WEBVTT - Human Rights Attorney Yannick Gill on How Trump’s First 100 Days Affected Marginalized Communities (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Civic Cipher. I'm your host, Ramsy's jaw.

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<v Speaker 2>are having a.

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<v Speaker 1>Wildly informative conversation with a man that we respect and

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<v Speaker 1>that we tap on the shoulder from time to time

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<v Speaker 1>to give us some clarity into the goings on in Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>d C. So be sure to stick around for more

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<v Speaker 1>of the conversation. The one and only Ganet Gill is

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<v Speaker 1>here with us. He is a human rights lawyer and

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<v Speaker 1>based out there in DC, and he's worked with Congress

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<v Speaker 1>with two progressive members of the House of Representatives. He's

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<v Speaker 1>an accomplished human rights advocate defending marginalized people across the

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<v Speaker 1>United States and abroad. And he is dropping some information

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<v Speaker 1>for folks that don't know that need to be informed

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<v Speaker 1>about how vulnerable we are and what we can do

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<v Speaker 1>to push back against those vulnerabilities. But before we have

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<v Speaker 1>any more discussion, time to Beaba become a better allied.

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<v Speaker 1>Baba and today's Baba. We want to shout out universities

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<v Speaker 1>that are pushing back against the Trump Administration's attack on diversity,

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<v Speaker 1>equity and inclusion initiatives. I'll share from the economic time.

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<v Speaker 1>Several leading US universities have quietly formed a private collective

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<v Speaker 1>to push back against the Trump Administration's efforts to control

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<v Speaker 1>research funding and academic policies.

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<v Speaker 2>According to The.

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<v Speaker 1>Wall Street Journal, the group, made up of about ten

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<v Speaker 1>prestigious institutions, including Ivy League schools and major private research universities,

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<v Speaker 1>has been meeting privately to planned strategies. Their discussions intensified

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<v Speaker 1>after the administration presented Harvard University with a list of

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<v Speaker 1>demands viewed widely across academia as a threat to university autonomy.

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<v Speaker 1>The collective includes university presidents, trustees, and other senior leaders.

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<v Speaker 1>They have discussed setting clear boundaries for negotiations with the

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<v Speaker 1>government and have prepared for different scenarios if funding is

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<v Speaker 1>cut or regulations are tightened. The goal is to prevent

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<v Speaker 1>individual schools from making separate deals that could set precedents

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<v Speaker 1>affecting the entire sector.

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<v Speaker 2>Is familiar with the efforts, said.

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<v Speaker 1>The Trump administration has used the threat of freezing or

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<v Speaker 1>canceling billions in research grants to pressure schools citing a

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<v Speaker 1>need to address anti semitism on campuses. According to a

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<v Speaker 1>source familiar with The Wall Street Journal, the government's task

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<v Speaker 1>force said that the administration had worn at least one

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<v Speaker 1>university leadership group not to coordinate with others in resisting

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<v Speaker 1>these demands. The universities have agreed they will not compromise

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<v Speaker 1>on core issues such as control over admissions, faculty hiring,

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<v Speaker 1>and academic curriculum. One participant in the discussions pointed out, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>several of the schools have been around for three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>years years while President Trump has been in office for

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<v Speaker 1>three months.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, they are.

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<v Speaker 1>The Trump administration is trying to frame the free speech

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<v Speaker 1>as anti semitism, of people standing up for Palestine, as

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<v Speaker 1>anti Jewish, as opposed to anti Israel, and so now

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<v Speaker 1>these institutions are having to fight this made up fight.

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<v Speaker 1>But the fact that they're banning together means something, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll take it.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay, Yannick, thank you for.

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<v Speaker 1>Giving us some perspective on like the conversation about that

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<v Speaker 1>we had earlier about USAID and how that provides so

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<v Speaker 1>much vaccines around the world and how diseases are Human

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<v Speaker 1>diseases attack humans, and humans are all over the planet.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you know, for people that cast their vote

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<v Speaker 1>because they are it's a little bit of racism wrapped

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<v Speaker 1>up in fear. You know, they would never admit to

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<v Speaker 1>the racism, but they would admit to the fear. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I'll say. People that are afraid that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these people are getting too much power, these people are

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<v Speaker 1>taking too much from them or whatever, and they vote

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<v Speaker 1>for a person like this. Ultimately, what you've done is

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<v Speaker 1>given perspective on how the world is less safe for

