WEBVTT - The Facebook Algorithm Problem

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tex Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio,

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<v Speaker 1>and I love all things tech and I don't get

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<v Speaker 1>to do this very often, so indulge me. But in

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<v Speaker 1>Shakespeare's classic tragedy Hamlet, our protagonist and perpetually moody Dane

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<v Speaker 1>says at one point there is nothing either good or bad,

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<v Speaker 1>but thinking makes it so. What he means there is that,

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<v Speaker 1>at least in his eyes, all things in the universe

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<v Speaker 1>are just as they are. They are neither good nor bad.

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<v Speaker 1>It's only how we think about them that makes them

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<v Speaker 1>good or bad. This is similar to a philosophy and

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<v Speaker 1>I've talked about on this show when it comes to technology.

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<v Speaker 1>Technology and of itself has the capacity to help or

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<v Speaker 1>to harm. But the underlying tech isn't necessarily good or evil.

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<v Speaker 1>It's how it's put to use that makes all the difference. Now, granted,

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<v Speaker 1>there are some technologies that are harder to use in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that is a net positive, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear warheads for example. Not that people haven't tried, they have,

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<v Speaker 1>but you get my meaning. Well, one technology that has

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<v Speaker 1>far reaching effects and consequences that can end up being

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<v Speaker 1>positive or negative. Would be the algorithms that are underlying

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like search and social networks. Specifically today, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to be talking about Facebook in this episode, but algorithms

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<v Speaker 1>underlie the various computer systems and online systems that we

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<v Speaker 1>rely upon, and they have the potential to be harmful

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<v Speaker 1>depending on their implementation. But before I start talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the effects of algorithms, let's back up a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>and define that what exactly is an algorithm. Basically, an

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<v Speaker 1>algorithm is a set of directions or rules, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>really it. There's nothing special about this definition. These rules

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<v Speaker 1>guide how computers calculate operations and solve problems. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>finite sequence of instructions for computers to follow when they're

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<v Speaker 1>executing a specific task. These instructions are unambiguous, which means

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<v Speaker 1>the computer system doesn't have to make judgment calls or

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that while executing the instructions. There is a

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<v Speaker 1>clear path to follow based on whatever the situation is

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<v Speaker 1>at hand. A different situation might lead to a different outcome,

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<v Speaker 1>but the instruction path would still remain clear. If you

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<v Speaker 1>were to dig down deeply enough to see what was

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<v Speaker 1>going on behind the computer's actions. The number of potential

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<v Speaker 1>paths to various outcomes could be an warmous and so

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<v Speaker 1>to us it would look like a really complicated system

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<v Speaker 1>and very difficult to grock. But if you really got granular,

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<v Speaker 1>you would see the logic, as it were, that connects

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning state to the end state of any given operation.

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<v Speaker 1>At Google, search algorithms include elements that determine what position

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<v Speaker 1>of particular query result will take on a results page.

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<v Speaker 1>So when we search for something using an engine like Google,

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<v Speaker 1>there are several things going on in that split second

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<v Speaker 1>before our results pop up. For one thing, Google has

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<v Speaker 1>an index of all the web pages it has crawled,

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<v Speaker 1>and so Google will reference that index to find all

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<v Speaker 1>the entries and that index that relate to the terms

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<v Speaker 1>that you put in your search query. And then those

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<v Speaker 1>results are ranked by a few different criteria. So way

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<v Speaker 1>up there is relevancy, like how relevant is each search

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<v Speaker 1>result to the original search query. If I were to

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<v Speaker 1>search for Captain America, Google is going to put the

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<v Speaker 1>pages about the fictional superhero way up towards the top

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<v Speaker 1>search results about someone who happens to hold the rank

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<v Speaker 1>of Captain and there's somewhere a mention of the region

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<v Speaker 1>of America would likely fall much lower on the search

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<v Speaker 1>results list, because even though those pages will have relevant

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<v Speaker 1>terms in them, the chances are it's not what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>actually looking for. A context is important, but context is

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<v Speaker 1>just part of it. There are thousands of pages that

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned Captain America. Some are from really good resources, meaning

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<v Speaker 1>they are resources that are dependable, they're informative, they might

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<v Speaker 1>be entertaining, you know whatever. Some are from garbage sites

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<v Speaker 1>that don't provide any real valuable experience. So then you've

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<v Speaker 1>got the ranking system within Google that determines how the

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<v Speaker 1>most relevant search engine results will appear on the results age. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if there are thousands or even millions of hits, how

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<v Speaker 1>does Google determine which ones show up on the first

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<v Speaker 1>page of results. Well, there's a complicated system that determines

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<v Speaker 1>that ranking, and it's not really in the realm of

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<v Speaker 1>this episode to go into it, but suffice it to

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<v Speaker 1>say that Google takes a lot of things into consideration

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<v Speaker 1>when ordering search results. Ostensibly, this is all in an

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<v Speaker 1>effort to give you the most relevant and helpful results

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<v Speaker 1>based on your search query. For the people companies and

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<v Speaker 1>organizations that are making pages. It's always a goal to

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<v Speaker 1>rank really high on that list, preferably on that first page,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you can, the top half of that first page,

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<v Speaker 1>because most people will only look at the first few

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<v Speaker 1>search results and then they'll ignore everything that comes afterward.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the years, Google has made it really tricky to

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<v Speaker 1>game this engine, which means it's hard to come up

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<v Speaker 1>with effective strategies to show up higher in search results.

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<v Speaker 1>Your best bet is really to create just really good

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<v Speaker 1>resources around the particular topic of interest in question. And also,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, happened to be a really respected resource, which

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<v Speaker 1>is not easy to do, especially if you're just starting out. Obviously, Also,

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<v Speaker 1>whenever Google makes changes to this algorithm, it can drastically

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<v Speaker 1>affect how your page appears in search results, even with

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<v Speaker 1>a perfect query. And when tech stuff was still part

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<v Speaker 1>of how stuff works, that was something we were always

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<v Speaker 1>concerned about. A change in the Google algorithm would mean

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<v Speaker 1>that our web traffic could either skyrocket or it could plummet.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no change in the quality of our work.

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<v Speaker 1>Our work was just as good as it had been before.

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<v Speaker 1>It would just be a change in how our work

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<v Speaker 1>would show up in search results. However, that's the Google algorithm.

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<v Speaker 1>With other algorithms like the ones on Facebook, those can

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<v Speaker 1>be easier to game if you know what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's more, there are algorithms on Facebook that allow

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<v Speaker 1>for advertisers to engage in some discriminatory and potentially criminal behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll look at how the various algorithms on Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>can have a negative impact because of the way they

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<v Speaker 1>are implemented and because of the way that people are

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<v Speaker 1>taking advantage of them. Now, in the beginning, Facebook didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have an algorithm at all. Heck, it didn't even have

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<v Speaker 1>a news feed when it first started. Instead, you could

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<v Speaker 1>post stuff to your profile, but then you could visit

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<v Speaker 1>the profiles of friends to see what they had posted.

