Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories.
Speaker 1: Dune Dune, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up and
Speaker 1: USVU podcast.
Speaker 3: I'm Kara Klaang and I'm Liza Traeger. Hello.
Speaker 2: Every week we talk about an episode of SVU, the
Speaker 2: true crime it's based on, and then we have an
Speaker 2: incredible interview with someone from the episode.
Speaker 3: But at first we chit chat.
Speaker 2: We have a lot to discuss, we do right before
Speaker 2: the new year, right before.
Speaker 3: We enter into twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: We obviously need to discuss sex and the city.
Speaker 3: Duh.
Speaker 2: Obviously, And and I are and our friend Lauren did
Speaker 2: have a wild night, a wild.
Speaker 3: Night that wasn't actually that wild.
Speaker 2: I think we're just elderly at this point and could
Speaker 2: not happen.
Speaker 3: I think it was.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, what had happened was we went to
Speaker 1: the very talented co host of Lost Culturista's podcast and
Speaker 1: a very hilarious performer and singer, Matt Rogers has an
Speaker 1: amazing Christmas show that he does.
Speaker 2: We'll tell them who are who The piano play and
Speaker 2: composer of the songs are Hello and.
Speaker 1: His co composer like the basically his right hand. The
Speaker 1: guy who puts together all the songs with him is
Speaker 1: Henry Koperski, who does our beautiful podcast theme song. So
Speaker 1: we went to go see the two of them perform
Speaker 1: at the Hollywood Improv. We had gone two years ago
Speaker 1: pre pandemic, and it was like a glorious fun origining
Speaker 1: original funny sincere Christmas music.
Speaker 3: He's not shitting on Christmas.
Speaker 2: It is only someone that loves Christmas like Matt does
Speaker 2: can create such incredible music.
Speaker 3: And we're just.
Speaker 1: Because songs are like out of out of control funny.
Speaker 3: They are so fucking funny.
Speaker 1: Like one is from that point of view of Missus
Speaker 1: Clause one is from the point of view of Martha
Speaker 1: May Houvier from The Grinch, Wry Stole Christmas. Like one
Speaker 1: is just like like about this Christmas.
Speaker 2: I am dumbed if I fucked that up. But at
Speaker 2: the end everyone sings Maria Carrie. I was jumping on
Speaker 2: a booth, but I started with double vat ca sodas,
Speaker 2: So that's where maybe the mistakes started. And then we
Speaker 2: were I would also humiliated us because we were like
Speaker 2: running around to meet Matt and all of his best
Speaker 2: friends are just waiting like normal people in the lobby,
Speaker 2: but we were like running up to the green room.
Speaker 1: Because two years ago we went up to a green
Speaker 1: room to hang out. I wonder if that's a COVID
Speaker 1: thing now or something that you can't do that. But
Speaker 1: I felt like a pushy aunt. I felt yeah.
Speaker 3: We were like can we come up?
Speaker 1: And he was like, well, I'll be out front in
Speaker 1: a second, Like okay. But then we we had such
Speaker 1: a great time. There were just so many fun people
Speaker 1: there that we knew, and it was really fun. And
Speaker 1: then we were like, well, we ubered here, so we're
Speaker 1: going out. And we went out in West Hollywood to
Speaker 1: all these fun gay bars and we just did a
Speaker 1: lot of shots and drank a lot of drinks.
Speaker 2: Well, no, we found out our friend Lauren was throwing
Speaker 2: the shots underneath the bar.
Speaker 1: Oh like an app But to me, we're not bully
Speaker 1: praying bitch, we're not bullies.
Speaker 3: Why are you? Why am I spending money?
Speaker 2: If you're not, you just say you don't say you
Speaker 2: don't want it. She's just very rich now, so she
Speaker 2: doesn't understand, but you don't have to be pouring the
Speaker 2: shots under the bar, please.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: I was buying them, and because I was trying to
Speaker 1: like pay back, like when somebody bought a shot and around,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, okay, my turn, now we're buying shots.
Speaker 3: It was like a bad precedent to set. But alas,
Speaker 3: but we did fall.
Speaker 2: In love with Go Go Boy, who Kara kept turning
Speaker 2: to the group and going, he's special, he has something special.
Speaker 1: There's something about him. There was something about this Go
Speaker 1: Go Boy. I was like, he's gonna be famous and
Speaker 1: he's gonna be like I used to dance, Go at
Speaker 1: high tops. I also, I don't touch someone that's smooth
Speaker 1: in such a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, baby smooth. She was a little seal.
Speaker 1: Yeah sexy seal, a sexy seal, and did go to
Speaker 1: to We went to Tom Tom. We were we were
Speaker 1: out with another podcast host who was getting a lot
Speaker 1: of attention.
Speaker 3: But I ordered Fireball and the girl was livid at me.
Speaker 2: At the bartender, she goes, we don't have fireball, we
Speaker 2: don't have Rumplements, we don't have Jaeger. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: well now you're gonna make lemon drop shots. Are you happy?
Speaker 3: Now? You're gonna love putting sugar on all those rims.
Speaker 3: The fucking dumb bitch, like, oh my god, what a bitch.
Speaker 1: I do want to eat there because I heard the
Speaker 1: food at Tom Tom Is.
Speaker 3: I have eaten there twice and I have enjoyed it
Speaker 3: both times.
Speaker 1: It was funny to go there having watched vander Pump
Speaker 1: and having them like built that place and be like, ah, yes,
Speaker 1: here are the gears. Here're the gears in person, like
Speaker 1: all the gears on the wanna be steampunk? Like, well,
Speaker 1: you guys were shaming me too, because I thought it's
Speaker 1: a cool looking bar, and.
Speaker 3: You guys, oh, we were like, this place is not
Speaker 3: this place.
Speaker 1: This looks it just looks like wedding here. Serve those
Speaker 1: goat cheese balls, bitch. Hell yeah, oh my god. Yes,
Speaker 1: I wish I could have eaten food there. But we
Speaker 1: had a great time. Unfortunately, two of us came home
Speaker 1: without phones, but I will report my phone has been
Speaker 1: located and I will be driving forty five minutes away
Speaker 1: from Los Angeles right after I record this to pick
Speaker 1: up my phone.
Speaker 2: Our other friend was straight up robbed, but I wis
Speaker 2: shouldn't have gone to the third bar. We went to
Speaker 2: a third bar that I didn't realize we went to
Speaker 2: till midday. Kara, I'm going to throw you under the bus.
Speaker 2: What she did puke out of the uber?
Speaker 3: I did? I did?
Speaker 1: And when I got home, Yes, as I was getting
Speaker 1: out into my house, I you know what, it's crazy
Speaker 1: because I did.
Speaker 3: Get extremely drunk.
Speaker 1: I will not be ashamed of that, but I just
Speaker 1: think it's the car ride makes me feel sick like
Speaker 1: I would not. If I had been able to walk
Speaker 1: home and go to bed, I would have been fine.
Speaker 1: But I said, I was in a car for thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: We're getting a hotel next time we go out. We're
Speaker 1: going to just stay in Solidah Hotel tonight.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Or there's like a Ratisin right there next to eat
Speaker 1: twenty four a twenty four hour diner. We'll just eat,
Speaker 1: stay at a fucking Ratisin, and then go home to
Speaker 1: our fan.
Speaker 2: That's so we need to avoid all this drama, and
Speaker 2: I'll find myself under the bus. I did wake up
Speaker 2: around eight am to violently puke and sit in the
Speaker 2: shower for about two hours.
Speaker 1: I would say yeah, and I have to say I
Speaker 1: barely have gotten super super drunk since I've been a parent,
Speaker 1: like the way that I was this evening, and now this.
Speaker 2: Happens to me when I get too excited. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: remember a few months ago I opened for Sam Jay
Speaker 2: at the Troubadour and I was so overwhelmed with excitement,
Speaker 2: double tequila, sodas in bed by midnight, puking. So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like I'm nineteen and drove to Canada.
Speaker 3: I yeah, like I don't. I do like to go out.
Speaker 2: But I don't go out that often in that way
Speaker 2: like usually I do shows, I have a few drinks.
Speaker 3: Igah, Yeah, I go out and have a few drinks.
Speaker 1: I'm home by twelve, Like you know, we were just
Speaker 1: like Chris Maas, like we were getting home at three
Speaker 1: am shots crazy. But I will say, and I know
Speaker 1: people feel me that listened to this podcast because a
Speaker 1: lot of you are parents, Parenting hungover is some seventh
Speaker 1: circle of hell.
Speaker 3: Shit.
Speaker 1: It is the worst fucking thing because they do not
Speaker 1: get what being hungover is. You can say mom doesn't
Speaker 1: feel well, they do not give a shit. Rosie still
Speaker 1: kept going mom, mom, Mom, Mom. It was a nightmare,
Speaker 1: Like I just It made me like, I will think
Speaker 1: of that the next time I'm out trying to like
Speaker 1: do shots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think our friend left the bed till
Speaker 2: the evening, and neither did I.
Speaker 3: I think we both. Unfortunately I did not have the option.
Speaker 1: I did have to get up in parent But it
Speaker 1: was a nightmare and it'll it serves me right.
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't where you're allowed to go out, but yeah,
Speaker 2: it was. It was pretty wild. And then to tame ourselves.
Speaker 2: The next day, we went to like a Hallmark looking festival,
Speaker 2: like a Homemark Christmas festival.
Speaker 1: I took Lisa with Rosie to this Christmas tree lighting
Speaker 1: festival in Los Angeles in a neighborhood that's like adjacent
Speaker 1: to ours, and Lisa goes, what are we go in.
Speaker 3: A Hallmark movie? I go, maybe you're gonna meet your
Speaker 3: husband tonight or your.
Speaker 1: Wife, Like maybe we're gonna this is like a perfect
Speaker 1: meat cute place, you know, like this is like we
Speaker 1: were drinking hot chocolate, making ornaments, waiting for Santa to
Speaker 1: arrive on a fire truck.
Speaker 3: It was very like it was.
Speaker 2: But I thought we were just going to Target. So
Speaker 2: I did wear a Daria sweatshirt and grayceel pants.
Speaker 3: So it wasn't the.
Speaker 2: Christmas like stroll picking up guys that I was what
Speaker 2: I was hoping for. And we do have to be
Speaker 2: upfront that the hot chocolate was from a church, but
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they gave us a note from Jesus with
Speaker 1: the hot chocolate.
Speaker 3: But then they kept.
Speaker 2: Stretching the lighting and so we didn't get to actually
Speaker 2: see the tree.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't do that.
Speaker 1: I think they didn't do the lighting until like the end,
Speaker 1: because my friend sent me a video of her daughter
Speaker 1: watching it. But Rosie got to see Santa in the
Speaker 1: fire truck and it was worth it. She had a glass.
Speaker 1: I have a video of her dancing like a psycho though,
Speaker 1: like she was dancing pretty crazy. She was just running
Speaker 1: back and forth like crazy. But wait, okay, so that
Speaker 1: was fun. And then last night, I finally I know
Speaker 1: I'm late, and a lot of you guys messaged us,
Speaker 1: and I want to say a lot of you guys
Speaker 1: messaged us with a fucking spoiler from the Sex and
Speaker 1: the City show, and so I knew what was going
Speaker 1: to happen before I watched, because some of you guys
Speaker 1: slid into our gms with that.
Speaker 3: So just be careful next time.
Speaker 2: But Twitter and the articles, I mean, yeah, it's so fun.
Speaker 3: You know, I lost my phone, so I didn't. I wasn't.
Speaker 1: Actually I was able to make it till Sunday. But
Speaker 1: it's okay. I watched it last night, both of the
Speaker 1: first two episodes.
Speaker 3: So okay.
Speaker 2: I saw someone yesterday and I was talking about how
Speaker 2: much I loved it, and she goes, that is so sweet.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard anyone say a nice word about it.
Speaker 2: So I was like the first person that she talked to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the reviews are really bad.
Speaker 2: Well I wonder if they're the same people that would
Speaker 2: have given the original show bad reviews, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? Yeah, maybe it's just like Okay. The first
Speaker 2: ten minutes I was nervous. I was like, ugh, I
Speaker 2: don't know, is this gonna be bad? Is my favorite
Speaker 2: show gonna be bad? And then I was in. I
Speaker 2: was in. I really loved that they went there and
Speaker 2: made the characters fucking flawed. They're elderly, old, white rich
Speaker 2: people in New York and they're gonna have problems, and
Speaker 2: I am like impressed with how annoying they made Charlotte Listen.
Speaker 1: I am gonna keep watching it, it's it's fun. It
Speaker 1: made me deeply, deeply sad. I mean, don't listen to
Speaker 1: this part if you haven't watched it yet, Like it
Speaker 1: really really made me sad, Like that affected me. But
Speaker 1: also they're leaning too hard into the elderly stuff, like
Speaker 1: the fact that you're calling them elderly. They're in their
Speaker 1: mid fifties, Like that's not elderly. Why is Steve wearing
Speaker 1: hearing aids?
Speaker 3: Like people can lose their hearing.
Speaker 1: Sure they can, but they're like they're leaning too far
Speaker 1: into it in my opinion, like just be in your
Speaker 1: fifties killing it. And many women are like, we don't
Speaker 1: have to be this, like what's TikTok?
Speaker 3: Like I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's a little cringey a lot of it to me,
Speaker 1: but I'm enjoying it. The fashion, the New York, the people.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep watching it, you know. And I like
Speaker 1: some of these New Edition characters.
Speaker 2: I think Sarah Ramirez killed it because they're playing a
Speaker 2: stand up comic. So it's like you're gonna be more
Speaker 2: critical And I wasn't an I was into it. I
Speaker 2: was like, I can see this being a comic that
Speaker 2: I would run into out and about, and I loved
Speaker 2: the week.
Speaker 1: Wait is the is the premise that they are going
Speaker 1: to be a love interest from Miranda.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what we're hoping for.
Speaker 2: Miranda is gonna clearly I didn't I'm about to say, clearly,
Speaker 2: I did not catch this. This one over my head.
Speaker 2: My friend Julia had to tell me. But Miranda's gonna
Speaker 2: have a drinking problem. Obviously, there was a.
Speaker 1: Few oh see, I did drink Chablis moments, but I
Speaker 1: thought that was like nerves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but before class, before the funeral speech obviously, but
Speaker 2: like before class, and then I think there was one
Speaker 2: more but people caught onto that. But I thought her
Speaker 2: being a dumb bitch and class was so cringing and uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: In the best harble but in the best way.
Speaker 2: And at the train when she's like and I knew
Speaker 2: I had to go to like, I feel like I
Speaker 2: might have been this person during the pandemic. I think
Speaker 2: most whites that are trying to do good have these moments,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like, and I liked that
Speaker 2: they showed it. And no, no, Brad, I did. I
Speaker 2: have worked with Karen Pittman, so that was exciting. To
Speaker 2: see who is that the professor?
Speaker 3: Oh wow, excuse me, she's cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: She was in Horace and Pete, so I she's cool
Speaker 2: and she was in a really cool I enjoyed her
Speaker 2: in Horace Empete a lot, so I was excited.
Speaker 1: Oh and the woman that plays Charlotte's friend is so
Speaker 1: beautiful Nicole Arie Parker, great fashion.
Speaker 3: I just like that Charlotte's a dumb bitch.
Speaker 2: I feel like I've had a friend like this where
Speaker 2: it's like, Carrie's husband just died, why are you crying
Speaker 2: and making it about you?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we've had family tragedies where there's always one. I
Speaker 1: remember a friend of my mom's just fully like sobbing
Speaker 1: on the couch and asking me to bring her tile
Speaker 1: in all when we had a death in our family,
Speaker 1: and I was like, bitch, get out of here, like
Speaker 1: it's just like crazy when people make it so about them.
Speaker 3: And kept doing it. And Susan Sharon.
Speaker 1: Susan Sharon though, killed me like that was so funny.
Speaker 1: She looked so to her and she she looked incredible, credible,
Speaker 1: And when they cut to her and she goes, does
Speaker 1: anyone remember him being a total dick to her like
Speaker 1: I was like, that broke up the sadness of that
Speaker 1: scene for me, Like that was.
