 1: clear hold of that position. That's what I'm saying. Different

620
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: story now, But you did just spend a second round

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Speaker 1: pick on a guy that you really like and see

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Speaker 1: might Triston Hill. Yeah, Okay, he's twenty years old. Yeah, okay, one,

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Speaker 1: if he's twenty one, he just turned twenty one, right,

624
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: Rod Marinelli was with him one's birthday, right, yeah's right,

625
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: that's right, okay, okay. And I'm looking at a player

626
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: like that coming into the year. He's not the it's

627
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Speaker 1: going to be very difficult for that player to take

628
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Speaker 1: on the full load of an NFL season right off

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Speaker 1: the bat. Well, he can be a very very productive

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Speaker 1: player in a rotation, and it might be great for

631
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Speaker 1: Gerald McCoy's career to be more in a rotation as well.

632
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Speaker 1: Better players are on him, I think would help. The

633
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Speaker 1: other part of Jerald McCoy is he is a tremendous

634
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Speaker 1: person and he's a tremendous leader, and he would be

635
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: a great mentor to that young defensive tackle you just drafted. See.

636
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: I was just trying to think about and I appreciate

637
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 1: the way Mickey answered the question, but I'm always wondering

638
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: about this. You know, if if production, you know, was

639
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: Cobb really the most productive, was he really the most healthy?

640
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: You know, if we're not willing to do that, if

641
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: we weren't willing to do Cobb, then we why are

642
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: we willing to do this one you know, why are

643
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: we willing to you know, but if again, if it's

644
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: a one year deal and it's you know, I don't

645
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: think you're going to get him for five million dollars.

646
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just don't think that's going to happen.

647
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: But if we're willing to do it, were willing to

648
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: do it for eight million dollars, were willing to do

649
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: it for that? I mean, if you think you were

650
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: going to get Cobb for five million dollars on one

651
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: year deal, I just thought I thought worse of Cobb

652
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: than you did, Mickey, all right, I thought worse. That's

653
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: that's just me. I thought I thought there was more

654
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: were there and you and you factored in about the

655
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: stuff with Rogers not being available. You know, I definitely

656
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: definitely hurt the guy, But I I was I would

657
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 1: be more likely not to sign Cop than I would McCoy.

658
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: Does that make sense, you know, just on just what

659
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: I know, just what I know about you know the

660
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: number of games, and you know, I think that Tampa's

661
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: situation for a while there, their quarterback situation has been bad.

662
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: They went out and they signed Jason Pierre Paul he

663
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: was their leading socker. I think there's a lot of

664
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: issues there with Tampa. I think that's an organization that

665
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: sometimes players go to die. And if you wanted him,

666
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: you probably could have traded a sixth round pick and

667
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: got him. You didn't want that. You don't tell them

668
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: we're restructuring that that contract, you're not getting that salary.

669
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: Likes point. You know you traded for Robert Quinn, a

670
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: guy that's proven that can step in, and you know that,

671
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: you know he's gonna help you this year. That's where

672
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm how much difference between the two guys. Yeah, See,

673
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: that's where I need to figure out because I watch

674
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: ages about the same, about the same, and they're both

675
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: limited on the sacks. One has his contract, one has six.

676
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at Robert Quinn's numbers, it's

677
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: very similar. Quinn's deal's one year, it might be twenty nine. Yeah,

678
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: So Quinn's deal's one year, eight million, okay, six million guaranteed.

679
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: And would you do that deal for McCoy. That's where

680
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm at. Yeah, I think I am. I think I

681
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 1: think I'm there on that because I think, to me,

682
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm not paying thirteen, I'm banking on a guy that,

683
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: as you said, Bill is a good locker room guy,

684
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: a good person, and banking on the players around him

685
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: being better. And I think that would help him. He

686
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: could still play the undertackle. We played Tampa late in

687
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: the year. Last year, I didn't think that Gerald McCoy

688
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: was terrible. How do you envision your rotation? Yeah, that's

689
00:36:53,400 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: what my question. You have too, but you got could

690
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: make just a second I was that was my question. Collins,

691
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: Malike Collins, could he play the one? He's done it before,

692
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: he has done it before, he has done it before.