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<v Speaker 1>You could leave comments on stuff, but it still required

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<v Speaker 1>you to actually go over to your friends profile. There

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<v Speaker 1>was no aggregator for content just yet that changed in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand seven when Facebook introduced the news feed. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>your homepage on Facebook had a record of your friends activities,

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<v Speaker 1>just listed in reverse chronological order. You know, the most

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<v Speaker 1>recent things appearing at the top of the list. You

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<v Speaker 1>could log in and see what your friends had been

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<v Speaker 1>up to since the last time you were on and

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<v Speaker 1>you could catch up. There's still no algorithm to speak

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<v Speaker 1>of yet, and as would become a hallmark of any

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<v Speaker 1>change made on Facebook. Ever, a lot of users objected

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<v Speaker 1>to the news feed, and the main objection was that

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<v Speaker 1>people felt it was a violation of privacy. They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>like the idea that the activities they were doing on

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook were being broadcast to all of their friends, which okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now this one stumps me a little bit, because the

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<v Speaker 1>profiles on Facebook were public unless you set privacy features

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<v Speaker 1>to make it otherwise. So if you change your relationship

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<v Speaker 1>status on your profile, for example, why would you object

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<v Speaker 1>to it being broadcast to your friends. If anyone visited

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<v Speaker 1>your profile, they would see the difference. So either you

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<v Speaker 1>don't change it, or you change the privacy settings on

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<v Speaker 1>your profile, But otherwise why would you be upset? I

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<v Speaker 1>think the main takeaway is just that people hate change,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you don't want something broadcast to everybody, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't post it. A couple of years later, Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>introduced the first iteration of their algorithm, which would determine

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<v Speaker 1>what users would see in their news feed and in

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<v Speaker 1>what order they would appear, so rather than getting a

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<v Speaker 1>full account, of all of your friends activities in reverse

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<v Speaker 1>chronological order. Users would see a selection of stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>the algorithm had determined was the best for that user.

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<v Speaker 1>So how did that work? Well, generally speaking, the algorithm

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<v Speaker 1>took three main criteria into account to select the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that would show up on news feeds. One was user affinity,

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<v Speaker 1>which was an indicator of how close the relationship is

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<v Speaker 1>between one Facebook user and another, or a Facebook user

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<v Speaker 1>and a brand. And this was measured in one way perspectives,

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<v Speaker 1>and that can be a little confusing. So let's make

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<v Speaker 1>a an example. We'll take three fictional people to explain

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<v Speaker 1>how this affinity worked. So in this example, we've got Sam, Dean,

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<v Speaker 1>and Castiel. Okay, So Sam and Dean are super close, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and they often comment on each other's posts, and they'll

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<v Speaker 1>hit like on each other's statuses and all that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff. So they tend to see one another's posts

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<v Speaker 1>a lot in their own news feeds when they log

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<v Speaker 1>onto Facebook. They each have a high affinity for each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we've got Castil. So Castiel is friends with both

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<v Speaker 1>Sam and Dean, but really he's much closer to Dean

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<v Speaker 1>than he is to Sam. And Castiole responds to a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of Dean's posts, and as a result, Castiel C's

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<v Speaker 1>Dean's stuff pop up in his that is, Castil's news

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<v Speaker 1>feed pretty regularly. Castil is not as close with Sam

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<v Speaker 1>and he doesn't interact with Sam as much. So sam

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<v Speaker 1>stuff can pop up in Castile's news feed, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>not as frequent or as sure a thing as when

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<v Speaker 1>Dean posts something. Now, on top of that, Dean likes Castiel,

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<v Speaker 1>but you get the feeling that this relationship is not

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<v Speaker 1>a perfect two way street. So Dean only interacts with

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<v Speaker 1>some of Castile's stuff that he posts online. So Dean

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<v Speaker 1>sees Castiel's posts on occasion in his news feed, but

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<v Speaker 1>not nearly at the same frequency at which he sees

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<v Speaker 1>Sam's post in his that is Dean's news feed. And yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I just summarized the show Supernatural in an example about

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook algorithms and affinity. Now, as we see a high

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<v Speaker 1>affinity one person has for another helps determine how much

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<v Speaker 1>of that other person's stuff the first person is going

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<v Speaker 1>to see. But it only works in that one way.

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<v Speaker 1>If I like your posts a lot, then I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to see more of your posts in my feed. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you never interact with me, You're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>see a lot of my stuff in your feed. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean by that one way perspective. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>there are other ways to wait this, more like you

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<v Speaker 1>can tag someone in a post, which will definitely give

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<v Speaker 1>their attention much more effectively. But let's move on. So

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<v Speaker 1>the second component to the edge rank factor we had

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<v Speaker 1>user affinity as a component one. Component two is the

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<v Speaker 1>weight of the post W E, I, G, H T.

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<v Speaker 1>So different kinds of posts have different weights, and the

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<v Speaker 1>greater the weight, the more likely it will pop up

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<v Speaker 1>on a given friends feed. So, generally speaking, with edge rank,

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that had photos or videos had the most weight,

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<v Speaker 1>followed by posts that contained links, followed by plain text posts. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the reason for this is that Facebook analysts had figured

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<v Speaker 1>out that posts that had stuff like photos and videos

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<v Speaker 1>with tend to get more engagement. I'll get back to

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<v Speaker 1>engagement a bit later in this episode. Just know that

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<v Speaker 1>it is a critical concept for Facebook. The third component

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<v Speaker 1>factored into edge rink is called time decay, which essentially

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<v Speaker 1>translates to how old is this post? And the idea

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<v Speaker 1>here is that the more recent posts are likely more

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<v Speaker 1>relevant than older posts are it doesn't do you any

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<v Speaker 1>good to see the announcement of an upcoming get together

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<v Speaker 1>if in fact that get together actually happened last week,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're not likely to see the initial post pop

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<v Speaker 1>up at the top of your news feed if you've

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<v Speaker 1>already missed everything. As the post ages, the value of

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<v Speaker 1>the post decreases. So when you log into Facebook or

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<v Speaker 1>open the Facebook app or whatever, this algorithm would run

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<v Speaker 1>with your particular situation in mind. It would scan through

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<v Speaker 1>all the stuff that had been posted by the friends

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<v Speaker 1>you have and the brands you follow since your last session,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it would select and rank or order those

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<v Speaker 1>status updates that you would see in your news feed

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<v Speaker 1>based off of those criteria. But this would also mean

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<v Speaker 1>you would miss out on stuff. No longer would you

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<v Speaker 1>be able to see everything that all of your friends

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<v Speaker 1>were doing, listed in reverse chronological order. In fact, at times,

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<v Speaker 1>chronology didn't have anything to do with the order in

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<v Speaker 1>which status updates would appear on your news feed. A

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<v Speaker 1>post several hours old might appear above one that was

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<v Speaker 1>posted just five minutes before you logged in, all because

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<v Speaker 1>of those other factors. For some Facebook users, including me

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, this was really frustrating. It made us

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<v Speaker 1>feel as though we were missing out on stuff our

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<v Speaker 1>friends were saying because we were. I found it particularly

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<v Speaker 1>irre tating because I wasn't one to frequently engage with updates.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't like a lot of them, and I wouldn't comment.

