1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: Wow, what is up? Welcome to another edition of the 2 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: NFL Fantasy Football Show. It's when your man nam g. 3 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: Marcus Grant still masking, socially distancing, waiting on the shot, 4 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: all that good stuff as always, and Uh glad to 5 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: be with us for another show, a big one today 6 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: that of course, as always Michael F. Florio and producer Steve. 7 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: By the way, Florio, this is this is it for 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: you for a little while. We're sitting you off to 9 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: the hinter lands for for a few months. Um, what 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: are you gonna do with your your free time? By 11 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: the way, I don't know right now. It's like I'm 12 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: gonna do nothing because I I do not have that 13 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: shot yet, Marcus. So I'm gonna keep playing it safe. 14 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: But I'm hopeful that I could get it and go 15 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: see some families, some friends back home that I haven't 16 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: seen in will over a year. But really, besides that, 17 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: probably exercise a little bit, play with the puppy, same 18 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: old stuff I've been doing. That sounds good, uh, and 19 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 1: joining us. Uh glad to have her our friend. You 20 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: know her from so many things from NFL Fantasy Live, 21 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 1: from all of her other analytical work that she does 22 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: it's our Pial, the one or only Cynthia Freeland. Cynthia, 23 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:15,919 Speaker 1: glad to have you on the show. How are things. 24 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: I'm good, Hell, I'm just happy to see you, happy 25 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: to be around you know, It's all good. Absolutely. Um. Yeah, 26 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: you know we have played to talk about, which, by 27 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: the way, I guess this is a way for me 28 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 1: to promote the fact that Cynthia, you and I are 29 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: going to be on network television in a couple of 30 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: days on the NFL Fantasy Live Free Agency Fallout show. 31 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: So that hits on Thursday, so we can you know, 32 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: that's a that's a way to you know, shamelessly self 33 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: promote stuff that we are doing. Um, but we're gonna 34 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: talk some free agency in a little bit here on 35 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: this podcast. But I wanted to get you on mostly 36 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: because I wanted to talk to you about the Big 37 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: Data Bowl and we had sort of been promoting it 38 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: on this show for the last couple of weeks. For 39 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: those who don't know or who you missed out the 40 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: first time, it is basically a large data science competition 41 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: where the League offers a bunch of tracking data to 42 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: various data scientists and they come up essentially with a 43 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: new metric, uh for us to use last year, I 44 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: know what it was a rush yards over expectation was 45 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: a thing that that we were we came up with 46 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: this year, though, Cynthia, it was Defense that was on. 47 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: This is the first time they've done defense. If I'm 48 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: not mistaken correct it is we've really had three big 49 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: data balls. So we're learning how to make the data 50 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: available more interesting for the different review. Like over two 51 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: hundred submissions from all across the globe, so we're kind 52 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: of working with like, okay, what's available data locally potentially, 53 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: like what are we trying to solve for and how 54 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: can we best set people up to succeed. And this 55 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: is the first time we went to look at defense, 56 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: so you said, but over two hundred submissions, it was 57 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: narrowed down to eight finalists. I didn't get to see 58 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: the live stream, but I did get to see, uh, 59 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, kind of what was what came out of it, 60 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 1: and and the presentations and the q and a and 61 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: stuff like that, which I thought was really kind of 62 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: interesting for you, um, you know, having kind of been 63 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: hosting it, which you did a great job hosting, by 64 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: the way, um hosting it kind of being a data 65 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 1: scientist yourself. What impressed you a lot about some of 66 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: the entries you saw this year. First of all, the 67 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: fact that, you know, you have to remember that these 68 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: people don't work in our industry. They don't have the 69 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: domain knowledge that the rest of us already kind of 70 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: think about, right, So the fact that they were able 71 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: to take this tracking data that was, like, it can 72 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: be messy, it can be confusing, and if you don't 73 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: have a lot of ability to understand book like the 74 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: sport and like, you know, actually, we got a chance 75 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: to talk to John Harbor and he put it best. 76 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: He was talking about the respect for like the football 77 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: guys and their respect for the data people. I found 78 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: that every single submission was thoughtful. It was you know, 79 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: they even reached out to like one group reached out 80 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: to Wave Phillips to ask for some real advice. Some 81 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: had mentors across the NFL from different teams. Like they 82 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: really did a job of being mindful of the intersection 83 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: of like the strategy of football and what the data 84 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: could tell you. Because remember, the next gen stats have 85 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: only been around for like five years, so it's not 86 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: like there are perfect science to begin with. There's a 87 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: lot of holes. There's a lot of imputing, and by 88 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: the way, we we can't give them all of the data. 89 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: They only get a small subset to begin with. So 90 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: the fact that they were able to come up with 91 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: some really great insights with kind of like all these 92 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: limitations was so inspiring and so cool. You know. So 93 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: you've mentioned that a lot of these people don't necessarily 94 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: work in football. I know there are a lot of 95 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: people who said their their favorite sport was maybe something else, 96 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: was hockey or whatever. Um, do you think there's maybe 97 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: an advantage to not necessarily being locked into football and 98 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 1: thinking in a football way. I feel like sometimes maybe 99 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: coming at it with less of a football perspective maybe 100 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: gives you the freedom to to think a little more creatively. 101 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, I am I weird like that? No, Um, 102 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: I was. Actually so there's kind of there's two ways 103 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: that the that the competition is divided up. There are 104 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: people who are currently in college, so imagine like these 105 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: are like they have no idea, they've never had like 106 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: a full time job before, right. And then there are 107 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: people who are are open competition, and many of those 108 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: people are actually data scientists with like a data science title, 109 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: and I actually thought that the college participants and the 110 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: college entries were so creative. And so, you know, I 111 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: look at it and this is kind of like a 112 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: secret of the big datable. We're trying to get people hired. 