1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: The volume. 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 3: What is up Straight firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight 4 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 3: Fire for Thursday, August seventeenth. You notice that the same 5 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 3: boisterous loud fire is not really firing from your boy. Well, 6 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 3: I finally got the word on what the hell's going 7 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 3: on with my voice and my throat, my cough. I 8 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 3: don't want to get into it, but I picked it 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 3: up in Hawaii. It's lingering. I saw an ear nose 10 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 3: and throat guy who came very highly recommended. He's worked 11 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 3: with Way Way, Way, way, way more famous people. To me, 12 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 3: was super nice, told me the good news, told me 13 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 3: the bad news. The bad news isn't even that bad. 14 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 3: But overall, nothing will change on the pote cast in 15 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 3: the short term. I'll know more next week though, But 16 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 3: the good news is we got a great podcast today. 17 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 3: Sam Monson from Pro Football Focus had one of the 18 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 3: better preseason tweets I've seen from anyone about how Trey 19 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 3: Lance has thrown fewer passes in college in the NFL 20 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 3: combined than Gino Smith last season. That's a staggering stat, 21 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 3: so I had to have him on the pod. We 22 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,919 Speaker 3: talked about the NFL. He's got some spicy takes stuff 23 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 3: that I did not even predict. He has an interesting 24 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 3: left tackle that could be on the market. I have 25 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 3: not heard this a fantasy wide receiver sleeper that I 26 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 3: also haven't been mentioned anywhere. So I think you guys 27 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 3: will liked the interview. Before we get to that, just 28 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 3: one thing I saw, we actually three things. I'm sorry 29 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 3: for three things. So number one, No, I'm not going 30 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 3: to overreact to the Jets workout scrimmage whatever with the 31 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 3: Buccaneers where there's fights all over the field and Aaron 32 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 3: Rodgers gets sacked six times and blah blah blah. It's 33 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 3: a scrimmage. That's what it is like. Have you guys 34 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 3: ever practiced. Sometimes they're really really bad, sometimes they're good. 35 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 3: It's nothing out of the world. The live bullets don't 36 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 3: start firing until Monday Night football against the Bills. Now. 37 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 3: Is there concern about the offensive line? Yes, I've been 38 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 3: saying that for weeks. That's been the whole offseason storyline 39 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 3: with the Jets. They gotta fix the offensive line. If 40 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 3: it holds up, the Jets gonna be fine. But I'm 41 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 3: not gonna overreact to the Buccaneers bulling them around when 42 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 3: Beckton and Dwayne Brown, the projected starters at tackle, don't 43 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 3: even play, So relax number two. I don't know what 44 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 3: to make of this Jonathan Taylor stuff. He's in camp, 45 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 3: he's out of camp. He's got personal reasons. This has 46 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 3: the makings of something ugly, and it stinks because I 47 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 3: think the Colts could be sneaky. Okay, this year we'll 48 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 3: see I like Stike. I like Stike in a lot. 49 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 3: And you guys, if you followed the pod for a while, 50 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 3: you know my thoughts on Richardson based on someone who 51 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 3: was working with being his agent and knowing him on 52 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 3: his work ethic. Like, guy's got some stuff going on. 53 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 3: He's a big time The potentials there at this stage 54 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 3: it seals early, but I digress. Finally, forget the Sam 55 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 3: monson a Pro Football focus. Did you see that the 56 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 3: US women's national team coach resigned. I know nobody cares 57 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 3: because it's like, oh, they got bounced in the World Cup. 58 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 3: You gotta fire the coach. Obviously. I just thought the 59 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 3: reaction was he's getting all the blame. He is entirely 60 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 3: the fall guy. When let's be real, the players did 61 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: not deliver at all in the tournament. Yes, the coach 62 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: was not great, didn't love some tactical moves, some of 63 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 3: the players positioning, didn't love it, didn't love some of 64 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: the substitutions. Like that happens, that's every coach in every sport. 65 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 3: But what about Alex Morgan just totally not showing up? 66 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 3: I mean, how many players just no showed or were 67 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 3: way way either overrated coming in or just under delivered. 68 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 3: It felt like the players came in confident, in cocky, 69 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 3: Hey we got this. We've won two in a row, 70 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 3: let's make it three. And they just did not look 71 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 3: good in any gaming. You could see it that first 72 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 3: half against Vietnam, like they're dominating, but they're not finishing, 73 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 3: and it's like one nothing is like what is happening here? 74 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: They just didn't look good and yeah, the coach is 75 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 3: the fall guy, but they got some work to do. Fortunately, 76 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 3: you know, you got plenty of time, no need to worry. 77 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 3: And I'll close on this note if you're a diehard 78 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 3: listener of the podcast, So you know, I went to 79 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 3: Charlotte recently to watch Nikoxa, the soccer team where minority 80 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:42,239 Speaker 3: owners of play hung out with you know, on the field, 81 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 3: meeting the coach and the GM and all that fun 82 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 3: stuff and afterwards some chats. Let's just say, and if 83 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 3: you listen closely to some of these podcasts, I'm able 84 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 3: to drop hints stuff in there. For instance, on the 85 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 3: herb Uh sometime this week, Joel Embiid's name came up 86 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 3: and I got some stuff on a beat. I'm just 87 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 3: I'm not ready to I just got it from from 88 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 3: someone close into Embid. This is not a flex on 89 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 3: my part or anything. I just not going to reveal 90 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 3: the stuff I heard. But it ain't good in Philly 91 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: for Embead. Let's just say that. And this was before 92 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 3: the stuff on they changes social media, And I mean, 93 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 3: you got to sit on it. You wait, and then 94 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 3: you know, when the time is right, you say what 95 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 3: you heard. But there's obviously there's stuff going on there. 96 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 3: So when I went to visit our team in Charlotte, 97 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 3: you know, listen, we had some injuries at the back. 98 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 3: We got destroyed, but it was it was ugly. And 99 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 3: I came back and I said, you know this, this 100 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 3: is not easy. This stuff is tough. You've got to 101 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 3: make tough decisions and you got to shake things up sometimes. 