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<v Speaker 1>A ton of times. I would read everything, but I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't interacting with it, So the algorithm wasn't getting a

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<v Speaker 1>really good idea of who my good friends were versus

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<v Speaker 1>like people who are my acquaintances. So it meant that

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<v Speaker 1>some people who were my closest friends in reality were

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<v Speaker 1>not the ones that I was seeing, you know, being

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<v Speaker 1>active on Facebook. Even if they were, I just wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>seeing those posts. And my case was not unusual. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people went through this and and then I

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<v Speaker 1>missed stuff, sometimes big stuff like an engagement announcement or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Edge rank was just the beginning, and actually that particular

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<v Speaker 1>algorithm didn't stick around that long in the grand scheme

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<v Speaker 1>of things. By late within Facebook, no one was really

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<v Speaker 1>using the term edge rank anymore because they had moved

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<v Speaker 1>towards a more sophisticated machine learning based algorithm. This one

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<v Speaker 1>was far more sophisticated than edge rank. It was not

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<v Speaker 1>limited to just those three main factors, although they were

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<v Speaker 1>still components within the algorithm. Instead, according to Lar's Backstrom,

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<v Speaker 1>who was the engineering manager for the news feed ranking

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, this new one used somewhere in the

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood of one hundred thousand weights to determine what users

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<v Speaker 1>would see and in which order. Now you would think

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<v Speaker 1>that with that many weights it would be hard to

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<v Speaker 1>gain the system, but you'd be wrong. Now, a couple

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<v Speaker 1>other things I want to mention before we go to break.

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<v Speaker 1>One of those is that, yes, there was an option

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<v Speaker 1>still is to try and list things in most recent

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to what is most relevant or whatever Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>thinks is most relevant, except that you're not really seeing

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<v Speaker 1>everything that way. Either. You're not getting the most recent

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<v Speaker 1>reverse chronological list of all of your friends activities. It's

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<v Speaker 1>still a selection of what your friends are posting, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a selection that the algorithm has determined is the

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<v Speaker 1>most relevant for you. It's just that they'll be listed

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<v Speaker 1>in reverse order instead of kind of that haphazard all

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<v Speaker 1>over the place method. But the fact is you're still

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<v Speaker 1>not seeing everything, which still frustrates a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>And when we come back we'll talk about the algorithm,

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<v Speaker 1>how people have used the creative approach to game the system,

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<v Speaker 1>and some unintended consequences that algorithm has led to. But

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<v Speaker 1>first let's take a quick break. So we're at the

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<v Speaker 1>point where an algorithm starts to serve up content catered

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<v Speaker 1>to each individual Facebook user, and the goal was always

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<v Speaker 1>the same from the very beginning keep people engaged, which

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<v Speaker 1>really just means keep people on Facebook for longer. And

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<v Speaker 1>this gets to Facebook's method of generating revenue. Facebook's primary

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<v Speaker 1>source of revenue is through advertising. And when I say primary,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Investopedia, advertising accounts for ent of Facebook's revenue,

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<v Speaker 1>which for Q three was twenty one point five billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Wholly cal princely some doesn't even begin to cover it.

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook sales ad space to various companies to serve up

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<v Speaker 1>advertising to Facebook's users, so they're essentially think of it

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<v Speaker 1>like a billboard. Facebook is like a giant billboard, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's a very special billboard. It's incredibly valuable. There's another

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<v Speaker 1>component to this I'll touch on later, which revolves around

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<v Speaker 1>targeted advertising, but let's just stick with the basic value

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<v Speaker 1>proposition here. So Facebook has space on its apps and

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<v Speaker 1>its pages, and in that space ace it has the

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<v Speaker 1>ability to show ads that they could be on the side,

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<v Speaker 1>they can be fed into the news feed as well,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're kind of interspersed along with the status updates

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<v Speaker 1>from friends and stuff. Uh. The longer that people use

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook per any given session, the more ads they will

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<v Speaker 1>encounter as they interact with Facebook, which also means that

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<v Speaker 1>they could potentially interact with the ads. So part of

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<v Speaker 1>what Facebook really needs to do is to find ways

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<v Speaker 1>to convince people to spend as much time as possible

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<v Speaker 1>on Facebook. In this use case, time really is money.

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<v Speaker 1>Greater engagement doesn't just mean more opportunities to see ads,

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<v Speaker 1>it also means that Facebook can demonstrate its own value

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<v Speaker 1>to advertisers and thus command higher prices. To put it

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<v Speaker 1>another way, let's say you own a few billboards around town.

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<v Speaker 1>Since I've already mentioned them, so let's say you have

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<v Speaker 1>a billboard that is on a back road and that

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<v Speaker 1>gets just a little bit of traffic every day, and

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<v Speaker 1>you happen to own another billboard space which is on

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<v Speaker 1>a much more heavily used road that goes right into

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<v Speaker 1>the heart of town. The rates that you would be

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<v Speaker 1>able to charge for the back road billboard are probably

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be a lot lower than what you can command

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<v Speaker 1>with the heavily traveled thoroughfare. More folks are going to

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<v Speaker 1>see that second billboard, which makes it more valuable. On

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<v Speaker 1>a similar front, if Facebook can show numbers that indicate

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<v Speaker 1>that more than two billion people are spending more and

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<v Speaker 1>more time on Facebook, it can command higher prices for advertising.

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<v Speaker 1>Add companies and their clients want to be where the

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<v Speaker 1>eyeballs are, and Facebook fits the bill nicely. So with

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<v Speaker 1>that in mind, the real purpose of the algorithm ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>is to serve up stuff to users that will keep

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<v Speaker 1>them on Facebook longer and convince them to come back

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<v Speaker 1>to Facebook frequently. Now, some of the things that will

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<v Speaker 1>bring people back fall online with a few of the

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<v Speaker 1>ideas that Drank demonstrated. If you logged onto Facebook but

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<v Speaker 1>you only ever saw posts from people you only kind

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<v Speaker 1>of sort of know, and you always missed out on

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<v Speaker 1>the posts from your close friends, you probably not find

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<v Speaker 1>it a very satisfying experience. So at least some of

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff you'd be seeing would fall in line with

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff you'd really want to see in the first place,

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<v Speaker 1>But maybe there would be some posts you would really

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<v Speaker 1>like to see, but the algorithm, for whatever reason, doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>judge those as being particularly engaging. Well, the chances are

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<v Speaker 1>more slim that you would see those posts. If you've

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<v Speaker 1>ever posted something to Facebook that you thought was particularly

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<v Speaker 1>important or impactful, but you didn't see very much reaction

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<v Speaker 1>to it, there's a chance that not many people actually

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<v Speaker 1>saw what you posted, So that's a real possibility. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>there's also a chance that they did see it, they

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't care. It's kind of hard to say for

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<v Speaker 1>any given post, but it's entirely possible for you to

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<v Speaker 1>post something that people would have reacted to. They just