693
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: But but you also went and signed Christian Covington, who

694
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: I think is going to be a good one. Hider

695
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: to me is kind of like, okay hiders, one of

696
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: those guys you signed for not much money, thinking that, Okay,

697
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: if if the competition is not good, maybe he makes

698
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: your team. If the competition is too good, he doesn't

699
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: make the team. But he's like a three. He's a three. Yeah,

700
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: he played no senses of three. Yeah. See to me,

701
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: I this is where if you've kind of moved on

702
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: from elite Collins in your mind, because he is he

703
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: doesn't have a kind of tract after next year. If

704
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: you've kind of moved on from him, then maybe maybe

705
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: you make this move. Maybe you say, okay, we'll let

706
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: we'll bring the we'll bring U, we'll bring McCoy in

707
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: with Hill, and we'll have a we'll have a competition

708
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: at that undertackle. And then what are you doing with

709
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford he's a defensive end. Maybe yeah, because I

710
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: don't have behind Quint's. I think he's ahead of Quinn.

711
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: I think you bring in Quinn off the bench. Crawfords,

712
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: you're starter. Crawfords, you're starter right in, and then you

713
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: use and you rotate Quinn in and you try and

714
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: keep him as fresh as you can during the games

715
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: and let him just rush past as much as his

716
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: team plays Nicol. He'll be on the field sixty five

717
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,959
Speaker 1: percent of the time anyway. And what happens if Randy

718
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: Gregory gets reinstated. Now you have some real competition, now

719
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: you now you have some you Now you look at

720
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: that and you say, all right, well, you know, maybe

721
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: now you make the deal about with Crawford. Maybe you say, okay,

722
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna move on from Crawford. There's some cap savings

723
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: right there, A million after June first. The other thing

724
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: is to start the year. Are you gonna have Tyron Crawford?

725
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: Do you know for sure you're gonna have him week one? Yeah?

726
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 1: Who Tyrone Crawford off the field? Oh yeah, that stuff.

727
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, Oh, I don't look at me like

728
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: I'm crazy. No, I didn't know what you were talking about.

729
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: It didn't register. He better not get suspended. I'm just saying.

730
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that, right, But let me ask you

731
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 1: this though about that. If if you own that restaurant

732
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: or bar, and you had your employees getting accosted in

733
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: that restaurant by somebody in his party, don't you don't

734
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: you as a restaurant owner, don't you want to protect

735
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: your employees. Don't you want to see something happen to

736
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: him for what he did or what somebody in his

737
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: party did. I'm just asking this question. I mean, to me,

738
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: my family was in the restaurant business for eighty years.

739
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: If my dad didn't protect the employees in there, that's wrong.

740
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: I'm by my dad. You know, if something happened in

741
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: that bar or that restaurant where he was involved and

742
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: hit somebody in his party, and he now he's going

743
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: nuts outside of it. You know, he deserves to get

744
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: fully whatever, sixty days in jail, whatever, He deserves that

745
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: in my opinion. But you don't know how it escalated.

746
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: Evidently though, from what we're hearing about the story that

747
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: somebody in his party was involved with a personnel in

748
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: the in the bar, and then it escalated and outside

749
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: the event went outside, and then that's where he went nuts.

750
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, though, I know, I know my situation,

751
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: my family situation. But you didn't have bouncers in your

752
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: family restaurant. No, but my dad's what was Yeah, but

753
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: my dad protected the people that were working with you.

754
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: But you don't know how bouncers, I've seen bouncers in bars,

755
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: how they can react to it. He went nuts trying

756
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: they were trying to that thing, went out into the thing,

757
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: and he went nuts outside. He went nuts outside. That's

758
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 1: the problem. I'm just like I said, if they find

759
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: him guilty, he should he should serve the full sixty

760
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: days in jail for that. That's just that's my opinion.

761
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: Is it a misdemeanor charge, So I'm just saying, anytime

762
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: there's legal stuff, even when there's not legal stuff involved,

763
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: the NFL can get involved. You just never know. So

764
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: when you're looking at numbers here on the D line,

765
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: it's just something to consider. But they obviously are deep there,

766
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: and they would be much deeper if you add another veteran.

