WEBVTT - Episode 39 - Charlie Worsham (2-27-17) 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:04.440 All right, welcome to episode thirty nine, where at the 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.640 house with Charlie Washing. I'm good friend of mine. I'm 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:09.480 gonna see but I'm good to see you. I like 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:12.720 your music. Yeah, yeah, we I think Mike and I 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:15.720 had this music accidentally the very first show, right, like 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:17.759 what we got, and we were just looking for some 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:19.840 kind of game show music. And now it's stuck. So 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:22.279 we played every single Bobby Guys, maybe after fifty or 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:24.080 something will change it. What's gonna say a ficture? Mike, 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:27.280 get comfortable, man, I am comfortable. Maybe I'm not that. 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.600 Let me get comfortable to let me hit my shirt off. 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:34.760 All right, now, I'm ready. So it's gonna see again too. 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:36.640 You have a record coming out in April. I just 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:37.960 kind of want to give the overview and then we 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:40.280 kind of go around with the whole story first. So 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:42.560 you have a record coming out in April, right, that's right? Alright, 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:45.360 So new record comes out in April. I know Charlie 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:48.960 for I've known you for a few years now, Um, 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:54.160 you are a multi instrumentalist. Well, Mike, how would we 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:56.280 describe Charlie people? We've never heard it before. Before we 0:00:56.280 --> 0:01:01.840 get to the story, I mean super Surrey April, like genius, 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:07.640 prodigy kid who's now music. Yeah, like even the greats 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:11.039 go way. Charlie Warson was awesome. So now that we've 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:12.600 said that, I want we kind of dig into the 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:15.360 story so that because people listening like, who's Charlie Warhson. 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.119 That's who it is. One of the smartest guys I know. Well, 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:22.040 thank you. My mom is a school teacher. Oh a 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:24.560 lot to that. What what you teach? Well, a little 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:28.080 bit everything. Over the years, uh forever, she taught sixth 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:32.480 grade and um she now has transitioned into running the 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:35.720 gifted programs back in my hometown. So you're a gifted 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.720 kid though, right, I did some of the gifted. We 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:43.440 had gifted opportunities from i'd say eighth grade on. So 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:45.760 there wasn't like a g T in second grade for 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:49.400 you guys in Mississippi. Oh not not necessarily. But that's 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:53.760 where my mom comes in. She always had the best 0:01:53.920 --> 0:02:00.320 like educational books and just she encouraged my curier city, 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:03.240 you know. And she she believes in travel as an education, 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:07.280 and so I was very well traveled at a young age. 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:11.560 Um that and that made a huge difference, you know, 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:16.000 were you all as kid. Ah, yeah, because you loved 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:21.359 learning or because you the pressure was there. I'd say 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:25.040 the pressure was maybe the third on the list that 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:30.240 I did truly love and still do love learning. Um 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:32.440 but it also and you can probably relate to this, 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.560 it was sort of a game, and I love I 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:39.240 feel like I have a healthy competitive spirit and it 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:43.080 was fun. Two treat it kind of like a game, 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:48.200 like a competition, like a competition. Yeah. Yeah, so you 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:51.320 you go to school and you grew up in Coronada, Missippi. Right, 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:53.880 So what so I could far install a population like 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:57.080 seven hundred where I grew up. How big is Granada? Well, 0:02:57.120 --> 0:03:01.399 the county is uh about twenty five thousand. I think 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.560 we're not a county or town. It's both. It's both, 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:08.120 and so within the city it's probably fifteen. I could 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.000 be off on those numbers. I mean, I graduated in 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:13.679 a class of uh eighty five, it's closer to to 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:17.639 thirty or forty now, I think, Um, so it's it's 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:22.320 not a small small town. It's not a big town either, 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:26.000 but it's big fish in a little pond kind of town. 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:27.840 When you go back to Granada, are you the big 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:31.640 deal there? Well, I mean I I have a lot 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:33.680 of good friends there. I have a lot of people 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:37.080 that have seen me since I was you know, as 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:40.040 they say, kneehi to a grasshopper, and you know, playing 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:42.440 banjo at the nursing home and all that sort of thing. 