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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Since you have investigated this and have studied it closely,

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Speaker 2: have you ever had a chance to talk to any

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Speaker 2: of the passengers on that plane.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the twenty year old college student then twenty year

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Speaker 3: old college student that I referenced, Bill Mitchell, I know

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Speaker 3: quite well and I've talked with him on multiple occasions

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Speaker 3: about this, and he's an important witness because he was

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Speaker 3: he actually observed DBE Cooper very closely. He mentioned that he,

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Speaker 3: being a twenty year old college student, noticed that the

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Speaker 3: flight attendant, who was twenty three at the time, was

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Speaker 3: particularly attractive, and as Bill puts it, or as Bill

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Speaker 3: described it, he was trying to figure out what this

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Speaker 3: this older guy, you know, while the flight attendant was

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Speaker 3: paying attention to this older guy the entire flight, because D. B.

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Speaker 3: Cooper was a guy that was described as about fifty

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Speaker 3: years of age, so he played paid particular close attention

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Speaker 3: to Dbie Cooper, and that obviously sty authorities when it

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Speaker 3: came time to sketching out who you know, what Cooper

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Speaker 3: looked like?

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Speaker 2: Right, So, for the sake of investigating, you have the pilots,

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Speaker 2: you have the stewardesses, and you have the college student.

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Speaker 2: Those are primarily the three best witnesses to all of this.

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Speaker 3: The pilots never saw or spoke with dB Cooper. The

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Speaker 3: flight attendants did. But in addition to those people, there

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Speaker 3: was the gate agent, the gentleman who actually collected the

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Speaker 3: ticket from the passengers as they boarded the jet. He

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Speaker 3: happened to notice dB Cooper as well, because the flight

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Speaker 3: was slightly delayed, as I mentioned, and all the passenger

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Speaker 3: all the passengers were kind of sitting together or standing together,

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Speaker 3: kind of hamming it up, talking waiting for the flight.

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Speaker 3: But he noticed that dB Cooper was off to the

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Speaker 3: side by himself, and that he was all a dressed

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Speaker 3: all in black, and so he paid particular attention to

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Speaker 3: him just because he was kind of by himself, and

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Speaker 3: it was someone noteworthy. Of course, this was before the

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Speaker 3: skyjacket took place. But he also said that DBE Cooper

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Speaker 3: appeared to be a guy about fifty years of age,

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Speaker 3: and importantly said that he appeared to be about six

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Speaker 3: foot one, or perhaps even a little taller than six

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Speaker 3: foot one. So the ticket agent was critical as well

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Speaker 3: in terms of filling in some of the providing some

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Speaker 3: information with respect to Dbie Cooper's description.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. I think about all the flights I

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Speaker 2: have taken in what I notice enough detail of another

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Speaker 2: passenger to be able to give that information to a

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Speaker 2: police officer or FBI agent, And the answer, quite frankly,

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Speaker 2: is probably not. I don't know if I would give

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Speaker 2: them any information that would be useful unless you were

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Speaker 2: looking for that sort of thing, which a lot of

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Speaker 2: people do not unless you're sitting directly next to them.

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Speaker 2: So it's remarkable in some ways that any of this

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Speaker 2: information was put together given the circumstances they were in

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Speaker 2: and probably the panic that was sticking.

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Speaker 3: In Well, I don't know that anybody was panicking, because

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Speaker 3: again they were unaware that anything was taking place. Of course,

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Speaker 3: the flight attendants were aware, and there was the one

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Speaker 3: flight attendant who sat next to Cooper for hours and

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Speaker 3: obviously had conversation with him. But you know, as I mentioned,

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Speaker 3: the college student, I think normally probably wouldn't have paid attention,

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Speaker 3: would have no idea who was sitting across the aisle

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Speaker 3: from but in this case, because the flight attendant was

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Speaker 3: particularly attractive and there was an interest there on the

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Speaker 3: part of Bill Mitchell. Bill Mitchell, that's where this you know,

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Speaker 3: unusual amount of attention happened to be paid to DBI

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Speaker 2: So we may have to expedite the rest of the

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Speaker 2: story a little bit for the sake of getting to

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Speaker 2: more details for it. So where we left off, you

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Speaker 2: had DBI Cooper that was arguing with pilots about keeping

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Speaker 2: the stair down, not keeping the stairs down. Where does

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Speaker 2: it go from there?