767
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: So it does spend an eight million dollars on a

768
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: position and you've already fortified stop you from doing something

769
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: else within a contract extension for somebody else. Does that

770
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: take away talking about you give a Cooper if we

771
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: were a McCoy, Okay, I don't think. I don't think

772
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: it would. I think what you would have, what you

773
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: would wind up doing. There are other spots on this

774
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 1: roster where you can trim salary, either by trade or release,

775
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: where you can make up a lot of that eight

776
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: million dollars. Yeah, it's not gonna think we talked about million.

777
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: You need the eight million dollars available by signing Amari

778
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: Cooper to a long term deal, because that'll reduce his

779
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: cap charge for this year it's fourteen million. Sure, if

780
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: you sign until a long term deal, that'll probably save

781
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: seven million. I'm just going on what the cab guys

782
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: are saying that they can absorb. A Mickey's saying a

783
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: five million dollars. That's fine, that's perfect, that's perfect. I

784
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: mean five day you know. But I to me, I

785
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: think it's it's one of those things where if you,

786
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: if you feel like that, you can get a little

787
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: bit better at the position, if you if you've moved

788
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: on in your mind from Elite Collins MALIEK. Collins is

789
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 1: the foot issue. It seems that he doesn't get the practice,

790
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: but to his credit, he plays. But can you is

791
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: Gerald McCoy better than Malie Collins? That's the question you

792
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: have to ask yourself for this year? He is, and

793
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: for that matter, Malie Collins. I mean, if he were

794
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: to trade him or whatever, you save two million dollars there,

795
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, So I think there's ways to manipulate it.

796
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: It's the question what the biggest question is how how

797
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: does this team feel about McCoy, How how is he?

798
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: How is he playing now? Yeah? And how much of

799
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: an upgrade would it be? And is it worth it? Yeah?

800
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: Well how much does he want? Because somebody else might

801
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 1: give him every year you can get you could totally

802
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: get blown out of the water on a deal here, right, Yeah,

803
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: I mean when it's keeping it all in perspective that

804
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: he is agreeable to whatever contract it is that you

805
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,399
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Speaker 1: me too. Seems like it happens my birth to try

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Speaker 1: to piggyback onto bills stuff. All right, the offense and

876
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore, What will the Kellen Moore effect be on

877
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: this Cowboys offense? That's why we're here to watch OTAs there.

878
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: You know, if if in fact it if to me,

879
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: if Kellen Moore, if we go out there and it's

880
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: I don't think it's about formations and all that kind

881
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: of thing or moving people around. I just hope that

882
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore finds something that they can hang their hat on,

883
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: that he can use and say, Okay, we're going to

884
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: build from this. Will McClay was talking about this, you

885
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: know with Zeke, our identity is running the football. Our

886
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: identity is toughness. If Kellen Moore can take what that

887
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: is is with the toughness aspect of it, and then

888
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: they'll come up with some creative ideas to expand the

889
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: tough maybe not just totally run the football, but if

890
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Speaker 1: he comes up with okay, if they get in maybe

891
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: maybe running the running the ball at eleven personnel, not

892
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: having to change to twelve or thirteen personnel to run

893
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 1: the ball, so teams matching, stuff like that. He needs

894
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 1: to come up with some ways of taking that toughness

895
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: that Will McClay, Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones want their

896
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: team to be, and then building around that. But I'm interested.

897
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: I don't think it's about oh look jet sweeps, oh look,

898
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: funny formations, Oh look this net you know, or creativity.

899
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Speaker 1: I think it's about what do what they do well,

900
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: but try and expand on that a little bit further

901
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: down to where your quarterbacks having success your receivers are

902
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: having success, and your tight ends are having success, and

903
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: the offensive line is able to function the way they are.

904
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: The thing he talked about at rookie camp when he

905
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: was interviewed was, to your point, Brian, his philosophy being

906
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: multiple right, and he feels like they've got a lot

907
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,959
Speaker 1: of skill players who have versatility where you can present

908
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: some different looks and still stick to your core principles

909
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: of what you do. And to me, that that kind

910
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: of reminded me of the way the Rams do things.