113 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: We're trying to create a good pipeline for jobs in 114 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: the league, jobs for I mean, you see, there's there's 115 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: a bunch of women, there's a bunch of like people 116 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: I didn't play football, and there's people who look like 117 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: me in it, right, So you know, it's the creativity around, 118 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: you know, the thoughtfulness to ask the questions, the thought 119 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: like the fact that like they don't come from the 120 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: fact and be like I know it all, Like I 121 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,239 Speaker 1: just know, like I've watched two Oel Jones for fifteen 122 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: years and he's never renting in the end zone. Like 123 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: you know, you don't have as many of those biases 124 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: that really kind of can limit us sometimes. So it's 125 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: really I think you're right, Like there is definitely something 126 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: about not already thinking you know the answer. I So 127 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: the winning submission this year. Uh it's called a Framework 128 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: for accessing Individual Defensive Defensive Performance in Coverage. A group 129 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: of four guys who put this thing together Um. Now, obviously, 130 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: for our selfish, reedy fantasy purposes, we always tend to 131 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: look at things through an offensive lens. We're always more 132 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: worried about offensive metrics and that sort of thing. But 133 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out I feel like there's a 134 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: way that we can sort of use this to our 135 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: own selfish purposes. I mean, when you look at it, 136 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: do you find a thing that works for fantasy when 137 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: you're looking at something like this totally? So, first off, 138 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: one of the guys in the group, my favorite kind 139 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: of story was like he got tricked into becoming a 140 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: football fan because he because he like his friends brought 141 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 1: him to a super Bowl party and he had no 142 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: interest in it before, but then all of a sudden 143 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: he was like, okay, yes, that's kind of fun. And 144 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: we had one of the judges was from the Browns. 145 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: He was actually a past winner and this guy was like, 146 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: so then I became a huge Steelers fan and we're like, uh, 147 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: it was pretty funny. So um, But what they did 148 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: that was really cool was they actually thought about not 149 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: just you know, the nearest defenders, but schemes. So they 150 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: had a bit of man and a bit of zone 151 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: that was peppered, and that's it's very hard. It's it's 152 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: hard to know if it's manner zone. It's very hard 153 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: to know that right for all of us. It's hard 154 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: to know that. So one of the ways that you 155 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: could use this is to really think about, like, if 156 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: you want to stream it's probably not for your wide 157 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: out one or your your draft decisions, or you're streaming 158 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: a wide receiver, or you're choosing between who to play 159 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: on your bench and who you should potentially roster this week. 160 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: A metric like what they came up with would allow 161 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: you to say, Okay, it's basically think about like the 162 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: potential for there to be separation, So a better potential 163 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: for there to be separation, and a receiver who's known 164 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: for separation, well, yes, you're going you're I'm flexing you 165 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: in as opposed to you know, putting you on my 166 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: bench this week, even though maybe on paper it's a 167 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: scary team like the Patriots, but maybe their man doesn't 168 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: work against the types of routes that this receiver runs. 169 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: So the fact that they had that thoughtfulness towards scheme 170 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: and matchup was really was really helpful. Yeah, I'm just 171 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: looking I feel like just anyway we can get smarter 172 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: doing this, I think we're all going to be better 173 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: off potentially, which kind of begs that the last question 174 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: I got about this is how much deeper do you 175 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: think we can sort of go with this data science 176 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: and these metrics that that folks are working on right now? 177 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: I mean the fact, like the the interesting part the 178 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: fact that, like, so this year in particular, I've spent 179 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: a lot more time personally and I'm I'm a media 180 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: data scientist, right, I do work for teams in my 181 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: spare time, but this this offseason, nobody has good ways 182 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,119 Speaker 1: to measure things that we typically have some like benchmarks 183 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: for right we all kind of know that, like the 184 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: forty is kind of it's more showmanship, but there is 185 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 1: some merit into falling between like an acceptable range right 186 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: of running in if you're looking for wide receivers, for example, 187 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: our corners, and when we don't have in the absence 188 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: of like this, we've always done it this way and 189 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and the absence of that, people are 190 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: getting really creative with searching for solutions, and the really 191 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: good teams, like there are some really smart teams who 192 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: are saying, well, now it's time that we can throw 193 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 1: out some of these paradigms and we can start looking 194 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: at things in terms of like what what do we 195 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: already have and what are the holes in our data? 196 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: Because you know, it's not really about getting to perfect, 197 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: it's getting like a little bit better each time. Right, 198 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: So you can see it from draft stuff, but that 199 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: will infiltrate into in season stuff. Right, being able to 200 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: pre snap motion. Let's talk about Curtis Samuel and pre 201 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: snap motion. Right, that's gonna make it totally different for 202 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick and thus Terry McLaurin than it has in 203 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: the past. And that's stuff that we can now measure. 204 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 1: So it's really more about piecing together like what the 205 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: blessing for COVID And we've got to find all the 206 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: positives we can and in this weird season with a 207 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,599 Speaker 1: lot of shortcuts and whatever, one of the things is 208 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 1: to say, okay, like let's be creative about the assets 209 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: that we do have, and the data is one of 210 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: those assets. And people are becoming even old school coaches 211 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: are becoming even more kind of accepting of being like, 212 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: all right, let's like come up with the frame to 213 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 1: do a little better I think that speaks a lot 214 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: to when old school quote unquote football guy uh is 215 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 1: starting to buy into it, and I think you really 216 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: know that's that's making in roads as a thing. So um, 217 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: if you missed it, if you didn't get a chance 218 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: to check it out, if you are a status nerd. 219 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: If you aren't, though, and you just kind of want 220 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: to see something different and get a little bit smarter, 221 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: go check it out. NFL dot com slash Big Data Bowl. 222 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: That's an hour long presentation. You can even watch any 223 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: of the individual presentations. There's a whole lot of information there. 