WEBVTT - The History of Smartphones: Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from House Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi there, everyone, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm Jonathan

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<v Speaker 1>Strickland and I'm Lauren, and today we wanted to talk

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about the history of smartphones, and before

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<v Speaker 1>we really get into it, I thought we'd probably dive

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<v Speaker 1>just a bit into our own personal history with smartphones. Lauren,

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<v Speaker 1>do you own a smartphone? I do, in fact on

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<v Speaker 1>a smartphone. Gosh, Lauren, what kind of smartphone do you own?

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<v Speaker 1>I have an iPhone for okay, so iPhone for one

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<v Speaker 1>of the very popular models out there. I actually have

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<v Speaker 1>an iPhone four as well, though I use mine as

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<v Speaker 1>an iPod touch because it's a hand me down. My

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<v Speaker 1>wife has an iPhone five. She loves it. She and

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<v Speaker 1>Syrie have nice long conversations of which I get to

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<v Speaker 1>take no part. But I also do have my own

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<v Speaker 1>legitimate smartphone, legitimate and that it's actually connected to a

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<v Speaker 1>cellular network, because my phone is not. I have an

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<v Speaker 1>Android phone HTCG two to be precise, which was the

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<v Speaker 1>successor to the HTCG one that'll come in handy later.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh I was a late adopter to the smartphone

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<v Speaker 1>UH model, as first by late adopter. Yes, do you

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<v Speaker 1>mean before two eleven, because because that's when I adopted

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<v Speaker 1>the smartphone. Yeah. Yeah, And as we'll see, that was

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<v Speaker 1>that was fairly late, uh, considering when smartphones first started

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<v Speaker 1>to hit the market. But then I was also a

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<v Speaker 1>late adopter to cell phones in general. I was one

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<v Speaker 1>of those curmudgeons who said, why would I need a

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<v Speaker 1>phone so people can get in touch with me whenever?

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<v Speaker 1>That's what answering machines are for. Uh, because get off

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<v Speaker 1>my lawn. But I thought we'd talk about the history,

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<v Speaker 1>and also we need to kind of define what a

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<v Speaker 1>smartphone is in general, because that's changed over time a

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<v Speaker 1>whole bunch, that's right. These these days, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>basically defined as um, something that has apps that you

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<v Speaker 1>can download so that you can change what software is

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<v Speaker 1>on your phone personally. Yeah, exactly, very true. And in

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<v Speaker 1>the past that was it was more just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a combination of a cellphone and p d A at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time. Yeah. Yeah, some basic features that made

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<v Speaker 1>it more than just a device that could let you

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<v Speaker 1>call on the go, but let you send messages in

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<v Speaker 1>various ways or or even serve the web. So a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the stuff that we would we would think

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<v Speaker 1>of as a feature phone was originally what we would

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<v Speaker 1>call a smartphone, because a feature phone now is pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much anything that's not a smartphone, apart from, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a brick that makes calls. But to really understand how

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<v Speaker 1>smartphones evolved, um, well, we started talking about the history

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<v Speaker 1>of it, and we realized that we kind of had

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<v Speaker 1>to go a little further back than smartphones or cell

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<v Speaker 1>phones or telephones because but essentially a smartphone is is

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<v Speaker 1>it is a telephone that is mobile, and what what

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<v Speaker 1>a mobile telephone is is technically a radio. Um, so

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<v Speaker 1>you go all the way back to what was six

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<v Speaker 1>Alexander Graham Bell. Yeah, that's alex as I like to

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<v Speaker 1>call him. Yeah, he came up with this idea. He

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<v Speaker 1>called it the electrical speech machine, and uh in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy six. And before him, there had been a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of work in physics for discovering things like the nature

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<v Speaker 1>of electromagnetism and how that could create certain waves, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was a there had also been development of a

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<v Speaker 1>thing called the telegraph, which was I know, nuts, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can send messages across distance, yeah, exactly, and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to use a horse or smoke or

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<v Speaker 1>a horse that's smoking. It's awesome. So yeah, the the

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<v Speaker 1>at this point we're talking about actually transmitting voice over electricity,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a phenomenal idea. And uh, the nice thing

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<v Speaker 1>about this is that you're looking at these different disciplines

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of combined to say, you know, there's probably

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<v Speaker 1>the potential to make a wireless communications system. We've figured

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<v Speaker 1>out how to do it by wire. We've got this

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<v Speaker 1>other work that physicists are doing in electromagnetism and radio waves.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet that we can figure out this this relationship

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<v Speaker 1>between electricity voice electromagnetism, make it work in some crazy

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<v Speaker 1>way to transmit voice across great distances without wires. And

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<v Speaker 1>there are a few people who are thinking of crazy

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts like that. Uh Marconi, he was one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of big, yeah, kind of big. There was the