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Speaker 3: Basically the jet takes off with the stairs up, but

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Speaker 3: it's important that there was also some discussion about, you know,

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Speaker 3: where the jet can go because again Dbie Cooper wanted

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Speaker 3: to fly to Mexico NonStop, and the pilot said, you

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Speaker 3: simply can't do that flying at ten thousand feet, landing

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Speaker 3: gear down, flaps at fifteen degrees all that. So ultimately

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Speaker 3: they decide to land in Reno, ostensibly to refuel on

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Speaker 3: and you know, he proceeds to put the airstairs down

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Speaker 3: immediately after the jet takes off. The flight attendant who

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Speaker 3: wasn't back with him was sent to the front immediately

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Speaker 3: after the jet took off as well, and about thirty

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Speaker 3: six minutes after the jet took off, the pilots experience

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Speaker 3: what they call a pressure bump, a slight popping sensation,

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Speaker 3: almost as if you roll up your window driving down

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Speaker 3: the freeway, that type of thing. Which is when which

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Speaker 3: they kind of figured it was when dB Cooper jumped

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Speaker 3: from the plane. Leapt from the jet at ten thousand

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Speaker 3: feet over southwest Washington near Vancouver, Washington, never to be

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Speaker 3: seen or heard from again. But nonetheless the pilots didn't

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Speaker 4: They just continued.

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Speaker 3: The jet continued to lumber on down toward Reno, Nevada,

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Speaker 3: which took a few hours, and ultimately, once the jet

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Speaker 3: landed in Reno, the authorities boarded the board of the

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Speaker 3: airliner and determined that Dbie Cooper was no longer there.

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Speaker 3: And as I mentioned before, he left into infamy. They

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Speaker 3: have no idea where he came from, where he went,

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Speaker 3: who he was, whether he lived, whether he died. And

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Speaker 3: I should say that eight years after the skyjacking took place,

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Speaker 3: a portion of the ransom was found six thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: buried along the Columbia River in Vancouver, Washington, at a

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Speaker 3: place called Tina Barr spelled te Na. But outside of

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Speaker 3: that small portion of the ransom that was found, absolutely

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Speaker 3: nothing has been found with respect to DBI Cooper outside

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Speaker 3: of the jet. He did leave a skinny black clip

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Speaker 3: on tie on board the jet. That's the only item

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Speaker 3: he left on board the jet that was actually personal

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Speaker 3: to him that he owned previous to the skyjacking, which

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Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy one wasn't much in terms of providing evidence,

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Speaker 3: but in later years has been really really important. And

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Speaker 3: also two of the parachutes were left behind. But that's

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Speaker 3: where the that's ultimately where it was left left off.

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Speaker 3: Now you did mention something about where it stands today.

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Speaker 3: Where it stands today is the class that the case

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Speaker 3: has closed.

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Speaker 4: As of twenty sixteen, the.

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Speaker 3: FBI shuttered the case unsolved. It's the only unsolved skyjacking

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Speaker 3: in US history. And there have been from time to

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Speaker 3: time people that have professed to have discovered who the

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Speaker 3: real dB Cooper was. And again the latest one was

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Speaker 3: several months ago, as you mentioned before, and they mentioned

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Speaker 3: something about finding a parachute related to this guy named

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Speaker 3: Richard Floyd McCoy, who was one of the dB Cooper

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Speaker 3: skyjack copycats. He was a copycat of D. B. Cooper

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Speaker 3: about half a year later, but he was caught. But

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Speaker 3: the parachute.

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Speaker 4: Was not D. B. Cooper's parachute.

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Speaker 3: And we know this because we know exactly the type

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Speaker 3: of pair of that dB Cooper used, and it's very

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Speaker 3: easy to tell simply by looking at the parachute that

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Speaker 3: they apparently found that's not the same parachute. So dB

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Speaker 3: Cooper is still an enigmatic figure at this day and age.

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Speaker 3: We have no idea who he was, so he's still

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Speaker 2: So the fact that they found six thousand dollars a

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Speaker 2: portion of this money intact, would indicate that he survived

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Speaker 2: this jumped from a plane.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think initially there weren't really sure what to

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Speaker 3: of the Columbia River, buried in the sand, three separate

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Speaker 3: packets buried in the sand. Interestingly, though, where the money

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Speaker 3: was found was nowhere near where they believed he jumped.

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Speaker 3: In fact, it was about twenty miles away, so that

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Speaker 3: it was a head scratcher. There was no natural means

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Speaker 3: was ultimately found by river.

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Speaker 4: What have you over in later years.