224 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: I definitely recommend it. It's totally worth checking out. Hythe Them. 225 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: I have to give hype for it. Sorry to interrupt you, 226 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: but I have to say, hythe Them crushed producing that. 227 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: Let's be honest, Like, I don't know if prior to this, 228 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: hythe Them would be like, you know what, I really 229 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: wanna like produce like the heck out of this, like nerdy, 230 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: like math, like like analytics con. I don't know if 231 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: I want to be in charge of analytics con. But 232 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: he like crushed it, hit it out of the park. Like. 233 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: The reason that it's actually enjoyable to watch is because 234 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: higher than just totally crushed it. So I have to, 235 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: you know, give credit for credits to you there about 236 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: our bout high from Kalani, who has done great work 237 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: here for a long time. My pal, my friend, really 238 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: smart guy who basically tries to downplay, and I asked 239 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: him what's interesting, what I should keep an eye out for, 240 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: and he's like, bro, I went to art school. I 241 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: don't know if he's all over my head, but he did. 242 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: He did a great job of it. All right, So 243 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 1: let's talk some free agents here as we continue with 244 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 1: the free agent frenzy. I guess the frenzy has sort 245 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: of died down a little bit um as we speak 246 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: right now, and obviously this could change some of the 247 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: best free agents still out there. Running backs, you got 248 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: Duke Johnson, James Connor, James White, wide receivers, t Y Hilton, 249 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins, Antonio Brown, all still out on the free 250 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: agent market. But let's set some of the big news 251 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: that's happened since we last talked to you on this podcast. 252 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: Maybe the biggest is that Kenny Golla Day has landed 253 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: in New York. He signs a deal with the Giants. 254 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: We're sort of waiting to see what happened. Right, he 255 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: was sort of the maybe the domino that was gonna 256 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: fall in this whole thing. So now we know where 257 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: he goes. Uh, he works with Daniel Jones and that 258 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: crew up there. Floria, let me bring you in here. 259 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: Please tell me why I should be excited about this, 260 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: because I'm just I'm just sort of met. Tell me 261 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: why I'm what am I missing? Why I should be 262 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: excited about Kenny Golladay in New York? Well, first time, Sorry, Cynthia. 263 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: I know you are a Lions fan and and him 264 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: going to New York isn't great for Detroit, but I 265 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: think he's a lot better of a real life fit 266 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: for the Giants. Then I think this is for his 267 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: fantasy value. Like he's not a huge separation U creator, 268 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 1: so like he relies on uh, you know, like going 269 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: up high and catching the ball at the point at 270 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 1: the catch point, and he's a huge catch radius, and 271 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: he's a good gonna be a good weapon for Daniel Jones, 272 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: who already throws into tight windows at a pretty high clip, 273 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,599 Speaker 1: actually even higher than Matt Stafford has been in the 274 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: last couple of years. So I think anytime you can 275 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: get a receiver of his caliber with all this stuff 276 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: that he can do for an offense and for a 277 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: young quarterback, I think it helps a lot. But for fantasy, 278 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: I think this is a clear downgrading quarterback from Stafford 279 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: to uh to Daniel Jones. And I just don't love 280 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 1: the Giants offense as a whole. And I can get 281 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: Kenny Golladay being still a useful piece that you want 282 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: to take as your wide receiver to, but he was 283 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: going off the borders a wide receiver one last year 284 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: with really high expectations. So I I think you could 285 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: get excited for this as a Giants fan or as 286 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: you know, a Daniel Jones supporter, But for if you're 287 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: just a Kenny Golladay fantasy fan, there's not a whole 288 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: lot to get excited for in my opinion. I mean, alright, so, Damny, 289 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: does this. Does this do anything for you when it 290 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: comes to Daniel Jones to get you more excited about 291 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: him this year? No? I Look, I think it's the 292 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: interesting thing here is how much they paid for him, 293 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: which means they have huge expectations. And I also given 294 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: how many like how much money Gettleman spent in general, 295 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: I think his strategy is like I'm gonna pay now 296 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: because then next year when the salary cap goes up, 297 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: I've already gotten him for eighteen. And I don't know. 298 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 1: I think it's like a I think it's an interesting 299 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: logic that he's him. Maybe not helpful, but I would 300 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: like him to be writ in my page. But ultimately, um, 301 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: I don't think for fantasy purposes, Like I'm also very 302 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: weary if Golliday can stay healthy. Um, I'm not in 303 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: this offseason where we have less ability to vet any 304 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: of that stuff. I just seems super risky, like unless 305 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: you're getting a good value for him. But he's I 306 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: don't even know. Like he's a wide receiver too that 307 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: I think has way more downside than up. It's not 308 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: a great offense for you know, it's gonna be Jason 309 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: Garrett's offense. That's what it is. We already know, And 310 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if the old line got better. Sure 311 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: you get Sake one back, so that will help a 312 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: little bit. But Daniel Jones can throw in a type coverage, 313 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean it's a good throw. So I 314 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: don't know if I necessarily I don't know. This is 315 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: like to me, he's like wide receiver three probably, and 316 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: I'd be like, uh. I feel like as this process 317 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: sort of went on and we were waiting for Calliday 318 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: to sign, I got the feeling that US fantasy folks 319 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: love him way more than maybe real NFL people and like. 320 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: And that's not to say that that they think he's bad. 321 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I think everybody understands if he is a 322 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: quality football player, But I do think there's much more 323 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: excitement and much more love for him on