Speaker 2: So when he died. I cried when Samantha sent the flowers.
Speaker 2: I cried during the speech. I mean I was crying
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 3: And I like what they're doing with Samantha.
Speaker 1: I guess that they're talking about her so respectfully and
Speaker 1: not being shitty or like killing her. But I'm also
Speaker 1: like she would be there, like she would absolutely be there.
Speaker 2: Yes, but we I know. I saw that on Twitter
Speaker 2: and people bitching about that. It's like could have what
Speaker 2: a should have? What are you talking about? In the
Speaker 2: words of Samantha, I hope you got that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but she doesn't want to do it. They did
Speaker 3: the best that they could.
Speaker 2: They're not going to fucking kill Samanonantha, Okay, go fuck yourselves.
Speaker 2: And she maybe wouldn't have been on a plane. COVID
Speaker 2: was just over. There could have been travel restrictions, like
Speaker 2: you don't know everything, and same with the big where
Speaker 2: it's like, how did they do this? He might have said,
Speaker 2: I'm only doing one you know. With Maloney, people are like,
Speaker 2: oh what happened? It was a contract issue, that's why
Speaker 2: he left. Okay, like there's more to stuff than creative things. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was just hating people bitching about stuff that they
Speaker 2: have no control over.
Speaker 3: No, I know, I just for.
Speaker 1: Some reason, I'm like, well, I was reading a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff that was like, maybe they should have killed Samantha.
Speaker 3: No, would you have thought if they did that?
Speaker 2: No, because we're still hopeful she might come back in
Speaker 2: season two. Honey, this is like the dextra situation. Let's
Speaker 2: be hopeful, let's be open, and let's work with what
Speaker 2: we got. And they don't want to they could not kills.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was right to kill Samantha because
Speaker 2: that would have been a fuck you.
Speaker 1: And I think they're trying to be chill. No, I
Speaker 1: was happy they didn't. I was happy they didn't. But
Speaker 1: I mean also like I don't know the reason for
Speaker 1: the breakup didn't seem enough, like I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's that's one thing on Twitter where I
Speaker 2: saw like they're like Samantha in the second movie had
Speaker 2: a giant pr agency in Times Square. What do you
Speaker 2: mean she couldn't handle your book? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but they did what they could.
Speaker 3: I love what well.
Speaker 2: I also saw a really funny meme of Lily and
Speaker 2: it's like, wow, Lily really is ruining Carrie's life because
Speaker 2: the reason the wedding didn't happen. Yeah, and she had
Speaker 2: to go to that recital and it's like, it is
Speaker 2: your fault, Charlotte, it is your fault.
Speaker 3: And I would blame her and I would not want
Speaker 3: to be her friend.
Speaker 1: Yes, but don't you think you Lisa, You cannot blame
Speaker 1: someone like that. If he had a heart attack ready
Speaker 1: to happen, it was gonna happen.
Speaker 3: At the point. That's how I felt about her.
Speaker 1: And then she was acting the way she was acting, Yes,
Speaker 1: the way she was acting.
Speaker 2: She would be cut out of my life. I would
Speaker 2: blame her. And if she kept crying and making it
Speaker 2: about oh I love They're just such good actresses and
Speaker 2: anyone that hates the show, I think just doesn't understand.
Speaker 2: Like the moment when Carrie goes, I'd prefer that when
Speaker 2: Charlotte's like, yeah, can you be alone? I'm like, you
Speaker 2: guys are just so talent, and it's like it's our
Speaker 2: old girls. I feel it's their old person at it's
Speaker 2: like who they are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Sarah Jessica Parker looks great, and I do
Speaker 1: like that they're forcing her to be a little bit
Speaker 1: more uh open on this podcast situation that she's doing.
Speaker 3: I think it's there's a.
Speaker 1: Lot of good about it, but there was just parts
Speaker 1: of it that I was like, eh.
Speaker 3: Like that were cringey for me.
Speaker 2: But I think they were purposely cringey. I think we
Speaker 2: were supposed to feel uncomfortable with Miranda in that class
Speaker 2: room and on the train platform.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Also did Steve's accent.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to bad mouth him at all,
Speaker 1: because Lord knows we want him on this podcast. But
Speaker 1: Steve's accent was like on Quadruple Drive, like he was like.
Speaker 3: Hey, you was, guys, what's what the bike?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: I just thought he turned it up like high.
Speaker 1: It was like he had it. Maybe he hadn't like
Speaker 1: talked like Steve in twenty years and was like is.
Speaker 3: This what he sounded like?
Speaker 1: Eh?
Speaker 3: Like it was just so.
Speaker 2: Like, well, that reminds me nobody wanted to like everyone's like,
Speaker 2: no one wants to see Brady be fucking like leave.
Speaker 3: Oh god.
Speaker 2: It was like too much, But it's real, you know,
Speaker 2: thinking about like I just love how real it is
Speaker 2: in I don't. I mean, I but that happens. Are
Speaker 2: you gonna let your kids fucker out? Like it's kind
Speaker 2: of cool?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: In the house, yeah, I mean god, I just I
Speaker 1: can't think about that right now.
Speaker 3: I have a six month old. I can't think about it.
Speaker 3: You also have another child?
Speaker 1: No, I know, but I feel like it's more of
Speaker 1: a guy would ask to do that. Maybe I don't
Speaker 1: know why, Like I don't know, but maybe I'm being wrong.
Speaker 3: Rosie could fuck too. Yeah, she's gonna be fucking.
Speaker 2: I also love that they used the apartment like Stanford
Speaker 2: and Mario how to having an issue or Anthony. Sorry,
Speaker 2: it's like Stanford and Anthony having an issue, And like
Speaker 2: the apartment being used all the time was nice like
Speaker 2: that he's like, oh, I already have a key. And
Speaker 2: I like that they made Stanford annoying Stanford Wait, can
Speaker 2: I ask? I mean, we have to stop.
Speaker 1: We really have to get into an episode today because
Speaker 1: this is not a Sex in the City podcast, though
Speaker 1: maybe we will start one. Listen, why was there that
Speaker 1: weird scene with him telling Glorya to get out of
Speaker 1: his seat?
Speaker 3: It just felt like it lasted too long.
Speaker 2: Well, because I think they needed to show that Anthony
Speaker 2: was like disgusted by his behavior. Okay, and maybe they
Speaker 2: love each other, but it's like when you don't grow, evolve, change,
Speaker 2: like and he was rude to her. I mean, clearly
Speaker 2: this woman knows big, so like, what do you want?
Speaker 2: But where Stanford was coming from was I get that
Speaker 2: when he's like, yeah, it's my best friend and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna sit next to her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understood that too, So it just seemed like
Speaker 1: a weird scene that went on too long.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't to support her. It didn't seem like
Speaker 2: it was to support her. It was, oh, I get
Speaker 2: to be close. And that was solidified with his comment
Speaker 2: about like I would have liked to speak. And I
Speaker 2: just think because something's gonna obviously happen with Stanford.
Speaker 1: Well right, I think what I read in a review
Speaker 1: is that he's getting pretty much abruptly written out after
Speaker 1: season four, episode four.
Speaker 2: Sure, but it needs to be a death because even
Speaker 2: if him and Anthony get divorced or that's what they're
Speaker 2: leading towards, or that's what was on par like, he
Speaker 2: would still be Charlotte's friend. And I loved that, I
Speaker 2: mean Carrie's friend. But I also loved that Charlotte was like,
Speaker 2: you didn't call me, and it's like, no, I want
Speaker 2: Stanford right now. It's not fucking about I mean, Charlotte
Speaker 2: to me was triggering for sure.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, more annoying than ever, but I'm impressed. I love
Speaker 2: Sarah Ramirez and Miranda Hopeful. What's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I you're a die hard and I think there's very
Speaker 1: little they could do to turn you off, and I
Speaker 1: am excited to keep watching it. I liked it. I
Speaker 1: had a good time. It felt like being back with
Speaker 1: old friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, up top I was it was like too caricatury,
Speaker 2: but I thought they've gotten to a rhythm. And then
Speaker 2: the trailer for what's coming on this season looks awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because we love that actress too, who was in the
Speaker 2: COVID episode that made you.
Speaker 3: Cry of Svie. Yeah, so rita child raise her name?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, from Homeland, So that's gonna be fucking I'm exciting.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she'll be a cool character too. She's Carrie's real
Speaker 1: estate agent.
Speaker 2: I think I'm just happy to have them back and
Speaker 2: stop trying to make it what it was. And I
Speaker 2: just hate everyone's shitting on it, like, go fuck yourself.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to engage with Lee's
Speaker 1: about this more antagonize her on Twitter.
Speaker 3: Please.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's start today's episode. Cauz, we got a good
Speaker 1: one for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ah right.
Speaker 2: So this is Hell's Kitchen. I have lived in this neighborhood,
Speaker 2: so that's exciting.
Speaker 1: I worked for many years in this neighborhood and love, love,
Speaker 1: love Hell's kitchen.
Speaker 3: What did you do in Hell's Kitchen?
Speaker 1: I worked for a producer at a little production you know,
Speaker 1: my Devilwar's been in a republic job.
Speaker 3: I would say.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because a lot of these restaurants that we're
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about in this episode where restaurants
Speaker 1: I like, had to make reservations for that boss set.
Speaker 3: So it's like bringing me back. Oh amazing. I've also
Speaker 3: been a server.
Speaker 1: I think you have too, so I'm sure we'll have
Speaker 1: a lot of personal Yeah.
Speaker 3: But not in New York.
Speaker 2: I didn't, No, not in but I had a great
Speaker 2: It was the first neighborhood I lived in in New York.
Speaker 2: I did live in a one bedroom railroad with one
Speaker 2: other person. We did share a bed, and we only
Speaker 2: had one sink in the kitchen, not in the bathroom,
Speaker 2: and you had to climb over the toilet to get
Speaker 2: into the tub.
Speaker 3: And we each paid nine fifty. Oh my god, which
Speaker 3: is like a steal. I'm like nine to fifty in Manhattan.
Speaker 3: And this is.
Speaker 1: Where the guy came up the ladder too, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was between tenth and eleventh. But we just were
Speaker 1: so desperate to live our sex in the city fantasy
Speaker 1: and live in Manhattan. Like the moment Manhattan was brought up,
Speaker 1: we were like, oh, yeah, we'll share a bed, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll live in Manhattan. We only lasted like seven months,
Speaker 2: eight months in there, but so happy to see Hell's
Speaker 2: Kitchen getting some love not love, I don't know. Attacks Okay,
Speaker 2: season twenty, episode it starts with classical music playing, so
Speaker 2: obviously something fancy is happening, and and we see like
Speaker 2: a thin slice of a radish looking thing delicate foods,
Speaker 2: so we're at a restaurant. And then we see like
Speaker 2: a tattooed sleeve of a man, so we know that's
Speaker 2: the chef. Okay, chefs love tattoos, and these looks cool.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like the anatomy of a pig or.
Speaker 1: I know you always see is that fucking like all
Speaker 1: like the haunches, like all the different labels of the
Speaker 1: pig cuts, And I'm like, you guys need that's to
Speaker 1: me like the tramp stamp of the culinary world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, chefs, I mean, I have a lot of bad tattoos,
Speaker 2: I guess, but chefs are notorious for pretty terrible tattoos.
Speaker 2: But it is a job you get to be like
Speaker 2: fully tatted for. And so yeah, this chef man, he's
Speaker 2: picking up tiny flowers with tweezers placing it on a salad.
Speaker 3: I don't really like this kind of bullshit.
Speaker 2: I do it if someone else is paying, and I
Speaker 2: don't love it. I want real food. I want real food.
Speaker 2: I don't want a flower pedal. He has an earring
Speaker 2: and he's yelling loud. You know, he's one of those
Speaker 2: Hell's Kitchen what is it, Master Kitchen?
Speaker 3: What's the one where you know you're right? Hell's Kitchen
Speaker 3: is Gordon Ramsey. Oh wow, this is really connected.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, And he's the one that's always
Speaker 1: screaming at people. Yeah, but you know what I love
Speaker 1: is I don't know if you ever watch him host
Speaker 1: the kids show. But he's completely different and there yeah
Speaker 1: with the with the yeah, yeah, there's montages of going
Speaker 1: back and forth, like how he speaks to adults and
Speaker 1: then children, but it's because he's passionate and you do
Speaker 1: get to yeah. I mean, it is an abusive, toxic environment.
Speaker 1: Usually if you're at a job where it's people's passions,
Speaker 1: you can exploit them.
Speaker 3: We've we've lived it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, if like you know that everyone is desperate
Speaker 2: to live their dreams, you can.
Speaker 3: You can ruin our lives. That's that's basically it.
Speaker 2: We'll sign anything, we'll work for free, we'll take an internship,
Speaker 2: we'll drive eight hours. So anyways, toxic chef vibes. But
Speaker 2: then he started talking about lobster and squidink pasta, and
Speaker 2: I'm back on board. In this restaurant, I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: I would I would definitely order that, okay. And there
Speaker 2: are some vap customers and they produce a kid's food.
Speaker 3: Show and among other things.
Speaker 2: So it's like the front of house manager and the
Speaker 2: chef are walking to this like table of fancy food
Speaker 2: show producers. The chef is Andrew Leebowitz. He is a Jew, obviously,
Speaker 2: and the restaurant is called Far Rockaway, even though it's
Speaker 2: in Manhattan, and I hate when people do this.
Speaker 3: He doesn't bother you.
Speaker 2: No, there's just like a bar that you used to
Speaker 2: have a commedge show called like Coney Island Baby, but
Speaker 2: it's in Manhattan. It makes no sense to me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: why is this called far Rockaway? You're trying to confuse people.
Speaker 1: I think that they're like, we're bringing a little bit
Speaker 1: of a hometown to Manhattan, you know, like it's like
Speaker 1: I grew up on the beaches the fall Rockaway, but
Speaker 1: now I made it my dreams in the big city.
Speaker 3: Like I don't know. I think that's like what the
Speaker 3: goal is, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: And then he drops one of the plates off though,
Speaker 2: and it's octopus with deconstructed coleslaw.
Speaker 3: What does that just mean?
Speaker 1: Like shreds of cabbage separate from shreds of carrot, and
Speaker 1: then a pile of mayonnaise.
Speaker 3: How does that?
Speaker 2: How is that exactly? And how is that fancy or delicious?
Speaker 2: Like that just sounds disgusting. And then the other guy
Speaker 2: got like some polenta, which I do like.
Speaker 3: I like polenta. He makes a joke about like dessert
Speaker 3: giving them wood. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: So they get hard for desserts and so they're having
Speaker 2: a moment. So the chef is like, to the producers,
Speaker 2: why don't you stay after dinner. We have a private
Speaker 2: room after powers, you know, So we get the vibe
Speaker 2: that the some scummy stuff might happen. They're getting hard
Speaker 2: on desserts and there's a private room, and then he
Speaker 2: starts massaging the shoulders of this waitress named Kayla shas
Speaker 2: beautiful red hair and.
Speaker 3: A bold red lip.
Speaker 2: And then we cut to a salad that looks like shit,
Speaker 2: and you're like eh, and then you realize we're at
Speaker 2: Benson's house, so it makes a little more sense. Noah
Speaker 2: is mad about the salad. He hates olives. There's olives,
Speaker 2: and I'm on Noah's side. You don't like olives either.
Speaker 1: I hate olives too, But you know, I'm never on
Speaker 1: Noah's side. I mean, he's just sitting there being like,
Speaker 1: I want Pizza's like, yeah, we all want fucking pizza, kid.
Speaker 3: You don't get that.
Speaker 1: All the time Benson's CPS workers on her ass all
Speaker 1: the time. She finds out your feet him pizza every day.
Speaker 1: She's gonna lose you, so you want to go back
Speaker 1: into the system to meet your salad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is Rosie. Rosie only needs a quesadilla
Speaker 2: and a pesta pasta.