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<v Speaker 1>internet Darling Tesla. Yeah yeah, when you say his name,

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<v Speaker 1>doves fly out of the internet. Uh yeah. While he

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<v Speaker 1>did make some amazing discoveries and was a phenomenal physicist

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<v Speaker 1>in his day, also was a crazy, crazy man. He

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<v Speaker 1>is his his picture is looking at us from the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast wall right now, staring staring deeply into me and

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<v Speaker 1>judging me. That might also be my I get a

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<v Speaker 1>little grouchy with Tesla. Edison also very important during this

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<v Speaker 1>time up by the way, that's your queue taboo. You

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<v Speaker 1>cheer Tesla and you boo Edison. That how the internet works. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he killed elephants. He did kill elephants. That's true. He

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<v Speaker 1>used alternating current to shock elephants to death. But we're

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<v Speaker 1>kind of getting off base anyway. At this point, we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about radio. So now radio, of course plays an

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<v Speaker 1>important part because when you get to the point of

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<v Speaker 1>cellular telephones, you're really talking about another version of radio communication.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've got the the development of the telephone and

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<v Speaker 1>the development of radio all going on at the same time. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we'll skip ahead a little bit because although

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<v Speaker 1>there are lots and lots of things we can talk

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<v Speaker 1>about during this time, ultimately they don't really uh inform

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<v Speaker 1>our discussion about the history of the smartphone. I would

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<v Speaker 1>go all the way to oh, I'm I'm actually not

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<v Speaker 1>familiar with this, with this particular reference that ves wireless

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<v Speaker 1>even wireless. Okay, so there's actually a clip online where

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<v Speaker 1>you can watch this silent film. And I did not

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<v Speaker 1>know about this until this morning. So I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm brilliant because I put this in our notes.

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<v Speaker 1>I just found out about it a thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>too cool to pass up because I was looking around

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<v Speaker 1>and someone jokingly referred to it as the first smartphone.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a silent film that shows two women walking down

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<v Speaker 1>the street having a conversation, or at least that's what

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<v Speaker 1>we assume they're doing, because we can't hear them. They

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<v Speaker 1>could be making bird noises for all I know. They

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<v Speaker 1>come up to a fire hydrant, and as two women

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<v Speaker 1>in the early twentieth century would do, they stop at

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<v Speaker 1>the fire hydrant. Clearly, of course, they wrap a wire

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<v Speaker 1>around the end of the fire hydrant and they and

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<v Speaker 1>the other end of that wires holds up to a radio.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's another wire from the radio going to

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<v Speaker 1>an umbrella, which one of the two ladies opens up

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<v Speaker 1>and holds up into the air. And then they fiddle

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<v Speaker 1>with some knobs on the radio that is now wired

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<v Speaker 1>to both the umbrella and the fire hydranydrant. And then

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<v Speaker 1>it cuts with the magic of cinema to a radio

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<v Speaker 1>operator who is holding up a transmitter to a phonograph

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<v Speaker 1>and plays music from the phonograph through the radio transmitter,

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<v Speaker 1>which the two ladies on the street are apparently listening

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<v Speaker 1>to the umbrella. And yes, yes, so this was this

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<v Speaker 1>was what people were calling the first smartphone because it

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<v Speaker 1>was using wireless radio technology to transmit communications exactly. I

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<v Speaker 1>like to think of it as the first iPod commercial.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that's why I put that in there, because

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<v Speaker 1>someone jokingly referred to it as the first smartphone, which

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<v Speaker 1>really it only had one way communication. You can only receive.

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<v Speaker 1>There was not a transmitter, right, they didn't have a

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<v Speaker 1>microphone waked up to it exactly. Certainly that was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be in the sequel. Yes, yes, it was Eve's

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<v Speaker 1>Witness to the Reckoning. Um did not yet did not

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<v Speaker 1>do well the box office, sadly. That's why I had

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<v Speaker 1>to put that in there, just because the clip is online,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll share a clip of that in our Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>page so you guys can get a look at it

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<v Speaker 1>because it's it's entertaining, It sounds spectacular. If this were

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<v Speaker 1>not audio, then I would want to play it right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh no, But but we we had some actual mobile

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<v Speaker 1>call technology going on by the correct that's correct. You

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<v Speaker 1>got a T and T and bell Labs now Bell Labs,

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<v Speaker 1>is the research and development arm of a T and

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<v Speaker 1>T correct and Bell Labs very much known for developments

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<v Speaker 1>in wireless communication as well just communication technology in general.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the nineteen forties they developed the first wireless network,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's kind of being generous, Uh what was it?