102 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 3: And since that game, we have made three pretty significant moves. 103 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: Two starters and another you know, heavy reserve are gone. 104 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 3: And you guys know, I love the team building stuff 105 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 3: and what it takes, the ingredients that takes, the number 106 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 3: everything there. It's it's a huge soup that goes into 107 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 3: making a winner and building a winner and being up 108 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 3: close and seeing it and hearing it and knowing what's 109 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 3: out there. It's really fascinating. And in Charlotte it was 110 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 3: pretty evident to me that there was gonna be big 111 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 3: moves and a couple of the specific players are no 112 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 3: longer there. And I'm just saying, I expect Nacoxa. I 113 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 3: know you guys don't pay attention to Lega iMX, That's fine. 114 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 3: I expect them to come out firing big time. They 115 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 3: get a couple of their defensive starters back, we got, 116 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 3: we had some new guys in the starting lineup. They're 117 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 3: gonna look like a totally different team. It's all is 118 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 3: not lost because we got blasted and embarrassed at the 119 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 3: League's Cup. That's all I'll say. I'm excited for Nacosa. 120 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 3: It is really fun. And now let's get to our 121 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 3: guest who's equally fun. Sam Monson of Pro Football Focus. 122 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 3: You know a guy Jason likes to think he knows 123 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 3: everything when it comes to sports. I know what sports 124 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 3: fans want, but for everything he doesn't. 125 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: He knows a guy who does. Let's just say, I know. 126 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 3: A guy who knows a guy who knows another guy. 127 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 3: All right, let's welcome into straight fire everybody's favorite guests 128 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 3: who loves rugby. You guys remember him from last year obviously, 129 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 3: and I think two years ago, Sam monson Pro Football Focus, Sam, 130 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 3: how are you? Man? 131 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: I'm doing well. How about you? 132 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 3: I've been better health wise, but you know, we trudge on, 133 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 3: and you know, for our YouTube audience, I need to 134 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 3: shout out your shirt. It looks like a Bengals shirt 135 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: or maybe a Oregon State shirt. But you're saying it's 136 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 3: a jersey of a rugby team. Huh. 137 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an super rugby team that was in Argentina. 138 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: I don't think they exist. Still, maybe I'm wrong, But 139 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: the jaguarrez or whatever however that's pronounced in languages that 140 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: I don't speak. 141 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 3: I just assumed everybody in Argentina played soccer, and only soccer. 142 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 3: But they had a good basketball team man Jenoblian Company 143 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 3: back in the day. At any rate, you're here to 144 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 3: talk football. Sam had one of the most interesting preseason 145 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 3: tweets I've seen from anyone. Sam. You outline Trey Lance's 146 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 3: passing history, his you know, his very brief time in 147 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 3: college and his first two seasons in the league, and 148 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 3: you said he had thrown fewer passes in college in 149 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 3: the pros than Geno Smith through last year. That's not 150 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 3: the kind of context we're hearing when everybody's slamming Trey 151 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 3: Lance and saying he's done, he's washed, he's a bust. 152 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is amazing. And even if you fold 153 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: in his high school attempts. Now, the stats for high 154 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: school are a little bit weird, Like I found three 155 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: different numbers or whatever, but they're all low. You know, 156 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: whatever the number is you're picking for high school. He 157 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: didn't throw a lot of passes in high school either. 158 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: So for the entirety of that guy's football playing career, 159 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: he's barely played quarterback. Remember he was you know, he 160 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: sort of dealt with the COVID thing. His final season 161 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: in college was like the one showcase game just to 162 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: kind of tee him up for the draft and then 163 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: get to the NFL. From that point of view, it worked, right, 164 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: he was the number three overall pick. It made him money. 165 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: But there's been. 166 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: Maybe you know, he's one of the least experienced quarterbacks 167 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: who have ever made it this far in the game. Right, 168 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: he's barely played the position. So when we're looking at, 169 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: you know, the things Trey Lance is doing wrong, and. 170 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 2: There's plenty of it right now. 171 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: The interceptions are obvious, but the first three plays of 172 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: that game against the Raiders featured I think two sacks, 173 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: you know, one check down. None of them were where 174 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: the ball was supposed to go, which is you know, 175 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 1: the hallmark of shanahan offenses is drop back. Number one 176 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: is going to be open because Kyle Shanahan's offenses are incredible. 177 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: The plays are great, just drop back and rhythm. Hit 178 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: that guy and he didn't do that at all. But 179 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: nobody has made it as far as he has with 180 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: that little experience, and the only way for that to 181 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: improve is playing is getting reps. 182 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 3: But that doesn't seem to be the case. I mean, 183 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 3: brock Party, I think I read that he's the lock 184 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 3: unless he melts down, right, he's going to be the starter, 185 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 3: and then you're like, Okay, well Trey Lance going to 186 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 3: be the backup and I don't know, Sam Donald's got 187 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 3: some experience. They brought him in for a reason. An 188 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 3: do you think Lance is even the backup? Like what 189 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 3: if he starts week one and he's inactive? What are 190 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: we supposed to make a Trey Lance? 191 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? 192 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: I mean I think right now, you know, if brock 193 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 1: Party went down and they needed somebody to start a 194 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: game tomorrow, I think Donald would be the guy. As 195 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,599 Speaker 1: much as you know Trey Lance might be getting the 196 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,719 Speaker 1: first go in preseason all those kinds of things. I 197 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: think if Kyle Shanahan needed a game tomorrow, Donald would 198 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: be the guy he turns to. 199 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: So that's the tough thing about it. 200 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: That was part of what I was tweeting, is this 201 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: guy needs to play, and there's no pathway for that 202 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: to happen, you know, barring a lot of injuries. I 203 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: don't see him being given the playing time in San Francisco. 