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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to Caryl Marcoin's show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is Maud Maren, candidate for Manhattan District

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Speaker 1: Attorney and education Advocate. Hi, Maud, so nice to have

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Speaker 1: you on.

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Speaker 2: Hi. Carol, thrilled to be here.

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Speaker 1: I know a little bit about your story where you

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Speaker 1: know friends in real life as people like to say,

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Speaker 1: how did you decide to run for Manhattan District's attorney

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Speaker 1: when that seems like a crazy thing to do to me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little bit crazy to me too. Some

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Speaker 2: days I wake up and think, why in the world

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Speaker 2: did I try to do this?

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Speaker 1: Why in the world is what I was thinking.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the thing is, I've run for office before, the

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Speaker 2: big difference being I ran previously as a Democrat for

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Speaker 2: city council and for Congress, and this is the first

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Speaker 2: time ever I'm running as a Republican. And honestly, the

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Speaker 2: reasons are always kind of the same, Like I look

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Speaker 2: around at the people who are running my city and

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Speaker 2: I think that person's insane and has terrible ideas, and

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Speaker 2: I would do a better job, right. Yeah, And you know,

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Speaker 2: the first time you run for office, it's a little

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Speaker 2: bit well, the very first time you. For me, running

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Speaker 2: for office was like running for my community education council,

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Speaker 2: running for school positions because I'm a public school mom

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Speaker 2: and all that the schools have school leadership team positions,

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Speaker 2: you know what people think of as pta stuff. But

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Speaker 2: New York has just a different slew of acronyms for

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Speaker 2: the way that parents get involved in schools. And once

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Speaker 2: you start putting yourself out there, you know, sometimes you win,

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Speaker 2: sometimes you lose, and you get used to it a

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Speaker 2: little bit. But I have found it to be really

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Speaker 2: really helpful for me, at least. One of the things

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Speaker 2: I think I do well is I run and I

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Speaker 2: say things that I know lots of people agree with,

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Speaker 2: but that nobody else is sort of brave enough to

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Speaker 2: say yet. And I wouldn't have said that's what I

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Speaker 2: was trying to do back when, back when I ran

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Speaker 2: for my first you know, school board position, I wasn't saying, like, oh,

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Speaker 2: lead the church. And I was just saying, like, well,

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Speaker 2: that's bonkers that they're doing it that way. Let's do

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Speaker 2: it a better way. And but what happens is you

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Speaker 2: get back then, I had people in New York we

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Speaker 2: were having for your non New York audience, members. It

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Speaker 2: was a big fight in our public schools about what

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Speaker 2: what you call magnet schools and the rest of the

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Speaker 2: country we call them.

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Speaker 1: Special talents, specialized.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there was a big equity movement by Build

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Speaker 2: a Blasio, soon to be retired as the worst mayor

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Speaker 2: ever of New York. We're just trying to get rid

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Speaker 2: of them, this whole equity push, saying you.

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Speaker 1: Was trying to get rid of screens as they call it,

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Speaker 1: where you look they look at like grades, or they

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Speaker 1: look at a specialized test or something like that. But

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Speaker 1: the key thing to mention about Build a Blasio is

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Speaker 1: he was only looking to get rid of it after

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Speaker 1: his own kids had already gone to those schools.

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Speaker 2: Go back. I'll say this. I'm not trying to defend

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Speaker 2: Build a blo. But i will say that's a feature,

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Speaker 2: not a bug. Like that. You see that again and

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Speaker 2: again and again with people who are pushing with their

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Speaker 2: equity efforts. They want to take away from my public

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Speaker 2: school kids high quality, excellent education while spend a ton

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Speaker 2: of money for their own kids to get that high quality,

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Speaker 2: excellent education they have chosen over the public schools that

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Speaker 2: they feel perfectly comfortable putting their thumb on to push

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Speaker 2: them down into the land of equity based on some

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Speaker 2: really based on nothing but virtue signaling and flawed interpretation.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you say there's only seven black kids

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Speaker 2: at Stuyvesant, this big high school in New York, you

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Speaker 2: can say, well, why is that? And their answer is

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Speaker 2: always racism.

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Speaker 1: Racism, not because the schools that they came from did

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Speaker 1: not properly prepare you know, the test takers for the

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Speaker 1: rigor of Stuyvesant. Really not only that we say that

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Speaker 1: as somebody who did not get into Stuyvesant, and my

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Speaker 2: But you still know it's not racism, keeping it no.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'd like to say it was sexism or

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Speaker 2: And so I'll say this also one of the things

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Speaker 2: we now know about the education debate, and then we'll

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Speaker 2: go back to other stuff. But I one of the

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Speaker 2: things that's become overwhelmingly clear, and this feeds into and

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Speaker 2: I think of you, Carol very much as a truth teller.

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Speaker 2: I've been reading you for years and you do tell

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Speaker 2: the truth sometimes well ahead of other people getting there.

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Speaker 1: You can't do it ahead of time log. You should

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Speaker 1: know that you have to do it right on time.