911
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: Not that you're trying to copycat the Rams, but the

912
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: Rams have a lot of window dressing, but they still

913
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: kind of run what they run after pre snap looks,

914
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: and that's maybe you know, there's more of that, But

915
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: I didn't get the impression from listening to him talking

916
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: to him that you know, he's going to drastically change

917
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: what works for this team. It's it's just trying to

918
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Speaker 1: present things maybe a little bit differently and explore some

919
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: different avenues. And I think I'm sure they feel like

920
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: promoting him to this role, his experience in college and

921
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: being a younger guy, I think introducing some concepts, I

922
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 1: think that's got to be something they've got to look

923
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 1: at at least think about Kellen Moore in his NFL career.

924
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: What type offense as a player and now as a

925
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: coach has he been in Lenahans Lenahans? Yeah, so how

926
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: much of a difference is he going to be now?

927
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Speaker 1: Maybe he goes back to college yet ten years ago,

928
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: three game winner in college. One of the most successful

929
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Speaker 1: college quarterbacks, Chris Peterson. If you look at what some

930
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Speaker 1: things that they've done at the University of Washington with

931
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: you know, with uh with Browning there, the quarterback there

932
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: they've had. You know, Washington has had a lot of

933
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: success in the PACTUAL. I think that what if you're

934
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: if you're the great ones? And I remember being with

935
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: John Gruden when he was a very similar age to

936
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: what Kellen Moore and when he was first starting as

937
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: an OC. John Gruden used to steal every day he

938
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Speaker 1: would steal something. You know, his screen packages came from

939
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings with Darren Nelson and Bob Snelker. You know,

940
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: he always found ways. He looked at what they were

941
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: doing in Miami with Dan Marino and with Clayton and

942
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: Duper and those guys. You know, he was trying to

943
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: figure out even though it goes back to the eighties,

944
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: he was going back and trying to study. His principles

945
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: were from Bill Walsh, you know, he was with you know,

946
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Speaker 1: Mike Holmgren in that group. So I think as a

947
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: smart COORDINATY, you got to find ways to take ideas

948
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 1: from other people. And again Rob was talking about, well,

949
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: maybe it's the Rams, but no, maybe it's maybe it's

950
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 1: the Rams, Maybe it's the Seahawks, maybe it's the Maybe

951
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: it's the university, it's Arizona State, maybe it's you know,

952
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: I think you have to find ideas. Like Okay, who

953
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: who you know? Tom Coughlin put me on a project

954
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: when time in Jacksonville. He's like, tell me, tell me

955
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: who that who these coordinators are, Who are the teams

956
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: that are moving the football? Who are the guys? Who

957
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: is my guy? Again? I'm sorry, I'm just brain dead

958
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: when it comes to the guy that was Arkansas. He

959
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: was at the Atlanta Falcons. He quit. Bob Patrino, Okay,

960
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: Bob Patrino in nineteen ninety eight was a young and

961
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: upcoming guy uh in college football ranks. He was at Auburn.

962
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: He was getting a start. People were kind of like,

963
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: whoa this is this guy's moving the ball and then

964
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: see that's what you kind of do, though you look

965
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: for those guys that have various um ways of manipulating

966
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: offense and putting people in. It might be very simplistic,

967
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: it might be very complex. Will be interested to see

968
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: what happens in Arizona with with you know, Texas Texas

969
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: offense in their in their scheme out there with that quarterback.

970
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: But maybe we'll find one day that they're stealing ideas.

971
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: Maybe people were stealing ideals from Cliff Kingsbury when he

972
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: was a Texas tech. Or what's going on with Lincoln

973
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: Riley at Oklahoma. I think that's where Cooper I mean,

974
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: I think that's see me, that's ke Kellen Moore. I

975
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: think that's where we need to see him hit up

976
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: to the work. Let's see what ideas he has on

977
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: his own, but whether ideas that he's been able to

978
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: kind of borrow and try to make his own. You know,

979
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: he strikes me as being such a student of the game.

980
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: He's studied, there's no question, there's no question. And you know,

981
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: even though he's been in Lenihan system, and let's take

982
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: nothing away from Lenihan. I would think should that he

983
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: would be open minded. You have to be about adding things. Yeah,

984
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's there's got to be things that he

985
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: was watching those games and going, god, we gotta do

986
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: this would be different, this, this should be different. I

987
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: think again, adding John Kent and I think will help.