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:47.000 And so, uh, I'm I'm very very I feel very 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.839 loved back home. So that means yeah, so okay, let's 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:52.480 start with you as a kid, and so you start 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:55.240 to pick up what insuran at what age? Uh. As 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:57.680 soon as I struck out at t ball and karate, 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:00.600 didn't you know, sparring didn't work out that great, I 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:03.000 realized I should maybe try something else. And it was 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:05.960 piano lessons. And that was in kindergarten and I stuck 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:10.760 with piano lessons through my high school years. Um and 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:15.680 I we would come up here to Nashville a ton soup, yes, 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:17.520 part of that travel thing, and we would go to 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.960 operu Land when the theme park was still around. And 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:23.160 this guy, Mike Snyder, he's remember of the Grand ol 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.599 Opry and and a very beloved part of the country 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:31.440 music story. And uh, he had this show and uh 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:34.520 in the American bandstand and he played this song he 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.800 had written about running over the German shepherd in the 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:41.040 driveway and making a coat for his wife out of it, 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.080 the fur Coat Song. And I went up to Nashville 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:46.040 wanting a guitar because I always want to rock out 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:52.480 on electric guitar. But my mom's psychology, uh and seeing 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:56.520 Mike Snyder combined made me go back to Grenado wanting 0:04:56.560 --> 0:05:00.360 a band a banjo. Uh. So you came to phil 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:03.320 knowing the piano one thing, to play the guitar, but 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.120 then you were influenced into the banjo. And what what 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:08.960 age was that? Right around second grade? So didn't you 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:10.440 at some point in your life and I don't want 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:12.760 to go back, but didn't you win like a championship 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.960 at banjo plan? Yeah? So part of the story with that. 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.719 I would go to a lot of these small community 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:24.800 uh bluegrass days, you know, where they'd have a concert 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:26.800 and a contest and you could you could enter all 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:28.720 the contests. They have a fiddle and a mandolin and 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:31.880 a banjo contest. And after the banjo, I started picking 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:36.040 up other instruments every year or two and uh, here's 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:40.320 the deal there there would only be maybe two competitors 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:45.000 in the mandolin competition, and there'd be three prizes, and 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:47.320 first prize was either fifty or a hundred dollars. So 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:53.680 I mean just by entering, your your accruing money. And 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:56.719 uh So I would go clean up these little festivals 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.479 and enter every contest, and I knew my two songs 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:03.080 old Man and and and uh and then I eventually 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:07.200 graduated up to the the Mississippi State Fair contest that 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:10.200 was a big deal in the state. And um I 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:13.200 never won. I never won that contest, and we all 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:15.320 felt like it was rigged and all this stuff, you know, 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.760 but whatever, I never won. And we heard about uh 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:23.799 through another person. We met there this thing in Smithfield, Smithfield, Tennessee, 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.159 where Mike Snyder grew up, and you're playing the banjo 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.440 at this time. Yeah, banjo was the main thing. And 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:33.840 if if it was a small situation and we'd throw 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:35.920 the other instruments in the car and go. But um 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.159 so we go up to Smithfield and it's the Junior 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:43.760 National Banjo Contest and there's not much national about it 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:48.000 really in reality, but they have the title and and 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:50.479 uh so I ended up winning. And I wrote a 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:53.719 note to Mike Snyder and sort of at the end 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.240 of the note wrote, you know, It's always been my 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.320 dream to play the opry. You know, we nudge and 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.680 nudge and low and behold he with the phone rings 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:05.479 one day in the kitchen and my mom's there. She 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:09.920 picks it up and he's he's called, and he's asking 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:12.040 if I want to come be his guest on the operation. 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:15.280 How old are you? Uh? That was I was about twelve, 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.480 twelve years old. You go and win the National Banjo competition, 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.720 because that is what it was called, and you write 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:24.320 a note and say, hey, you influence me. That's right 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:25.800 from when you mailed it off till you got the 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.440 call back. How long was that? Gosh, I don't remember. 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:30.880 I don't remember, but and it was. I do remember. 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:32.960 It was junior National, so it wasn't quite what the 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:36.320 full blown National wasn't. And twelve was the cap, the 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.080 age cap, so I barely got in. But I remember 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:42.600 it was just before my thirteenth birthday, which my birthdays 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.440 in September, so it would have been I think it 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:47.440 was in August. I think it was in August. I 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.280 played in the contest. Probably would have been that summer 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:51.880 because I don't think we could have done a trip 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:55.920 like that during the school year. You know, um do 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.680 we were you waiting for a call from I didn't 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:03.160 know what to expect, you know, I still don't stuff 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:07.520 like that. Um, but I'm it was kind of like 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:11.640 when you hope for you know, you you're hoping for 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.679 something for your birthday or for Christmas, or you hope 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:18.600 for something on a TV show and you can't really 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.119 ever count on it happening, but when it does happen, 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.680 you're just yeah, I knew what was gonna happen, you know. 