204 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: I also for the reasons he struggled in San Francisco, Like, 205 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: I don't really see another team trading for him as 206 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 1: a starter. So it's tough to see where he's gonna 207 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,119 Speaker 1: get those reps from. 208 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like that quarterback class. I don't want 209 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 3: to say cursed, but maybe the COVID situation just messed 210 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 3: them all up, or messed up evaluating quarterbacks because you know, 211 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 3: Justin Fields is in a prove it or lose it year. 212 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 3: Mac Jones had a good rookie year, but it was 213 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 3: against kind of bad defenses and he's kind of regressed. 214 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 3: We'll see if the new OC helps. Zach Wilson needs 215 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 3: no introduction. It just it kind of sort of I mean, Lance, 216 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 3: I don't know. It almost feels like all these guys 217 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 3: probably aren't gonna make it. I'm not rooting against them, 218 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 3: but is that the sense you get any of these 219 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 3: guys look like ten year franchise quarterbacks. 220 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I think Trevor Lawrence looks fantastic. 221 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 3: Y Well, I expeed you him on purpose. 222 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 223 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: If he just picks up where he left off last season, 224 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: he's the star from that group easily. I expect Justin 225 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: Fields to be a lot better this than he was 226 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: last season. Like the Chicago Bears a year ago set 227 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: him up to fail, not necessarily deliberately, but that was 228 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: the way they were treating that franchise. They were stripping 229 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: the thing down for parts. They were selling off every 230 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: available asset, and they were trying to make this roster 231 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: and this salary cap better for the future. But that 232 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: meant that Justin Fields had no help around him, no receivers, 233 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: no offensive line, nothing to work with. So for him 234 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: to come out of last season with any degree of 235 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: viability I think was impressive and the reason they decided 236 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: to trade down in the draft, not take Bryce Young 237 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: number one, you know, go look to build around Justin 238 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: Fields and give him some help. So now that he's 239 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: got DJ Moore and he's got you know, playmakers on 240 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: that offense and a better offensive line, I think he'll 241 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: look a lot better this year. We know he's a 242 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: special athlete. We also know from college he can be 243 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: a very accurate passer. I mean that was his hallmark 244 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: coming out was pinpoint accuracy. So I expect him to 245 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 1: be a lot better. You know, Zach Wilson is obviously 246 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: already in this kind of reboot situation of back to 247 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: the bench, learn from the sideline, and see if you can. 248 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 2: Put it back together. You know, in a couple of 249 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 2: years time. 250 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: Mac Jones, it's a make a break year for him 251 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: with Bill O'Brien coming in, you know, a guy that's 252 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: got a previous NFL experience, previous experience with Mac Jones 253 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: and knows what he's doing, which was different, you know 254 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: to what he had last season. So really a big 255 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: year for him. And then you get with with Trey Lance, 256 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: which is this spot of I think everybody probably underestimated 257 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: just how inexperienced he was and now he's in this 258 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: tough spot where there's just no way of getting him 259 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: that experience anymore. 260 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, the other problem is there it's a lot of 261 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 3: these guys who kind of flame out when they were 262 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 3: first round picks. They don't get much of a second 263 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 3: or third chance. Yes, they might get signed, but that 264 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 3: like Baker Mayfield's getting multiple chances. But Gino Smith who 265 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 3: was not a first round pick, it took him like 266 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 3: what like seven years saying right to really break out. 267 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 3: Like is the league gonna weak for these guys? I 268 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 3: don't know. 269 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough, like if you if you bust the 270 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: first time around, or even just you know, disappoint Baker 271 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: Mayfield being you know a good example of that wasn't 272 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 1: like he was a disaster in Cleveland, but they decided 273 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: to go after Deshaun Watson and move on from him. 274 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: There aren't there's always in any given year, there's only 275 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: one or two teams that you know, need that starting 276 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: quarterback because they just have nothing, you know, and they're 277 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: willing to take a shot on a guy like Baker Mayfield, 278 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: who they know is probably not going to be the answer, 279 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: but it's worth a roll of the dice, and if 280 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: you time it badly, you're just there's none of those 281 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: teams left, you know. So for a guy like Zach Wilson, 282 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: that's not a bad situation for him because Rogers is 283 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: on a time limit. You know, they only have to 284 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: wait a couple of years for him to have another 285 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: shot at this with the same team. He doesn't have 286 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: to reboot and start somewhere else. But for somebody like 287 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: Trey Lance, you know, if you traded him today, where 288 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: is he going to get a starting gig from? Even 289 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: looking a year into the future, there's not that many 290 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: starting jobs available for a guy like Lance. So it's 291 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: tough for these guys that don't succeed right away to 292 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: get that second shot. You may have to bide your time, 293 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: you know, as a backup until something like that opens up. 294 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 3: When more on Fields, I saw a crazy stat that 295 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 3: he had more rushing attempts last year than Cam Newton 296 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 3: ever had in a season in his career. And that 297 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 3: struck me as like odd because I think if Cam 298 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 3: Newton as a running quarterback, I don't Fields took a big 299 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 3: punishment last year. You know, no offensive line was okay, 300 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 3: and he was scrambling for his life, didn't have the receivers. 301 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 3: But I would assume they're going to try to reprogram 302 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 3: him as more of a packet quarterback, no, because that 303 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 3: punishment is just unsustainable. 