the fantasy 324 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: side of the game than on the real side of 325 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: the game. And I think that sort of boar itself 326 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: out with the way negotiations went with the deal he 327 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: ultimately got in New York. Now, for me, I look 328 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: at the rest of that receiving corps. I look at 329 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: Darius Slayton, I look at Sterling Shepherd, and it's hard 330 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: for me to get really excited about any of them 331 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: there because I think they're all they're all sort of 332 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: kind of mid level players, right, and they're all gonna 333 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: sort of, you know, cannibalize each other, take food off 334 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: each other's plates, um, And I'm just sort of underwhelmed 335 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: by the whole thing. I guess I can throw Evan 336 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: Ingram in that group too, right, because I know he 337 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: has tight end next to his name, but he sort 338 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: of has wide receiver tendencies. I look at that and 339 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: I just sort of get just kind of met about it. 340 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: So I mean, I'll ask you, Flora, which which one 341 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: of those guys do you take first? It's still Golliday 342 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: or do you decide maybe even just to wait and 343 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: try to get a value with one of the other two. 344 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: It would be Golladay if I was to take in 345 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: any of them first. But I don't anticipate on I'm 346 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: much like Cynthia like I do not really anticipate drafting 347 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: a lot of Kenny Golladay this year because I'm just 348 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: I think it's a downgrade for him, and I'm not 349 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: nearly as excited as I was in years past. Of 350 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: those other receivers, I would say Sterling Shepherd I think 351 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: is the best because I think the move from Golden 352 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: Tate to Kenny Golladay is a natural improvement for Sterling 353 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: Shepherd because he is so much better in the slot 354 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: than he is out wide, and last year they asked 355 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: him to play more out wide than ever because Golden 356 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: Tate was occupying the slot, but he has now gone 357 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: slate in and Golladay become your clear outside threats and 358 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: downfield threats, So that could potentially open stuff up across 359 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: the middle for Sterling Shepherd. But when they saw in Golladay, 360 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: I I put this on Twitter. I said, all right, 361 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: Sayclon Barkley is probably gonna He's an early first round pick, 362 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: Kenny Golladay is gonna get drafted. Which other Giants player 363 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: can you get excited to draft and fantasy? Because I 364 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: don't think there's really any no I would agree. Uh. 365 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: And then, as our resident Lyons fan Cynthia, I just 366 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: have to ask you, does this mean t J Pickinson 367 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: is just is he through the roof? Now? Does he 368 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: get all of the targets in Detroit? Now? Yeah? I 369 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: mean if there are gonna be targets, I feel like 370 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: Jerk Goff might just be flat the entire time. It's 371 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: it's Terry and it's I don't know, I'm tech, I 372 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: don't know if I'm align to anymore. I'm really question 373 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: is I think I might be joining Bill's mafia? Not kidding, 374 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: They're just the best fans on the planet. So I mean, look, 375 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: t J. Hockenson is a special tight end. But I've 376 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: seen almost nothing from them, and I think it's impressive, 377 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: like whatsoever. So it's gonna be it's gonna be a 378 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: real you know me cap biting scenario. As a Bills 379 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: Mafia supporter, Cynthia, we will welcome you and open with hoping. 380 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, like you guys are fun. Like you 381 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: guys are hilarious like a lot. You guys are a lot. 382 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: But you're even when they are you willing to jump 383 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: to a table? Well? Why not? Yes? Of course that's 384 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: like a low price of entry to me, like of course, 385 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: where you're good and suffered as a Lions fan. What's 386 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: what's jumping through a plastic table? At this point? It 387 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: seems like fun to me. I don't know, I'll see, 388 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: all right, what is not quite so fun right now 389 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: for me? The Houston Texans backfield. They signed Philip Lindsay. 390 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,959 Speaker 1: This is not long after they signed mark Ingram. They 391 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: already have David Johnson there. I mean, I guess they've 392 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: cleared up some space because Duke Johnson is no longer there. 393 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: But I mean, all right, Cynthia, who who would you 394 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: rather between David Johnson? Philip Lindsay, mark Ingram. Uh. You know, 395 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: if if you had to pick one, who would it be? 396 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: I picked Philip Lindsay. But this year, my drafting strategy 397 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: is going to be, like anyone who's on a team 398 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: that's run by people with narcissistic personality disorder, I think 399 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to say so, I'm really not going 400 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: to be taking any of the yeah, yeah, like no 401 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: more narcissists, like I've I've learned a lot about that 402 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: during during COVID, So I'm just done with all of it. 403 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: So I feel bad for any of them on that team. Like, 404 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be interesting to see what happens 405 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: from here. But I think they're making some really interesting 406 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: decisions when it comes to their backfield. But you are 407 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: they just are they gonna like just run the wildcat 408 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: like we're like what are we doing here? Like, I mean, 409 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: I know Tara tails there, but okay, we'll see no 410 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: narcissists in my lineups, No narcissist the I just my 411 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: fear is that they're going to somehow try to use 412 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: all three of these guys. Right. They're they're invested in 413 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 1: David Johnson, They've made an investment in mark Ingram. They 414 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: they add Philip lindsay, I just can't imagine that they're 415 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: you know, these aren't just camp bodies, right. You don't 416 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: sign these guys this early in the process and have 417 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: them come into be camp bodies right that you're expecting 418 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: them to make an impact. A three headed scenario is 419 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: honestly the worst thing that we could possibly imagine here. 420 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: The other part of it, though, floorial, is what happens 421 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: with the Shawn Watson right now. Obviously there's the you know, 422 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: the whole issue of whether or not he wants to 423 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: be traded and if he wants out. Now, you know, 424 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: we've got away from the field a number of these 425 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: allegations and these civil lawsuits that have been brought to him, 426 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: uh for improper conduct and and and and just you know, 427 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 1: listen behavior all these these accusations that have popped up. 428 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: So there are a lot of clouds around Deshaun Watson. 