Speaker 1: But I sneak veggies in. She eats a tortolini that
Speaker 1: has spinach in it. She eats a smoothie that has
Speaker 1: avocado and spinach, I sneak it.
Speaker 3: She's two.
Speaker 1: My friends have assured me that by the time she's
Speaker 1: Noah's age, which is like seven in this episode, or eight,
Speaker 1: that she'll be eating more different things.
Speaker 2: I talk about this all the time when I waitress. Now,
Speaker 2: over a decade ago, I will never remember. I will
Speaker 2: never forget. I'll never remember. I will never forget. This
Speaker 2: young girl ordered the garlic shrimp and I was like,
Speaker 2: I like you, like.
Speaker 3: I just like a little kid. I love when a
Speaker 3: kid is like.
Speaker 2: Our friend posted a photo of her son squeezing lemon
Speaker 2: on an oyster and sucking it down, and I'm like
Speaker 2: that that's fucking aweso.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: My friend Alice came to LA with like her eight
Speaker 1: year old and we went out to dinner to like
Speaker 1: a nice place in Echo Park, and she was like,
Speaker 1: do you want the cornish hen Eloise? And Eloise was
Speaker 1: like sure, like she was so ad like she goes
Speaker 1: she has a pretty good palette, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: like my fingers are fucking cross. Rosie wouldn't even eat
Speaker 1: pizza the other day. I was begging her to finish
Speaker 1: your pizza and she was like, na, what did she want?
Speaker 1: Animal crackers? Well, she wanted dessert. She wanted a popsicle
Speaker 1: or ice cream. She's a sugarhound. And you can have
Speaker 1: taste bud changes too, Like I remember I used to
Speaker 1: never eat anything spicy, and now I'll eat a halopeno
Speaker 1: like in something.
Speaker 3: You know, I.
Speaker 2: Really love holowpanio poppers. It's like a new moment. Maybe
Speaker 2: we should eat that tonight. Don't eat dinners, Let's get Halowpenno.
Speaker 3: Poppers or not. Okay, so you know what sold? Okay?
Speaker 3: He said nothing, I go never mind, never mind.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was literally scanning my brain for
Speaker 1: where can we get them around here. I'll absolutely do
Speaker 1: halopenio poppers. Yes, okay.
Speaker 2: So anyways, now off from the food, we'll go to
Speaker 2: my favorite topic. Fashion. Benson sweater. I want it. I
Speaker 2: want it.
Speaker 1: It was oversized cozy, white, gray, black, like, oh what
Speaker 1: a great fucking at home sweater.
Speaker 2: He spits out the olives. Benson doesn't know what to do.
Speaker 2: They're having a moment, so they cut back to the
Speaker 2: restaurant and Kayla and the bartender at this VIP room.
Speaker 2: They're taking shots and then the producer, one of the producers,
Speaker 2: asked Kayla to sit on his face. So that's pretty fun,
Speaker 2: and then he like does a little dance thing, tricks
Speaker 2: her to sit on his lap, like it's just a mess.
Speaker 3: To the front of housewoman.
Speaker 2: Is like you okay, and Kayla goes a half the gig, right,
Speaker 2: I had to put subtitles on.
Speaker 3: I listened to this eight times. I could not understand
Speaker 3: what she was saying.
Speaker 2: You need diction help to whatever actress this is. She's
Speaker 2: clearly not the guest. I'm talking shit about her. But
Speaker 2: so that's half the gig. And the bar manager woman goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: story of my life.
Speaker 3: So we get a thing that this is just like
Speaker 3: how it is. You know, you have to put up
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 2: And my friend Alex was like a waitress at US,
Speaker 2: like a hip, hip packed sports bar in Chicago. She
Speaker 2: said she had to leave because people would just touch
Speaker 2: her so much, like you get fully just harassed and
Speaker 2: grabbed and touched.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because like I worked at a
Speaker 1: restaurant in Boston. That's my only waitress experience is I
Speaker 1: worked at this like jet when like jazz kind of
Speaker 1: came back and like the early two thousands, remember when
Speaker 1: it was like cherry pop and daddies and all that shit.
Speaker 1: I worked at a martini bar, like massive bartantinis the
Speaker 1: size of like a cereal bowl, and then like jazz
Speaker 1: live jazz music, and the food was like whatever, but
Speaker 1: people did eat there, and so and I wore like
Speaker 1: a button up white shirt with a black clip on
Speaker 1: tie and like black pants, and I remember being like, oh,
Speaker 1: so gross this outfit. And now I'm like, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: happy actually that they made me dress like a penguin
Speaker 1: because then I like didn't get my ass grabbed a lot.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, this sports bar was not penguin outfits, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you that much.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So now we cut to two cops in a different
Speaker 2: culinary vibe. They have bags of fast food and they're
Speaker 2: really excited to eat in their car, and then while
Speaker 2: they're walking with the fast food, they happen upon a
Speaker 2: woman that's fighting out of a car, kicking what we
Speaker 2: can assume is an Uber driver, so she's like kicking
Speaker 2: and fighting. So they run and it is Kayla Morgan,
Speaker 2: so it is the waitress from earlier and two UNICFORGN
Speaker 2: cops are now explaining to Careesy and Finn, like what
Speaker 2: happened on the scene. They found the Uber driver was
Speaker 2: climbing on top of her. He says though that she
Speaker 2: was wasted and wouldn't get out of his car and
Speaker 2: he was just trying to get her out of the
Speaker 2: car and he's actually the victim and that she's like,
Speaker 2: you know that she was hitting him. And Kayla is
Speaker 2: also not claiming rape, but her shirt was fully ripped open,
Speaker 2: so we don't know what's going on, but she put
Speaker 2: up a fight and he wants to press charges for assault.
Speaker 3: Credits so that's a lot okay.
Speaker 2: So now we're back from the credits and Kayla is
Speaker 2: with Benson and Rollins at the precinct and she's like, listen,
Speaker 2: I don't remember anything. I've told everybody what happened, and
Speaker 2: she says she doesn't if the Uber driver did anything.
Speaker 2: She's like, I passed out and he startled me, so
Speaker 2: I flipped out a little bit, like do I need
Speaker 2: a lawyer? What is happening? And Rollin's is like, don't
Speaker 2: worry about that, and Benson's like, we're just worried about you,
Speaker 2: like we don't care about anything else.
Speaker 3: And they're just very caring and I love them so much.
Speaker 2: So they're just trying to figure out what happened before
Speaker 2: the uber ride, but she doesn't really remember any of that.
Speaker 2: And then they cut to the boys in the interrogation
Speaker 2: room with the Uber driver and he's like, I am
Speaker 2: the victim. He keeps saying that, and he is such
Speaker 2: a fun actor. I like all the faces he made
Speaker 2: so much. But he's horrified at the allegations against him.
Speaker 2: It is not him, and he goes, take DNA, take
Speaker 2: lie detector or anything you want, and that's always that
Speaker 2: could go either way. It's like you're obviously clearly innocent
Speaker 2: or you're playing a game. So it's like, what's happening.
Speaker 2: Finn can't believe it, which I love. This is the
Speaker 2: best moment of this episode. He goes, I mean, there's
Speaker 2: a passed out girl in your car. You want to
Speaker 2: you want us to believe you kept driving, and like,
Speaker 2: I love that that's the standard. It's like, but that's
Speaker 2: how I've talked about this. I was recently, like a
Speaker 2: few months ago, blacked out with an uber driving. He
Speaker 2: hantic ups and I tipped him one hundred percent because
Speaker 2: I was like, you could have raped and kidnapped me.
Speaker 3: So here's a present.
Speaker 2: It's like, the baseline is you will get attacked. And
Speaker 2: even Finn's like, oh, you had a pass out girl
Speaker 2: and you didn't raper. I don't buy it, Like it
Speaker 2: is fucked that that is the standard. I'm like having
Speaker 2: a hard time with the one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but well, I also like, I'm a huge if
Speaker 1: I've been drinking even a little bit, I pass out
Speaker 1: in transit, like if I'm in the car, like if
Speaker 1: I'm in obviously not if I'm the one driving, but
Speaker 1: like if I like, but like if I'm in the
Speaker 1: back of a car and it's late at night, good night,
Speaker 1: I'm out, you know. Like, so I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: probably bad. I probably shouldn't take ubers. But yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: it's a sad standard.
Speaker 2: You're not really often drinking alone wildly, I would say, true, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Well, I was just thinking of the time the last
Speaker 1: time I drank and got really bombed in West Hollywood
Speaker 1: for Drag Race. I took out Uber home and demand
Speaker 1: definitely had to wake me up when I got home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like wild, it's been wild, and I just loved
Speaker 1: Finns like, yeah, right, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just it's very telling.
Speaker 2: And then he goes, we know he's not lying because
Speaker 2: he goes, no, I was talking to my wife on
Speaker 2: the phone the whole time, and I go, he's telling
Speaker 2: the truth. If you've ever if you've ever been in
Speaker 2: a New York City transportation, they are talking to their wives. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the wives are on a different time zone and they
Speaker 2: are chatting, and so Coreesi is sassy goes, you know,
Speaker 2: we hate that, and I actually like it. I like
Speaker 2: when they talk to their wives. It reminds me of
Speaker 2: sex and the city too. When and then it just
Speaker 2: it also means they're not talking to me. I don't
Speaker 2: want to talk to anyone.
Speaker 1: Usually sometimes I've had nice convos with cab drivers, truly,
Speaker 1: but not anymore.
Speaker 3: I'm done.
Speaker 2: But for many years, yeah, I would wear your children always,
Speaker 2: all the problems, everything.
Speaker 3: But I do get mad when they go, oh are
Speaker 3: you going home? I go, you shouldn't really ask women
Speaker 3: where they're going, what are you doing? Yeah? And if
Speaker 3: they go or you do you have a boyfriend? I
Speaker 3: always say yes, no matter what. Yeah. Always.
Speaker 1: He's huge and he's waiting for me on the curb. So,
Speaker 1: but the driver seems like a good guy.
Speaker 3: He goes. I realized something was wrong.
Speaker 2: She had weird zombie vibes and I tried to help
Speaker 2: her out and she flipped out. They cut back to
Speaker 2: her and she wants to leave. She's really mad, and
Speaker 2: she goes, listen, I had a lot to drink. I
Speaker 2: don't know what's up. Everything was fuzzy, and she's yelling
Speaker 2: I am not a victim, and Rollins and Benson are
Speaker 2: trying to convince her to speak up and figure out
Speaker 2: what happened, even if it's not the uber guy. And
Speaker 2: Kayla leaves since the uber guy is not pressing charges,
Speaker 2: and then the amazing hair detectives just watch her walk away,
Speaker 2: and then we cut to Careesy and he is filling
Speaker 2: in the squad that the cell phone records prove that
Speaker 2: the driver was talking to his wife the whole time.
Speaker 2: She got picked up at three point thirty nine am
Speaker 2: outside of a restaurant on the Lower east Side called
Speaker 2: Far Rockaway by Andrew So I love that.
Speaker 3: That reminds me of Kyle Richards businesses Alien two by
Speaker 3: Alien two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love it so much. So Cariese knows
Speaker 2: about this restaurant. It's a high priced seafood joint and
Speaker 2: he took a date there once and then someone's like,
Speaker 2: was it worth it?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: He spent like a few hundred bucks with someone. I
Speaker 2: forgot it was like, is it worth it? He goes
Speaker 2: worth every cet So I guess he had great sex
Speaker 2: after this, which is exciting. So Careese and Finn start
Speaker 2: asking the front of housewoman for some scoop and she
Speaker 2: says kitchen clothes.
Speaker 3: At one and I leave, so leave me alone.
Speaker 2: She says that Marco is a server and he's obsessed
Speaker 2: with Kayla, so go talk to him. And they talked
Speaker 2: to this like doughey, sweet man, I kind of have
Speaker 2: a crush on him, and he's really innocent and I
Speaker 2: love him.
Speaker 3: And he was.
Speaker 2: Like, whoa rape? And they go, we didn't say rape,
Speaker 2: why'd you say rape? And he goes, I know what
Speaker 2: SVU means? So I love that. Yeah, I love him.
Speaker 2: I'm like truly into this server, so I loved the interaction.
Speaker 2: And now he also says, he goes, I went home,
Speaker 2: and my building has cameras so you can check on
Speaker 2: my shit, so they can prove that he's innocent. So
Speaker 2: that's great. Kayla did work the after party, he tells them.
Speaker 2: So they go down to the private room to get
Speaker 2: more scoop. They talked to the sexy bartender and he
Speaker 2: gives us all of our sv bartending fantasy needs. He
Speaker 2: is wiping bottles, he is arranging bottles, he's carrying a box,
Speaker 2: he is doing the work, and he mentions like the
Speaker 2: producing execs. And they left around two thirty to forty five,
Speaker 2: and he last saw Kayla at three, so clearly you
Speaker 2: know there is some time that is unaccounted for what's
Speaker 2: going on. He said that she went down to the
Speaker 2: wine cellar to meet Andrew, the chef slash owner, and
Speaker 2: Cariese is of course like suspicious. So they head down
Speaker 2: there and he's babbling about wines and shipments. He has
Speaker 2: cocaine energy. If I've ever seen it, this man is
Speaker 2: on cocaine.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: This is coke at its finest. And he offers them
Speaker 2: a sip of wine and they when they reject it,
Speaker 2: he says, this is eight hundred dollars a bottle, and
Speaker 2: Finn goes, okay, I'll hit that. So so Finn's trying
Speaker 2: this eight hundred dollars bottle of wine and he says
Speaker 2: it tastes like warm apple juice, and the chef's like, ooh,
Speaker 2: apple notes.
Speaker 3: I'll put that in the description.
Speaker 2: But anyways, they're like, shut up, we don't care about
Speaker 2: these wines.
Speaker 3: Stop babbling about. We need you to focus.
Speaker 2: So he starts babbling again about how he loves cops
Speaker 2: and hates finance bros.
Speaker 3: And it's like, you need to stop talking.
Speaker 2: And then he starts talking about man As Chevitz and
Speaker 2: get filter fish, and it's like, go home, take a nap.
Speaker 3: This is you need a break.
Speaker 1: This is like fully giving me flashbacks to like every
Speaker 1: night talking to somebody that was too coked up.
Speaker 3: And you're like, okay, all right, I gotta go.
Speaker 2: Well, least now I can kind of tell when someone's
Speaker 2: on coke. Back in the day, I would just be like, wow,
Speaker 2: this person has great ideas and a lot of passion,
Speaker 2: you know, Like I wouldn't. I wouldn't be able to
Speaker 2: figure it out. So the detectives feel the Andrew in
Speaker 2: and they're like, okay, well, we believe that she was
Speaker 2: sexually assaulted here last night and you're the last person
Speaker 2: to see her.
Speaker 3: And he goes, excuse me. She's saying that, I what,
Speaker 3: and he's.
Speaker 2: Shocked by the news and he goes, yeah, we popped
Speaker 2: a vadal and I said, you know, I liked her
Speaker 2: ass and we had consensual sex. It's not even the
Speaker 2: first time we quote unquote screwed. And if she said anything,
Speaker 2: she's fucking lying. You know, it was hot and she
Speaker 2: wanted it. And it's like we've heard all this before, okay.
Speaker 2: And then this scene ends, which with what I feel
Speaker 2: is a commercial and I think the high pressure moment
Speaker 2: is that they have fucked before. And then Kyle marches
Speaker 2: into the precinct mad. She is pissed in a perfect
Speaker 2: fall outfit turtleneck okay, and she's like, you talk to Andrew,
Speaker 2: what the fuck? I can lose my job? And you
Speaker 2: know they did do some maloney action here, you know,
Speaker 2: back to.
Speaker 1: So well, it's also just like it it's more like
Speaker 1: cop fantasy, like there's no complaining with like there's no
Speaker 1: complainant at all, and they're like, we're still going to
Speaker 1: investigate this, Like there's absolutely no way in the real
Speaker 1: world cops go after alleged rape that happened where there's
Speaker 1: no victim is not saying that anything happened, Like no.