304 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's been a very different quarterback in the 305 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: NFL to what I think anybody thought he would be. 306 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: When you read scouting reports on Justin Fields, it's not 307 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: the same guy, you know, and the things that he 308 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: was good at in college not seeing much of so far. 309 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: And the athleticism, I mean, everybody knew he was fast 310 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: and he was an athlete, but it wasn't talked about 311 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: the same way Lamar Jackson's athleticism was talked about. You know, 312 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: he wasn't seen as this Michael Vick Lamar Jackson rivaling 313 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: rushing threat out of the backfield, and that that's what 314 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: he's had to be at the NFL level, And like 315 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: unlike Lamar Jackson, he's been looking to run. You know, Lamar, 316 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: the thing about him is he's never really been a 317 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: scrambling type of quarterback. When you look at his rushing 318 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: yardage and production, it's designed runs. It's not like Michael Vicks, 319 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: which was all scramble yardage and justin Fields, which is 320 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: almost all scramble yardage. It's proper designed runs as part 321 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: of the run game. Lamar doesn't actually scramble that much. 322 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: And the same thing's kind of true with Anthony Richardson. 323 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: He looks to pass more than he's looking to scramble 324 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: from the pocket. He wants to hang in there and 325 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: make those plays through the air, whereas justin Fields so 326 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: far in the NFL has been very much that like 327 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: one read run type of quarterback, like give it a chance, 328 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: if it's not there, take off and make something happen 329 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: with your legs. Now, was that a bigger part of 330 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: his game than people thought it was coming into the NFL? 331 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 2: Or is that just what he's had to do? You know? 332 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: While his receiving corps has been what it is in Chicago. Like, 333 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: that's the big question I think to answer this year 334 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: for Fields is how much of his style so far 335 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 1: has been just a product of everything around him and 336 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: a case of survival, and how much of it is 337 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: like that's actually who he is at this level and 338 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: we kind of misevaluated him, you know, as as a prospect. 339 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 3: That's fascinating. I hadn't thought of that. You mentioned Anthony Richardson, 340 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 3: and you know I do fantasy. I don't know how 341 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 3: into fantasy you are, but I've got some buddies texting me, 342 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 3: hey man, what do you think about Anthony Richardson as 343 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 3: a late round flyer? Because Justin Field's had a monster 344 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 3: year in fantasy last year running the football, and I 345 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 3: hadn't really even thought about Richardson. He's got Jonathan Taylor, 346 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 3: doesn't have many weapons. I like Pittman, but I keep 347 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 3: reading Sam that some of the gamblers and the advanced 348 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 3: analytics guys, they're buying stich In Richardson and company and 349 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 3: the Colts is maybe a sleeper in what's a bad division? 350 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 3: Where are you on Indy? Is this a team that 351 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 3: appeals to you or you just they're totally off your radar. 352 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: I think they're a really interesting team because Shane Stiken 353 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: just came from that Philadelphia offense where they ran this 354 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: game plan already, right the Jalen Hurts is another one 355 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks that had some time learning on the job. 356 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: His first games with Philadelphia were not good as a 357 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: passing quarterback, but they knew that he was a good 358 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 1: enough runner that they could kind of prop up the 359 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: offense to give him those rets we're talking about with 360 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: Trey Lance, to give him the time to develop as 361 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: a passer and get better so that you saw him 362 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: go from you marginal maybe viable, to okay, and then 363 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: really really good. That's what I think Richardson is going 364 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: to need. Like he's probably all ready further along than 365 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: people give him credit for. You can see the way 366 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,959 Speaker 1: he operates in the pocket. He's doing a lot of 367 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: pretty high level quarterback things in terms of eye discipline, 368 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: in terms of moving defenders around. His accuracy I think 369 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: is going to be spotty generally, but he needs refs. 370 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: Like he's a little bit like Trey Lance, He's very inexperience. 371 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: He just needs the time to see everything. You know, 372 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: an NFL defenses are going to throw a lot at 373 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 1: him that he's never seen before. They're better at disguising coverage, 374 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: they're better at changing coverage, you know, pre snap to 375 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: post snap. So he needs this time to learn, and 376 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: he's a good enough athlete that I think they can 377 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: create an offense like you know, twenty twenty one Philadelphia 378 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: where it's really run heavy, but it's good enough that 379 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: Richardson can keep going and you're not sort of saying, 380 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: you know, we need to sit him down. 381 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 2: This just isn't good enough yet. 382 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: So I'm kind of intrigued to see what it's going 383 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: to look like. I think it will be viable and 384 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: the Colts can have some success with it. 385 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. Richards isn't the prototype for what a 386 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 3: quarterback you know, historically has been in the league, especially 387 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 3: unable to complete like basic stuff. But you look around 388 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 3: the league, Salmon essentially all of the elite quarterbacks are 389 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 3: not mobile, but they're like actively mobile, like Trevor Lawrence 390 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 3: can run. Jalen Hurts, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes. I don't know, 391 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 3: are we kind of rewriting what a quarterback is right 392 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 3: now in the NFL? 393 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think the nature of the NFL 394 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: is these things are cyclical, right, Like if you watch 395 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: old games on YouTube or highlights or whatever. I was 396 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: watching Joe Montana games recently and they were waxing lyrical 397 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: about the amazing thing about Montana is he can scramble. 398 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 2: You know, he's mobile. 399 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: And because they just come out of this period where 400 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: the prototype quarterbacks were all these statues that didn't move around, 401 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: stood tall in the pocket, delivered the ball. Montana, you know, 402 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: was clearly never the athlete that Lamar Jackson or any 403 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 1: of these other guys are. But that's kind of what 404 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: they were dealing with, just the contrasts in the cycle. 