1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ok F Daily with 2 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: Me your Girl, Danielle Moody recording from the home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: by the time that you listen to this episode, Hurricane 4 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 1: Milton will have made landfall in Florida. We have no 5 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: idea the type of devastation that the state of Florida 6 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: will be in for. Once again, as I'm coming on air, 7 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: my mother sends me a text and says, you know, Danielle, 8 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: I rarely watched CNN, but today I turned it on 9 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: and a reporter is asking a woman in Florida that's 10 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: standing in her wreckage about, you know what she thinks 11 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: about these two storms coming through within two weeks, and 12 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: her response was their man made. I cannot express to 13 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: you the absolute extraordinary damage that Donald Trump and the 14 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: Republican Party have done to this country and have done 15 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: to fucking common sense. It is a travesty what has happened, 16 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: the amount of disinformation and how susceptible people are to it, 17 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: to believe that in this day and age, that you 18 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: cannot trust science, your eyes, or your ears, or anything 19 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: any amount of education. I don't even care how far 20 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: you went in school, but that you would denounce all 21 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: of that and believe the fucking bullshit that is coming 22 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: out of Donald Trump and Marjory Taylor Green and JD. 23 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: Vance and Matt Gates in Rohn de Santis's mouth is 24 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: absolutely fucking wild. And you wonder what was it like 25 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: living inside of the Dark Ages. Well, you don't have 26 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: to wonder. We are here. This is the modern day, 27 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: as Brian Karem, you know, fellow Nerd Avenger said earlier 28 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: this week on Nerd Avengers, this is the technological Dark Ages, 29 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: where we're at a time when we're trying to convince 30 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: people that the world is round and that like a 31 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: man did actually land on the moon, in the age 32 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: of deep fakes and deep, deep, deep fucking distorted disinformation. 33 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: It is absolutely wild. And today I get into a 34 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: conversation with our friend or in house doctor, doctor Jonathan 35 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: Metzel about like how we've gotten here. You know, it 36 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:38,679 Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. It's absolutely disheartening and frustrating and 37 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: just like mind numbing trying to convince people that they 38 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: have become their own worst enemy. When you have welcomed 39 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: the likes of Fox News and Donald Trump and the 40 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: Republican Party into your home into your life, into your 41 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: mind space. It is like a fucking earworm, right that, 42 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: Just like burrows in they are power sites that are 43 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: eating this country from the inside out. And I am 44 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: just at the time of this recording, am absolutely fucking 45 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: beside myself with where we find ourselves. And you know, 46 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: Jonathan tries to, you know, to help me work through it, 47 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: but Lord help us all because I really do believe 48 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: that it is the end. I really do feel like 49 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: this is the end. This is this is the pivotal moment. Friends. 50 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: We either go over this cliff with a parachute or 51 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: we go over it with a fucking anvil. But either way, 52 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: we're going over the cliff right now. And it is 53 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: just it is alarming. It is alarming. So coming up 54 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: next my conversation with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks. 55 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: As always, you know that whenever we have the opportunity 56 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: to sit and chat with our in house doctor, doctor 57 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: Jonathan Metzel, I am always thrilled because I feel like, 58 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: on a regular basis, I need some type of diagnosis. Jonathan. 59 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: We're living, as we always say, in extraordinary times, and 60 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: when I think about it, right now, we're speaking as 61 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: another hurricane is barreling towards Florida twice in two weeks. 62 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: Historic storms are about to hit, and yet fifty percent 63 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: of the population has been convinced by one of the 64 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: two major political parties that climate change is in real 65 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: that what they're experiencing and seeing with their own eyes 66 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: and their own ears isn't happening. That we're being flooded 67 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: and inundated with AI deep fakes of children floating on rafts, 68 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: and being told some of the most egregious lies about 69 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: hurricane relief not happening, about the money being spent on 70 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: migrants as a way to so hate and disorder. And 71 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts, because this is something 72 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: that you have studied, that you know about. I don't understand, 73 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: and I don't think that we are talking still even 74 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:20,679 Speaker 1: nine years later, about how these pervasive lies, how people 75 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: will discount their own thoughts and link on to Donald 76 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: Trump and it will cost them everything, but it doesn't 77 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: matter so long as it costs the people around them more. 78 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: And I still, Jonathan, nine years later, I still can't 79 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: come to terms with that. Help me, Well, good morning, 80 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: good morning. 