988
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: I think the tight end coaches got you know that

989
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: he was an offensive coordina in college himself, and Garrett

990
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: for that matter. Yeah, to me, this is where this

991
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: is where if Garrett's smart, he lets those three come

992
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: up with some ideas and say, Okay, this is what

993
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna be. We're gonna be a physical team, we're

994
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: gonna be a tough team, but we'd need to come

995
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: up with some different ideas of how to move the football. So,

996
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: because they're still going to run the ball, they're still

997
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: gonna How many points a game do they need to

998
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: score for you to say, oh, he put his mark

999
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: on this team. They average twenty two last year, but

1000
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: the second half of the season after Marie Cooper got

1001
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: here in seven of eight games, they averaged twenty almost

1002
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: twenty seven points a game. They need average somewhere between

1003
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: twenty five and twenty six points. A game. They still

1004
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 1: had trouble in the red zone, and we can talk

1005
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: about scheme. They went seven and one, that's great. They

1006
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: went seven and two after Marie got here, I said

1007
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: seven and won the last eight game? Okay, cool, they

1008
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: what does it matter? God, why did you correct me

1009
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: at seven to two? I in the last eight games.

1010
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: We can talk about the scheme, and we can talk

1011
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: about changing drastically things, and Brian's right, they ideas, that's

1012
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: what they want here. But simple execution too helps a lot,

1013
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 1: would have helped, and I think personnel is going to

1014
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: help too if they had just converted some of those

1015
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: red zone opportunities. You get Travis Frederick back to help

1016
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: your red zone offense, get Jason Witten in there. I

1017
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: think that can help Kellen Moore just as much as

1018
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: scheme or coming up with drastically new ideas. Because they

1019
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: moved the ball pretty well. Trying to make your point, Mickey,

1020
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: make it so hard for me to agree with you

1021
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: on anything, But they need to execute better too. It's

1022
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: it's nist off. In six of the last eight games

1023
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: they scored at least twenty two points, and they the

1024
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 1: one clunker they threw in the last whole game was

1025
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: the Colts. They got shut out. Without that shutout, they

1026
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: averaged nearly twenty seven points. Again they do it again

1027
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: eight but it just could have been so much better.

1028
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: They went I think they went one for five in

1029
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: the red zone against the Saints, and it took a

1030
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: historic defensive performance to beat that team. You know, there's

1031
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 1: they had opportunities. You know, Superzila was so bad down

1032
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: in the red zone that time your back and watch that. Yeah,

1033
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 1: and the Saints scored with their great offense. Ten there

1034
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: we go. Yeah, got stopped a fourth and one. That

1035
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: was a great goal line. Stand why why it doesn't

1036
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: have to be a comparison between the Saints and the Cowboys.

1037
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: They're trying to I understand you just trying to argue

1038
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: with all you know, they did score twenty two in

1039
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: the playoff game. They didn't have to give up thirty.

1040
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: Can I change the subject and two hundred and seventy

1041
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: three year Jack Black No, I would like danswer your

1042
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: question and we'll move on. I would like for Kellen

1043
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: Moore to have this offense at the level of the Rams,

1044
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: which was thirty three points a game. Okay, okay, all right,

1045
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: they got the Super Bowl. There you go, that's right.

1046
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: I mean, they scored the Super Bowl. Who's not enough?

1047
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 1: Who's the best running back in the National Football League? Oh?

1048
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: There's a tournament going on television? Right? Oh? Is there

1049
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: the NFL network? All I know is one guy's won

1050
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: the rushing title two of the last three years and

1051
00:55:58,360 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: he probably would have wanted a third year if you

1052
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: got suspended. On CBS eleven on Sunday night, an interview

1053
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Speaker 1: was conducted with Zeke Elliott and he was asked by

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Speaker 1: Keith Russell about that he believed Do you believe you're

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Speaker 1: the best running back in the league? Answer was absolutely yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: And then the names of Todd Gurley and and sae

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Speaker 1: Quon Barkley were brought up, and I'd loved Zeke's response.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly how the Keith posed the question,

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Speaker 1: but he mentioned Gurley, he mentioned Barkley, and it was like,

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Speaker 1: and you still believe you're the best? Yes? Basically what

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Speaker 1: he said. I laughed out loudly. It was a one