405 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: And now we've come out of a period where Peyton 406 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: and Tom Brady and those guys were the prototype, and 407 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 1: now it's Mahomes and it's Josh Allen, and it's Lamar Jackson, 408 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,719 Speaker 1: and it's these athletic mobile quarterbacks. So I think that 409 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: is now becoming today's prototype. And if you're not that, 410 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: if you're just a guy that doesn't bring mobility to 411 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: the table, you better be incredible at you know, being 412 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: a pocket passer and being able to hit the right 413 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: guy at the right time, you know, every single snap. 414 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just went to look up Joe Montana's rushing stats. 415 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 3: Are you ready for this? Most carries in a season 416 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 3: sixty one, most rushing yards two hundred and eighty four. 417 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,479 Speaker 3: That's like a month for Lamar Jackson. And they were 418 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 3: saying he's very mobile. That's unbelievable. So I guess my 419 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 3: question following that up would be, Sam, is this based 420 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 3: out of analytics where one of the advanced stats that 421 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 3: I keep hearing is the most valuable play is a 422 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 3: quarterback scramble because it's gonna net you yards. Your quarterbacks mobile, 423 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 3: the defenses are playing a lot of too high safety, 424 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 3: and like it just seems like it's an auto plus 425 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 3: play offensively. 426 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's a part of I 427 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: think the game has gotten better at understanding how to 428 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,719 Speaker 1: use that. You know, there were years where teams didn't 429 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: want a mobile quarterback because they didn't want to expose 430 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: their quarterback to those kids, right, that was the big 431 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: thing you heard. And then the other thing is they 432 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: weren't really good at understanding how to make use of it. 433 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 1: So when Michael Vick came into the NFL, Michael Vick 434 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: was basically told to just go run the West Coast offense, Like, 435 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: we didn't change much to accommodate the fact that you 436 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: had maybe the greatest athlete the quarterback position has ever seen. 437 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: They had no additional you know, wrinkles or anything else 438 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: added to the offense. It was just Michael Vick's going 439 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: to run the West Coast offense. And if you need 440 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: to scramble every now and again, you know, go make 441 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: a play now. Like Lamar Jackson comes into the league 442 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: and they literally design like a complete custom, bespoke offense 443 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: in the basement of the Baltimore facility, built around his 444 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: running game. Like it's a completely different world. So I 445 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: think teams are understanding that it's not that big a risk, 446 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: right You can your quarterback can take a hit every 447 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: now and again. They're taking hits anyway in terms of 448 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: you know, sacks and on all that kind of thing. 449 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 1: You might as well get them on the move, stress 450 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: of defense out make their life easier across the board. 451 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: And they're just exploiting that loophole better. 452 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 3: I don't know. I guess the pushback would be what well, 453 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 3: Lamar in I think it was nineteen and twenty or 454 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 3: twenty and twenty one had I think two of the 455 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 3: highest single season carry totals for a quarterback, and what 456 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 3: happened the next two years he kind of got injured 457 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 3: late in the season. Now, I'm not saying, you know 458 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 3: one of them was in the pocket rolling out, I think, 459 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 3: trying to elude a sack. But I guess I don't 460 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 3: have the odds. I don't know if anyone does. But 461 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 3: the odds of your quarterback getting hurt when he's scrambling 462 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 3: are probably higher than they are if he's in the pocket. 463 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 3: But then again, you know Joe Montana, I'll never forget 464 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 3: that hit he took Leonard Marshall. I think in the 465 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 3: Giants in the playoff game, he rolls out and play 466 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 3: he had a boom. It felt like a career ender 467 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 3: for him. So I don't I mean, where are you 468 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 3: on that? Because Trevor Lawrence could scramble. All the elite 469 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 3: top guys can, Justin Herbert, even the kid Caleb Williams 470 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 3: who everybody loves the USC, he could scramble. So I 471 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 3: don't know who's the best pocket quarterback in the league 472 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 3: right now. 473 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing. 474 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: There aren't many of them any Yeah, I think it's 475 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,239 Speaker 1: not without risk obviously, right, if you're going to use 476 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: your quarterback as part of the run game, he is 477 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: going to be exposed to hits that he wouldn't have 478 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: if he was just standing in the pocket. But I 479 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: think generally the other aspect of this is quarterbacks can 480 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: protect themselves better than almost any other thing can, right, 481 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: including the offensive line. They're kind of in control to 482 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: a huge degree of how much they get hit, whether 483 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: it's on the run, you know, sliding versus taking on 484 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: a linebacker, but even in the pocket once the pressure arrives, 485 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: understanding how to get rid of the ball and not 486 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: taking that big hit, you know, And the difference in 487 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: quarterbacks ability to. 488 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: Do that is huge. 489 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: You see these wildly different sack rates, not in terms 490 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: of like the total number of dropbacks, how often you're 491 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: getting sacked, but how often relative to the pressure plays 492 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: you're getting sacked. And the best quarterbacks in the NFL, 493 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: only like ten percent of their pressures are actually getting 494 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,719 Speaker 1: them hit or actually taking them to the ground. The 495 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: rest they're getting rid of the ball. They're not letting 496 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: themselves take those hits. And then quarterbacks that aren't good 497 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: at that, you know, they're getting taken to the ground. 498 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: They're getting sacked twenty five percent of the time versus 499 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: you know, ten percent. 500 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 2: It's a huge difference. So I think generally the focus. 