81 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 2: You know, I'm definitely I mean, if there's a diagnosis. 82 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: It's a diagnosis for all of us, which is staying 83 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 2: afloat in this crazy time. I'm saying hi this morning 84 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 2: from Saint Cloud, Minnesota, and I'm speaking to four hundred 85 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 2: people tonight at the Convention Center as part of this 86 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: series called Conversations about Race. And it's a very multi racial, 87 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 2: multi everything group. And so I first want to say 88 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 2: that it's hard to see from social media sometimes that conversation, 89 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: real conversations are still happening, because I'm a part of 90 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: one out here today. But it is these moments of crisis, 91 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 2: these kind of polarizing moments of crisis. And so let's 92 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 2: talk through a couple points about this. Do you want 93 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: me to start with the most fair part, the most 94 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: fear answer, or the most ever, the most conniving. 95 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: Asser, whatever feels best to you to start with. 96 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 2: Okay, So please I get starting. You know, there is 97 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: an agenda of undermining It's not just like racism is 98 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: the means and the ends and the agenda. It's that 99 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: there is always another agenda here. I mean, we just 100 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: learned this morning as we're filming this that while Trump 101 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: was denying COVID, he was sent COVID tests to putin. 102 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 2: It was breaking news about an hour ago from Bob 103 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 2: Wooper's book that all these guys were saying this thing 104 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 2: is fake and all this kind of thing, and behind 105 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: the scenes they dan well knew that COVID was real 106 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: and Trump was secretly shipping COVID stuff to putin, and 107 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 2: I'm sure vaccines and other stuff. 108 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: Also, I guess you just broke that news to me, 109 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: and I am just I am speechless. Okay, really, yeah, yeah, 110 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: didn't know, got it. 111 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: So there's stuff about this that is incredibly performative in 112 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 2: a way that riles people up. But it's not like 113 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: people don't know. And I do feel like there's I'm 114 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 2: just speculating here just to be clear, but undermining FEMA 115 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: is an agenda that plays to racism, plays to social division, 116 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 2: place to all the things you're talking about. But then 117 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: if Trump wins, they can get rid of FEMA and 118 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: put Elon Musk in charge and privatize everything and stuff 119 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: like that. So there's a financial agenda here that is 120 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: maybe a bigger agenda than just that. Now that being said, 121 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: I just think that this idea of dismantling government, it's 122 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: not like there's going to be no government. It's going 123 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: to be privatized, for profit, unequal targeted, all the kind 124 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 2: of things. And so in a way, I just think 125 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: it's important to keep in mind that this is a psychology, 126 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: it's a bias, it's a history, it's all those things. 127 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 2: But it's also tied to a bigger financial agenda, which 128 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 2: is to monetize certain things and promote certain kinds of 129 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 2: commerce and screw people over who are already historically disadvantaged. 130 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: And so I think that, to me is the number 131 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 2: one point. I'm just seeing this again with this femous 132 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 2: stuff the way I saw it before, with the Affordable 133 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: Care Act and anti COVID and all those kind of things. 134 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 2: And so I think that's probably for me point number one. 135 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: Point number two. I saw AVI here in Minnesota, and 136 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: I flew last night next to a guy who was 137 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 2: flying this crazy circuitoust route. He was flying back to Minnesota. 138 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 2: He was a construction developer and worked in construction, and 139 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 2: he was going to get his truck and his supplies 140 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 2: and his coworkers so they could drive down to Florida 141 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: and help people out in the aftermath of the hurricane. 142 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 2: And you know, good salta of the earth kind of guy, 143 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 2: a really robust guy. We had a long conversation and 144 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 2: he was telling me how he really wanted to help. 145 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: This is a moment where people, in a matter of 146 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 2: their ideology, chip in to help each other. He had 147 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 2: gone to Ashville previously and helped at least rebuild some 148 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 2: kind of things. But then as we started talking, it 149 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,719 Speaker 2: became clear that he was incredibly anti government and was 150 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 2: a Trump supporter. So he said, the main thing for 151 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: me is this is a moment where like, we chip 152 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 2: in and help people, but we don't need government regulation. 