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:25.920 So he says, invite it up to the opera? Do 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:27.680 you call him and say, hey, when do you want 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:29.280 me to come up? And I'll come up immediately? How 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:30.440 does that work? How do you get back in touch 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:33.800 with him? I don't remember, you know what. That was 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.240 a thing. That was a mom thing and she was 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:38.439 so sweet to be as as the phrase goes to 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:42.160 the manager in those earlier years, and also very sweet 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.800 not to be the momager later on, you know, like 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:50.840 we we established some some boundaries there which were nice 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:52.760 later on. But when I when you're a kid, you know, 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:57.240 and it was different, and so I just remembered we 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:59.560 got to go in that, you know, and you've been 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:01.679 on the play this, so you know, you get that 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:06.040 backstage entrance operate the artist and it's way different, you know. 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:10.640 And we've seen the opera a bunch, you know, and um, golly, 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.760 it was it was pretty magic. So you go out 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.080 of twelve years old, you play the opera the first 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:18.440 time you play the banjo. I'm assuming since that's what 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:20.560 you did, did you sing it all or just get 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:24.600 that would come the next year, right right as puberty 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:28.560 was hitting, And so there are a couple of songs, uh, 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:30.760 from an album I got to make that next year 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:35.480 with Mike Snyder's band, Um and I sang on a 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:40.120 couple of those tracks, and it's it's not my proudest moment. 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:42.080 So how do you get back on the operation again? 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.520 Did you play so well? Invited you back? Uh? Well, 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:50.440 I didn't play it again until I was here living 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:54.880 in Nashville between Yeah, well there was one. There was 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.320 one thing. It wasn't an opery show. It was some 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:01.280 big blue gray as jam day. And we did go 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.559 back a few months later and I got to jam 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:06.520 and play again on the Opery. But it wasn't the 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:09.520 opery Opery, you know, it was just the stage, which 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:13.480 is still amazing. And then I moved to Nashville at 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:18.680 one and the next time I really was on the 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:22.160 stage for the Opery Show would have been backing up 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:28.480 Rebecca len Howard, who is a super talented singer and 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:32.319 writer and artist and um. She put a few records 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:36.680 out how to Hit Her Two and has continued to write, 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:41.200 and she's in Steven Tyler's band now UM but also 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:44.120 does her own production. And so the next time you 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:48.360 went there, you were playing for her. Decide musician. Okay, 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:49.680 I want to go back to the kid thing because 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:53.559 you were Did you practice a lot or did it 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:57.240 come easy as you practiced a lot? It would depend 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:01.920 on what it was. The guitar. Uh, well, it never 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:06.559 felt like practicing. You know, I'm not the best practice er. 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:12.120 Actually A practiced more now than I probably ever have. Piano. 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:16.160 I practiced, Uh tried fiddle for a couple of years. 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:19.880 That was not the most successful venture into you know, 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:21.400 you you don't want me to be your fiddle player. 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:22.920 I just put it like that. But it took a 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:24.840 lot more practice because it was a little more foreign 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.000 to me, not having frets and not having a pick 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:31.320 and having to do the bow instead. But uh, guitar 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:34.880 was just always fun to play. And if if picking 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:39.320 out chords and solo parts and licks off of records 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:43.000 counts as practicing, yes, I practiced a lot, but I 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:46.240 wouldn't say I spent a great deal of time, you know, 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:50.160 running scales back and forth to a metronome. You know, 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:54.640 it was just making trying to make music. When did 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:56.880 you feel like you were gonn enough to make a 0:11:57.000 --> 0:12:00.440 life out of this. It's it's a hard question for 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:06.240 me to answer because I don't ever remember not just 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.040 thinking that's where it was going, but I don't remember 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:14.520 ever going. It just always was the next thing in 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:16.880 front of me, you know, it was whatever came next, 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:19.760 And and it got more and more. I got more 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:21.680 and more involved, and it got more and more serious, 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:26.319 and it was the time to start looking at college options. 