501 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: For NFL teams has now been right getting the quarterback 502 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: to protect himself. But it's the net win for using 503 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: what they can do in the run game, I think 504 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: is huge versus let's not tap into any of that 505 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: additional you know, juice we could have on offense just 506 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: because it might get them a few more hits in 507 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: the season before. 508 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 3: We get to individual players going. I know you do 509 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 3: a lot of radio and podcasts, probably getting asked a 510 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 3: million questions. Has anyone ever asked you this, Sam, does 511 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 3: defense even matter anymore in the NFL? 512 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's you know, that's one of those analytics mantras, 513 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: right we went through, And this is the thing is 514 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: analytics I think has been really useful in identifying you know, 515 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: a lot of different trends, a lot of different data points, 516 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: a lot of and asking a lot of questions that 517 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: the NFL wasn't necessarily being asked before the delivery of 518 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: those messages has sometimes been suspect. And that's where you 519 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: end up with these phrases like running backs don't matter, 520 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: and defense doesn't matter, and you know, does anything matter anymore? 521 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: Like defense matters? Running backs matter, The question is how much? 522 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: And you know, where should the resources go, and all those. 523 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 2: Kinds of things. 524 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: I think the underlying point with with that kind of 525 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: push is defense now matters less than it used to, right, 526 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: You you could build defenses, and you could build championships 527 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: off the back of amazing defenses that could be sustained for. 528 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 2: A number of years in the past. 529 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: Now, if you don't have the quarterback, it doesn't matter 530 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: how good your defense is. It really doesn't. You know, 531 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: unless you construct the greatest defense the game has ever seen, 532 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: you almost have no shot at being successful. And you know, 533 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: you can see that with the Patriots, like they're still 534 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: able to put a top five defense out basically every 535 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: single year, but no Tom Brady, no success, right Yeah, 536 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: Mike Jones hasn't even been terrible, and they still can't 537 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: win the kind of games that they need to. Particularly 538 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: now when you look at the AFC, there's so many 539 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: good teams there. It's it's not a bad period for 540 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: NFL where you might have been able to get by 541 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: without good quarterback play. In certain periods like now even 542 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: to make the playoffs. In the AFC, like, if you 543 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: make the playoffs, you're probably gonna have to beat three 544 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: of Justin Herbert, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Trevor Lawrence. You know, 545 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: whoever the team is that makes it, You're gonna have 546 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: to knock three of those guys off in sequence to 547 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: have any kind of like super Bowl success. 548 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, in the NFC, it's like, can you beat Geno Smith, 549 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins and Daniel Jones or Dak Prescott. But I mean, 550 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 3: I'm being facetious, but I'm also like, if you look 551 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 3: at the Chiefs, it's essentially Chris Jones and a bunch 552 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 3: of guys. Right, you look at the Rams, it's Aaron 553 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 3: Donald and literally a bunch of irrelevant guys. Buffalo still 554 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 3: has some good defenders. The Bengals, you gotta pay people. 555 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 3: Let's pay offense. They just lost three guys in their 556 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 3: secondary I know they pay their Ed Rusher in, but 557 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 3: it's just it's looking like one of the trends in 558 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 3: the league is, hey, if we're gonna spend money, we're 559 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 3: gonna spend it on offense. We're gonna spend an obviously quarterback, 560 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 3: offensive line, and receiver because that's what wins right now. 561 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 3: And I just remember and I bet the Eagles in 562 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, but it was like, Eagles defense is 563 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 3: amazing all season, Oh my gosh, they basically shut everyone 564 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 3: down almost every game, and they go to the Super 565 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 3: Bowl and Patrick Mahomes in the second half was what 566 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 3: fourteen to fifteen like almost perfect against the best, like 567 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 3: the best defense in the league. It didn't matter. But 568 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 3: maybe you just the counter I guess is that's just 569 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes. Like how many guys are doing that to 570 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 3: the Eagles? Like during the season, nobody did. But they 571 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 3: face a tougher schedule of qbs this year. I don't know. 572 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 3: Was that too harsh on defenses? 573 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 2: No? 574 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's the problem, right, is it? 575 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: Even when you create these great defenses, once you get 576 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: to the toughest games, once you get to the playoffs, 577 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: once you get to the certainly the AFC playoffs and 578 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: maybe just as far as the championship game or the 579 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: Super Bowl in the NFC, but that's when you run 580 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: into Patrick Mahomes and your great defense suddenly looks ordinary 581 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: because Patrick Mahomes is amazing, And I think The difference 582 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: between offense and defense right now is that defense is 583 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: a weak link system whereas offense is a strong link system. 584 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: So a lot of things can go wrong in your offense, 585 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: but if you've got Patrick Mahomes throwing to Travis Kelce, 586 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: you're probably gonna have a lot of success. Whereas defense, 587 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: if you've got one week link out there, like eleven guys, 588 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: and one of those guys is a liability, offenses are 589 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: going to find that guy and they're going to exploit it, 590 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: and there's it's very difficult to hide that from a 591 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: defensive point of view. 592 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 2: So it's just. 593 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: Harder to create an amazing defense. And it is a 594 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: great offense because you can have a lot of problems 595 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: on that offense and it still be great, and whereas 596 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: that's just not true for defenses anymore. 597 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 3: All right, individual players, Dereck Henry has that ship sailed? 598 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 3: Is it over? So many carries? The injuries, It feels 599 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 3: like this is probably not the beginning of the end, 600 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 3: but like maybe the final big year for Dereck Henry. 