153 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 2: We don't need government telling me what to do. We 154 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: don't need government. While he had this whole diatribe against 155 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 2: what he called government, and so I said, well, you know, 156 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 2: I can see your point, right, which is the government 157 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: adds relation to staff. But don't you think you're maybe 158 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 2: prone to help certain people that seem familiar to you 159 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 2: and not help other people, Like if it's just random 160 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: of people just chipping in, want to reinforce biases and 161 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: things like that. So we had a long conversation. The 162 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 2: guy wasn't crazy in fact, I mean, who would just 163 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: drop everything and drive down to help people like it 164 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 2: was laudable in some ways. But his animosity toward government 165 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 2: was so deep that the stuff that Trump said really 166 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 2: resonated with like and the JFK Junior stuff and all that, 167 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 2: let's get rid of government, let's get rid of regulation. 168 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: And so this mistrust of government is also such a 169 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 2: deep thread. And I don't know, there's two ways to 170 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: think about that, right, And I went in, yes, government 171 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 2: does add a lot of regulation. The other hand, like, 172 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 2: you can't just have a million random people driving down 173 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 2: to Florida with lumber and stuff like that, because it'll 174 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 2: reinforce inequity and be chaos and be disorganized and all 175 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: these kind of things. And so these things are all 176 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: playing out against each other. And I guess I don't 177 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 2: deny that it's racism and stuff like that, but I 178 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 2: would also say that there's all these other layers to 179 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 2: it would have to do with finance and capital and 180 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 2: governance and all these other things. 181 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: I get the layering, but I would say that the 182 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: foundation is racism, right, Like I don't think that we 183 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: can deny. We always want to say that there are 184 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: all of these other factors, and those other factors have 185 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: to do with economics. And I will always say okay, 186 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: and then run it back one more time, because it 187 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: always starts and ends with racism, this distrust in government 188 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: and what government is doing with your money. And I 189 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: think about this in the story that you just told, 190 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: in terms of the regulations, and right now down in Atlanta, 191 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: right in the suburbs of Atlanta, you have an entire 192 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: chlorine plume that is over ninety thousand plus residents that 193 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 1: are down there because of deregulation that happened with these 194 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: chemical plants that are allowed to be in residencedential areas 195 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: and that have navigated loopholes where they don't have to 196 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: follow any rules whatsoever in terms of creating safety measures 197 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: that would mitigate the effects of say a fire breaking 198 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: out inside and then causing extraordinary health damage that we 199 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: won't know. There are certain people that right now are 200 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: saying they have lingering headaches, eye irritation, skin irritation, and 201 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: body aches. But you don't know what the long term 202 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: ramifications are going to be of those illnesses that comes 203 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: from deregulation. And so like, when I hear these things 204 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: that are largely said by white Americans, what would be 205 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: the reason that they don't trust government and that they 206 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: want government to be deregulated because they don't like who 207 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: government is supposedly helping. When it's a majority of people 208 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 1: that are white and poor that are on government assistance, 209 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: either white and poor or rich and poor that are 210 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: receiving welfare, it's hard for me to navigate eight and 211 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: have conversations when at the core of it, all we're 212 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: doing is looking for euphemisms for racism. 213 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, of course, I mean that's you just 214 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: summarize the talk I'm giving today, and you know, I mean, 215 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: I'm a structuralist, right, so of course I completely agree 216 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: with what you just said. But I guess the question 217 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 2: is what are you going to do about it? Right? 