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Speaker 1: word answers trying to get paid. And then I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: why wouldn't people consider Zeke to be up there? Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, but you mentioned Leon belly On Bella, of course,

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Speaker 1: was not a part of this last year. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's just unbelievable to me that Leveon Bellist not

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Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh. That that that whole thing I mean, And

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Speaker 1: you know, and we'll see what the career path of

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Speaker 1: Levion Bill is with the Jets. We'll see how that

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Speaker 1: works out. New coaching staff, potentially new general manager and

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Speaker 1: all that. But you know, to me, when you start

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Speaker 1: talking about complete backs, Girlie bell Elliott, those are the

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Speaker 1: names I you know, fought what seventy passes? Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: that's the thing. I don't know if people think of

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Speaker 1: Zeke and think of like true versatility. I think they

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Speaker 1: see him running over people and hurdling people and the

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Speaker 1: feed me gesture. But the guy on seventy seven passes

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Speaker 1: last year, you know, really can do. It's like the

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Speaker 1: argument that was posed when Emmett was winning. All right,

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Speaker 1: rushing time, funny you should mention Sanders is the best.

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Speaker 1: Funny you should mention Emmett Smith first three years in

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Speaker 1: the league. Who has more rushing? Who had more rushing yards?

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Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott or Emmett Smith. Zeke, Emmett had more rushing

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Speaker 1: yards four thousand, two hundred and thirteen to fourth and

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Speaker 1: forty eight. He played eight more games than so. Zeke

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Speaker 1: had more rushing year. Okay, how Emmett had forty one

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Speaker 1: touchdown Zeke twenty eight. You're big on touchdowns, yes, right,

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Speaker 1: all right? How about receiving receptions? Zeke had one thirty five,

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Speaker 1: Emmet had one thirty two. Emmett had eight hundred twenty

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Speaker 1: one yards receiving Zeke eleven hundred ninety nine. Some long screens, yep.

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Speaker 1: So total yards total yards five thousand, two hundred forty

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Speaker 1: seven for Zeke on one thousand and three touches five

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Speaker 1: thousand and thirty four for Emmett on eleven hundred eleven touches.

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Speaker 1: So Zeke total yards from scrimmage has two hundred thirteen

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Speaker 1: more yards than what Emmet had in his first three

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Speaker 1: years in the league. And Emmett played eight more games. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's good. He is good. Well, there's a reason, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you don't spend there's a lot of people that were

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Speaker 1: very critical of them for using the fourth overall pick

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Speaker 1: on a running back, And that's your numbers support why

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Speaker 1: and you've won games. And again the offense is geared

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Speaker 1: around him, and I you know, when you start talking

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Speaker 1: about the best at play him, Girley, I'll be interested

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Speaker 1: to see Barkley. To me, Barkley to me has a

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Speaker 1: chance to be better than any of them. But I

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Speaker 1: worry about Barkley for two reasons. They haven't fixed the

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Speaker 1: offensive line situation and their quarterback play is poor. And

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Speaker 1: you know, and that's maybe the one thing that will

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Speaker 1: kill Barkley if we think about the great running backs

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Speaker 1: that have ever played and the positions they've been in.

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Speaker 1: Walter Payton played behind a very poor Chicago Beard team

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Speaker 1: until nineteen eighty five, until Mike Dickett came along. They

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Speaker 1: were very poor. You look at Barry Sanders, very poor

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Speaker 1: detroit lyon teams that he had to endure with Wayne

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Speaker 1: Fonts and you know, a couple of playoff games here

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Speaker 1: and there, but overall bad teams you worry about you

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Speaker 1: You will never you feel like about you know, I

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Speaker 1: think that maybe the same thing might the best years

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Speaker 1: of Saquon Barkley might be wasted because of the Giants

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Speaker 1: and ability to have a consistent personnel. Yeahn't that. We'll

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Speaker 1: see they drafted a quarterback. We'll see what the offensive line,

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Speaker 1: you know, but they don't have any wide receivers, don't

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Speaker 1: everything to help him at all. Well, we're out of time,

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Speaker 1: but I will say this, when defensive coordinators scheme against

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys, who's the guy that they have to be

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Speaker 1: most concerned with? Jason Wittenaco. See you next week. Enjoy

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