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:29.880 And I had done really well academically, so I had 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:36.400 some really good offers, especially in state. And then there 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:42.760 was Berkeley in Boston, which was ah expensive and and 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:48.040 and even with scholarships expensive still, but in my heart 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:49.800 it was just this has to be it, you know. 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:53.040 I've been there for a summer program, and I fell 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:54.560 in love with it, and fell in love with the 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:58.240 people there and and uh, that might have been the 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:01.760 point which I officially signed up for this. When you 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.320 get to Berkeley and it's and have other friends who 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:08.000 went to Berkeley, you know, just crazy music brains. When 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.480 you get there and you're on other like minded people 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:15.000 there there, you know their brains are like yours. Is 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.520 that strange for you since you've never really been completely 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:21.760 surrounded by people like you? It was. It was the 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.760 best culture shock anyone could have. I mean, you're a 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:29.439 kid from Mississippi going to Boston and you're a kid 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:31.760 in a small town where there's probably not a lot 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:33.600 of what you do happening around you at the level 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:35.800 that you want to do it. So talk about when 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:37.560 you get when you get to Boston, you get to Brooklyn, 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:39.360 you meet all these other kids who are kind of 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:42.240 in the same same place, right, Well, yeah, because it will. 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:46.440 In Mississippi, I've had a lot of people who mentored me. 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.280 So there were there were the guys I played in 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.000 bars on the weekends with, and they were all in 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:54.640 their thirties and forties and better than me. And that 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:56.680 was a gift. You know what I believe in trying 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:00.000 to not be don't ever be the most talented musician, 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:01.800 and in your band, you know that you're not going 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:07.440 to grow that way. And so the biggest shift being 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:11.320 in Boston was that everyone it was all the means 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:13.960 from all the other towns, which is what is what 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:17.560 you're saying, what you're asking. But but the the shift 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:20.080 wasn't that all of a sudden was surrounded by people 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:23.640 that were lifting me up. It was that they were 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:25.320 doing that, but they were my age, and they had 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:30.840 the same story and the same you know future and 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:35.680 all its uncertain glory um and it was it's a 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:41.640 very international school. And Boston is I mean kind of 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:43.280 like when you first went to a Little Rock and 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:46.120 then Austin. It would have been like both of those 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:51.120 in one maybe possibly just because I mean the Red 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.560 Sox one that first my first semester, the Red Sox 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:59.360 broke the Yeah they won, and I mean here in 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:03.240 mississipp you probably remember this too, or you can of 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.280 relate to this. It's you know, you get in the 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:07.800 car to drive through the parking lot next door in Boston, 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.920 it's like, man, you're gonna walk. We're gonna I don't 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.200 care if it's four feet of snow. We're just walking everywhere, 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.400 or we're gonna get on the subway. There's a subway, 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.720 you know, all of that. And you know there's a 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:25.240 little literally called North End, and real Italian immigrants here 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:27.560 like cutting the salami in the cheese and you can 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:29.760 actually it's right off the boat from Italy and you 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:31.520 can buy it right here on you know. So it 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.120 was just this crazy thing and it felt like a 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:37.720 summer camp that never ended because it just wasn't. I mean, 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.600 it was challenging, but it wasn't challenging in a way 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:44.720 that felt difficult because it was so much fun and 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:46.760 everybody else was there having so much fun. It was 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:50.680 the Disneyland of of being a young musician. It wasn't 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:56.720 a crazy competition to you odd, not really, because you know, 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:03.520 and the beauty of Berkeley is you find your people 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:08.400 and it turns out and the same here in Nashville. 