601 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 3: And by big, I don't even mean like fifteen hundred yards, 602 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 3: I mean like maybe like twelve hundred yards. 603 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think Derick Henry is still capable 604 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: of doing Dereck Henry things. The problem is the offensive 605 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: line in front of him isn't anymore. 606 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 3: So. 607 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: You know, last season, the Titans finished with the worst 608 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: offensive line in the NFL by PFF's offensive line rankings. 609 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: I think even with their additions in the offseason, they're 610 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: starting off this year in the same spot. So they 611 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: may have upgraded, but it's still bad looking on paper. 612 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: So if that line is as rough as it looks, 613 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: you know, Derek Henry just it's almost superhuman expecting to 614 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: do anything, you know, in terms of a really big 615 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: season or even a Derrek Henry like season. It's just 616 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: too tough an ass for him. So I think he's 617 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: probably going to look like he's on the downslope, But 618 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: I'm not certain that's him versus just the situation around 619 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: him getting worse. 620 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 3: This Tyreek killed two thousand yards receiving noise. Do you 621 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 3: buy any of that or is it just simply based 622 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 3: on if Tua was healthy. 623 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: Somebody's going to do it sooner or later. Right like 624 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: the league being this heavy slanted in terms of passing, 625 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: someone's going to break that two thousand or receiving yardage 626 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: mark pretty soon Miami. Yeah, Tua's got to stay healthy. 627 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: They've also got a proof that they weren't found out 628 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: late late in the season. You know that the picture 629 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: got very muddy because of Tua's concussions and you know, 630 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: missing time and all those kinds of things. But teams 631 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: had started to cause that offense problems last year. They 632 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: were playing a lot more press man coverage. They were 633 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: trying to take away the middle of the field where 634 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: they've been so dominant. And you know, as good as 635 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: Tua looks in that offense, he doesn't really have the 636 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: arm to you know, really attack the sideline the way 637 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: some of these other quarterbacks do. He might be a 638 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: limited quarterback in terms of how he can play the game. 639 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: And if defenses have sort of come up with an 640 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: answer to that, then the Miami offense might not be 641 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: quite as explosive and as you know, dominant as it 642 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: was a year ago. 643 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 3: This is why you're on here. That's an angle I've 644 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 3: not heard from anybody, which for people who want to 645 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 3: go back and look are we talking about was it 646 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 3: the Packers game on Christmas or the Steelers game? I remember? 647 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 3: Was that was a night game and they after the 648 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 3: first drive, I think he really shut him down. But 649 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 3: so essentially they're just clogging the middle of the field 650 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 3: and saying, Tua, make that deep outthrow. You can't do it, 651 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 3: will challenge you. Is that that kind of thing? 652 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, they're using pressman coverage, disrupting the timing 653 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: of those routes across the middle, trying to make sure 654 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: that they can't just sort of drop back and hit 655 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: these timing patterns and do. 656 00:32:58,600 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 2: It in rhythm. 657 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: I'm trying to sort of flood those areas of the 658 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: field with his own coverage, you know, on the back end, 659 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: trying to flood it with extra bodies, the whole guy, 660 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: with a linebacker, safety and essentially giving them the space 661 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: to the outside and saying, adjust your route concepts, you know, 662 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: adjust your plays and target a different area of the 663 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: field because what you're doing, you know, up until this point, 664 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: has been destroying teams. 665 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,479 Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow, that's fascinating. More likely to get traded at 666 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 3: the deadline, and I know NFL trades aren't huge, but 667 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 3: I'm looking at teams are going to be bad in 668 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 3: star players Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Aaron Donald or DeVante Adams. 669 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: The Adams thing would certainly be interesting. I don't know 670 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: how many teams could make that happen realistically in terms of, 671 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of salary, in terms of moving. 672 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 2: The money around. 673 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: I could definitely see one of the Buccaneers receivers being moved. 674 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: I think that team they were stuck in that position 675 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: this offseason where once your you know, Hall of Fame 676 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: quarterback is gone, you're almost in this trap where that's 677 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: when you should rebuild. But because the roster you put 678 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: around the Hall of Fame quarterback was good enough to 679 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: try and be a contender, you're kind of left convinced 680 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: that maybe we could still be good if we just 681 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: get a viable quarterback. But if they are bad, you know, 682 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: if Baker Mayfield continues to look poor this season and 683 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 1: they struggle early out of the gate, then they should 684 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: be right for a rebuild, you know, just tear it 685 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:27,479 Speaker 1: all down and start over. 686 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 2: One name. I'd be really interested. Two names, actually. 687 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,959 Speaker 1: I guess with the Jets, that offensive line looks pretty 688 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: rough on paper and could kind of undermine the whole thing. 689 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: You know, there's been a lot of talk about David 690 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,919 Speaker 1: Baktiari and maybe they could make that happen. The name though, 691 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: that I would be interested in if I was the 692 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,439 Speaker 1: Jets is Josh Jones, the tackle from the Cardinals. He 693 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: got to run a playing time at left tackle last 694 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: season when DJ Humphries was hurt. He's basically only been 695 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: good at left tackle in the NFL. But now they've 696 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: drafted Paris Johnson. DJ Humphries is bad. Josh Jones is 697 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,240 Speaker 1: either back on the bench or he's back playing guard, where. 698 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 2: He struggled in the past. 699 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: He might be a really really nice, sort of by 700 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: low type of addition for a team like the Jets 701 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: to come in and upgrade left tackle if they're struggling there. 