218 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: And I mean right now we have a real clear 219 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 2: choice about what you do about it. But I would 220 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 2: also say that is anti racism. The answer is changing 221 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 2: the financial structure. The answer is more government. The answer 222 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: is addressing people's concerns of government. The answer I just 223 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 2: I think it's important for me at least to know 224 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 2: people's agendas of how they come to that, just so 225 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 2: I can know how to kind of push back on 226 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 2: it a little bit more. Not denying that. But it's 227 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 2: just funny because for me the issue is in the 228 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 2: name of racism, divisions are monetized basically, you know. I mean, 229 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 2: I'm not surprised that a lot of white people are 230 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 2: resist that's I live in Tennessee. It's not very surprising. 231 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 2: But for me, as you know, the answer to those 232 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: divisions is to make structures equitable. And so that's the way. 233 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 2: You don't try to change people's identity, to increase structures 234 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: where equity is rewarded. But we're in the opposite potentially now, 235 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: which is weaponizing historical divisions. I mean, I feel like 236 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 2: anti Semitism and Islamophobia are also being weaponized right now 237 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 2: for financial gain in a lot of different ways. And 238 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 2: so we're just in a movement right now where these 239 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 2: divisions are being monetized and there's no count, there's no 240 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 2: what's the reward, right I mean? And so I guess 241 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: part of the issue why this matters I'm talking around 242 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 2: in circles I apologize, is if Trump wins, this is 243 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 2: going to be the whole country. And that's another reason 244 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 2: to just be worried about. Trump is giving us a 245 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 2: little hint here of this FEMA thing is exactly what 246 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 2: everything will be like, which is undercutting every government agency, 247 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 2: privatizing everything, targeting people who are already at risk, Like 248 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: that's going to be every agency. I mean, FEMA seems 249 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: like an extreme example, but I don't know. You're going 250 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: to see it in healthcare. You'll see it hell in 251 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: the traffic lights and everything like that. 252 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: Right, it will be everything, and it will be targeted 253 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: again directly at people of color, directly at black and 254 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: brown people and those communities, and then it will target 255 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: everyone else. And so it's like again low hanging fruit, 256 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: which is the fact that Donald Trump the Republican Party 257 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: are racists. They are pushing a white supremaist, white Christian 258 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: nationalist agenda, and it begins with sowing distrust in government, 259 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: in agencies and saying that you can only trust me. 260 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: And that's how you begin this game of distortion. I mean, 261 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: I looked Jonathan at the AI photo that Steven Miller, 262 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: Laura Lumer and all of these other right wing people 263 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: with huge platforms retweeted a fake photo of this young 264 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: girl holding a puppy on a raft and saying, oh, well, 265 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris sent all the FEMA money to Haitian migrants, 266 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: And they retweeted this and they took it down after 267 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: the fact, but guess what, it was already fucking out 268 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: and liked by millions of people. So I'm like, they 269 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: know what they're doing. And the question that you ask 270 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: is a good one, like, well, how do you combat it? 271 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: I have no idea because by the time a lie 272 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: is around the corner, the truth hasn't gotten out of bed, 273 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: so we can fill them with all of the facts 274 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: and figures and say no, this is wrong, this is 275 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: a lie, but it's already happened. So Jack is already 276 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: out of the box. So at this point I'm not 277 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: really sure what it looks like to put it back 278 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: when you have fifty percent of the population that is 279 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: now saying, well, Biden, you know, hasn't provided any relief 280 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: or Fema is broke, and it's just like, wait, what 281 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 1: are you talking about? And you have Disantis just on 282 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: television yesterday saying we've gotten everything that we've needed from 283 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: the Biden administration and I'm sure they will provide us 284 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: with more he said it. 285 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't. But the thing is, you know, 286 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 2: the argument of dying of whiteness is such a vicious 287 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: cycle that you think it's targeting other people and then 288 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: it comes for you basically. And so the problem with 289 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: FEMA now and Florida, for example, is that it's been 290 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 2: so undercut and undermined that they actually have massive worker 291 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: shortage for FEMA, so they're actually they have really hurt FEMA, 292 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 2: I mean, and a time of climate emergency to not 293 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 2: be doing more investing in climate is I'm praying that 294 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 2: this thing takes a right turn or something before it 295 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 2: hits Tampa. But these things have consequences that are not 296 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: just for the targets of who people will say they no. 297 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: And I think that that is the thing that people 298 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: don't get is it goes back to the Martinia Mohler 299 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: poem from World War Two. First they come for right, 300 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: You think that they're going to come for everybody. Oh, 301 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: I love Donald Trump because we hate the same people. 