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<v Speaker 1>What was it like? Back in so imagine that you

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<v Speaker 1>are in a big metropolis and your big metropolis has

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<v Speaker 1>a wireless network that consists of a single tower with

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<v Speaker 1>a transmitter on it, and that transmitter is capable of

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<v Speaker 1>handling oh maybe a dozen channels of communication, so that's

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<v Speaker 1>all it could handle at one time. So in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>even if you had a lot of people with the handsets,

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<v Speaker 1>you could have of them actually operated simultaneous or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>even just six because I don't know if it was

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<v Speaker 1>too like it was two ways, but I honestly don't

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<v Speaker 1>know because I didn't have enough information there. But but

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<v Speaker 1>the the first wireless call was made by a truck driver,

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<v Speaker 1>showing that even back in the nineteen forties we were

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<v Speaker 1>not practicing safe driving techniques. And it was a hand

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<v Speaker 1>set like like a rotary phone. Hands do you know

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<v Speaker 1>what a rotary phone is? Lauren? I remember rotary phones

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<v Speaker 1>from when I was about three. Lauren's a little younger

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<v Speaker 1>than I am, so, so the rotary phone handle, it's

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<v Speaker 1>this giant handle, right, and it's got like a cord

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<v Speaker 1>that goes down to the base unit of this wireless telephone.

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<v Speaker 1>And how how large was the based unit of a

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<v Speaker 1>wireless telephone? Well, I don't have the specific dimensions, but

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you it weighed eighty pounds and for

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<v Speaker 1>our friends who used the metric systems, thirty six point

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<v Speaker 1>three kilograms. So not exactly fit in your pocket mobile,

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<v Speaker 1>not so much something that you want to want to

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<v Speaker 1>take around with you, you know, I mean vacations. I

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<v Speaker 1>assume it's camera was really crappy, Yeah, terrible. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a zero megapixel camera, right. Yeah. The only app could

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<v Speaker 1>I could run is call this person, and that's only

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<v Speaker 1>if you dialed it. Um. Yeah, eighty pounds. Yeah. If

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Jobs had come out in two thousand and seven

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<v Speaker 1>and unveiled the iPhone and it weighed eighty pounds, I

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<v Speaker 1>doubt it would have done quite so well on the market. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not so much, but for those purposes. Yeah, and it

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<v Speaker 1>cost fifteen dollars a month to have the service which

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<v Speaker 1>if you were to do an inflation calculator as I did,

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<v Speaker 1>which had the latest year as eleven, that's the most

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<v Speaker 1>recent figure, but in the fifteen dollars a month would

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<v Speaker 1>be a hundred thirty eight dollars a month, which which actually, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that I would take that today. Yeah, that's actually lower

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<v Speaker 1>than what I'm paying. Although although I suppose that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that that that eighty pounds of lugging equipment around is

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<v Speaker 1>maybe well, I would also be in better shape. I

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't need to download any physical fitness apps to my phone,

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<v Speaker 1>because just carrying the phone would be physical fitness. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we need to bring back the eighty pound phones.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe this is this will solve the oats any traffic.

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<v Speaker 1>If any of our listeners out there launch a company

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<v Speaker 1>where you market an eighty pound smartphone, we demand at

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<v Speaker 1>least some sort of residuals because we ain't getting rich

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<v Speaker 1>from podcasts and folks. Also a prototype send one over.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah okay, So moving on, we get to nine. Now

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<v Speaker 1>this is where we start seeing companies look into developing

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<v Speaker 1>cellular networks. So going beyond that single transmitter model I

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<v Speaker 1>was just talking about. Now we're looking at building the

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<v Speaker 1>foundation that would allow people to make sell calls. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>and by cellular, of course, we mean a telephone that

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<v Speaker 1>can go through a network of towers and keep the

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<v Speaker 1>signal exactly, yes, because that's a that would be an issue.

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<v Speaker 1>If you were to move outside the broadcast range of

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<v Speaker 1>a transmitter and a receiver, then you would drop your call.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you have a network of these transmitters and receivers,

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<v Speaker 1>then the theoretically you can move from one to the

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<v Speaker 1>other and you'd be fine, but you'd have to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out how to coordinate. Yeah, you gotta you gotta build

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<v Speaker 1>the architecture so that the phone when it moves from

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<v Speaker 1>one to the other, gets handed off from one tower

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<v Speaker 1>to another tower, or a communication ceases. This is not

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<v Speaker 1>a trivial problem, and it will take many decades of

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<v Speaker 1>work and and lots of infrastructure goes into it. And

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<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, and so so even though we technically had

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<v Speaker 1>the capacity to make these calls, to make these mobile

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<v Speaker 1>calls back in the nineties, we would not have the

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<v Speaker 1>infrastructure to do so. I mean, I mean, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it started in right, Yeah, No, you're exactly right. Even today,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, certain parts of Atlanta we drive through and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like you can you gehit that dead section?