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<v Speaker 1>never saw it, so they never got the chance to.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's say someone in your circle posts something and

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<v Speaker 1>it starts to catch on. Maybe it's someone in your

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<v Speaker 1>circle that you don't interact with much, so usually you

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<v Speaker 1>don't see very much from them on Facebook. But for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever reason, this particular post that they made is getting

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of interaction from other friends, which means the

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<v Speaker 1>algorithm might say, hey, this post is really taking off

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people are interacting with it, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to serve it up to even more people, including you,

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<v Speaker 1>who usually wouldn't see such things. From this particular distant friend. So,

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<v Speaker 1>in other words, posts that get a lot of engagement,

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<v Speaker 1>that being reactions and comments and shares and that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff, they tend to rise above other posts. Engagement

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have to be positive either. It's not really important

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<v Speaker 1>to Facebook if the stuff you see makes you happy

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<v Speaker 1>or unhappy, or if the stuff you see is true

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<v Speaker 1>or if it's false. What matters to Facebook is that

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<v Speaker 1>you spend as much time on the platform as they

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<v Speaker 1>can coax from you, and that you feel the need

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<v Speaker 1>to return to Facebook frequently. Maybe it turns out you

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<v Speaker 1>rage posts on Facebook a lot. Maybe you see stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that you vehemently disagree with, so you post lengthy comments,

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<v Speaker 1>or you share a post you don't agree with, but

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<v Speaker 1>you do so in an effort to put your own

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<v Speaker 1>spin on the thesis of the original post, or to

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<v Speaker 1>criticize it in some way. Your motivations or goals are

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<v Speaker 1>not important to Facebook. The company could not care less.

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<v Speaker 1>The platform just once your time. Well, that's being a

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<v Speaker 1>bit too reductive. Facebook also wants your posts to inspire

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<v Speaker 1>other people to engage using their own comments, likes, and shares,

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<v Speaker 1>so that they get their time too. That's really it.

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<v Speaker 1>They want everyone's time, not just yours. I'm sure most

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<v Speaker 1>of you already see where this becomes an issue. As

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<v Speaker 1>we've heard for a few years now, Facebook has become

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<v Speaker 1>a hotbed for misinformation and disinformation, something that Facebook founder

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Zuckerberg has tried to avoid addressing for years. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a saying that's frequently misattributed to Mark Twain that says

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<v Speaker 1>a lie can travel halfway around the world while the

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<v Speaker 1>truth is still putting on its shoes. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of fitting that Twain is often cited as the

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<v Speaker 1>originator of the saying, but the truth of the matter

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<v Speaker 1>is that it predates him. It might have been the

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<v Speaker 1>product of Jonathan Swift, but we don't really know. But

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<v Speaker 1>the saying is apt. Misinformation is not saddled with the

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<v Speaker 1>heavy burden of being, you know. True misinformation can tap

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<v Speaker 1>into biases and preconceptions. It can reinforce the beliefs we hold,

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<v Speaker 1>whether they're positive or negative, even if those beliefs have

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<v Speaker 1>no real basis in reality. And if we feel that

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<v Speaker 1>our beliefs are validated, we're more likely to engage and

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<v Speaker 1>share those posts and to feel reinforced in it to

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<v Speaker 1>do more, to continue sharing that kind of stuff. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen examples of this across different ideologies. The narrative

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<v Speaker 1>we frequently see here in the United States is how

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<v Speaker 1>right wing misinformation will spread across Facebook, and that that

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<v Speaker 1>certainly does happen, but I've also seen it happen for

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<v Speaker 1>people who have a left leaning ideology. For example, if

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<v Speaker 1>a post indicates that someone with a right wing philosophy

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<v Speaker 1>has done or said something terrible, that can spread rapidly

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<v Speaker 1>across Facebook. But often you can do a little fact

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<v Speaker 1>checking and find out that there's no actual evidence that

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<v Speaker 1>such a thing was ever said or done by that person.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen this happen multiple times, So what I'm getting

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<v Speaker 1>at is that no one is immune. That being said,

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<v Speaker 1>certain groups, particularly those catering to more right wing audiences,

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<v Speaker 1>have really pounced on the opportunity more than others have.

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<v Speaker 1>And again I'm not saying left leaning organizations and people

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<v Speaker 1>haven't done the same thing. They just haven't been as

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<v Speaker 1>fast to jump on it, and it's less common they

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<v Speaker 1>don't do it as much. Right now, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty fair to say that no ethical organization or person

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<v Speaker 1>would want to perpetuate misinformation or create disinformation. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a form of manipulation to get people to support something

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<v Speaker 1>without having to go to the trouble of actually really

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<v Speaker 1>giving evidence that that point of view is the best one.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're using lies to get people to support you, that's,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not great. But on Facebook that sort of

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<v Speaker 1>thing can really take off, and as a post gets

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<v Speaker 1>traction with people sharing it or commenting on it, or

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<v Speaker 1>reacting to it, whether positively or negatively, Facebook will start

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<v Speaker 1>serving that content to progressively larger audiences. And you can

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<v Speaker 1>think of this as like ripples in a pond. That

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<v Speaker 1>initial circle of a ripple that's really small, right, But

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<v Speaker 1>let's say that that circle represents a certain group of

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<v Speaker 1>users and they react very strongly to that content. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook will then expand that to the next circle outward

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<v Speaker 1>to affect a larger group of users, and if the

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<v Speaker 1>trend continues, it just keeps getting bigger and bigger. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>while this has been an issue with Facebook for ages,

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<v Speaker 1>we really saw it come under scrutiny in when it

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<v Speaker 1>became clear that Russian operatives were leveraging Facebook to manipulate

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<v Speaker 1>Americans and spread disinformation, particularly when they came to politics.

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<v Speaker 1>Complicating matters are fake Facebook accounts also known as bot accounts.

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<v Speaker 1>These accounts don't represent actual users, but rather are part

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<v Speaker 1>of larger systems designed to amplify the signal of certain messages.

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<v Speaker 1>Every content creator out there would love for every post

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<v Speaker 1>they make to go viral, that is, to become the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of thing that tons of people see and share

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<v Speaker 1>with others. Making viral content is pretty darn hard to

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<v Speaker 1>do on purpose. Often the stuff happens organically, then it

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<v Speaker 1>becomes difficult or even impossible to recapture that same magic

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<v Speaker 1>on subsequent efforts. I'm sure you can think of lots

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<v Speaker 1>of famous viral videos from people that never seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>pop up again afterward, or if they did, it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have nearly the same effect. There countless examples of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But by creating lots of fake accounts, you can amplify

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<v Speaker 1>a message. You can get that effect of a viral

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<v Speaker 1>breakout because you're manipulating the system. You're using bots that

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<v Speaker 1>are either all blasting out the same post at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, which is actually really easy to detect. You

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<v Speaker 1>can often see this on Twitter, where you'll find the

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<v Speaker 1>exact same message posted by a bunch of seemingly disconnected

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter accounts, which indicates they're all bots that are coming

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<v Speaker 1>out of the same source, or more likely, you would

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<v Speaker 1>have the bots interacting with a post and sharing that

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<v Speaker 1>post and liking the post, thus amplifying the post's importance

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<v Speaker 1>on Facebook in general and making it more visible as

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<v Speaker 1>a result. Now, the visibility is one thing, but that

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<v Speaker 1>interaction also creates a perception among the real humans who

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<v Speaker 1>are using Facebook that that original post must have merit.