429 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: If he's not there, how much more awful does this 430 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: all look? They This offense I think could be the 431 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: worst in football if Deshaun Watson is not there next year, 432 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: because you're going with with Taylor and if anything happens 433 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: to Taylor, then you have Ryan Finley backing him up. 434 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen how bad offenses can get when 435 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: Ryan Finley has to be acts to come in and 436 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: leave them. Plus in the receiving game, then you have 437 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks and not a whole lot else, so he's 438 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: probably gonna get double teamed at a whole bunch. And 439 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: then in the running game like that could be it 440 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: wont the one spot in this offense that maybe you 441 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: could trust if they had one running back, but they 442 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: have three, so it just makes it such a headache. 443 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: I could see mark Ingram getting cast aside pretty early 444 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: like he did last year. But I think out of 445 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: the gate, they're going to try to get all of 446 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: these guys used right away, which means none of them. 447 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: Are you really that useful for fantasy because maybe David 448 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: Johnson leads them, but I don't feel confident picking anyone 449 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: that could lead them in touches in any week. Whoever's 450 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: gonna catch them passes because their strategy is awful, like 451 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: who's gonna their defense has no one to stop anything, 452 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: so teams are just gonna run on them, so then 453 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: they're gonna throw presumably you can't. I don't know. I 454 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: think you just you take the you know, you take 455 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: the defense playing them every week, just stream whoever is 456 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: playing the Texas. I mean sound like a team that 457 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: could use a lot of draft picks, if only they 458 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: had someone they have a few somewhere along the way. Uh, 459 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 1: you know, I would imagine. I mean, they traded DeAndre Hopkins, right, 460 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: they had to have loaded up with some first round 461 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: picks for that, right, right, you would think. I mean, 462 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 1: so if there's I mean with the Brandon Cooks, if 463 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: DeShawn Watson is their Brandon Cooks is a nice piece, 464 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: I mean if there's no if there's no Deshaun Watson, 465 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: I mean, since there's there anybody from this team, you 466 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: would think about drafting. I don't want anyone from the Texans, 467 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: even if it's like the you know when that things, 468 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: you know every once in a a while when you're drafting, 469 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: like there's that one player that's like stuck on the 470 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: top and they're like, dang it. It's around seven and 471 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: they're still dang it, dang it, maybe I should just 472 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: take that. Nope, even if that it's like, oh does 473 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: this say Texans? If it's not Deshaun Watson. I'm no imagine. 474 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 1: I just imagine. I'm gonna imagine just a log jam 475 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: of Texans at the top of my queue. Isn't that nobody, nobody. 476 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: It's gonna be like the cheese that's in the break room, 477 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: the bags of cheese. It's that just sit there and 478 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: nobody ever touches. That's that's what it's gonna be. Um, 479 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: maybe a slightly better situation is in Seattle. Chris Carson 480 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: is back. He resigns there when it looked, at least 481 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: for an hour or two like maybe he was gonna 482 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: go to Miami and signed with the Dolphins. But but 483 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: he has it for You're the one who I think 484 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: brought this to my attention that people have talked about 485 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 1: him as being sort of a a fringe RB one 486 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: with an RB two draft value. I wouldn't look yesterday 487 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 1: on Fantasy Football Calculator, and his draft value was like 488 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: very end of the third round, almost the fourth round, 489 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: which maybe that was you know, maybe the you know, 490 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 1: the resigning in Seattle hadn't quite taught up yet. But 491 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: please explain to me why Chris Carson feels so undervalued 492 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: all the time because he is like that is the 493 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: simple answer. I jumped in at Best Ball Draft this 494 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: weekend just because I wanted to get a feel of, 495 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: like where are these new players on new teams were 496 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: gonna go. And he went in the fifth round, And 497 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: if he goes in the fifth round come August, like 498 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna draft him there every single time. Because the 499 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: thing about Carson is, yes, he he's probably not gonna 500 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: give you sixteen games, he never has in his career, 501 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: but when he's on the field and he's played fourteen 502 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: games before, like twelve games, he gives you RB one 503 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: numbers most times because he's going to get most of 504 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: their ground opportunities. Uh, Carlos Hide has gone now too, 505 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: and he was eating into them a little bit last year. 506 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: If we're not trusting Chris Carson to stay healthy, there 507 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: is zero percent chance like a trust for Shot Penny 508 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,959 Speaker 1: to stay healthy. Um. And the other thing about Carson 509 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: was in years past, they weren't really throwing him the ball. 510 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 1: That changed last year and Russell Wilson started to throw 511 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 1: in the ball or and not just you know these 512 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: like little short screens, like there was some place where 513 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: he was getting like ten plus air yards on the 514 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: throws to Chris Carson. So to me, I think Carson 515 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: can easily return RB one value as long as he 516 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: stays healthy, and you are never going to be actually 517 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: pay that price because I'm guessing injury concerns. But I 518 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: don't really know why everyone is still low on Chris Carson. 519 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, nothing's changed there, right, Ostensibly everything is 520 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: the same, All the pieces are in place, Like I 521 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: just don't I don't understand it. I think it's possible 522 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: that Russell Wilson runs less this season and they and 523 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: they stop asking him to do so much, which would 524 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: theoretically mean a healthy Chris Carson will even get more 525 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: opportunities because I think, you know, I think part of 526 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: what happens with Seattle, and we see it every year 527 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: is if there's some distraction of some sort, right, is 528 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: it a defensive end that doesn't want to come back? 529 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: Is it now Russell Wilson maybe going to the Bears 530 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: that comes up for all these weird things, and then 531 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: we kind of like, don't think about this offense, Like 532 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: you're just like, oh, Russell it or nothing right, And 533 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,479 Speaker 1: then you kind of don't know where to put the teaching, 534 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: you know, the Locket and you know, you know, like 535 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, well what do we do, like 536 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: you know, Tyler Lockert and whatever. But like to me, 537 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: I think you just look and say, it's probably gonna 538 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: be pretty close to the same, if if not a 539 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: little bit more running opportunities for other people. Keep him upright, 540 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I do think that we're gonna see Carson's 541 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: draft value kind of go up. I think I think 542 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: we'll see him kind of bounce back to the third 543 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: round again because he's back in a situation we're familiar with. 544 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: Nothing has really changed, Um, But I do wonder, Floria, 545 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: this is this what does this do for Russell Williams value? 