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<v Speaker 1>There's a section on okay, And I apologize to all

0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:49.080
<v Speaker 1>the people who are going to hear the pronunciation of

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<v Speaker 1>this street, but this is how we say it in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>Ponstall le in when you go downstall. I'm sorry, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not pomps Own, which is what how my wife pronounces it,

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<v Speaker 1>being from Philadelphia, she refuses to sleep in Florida. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they can't. I'm a little bit physically incapable of saying it.

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<v Speaker 1>After after about eight years, I worked it out. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's tough, but yeah, there are certain dead sections. Clearly,

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<v Speaker 1>we still have to keep building those networks out if

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<v Speaker 1>we want to have universal coverage across the United States. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds weird. Universal coverage across the United States Universal

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<v Speaker 1>if it's universal, doesn't make it international anyway. Moving on, so, so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking decades of work to build out the cellular networks,

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<v Speaker 1>which at the at that time, you know, no one

0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:35.160
<v Speaker 1>was using because there was there wasn't nothing networks, right,

0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.120
<v Speaker 1>it was physically impossible to crazy, Yeah, and it wasn't.

0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.080
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't in fact until the nineteen seventies that they

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<v Speaker 1>managed to pull off that first cellular call. It was yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Martin Cooper. Okay, so this is a great, great story.

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<v Speaker 1>Martin Cooper and executive with Motorola. Are you imagine this?

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<v Speaker 1>You head up a research and development facility within Motorola. Sure, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that you have uh uh peers in the

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<v Speaker 1>industry who are working on cellular networks at the same

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<v Speaker 1>time that your group is working on them. Yes, the

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<v Speaker 1>big one being Bell Labs of a T and T.

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<v Speaker 1>You and your team managed to make a cellular network

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<v Speaker 1>and a phone that will work on that network, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can make a call to anyone. Who is the

0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:26.440
<v Speaker 1>first person you call? My mom? I'm not sure. Well,

0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Martin Cooper decided to call the head of the research

0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:33.080
<v Speaker 1>and development team over at Bell Laboratories because the very

0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:36.640
<v Speaker 1>first cell phone call was a crank call. That is amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that phenomenal? How many more cell phone calls would

0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.600
<v Speaker 1>follow in that wake? Did he ask if his refrigerator

0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:47.320
<v Speaker 1>wasning Prince Albert in a can? Actually I don't think

0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:50.240
<v Speaker 1>he did any of that, but but yes, the famously,

0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:53.520
<v Speaker 1>he very cheekily made a phone call to the two

0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.840
<v Speaker 1>executive over at Bell Labs which was kind of tweaking

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<v Speaker 1>their nose at the same time as having this historic

0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.680
<v Speaker 1>moment on that phone was also a little a little clunky.

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<v Speaker 1>It was not eighty pounds, but it was about one

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<v Speaker 1>point seven five pounds, which is around point eight krams.

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<v Speaker 1>And it had a cute nickname Brick, which you know, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>if if I saw a phone marketed as the Brick,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just thinking, boy, I gotta get my hands on

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<v Speaker 1>that thing. Oh yeah, oh yeah, the eyebricks. Canna get

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<v Speaker 1>the lead weight too, that would be awesome. So but

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<v Speaker 1>this this obviously showed a shift in telephone technology. It

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<v Speaker 1>would still be quite a few years before cell phones

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<v Speaker 1>became a common thing in the consumer market, but we

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<v Speaker 1>started to see them get adopted for advanced users, for

0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:46.480
<v Speaker 1>business users probably yep. We also those first adopters, those

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<v Speaker 1>early adopters who would like to be on the bleeding

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<v Speaker 1>edge of technology before it's even proven. They would go

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<v Speaker 1>out and get one. They were really expensive, they were

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<v Speaker 1>not very um practical, but this was the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>that that trend. Um. Now, the next thing I have

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<v Speaker 1>here is nineteen seventy four, and uh, ladies and gentlemen

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<v Speaker 1>of Greek ancestry. I would like to apologize profusely for

0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:12.480
<v Speaker 1>what I am about to attempt, because nineteen seventy four

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<v Speaker 1>was when Theodore George and here we go, Paris Cavacos,

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<v Speaker 1>that's my best guest. Paris Scovaco said, it's a Greek name,

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<v Speaker 1>so obviously I probably have butchered it. But he patented

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<v Speaker 1>a concept. Uh he actually he submitted the patent in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy two, but in seventy four he was granted

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<v Speaker 1>the patent for a concept for what would be a

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<v Speaker 1>or an early smartphone, and I wasn't called that at

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<v Speaker 1>the time. Of course, it was called an apparatus for

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<v Speaker 1>generating and transmitting digital information. Smartphone is catchier. I see,

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<v Speaker 1>I see why that one stuck. Although I would say, Lauren,

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<v Speaker 1>you you're familiar somewhat with the the realm of the

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<v Speaker 1>steampunk a little bit, I would think that steampunk fans

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<v Speaker 1>what they really need to do is just go through

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<v Speaker 1>and look at patent titles, because every patent title is

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<v Speaker 1>really more of a description of what the device does.