Speaker 2: And the thing is, I don't I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 2: it's in all towns. I've just like seen it mostly
Speaker 2: in New York. But like, businesses want to be friend
Speaker 2: police officers, right, because I've performed at some places where
Speaker 2: like the cops know that they can compee there, you know,
Speaker 2: and they're ca and then like if you're nicer to them,
Speaker 2: if there's an altercation at the like they come quicker,
Speaker 2: like or if you have people in there later then
Speaker 2: you're supposed to have people in there, or if you're not,
Speaker 2: you know, you're breaking some awning rule like whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I remember back when like smoking was illegal
Speaker 1: and some places still wanted to offer it. You could
Speaker 1: tell places that were in with the cops would be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can smoke, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it's like such a cap vibes.
Speaker 2: But I know businesses they want to be in with
Speaker 2: the cops, right, So it is weird. So to me,
Speaker 2: that adds on to your point of like these cops
Speaker 2: probably like go in there too, you know, like they
Speaker 2: get special treatment at those places. But this place seems
Speaker 2: pretty fancy. And then she says she makes six figures there.
Speaker 2: That's nice fine dining.
Speaker 1: I think if you're full time working fine dining yet
Speaker 1: you can do like extremely well, I guess.
Speaker 2: I know, but do you get time on It just
Speaker 2: seems you get like what Sundays and Mondays off.
Speaker 3: Or not really like yeah, probably, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It seems I've worked in fine dining for two days
Speaker 2: and I went, this isn't for me.
Speaker 3: So whatever.
Speaker 2: She goes, I didn't say anything, and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but you know, don't you think he didn't And she goes, no,
Speaker 2: it's not like that, and she says, yeah, we fucked
Speaker 2: a Christmas party once. It was a mistake, but things
Speaker 2: aren't black and white, okay, you know last night or whatever.
Speaker 2: She goes, yeah, I said stop, but he didn't want to.
Speaker 2: So it's whatever. It's a restaurant. And they're like, it
Speaker 2: sounds like your boss raped you. And she's like, it's
Speaker 2: not rape unless I say it's rape. And do we
Speaker 2: agree or not with that statement?
Speaker 3: I don't know. Well, we'll do a poll. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a tough one because she really
Speaker 1: is acting like I mean I didn't you know, she's
Speaker 1: acting like it wasn't a big I've.
Speaker 3: Done it before. I don't know. Well, yeah, because it's
Speaker 3: the it's like, what is it worth it?
Speaker 2: Because you're once she once she says the sixth figure thing,
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, okay, yeah, because I got no an
Speaker 2: argument with someone about this where it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: guys are people that don't understand sexual assault or like
Speaker 2: abuse in any way. It's just like, yeah, just go
Speaker 2: to the tell someone. And it's like, but you don't
Speaker 2: know what someone's gonna lose. And sometimes it's just not
Speaker 2: worth it. It's not worth being shunned out of your job,
Speaker 2: you know. Unfortunately, it would be cool if people weren't
Speaker 2: shunned out of their jobs and fired.
Speaker 3: And like, yeah, there's so many reasons why women don't report,
Speaker 3: and you know.
Speaker 2: They're valid, and this episode I think really shows it great,
Speaker 2: like of all the reasons and we'll get more examples
Speaker 2: of like just different layers of what happens. But whatever,
Speaker 2: she's like an angry teen and she's like stay out
Speaker 2: of my life before you ruin it and she runs away.
Speaker 2: So then Stone comes in. I don't even know his
Speaker 2: first name. I don't really care about him. I know
Speaker 2: our listeners think he's hot. I think he's like a
Speaker 2: fucking boring idiot.
Speaker 3: Do you like him? What's the name? Peter?
Speaker 1: I think he's like classically kenned All hot, I guess,
Speaker 1: but I'm not my type in any way.
Speaker 3: I just don't care if you like.
Speaker 2: I wish he went down on Marishka one episode then
Speaker 2: I would have liked him more, because they.
Speaker 3: Do have a vibe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, every hot guy of a certain age that gets
Speaker 1: on the show, you think, oh, is this.
Speaker 3: Gonna be the guy? Is he gonna be the one
Speaker 3: for Mari? Like, I mean, you just think that.
Speaker 2: So Carisie says, listen, this guy has no priors. But
Speaker 2: he shows up in three sixty ones, which is like
Speaker 2: probably the name of some paperwork. So there's been three
Speaker 2: separate women that have had complaints about him that work
Speaker 2: in his Brooklyn location at the restaurant. So they go
Speaker 2: talk to the other three women and they do the
Speaker 2: thing where they like splice all three women together in
Speaker 2: one long confession. So there's a bartender. She goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: after hours, I served him and his buddy and then
Speaker 2: it's like brunette bob smoking cigarette outside girl and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: one night he just plants went on me and I
Speaker 2: was blacked out, so I just kind of let it happen.
Speaker 2: They turned him down, but that's the boss.
Speaker 3: What do you do?
Speaker 2: He said, don't you want that motion? So they got
Speaker 2: they walked over. He tossed her around like a rag doll.
Speaker 2: He pulled up the skirt of another girl. She tried
Speaker 2: to fight him, and then YadA, YadA YadA, they're connect
Speaker 2: and then they finally find the connection, and the connection
Speaker 2: is he kept all of their underwear, so he took
Speaker 2: all of their panties. So one the girl gets mad
Speaker 2: and she's like what the fuck, Like I've been banned
Speaker 2: from all, Like he blacklisted me from everything. I'm working
Speaker 2: at this dive bar and he's out there and he
Speaker 2: continues to do whatever he wants in assaulting women like
Speaker 2: no boyo.
Speaker 3: So then Careese and Finn.
Speaker 2: And Stone are discussing the case and how it's Brooklyn,
Speaker 2: so like, what's that going on? And if it was Manhattan,
Speaker 2: they would have gotten the guy and all three cases
Speaker 2: have one DA in common, Chris Hodgkins. So it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: what's going on? Like okay, clue, But this is a
Speaker 2: wonder kid and he's giant in the Me too movement.
Speaker 2: He runs a victim advocacy group and he wants to
Speaker 2: climb up the political ladder and is.
Speaker 3: Like really on victim's side.
Speaker 2: So they have to go find Chris, and they walking
Speaker 2: on him as he's in court putting away a pedophile.
Speaker 3: No mercy.
Speaker 2: So we love this guy, So like, why did he
Speaker 2: not prosecute these three cases? So Stone talks to him,
Speaker 2: and this guy Chris knows Peter's father whatever, YadA YadA,
Speaker 2: man chats, so he brings up Andrew and why he
Speaker 2: didn't prosecute and basically Chris says that like all the issues,
Speaker 2: but they weren't perfect victims, but they never are, but
Speaker 2: he was just like he found holes in all of
Speaker 2: them and didn't really think they would be good on
Speaker 2: the stand. And he's not going to prosecute a case
Speaker 2: he can't win, but he says, I will help in
Speaker 2: any way possible if you need any help on this case.
Speaker 2: Stone is suspicious Benson and him are working late, and
Speaker 2: Benson is like, it's just shocking. He wouldn't do this.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense, like he
Speaker 2: does everything like there's got to be more to it.
Speaker 2: And then they go, we gotta get Kayla. Like if
Speaker 2: we get Kayla, we can get this job. So they
Speaker 2: go find Kayla. They're like, there's more victims. She doesn't
Speaker 2: want to. They're having a back and forth, and then
Speaker 2: we know we knew what was gonna happen before it happened.
Speaker 2: Bring up the panties. They go, well, don't you want
Speaker 2: your panties back or some stupid line, and she goes,
Speaker 2: how do you know about that? So now like she
Speaker 2: gets it, she gets the power, and she is just like,
Speaker 2: oh fuck, he's gonna keep raping women. And so then
Speaker 2: you know, they keep doing this and he doesn't really
Speaker 2: want to and she and he's like, take your power.
Speaker 3: She goes, I don't know.
Speaker 2: And then so now he brings in the real big
Speaker 2: guns because he wants her to take the stand so bad.
Speaker 2: So he brings up his murdered sister. So now Kayla's like,
Speaker 2: oh great, bringing up your dead sister.
Speaker 1: It really kind of has like nothing to do with anything,
Speaker 1: but okay, it's a stretch.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then this is more examples of things we don't
Speaker 2: think about of what victims lose. She's like, all my
Speaker 2: friends work at that restaurant. It is my full social life.
Speaker 2: Like what am I gonna do? It's blowing up my
Speaker 2: whole life, and we don't think about that either, like
Speaker 2: oh fuck, suddenly at the office everyone could turn against you,
Speaker 2: or you get or or you Yeah, your social life
Speaker 2: can also get fucked up outside of money, so is.
Speaker 3: It worth it?
Speaker 2: But then she finally is like, okay, okay, I'll do it,
Speaker 2: but do me a favor. Send the cops in tomorrow
Speaker 2: during my shift. I want to see him go down.
Speaker 2: So that was a quick one eighty.
Speaker 1: Things escated quickly from like no, no, no, it's like, okay, yeah, he.
Speaker 3: Took my underwhere he's agreed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they run in to arrest him. Carriese has
Speaker 2: a really sweet smirk on his face. The front of
Speaker 2: house manager like swips her head and stares down Kayla.
Speaker 2: Carisy arrests the Jewish chef in front of everybody, and
Speaker 2: he says, ungrateful, bitch, you're fired. As he's out of there,
Speaker 2: he pleads not guilty. Obviously, bail is one million. So
Speaker 2: this judge is Edward Cofax. He's been in five episodes.
Speaker 2: You might remember him from being the leader of a
Speaker 2: sex trafficking ring and murdering a sex worker.
Speaker 3: You remember that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's like the sex ring guy, you know.
Speaker 2: So anyway, there's one hundred and thirty five credits. He's
Speaker 2: a real working man. He's been in Prime, which is
Speaker 2: one of my favorite movies of all time. He's been
Speaker 2: an original recipe, Criminal Intent, The Devil Wears Prada. He's
Speaker 2: like an editor, and he's a I hurt huckuppies. So yeah,
Speaker 2: he's been working. He was in Big Ghostbusters. I don't
Speaker 2: care about those movies.
Speaker 3: Maybe you do. Those seem like big ones.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's just recognizable, and I thought I would
Speaker 2: give him a little shout out because our episodes are
Speaker 2: not long enough. Okay, So they go they go into
Speaker 2: chambers to talk about whether the other three victims can
Speaker 2: take the stand, and of course the guy that's like
Speaker 2: in charge of sex trafficking rings is not gonna allow this.
Speaker 2: And the defense attorney here is Regina Carter and she's
Speaker 2: been in two episodes as her and then as a
Speaker 2: different character in another episode called Undercover Mother, and her
Speaker 2: real name is Amanda Warner and she is working, busy,
Speaker 2: blessed like she is.
Speaker 3: I think she's about to really hugely blow up.
Speaker 2: She's in the new show Dickenson, that's like her current ah,
Speaker 2: her current big show. So they're arguing and the judge says, no,
Speaker 2: you can't, you can't use them. So Stone and Benson
Speaker 2: are doing a walk and talk and again she's like, motherfucker.
Speaker 2: Chris Hodgkins like you have to look it up, Like
Speaker 2: why would he do this?
Speaker 3: It's not his reputation.
Speaker 2: He loves going after sexual abusers, like yeah, you just
Speaker 2: fucking listen. And it is like listen to her because
Speaker 2: he made a comment earlier in the episode of like.
Speaker 3: You know, I learned from the best.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I don't know why he's not just doing exactly what
Speaker 2: she said immediately as she said it, but he's gonna
Speaker 2: finally like go into it. So he goes to some
Speaker 2: bar to confront Chris. So Stone meets at a bar.
Speaker 2: They have a back and forth. Oh and Chris knows
Speaker 2: Peter Stone from like his sport day or the bartender.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the bartender.
Speaker 1: No, no, Stone used to play professional baseball before he
Speaker 1: became an Ada. That's so funny. I forget about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: did he get an injured or I guess. So they
Speaker 1: like talk about it all the fucking time.
Speaker 3: Well that's how much I fucking hate him.
Speaker 2: So whatever, So they talk about his like baseball time,
Speaker 2: and then the bartender with.
Speaker 3: A sexy, sexy Irish accent.
Speaker 2: Gives the puzzle piece that they need to like fill
Speaker 2: up the case and basically, Chris played sports in East
Speaker 2: rockawaym So yeah, so this is amazing that we find
Speaker 2: out this evidence. Okay, they're both for East Rockaway. They
Speaker 2: lived around the corner from each other and our best friends.
Speaker 2: So case closed, Jake, and give another half hour of
Speaker 2: this episode.
Speaker 3: But this is huge.
Speaker 2: So a man is being an idiot being like but
Speaker 2: she he loves protecting victims and Finns like, grow up,
Speaker 2: you dumb bitch. Come on, we work at su like
Speaker 2: so many quote unquote good people attack people.
Speaker 3: And then but.
Speaker 2: Amanda's not all idiot, and she brings up a great point.
Speaker 2: She goes, why would the Sky risk his whole political
Speaker 2: career in life on this guy? Like there has to
Speaker 2: be more to the case. There has to be more
Speaker 2: and finigrees, so they need to find out what's next.
Speaker 2: So they start going through all the finances. So they
Speaker 2: start doing finances, and you know, I love when they
Speaker 2: like work late and there's rappers and plates around and
Speaker 2: papers and messy and they're trying to crack the case.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: And so in his bank account, he's making like two
Speaker 2: to three million a year. And then Ice make some
Speaker 2: joke about a cardiologist. I don't even get the joke.
Speaker 2: It's obviously a burn against Amanda, but I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Get this because her second kid, the baby daddy, is
Speaker 1: a cardiologist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but who cares? What is the burn?
Speaker 1: I don't get it, Like, I think he's just kind
Speaker 1: of like, I know, you're dating a cardiolo.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like one of those things where like she's so
Speaker 1: private and he's like, I know something I don't know.
Speaker 3: I really don't know it. But that's that's the point.
Speaker 3: I think. Yeah, I just I didn't really get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I suggest the most fin thing in
Speaker 2: the world, which is let's just go home and get
Speaker 2: six hours of sleep with So then we cut to
Speaker 2: a dark stairwell moment where and you're not supposed to
Speaker 2: really know what's happening, and there's like green lights and
Speaker 2: it's dark.
Speaker 3: Very Watergate is that it water you have very deep throat.
Speaker 2: So Benson's in the stairwell and she's talking to someone
Speaker 2: about something. I can't really get what's going on, but
Speaker 2: I hear when something hit and tomorrow morning, so it's like,
Speaker 2: what's going on? So then we cut back to the
Speaker 2: station and Finn is like, Hey, Amanda, I want to
Speaker 2: share the cinnamon raisin bagel. And you know I love food,
Speaker 2: so I like that. And he also apologizes for like
Speaker 2: busting her chops the night before. So then it's break
Speaker 2: time on that and Careesy runs in with the paper
Speaker 2: and the cover of the paper is the case of
Speaker 2: the two men's photos, and somebody leaked it to the press,
Speaker 2: So now we know what the stairwell was. And I
Speaker 2: think Benson sold it to a journalist, which that's fucked up, right,
Speaker 2: I mean I.
Speaker 1: Think she kind of Benson would only do that if
Speaker 1: she thought, like strategically she needed to do it, Like
Speaker 1: they're gonna know it's very me too, Like they know
Speaker 1: that they need to gather many women in order to
Speaker 1: make a case like this.
Speaker 3: You know, you're so smart. Yeah, that totally makes sense.