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<v Speaker 1>them too as a result of that. What you've done

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately is you've reframed the conversation around how we kind

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<v Speaker 1>of all need each other and we should be building

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<v Speaker 1>systems to support each other as opposed to like trying

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<v Speaker 1>to isolate ourselves. Because there are some things that are

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<v Speaker 1>bigger than our communities, that our individual lives, our families,

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<v Speaker 1>our cities, our countries. And this administration I think is

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<v Speaker 1>hyper focused on really one group of people in this

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<v Speaker 1>country as opposed to humanity, the globe, et cetera. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is why we have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>this weird back and forth from the White House. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>these these tariffs and you know all this Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>saying he's negotiating with China. China is like, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>talking about dude. The Chinese Empire has been around five

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<v Speaker 1>thousand years. We're not worried about America has been around

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<v Speaker 1>for three hundred. You know, like talking talking crazy, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. And so you know that clarity

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<v Speaker 1>and a bit of levity I think goes a long

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<v Speaker 1>way around here.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to continue helping us out, So do

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<v Speaker 1>us a favor. Talk to us a little bit more,

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<v Speaker 1>because I know that you kind of touched on it.

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<v Speaker 1>But talk to us a little bit more about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>our Latino brothers and sisters at what they're dealing with.

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<v Speaker 1>And share a little bit more about kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>deportations that have been taking a place of not just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people whose citizenship status is kind of in limbo,

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<v Speaker 1>but actual US citizens, American citizens who've been deported to

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<v Speaker 1>El Salvador.

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<v Speaker 2>So share a little bit more with us about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. And I want to start off by making something

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<v Speaker 3>very clear, these are not deportations. We I even sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>slip up, but using that word suggest a legality succest

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<v Speaker 3>a processed, and that is not what's happening in the

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<v Speaker 3>United States in twenty twelve. Folks are being snatched off

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<v Speaker 3>the road, snatched in their homes, snatched in their places

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<v Speaker 3>of worship, schools, places in previous administrations that were protected

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<v Speaker 3>without any due process based on the mere allegation, the

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<v Speaker 3>mere suggestion that they may be affiliated with a gang.

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<v Speaker 3>This is being done through tattoos. This is being done

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<v Speaker 3>through living in the wrong neighborhood or being in the

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<v Speaker 3>presence of the wrong people. But unlike previous administrations, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not as simple as going through a legal process or

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<v Speaker 3>even fondly charged, finding access to counsel and sorting things out. No,

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<v Speaker 3>these people are being deprived of any right to do process,

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<v Speaker 3>which I remind you everyone is entitled to, regardless of

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<v Speaker 3>their nationality. Yeah, being shipped way to a land where

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<v Speaker 3>they've never been, and being subjected to torturous conditions, having their

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<v Speaker 3>head shaved, being locked away without access to a phone,

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<v Speaker 3>without access to their families. The term that we are

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<v Speaker 3>using with human rights first is being disappeared, which is

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<v Speaker 3>far more accurate of what is happening and the reason

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<v Speaker 3>why we are attempting to ring the alarm and how

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<v Speaker 3>terrifying this process is is because, as you suggested, your

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<v Speaker 3>citizenship isn't going to protect you. Now. Although I live

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<v Speaker 3>in Washington, d C. I'm a proud Florida man, so

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<v Speaker 3>I still every once in a while try and keep

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<v Speaker 3>up what's happening back home, and more and more the

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<v Speaker 3>news is depressing, to say the least. I bring up

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<v Speaker 3>Florida because Juan Carlos Gomes Lopez happened to be in Florida.

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<v Speaker 3>As his name suggests, He's a Latino and he didn't

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<v Speaker 3>look American enough, because despite being born and raised in

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<v Speaker 3>the United States, Juan found himself in a deportation proceeding

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<v Speaker 3>to a country that he had no nationality. His mother panicked,

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<v Speaker 3>collected his birth certificate, brought it to the courts, and

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<v Speaker 3>while the judge was able to authenticate that it was

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<v Speaker 3>a real birth certificate.

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<v Speaker 2>He still sat, couldn't do anything, and a.