0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:08.640
<v Speaker 1>And if you've ever seen anyone who creates steampunk gadgets,

0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.480
<v Speaker 1>that's almost always what they name their stuff. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>a simple name. It's a descriptor. It's as many words

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<v Speaker 1>as you can possibly fit into a single phrase without

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<v Speaker 1>losing your breath and falling over. And the word ether

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<v Speaker 1>has to be in there somewhere. Well clearly, yeah, I

0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.720
<v Speaker 1>mean obviously it's the most important part. Also, don't forget

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<v Speaker 1>your goggles. Uh, that's neither here nor there. Moving on,

0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:32.160
<v Speaker 1>so so so in in seventy four, um um, our friend,

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<v Speaker 1>our friend Teddy. Yeah I like that. Yes, Teddy put

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<v Speaker 1>in this patent um and then proceeded to do absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>nothing with it. Is that correct? Well? Yeah, I mean

0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:44.520
<v Speaker 1>it kind of just sort of languished because while the

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<v Speaker 1>concept was there, the technology wasn't really up to task

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<v Speaker 1>to fulfilling on that promise. Because the idea was to

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<v Speaker 1>have this handheld device that could transmit digital information at

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<v Speaker 1>the time in the in the handheld device would not

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<v Speaker 1>really be able to do that efficiently. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we were in nineteen seventy four. I'm again,

0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.960
<v Speaker 1>you would be more familiar with this because you were ancient. Um,

0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.680
<v Speaker 1>but I was not born in seventy four. Thank you,

0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:17.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't have to wait a year. But yes, yes,

0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:20.240
<v Speaker 1>hand handheld devices at the time could could do not

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<v Speaker 1>very calculating. We had some, We had some We had

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<v Speaker 1>some really good graphics calculators first starting around the around

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<v Speaker 1>the seventies. Yeah, Hewett Packard had some some calculators and

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<v Speaker 1>IBM of you as well. But they were more than

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<v Speaker 1>the size of our laptops. They were closer to that

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<v Speaker 1>than a than a slider phone, definitely. And in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy four, you're also talking about this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>right at the very bleeding edge of the personal computer.

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<v Speaker 1>Are so a smartphone, which in a way is like

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<v Speaker 1>a a a distant cousin of the PC that fits

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<v Speaker 1>in your hand. Clearly, it would be unreasonable to think

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<v Speaker 1>of something like that existing in seventy four when the

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<v Speaker 1>actual PC still itself was not much, not really a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet you have to wait another couple of years for

0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:08.560
<v Speaker 1>those to become a thing. So when when did when did? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean because one of the ancestors of smartphones had

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<v Speaker 1>to have been p D a Personal Digital assistance which

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<v Speaker 1>which came onto the scene in the early eighties, Is

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<v Speaker 1>that correct? So there's this company called Scion, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to become important in a little bit too. Ssion

0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:27.040
<v Speaker 1>created this device called the organizer. Now, the first organizer

0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:30.880
<v Speaker 1>was more of a curiosity. It was part calculator, part

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<v Speaker 1>database manager, or part part like digital note taker. So

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<v Speaker 1>imagine that you have a watch that also lets you

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<v Speaker 1>type stuff in it, but you can't do anything else

0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:45.680
<v Speaker 1>with the stuff, so you can make it just sits

0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.680
<v Speaker 1>in the watch forever. Right, Yeah, you could delete it eventually.

0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:51.520
<v Speaker 1>I think they had to use Actually I don't think

0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:53.159
<v Speaker 1>it's this one, but there is one p d A

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<v Speaker 1>I read about where the only way to reformat it

0:19:56.440 --> 0:20:00.320
<v Speaker 1>was to bathe it an ultra violet radiation, which, of course,

0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:02.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean I have one of those devices at home.

0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:06.760
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, the dogs love it. I'm kidding, I'm kidding,

0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:11.320
<v Speaker 1>they hate it. So yeah, the the organizer, all it

0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:14.000
<v Speaker 1>was was a clock in this a way of taking notes.

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<v Speaker 1>But you couldn't you couldn't organize it in any other way. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like you could put I could put down

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<v Speaker 1>your name and your phone number, and then under on

0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:24.800
<v Speaker 1>the next line under I might put eggs, milk, bread,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, et cetera. And then on the next line

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<v Speaker 1>down I might say, um, you know, write down what

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<v Speaker 1>a person's address, And there's there's no rhyme or reason.