546 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's value up down about the same? Does this 547 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: Does this have any impact at all? Um? For me, 548 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: it's still about the same. Although I think what Cynthia 549 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 1: said is something that I am worried about, Like if 550 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: he's going to run less, and I think they have 551 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 1: incentive to ask him to run less because he said 552 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to keep taking all these hits. That 553 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: is going to hurt his fantasy value. Because we talk 554 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: about it all the time, how how much value these 555 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: quarterbacks who can run really brings for me. Last year, 556 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: I had him in like that second tier with like 557 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: Dak and Watson and Josh Allen's in that here Kyler 558 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: Murray and I will have him in that same grouping 559 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: again this year, but he will be the last of 560 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: them all because I think for me, he comes with 561 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: bigger question marks. Deshaun Watson comes with the biggest question 562 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: mark of them all right now, but him, aside Wilson, 563 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: comes with more questions because I worry about him running 564 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 1: less and the team just running more, which would mean 565 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: less passing opportunities as well. I mean, by the end 566 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: of the year, I kept saying it was hashtag let 567 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: Russ hit the drive through. Um. They asked him to 568 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: cook earlier in the year. Uh. It started off well. 569 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: Then you know, he broke a few eggs and and 570 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: burned the toast a couple of times, and they were like, Okay, 571 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: maybe maybe not cooking so much. Uh. And I feel 572 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: like that's gonna maybe continue into one uh. Another other 573 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: big wide receiver, Dominos. We were waiting to fall with 574 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: Juju Smith Schuster. There was talk that maybe he could 575 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: end up in Kansas City instead, he stays in Pittsburgh, 576 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: with a one year deal. When I saw it, I 577 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: turned into the old character from SNL, the drunk girl 578 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: you wish you hadn't started a conversation with at a party. 579 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: I saw the signing, I was like what and like why? 580 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: Um it just okay? I mean, help me out, Cynthia. 581 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: How are you valuing Juju and drafts? Considering last year 582 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: he ended up in the top twenty, but it was 583 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: kind of a frustrating ride to get there. And it's 584 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: sort of like Seattle, nothing much has really changed offensively. 585 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: I mean, do we draft him as a a top 586 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: twenty receiver or do we count on him to you know, 587 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: can you can we count on him to repeat that 588 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: this year? Okay? So the math showed that he was 589 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: running shorter routes, he was using that quick passing game. 590 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: It was a function of kind of how they used 591 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger differently. His area yards for a target was 592 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: like the lowest amongst qualified receivers, and he had been like, 593 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: you know, three yards more on average in the two 594 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: seasons prior. So you saw a difference in use. The 595 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: second thing that is not so Matthey, but I kind 596 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: of think is interesting is he's now incentivized to go, 597 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: like he needs to go make his money he wanted. 598 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: I know he wanted a lot more money than what 599 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: he got there, and so he's gonna prove it one 600 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: year deal and an opportunity to take advantage of a 601 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: presumably heightened salary cap situation next season. So, if you 602 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: are the type of person who believes that incentives make 603 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: someone better, incentives gets like do you want that bag? 604 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: Do you do? Because if you do, then we need 605 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 1: to play this year. So I think because he's in 606 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: a system that he's familiar with, I actually think he'll 607 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: probably end up. I think he'll end up better off 608 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: than last season. Now do I think it's gonna be 609 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: like crazy top, No, I just think it's gonna be 610 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: like I actually think he'll end up fifteen sixteen, But 611 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: it won't be so like up to get there. I mean, 612 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: for you, you were the one that I think who 613 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: basically said it turned into a tight end last year 614 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: without the way they used him. I mean, will he 615 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: be more of a wide receiver? Is he still going 616 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: to be that? I guess the corollary to that is, 617 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: does this does this make you feel any better about 618 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger and the elbow that seems so problematic at 619 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: the end of last year. No, it doesn't because they 620 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: they're just keeping it. To me, at least, it looks 621 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: like they're keeping their offense the same. And I know, 622 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: like I've seen people point to, like, oh pictures and 623 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: other sports, their arms get stronger the second year outside 624 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: of the surgery than the first, And I'm just like, well, 625 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: big Ben is a forty year old quarterback. He's not like, 626 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: you know, a twenty five year old starting pitchers. So 627 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: to me, that comparison doesn't mean a whole lot. And 628 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: last year they clearly built this offense into Ben just 629 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: getting rid of the ball as quickly as he possibly could. 630 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: It was like two and a half seconds and the 631 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: ball was out of his hands. They still have Claypool 632 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: to be the deep threat there. So my fear is 633 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: that Juju is going to play a very similar role 634 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: to how he did last year, and that is just 635 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: not good for fantasy. And I get it, like why 636 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: he would want to resign with the Steelers, but man, 637 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: he had a one year opportunity to go play with 638 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes and the Chiefs. He could have got paid 639 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: next year if he's signed there in my opinion, So 640 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: I get it he wanted to stay in Pittsburgh. He 641 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: says he wants to play there his whole career. But 642 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: I would have been much more happy for fantasy if 643 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: he had signed with the Chiefs instead of the Steelers. 