Speaker 2: So a woman walks in while they're doing this and
Speaker 2: she wants to report a sex crime and she has
Speaker 2: the newspapers. They go, oh, you got a story about Andrew,
Speaker 2: and she goes, no. The other guy Chris. So that's,
Speaker 2: you know, a twist, a twist. So now Benson sits
Speaker 2: down with the woman. Her name is Bethany Fisher and
Speaker 2: played by actress Sarah bus So. This happened when she
Speaker 2: was fifteen at a house party and kids from far
Speaker 2: Rockaway came to this party. There's about ten or twelve
Speaker 2: of them, and one of the boys brought tequila and
Speaker 2: she ended up in the bedroom with Chris and one
Speaker 2: of his friends. Maybe it was Andrew, but she can't
Speaker 2: really remember his name. Chris pushed her onto the floor,
Speaker 2: got on top of her, pinned her down, and put
Speaker 2: his hand down her pants, and the other guy was
Speaker 2: like cheerleading and saying, go for it, dude. She said
Speaker 2: she was screaming, but like, get off of me, get
Speaker 2: off of me. But then he covered her mouth and
Speaker 2: she was crying. And she has this is like amazing performance.
Speaker 2: She's a really great talented actress, communicating very well, and
Speaker 2: she continues that he tried to penetrate her, but she
Speaker 2: was able to get free and she ran away, and
Speaker 2: they asked did she'd tell anyone ever? And she did
Speaker 2: tell a therapist wait like years years later, who encouraged
Speaker 2: her to tell her husband, who she did reveal this
Speaker 2: too the previous year. So also her friend Emily was
Speaker 2: at the party, and Emily could see that she was
Speaker 2: very upset, but she didn't tell her what happened.
Speaker 3: So they find Emily.
Speaker 2: And they're talking to her asking about the parties, and
Speaker 2: she's like, oh, and then it hits her and she goes, oh,
Speaker 2: that party, So that's pointed like, obviously something happened if
Speaker 2: it clicks to her.
Speaker 3: She said it was a big party, thirty to forty kids.
Speaker 2: There was a keg and Bethany came out of the
Speaker 2: bedroom and said we need to leave right away. She
Speaker 2: wasn't into talking, but they knew something bad happened, and
Speaker 2: she goes, I don't know what happened in that bedroom.
Speaker 2: There was two boys from high school and she names
Speaker 2: them Chrishajens and Andrew Lebowitz, and she knew something terrible happened,
Speaker 2: but again would not say anything, and she was shaking,
Speaker 2: and she was just telling her friend Emily, like, find
Speaker 2: me a cap. Bethany begged her not to say anything,
Speaker 2: and Emily was fifteen years old and she listened, and Chris,
Speaker 2: you know she's not a stabler. And Chris is now
Speaker 2: entering an interrogation room, yelling and screaming how he's over
Speaker 2: this and like what the fuck? So he thinks this
Speaker 2: is about Andrew and he's annoyed at all this, and
Speaker 2: they let him know, no, it's actually a girl that
Speaker 2: you raped in high school. And in the middle of
Speaker 2: say I love these middle of I love the I
Speaker 2: love the facial expressions and the acting of like when
Speaker 2: you see someone realize something mid sentence, like with Emi
Speaker 2: and this guy, like, I don't know why these scenes.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's excite me, but I'm into it.
Speaker 2: So in the middle of saying I have no idea
Speaker 2: what you're talking about, he realizes what's up.
Speaker 3: And and by the way.
Speaker 2: The guy who's playing Chris Hodgens is Jacob Ritz and
Speaker 2: he was in Sex in the City and you remember
Speaker 2: this episode. He was in the episode What Comes Around
Speaker 2: Goes around. It's one of your favorites. So when Samantha
Speaker 2: Jones goes to an NYU dorm party to meet a
Speaker 2: guy named Samantha sam Jones, this is him. He loses
Speaker 2: his virginity to Samantha Jones and then falls obsessed in
Speaker 2: love with her. But yeah, so he played this like
Speaker 2: dorky guy and he's pretty hot in this episode outside
Speaker 2: of his personality and crimes.
Speaker 3: So he grew into his face.
Speaker 2: And he's from Connecticut, Kara, Ooh maybe Weston, Weston, Connecticut.
Speaker 1: Which is right in your Westport, where my brother lives
Speaker 1: where we're going for the holidays.
Speaker 3: Uh, he should heat that pool up.
Speaker 1: Oh in December, we'll see. And Benson makes it clear
Speaker 1: that like she saw him realize what happened, Like, you're
Speaker 1: not getting out of this.
Speaker 2: So it was a party fifteen years ago. He says
Speaker 2: he didn't touch the girl, but uh, Andrew did, and Benson.
Speaker 3: Goes, that was fast.
Speaker 2: You know, you've been protecting this guy for fucking decades
Speaker 2: and you just turn on him so quick. Like my
Speaker 2: mom says, how you do one thing is how you
Speaker 2: do everything. You know, bad people are not going to
Speaker 2: be great loyal friends. Okay, so he says it was
Speaker 2: all Andrew and that he pushed Andrew off the girl,
Speaker 2: and they're like, okay, get off this, like what like,
Speaker 2: oh me the hero?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: They they're like shut up.
Speaker 2: But he takes credit how he helped change sexual assault
Speaker 2: vibes from back in the day and how things are different,
Speaker 2: and they go, no, you're a hypocrite and you're a
Speaker 2: fucking rapist, like that's why you're doing all this, and
Speaker 2: Chris says that it's laughable, but it's like, this isn't
Speaker 2: funny at all. I don't get it, all right, whatever,
Speaker 2: and he also it's like, also, like, if you know
Speaker 2: that Andrew has been doing this forever, why didn't you
Speaker 2: prosecute him?
Speaker 3: Like you care so much about.
Speaker 2: Victims and you know that he did this, and why
Speaker 2: didn't you charge any of the other women?
Speaker 3: And then Chris goes, are you charging me?
Speaker 2: And they say no, but you better make this right
Speaker 2: and he agrees to do whatever Benson says, because he
Speaker 2: refuses to let some liar girl ruin his reputation. So
Speaker 2: what the plan we can assume is a wire recording situation,
Speaker 2: which I love. I will never be upset about a
Speaker 2: hidden wire and I hope one day I get to
Speaker 2: be in a situation where I get to where a
Speaker 2: hidden wire. It's so it's the two of the rape
Speaker 2: men and they're chatting and eating in a giant empty
Speaker 2: like in the East Rockaway restaurant, and he's admitting she
Speaker 2: put up a fight but that just spiced things up.
Speaker 2: And the squad's in the van listening, and he tells Chris,
Speaker 2: you're playing with fire. You need to chill out, and
Speaker 2: he goes, yeah, but you know you always put my
Speaker 2: fires out, and I think that's a great writing. So
Speaker 2: Chris says, listen, I'm done. Stone came to see me.
Speaker 2: I saved your ass again, but I'm packed. I'm done.
Speaker 2: I'm not doing this. I'm running for office. And he says,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to get judge kevanad and
Speaker 2: Andrew X confused, and he said, you know, the thing
Speaker 2: from the high school party. So then they fight back
Speaker 2: and forth over who the rapist is and it's like,
Speaker 2: but the opposite isn't good either, Like that's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, maybe you didn't actively rape, but that
Speaker 2: means you did.
Speaker 3: Just watch your friend cheerlead. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's also like, you're not in the clear if
Speaker 2: you weren't, but you're still a rape adjacent character. But
Speaker 2: they're going back and forth over who did it, and
Speaker 2: then Andrew says, oh, you must have. I've been confused
Speaker 2: with one of the other nights and one of the
Speaker 2: other girls.
Speaker 3: We did this too, but not that night that was
Speaker 3: just you so already.
Speaker 2: Now we have a confession that they did this all
Speaker 2: over town at all parties, and how many high school
Speaker 2: age girls' lives have been ruined honestly thinking about it,
Speaker 2: And that's why I think about Kavin and all these motherfuckers.
Speaker 2: It's like, it doesn't stop if you get away within
Speaker 2: high school? Why would you stop? And this this episode
Speaker 2: is really well written. It's like, I really I liked
Speaker 2: a lot of the subtle moments and stuff, but just
Speaker 2: being able to in one sentence and discapsulate like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: we do this all the time.
Speaker 3: I just I don't know, it's the show is so good.
Speaker 2: The squad comes in to arrest them both and Benson
Speaker 2: calls Andrew his rape partner, Coriesie tells him about the wire,
Speaker 2: and then Chris is like, you are next to stone.
Speaker 3: Done. Done.
Speaker 2: They take them both away, and you know, obviously Andrew's upset.
Speaker 2: So Benson and Rollins have an end of shift chat
Speaker 2: and Rollins is like in painful being pregnant and starts
Speaker 2: talking about her old waitress days and how she's not
Speaker 2: like surprised by all the grab ass. She says, someone
Speaker 2: tried that, like a customer tried to assault her and
Speaker 2: she punched him in the face. And Kayla walks in,
Speaker 2: and since there's a new DA in Brooklyn, they tell
Speaker 2: her that he's gonna open all the old cases against Andrew. Yay,
Speaker 2: And she brought them a present. She brought them some
Speaker 2: fancy food from a new restaurant that she's employed at.
Speaker 2: So I'm glad she got another job. And they're hoping that,
Speaker 2: you know, these people will rotten jail forever, so that's good.
Speaker 2: We just hope the prosecutor does a good job. I
Speaker 2: smell a spin off Brooklyn Crimes maybe. And then it's
Speaker 2: just the end of credits, and it's kind of like
Speaker 2: a lackluster ending with I don't care for this ending
Speaker 2: at all. Yeah, but that's dick Wolf, baby, but dick Wolf,
Speaker 2: and I was loving the writing the whole time, and
Speaker 2: I know they usually end with someone looking into the distance,
Speaker 2: but there's like menie, I don't know. I didn't care
Speaker 2: for this ending. I thought it was boring, but great episode.
Speaker 2: And I can't wait to hear about the crimes because it's.
Speaker 1: You've heard of them, but I think I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you some details.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like it's yeah, I'm excited to learn more
Speaker 2: about these cases that did kind of rock all of
Speaker 2: our world's current like recently in our memories.
Speaker 3: So stay tuned for that.
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's see this episode aired November eighth of
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, a year earlier, is when a lot of
Speaker 1: the me too stuff blew up. The Harvey Weinstein stuf
Speaker 1: blew up in twenty seventeen, just for context, But then
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, right before midterm elections, was when we
Speaker 1: had all of the Rett Kavanaugh stuff.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go into a.
Speaker 1: Couple of different cases that I think this episode draws from.
Speaker 1: One being, of course, b At Cavanaugh and Mark Judge.
Speaker 3: I didn't know a lot about Mark Judge and never
Speaker 3: heard of him. Well, he's a huge part of the
Speaker 3: Kavanaugh case. And it's crazy.
Speaker 1: I think we were all directing our hatred at Cavanaugh,
Speaker 1: but this guy was is part of it, and that's
Speaker 1: who they draw on in this episode. So the brief
Speaker 1: recap of Cavanaugh is that in twenty July of twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: Trump nominated him to the Supreme Court. That same month,
Speaker 1: a woman named Christine Blasi Ford, who was a professor
Speaker 1: in California, wrote a letter to our senator here in California,
Speaker 1: Diane Feinstein, and accused Kavanaugh of sexual assault when they
Speaker 1: were in high school in nineteen eighty two. She said
Speaker 1: she was at a party in Maryland if you know
Speaker 1: the DC area, that's where they all grew up in
Speaker 1: the DC area. You know, like Maryland and Virginia are
Speaker 1: bordered right there. So they were like at a party
Speaker 1: in Maryland with Cavanaugh, his friend Mark Judge, and at
Speaker 1: least four other people. So it seemed like kind of
Speaker 1: a small party. Allegedly, she was upstairs or going upstairs.
Speaker 1: These two boys shoved her into a bedroom. Kavanaugh jumped
Speaker 1: on top of her and was aggressively groping her and
Speaker 1: trying to remove her clothes. They were both the boys
Speaker 1: were extremely drunk, and Kavanaugh covered her mouth, and she
Speaker 1: actually thought that he might accidentally kill her. Because she
Speaker 1: like by smothering her because she was covering he was
Speaker 1: covering her mouth like so hard.
Speaker 3: Eventually she was able to escape.
Speaker 1: So, like I said, I had never really heard of
Speaker 1: Mark Judge because I guess I was focused on Kevanaugh.
Speaker 3: He is an author and a journalist. He wrote a
Speaker 3: few different.
Speaker 1: Books, like one about being a young alcoholic, like a
Speaker 1: gen X alcoholic, and then he wrote another book called
Speaker 1: In God and Man at Georgetown Prep, which is a
Speaker 1: two thousand and five book. He wrote about the faculty
Speaker 1: at this prestigious I believe it's an all boys school
Speaker 1: in DC called Georgetown Prep, and how it had a
Speaker 1: lot of homosexual priests at the school, and how heavy
Speaker 1: drinking and wild parties were basically a way of life
Speaker 1: among the students. So when this all came out, Mark
Speaker 1: Judge sent a letter to the Senate Judicial Jerry Committee
Speaker 1: saying I have no memory of this alleged incident. And
Speaker 1: after seeing his denial, he had a girlfriend named Elizabeth
Speaker 1: Raysor who dated him for three years, who said she
Speaker 1: felt like she needed to challenge that account because she
Speaker 1: heard a completely different story from him. Basically, what he
Speaker 1: said when he was interviewed was yeah, I remember guys
Speaker 1: horse playing around a lot when we were drunk, but
Speaker 1: I never did that with women. None of us ever
Speaker 1: did that with women. You know, we only do that
Speaker 1: with guys. And then this girlfriend was like, she said
Speaker 1: that Judge had actually told her very ashamed of a
Speaker 1: time when him and a bunch of boys had had
Speaker 1: sex with a drunk woman taking turns. So she said
Speaker 1: that Judge seemed to regard it as a consensual thing,
Speaker 1: and that he didn't name others involved, and so she
Speaker 1: has no idea if Kavanaugh was involved in that act,
Speaker 1: in that incident, but she was like just kind of
Speaker 1: disturbed that he was trying to act like there was
Speaker 1: no sexual impropriety going on at Georgetown Prep when he
Speaker 1: had actually told her the opposite. So essentially, in the
Speaker 1: Ford case, if a lot of us remember, but just
Speaker 1: in case you don't. Ford's accusations were made public in
Speaker 1: a Washington Post report on September sixteenth, so this is
Speaker 1: a couple months after he's been nominated. Subsequently, two other
Speaker 1: women came forward. One was named Deborah Ramirez and one
Speaker 1: was named Julie Swetnik, and they both accused him of
Speaker 1: sexual assault instances in the past.
Speaker 3: Ramira said that he.
Speaker 1: Waved his penis in front of her at a dorm
Speaker 1: party in college. I think at Yale. I don't remember
Speaker 1: where they went to college. I think it was Yale.
Speaker 1: And then Sweatnick alleged that Kavana on his friends would
Speaker 1: spike drinks with drugs to make girls like pliable and
Speaker 1: more susceptible to sexual assault. And she said that Kavanaugh
Speaker 1: was present when she was gang raped at a party.
Speaker 1: And she basically said something along the lines of quote,
Speaker 1: they would line up outside rooms at many of these
Speaker 1: parties waiting for their quote turn with a girl inside
Speaker 1: the room end quote.
Speaker 3: And that's what's so fucked up.
Speaker 2: And you know that these people are full blown criminals
Speaker 2: because it's like you can get late in college.
Speaker 3: That's the point.
Speaker 2: Everyone's in college to fuck, you know, Like, yeah, you could,
Speaker 2: like girls got everyone's going out to fuck, So if
Speaker 2: you just wanted to get laid, it's pretty easy. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: Like it doesn't matter. You can get fucked in college.
Speaker 2: So like that's why these people are criminals. This isn't horseplay.
Speaker 2: This isn't you know, like lining up to rape someone
Speaker 2: that's unconscious in a room, Like these are all fucking
Speaker 2: criminal totally.
Speaker 3: It's just making me really mad.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm gonna get through this honestly, Like,
Speaker 2: because that's all the whole case was like horseplay, horseplay boy,
Speaker 2: Oh it was just college. It's like, no, you can
Speaker 2: get fucked in college. It's actually not that hard, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: And drinking is just not an excuse.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know, we need to be teaching men that,
Speaker 1: like a woman passed out is not a woman that's
Speaker 1: enjoying or consenting a sexual encounter. No, they know what
Speaker 1: they're doing. They're like criminals easy. It's actually discussing it's
Speaker 1: just so disgusting, like it's.