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<v Speaker 3>Detention proceeding until human rights advocates, until the local community,

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<v Speaker 3>until social media protested saying, what is happening? That is

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<v Speaker 3>Trump's America. Thank God, in this case, there was enough

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<v Speaker 3>noise that this American was released from deportation. Proceedings. But

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<v Speaker 3>it only highlights what is really happening without due process

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<v Speaker 3>to suspect it a led gang members. And I emphasize

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<v Speaker 3>those words because in more cases than not, we have

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<v Speaker 3>been able to investigate and look in and find not

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<v Speaker 3>only do these alleged victims not have criminal records in

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<v Speaker 3>the United States, not have gang affiliation in the United States,

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<v Speaker 3>but even in Venezuela, they have no criminal history.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's something like seventy five percent of them

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<v Speaker 1>had no previous criminal histories.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly what I think. I heard that earlier today or

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<v Speaker 2>something like that, so I have to check it.

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<v Speaker 3>But nope, of course, and I hesitate to put a

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<v Speaker 3>specific figure because it highlights the issue. We don't have

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<v Speaker 3>access to these people. We have been attempting to gain

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<v Speaker 3>access to represent and see what is happening, because until

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<v Speaker 3>you are convicted, you have rights to council to prove

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<v Speaker 3>your inny sense to some form of due process. That

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<v Speaker 3>is the Fifth Amendment, and that is what is being attacked.

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<v Speaker 3>So Al Salvador, and unfortunately Al Salvador, unfortunately is the

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<v Speaker 3>start of what we fear is going to be many

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<v Speaker 3>agreements that President Trump is looking to utilize to remove undesirables,

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<v Speaker 3>people that don't fit his concept of what American again

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<v Speaker 3>should look like. And before I wrap this point, I

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<v Speaker 3>do want to highlight while we're talking about Latinos today,

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<v Speaker 3>I always bring up the case of Sean Brown brother

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<v Speaker 3>born in Philadelphia, who happened to be in Florida again,

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<v Speaker 3>who ended up in deportation proceedings to Jamaica, a country

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<v Speaker 3>had only been two hun a cruise. Because you have

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<v Speaker 3>to understand, you can't look at someone and accurately guess

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<v Speaker 3>their nationality, perhaps, their ethnicity perhaps, but that doesn't provide

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<v Speaker 3>access to their nationality, which is completely different than someone's heritage.

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<v Speaker 3>They seem to understand that with Irish communities, Irish American communities,

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<v Speaker 3>they seem to understand that what the Italian American community

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<v Speaker 3>with immigrant groups. I've been here for centuries.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I see where you're going.

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<v Speaker 3>But again, it's an attack on black and brown communities

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<v Speaker 3>that is being shaped under the auspices of deportation. So

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<v Speaker 3>while many of us are slipping up and using the

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<v Speaker 3>language because it seems natural that we want to bring

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<v Speaker 3>in a process some form of legality, let's be clear

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<v Speaker 3>that these are disappearances. They're stomping on our constitutional rights.

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<v Speaker 1>If I may right here, I think that just for

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<v Speaker 1>our listeners to give them some perspective, because a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of folks haven't traveled beyond this country, and Q and

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<v Speaker 1>I we've had We've been very fortunate.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been all over the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Just if you can just imagine if you're in a

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<v Speaker 1>foreign country wherever you've always dreamed of going. You're in

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<v Speaker 1>a foreign country, right You're a million miles away from

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<v Speaker 1>your family, from the political system that you know that

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<v Speaker 1>you believe to be fair. Here in the US, you're whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You're in France or something, pick a place, doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you're accused of stealing a candy bar and

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<v Speaker 1>then they disappear you and you don't have have like

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<v Speaker 1>due process. Can I at least go in front of someone.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there someone that can help me translate? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was here on business, whatever whatever your story is.

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<v Speaker 1>But just imagine how how having some formal process would

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<v Speaker 1>help you, would serve you as a human being, whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not you're a citizen of that country. You would

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<v Speaker 1>think that's fair. And so I think that's the point

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<v Speaker 1>that you're trying to make here, Yannick, is that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for people that are snatched off of the street and

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<v Speaker 1>then put on an airplane's shipped off without due process,

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<v Speaker 1>that is fundamentally anti human and what we would imagine

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<v Speaker 1>would be Unamerican.

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<v Speaker 2>Am I right about that?

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<v Speaker 3>I could have said it better myself. I tried, But

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<v Speaker 3>you're doing my job.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a good teacher.