0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:37.000
<v Speaker 1>There wasn't there was no particular operating system, right. But

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<v Speaker 1>one just two years later they introduced the organizer too,

0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:44.000
<v Speaker 1>and that one was really the very first pd eight

0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:46.239
<v Speaker 1>had a lot more features that actually had allowed you

0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:50.560
<v Speaker 1>to organize stuff into different categories, and it laid the

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<v Speaker 1>groundwork for what the p d A would be over

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<v Speaker 1>the next really the next decade and a half. P

0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:59.600
<v Speaker 1>d a's, I mean they technically still exist, but mostly

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<v Speaker 1>they've been co opted by smartphones. It's one of those

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<v Speaker 1>many things that we have replaced in our pockets with

0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:09.840
<v Speaker 1>a single We went from so we went from seventy

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<v Speaker 1>four to eight four. What's our next jump? I think

0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:14.920
<v Speaker 1>our next jump is all the way to ninety four. Yeah,

0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:18.520
<v Speaker 1>we'd like to take these decades people. Um, And that

0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:20.280
<v Speaker 1>was that was when that was the first time that

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<v Speaker 1>that a p d A and a cell phone really

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<v Speaker 1>got got kind of smooshed together. Right, Yeah, So what

0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:28.560
<v Speaker 1>IBM dead? It was IBM IBM took a PDA and

0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:30.000
<v Speaker 1>they took a cell phone, and they put them in

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<v Speaker 1>a room together and put on some very white music.

0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.960
<v Speaker 1>And about nine months later, the Simon Personal Communicator came

0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:41.720
<v Speaker 1>out and that's how smartphones are born. Actually that's mostly

0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:43.480
<v Speaker 1>a lie, but no, they did. They did come up

0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:46.680
<v Speaker 1>with a product called the Simon Personal Communicator, and yeah,

0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:49.399
<v Speaker 1>it was part cell phone, part p d A. So

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<v Speaker 1>in a way it's the kind of like the great

0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:57.240
<v Speaker 1>grandfather of smartphones. And it could send facsimiles. Is that correct, Verry?

0:21:57.320 --> 0:21:58.919
<v Speaker 1>What wasn't that one of the first messages that it sent.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe during one of their their stage shows they

0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:03.680
<v Speaker 1>sent a facts from one end of the stage to

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<v Speaker 1>the other and we're like, check us out you yeah,

0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:08.840
<v Speaker 1>which is at that time that was pretty exciting certainly,

0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:11.800
<v Speaker 1>and you know, it's it's hard for us to remember now,

0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:14.400
<v Speaker 1>but for all, remember all those you know, all those

0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:17.399
<v Speaker 1>hoax emails or jokes you would get an email and

0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:19.360
<v Speaker 1>then later on you would start getting them on things

0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:22.879
<v Speaker 1>like Facebook. My very dear grandmother still still uses email

0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:25.400
<v Speaker 1>to send them. Yeah, so you get those forwards. Back

0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:28.520
<v Speaker 1>in the day, which was a Thursday, remember, uh, we

0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:31.800
<v Speaker 1>used to send those via facts. They're called facts lure.

0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Facts Laura is a type of folklore where the same

0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:39.000
<v Speaker 1>sort of hoaxes and jokes would get passed around on

0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:42.640
<v Speaker 1>facts as they do today. On email or through social networks,

0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:46.040
<v Speaker 1>and so very important to allow people to pass on

0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:48.280
<v Speaker 1>that message that Bill Gates will give them lots of

0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:51.199
<v Speaker 1>money if they forward this message on which it's not

0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:54.960
<v Speaker 1>true critical but but yeah, and it was, it was,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean relatively tremendously expensive at the time, the sign

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<v Speaker 1>and um, it was it cost it cost a thousand

0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:08.600
<v Speaker 1>ninety nine dollars um by itself or a contract because

0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:10.640
<v Speaker 1>even then even then didn't when they're working with Bill

0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:13.520
<v Speaker 1>cell I think, um they had teamed up with Bell

0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Seal to do this. Who wasn't entirely sure about this

0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:21.280
<v Speaker 1>whole cell phone thing quite at that moment, the smartphone, right, Yeah,

0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:23.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was. It was a big risk at

0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:25.960
<v Speaker 1>that time. And even at that price, they still sold,

0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:29.240
<v Speaker 1>they still sold quite a few, uh products. Now granted

0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:32.160
<v Speaker 1>again these were going to very you know, a very

0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:35.600
<v Speaker 1>specialized market because not everyone could afford a well in

0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:38.919
<v Speaker 1>to day's dollars would be nearly more than sixteen hundred