644 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: The other part of that, you know, quarterback versus picture analogy, 645 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: is that you know, if Clayton Kershaw were to have 646 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: elbow problems, he also doesn't have to deal with Miles 647 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: Garrett coming after and trying to either. Um a little 648 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,719 Speaker 1: bit of a different scenario when you're talking about that, 649 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: I I worry, I do. I just worry about this 650 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: offense in general, which sort of hurts because I love 651 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: all three of their wide receivers. I like ju ju. 652 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: I know, we saw what Chase Claypool could do at 653 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: his peak last year. It was big plays. You know, 654 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: I think Deante Johnson is the consensus number one receiver 655 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: in that offense who he's got the skill, he's got 656 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: the ability. But again, if if Roethlisberger if struggling to 657 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: throw the ball downfield, if he's struggling to to you know, 658 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: push the ball outside the numbers, then it ends up 659 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: just being a difficult situation for all of us. I 660 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: guess to it the fact too, that we're still trying 661 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: to figure out what the running game is going to be. 662 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: I know it wasn't necessarily great last year, but as 663 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: I mentioned, James Connor is still out there as a 664 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: free agent. I don't know that anybody is necessarily in 665 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: love with Binny Snell. Anthony McFarland was kind of a 666 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: nice complimentary piece. Um, the days of the old Killer 667 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: Bees in Pittsburgh are long gone. I mean, Antonio Brown's 668 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: a free agent. Levy on Bell for all intents and purposes, 669 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: I mean, he's He's essentially done. Uh. This offense is 670 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: just not what it was. I say that, and I 671 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: know that at some point I'm gonna be on the 672 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: clock in like the fifth round, and Juju is gonna 673 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: be there, and I'm gonna freak out. I'm gonna take him. 674 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: I just know it's gonna happen. Yeah, man, you know, 675 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: I always I always fall for the Trojans. Man, I'm 676 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: always a homer. But but but you know what, that doesn't 677 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: matter now because we're a basketball school snot had a 678 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: chansus on Monday night. The Trojans are officially a basketball school. 679 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: That's all there is to it. Um last signing of note, 680 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: Josh Reynolds leaves the Los Angeles Rams, he goes to Tennessee, 681 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: now joins the Titans uh Cynthia. Sensibly he's taking the 682 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: spot left open by Corey Davis who left and went 683 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: to the New York Jets. Can we expect a Corey 684 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: Davis like performance for him in Tennessee this year? I 685 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: would hope so, but I think, you know, no, I 686 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: just don't think he has as much of the I 687 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: don't mean to like, but it's just a n ancer, right, 688 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: so you know, the when you look at see what 689 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: happens when he lined up in the spot that he's 690 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: gonna be asked, line up is presumably wide, and I 691 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: don't see him being as greater a route run, or 692 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: at least not as precise I saw. He's obviously good 693 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: with play action because that's what they did a lot of. 694 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: So the resume and the fit could be good, but 695 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be coming out of the 696 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: gate quite as strong as what we kind of soft 697 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: and courts. Although Corey Davis underperformed quite a bit for 698 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: kind of where he was drafted versus what ended up 699 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: happening him. So you know, at the at the end 700 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: of the day, it's about managing expectations. So for Josh Reynolds, 701 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: I think it will be I think it will be good. 702 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be like this home run 703 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: where you're like, oh dang, Like now Tennessee is a 704 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: passing monster. Often we don't even need Derrick Henry, like no, 705 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: not even not even close, right, So I think that's 706 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: gonna be Like, I think that's a really nice piece. 707 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: Like if I had to give it a grade out 708 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: of ten, I would give it like a seven, like 709 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: a solid seven. So now in back in Los Angeles, Florio, 710 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, this opens up obviously something for 711 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: Van Jefferson, who we saw step up and make plays 712 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: late in the year. So you've got Jefferson in there, 713 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: You've got Matt Stafford, who we think is going to 714 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: make this more of a vertical offense. Um, does this 715 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: mean you're in late round draft pick for Van Jefferson 716 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: this year? Yeah? I like Van Jefferson a lot. But 717 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: the Rams had to do what teams do, right. They 718 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: have to just throw a wet blanket on players that 719 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: fantasy players are excited for because they went down and 720 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: they signed to Shawan Jackson, who I know we could 721 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: like make jokes about, Oh, he's played five literally has 722 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: played five games the last two years. But when he's healthy, 723 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: he's still one of the better field stretchers in the league, 724 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: and that is now more competition for Van Jefferson. Then 725 00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: there was a couple of days ago when he was 726 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: still a free agent. So I like Van Jefferson. I 727 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: think all three of those wide receivers, Reynolds, Jefferson, and 728 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: DeShawn Jackson all are kind of similar in the sense 729 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: that they could be like late fantasy, like late round 730 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: fantasy flyers that are field stretchers and have a big 731 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: day occasionally. UM switched to me, it's kind of a 732 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: cop out answer, but these are all really nice best 733 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: ball targets I think, and not someone that you're gonna 734 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: want to have on your roster and trying to figure 735 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: out like it's this the week he's going to catch 736 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: the long ball. Yeah, I was gonna say the cop 737 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,439 Speaker 1: I answer is always like he's great in best ball, 738 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: But for me, Sean Jackson is the original. He's great 739 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 1: in best ball, Like he's the original one, right like 740 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: we should whoever is like the biggest best ball variants 741 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: for you know, over the season, should get the DeShawn 742 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: Jackson Award, right Like that's what it should be at 743 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: this point. Um, I'm not so worried about him. I 744 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, obviously he does have some value 745 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: when he's healthy and on the field. This feels sort 746 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: of like a homecoming, a chance for a guy to 747 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: kind of in his career at home in Los Angeles. Um, 748 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: that's sort of how this feels to me. And I 749 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: still think I would I attend to throw the dark 750 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: more Advan Jefferson, Uh, then worry about about de Sean 751 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: Jackson at this point in his career. Um, before we 752 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,439 Speaker 1: we wrap it up, I just wanted to, you know, come, 753 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to find some interesting things to sort of 754 