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Speaker 2: Problem. Frankly I've been to I always think of as

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Speaker 2: kind of funny because I'm like, I'm not an early

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Speaker 2: adopter when it comes to technology. Yeah. Yeah, it's only

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Speaker 2: about like the big political events of our day and

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Speaker 2: the cultural moments. But what I wanted to say about

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Speaker 2: the kids in school is that like you can control

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Speaker 2: for like everything else, and it turns out that kids

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Speaker 2: who come from stable to parent families will do better

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Speaker 2: in school every time, and the kids don't single time,

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Speaker 2: And it doesn't matter socioeconomic, racial, immigrant status. If you've

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Speaker 2: in the evening, huge, that's what you need to be successful.

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Speaker 2: And so that's why all those other diagnoses that we

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Speaker 2: were getting when they're deeply flawed, but they were also

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Speaker 2: a leftist power grab is what it comes to. YEA.

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Speaker 1: So I know what your arguments are about education, and

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Speaker 1: I think you're such an amazing activist for kids. What

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Speaker 1: made you go towards the district attorney job. That I mean,

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Speaker 1: I imagine some of your issues, you know, such as

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to be super honest because we do

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Speaker 2: know each other, and it is that like I was trying.

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Speaker 2: I was debating I wanted to run for office, and

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Speaker 2: I wanted to run as a Republican because I'm now

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Speaker 2: a Republican, And I was debating between whether I should

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Speaker 2: run for public advocate or Manhattan District attorney. For those

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Speaker 2: folks who know me, I'm a defense lawyer by training.

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Speaker 2: A lot of das are defense. They're often prosecutors to start,

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Speaker 2: then they go into the private defense world for a while,

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Speaker 2: and then they come, you know, run for for uh,

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Speaker 2: for district attorney positions. I've never prosecuted. I've always been

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Speaker 2: on the defense lawyer side. But you know how a

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Speaker 2: to work. And so I was debating those two things,

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Speaker 2: and for me, like, if you don't have public safety,

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Speaker 2: what do you have, Like you can't be the city.

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Speaker 2: And you as a woman who had kids and left

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Speaker 2: New York for reasons that I probably should have left

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Speaker 2: New York for two you know that, like if a

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Speaker 2: And I just you know, I was born in Manhattan,

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Speaker 2: my family moved out. We grew up in Pennsylvania, and

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Speaker 2: i'mlike AOC. I don't try to pretend that I'm born

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Speaker 2: I've given birth to four kids in New York City

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Speaker 2: and I'm raised New Yorkers, and I fully expect that

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Speaker 2: one o'clock and ay, and right now, it's been terrifying

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Speaker 2: because you know, it's nothing.

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Speaker 1: It's not right, and you know, it's so funny. I

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Speaker 1: say this sometimes on various shows, but people always say

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Speaker 1: to me, like, why did you wait so long to leave?

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Speaker 1: Like New York was falling apart, you know, for a

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Speaker 2: It was an.

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Speaker 1: Amazing place to be for much of the Rudy Giuliani

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Speaker 1: even the beginning of the Doblasi administration, where he coasted

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Speaker 1: on their accomplishments. It was a wonderful city to be in.

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Speaker 1: It was safe, and it was blooming, and it was

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Speaker 1: just doing super well. And then it really was collapse.

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Speaker 1: That's the only way I could describe it. But you

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Speaker 1: clearly love New York and you are staying and fighting

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Speaker 2: Are you hopeful? Depends on what day you ask me, Carol,

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Speaker 2: you know, like in general, yes, but don't I don't

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Speaker 2: know that from Manhattan. Donnie Bragg combo is a really

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Speaker 2: bad combo, right, Like, if I'm that hopeful, right right,

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Speaker 2: that's sticktuitiveness. It kind of worries me. It would be

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Speaker 2: a really really devastating combination for our city. I do hope.

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Speaker 2: I just saw it before I signed on here. That

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Speaker 2: don't know if any of them are going to drop

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Speaker 2: you know, we non Mom Dannie voters should coalesce behind

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Speaker 2: one person. It's really hard to do when they're all

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Speaker 2: I may say, though, it does highlight this issue that

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Speaker 2: I think New York suffers enormously from the under development

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Speaker 2: they're constantly take to the left. And if you don't

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Speaker 2: And in fact, I was working with something and the

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Speaker 2: they have to come to terms with why they lost

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Speaker 2: for real and understand getting like, you know, kind of

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Speaker 2: They're like, we need even the New York Times said

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Speaker 2: we'll go further and further to the left.

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Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right

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Speaker 1: back on the Carol Marcowitz Show. So you were a

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Speaker 2: I I.

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Speaker 1: Trying to flip it to myself, like I've I've never

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Speaker 2: I tried, Carol, Like, I joined my community board in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're never getting elected as a Democrat.

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Speaker 2: Case Against the Sexual Revolution? Yeah, it's a brilliant read.

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Speaker 1: loved this conversation. Mod I think you are terrific and

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Speaker 1: I hope you are in New York's next District attorney.

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Speaker 1: Leave us here with your best tip for my listeners

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Speaker 2: Well, we touched on in a little bit already, but

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Speaker 2: and get outside, be with your family and talk to

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Speaker 1: I say it all the time, and I think that

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Speaker 1: it really is one of the best pieces of advice.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 2: Maud.

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Speaker 1: She is Maud Maren candidate for Manhattan District Attorney. If

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Speaker 1: you live in Manhattan, I mean You're running out of

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Speaker 1: options here. People, grab Maud with both hands before we

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Carol,