0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:42.399
<v Speaker 1>dollars for a phone. Sixteen hundred dollars for a phone

0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:45.040
<v Speaker 1>for a phone. Yeah, but if you which is twice

0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:49.360
<v Speaker 1>what I would pay for anyone contract, And of course

0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:51.680
<v Speaker 1>I guess we should take this moment to also acknowledge

0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:53.639
<v Speaker 1>the fact to all of our listeners overseas who are

0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:56.880
<v Speaker 1>used to buying your phones without any subsidies from your

0:23:57.520 --> 0:24:00.800
<v Speaker 1>cell phone carrier. We totally understand the you you pay

0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:03.520
<v Speaker 1>more perfone than we do. But we're coming at it

0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:05.840
<v Speaker 1>from the perspective of people in the United States who

0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:08.280
<v Speaker 1>sign away two years of our lives in order to

0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:10.280
<v Speaker 1>be able to buy a phone for about four dollars

0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:12.119
<v Speaker 1>cheaper than what it would go for otherwise. We we

0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:13.680
<v Speaker 1>have to make a blood OAF but it only costs

0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:15.840
<v Speaker 1>about two hundred dollars to the phone, and somehow it

0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:18.080
<v Speaker 1>works out. Yeah, there's there's usually some sort of weird

0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:20.439
<v Speaker 1>ceremony involved, but two guys over there don't need to

0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:22.120
<v Speaker 1>know all about that. We don't want to give away

0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:25.159
<v Speaker 1>all our secrets. But so, but so, the Simon, the

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<v Speaker 1>Simon Personal Communicator, really I kind of didn't do well.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it was it was a few thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, it was like it was tet and

0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:37.240
<v Speaker 1>it was kind of a prototype. And and again the

0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:39.959
<v Speaker 1>infrastructure was not prepared to handle something like that. There

0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:42.160
<v Speaker 1>weren't that many places that you could use it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and and for for something that was based on a

0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:47.400
<v Speaker 1>concept of you can use this anywhere that wasn't really

0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:49.680
<v Speaker 1>it was it was, and so I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>off the market. It was. It was definitely one of

0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:56.400
<v Speaker 1>more of a proof of concept. That's why it turned out.

0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:57.879
<v Speaker 1>It turned out to be more of a proof of

0:24:57.920 --> 0:24:59.879
<v Speaker 1>concept that it turned out to be a useful product

0:24:59.880 --> 0:25:02.520
<v Speaker 1>on and so one because of those very things you say,

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<v Speaker 1>because yeah, I mean if if your whole thing is

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<v Speaker 1>this is mobile, then you better be able to use

0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:13.159
<v Speaker 1>it MOBI. Yeah. Apart from like it's mobile, as long

0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:15.919
<v Speaker 1>as you stay within this four square foot area of

0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:18.560
<v Speaker 1>this part of the office that's adjacent to this giant window,

0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:23.879
<v Speaker 1>that's not terribly useful. No no, um. But But but

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<v Speaker 1>very soon after that, in nineties six, Palms started Yeah Palm,

0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:32.200
<v Speaker 1>man boy, what a And we've done an episode about Palm,

0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:34.879
<v Speaker 1>a couple of episodes about Palm and including it's a

0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:37.640
<v Speaker 1>relationship with other companies. But in ninety six that's when

0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:39.399
<v Speaker 1>it started to really make a name for itself in

0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:43.520
<v Speaker 1>the personal Digital assistant UH market. And they released the

0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Pilot one thousand and Pilot five thousand, and people who

0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:50.520
<v Speaker 1>owned Palm p D as are some of the most

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<v Speaker 1>passionate technology lovers I know, oh absolutely. I mean there

0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:56.480
<v Speaker 1>I know people who still will talk about either their

0:25:56.520 --> 0:26:01.560
<v Speaker 1>PDA or their Palm. Smartphones, like the Trio owners are like, well,

0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:05.240
<v Speaker 1>they're like a mega owners. And I don't mean that

0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:06.920
<v Speaker 1>in a bad way. I just mean that they are

0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:11.000
<v Speaker 1>really passionate about that product. Right, Yes, absolutely, and it's

0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:12.520
<v Speaker 1>it's easy to see why. I mean it was. It

0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:14.280
<v Speaker 1>was very exciting at the time that the level of

0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:17.800
<v Speaker 1>functionality that they were getting out of out of a

0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:19.480
<v Speaker 1>thing that you could put in your pocket and carry

0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:23.520
<v Speaker 1>around with you and have have access to um all

0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:26.080
<v Speaker 1>sorts of stuff. Man, I mean you could have all

0:26:26.160 --> 0:26:28.600
<v Speaker 1>your calendar in there, you could have files, you could

0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:31.560
<v Speaker 1>even run apps on these things. It was. It was