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<v Speaker 1>If you look at a post and you see that

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<v Speaker 1>it has thousands of reactions connected to it, you're more

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<v Speaker 1>likely to pay attention and perhaps even take that post

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<v Speaker 1>to heart. You know that that has a certain cash

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<v Speaker 1>a that that social acceptance of a piece. And by

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<v Speaker 1>lots of fake accounts, I really do mean lots. Last

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<v Speaker 1>year in twenty nineteen, Facebook announced it had shut down

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<v Speaker 1>more than three billion fake accounts over the course of

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<v Speaker 1>half a year, three billion in six months. Even after that,

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook estimated that somewhere around five of all accounts still

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<v Speaker 1>on Facebook we're actually bots. Considering Facebook has more than

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<v Speaker 1>two billion users, five percent represents a lot of fake accounts. Now,

0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:35.560
<v Speaker 1>this doesn't mean that every user is going to see

0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:39.480
<v Speaker 1>the posts that get that kind of engagement. The algorithm

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<v Speaker 1>is taking a lot more into account, for example, the

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<v Speaker 1>types of pages you like on the platform. That matters.

0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:48.720
<v Speaker 1>If you like a lot of pages that have a

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<v Speaker 1>more left leaning slant, you know, stuff that falls into

0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:56.560
<v Speaker 1>like progressive politics, that category, you're less likely to see

0:30:56.920 --> 0:31:00.479
<v Speaker 1>really hard right leaning posts as a rule, and in

0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:04.320
<v Speaker 1>this way, Facebook can become a true echo chamber. The

0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:07.400
<v Speaker 1>platform again wants to keep you there as long as possible,

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:12.080
<v Speaker 1>as many times as possible, so the algorithm is prioritizing

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 1>content that it calculates has the best chance of keeping

0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 1>you on Facebook. If they drive you away, they've done

0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:23.720
<v Speaker 1>the wrong thing, at least as far as Facebook's revenue

0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 1>generating plan goes. Facebook's crackdown on fake accounts was part

0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:32.320
<v Speaker 1>of a larger effort to address the problems with misinformation

0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:35.760
<v Speaker 1>that we're growing concerning enough for the US Congress to

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<v Speaker 1>call Zuckerberg to Washington, d C. To answer questions about

0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:43.480
<v Speaker 1>fake news and the like. Zuckerberg had long maintained that

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't want Facebook to get into the business of

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<v Speaker 1>arbitrating which bits of information were legit and which ones

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:53.360
<v Speaker 1>represented misinformation, as kind of this idea of it's the

0:31:53.480 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 1>free market of ideas all ideas are are given equal platforms,

0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:02.560
<v Speaker 1>And you can sort of understand his reasoning from a

0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:06.959
<v Speaker 1>business perspective, because all that engagement really meant money for

0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:10.640
<v Speaker 1>his company. But with Facebook under scrutiny and criticism, there

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:13.880
<v Speaker 1>was a very real danger of the platform being seen

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:19.160
<v Speaker 1>as a toxic place for advertisers. Companies that aren't too

0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 1>keen on getting looped in with content that falls in

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:25.280
<v Speaker 1>with radical ideology, we're getting nervous, and in fact, in

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:30.120
<v Speaker 1>we've seen advertisers boycott Facebook for various reasons, some of

0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:34.280
<v Speaker 1>which relating back to Facebook's failure to address things like

0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:39.479
<v Speaker 1>groups that are radicalizing individuals, that sort of stuff. So

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<v Speaker 1>it does have an impact. Shutting down body accounts was

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<v Speaker 1>one way to diminish the spread of misinformation on Facebook

0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:50.840
<v Speaker 1>without actually taking the additional step of Facebook becoming a

0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:55.520
<v Speaker 1>judge of what is and isn't legit information. But that

0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:58.600
<v Speaker 1>wasn't quite enough to satisfy critics who are pointing out

0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 1>that people were using face to spread false narratives and

0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 1>to mislead people and to manipulate large populations, while Facebook

0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:08.360
<v Speaker 1>meanwhile just raking in the profits from all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, a recent article in The New York Times

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<v Speaker 1>titled on Facebook, misinformation is more popular now than in

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<v Speaker 1>Reporter Davey Alba shared research from the German Martial Fund

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<v Speaker 1>Digital which found that people were sharing, liking, and commenting

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<v Speaker 1>on three times as many articles from outlets that regularly

0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:35.120
<v Speaker 1>published misinformation in than they were back in ten. So

0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:38.120
<v Speaker 1>we're actually seeing more of it today. That's not a

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:41.680
<v Speaker 1>great trend there, and it's another indication that Facebook is

0:33:41.760 --> 0:33:45.960
<v Speaker 1>reluctant to intervene in this and as Karen Cornbla, the

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<v Speaker 1>director of the research firm, would say, counteracting this trend

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<v Speaker 1>quote just runs against their economic incentives. In the quote,

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<v Speaker 1>when we come back, it gets worse. But first let's

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<v Speaker 1>take another quick break. So I mentioned before the break

0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:14.880
<v Speaker 1>that it gets worse, and early in this episode I

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<v Speaker 1>alluded to the concept of targeted advertising, and this gets

0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:23.920
<v Speaker 1>into another aspect of algorithms on Facebook that can be harmful. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So the basic idea behind targeted advertising is really simple,

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<v Speaker 1>and the goal is to get the right ads in

0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:33.920
<v Speaker 1>front of the right people. The goal is always to

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:37.320
<v Speaker 1>increase the odds that someone is going to act upon

0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:41.359
<v Speaker 1>that ad. Otherwise advertising is just throwing money away, right,

0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:45.560
<v Speaker 1>So going back to my billboard example from earlier, there's

0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:48.520
<v Speaker 1>only so much targeting you can do with billboards. Now,

0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 1>you might choose to put up an add on a

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:53.120
<v Speaker 1>billboard that's in a part of town that most closely

0:34:53.239 --> 0:34:57.760
<v Speaker 1>matches the demographic of your average customer, Meaning the people

0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:00.960
<v Speaker 1>that you cater to happen to live in a certain

0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:03.000
<v Speaker 1>part of town, so it makes more sense to put

0:35:03.000 --> 0:35:05.560
<v Speaker 1>your billboard in that part of town. But that's a

0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 1>pretty primitive approach to targeted advertising. Facebook provides a laser focused,

0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 1>individual precision approach. Every user activity on Facebook gives Facebook

0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:21.440
<v Speaker 1>more information about the the user in question and what

0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:25.760
<v Speaker 1>they like, which is obvious, but we need to start there.