302 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: And he's going to punish the people that have made 303 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: my life hard in this imaginary type of way. And 304 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 1: then when all of those people have been punished and 305 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: criminalized in what have you, you're next up to bat 306 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: And I don't understand how many times these things need 307 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: to happen in the course of history for people to 308 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 1: realize that you are not safe, that Donald Trump is 309 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: not the person who is going to keep you safe, 310 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: who is lying to you on a regular basis and 311 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: grifting off of you because you're that fucking stupid. I 312 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: personally am at a loss right now as I watch 313 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: this devastation hit these areas that are quote unquote red states. 314 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 2: And you know, we'll maybe talk about this next week. 315 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 2: I'm really curious about the whole Elon Musk effect here 316 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 2: also because I mean, there obviously are extreme interesting for 317 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 2: him of taking over all these things, and so I'm curious, 318 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: Like I guess, I wonder sometimes if Elon Musk had 319 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 2: done the same thing, but he was supporting causes that 320 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 2: I believe in, if Elon Musk could come to our side, 321 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 2: for example, what I think Elon Musk was greater, would 322 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: I still think that he was what he seems to be. 323 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 2: So I don't know the Elon Musk effect here. 324 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: No one should have. I mean, here's the thing, and 325 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: this is me saying this, which is that like, no 326 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: one should have as much power as Elon Musk has, 327 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: And I don't care if that is a person that 328 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: is a Democrat or a Republican. One person should not 329 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: have a mass as much wealth and have as much 330 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: influence to do anything. Elon must in general shows me 331 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: that our economic systems are absolutely and totally broken because 332 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: this man is on the verge of becoming a trillionaire 333 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 1: and we have so much economic disparity in this country 334 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: and in the world. He is emblematic of everything that is. 335 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 2: Wrong, and he's just so unlikable, oh. 336 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: God, and so fucking hard to look at, like as 337 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: a person. 338 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 2: Just ye, dear God, I just I guess I'm just 339 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 2: in the back of my mind, I'm thinking, like, is 340 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 2: Elon Musk helping Trump right now? Or is he? Or 341 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 2: is he like even on Twitter? I mean just looking 342 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 2: what he's done with Twitter and then telling me this 343 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 2: guy's going to run female like it's you know, so 344 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I hope you enough 345 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 2: people will come to their senses. But I guess the 346 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 2: question of over the top eln mask stuff, I'm curious 347 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 2: why the Democrats aren't using it more because it's so odious. 348 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 2: But maybe it speaks for itself. 349 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: I think that, honestly, I think that it speaks for itself. Yeah, 350 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: first of all, we also know and we're out of 351 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: time here, but we also know that the numbers that 352 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: Elon Musk puts up on Twitter about people liking his 353 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: posts and all of the it's all lies. It's all 354 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: inflated lies. And no one is advertising on that broke 355 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: down site because he's absolutely destroyed it and a majority 356 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 1: of people except for journalists, have fled. 357 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 2: So to me, the argument then, is is this the 358 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 2: guy you want running disaster ely for the country. I mean, 359 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 2: he's really bad at tweeting, and also he's so firstly 360 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 2: bad at tweeting, So anyway, TB TBD. All right, I'm 361 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 2: gonna have to talk about the boards of equity, So 362 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 2: how would you be having a positive vibe day here? 363 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: Good Jonathan. As always, we deeply appreciate your analysis and 364 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: we will catch up with you again next week. 365 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 2: Take care, everybody. 366 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: That is it for me today, Dear friends on Woke 367 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: af as always, power to the people and to all 368 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.