702 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 3: That's spicy. What what do you think that's going to 703 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 3: cost them in terms of I'm assuming draft pick compensation, 704 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,800 Speaker 3: is that like a fourth round pick the highest bidder. 705 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: You're right, it can't be a lot, because, as I say, 706 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: he's kind of become, you know, the odd man out 707 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,399 Speaker 1: in that offensive line in Arizona anyway, So it's tough 708 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 1: to see how the value could be particularly high for them. 709 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 3: Hm hmm. I like that any sleeper teams or players 710 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 3: that you're looking at. We have a large fantasy football audience. 711 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,919 Speaker 3: Some guys are good, some guys are not. But uh, 712 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 3: like we asked about Anthony Richardson earlier, but any any 713 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 3: other players, running backs, receivers, quarterbacks, whatever. 714 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a ton of players. 715 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: I think that you get excited about that around this 716 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: kind of time, right preseason where you start. 717 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 2: Seeing them all. 718 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 1: I think Tank Dell in Houston could be a really exciting. 719 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 2: Rookie right out of the gate. 720 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 3: I don't even know who that is. 721 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 1: He's he was a third round pick, but he led 722 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: the nation last season in yards in touchdowns. But he 723 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: was a third round pick because he's five foot eight 724 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 1: and one hundred and sixty five pounds, right, and even 725 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: in this world of weird body types and small receivers 726 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: and all those kinds of things, that's the kind of 727 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: size that terrifies NFL teams. But he dominated during the 728 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: senior ball week like they couldn't stop him in one 729 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: on one routes all week long. He can release from 730 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 1: the outside, and in preseason he had what was at 731 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: sixty or six catches fifty yards in a touchdown or 732 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: something like that. And forget the plays that he did make. 733 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,879 Speaker 1: He was unstoppable on the plays that he didn't make. 734 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: I mean he was deep open down the sideline on 735 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 1: one play and he was overthrown. He put Jack Jones 736 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 1: in a in an absolute blender one of the first reps. 737 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: The interception actually where CJ. Stroud didn't see the safety. 738 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: I mean, if the safety wasn't there, Tank Dell had 739 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: got himself five yards open and made the cornerback fall down. 740 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 2: So that guy, I think, is. 741 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: Going to be one of their most important receivers this 742 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: year and could have a pretty useful season. 743 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 3: Wow, that's a nugget anybody in the NFC. 744 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,439 Speaker 1: I think Jonathan Mingo could emerge quickly as Carolina's number 745 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: one receiver. I think that Bryce Young to Jonathan Mingo 746 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 1: connection could easily end up being a pretty formidable one. 747 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: Mingo's another one of these guys where, for some reason, 748 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: he just wasn't seen as, you know, a truly elite 749 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: wide receiver prospect. His production was never great in college, 750 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: but a large part of that was his quarterback situation 751 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: was bad. 752 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 2: But you put on his tape and you're like, I. 753 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 1: Don't see a reason this guy is not being talked 754 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: about in the first round. I think late in the 755 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: process he started to get some first round buzz and 756 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: then I think ends up going in the second to Carolina. 757 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: But you know, given their receiving corps right now, it 758 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't take that much for Mingo to be the number 759 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: one guy pretty quickly. 760 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 3: I like it, and your obligatory Super Bowl pick, or 761 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,280 Speaker 3: we'll go final four in the NFC and AFC. 762 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: Okay, last year my pick was Philadelphia Buffalo, so for 763 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 1: a long time I felt pretty good about that. Yeah, 764 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,879 Speaker 1: this year, I think the final four, it's probably gonna 765 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: be quite similar. I think it'll be Kansas City always. 766 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: I think Cincinnati will be the other team in the 767 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: AFC and then the NFC. I'm gonna go with Dallas 768 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: as my dark horse, but he loves them, I know, 769 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 1: and I think they might jump Philadelphia. I think they 770 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,240 Speaker 1: might be the team that gets the number one seed. 771 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: And then let's go with San Francisco again. So Dallas 772 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 1: San Francisco in the championship game. 773 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 3: So maybe Bruck Perdy can beat DAK again in the 774 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 3: playoff game, right, absolutely, I mean Dak's lost to Sanford 775 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 3: in the last two years in the postseason. What is 776 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,320 Speaker 3: it about Dallas? Is it really the defense, so you, 777 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,320 Speaker 3: I mean, it's funny. I asked his defense matter. Dallas 778 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 3: dump Zeke smartly but goes all in on defense with 779 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 3: Gilmore in the draft, And I don't know, man, are 780 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,880 Speaker 3: you not scared of the Brian Schottenheimer. Mike McCarthy combo, 781 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:11,360 Speaker 3: I think. 782 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,359 Speaker 1: Both sides of the ball, they're strong. Like that roster 783 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: looks really good. And yeah, I mean, I'm a little 784 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: bit worried that they dumped Kellen Moore, but I think 785 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: when you look what they have, you know, it's a 786 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: good offensive line, it's a good quarter, it's good across 787 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:23,360 Speaker 1: the board. 788 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 2: Right. 789 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,760 Speaker 1: Everything that the Brandon Cooks addition, I think is really good. 790 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: Michael Gallop being another year removed from the injury that 791 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: sort of robbed him of being what he was, he 792 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: should look a lot better this year. Jalen Tolbert, a 793 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: second year guy, has been making plays in camp. That 794 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 1: guy didn't do much as a rookie, but I really 795 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: liked him coming out. So I think that offense should 796 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: be really good, and the defense is already spectacular, and 797 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 1: they added Stefan Gilmore, so I just think they might 798 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: they might be the most complete roster in the NFL 799 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:52,280 Speaker 1: top to bottom. 800 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,720 Speaker 3: Geez. Love for Dallas all right, Sam monson pro football 801 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 3: focused great stuff as always Sam, and enjoy the season. 802 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 2: Hey time, me too, Thanks for having me.