0:35:25.840 --> 0:35:29.320
<v Speaker 1>So the pages that you visit on Facebook, the posts

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:32.600
<v Speaker 1>you interact with on Facebook, the general information in your

0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:37.160
<v Speaker 1>profile like your birth date, your location, your relationship status,

0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:41.040
<v Speaker 1>all of these are valuable pieces of information. You can

0:35:41.080 --> 0:35:44.920
<v Speaker 1>actually go into Facebook's settings and the ad preferences page

0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:48.760
<v Speaker 1>and you can see what Facebook has deduced about you.

0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:51.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, the company will list out what it thinks

0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:54.719
<v Speaker 1>your interests are, so you can see, oh, this is

0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:57.200
<v Speaker 1>why I'm getting all of those ads for such and such.

0:35:57.239 --> 0:36:00.920
<v Speaker 1>It's because Facebook thinks I'm really interested in that. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>when I was first getting into exercising, which I really

0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:08.120
<v Speaker 1>need to get back to. Uh, Facebook would serve me

0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:11.719
<v Speaker 1>up all these ads for things like muscle enhancement, protein

0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:15.879
<v Speaker 1>shake things. They're all these insanely buff dudes popping up

0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:18.959
<v Speaker 1>on my Facebook profile news feed, and I was like, well,

0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, good on you guys. You've done some great work.

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:25.320
<v Speaker 1>But that's not really it's not really my jam. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>that that is one way that Facebook starts to build

0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:30.600
<v Speaker 1>out information on you. But that's just the tip of

0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:35.839
<v Speaker 1>the iceberg. Facebook also has marketing partners, a lot of

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:40.360
<v Speaker 1>marketing partners, and these partners are also collecting information about

0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:43.480
<v Speaker 1>the people who are visiting their pages and their habits,

0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:47.319
<v Speaker 1>including stuff like what items people might have purchased or

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 1>perhaps just searched for or looked at. Like think of

0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:54.040
<v Speaker 1>something that you've searched for, maybe on a site like Amazon,

0:36:54.680 --> 0:36:56.840
<v Speaker 1>and you're looking at stuff you haven't pulled the trigger

0:36:56.880 --> 0:37:00.560
<v Speaker 1>on buying anything yet, but you're just kind of comparison shopping. Well,

0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:04.160
<v Speaker 1>these sort of partners share that data back with Facebook,

0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:08.960
<v Speaker 1>and then Facebook can leverage that information and target specific

0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:12.600
<v Speaker 1>ads to you based on what you've been doing off

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 1>of Facebook in other parts of the web. So if

0:37:15.200 --> 0:37:17.439
<v Speaker 1>you ever done a search for something like an air

0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:20.440
<v Speaker 1>fryer and then you notice that whenever you go to

0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:24.200
<v Speaker 1>Facebook you're seeing ads for air fryers and other kitchen

0:37:24.239 --> 0:37:28.200
<v Speaker 1>gadgets just in your news feed, that's what's going on now.

0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:30.280
<v Speaker 1>I saw this happen a lot when I was shopping

0:37:30.280 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 1>around for a guitar. Every time I would log onto Facebook,

0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I would see a ton of ads for various music shops,

0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:39.759
<v Speaker 1>some of which were clearly scams. There's a lot of

0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:42.480
<v Speaker 1>that on Facebook. Whether you'll see an ad for you know,

0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:44.239
<v Speaker 1>you'll see an ad for something that looks like an

0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:49.640
<v Speaker 1>incredible product, something there's phenomenal, amazing mask or costume piece,

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:54.600
<v Speaker 1>or you know, a special kit that seems to be

0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:58.120
<v Speaker 1>catered right to your interests, and more than that, it's

0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:00.520
<v Speaker 1>an unbelievably low price, like this is gonna be for

0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:02.840
<v Speaker 1>forty bucks. You're like, wow, that would normally be hundreds

0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 1>of dollars. Well, this falls into the general category of

0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:09.000
<v Speaker 1>if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:12.200
<v Speaker 1>A lot of these company pages are really just fronts

0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:17.400
<v Speaker 1>for stores that sell cheap knockoffs, often with huge shipping

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:19.480
<v Speaker 1>costs because a lot of them are located in places

0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:22.600
<v Speaker 1>like China. So you order the thing that looks incredible,

0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:24.480
<v Speaker 1>you're like, wow, this would normally set me back a

0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:27.759
<v Speaker 1>grant and they're asking for forty bucks. And then if

0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:30.759
<v Speaker 1>you do get a product it doesn't resemble what you

0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 1>were promised. You end up getting a super cheap knockoff

0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:36.480
<v Speaker 1>of whatever it was you were ordering it. But the

0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:40.760
<v Speaker 1>expense of returning that product would be so much higher

0:38:40.840 --> 0:38:44.439
<v Speaker 1>because of shipping costs, that it would not make any

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:46.560
<v Speaker 1>sense to return it. You would still be out more

0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:49.600
<v Speaker 1>money by returning the product, so you just kind of

0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:51.719
<v Speaker 1>suck it up. But that's kind of a tangent. Let's

0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:55.759
<v Speaker 1>let's get back to targeting now. After some criticism, Facebook

0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:58.600
<v Speaker 1>has made it possible for people to tweak their settings

0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:02.839
<v Speaker 1>on the platform to bit targeted advertising, So you can

0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:05.080
<v Speaker 1>change things so that the ads you get are more

0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:08.960
<v Speaker 1>general and they're no longer hinging upon your identity or

0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:13.080
<v Speaker 1>your behaviors. Not that Facebook isn't still collecting of these information.

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:16.120
<v Speaker 1>They are, it's just you're not seeing it in the

0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:20.040
<v Speaker 1>effect of the advertising that appears on Facebook. But it's

0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:22.520
<v Speaker 1>not always easy to spot these settings, and a lot

0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:24.719
<v Speaker 1>of people just never bother to even check into it.

0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:28.279
<v Speaker 1>And that suits Facebook just fine, because remember when I

0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:32.399
<v Speaker 1>said Facebook can charge more for ads because of their

0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:35.319
<v Speaker 1>high engagement, the fact that people spend so much time

0:39:35.320 --> 0:39:39.080
<v Speaker 1>on Facebook. That gets boosted even more when Facebook can

0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:43.080
<v Speaker 1>tell an advertiser that they're able to put their ads

0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:45.440
<v Speaker 1>in front of the people who are most likely to

0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:48.560
<v Speaker 1>respond to those ads. So not only are people spending

0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:52.640
<v Speaker 1>more time on the platform, Facebook can tell the advertisers

0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:55.200
<v Speaker 1>you want to you want to target this specific person

0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:58.759
<v Speaker 1>because they're the one most likely to respond to your ad. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>let me be clear, this doesn't have to be a

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:05.600
<v Speaker 1>bad thing necessarily. I mean, you might end up seeing

0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:08.760
<v Speaker 1>ads that are really relevant to you and they could

0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:11.600
<v Speaker 1>be really helpful. Maybe you would see something that you

0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:14.719
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have come across otherwise. But it can also come

0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:18.480
<v Speaker 1>across as really invasive or creeping. But now let's go