Speaker 2: Well, because that's what you talk about. They talk about
Speaker 2: like legality or not on all of that. It's like
Speaker 2: even if it's a consent or you're with, like why
Speaker 2: do you want to fuck a blacked out drunk person
Speaker 2: who cannot engage?
Speaker 3: Well, because it's about power. It's like look at Cosby.
Speaker 1: Cosby probably could have gotten many many women to consensually
Speaker 1: fuck him. He wanted to control women and do whatever
Speaker 1: he wanted them while they were incapacitated.
Speaker 3: It's like a power thing, you know.
Speaker 2: And they always say that no one believes it, because
Speaker 2: that's whole discussion with Louie where people are like, it's
Speaker 2: not that, you know, it's not these other cases, and
Speaker 2: I go, yeah, but the thing is, there's so many
Speaker 2: people who'd watch him jerk off, like tons of people
Speaker 2: I probably would have, you know what I mean, right,
Speaker 2: And that's not the point.
Speaker 1: The point point is making people, yeah, uncomforting, And.
Speaker 2: That's why the discussions with other comics are so annoying
Speaker 2: at times, because it's like, it's not about the action of.
Speaker 3: The jerking off at all.
Speaker 1: It's that he liked to do it in front of
Speaker 1: people who he knew didn't want to be there, right,
Speaker 1: Like why is that so hard to understand for.
Speaker 3: So many people? Because yeah, because we've talked about this before.
Speaker 3: He was he's a loaded man.
Speaker 1: He could have easily hired a sex worker to sit
Speaker 1: there and watch him jerk off.
Speaker 3: That's not the point, you know, Yeah, these are.
Speaker 2: It's like it's so fucked what we excuse as normal.
Speaker 2: But like you're like, what are your ideas of even
Speaker 2: fucking or sex with someone else if you don't that
Speaker 2: other person's enjoyment or even ability to be in the
Speaker 2: moment doesn't matter to you, Like, what do you think
Speaker 2: fucking is?
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's just okay, keep tilling, I'm going
Speaker 3: to stay.
Speaker 1: It's I think it's basically getting yours at whatever cost.
Speaker 3: That's what these guys are thinking. So okay.
Speaker 1: So September seventeenth, Kavanaugh denies everything I've never he says,
Speaker 1: never done anything like what the accuser describes to her
Speaker 1: or anyone. And then on the twenty seventh, both Ford
Speaker 1: and Kavanaugh testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Eventually, the
Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee the next day voted eleven to ten to
Speaker 1: send the Kavanaugh nomination to a full Senate with a
Speaker 1: favorable recommendation. But Senator Jeff Flake said, but let's do
Speaker 1: a one week in FBI investigation into the claims against him,
Speaker 1: and even he even threatened to like change his vote
Speaker 1: if that didn't happen. But it's all lip service, like
Speaker 1: it's bullshit. Like the FBI investigation was like very very
Speaker 1: limited at first. There were all these restrictions, like they
Speaker 1: were only allowed to talk to Mark Judge, they were
Speaker 1: only allowed to look into Ford and Ramirez his claims.
Speaker 1: Looking into Sweatnicks claims was blocked and only four individuals
Speaker 1: could be interviewed, Mark Judge Ramirez, Leland Kaiser, who was
Speaker 1: a friend of Ford's, who was allegedly also at the party,
Speaker 1: and PJ.
Speaker 3: Smith, who was another or PJ. Smyth.
Speaker 1: I don't know if miss smith Smyth another party attendee,
Speaker 1: Which makes no.
Speaker 2: Sense to me, because if you're asking the FBI to
Speaker 2: investigate everything, shouldn't they investigate everything? Yes, why would you
Speaker 2: put limits into an investigation if you want to find
Speaker 2: the truth.
Speaker 3: Why they didn't want to find the truth.
Speaker 1: Right, Because they didn't want to find the truth, because
Speaker 1: I think the whole thing was very set up just
Speaker 1: to act like they were being like bipartisan and like
Speaker 1: doing an investigation, but they weren't.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, because I mean you might get into all this,
Speaker 2: but like there's all this stuff where Kavanaugh's debts were
Speaker 2: paid off, and that's something with Kennedy happened, and Kennedy
Speaker 2: stepped down on purpose because of something behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: So Kavanaugh was like meant to be in the court
Speaker 2: to do some favors and all of his debts were
Speaker 2: paid off.
Speaker 1: I didn't read anything about the debts, but I didn't
Speaker 1: know about that that's really sketchy. I do know that,
Speaker 1: like one of the reasons Kennedy stepped down, they think
Speaker 1: is because Kavanaugh was being floated as a replacement, and
Speaker 1: he had like clerked for him and like knew him.
Speaker 1: So I think Kennedy thought, oh, if I go and
Speaker 1: Kavanaugh replaces me, then I feel more comfortable going.
Speaker 3: But I didn't know about all these debts. That's that's
Speaker 3: sketchy as far. Yeah, he had like.
Speaker 2: Millions and or hundreds of thousands in like credit card
Speaker 2: debts and like country club debts, and they were all
Speaker 2: paid off before he got on the bench by somebody
Speaker 2: Like this is so twisted, it and dark, and I
Speaker 2: bet in fifty years, I mean, we'll all be dead
Speaker 2: but or no one will investigate and these people will win.
Speaker 2: I mean that's this whole. This was such a scam.
Speaker 2: I mean, this was like such a hard time in life.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember, like women at that time, we were all
Speaker 1: just kind of like because we were all like beaten
Speaker 1: down by the Trump presidency in general, and then with this,
Speaker 1: we were just kind of like fuck.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 3: It was so depressing at that time.
Speaker 2: Because it basically showed the standard of like what happens
Speaker 2: to women. It was just like, because every I feel
Speaker 2: person has been in a moment like this scene, a
Speaker 2: moment felt this way.
Speaker 1: It really felt so personal, and she was so brave
Speaker 1: to come forward. Like people are like, oh, she did,
Speaker 1: what attention would be worth this? Like she had to
Speaker 1: like leave her job, she had to move her house,
Speaker 1: like she was docks like harassed there. She was completely
Speaker 1: like such a brave woman to just come up and say,
Speaker 1: this is the person that you're going to install onto
Speaker 1: the nation's highest court to make decisions about our bodies
Speaker 1: and our lives, and this is who he is. She
Speaker 1: could have absolutely said nothing, but she decided to step up.
Speaker 3: And I think she gained almost nothing from that. Nothing.
Speaker 3: So when people are.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, she had her own political reasons, but it's
Speaker 1: like no, like not like I just don't buy any
Speaker 1: of that shit. It was only hurt her to stand up,
Speaker 1: and she still did it.
Speaker 2: It's like of all the evidence and all the men
Speaker 2: that kill their wives and beat people and are serial killers,
Speaker 2: and people are still surprise, No, it must be for
Speaker 2: her doing attention. It's like how many more men need
Speaker 2: to do heinous crimes for you to just give the
Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt to someone I don't know it is.
Speaker 3: Well, so okay.
Speaker 1: On October first, a couple of days after the FBI
Speaker 1: investigation was launched, The Times reported that the White House
Speaker 1: had authorized the FBI to expand the investigation and they
Speaker 1: could interview anyone they want. So initially there were all
Speaker 1: these restrictions and only four people were allowed to be interviewed.
Speaker 1: And then a couple days later, okay, they loosened it up,
Speaker 1: and then the White House counsel Don McGahn told the
Speaker 1: FBI that they could expand the investigation. Great, Still, it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like anything's really being done. Ultimately, the FBI's
Speaker 1: investigation was basically for show. They later reports showed that
Speaker 1: they did not interview more than a dozen people who
Speaker 1: said they could provide information about the incidents of Kavanaugh
Speaker 1: exposing himself to women. Lawyers for Ford and Ramirez had
Speaker 1: sent the FBI director Ray they had sent him fifty
Speaker 1: plus individuals on a list that they could interview, and
Speaker 1: only nine of them were ever contacted, and all of
Speaker 1: those nine people were from a list that the Republicans
Speaker 1: had submitted.
Speaker 2: So well, and the fact that the whole thing was
Speaker 2: a week and it was rushed, and they rushed it
Speaker 2: before midterm election.
Speaker 3: I mean, this was a fucking farce.
Speaker 2: You know, it was completely it was a it was
Speaker 2: kind of like the Kyle Rittenhouse trial where it's like
Speaker 2: we knew what was going to happen before it happened.
Speaker 3: Like nothing was legit.
Speaker 1: Right, And then October fifth, the Senate voted fifty one
Speaker 1: to forty nine to approve Kavanaugh. I mean at that
Speaker 1: point it was a Republican a Senate. So Murkowski, who's
Speaker 1: a Republican, voted no, but Mansin voted yes, who's basically
Speaker 1: a Republican even though he's a Democrat.
Speaker 2: Isn'ty the number one reason why there's no paid maternity
Speaker 2: leave or child's leave?
Speaker 1: Now? I mean, Manchin is literally holding the government hostage
Speaker 1: like he's a nightmare.
Speaker 3: Like, but how is this one fucking guy, Like I don't.
Speaker 1: Get it because we're in a fifty to fifty Senate
Speaker 1: and if he votes against stuff, it's like then you know,
Speaker 1: so he's like got so much fucking power right now.
Speaker 2: The fact that this one guy is the reason women
Speaker 2: can't get paid leave when they have.
Speaker 1: A child, Yeah, Like he's the reason they had to
Speaker 1: cut so much out of the build back better plan
Speaker 1: and everything like it's well him and Cinema maybe too,
Speaker 1: I don't know. But Kavanaugh's confirmation, I didn't realize this
Speaker 1: was the most historically close confirmation vote in over one
Speaker 1: hundred years since eighteen eighty one or something, and even then,
Speaker 1: because there were fewer senators. If you do it by percentage,
Speaker 1: it was even closer than that. So because like the
Speaker 1: last vote was only a one was between one vote
Speaker 1: and this was between two votes, but percentage wise, this
Speaker 1: was closer. And now we all just have to accept
Speaker 1: that there's a man on the Supreme Court knowing all
Speaker 1: of the allegations that Christine bozi Ford made and believing
Speaker 1: them most of us, and it's just, you know, again,
Speaker 1: a horrible world to be a woman in. He also
Speaker 1: claimed in the court in the hearings that he never
Speaker 1: got blacked out and never didn't remember things he did,
Speaker 1: and all these people that went to college with him
Speaker 1: were like, uh, excuse me, and they all were.
Speaker 3: Like, yes, he did. He used to black out all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 1: So it's just like it's like you said you do
Speaker 1: one thing, how you do everything? Like this guy is
Speaker 1: like that's maybe he's married now and not sexually assaulting
Speaker 1: people anymore, but.
Speaker 2: He no, But you could even tell the way the
Speaker 2: woman stood, like I feel he beats his wife. I
Speaker 2: don't trust this motherfucker, Like the body language of when
Speaker 2: his family would stand and he paraded his wife like
Speaker 2: that is a silent woman who does not have ConTroll
Speaker 2: or power in that household.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The next case that this episode drew from are is
Speaker 1: obviously the Mario Batally sexual misconduct allegations. And like it's
Speaker 1: no secret that sexual harassment is rampant in the restaurant industry.
Speaker 1: They make that clear in the episode as well, like
Speaker 1: everyone's like part of the job, part of the job.
Speaker 1: Like and according to an article that I read in
Speaker 1: the Harvard Business Review, more sexual harassment claims in the
Speaker 1: US are filed in the restaurant industry than in any
Speaker 1: other whereas men As many as ninety percent of women
Speaker 1: and seventy percent of men reportedly experienced some fort of
Speaker 1: sexual harassment. Like I truly think it's one hundred percent
Speaker 1: if you really think about it, Like the other ten
Speaker 1: percent were probably like let me think and like couldn't
Speaker 1: think of but like they definitely have been like somebody
Speaker 1: has at least called you like sweet tits or something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: When you took their appetizer order.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like every waitress I feel
Speaker 1: like has had a problem, and probably men have happened
Speaker 1: as well too. I mean, according to this so specifically
Speaker 1: in this episode, it's about a celebrity chef, so it
Speaker 1: touches on the Mario Batali case.
Speaker 3: If you don't know Mario.
Speaker 1: Batali, he's like this big guy with red, slick back
Speaker 1: hair and he wore crocs.
Speaker 3: That's kind of his signature thing. Yeah, he was friends
Speaker 3: with Gwyneth Paltrow. I bet they're still friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, probably, And he was a chef and owner
Speaker 1: of a lot of high profile restaurants in New York
Speaker 1: and La and Vegas and apparently randomly Westport, Connecticut and
Speaker 1: other places, but mostly New York and La del Posto, Babo,
Speaker 1: La Cierna, Lupa, Otto, Beco, Casamono, Esca, Philidia barhamone in
Speaker 1: New York City, and then in La we've got Keith
Speaker 1: Bacha and Asteria Mozza. I've been to both of them.
Speaker 1: I've been to No, I haven't been to I've been
Speaker 1: to Austria.
Speaker 3: Mozza.
Speaker 1: I've been to Beco I think, and I've been to
Speaker 1: Babo once.
Speaker 3: Maybe I've been to Babo a few times.
Speaker 2: I really love it. I've been to Babo alone too,
Speaker 2: like just sat at the bar.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: I think I went to a baby shower at Babo
Speaker 1: too once during the day but for my friend who's
Speaker 1: little fancy.
Speaker 2: And I just actually had a stereo Matza takeoutten.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's really good.
Speaker 1: Well, I went there with our friends parents who were
Speaker 1: in town from Ohio and like to live it up
Speaker 1: when they come.
Speaker 3: Well, you took a limo there.
Speaker 1: Well, I was nine months pregnant, so I wasn't going
Speaker 1: to lower my body into a limo. But I did
Speaker 1: meet them there and they did take a limo and
Speaker 1: it was very funny. And then he had a lot
Speaker 1: of restaurants in Vegas that I think closed down recently.
Speaker 3: But so he also was a big TV.
Speaker 1: Personality, like he had a show on the Food Network
Speaker 1: called Molto Mario and was on Iron Chef America. And
Speaker 1: he was also a co host of a show called
Speaker 1: The Chew which I think Carla from Top Chef.
Speaker 2: Was on right, yes, yea, and chef Michael Simon who
Speaker 2: loved a Cleveland guy, and I don't know who else.
Speaker 1: So one other interesting thing I learned about Mario Batali
Speaker 1: is that he is married to a woman named Susie Kahan,
Speaker 1: who is the daughter of the founders of Coach, the
Speaker 1: Purses and Wallace. Yeah, so he married into money and
Speaker 1: then he also was very successful and in addition to
Speaker 1: high priced handbags. I read the Khan family because of
Speaker 1: their travels all around the world with their purses and
Speaker 1: like leather business, they got very into like delicious cheeses
Speaker 1: and stuff, and they got into the dairy farm business,
Speaker 1: and Batali would use Coach farm products in all his
Speaker 1: restaurants around the country.
Speaker 3: I thought that was interesting. It is interesting.
Speaker 1: So, like I said at the beginning, this is timed
Speaker 1: a little bit perfectly with like twenty seventeen October is
Speaker 1: when Weinstein's allegation surface and the met too movement is
Speaker 1: like gaining all this steam. And then in December of
Speaker 1: that same year, December of twenty seventeen, the food website
Speaker 1: Eater dropped this big piece about Mario Batali that talked
Speaker 1: about four women who all accused Batali of sexual harassment
Speaker 1: and sexual misconduct. One woman said that she didn't work
Speaker 1: for him. She just met him at a party. She
Speaker 1: was like a fan, and she went up to talk
Speaker 1: to him. She spilled wine on her chest, like down
Speaker 1: her top, and he started like groping at her breast,
Speaker 1: being like, let me help you with that, like a
Speaker 1: real creep, and was like groping her bare breasts. And
Speaker 1: then three other women that talked to eat all anonymously
Speaker 1: because they fear retaliation.