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: wrap up the show with, and I came up with 755 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: sort of a couple of birthdays. One, uh is to 756 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: our pal Maurice Jones Drew today. It's his birthday. Happy birthday. Uh, 757 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: you are one of the few bruins that I will 758 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: give props to the occasion. Um. I love the fact 759 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 1: that what I love about m j D is he 760 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: is maybe the biggest trash talker I've ever met in 761 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: my life and will not back down. Um, there's a 762 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: reason I have a picture of him wearing a a 763 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: USC football jersey because, uh, you know, we we made it. 764 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 1: When he first started, we made a wager. He made 765 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: a wager with every Trojan alum he could see in 766 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: the building that U c. L A Would beat USC 767 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: that year in football. It didn't happen. So he wore 768 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: a Trojan jersey that I brought him on TV for that. Uh. 769 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: It was at number nine, which at the time was 770 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,320 Speaker 1: Juju Smith Schuster. Um. So he's so I have a picture. 771 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,280 Speaker 1: Should have made Reggie Bush. It just would have been awesome. 772 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: It would have been great. But yeah, no I had 773 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: I had a number nine a Juju jersey. Uh, and 774 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 1: so that's what he's wearing there. So happy birthday though, too, 775 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: m j D. The other one is sort of happy 776 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: birthday in a way to the Cleveland Browns. It was 777 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: on this day in nine NFL owners unanimously approved an 778 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: expansion team for Cleveland to replace the Browns that had 779 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: moved to Baltimore become the Ravens. So it was on 780 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: this day in Cleveland got their team back. Um, what 781 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: sin what were you doing around this time in if 782 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: you recall, well it was in high school. I was 783 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: probably like getting ready to learn how to drive. This 784 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: is pretty cool. Um, I uh yeah that I was 785 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: probably still like you know, I was actually probably counting 786 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,439 Speaker 1: down a day. So because like I was talking about 787 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 1: this lately, I had a lot of fun tailgating at 788 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: Michigan State games. Like I'm from east Land thing, so 789 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: like you know, like the friends and family was to 790 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: get the good food. Like you know, I was probably 791 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 1: already thinking about what do we do tailgate food for 792 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: next for next fall? Big food person, you know. So 793 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: now I'm afraid to ask this question, Floria, what were 794 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: you doing? Like I wasn't born yet, I was, I 795 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: was seven, so I was probably playing Pokemon or so 796 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 1: that seems like the prime the prime era for me 797 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,399 Speaker 1: to probably have been playing Poke. That's actually a better 798 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: answer than I thought I was getting. I thought you 799 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: were gonna tell me that you were like a toddler 800 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: or something and whatsoever, so i'd actually feel least a 801 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: little bit better. I was probably about six or eight 802 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 1: weeks away from graduating from college at that point. Because 803 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 1: I am an old. Um, and I do I do 804 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,760 Speaker 1: remember that. I remember, you know, I remember the Browns 805 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,399 Speaker 1: moving to Baltimore and becoming the Ravens. And then when 806 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: Cleveland got their team back. Um, not understanding that, you know, 807 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: not thinking that the Browns fans would go through two 808 00:37:54,600 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 1: plus decades of misery when their team came back. I was, 809 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,399 Speaker 1: I was, I was. I was gullible enough to believe 810 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: that Tim Couch was going to be the answer for 811 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: the Browns and uh just had to wait a little bit. 812 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: Per Hey, but you know what, it's worth it because 813 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: you know what things things are legitimately looking up in Cleveland. Um, oh, 814 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 1: they had an awesome free agent. They've like quietly added 815 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: really nice pieces to their defense that you're like, oh, 816 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,919 Speaker 1: you could be really good, like any Hoodell comes back. 817 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 1: So it sounds like the Browns are a sleeper team 818 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,240 Speaker 1: if if Cynthia does not become a Bills fan, they 819 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: I don't think I can do that. There's a lot 820 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: of history. I don't want to put myself in a 821 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: situation like like if I'm gonna jump ship is just 822 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: be like the most fun fan Daise, Like, yeah, I 823 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: mean I'm not going I'm not like fair weather fanning it, 824 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,839 Speaker 1: you know, because but just most fun they still I mean, 825 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 1: it's still the factory of sadness until things turn around there. 826 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,280 Speaker 1: So I don't know that you want to necessarily align 827 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: yourself like good on you Browns fans who have stayed 828 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 1: boiled and you deserve all the happiness in the world. Um, 829 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: but I think it's gonna be a while. But where 830 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: you see a whole lot of bandwagon Browns fans, Um, 831 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 1: that's just that's just my I'm going for best tailgate 832 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: and Bills seem to have that one. I would say 833 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 1: that they. I went to a Jets Bills game in 834 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: New York and the Bills fans took over that tailgate, 835 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 1: so yeah, they know what they're doing. I totally Hey, Cynthia, 836 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: we appreciate you jumping in. Hopefully we'll do this thing soon. 837 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 1: Um long off season, so why I hope to get 838 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: you on to get at some point before we get anytime. 839 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: I'd love to absolutely and Florio, we're gonna miss you, 840 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 1: but for the next few months. I definitely planned to 841 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: sneak you in here a few times during your hiatus too, 842 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: because you know, I'm just gonna want your insight and 843 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: stuff and maybe just I have nothing else. We can 844 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 1: talk Mets and Dodgers for I am happy to do so, 845 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: and I just wanted quickly not to get sad. People 846 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: say thank you for having me on the podcast. Thank 847 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: you Cynthia for you know, accepting me and getting to 848 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: work with people that I watched on TV previously. It's 849 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: just a dream come true. So thank you guys so much. 850 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 1: Appreciate it. And look pretty bad, you know, don't go. 851 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 1: Don't be a fraider. Yeah, I don't plan on being one. 852 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 1: They have you back full time in a few months too, 853 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: as well, So in the meantime for us, that is it. 854 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 1: We are done. We appreciate your hanging out with the 855 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: NFL Fantasy Football show, you know the drill. Tell to 856 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 1: friends to tell two friends rate review and remember if 857 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 1: everything tastes like chicken, what does chicken taste like? The 858 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 1: saves to take care of yourselves wearing a mask and 859 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: we will see you next week. Wow w W come