0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:21.959
<v Speaker 1>to something that is just a bad thing. Period See

0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:25.920
<v Speaker 1>targeting ads to get your most likely customer. Sounds fairly

0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:28.760
<v Speaker 1>on the up and up, except the practice can also

0:40:28.800 --> 0:40:33.640
<v Speaker 1>be discriminatory. For example, let's say there's a big company

0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:38.000
<v Speaker 1>and they own upscale apartment complexes in different cities, and

0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:41.000
<v Speaker 1>this company wants to advertise on Facebook because it's opening

0:40:41.080 --> 0:40:44.360
<v Speaker 1>up a brand new apartment building. And in the process,

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:48.640
<v Speaker 1>the company specifically opts to show the ad only to

0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:54.440
<v Speaker 1>white people, because that's something Facebook used to allow advertisers

0:40:54.480 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 1>to do. Facebook was allowing for racial discrimination in advertising. Now,

0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:04.000
<v Speaker 1>if you took a bird's eye view of these practices,

0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:08.319
<v Speaker 1>you would see some really ugly trends here. Ads for

0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:12.880
<v Speaker 1>companies that were hiring fast food workers were disproportionately directed

0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:17.480
<v Speaker 1>towards black users. Ads for companies hiring cleaners or nurses

0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:24.160
<v Speaker 1>disproportionately targeted women users. The practice was reinforcing disparities in

0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:29.799
<v Speaker 1>the job market. It was perpetuating and and and heightening

0:41:30.000 --> 0:41:34.759
<v Speaker 1>these disparities. It was an effect making things worse. And

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:38.920
<v Speaker 1>this practice first came to light way back in sixteen,

0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:43.520
<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't until twenty nineteen that Facebook was dealing

0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:46.720
<v Speaker 1>with a lawsuit and the company promised that it would

0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:51.840
<v Speaker 1>end the practice. The announcement also wasn't exactly transparent. In

0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:55.120
<v Speaker 1>a post, the Facebook for Business division said that it

0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:58.239
<v Speaker 1>was removing the option as part of its quote efforts

0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:02.520
<v Speaker 1>to simplify and stream line are targeting options end quote,

0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:07.440
<v Speaker 1>and that it would be quote removing multicultural affinity segments

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:11.520
<v Speaker 1>and encouraging advertisers to use other targeting options such as

0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:17.880
<v Speaker 1>language or culture end quote. Multicultural affinity segments was the

0:42:17.960 --> 0:42:23.080
<v Speaker 1>euphemism the company used to essentially talk about racial discrimination now.

0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:27.600
<v Speaker 1>According to a Facebook insider named Kion Lvy, team members

0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:31.520
<v Speaker 1>within Facebook had been pushing for the removal of these

0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:36.800
<v Speaker 1>factors for advertisers for more than three years. In addition,

0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:40.399
<v Speaker 1>it's not the only discrimination that people have faced when

0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:44.080
<v Speaker 1>it comes to trying to do advertising on Facebook. One

0:42:44.080 --> 0:42:47.040
<v Speaker 1>thing I didn't touch on earlier in this episode is

0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 1>how brands have been affected by the various tweaks to

0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:54.080
<v Speaker 1>the news feed algorithm and the news feed itself. Brands

0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:57.160
<v Speaker 1>can make pages, and users can visit the pages, and

0:42:57.160 --> 0:42:59.840
<v Speaker 1>they can like those pages. And in the old days,

0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:04.040
<v Speaker 1>if a business posted to their page, then that update

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<v Speaker 1>would go out to a decent number of the followers

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<v Speaker 1>who had liked that page. But Facebook tweaked the news

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<v Speaker 1>feed a couple of times, and each time it would

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<v Speaker 1>affect the organic reach of a business's post. So, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a text of Facebook page. I think. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I quit Facebook a couple of weeks ago, so

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I assume it's still there, but it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>updated frequently. And I'll be up front with you why

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<v Speaker 1>that is because there wasn't much point to updating the

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook page due to the way the news feedworks. Posting

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<v Speaker 1>to the text off page would mean only a small

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<v Speaker 1>fraction of the people who were actually following that page

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<v Speaker 1>would even see the update. So if a thousand people

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<v Speaker 1>had liked the page, maybe only ten of them get

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<v Speaker 1>the update. That's not a good return on investment. So

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<v Speaker 1>ostensibly this was on an effort to deliver a better

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<v Speaker 1>experience to users. You know, Zuckerberg always positioned this as

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<v Speaker 1>saying the ideas they wanted the users to see more

0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:14.160
<v Speaker 1>posts from the actual people they know, their friends and family,

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<v Speaker 1>and fewer posts from businesses and media outlets, even though

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<v Speaker 1>we should remember these were outlets and businesses that users

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<v Speaker 1>had gone to and liked on Facebook, so presumably the

0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:34.799
<v Speaker 1>posts from those entities were things that the users were

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<v Speaker 1>interested in the first place. But what was really going

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<v Speaker 1>on here was that Facebook was creating a market for itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Why give away free access to users when you can

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<v Speaker 1>create an incentive for businesses to pay for promoted posts,

0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:53.960
<v Speaker 1>and that's what was really going on here. Facebook had

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<v Speaker 1>created a system where brands felt the necessity for creating

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<v Speaker 1>a Facebook page, and you had to have a face

0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:04.040
<v Speaker 1>fcebook page. There are two billion people on Facebook, so

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<v Speaker 1>you want to be where the people are, you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>have a Facebook page. But to reach a significant percentage

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<v Speaker 1>of the people who have actually gone to that page

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<v Speaker 1>and liked it, you would also have to pay for

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<v Speaker 1>that privilege. Now, I'm not going to argue against Facebook's

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<v Speaker 1>strategy here. It kind of stinks if you happen to

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<v Speaker 1>run a brand. But from Facebook's perspective, I can understand

0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:29.200
<v Speaker 1>the reasoning. So while it kind of is tough if

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<v Speaker 1>you're someone who's trying to reach your fans, uh, from

0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Facebook's perspective, I get the I get the idea, I

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<v Speaker 1>get the business case. However, that discrimination that we would

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<v Speaker 1>see directed toward users would creep in again, this time

0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:48.840
<v Speaker 1>towards advertisers. There's a band called Unsung Lily, which is

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<v Speaker 1>an independent pop band. It's headed by a same sex couple,

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<v Speaker 1>Frankie and Sarah Golding Young. These two are attempting to

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<v Speaker 1>promote an album on Facebook this year, in because, like

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<v Speaker 1>I think pretty much everyone in the world, the pandemic

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<v Speaker 1>changed all of their plans for the year. They wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be able to tour, they wouldn't be able to market

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<v Speaker 1>their album the way they would typically do so, and

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<v Speaker 1>so they decided to run and add on Facebook. But

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<v Speaker 1>they also knew that if they relied solely on posting

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<v Speaker 1>the the ad to the band's page, like if they

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<v Speaker 1>just made a post on their fan page, the way

0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:31.040
<v Speaker 1>Facebook serves up that kind of stuff means that they

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't reach nearly enough of their fans for it to