Speaker 3: They had all been employees of Batali.
Speaker 1: One said over the course of two years, he repeatedly
Speaker 1: grabbed her from behind and held her tightly against his body.
Speaker 1: Another alleged groping and said, in a separate incident, he
Speaker 1: compelled her to straddle him. Basically I read a more
Speaker 1: in detail thing about this, like he wouldn't move his
Speaker 1: legs when she was trying to get in and out
Speaker 1: of her room, so she had to straddle him to
Speaker 1: get out of the room. And then when she came back,
Speaker 1: he was like sorry about it and made her do
Speaker 1: it again so she could come back into the room.
Speaker 1: Like just gross, like shit, that seems like high school
Speaker 1: boy teasing shit, but is actually like pretty gross and dehumanizing. Well,
Speaker 1: he's also like not to you know, he also looks
Speaker 1: like shit, like he's not a hot guy. And so
Speaker 1: to me, it's like it's a genre of person where
Speaker 1: it's like you are working to become popular and successful
Speaker 1: so you can do these things that you feel entitled
Speaker 1: to or you want it to do.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like a tale as old as time.
Speaker 2: It's like you couldn't get the action you wanted, probably
Speaker 2: as a teen, and now you get to do whatever
Speaker 2: the fuck you want.
Speaker 3: And no one cares.
Speaker 1: So like another the fourth woman said that he grabbed
Speaker 1: your breast at a party, though she was no longer
Speaker 1: an employee at that point. And it was reported that
Speaker 1: in October twenty seventeen, a couple months before this came
Speaker 1: out and employee at B and B, which is Batally
Speaker 1: and Bastianich that's his partner, was Joe Bostianicch and all
Speaker 1: these restaurants, so that their thing was called B and
Speaker 1: B and they report Apparently in October twenty seventeen, inappropriate
Speaker 1: behavior by Batally was reported to the company and it
Speaker 1: was the first formal complaint about him, and he was
Speaker 1: reprimanded and required to under go training, according to the company.
Speaker 1: And this is like in October of twenty seventeen, when like, yes,
Speaker 1: the winds of change were already blowing, Weinstein was happening
Speaker 1: like there's no way in fucking hell. That was his
Speaker 1: first actual complaint. It was just the first one that
Speaker 1: somebody felt ballsy enough to.
Speaker 3: Report.
Speaker 1: So basically the day after this eat a report came out,
Speaker 1: four more women came forward, and then his whole life
Speaker 1: basically imploded. Three days after this report came out, he
Speaker 1: was fired from the two The Food Network pulled Multo Mario,
Speaker 1: and Target pulled all of his sauces and cookbooks. And
Speaker 1: here's the thing. But Tally did not deny any of
Speaker 1: these allegations. In a statement to Eater, he said, quote,
Speaker 1: I apologize to the people I have mistreated and hurt.
Speaker 1: Although the identities of most of the individuals mentioned in
Speaker 1: these stories have not been revealed to me, much of
Speaker 1: the behavior described does in fact match up with ways
Speaker 1: I have acted. That behavior was wrong, and there are
Speaker 1: no excuses. I take full responsibility, and I am deeply sorry
Speaker 1: for any pain, humiliation, or discomfort I have caused to
Speaker 1: my peers, employees, customers, friends and family.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, it's.
Speaker 1: Funny because I'm so tempted to be like, well, at
Speaker 1: least that's a good apology, but I'm like, no, this
Speaker 1: guy's only sorry he got caught, you know, like he
Speaker 1: would have kept doing this for years and years. I'm sure,
Speaker 1: but I think that that is at least a good
Speaker 1: way to apologize, whereas like Louis's apology, where he's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I guess I.
Speaker 3: Kind of did something wrong.
Speaker 1: Didn't seem that bad, you know, these wishy, washy apologies, Like,
Speaker 1: at least this man is just saying, yeah, I was
Speaker 1: a fucking asshole, and like I'm sorry, even though I
Speaker 1: do think he's only mad he got caught, so yeah,
Speaker 1: like I said, many of the people who spoke with
Speaker 1: Eaterer were afraid of retribution for speaking out, and a
Speaker 1: woman who claimed she was inappropriately touched while working for
Speaker 1: Batali in the nineties told Eter quote, he has clear
Speaker 1: intent on being threatening when he's wrong, and the level
Speaker 1: of vindictiveness is very chilling. So it never occurred to
Speaker 1: me to share tales out of school. And she also
Speaker 1: went on to say this wasn't just some dirty jokes,
Speaker 1: this was mean, This was about asserting power.
Speaker 3: He is awful, and then Another woman.
Speaker 1: Separately said, he gets wasted, he's arrogant, and he acts
Speaker 1: like he's God's gift to women. This is still your industry.
Speaker 1: You're a leader in this industry. If you behave this way,
Speaker 1: what kind of example are you setting? So essentially he
Speaker 1: lost all that stuff by twenty nineteen, the beginning of
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, he divested from all of his businesses. So
Speaker 1: those restaurants still stand, but he's divested from them.
Speaker 3: But it is wild.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the right word to think
Speaker 2: about this, where it's like, quote unquote Kavanaugh did worse
Speaker 2: stuff and he is a Supreme Court justice, and then
Speaker 2: this guy did divest from all his businesses and give
Speaker 2: up all these things. It's like it's kind of what's
Speaker 2: the game where you throw dart? It's like darts, it's
Speaker 2: like throwing It's like you don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: You could fully rape people and get off and live
Speaker 2: a great life like Bill Cosby in jail.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yeah, I think Bill Cosby got out. Yeah,
Speaker 3: But like it is, you never know.
Speaker 2: You just never know what will stick and what doesn't.
Speaker 2: It's even during the Me Too movement, like people keep
Speaker 2: talking about James Frank.
Speaker 1: No one actually cares, you know, It's like you can't.
Speaker 1: That's why guys have to be careful.
Speaker 2: Don't leave your house, leave your don't leave your house,
Speaker 2: stay inside, don't go anywhere, do anything. Don't risk it.
Speaker 2: Why would you risk it because you don't know how
Speaker 2: it'll end up.
Speaker 1: We'll let you know when you're allowed out of your house, okay, man,
Speaker 1: I mean if men were not allowed out of the house,
Speaker 1: there would be no there'd be a lot less crime.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 1: So in May of twenty nineteen, but Tally was charged
Speaker 1: with indecent assault and battery and was scheduled to be
Speaker 1: arraigned in Boston Municipal Court and then and in court,
Speaker 1: this accuser described an event that took place after she
Speaker 1: took a selfie with U Batally in twenty seventeen. She
Speaker 1: said he quote grabbed her breasts, buttocks, and groin forcibly,
Speaker 1: kissed her mouth and cheeks, and suggested they head to
Speaker 1: his nearby hotel. Batally has pled no not guilty to
Speaker 1: these charges and he will actually be heading to trial
Speaker 1: in Boston for this in April and then in July
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one. So just this past July, but
Speaker 1: Tally and Joe Bastianich, his partner, his former restaurant partner,
Speaker 1: agreed to a settlement in the New York Cases where
Speaker 1: he would pay six hundred thousand dollars to more than
Speaker 1: twenty employees of their restaurants, Babo, Loopa and Del Posto.
Speaker 2: Why they're save, there's there's sharing the six hundred or
Speaker 2: each other.
Speaker 3: Sounds like they each get six hundred. Wow, love that
Speaker 3: it does. It's just crazy to.
Speaker 1: Me that this was all going on while I was
Speaker 1: making reservations for my mean boss at the time, okay,
Speaker 1: at the same restaurants. So basically some of the stuff
Speaker 1: I was reading is like, the reason that the restaurant
Speaker 1: business has such a high rate of sexual assault and
Speaker 1: misconduct and harassment is because there's a huge power gap.
Speaker 1: A lot of men are in positions of power in
Speaker 1: the restaurant industry and women are in lower positions. There's
Speaker 1: a high turnover rate. There's that customer is always right mentality,
Speaker 1: which like kind of allows customers to treat servers however
Speaker 1: they want. And then tipping, of course makes service staff
Speaker 1: much less likely to come forward because they're relying on
Speaker 1: tip money. Also, what I was reading in this article
Speaker 1: from the Harvard Business Review is it's a looks industry,
Speaker 1: and like a culture that emphasizes and rewards looks and
Speaker 1: ways can help customers and managers justify sexual harassment in
Speaker 1: some ways. I mean, it's not right, but that is
Speaker 1: what's happening. And they basically said that to change the system,
Speaker 1: there need to be systems in place for employees to
Speaker 1: go when they have complaints, even if it's the manager
Speaker 1: is the one that's bothering them. There needs to be
Speaker 1: like a backup of where they can go if the
Speaker 1: manager is the one.
Speaker 3: Committing the.
Speaker 1: Harassment, and that there should be the same way that
Speaker 1: there's secret shoppers who come in to eat at a
Speaker 1: restaurant and tell you what you're doing wrong, there should
Speaker 1: secret people. There should be people that just drop in
Speaker 1: and interview the staff about what's going on and like
Speaker 1: allow them to have an opportunity to voice their concerns.
Speaker 1: And then they basically suggest that all employees should take
Speaker 1: bystander intervention training so that witnesses of harassment know how
Speaker 1: to identify and help women who experience it. And yeah,
Speaker 1: basically the restaurant industry really needs to firmly address customer
Speaker 1: based sexual harassment as well, Like they should be relying
Speaker 1: on managers to protect their employees from unwanted behavior from customers.
Speaker 1: So if like a customer is harassing someone like they
Speaker 1: need to be the server needs to be moved off
Speaker 1: the table on the first warning, and then if there's
Speaker 1: an if it happens again, they need the customer needs
Speaker 1: to be removed from the establishment. So just a few
Speaker 1: things that this article is suggesting for ways to stop it.
Speaker 1: But I'm also in the sister peg segment going to
Speaker 1: give you a resource.
Speaker 3: And yeah, that's kind of what's up.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what but Tally's up to now
Speaker 1: besides gearing up for that April court date. And it
Speaker 1: just sucks that a restaurant an industry that we enjoy
Speaker 1: so much. We love going out to eat, both you
Speaker 1: and I like it provides so much joy for people,
Speaker 1: and like it just can be a nightmare for people
Speaker 1: that are trying to like make ends meet and work
Speaker 1: under duress in shitty situations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird that all male dominated industries have so
Speaker 2: many problems.
Speaker 3: I wonder why, I mean, really seriously fucked up.
Speaker 1: I think whoever took over Batally like to somebody who
Speaker 1: took over at their business group was a woman like
Speaker 1: they and a lot of like the Spotted Pig was
Speaker 1: a huge thing. Like I actually knew a girl back
Speaker 1: in New York who was a big uh witness or
Speaker 1: a victim in the Spotted Pig thing, which Batally was
Speaker 1: an investor of. But it was the different owners of
Speaker 1: the Spotted Pig that were sexual harassing and uh, the
Speaker 1: Spotted Pig got a female manager. I think like they're
Speaker 1: all trying to bring in more females to positions of.
Speaker 3: Power to try to counteract some of that. Although I've
Speaker 3: heard of nightmare women bosses too, so of cour well
Speaker 3: that's or are they in the movies?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but our friends, the husband just got a new
Speaker 2: job and it's a female owner, and already he's noticed
Speaker 2: the differences and how amazing it is and how like
Speaker 2: you're encouraged to spend time with your family, you can
Speaker 2: make your own schedule like it just he's already realized
Speaker 2: how much better of an environment it was than his
Speaker 2: previous job.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I mean, but then there's luscious grape, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean? There is luicious grape.
Speaker 1: All right, we do have an awesome house though, So yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get on the interview train.
Speaker 3: Babies.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're so excited about today's guest. She was a
Speaker 1: delight to talk to.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 1: Guys might recognize her from another Dick Wolf property called FBI,
Speaker 1: but you know her this week as Bethany Fisher.
Speaker 3: Please enjoy our chat with Sarah Abuse.
Speaker 2: When you auditioned for SVU, were you living in New
Speaker 2: York or LA and tell us about the audition process
Speaker 2: if you watched the show before, how did you feel
Speaker 2: when you got the part, all of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, Yeah, So I was living in New York
Speaker 4: and I was living in Crown Heights in a different
Speaker 4: apartment though, and I had auditioned for it, and you
Speaker 4: know these things.
Speaker 5: I'm sure as you know at this point they moved
Speaker 5: so quickly.
Speaker 4: So I think what happened is I went in for
Speaker 4: the audition and maybe like they were like, hey, can
Speaker 4: you come back later that day for a director's session.
Speaker 5: Maybe that's what happened, or maybe it was the next day.
Speaker 4: It was really soon though, and so I went back
Speaker 4: to the director session and Monica Raymond directed that episode.
Speaker 5: Who so lovely.
Speaker 4: She was one of the leads in another Dick Wolf show,
Speaker 4: like I think it was Chicago Med. Maybe she was
Speaker 4: the lead in for a while and she's a great actor,
Speaker 4: but this was her first time directing something.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I felt really good about it and I
Speaker 5: left and I was like, oh, I think maybe maybe
Speaker 5: it's possible.
Speaker 4: I got that and I was really excited when I
Speaker 4: booked it because it was my first television job.
Speaker 5: That alone made it really exciting.
Speaker 4: But I had never and I have still never to
Speaker 4: this day, seen a full episode of the show.
Speaker 3: Oh, oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 5: I can't believe I just told you so.
Speaker 3: You didn't even watch your episode.
Speaker 5: I watched some of it.
Speaker 4: I watched my parts, and then you know, buried my
Speaker 4: head in the sand. It was like ugh, and I
Speaker 4: watched like some of the other scenes, but I didn't
Speaker 4: watch the full episode start to finish.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Wow, you're like one of the one
Speaker 1: percent of people on the planet maybe who have never
Speaker 1: watched a full episode of SVO.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm so fascinated by the fascination with the show,
Speaker 4: Like when I still we'll get text messages to this
Speaker 4: day or messages being like, oh my god, I saw
Speaker 4: you on STU And it's like the one thing that
Speaker 4: there's so many people who watch it and.
Speaker 5: I didn't even realize at the time.
Speaker 4: I knew it was a big show, but I didn't
Speaker 4: realize the this, you know, how many fans it had.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the actual like.
Speaker 4: Shooting of the episode was such a nightmare for me.
Speaker 4: Everyone on set was incredible. It's like such a well
Speaker 4: oiled machine over there, and people and not only is
Speaker 4: it a well oiled machine and everything is running so smoothly,
Speaker 4: but everyone is so.
Speaker 5: Kind and generous.
Speaker 4: But I, I mean you can sort of see, like
Speaker 4: when I looked back, I was like, oh yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean I basically had a panic attack on set, really bad.
Speaker 4: Like you can see when you're watching it that I
Speaker 4: kind of like break out in hives.
Speaker 3: Well, well, well take another watch. I did not. I
Speaker 3: didn't see the hivees.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can kind of see them on my chest
Speaker 4: where like when the makeup sort of starts to do.
Speaker 1: But maybe it's kind of good though, because like you
Speaker 1: are coming forward with kind of a great, like a
Speaker 1: really brave moment, and anybody would be like nerve wrecked
Speaker 1: and like you know, maybe breaking out in hives.
Speaker 4: Yeah maybe so yeah, maybe it worked, Maybe it worked,
Speaker 4: maybe it was all good, but yeah, it was one
Speaker 4: of those things where I just did everything that an
Speaker 4: actor like shouldn't do.
Speaker 5: Their first time on set.
Speaker 4: Like we were in the middle of shooting and I
Speaker 4: started getting really nervous and I was like not breathing,
Speaker 4: and I wasn't doing what the I felt the director
Speaker 4: wanted me to do, what Monica wanted from me, and
Speaker 4: I like wasn't getting there emotionally, and it was just
Speaker 4: so wrapped.
Speaker 5: Up in my head. And you know, one of.
Speaker 4: Those things that happened sometimes is like this isn't going well,
Speaker 4: and then your nerves get in the way and it's
Speaker 4: just keeps getting worse and worse, or at least that's
Speaker 4: what's happening inside your head.