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<v Speaker 3>It's that simple. And the additional word is that what

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<v Speaker 3>we believe at Human Rights First is that those acts

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<v Speaker 3>are also unconstitutional. It's not just that it's immoral, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not just that it feels wrong. We are stating that

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<v Speaker 3>it is illegal. There's a reason it's unprecedented, because you're

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<v Speaker 3>not allowed to do that. And we're in a scary

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<v Speaker 3>time where despite court orders from the Supreme Court, who

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<v Speaker 3>has ordered back individuals who have been subjected to Donald

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<v Speaker 3>Trump's heinous acts, the Trump administration is still continuing to

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<v Speaker 3>ignore them. So we're in a place where you're calling

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<v Speaker 3>on Congress. We're continuing to file and marry out of lawsuits.

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<v Speaker 3>But we also need people everyday, folks who not just

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<v Speaker 3>are afraid of what may happen, but who are concerned

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<v Speaker 3>for our neighbors, who have already been objected to susterranny

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<v Speaker 3>to speak out, to yell and scream, because in the

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<v Speaker 3>same way that we were able to shine a light

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<v Speaker 3>on Wan's case in Florida and allow him to prove

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<v Speaker 3>that he was an American, we have to do that

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<v Speaker 3>with folks who may not have the same nationality as

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<v Speaker 3>you or me, because regardless of their nationality, regardless of

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<v Speaker 3>the ethnicity, regardless of their race, in the United States,

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<v Speaker 3>they still have access to constitucial protections, and the Fifth

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<v Speaker 3>Amendment says the process as part of that.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, during the campaign, during election season. And I

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<v Speaker 4>like to pause a second on election season because I

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<v Speaker 4>hear adults, in order to justify their apathy or their

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<v Speaker 4>lack of action, say I'm not really political. I think

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<v Speaker 4>what they mean is the electoral process.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't participate. But everyone here is political.

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<v Speaker 4>Every aspect of your life is affected by politics, from

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<v Speaker 4>the way that you buy groceries, the way you go

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<v Speaker 4>to school, your civic engagement, traffic lights, the fact that

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<v Speaker 4>you're supposed to be able to have due process if

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<v Speaker 4>someone accuses you of doing something illegal.

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<v Speaker 2>All of this stuff is inherently political.

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<v Speaker 4>We and I know we because we talked the three

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<v Speaker 4>of us during the last election season, saw so much

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<v Speaker 4>of this coming, and even the other side knows that

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<v Speaker 4>it's wrong, because they denied they would do it when

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<v Speaker 4>they were trying to get elected. They tried to distance

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<v Speaker 4>themselves from it, and they were trying to get elected

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<v Speaker 4>because even they know it's wrong. But now, because they're

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<v Speaker 4>you know, a religion, they will find a way to

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<v Speaker 4>back their messiah figure with the zealot like passion and

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<v Speaker 4>find a way to justify every decision that's made by

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<v Speaker 4>this administration, even when it is blatantly illegal and blatantly

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<v Speaker 4>in direct conflict with our constitution. We've seen the suppression

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<v Speaker 4>of disagreement. We've seen the suppression of criticism. We've seen

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<v Speaker 4>the suppression of honest journalism, and on a large scale,

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<v Speaker 4>the suppression of immigrant college students.

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<v Speaker 2>All of us are in an.

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<v Speaker 4>Interesting space where there's public dissent with what's going on

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<v Speaker 4>with the administration. And I've expressed my fears of all

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<v Speaker 4>the things that the three of us do for a

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<v Speaker 4>living being considered legal at some point in the near

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<v Speaker 4>future by this administration, because that shouldn't even sound ridiculous

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<v Speaker 4>to anyone of us, or to anyone listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Where are we on it?

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<v Speaker 4>And when students can't protest, when journalists can't disagree, when

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<v Speaker 4>even law firms and attorneys are being attacked in some

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<v Speaker 4>again preemptively bending the knee and falling in line.

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<v Speaker 2>Scary doesn't really say it. I can't find the right way.

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<v Speaker 4>To articulate the space that we're in now, and this

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<v Speaker 4>is something that you're living every day.

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<v Speaker 3>I acknowledge that I'm at times afraid because it is

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<v Speaker 3>a scary time. It's an unprecedented time, and I've been

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<v Speaker 3>fooled at times into believing that the constitutional protections that

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes don't impact my community would at least impact America

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<v Speaker 3>and impact everybody. But we're in a time where we

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<v Speaker 3>are seeing outright defiance not just our Constitution but our courts.