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<v Speaker 1>make an impact. So they decided to do it as

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<v Speaker 1>an paid ad instead. So they shot an ad, they

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<v Speaker 1>put it together, they edited it, they submitted it. They

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<v Speaker 1>received a rejection, and under the reason why the ad

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<v Speaker 1>had been rejected, it said that the ad contained inappropriate

0:46:51.760 --> 0:46:57.280
<v Speaker 1>sexually explicit content, except it didn't. What it did feature

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<v Speaker 1>was an image of Sarah and Frank Key leaning into

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<v Speaker 1>each other with their foreheads touching, kind of just an

0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:09.640
<v Speaker 1>image of affection. There was nothing remotely sexual or explicit

0:47:09.880 --> 0:47:15.200
<v Speaker 1>about this photograph. Now, the rejection notice didn't specify that

0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:18.879
<v Speaker 1>the image was the reason for the rejection, so they

0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:21.040
<v Speaker 1>decided they would run a test to see if, in

0:47:21.120 --> 0:47:24.960
<v Speaker 1>fact that was the problem. First, they submitted an AD

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<v Speaker 1>that had all the same content as the original piece,

0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:32.680
<v Speaker 1>only with this one image swapped out for a quote

0:47:32.719 --> 0:47:38.240
<v Speaker 1>unquote non romantic picture of the couple boom Facebook excepts

0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:43.160
<v Speaker 1>the ad. To follow that up, they also submitted another ad.

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<v Speaker 1>They still used the same video, the same copy, but

0:47:46.600 --> 0:47:50.200
<v Speaker 1>they got a heterosexual couple making the same pose that

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<v Speaker 1>they had made with the two four heads together, so

0:47:52.680 --> 0:47:56.160
<v Speaker 1>it's a man and a woman foreheads touching. They just

0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:59.960
<v Speaker 1>used that to replace their own image. Boom Facebook except

0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:03.239
<v Speaker 1>that ad too. Okay, so I guess I don't have

0:48:03.280 --> 0:48:06.960
<v Speaker 1>to explain that this is a really bad thing. The

0:48:07.000 --> 0:48:11.160
<v Speaker 1>fact that Facebook ads deemed a heterosexual display of affection

0:48:11.680 --> 0:48:15.600
<v Speaker 1>as perfectly acceptable and the same sex display of the

0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:21.280
<v Speaker 1>exact same act of affection as offensive is beyond infuriating.

0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:25.920
<v Speaker 1>The band contacted the American Civil Liberties Union, which facilitated

0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:28.719
<v Speaker 1>some communication with Facebook. Facebook said, oh, no, no, no no,

0:48:28.880 --> 0:48:31.920
<v Speaker 1>this whole thing was a mistake. And besides, the actual

0:48:31.960 --> 0:48:35.319
<v Speaker 1>objectionable part wasn't that photograph. It was because of some

0:48:35.400 --> 0:48:39.520
<v Speaker 1>of the dancing those in the video. But again, Facebook

0:48:39.600 --> 0:48:43.600
<v Speaker 1>accepted two versions of the video that contained the dancing,

0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:47.520
<v Speaker 1>It just didn't have that photograph of Sarah and Frankie,

0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:52.440
<v Speaker 1>which seems pretty fishy to me. Meanwhile, the company continues

0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:56.160
<v Speaker 1>to face criticism that it fails to curb truly objectionable

0:48:56.239 --> 0:49:00.279
<v Speaker 1>stuff like hate speech. So hate speech spreads like easy

0:49:00.320 --> 0:49:04.000
<v Speaker 1>on Facebook, but an ad that had a photograph of

0:49:04.239 --> 0:49:09.000
<v Speaker 1>two women with their foreheads together was offensive. There are

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<v Speaker 1>studies that are also showing that black users are disproportionately

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<v Speaker 1>more likely to have their accounts suspended by automated moderating

0:49:16.960 --> 0:49:21.320
<v Speaker 1>systems than white users are, which is another bad algorithm example.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are real concerns that the targeting criteria Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>continues to use exacerbate socioeconomic disparities in the real world.

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<v Speaker 1>None of this is good news. Facebook has been under

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<v Speaker 1>intense scrutiny recently from various governments around the world that

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<v Speaker 1>have all floated variations of the possibility that Facebook could

0:49:45.640 --> 0:49:48.960
<v Speaker 1>face some really big consequences down the road, like getting

0:49:48.960 --> 0:49:51.719
<v Speaker 1>broken up. There are a lot of different entities that

0:49:51.840 --> 0:49:56.160
<v Speaker 1>argue Facebook is a monopoly or is monopolistic, and it's

0:49:56.160 --> 0:50:00.360
<v Speaker 1>pretty clear that Facebook and its incarnation as it exists

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<v Speaker 1>right now really has some big problems to iron out,

0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:08.200
<v Speaker 1>things that are affecting people in a truly negative way.

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<v Speaker 1>These are all parts of the reason why I left Facebook.

0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:16.399
<v Speaker 1>I did so for my own personal reasons, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not advocating that anyone listening to this just go out

0:50:20.040 --> 0:50:22.400
<v Speaker 1>and shut down your account right now. I'm not saying

0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:26.520
<v Speaker 1>that for me that was the right decision. I needed

0:50:26.560 --> 0:50:30.600
<v Speaker 1>to do it for my own mental health, honestly, So

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like this was an important thing to talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>because again, it's those algorithms that, at the end of

0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:42.080
<v Speaker 1>the day, we're really just designed to optimize the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of time people would spend on Facebook and the number

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<v Speaker 1>and quality, or at least the variety of ads that

0:50:47.760 --> 0:50:51.400
<v Speaker 1>they would see while they spent their time there. That

0:50:51.520 --> 0:50:54.719
<v Speaker 1>was really the only thing that mattered to Facebook. It

0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:58.640
<v Speaker 1>was otherwise kind of distanced from any of the content stuff.

0:50:58.760 --> 0:51:02.799
<v Speaker 1>Content was not at all the concern. The concern was

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<v Speaker 1>how long can we keep them there, how many ads

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<v Speaker 1>can we show them, how much money can we get

0:51:07.440 --> 0:51:10.080
<v Speaker 1>for those ads? That was really all that mattered. And

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<v Speaker 1>now we're starting to see when you disassociate the content

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<v Speaker 1>from the approach how that can have a profoundly negative

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<v Speaker 1>impact on the world, and we're trying to get to

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<v Speaker 1>the point where we figure out what to do next.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have the answers um other than I walked away.

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<v Speaker 1>So hopefully people at Facebook will start to come up

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<v Speaker 1>with ways to approach the business from a more ethical

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<v Speaker 1>standpoint that will have less of a negative impact on

0:51:43.520 --> 0:51:45.759
<v Speaker 1>the people who actually use the service, whether it's the

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<v Speaker 1>advertisers or the end users. I certainly hope. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you found this interesting, let me know if you have

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's a specific technology you've always wanted to know

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<v Speaker 1>how it worked. Let me know. The best way to

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<v Speaker 1>that that's a perfect service, but that's a different podcast

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