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Speaker 3: Scientific analysis has been conducted on the bills, and it

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Speaker 3: was determined that the bills actually were exposed to the

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Speaker 3: Columbia River, but during the summer months, not during the

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Speaker 3: winter months when dB Cooper jumped, So it doesn't appear

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Speaker 3: that dB Cooper or the money landed in the Columbia

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Speaker 3: sort of a mystery within a mystery. I believe that

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Speaker 3: the money shows us one p dB Cooper survived and

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Speaker 3: about that, because that's the only thing that's been found

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Speaker 3: in the area, and I think the scientific evidence tends

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Speaker 3: to back that up as well. Moreover, they searched extensively

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Speaker 3: this this drop zone, this believed drop zone, and they

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Speaker 3: never found a single thing, nothing to ever indicate that

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Speaker 3: DBI Cooper was ever there. And I think that the

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Speaker 3: money actually indicates that there was an error made in

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Speaker 3: the flight that was cobbled together a day or two later. Again,

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Speaker 3: this is nineteen seventy one, it's not twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 3: so it's a different day and age. So I think

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Speaker 3: in reality Dbcoop were actually jumped and landed much closer

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Speaker 3: to where that money was found in nineteen eighty versus

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Speaker 3: where they officially believe he landed, which was again, you know,

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Speaker 3: fifteen twenty miles away.

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Speaker 2: Wow, the estimations, Yeah, it would be a lot more difficult,

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Speaker 2: especially when you're going back on memory. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I was under the impression too that there were certain

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Speaker 2: bills that were found based on the serial numbers that

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Speaker 2: enter circulation now and again. So every once in a while,

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Speaker 2: one of these bills will pop up, and yes, there's

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Speaker 2: a huge collector value for it, but would also indicate

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Speaker 2: that some of this money was actually spent.

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Speaker 4: Actually, that is not the case up to date.

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Speaker 3: There that there's never been a single bill that's ever

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Speaker 3: been discovered in circulation. And as you noted, the two

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Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars, the serial numbers were recorded, so that

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Speaker 3: that's how they know that the six thousand dollars that

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Speaker 3: was found on the beach, which was very rotted and decayed,

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Speaker 3: they verified that that's part of the original ransom because

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Speaker 3: many of the bills have serial numbers on them.

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Speaker 4: But as to the.

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Speaker 3: Remaining outstanding one hundred and ninety four thousand dollars, it's gone.

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Speaker 3: They have absolutely no idea where it is, and it

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Speaker 3: may or may not have entered re entered circulation because obviously,

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Speaker 3: back in the old days, the seventies eighties, that type

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Speaker 3: of thing, the treasury didn't record numbers as serial numbers,

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Speaker 3: as the bills came back to the treasury and ultimately

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Speaker 3: were destroyed and then new bills were printed. So as

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Speaker 3: to whether or not any of the money was was

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Speaker 3: spent or all of it was spent, or if it's

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Speaker 3: maybe he's hanging out in Brampa's attic or buried in

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Speaker 3: the backyard somewhere, we just don't know.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, Well that is something you think. You go

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Speaker 2: through all that effort in the planning, and let's say

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Speaker 2: you do land and you get away with it in

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Speaker 2: the sense that you're alive. Why why wouldn't you spend

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Speaker 2: the money? But you're saying that potentially the money was spent,

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Speaker 2: but so much time has passed that those bills would

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Speaker 2: have been damaged enough that maybe let's say a bank

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Speaker 2: received it or someone else received it, they would have

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Speaker 2: just destroyed the money anyway.

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Speaker 3: Well, the bank wouldn't destroy the money. But here's kind

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Speaker 3: of the answer to your question. I believe that the

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Speaker 3: evidence is crystal clear that Dbie Cooper's original plan was

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Speaker 3: to jump out of the jet with the money and

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Speaker 3: everything shortly after taking off in Seattle, in other words,

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Speaker 3: six or seven minutes later, which would have put him

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Speaker 3: in the excerbs of Seattle. But as fate would have it,

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Speaker 3: he was delayed. There were a couple of things that happened,

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Speaker 3: and he didn't By the time he was ready to jump,

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Speaker 4: So I believe that he.

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Speaker 3: Buried the money temporarily on the on the beach there,

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Speaker 3: But so I think that explains, you know, why we

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Speaker 3: But that may indicate that, and I believe it indicates

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Speaker 3: that that seems to indicate that he may have been

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Speaker 4: Over a period of time very judiciously. DV.

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Speaker 3: Cooper seemed to be a very smart guy. This is

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Speaker 3: a methodically planned skyjacking, and apparently he didn't talk about

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Speaker 4: Think that's how people get caught.

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Speaker 3: As they talk, they talk, they tell their buddies, they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm guessing the FBI would have been very

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Speaker 2: could he have potentially just laundered it from another country

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Speaker 3: Well, I want to be very clear. When I see Vancouver,

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Speaker 3: it's entirely possible that he just simply made his way

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Speaker 4: In a place like that.

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Speaker 3: Because again, bearing in mind, we're dealing with the early seventies,

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Speaker 3: these people aren't looking for twenty dollars bills related to

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