0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:37.800
<v Speaker 1>a small, portable, very limited computer. Yes, go just another

0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:40.080
<v Speaker 1>year and then you know, there's this company that pops

0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:44.000
<v Speaker 1>up in n called HTC. Now I'm going to tell

0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:46.440
<v Speaker 1>you a story here, Lauren. You guys out there you

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:50.200
<v Speaker 1>can listen in if you like HTC. I had never

0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:53.919
<v Speaker 1>heard of HTC because I was not into smartphones at

0:26:53.920 --> 0:27:00.000
<v Speaker 1>all until I got until first, and so I didn't

0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:02.520
<v Speaker 1>that's actually right. It came out in two thousand eight,

0:27:02.560 --> 0:27:04.159
<v Speaker 1>but I didn't buy my until two thousand nine. So

0:27:04.200 --> 0:27:09.000
<v Speaker 1>that's really remarkable that you knew that that Lauren's been stalking. Anyway,

0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:11.560
<v Speaker 1>I've been listening to your other podcasts. You've talked about

0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 1>this before, Jonathan. Fair enough, fair enough, So HTC. I

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:17.359
<v Speaker 1>had never heard of them. I didn't realize that they had.

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:21.240
<v Speaker 1>They were first founded, and in fact, they've had a

0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:26.119
<v Speaker 1>much longer association with smartphones than I was aware. When

0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:29.359
<v Speaker 1>I saw the g One, I naively thought, oh, this

0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:31.440
<v Speaker 1>must be like one of their first products, because I've

0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:33.000
<v Speaker 1>never heard of them before. Now that was due to

0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:36.679
<v Speaker 1>my ignorance, not due to HTC's UH success in the

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:39.399
<v Speaker 1>the or lack thereof in in UH in the market.

0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 1>In fact, we'll talk a little bit about some of

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:44.400
<v Speaker 1>their other products in a in a bit. So, yeah,

0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:46.720
<v Speaker 1>HTC pops up on the scene and they become a

0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:50.160
<v Speaker 1>big name, although not they don't always have a smooth

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:53.679
<v Speaker 1>sailing kind of relationship with the market either. HTC has

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:55.560
<v Speaker 1>been having some issues over the last couple of years.

0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:58.840
<v Speaker 1>In fact, most most technology companies, I think are doing

0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:02.200
<v Speaker 1>a tiny bit of that here and there. You found

0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:06.720
<v Speaker 1>out the first use of the term smartphone. Yes. Um,

0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:10.080
<v Speaker 1>that also happened in it was attached to one of

0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:14.399
<v Speaker 1>Ericsson's phones, UM called the g S eight eight a

0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:19.359
<v Speaker 1>k a. The Penelope. Oh it's not Penelope, not Penalope. Man,

0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:22.400
<v Speaker 1>I've been saying it wrong all these years. Um, but yeah,

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:24.399
<v Speaker 1>this this was this was basically a concept model. I

0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:27.840
<v Speaker 1>think only about two were ever produced. But um, but yes,

0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:30.840
<v Speaker 1>that was the first marketing package that had the word

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 1>smart and phone in conjunction. There was a space between them,

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:35.600
<v Speaker 1>so clearly there was a lot of work to be

0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:38.440
<v Speaker 1>done in the marketing field. Deleting that space would take

0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:43.080
<v Speaker 1>two years, two years of hard work. You thought building

0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 1>that cellular network was tough. Space is big yo, getting

0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:51.760
<v Speaker 1>rid of it. But yeah, yeah, and and and this

0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:54.240
<v Speaker 1>is this is where that the rest of our outline

0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:56.760
<v Speaker 1>is extremely crunched together. It's it's if I drew a

0:28:56.760 --> 0:29:00.200
<v Speaker 1>little picture and had to start making bendylines going all

0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:02.040
<v Speaker 1>over the place. Well, yeah, because up to now we've

0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:05.600
<v Speaker 1>been jumping like we were doing. We were doing fifty

0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 1>year jumps for a while, then we got down to

0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:09.840
<v Speaker 1>ten year jumps. Now we're doing like two and pretty

0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 1>soon we've got a whole bunch of stuff happening year

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:14.320
<v Speaker 1>by year, year by year, a month by month. So, Lauren,

0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:16.240
<v Speaker 1>it turns out we had a lot to say about

0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:19.000
<v Speaker 1>the history of smartphones. We talk a lot. Yeah, So

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:21.000
<v Speaker 1>it turned out to be so long that we're doing

0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 1>something that it's not unusual for text stuff. We're splitting

0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:27.240
<v Speaker 1>it into two episodes, so we're gonna leave off here,

0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 1>but we'll pick up in our next episode right where

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:32.360
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0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:35.000
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0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:43.040
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