Speaker 5: And I remember.
Speaker 4: Marishka was so lovely and just trying to like hold
Speaker 4: my hand and walk me through this, and Monica as well.
Speaker 4: She was She's like hey, She's like, let's take a
Speaker 4: step outside, and she takes a deep breath and she's like,
Speaker 4: this is my first time directing an episode on a
Speaker 4: TV show, And I was like, yeah, this is my
Speaker 4: first time acting and what she was like, Okay, great,
Speaker 4: let's just sit here and let's just do some breathing
Speaker 4: you and me, and she really like, I mean, it
Speaker 4: was incredible and she was so kind to do that
Speaker 4: because you know, time is money on set, and when
Speaker 4: you're wasting time, like it's annoying and it's costing people money.
Speaker 4: So she was really kind and patient with me. And
Speaker 4: of course I left that experience being like, I'm never
Speaker 4: gonna work in this town again, no one's ever gonna
Speaker 4: hire me again.
Speaker 5: And then I got a job.
Speaker 4: They're like two jobs later that I got another TV
Speaker 4: job was specifically because of my work on SVU, and
Speaker 4: then they wound up writing this like huge paragraph for
Speaker 4: me and like changing it from a co star to
Speaker 4: a guest star because they remembered me from SVU.
Speaker 5: So it was like, you know, wow, we're so hard
Speaker 5: on ourselves sometimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, that's that's really cool though, that like they
Speaker 1: took the time to not be like snap out of it,
Speaker 1: you know, they kind of like worked with you and
Speaker 1: like gave you some encouragement.
Speaker 3: That's really awesome.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of also Marushka helping you out, so that
Speaker 1: scene where like you're with her and she gives you
Speaker 1: like the like I'm sorry that happened to you pity face.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how what does that feel like?
Speaker 1: I just feel like you're falling back and through it
Speaker 1: through a warmhole and time, Like how does it so funny?
Speaker 1: I like, the most compassionate person like in the world
Speaker 1: is looking at you like I'm sorry you went through that,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean she's really she's very generous. And it's
Speaker 4: so interesting because she has like very few lines, but
Speaker 4: I definitely remember in that scene, and I definitely remember
Speaker 4: feeling just like very her being very active and being
Speaker 4: with me and genuinely trying to comfort me. And I
Speaker 4: think that she's such a genuine person and that comes
Speaker 4: out in the role that she plays as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: And how is the scene where you walk into the
Speaker 2: precinct that's like a jealous you know, not we're not jealous,
Speaker 2: but that's a fun moment to be able to like
Speaker 2: walk in and everyone's standing there and be like.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, that was the fun I'm laughing because
Speaker 4: in that scene, like as we were rehearsing it, Iced
Speaker 4: Tea is in that scene and he's just a really
Speaker 4: funny dude and I think he has to eat a bagel.
Speaker 4: And I just thought of this this morning. He I
Speaker 4: remember him saying.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is probably the big bagel episode. Oh my god, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I took a photo of it. Wait I took a
Speaker 1: picture of it.
Speaker 3: Wait are you serious? Area, because he said he's.
Speaker 1: Never eaten a bagel, and like, right as you're walking in,
Speaker 1: he's holding a full bagel, but he hasn't taken a
Speaker 1: bite out of it. Oh, and everyone was flipping out,
Speaker 1: And this timeline actually works out.
Speaker 3: We would have to double check it. But everyone was.
Speaker 1: Like, boo, what the fuck? Why have when you hit
Speaker 1: it a bagel? And he was like, grow up, you losers.
Speaker 1: I don't want to.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if this was the episode where
Speaker 2: people are like Ice is gonna try a bagel?
Speaker 4: Like, wait a second, it's this is an ongoing thing
Speaker 4: with him that he hasn't had a bagel.
Speaker 5: That wasn't a lie.
Speaker 3: Okay, no head that he said that.
Speaker 4: To us and me and I think it was Kelly
Speaker 4: or Peter were all standing there and we were like,
Speaker 4: you've never had a bagel. I didn't know that that
Speaker 4: was a thing before.
Speaker 1: Oh, you were there live, you were there as the
Speaker 1: story broke. Maybe I don't.
Speaker 4: Know, Maybe there was definitely I don't know, was that
Speaker 4: part of the original story. There's definitely a conversation happening
Speaker 4: with all of us, and everyone's in shock that a
Speaker 4: man who I think grew up in New York City
Speaker 4: right had never had a bagel, and we were just like.
Speaker 5: What are you You've never had a bagel?
Speaker 4: And he's like, he has this thing in his hands,
Speaker 4: and then I think he complained because it was cinnamon
Speaker 4: raisin too, or there was something else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely looked like it had stuff in it,
Speaker 1: that bagel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I don't know that he actually
Speaker 4: ever had any of it.
Speaker 1: I think he actually is a West Coast rapper, but
Speaker 1: he has at this point spent at least twenty plus
Speaker 1: years living in New York being on this show.
Speaker 3: But I think what happened was.
Speaker 1: During conversations with people like you, like the one that
Speaker 1: you're talking about, he started realizing, is this weird that
Speaker 1: I've never had a bagel? And then he said it
Speaker 1: on Twitter, I've never had a bagel, and that's when
Speaker 1: people went nuts. So I think you got in on
Speaker 1: the ground floor on this this whole yeah, because.
Speaker 4: There was definitely a lot of shock when he said it.
Speaker 4: There was just a lot of like, what, how is
Speaker 4: that possible that you can you can be an American
Speaker 4: person and never had a bagel before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just in New York like last week
Speaker 2: from Halloween for a week and I maybe had four.
Speaker 4: Essentially when you come from LA you guys have Mexican food,
Speaker 4: but we have good bagels.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Wow, I can't believe you were there for actual bagel coverage.
Speaker 3: This is wow amazing. Okay.
Speaker 1: So this character is like loosely based on Christine blasi
Speaker 1: Ford and like it's crazy because like her testimony was
Speaker 1: the end of September, this episode.
Speaker 3: Aired the beginning of November.
Speaker 1: You must have shot it in like October or something.
Speaker 4: Yes, And actually the audition came up to maybe not
Speaker 4: even two days, maybe twenty four hours after that story
Speaker 4: broke after she said she came out and said Brett
Speaker 4: Kavanaugh did this to me when we were kids, Like
Speaker 4: twenty four not more than forty eight hours later is
Speaker 4: when I got that audition.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that show knows how to rip from the headlines quickly.
Speaker 5: Very quickly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it was very much I was told from
Speaker 4: like the very start and was told along the way
Speaker 4: by several people like this is the Christine Blasi Ford
Speaker 4: of this episode.
Speaker 3: That case.
Speaker 2: I remember I was in Santranchi, Like I remember where
Speaker 2: I was throughout that whole thing, And it was Karen
Speaker 2: and I when we were discussing this, she said, like,
Speaker 2: this was a low point.
Speaker 3: This was like right before midterm.
Speaker 2: It was just a really sad time and it was
Speaker 2: such a letdown for everyone. And I was just really
Speaker 2: emotionally fucked from that case. Like do you remember the
Speaker 2: vibe on set or how you felt, and like just
Speaker 2: any comment on that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that I think this is part.
Speaker 4: I felt a huge responsibility to tell that story and
Speaker 4: to tell it well because it did really shake me also,
Speaker 4: and it was it wasn't just that it happened. It
Speaker 4: was the fact that there was a huge a number
Speaker 4: of people who wouldn't give her story credit at all,
Speaker 4: and that.
Speaker 5: That really pissed me off.
Speaker 4: And hearing her, I mean I watched her speak and
Speaker 4: at the hearing, and I mean, you couldn't not be
Speaker 4: touched by that and affected by it, and then against.
Speaker 5: What he had to say too, which was so infuriating.
Speaker 5: I mean that type of dude.
Speaker 4: I just feel like we all know that guy, and
Speaker 4: the fact that he still won and that he still
Speaker 4: has a seat and he's a Supreme Court justice makes
Speaker 4: me so angry.
Speaker 5: I think at the point that we started.
Speaker 4: Shooting this episode, there was definitely this feeling like I
Speaker 4: think when people were like, you're the Christine Blasi Ford
Speaker 4: of this episode, there was something behind it. They weren't
Speaker 4: just saying that as like a factual like this, No,
Speaker 4: it was women who were telling me that, and it
Speaker 4: was I think because they were feeling the weight of
Speaker 4: it too, and so it was it was said in
Speaker 4: this sort of way of maybe like you have this
Speaker 4: responsibility or maybe that's how I interpreted it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like we always talk on the podcast about how, like,
Speaker 1: you know, SVU is a fantasy world. So it's like,
Speaker 1: at least it's like a fantasy of a justice system
Speaker 1: that most women would like to see, you know. And
Speaker 1: so I feel like, at least in this episode, that
Speaker 1: guy's never going to be a politician, like that guy's
Speaker 1: you know, probably going to jail. So we got some
Speaker 1: justice for this this ada in Brooklyn, right.
Speaker 4: I think I even maybe had commented something when I
Speaker 4: had posted about it when after the show had aired,
Speaker 4: or just when it was about to I had maybe
Speaker 4: posted something like you know this has a better.
Speaker 2: Ending, hmmm, yeah, and you said something about like no
Speaker 2: one was a lot of people weren't giving credit to
Speaker 2: her story. And I remember seeing something that has affected
Speaker 2: me since, where like just imagining any young people who
Speaker 2: have been assaulted and then hearing their parents talk shit
Speaker 2: about her or not believe her in front of them,
Speaker 2: and like how that has influenced a whole younger generation
Speaker 2: to not come forward because of the way she was treated.
Speaker 3: And that makes me so mad too.
Speaker 4: Right, I mean it was so incredibly brave of her too.
Speaker 4: They were getting death threats. She had to move.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she lost her job, Like right, she was so terrified.
Speaker 4: This is like the last thing that but she had
Speaker 4: to She was so scared. But she had to overcome
Speaker 4: that because her speaking out to her was was way
Speaker 4: more important she felt at the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because she probably knew she was not the only
Speaker 2: person like there, you know, once you get away with it,
Speaker 2: let's stopped again.
Speaker 3: But we'll switch directions. Yeah, to lighten things up.
Speaker 2: Obsessed with your jewelry, it's beautiful, My standard of jewelry
Speaker 2: I always say is like, would Jennifer Aniston wear it?
Speaker 2: And I think she would wear it?
Speaker 5: Oh, thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw some Opal pieces. I'm an Opal fan.
Speaker 5: Nice I love opals too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard they're powerful, Yes, extremely powerful. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: She was so fun.
Speaker 1: And also if anybody's interested in her jewelry, it is
Speaker 1: called head found and her Instagram will obviously tag her
Speaker 1: on our Instagram, but it's basical b U E s
Speaker 1: icl and you can link to a lot of her jewelry,
Speaker 1: which we thought was very beautiful.
Speaker 3: Any thoughts on Hell's Kitchen?
Speaker 2: I mean, we're trying to go into the new year
Speaker 2: positive and I don't know, but it is just, you know,
Speaker 2: we look at history and we're like, how did things happen?
Speaker 2: And we are slowly sliding into I think, you know,
Speaker 2: a bad worst terrible moments. I don't know what's going
Speaker 2: to happen. But the Kavanaugh and the way victims are
Speaker 2: treated of sexual assault really add to it, and the
Speaker 2: farce of the investigation and what bullshit it was, and
Speaker 2: that he's serving on the court, and it's it's scary
Speaker 2: and fucked up. And they always say like they make
Speaker 2: us tired on purpose. So then we're like so used
Speaker 2: to the obscure and wild behavior that then Kyle Rittenhouse's
Speaker 2: judge can read a cookie catalog like and then we
Speaker 2: keep on moving and we're just like at a bar
Speaker 2: having fun, and then all this is happening and I
Speaker 2: don't really know what to say.
Speaker 3: It's just like scary and terrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, I think for everybody that might
Speaker 1: be listening that works in the restaurant industry, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't have to like put your head down and
Speaker 1: you can definitely try to get.
Speaker 3: But you do. I mean, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's like we can all tell everyone like speak up,
Speaker 2: do it, but we we can't guarantee what anyone's gonna
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody has their own and everybody has their own
Speaker 1: situation where like quitting might not be an option and stuff,
Speaker 1: but hopefully, hopefully you have a manager that you can
Speaker 1: go to or if it's your manager, of someone above
Speaker 1: them to at least give you temporary relief if it's
Speaker 1: not like legal relief. You know, like you don't have
Speaker 1: to like press charges, but you can like get someone
Speaker 1: to not work with the same shift as.
Speaker 2: You or whatever try to get some help. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: such bullshit. Did we talk about this on this or
Speaker 2: somewhere else? But like when sometimes people are like, why
Speaker 2: do you perform at the cellar?
Speaker 3: What about Louie? Why do you do there?
Speaker 2: They perform, or like people have been doing that for
Speaker 2: the people that are at the Netflix as a joke
Speaker 2: of all. Someone was like, oh, you're all you all
Speaker 2: hate Chappelle and now you're going to do a festival
Speaker 2: a Chappelle And it's like, why are you asking.
Speaker 3: These people to leave their jobs? Do you know what
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 2: It's like, why should I not be performing at a
Speaker 2: venue making money because they have a fucking creep there?
Speaker 2: Like what does that have to do with me? Like
Speaker 2: asking people to like not take opportunities and.
Speaker 3: Not make money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, take it up with annoying, Yeah, take it up
Speaker 1: with Netflix, like Chappelle should leave if anyone like to ask,
Speaker 1: like working comics who are like, oh fuck y, I
Speaker 1: need this gig.
Speaker 3: To not do it for morality is annoying. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's fully connected to this episode,
Speaker 2: but it's the way that I feel sometimes when people
Speaker 2: were like, then, what why'd you do that? And it's like,
Speaker 2: what am I supposed to do? I can't.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, I'm sure that, like, no, it does
Speaker 1: connect because I'm sure like in the restaurant world, people
Speaker 1: are like, oh, you're working at a Batali restaurant, Like,
Speaker 1: isn't he such a nightmare, And it's like, yeah, but
Speaker 1: I'm also bringing home like money that I need for
Speaker 1: my family and my life, and you know, like there's
Speaker 1: there's just nothing's black and white.
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, listen, I don't know. We talked a lot.
Speaker 2: We could just keep it a quick send off, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, you guys know what, Yes, we hate everyone
Speaker 2: and everything except for the people we like.
Speaker 1: Cool, But I did want to for this week's what
Speaker 1: would Sister Peg Do, which is our weekly segment where
Speaker 1: we direct you guys towards a resource or a book
Speaker 1: or an article or something that'll give you more information
Speaker 1: about what we touched on in today's episode. I've been
Speaker 1: hearing about this organization for a really long time, and
Speaker 1: I think it fits in here with the harassment at
Speaker 1: restaurants and stuff, since literally the numbers are staggering that
Speaker 1: ninety percent of like women that work in the food
Speaker 1: service industry are harassed at some point, and a lot
Speaker 1: of times from customers. So this website, I'm sorry. This
Speaker 1: organization is called hollaback and it's www dot ihollaback dot
Speaker 1: org and it's a global people powered movement to end
Speaker 1: harassment in all its forms. And it does a lot
Speaker 1: of bystander training because like there's a lot of times
Speaker 1: where I I'm in a situation where I'm like, sometimes
Speaker 1: I do jump in, but sometimes I'm there and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. You got to trust your gut, but
Speaker 1: you don't know where how to jump in, how to
Speaker 1: make someone feel more safe. And they have online bystander
Speaker 1: training on this website that are.
Speaker 3: Really really helpful.
Speaker 1: And since two thousand and five they've worked on ending
Speaker 1: gender based harassment in the public space aka street harassment,
Speaker 1: which I think can extend to places of you know,
Speaker 1: public places like restaurants and transportation in the workplace.
Speaker 3: So go to ihallaback dot org.
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Speaker 2: I do love that they went cool with their name.
Speaker 2: They're like, you know, what's going to get the youth involved.
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