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<v Speaker 3>The word that we're experiencing is authoritarianism, and we often

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<v Speaker 3>think about that word as something that happens over there.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we point to Russia, we point to China,

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<v Speaker 3>we even point to Cuba. But if we just look

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<v Speaker 3>at the way that things are being implemented in the

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<v Speaker 3>United States today, there's no other way to articulate what

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<v Speaker 3>is happening. And you pointed out something so key anywhere

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<v Speaker 3>that they see resistance uprising, quite frankly just questioning they

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<v Speaker 3>are attacking it. We're going to compare two very different groups.

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<v Speaker 3>One will be Ivor League college students. The second will

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<v Speaker 3>be nonprofits and law firms. And I'm going to frame

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<v Speaker 3>it within those same executive orders. I started by talking.

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<v Speaker 3>I started off our conversation. The attacks on law firms

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<v Speaker 3>was quick and swift because they were afraid to fight back.

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<v Speaker 3>There was no fight. They immediately thought and strategized, similar

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<v Speaker 3>to the same businesses we talked before. Who's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be in power? Where do we win? And they removed

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<v Speaker 3>again years years of precedent of working in tandem with

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<v Speaker 3>the US government to ensure that people that don't often

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<v Speaker 3>have a fair bide at the legal system had a representation.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a public service that helps all of us.

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<v Speaker 3>You want people to function through the courts because you

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<v Speaker 3>want people to trust the courts. But that was attacked

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<v Speaker 3>and removed. Why because statistically and human rights First has

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<v Speaker 3>seen this time and time again. When there's counsel involved,

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<v Speaker 3>people have a much higher chance in naturalizing into the

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<v Speaker 3>United States or in our case, having access to asylum

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<v Speaker 3>that they are entitled to under both international law but

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<v Speaker 3>domestic law. How does that tie it to the students.

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<v Speaker 3>They were expressing disdain for atrocities happening on the other

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<v Speaker 3>side of the Atlantic Ocean, something that they have a

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<v Speaker 3>constitutional rights to the First Amendment protections to speak out against.

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<v Speaker 3>But it didn't fit in line with exactly how Trump

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<v Speaker 3>wanted things to do or to happen again, authoritarianism. This

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<v Speaker 3>is not the way our country should function. This is

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<v Speaker 3>not this way our country has functioned. But unless we

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<v Speaker 3>stand up, unless we the people, not just human rights lawyers,

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<v Speaker 3>not just members of Congress, not just these Ivy League students,

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<v Speaker 3>but you the listener, You regular person with a regular job,

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<v Speaker 3>that here's this and thinks this is not right. You

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<v Speaker 3>should also be thinking this could be me as evidenced

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<v Speaker 3>by the three kids that were deported US citizens again

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<v Speaker 3>facing deportation, facing let me correct myself again, disappearances under

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<v Speaker 3>an authoritarian system. Yeah. So, while I'm afraid of what

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<v Speaker 3>may happen, I'm also angry that anger that conviction has

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<v Speaker 3>to cause us to resist, has to cause us to fight.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, listen, I know that this conversation could go on

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<v Speaker 1>and on and on. You have a brilliant mind and

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<v Speaker 1>we appreciate your strategy, but we're gonna we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to leave.

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<v Speaker 2>It right here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to thank you for taking the time to

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<v Speaker 1>come and talk with us this week. Do us a

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<v Speaker 1>favor before you go, let folks know how they can

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<v Speaker 1>tap in with you on social media, websites, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>anything that you got going on so people can get

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<v Speaker 1>some more of this game because we need.

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<v Speaker 3>It absolutely and it's been a pleasure. Look forward to

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<v Speaker 3>continue the conversation. As always, brothers, I am pretty easy

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<v Speaker 3>to find Yanet Gil across most platforms, and also it's

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<v Speaker 3>really important in twenty twenty five that we support the

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<v Speaker 3>organizations doing the work, so I could also be found

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<v Speaker 3>through Human Rights First again, a human rights organization doing

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<v Speaker 3>strategic litigation and adgacy both here and abroad. I look

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<v Speaker 3>forward to chatting more about y'all in the next one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred days, hopefully with a few more wins under our belt.

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<v Speaker 2>Well we look forward to it too.

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<v Speaker 1>Be sure to follow us on social media at Civic Cipher.

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<v Speaker 2>And subscribe to the podcast and the YouTube. And until

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<v Speaker 2>next week, y'all, Peace,