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:12.520 All your people, your your your crew. They all have 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.840 different talents and do different things. And and if I 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:17.920 if I showed up at Berkeley with any chip on 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:19.880 my shoulder, it was what I call the three chord 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:23.840 music chip, because you know, they're like all these kids 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:25.760 who could do this stuff. I'll never be able to do. 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:31.280 And I consciously was sort of, WHOA, I don't. I'm 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:33.960 curious about that, and I want to know more about it, 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:38.080 but I don't want to ever not be excited about G, 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.640 C and D. If. If I ever get to a 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:44.800 point where I'm not thrilled by the chords and the A, C, 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.960 D C songs, then I'm doing something wrong, you know. 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:52.240 So I sort of had this defensive nature when it 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:56.360 came to something that might have felt like competition. It 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.240 was like, WHOA, that's cool you do that. This is 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:01.840 what I do. I love songs that are this simple. 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:04.959 And I got to be in a bluegrass band for 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:08.359 credit for college credit, and I was a banjo player 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:12.119 and there weren't really other banjo players, so I was 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.920 just collaborating all the time. It wasn't competitive in that way. 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:19.159 And and my major was production and engineering, which I 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:21.760 picked because it meant I could go be in these 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.600 studios with SSL consoles and be around the gear and 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.440 um all the friends I made there, you know, we 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:31.680 we were forced to collaborate. If you had a class 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:35.280 and uh production and engineering, your it was a session 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.879 based class, so you had to go find musicians and 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:41.160 a singer and a songwriter which might be the same 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.840 person but might not. And you had to budget it out, 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:46.959 which meant working with the music business folks. And so 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:49.919 you were working with all the other people and and 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:53.480 your job is different. Even even down to most of 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.360 the classes. You would do two projects each semester, one 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:58.959 as producer, one as engineering. You'd partner with somebody so 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.760 for their production prob Jake, you were their engineer, so 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:05.760 that there was not a lot of opportunity to feel 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:09.080 cut throat. And now we visited some other schools that 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:13.360 were more traditional conservatories, and you could tell because everybody 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:15.880 was trying to play this Beethoven piece or something, and 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:20.240 there's there there is a definite way to do Beethoven 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:25.080 and Mozart right in a way to do it wrong. Um, 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:30.800 And you can easily h grade people and order them. 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.600 And it wasn't But Michael was that movie with the 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:36.480 kid in the drums, It was like whiplash on banjo, 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:39.040 was like, oh yeah, well, I mean there was there was, 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:45.120 you know, challenges. There was a challenging situation with most 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.879 of my professors. I mean they pushed us what got you, 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:52.320 what instrument got you into Berkley, was it banjo? Uh? 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:54.720 I think I signed up on paper for guitar, but 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.240 I always had the banjo with me and used that 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:00.800 as a a way to go. This is something different. 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:03.399 I have a friend who went as a vocal that 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:06.720 she came out playing the fiddle. Yeah, And so I 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:08.600 don't you know ant Yes, I do. I was about 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:10.399 to say, I think you're talking about that. Yeah, And 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:12.840 she plays the fiddle. She's so great at the fiddle. 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:15.160 And I was talking to her about Birke like She's like, yeah, 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.159 I went in as a vocal as a singer, and 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:20.679 she sings great. She's one of the best singers. She 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:24.040 sings fantastic. But she has that fit. I thought she 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:26.119 went ever fiddle because she's, you know, so good to 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:28.359 fay the fiddle. Uh, let me talk for a second. 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:31.640 How about this so blue Apron. You know, not all 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.879 ingredients are created equal. 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All right, so Charlie 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:39.520 wash thems here and we're talking about and I'm gonna 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:42.040 play something here. Let's we talked about some mystery stuff. 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:43.720 Let me play some Cut Your Groove here. This is 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:45.879 from You can buy it now, but the records come 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:59.440 out in April. When the needle drives, what you're gonna do, 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:06.360 I'm gonna go backwards. Okay, I love it. Uh. This 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:11.200 album started in year old stomping grounds of Buston, Texas, 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:14.639 at Waterloo Records. I was in between tours and I 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:18.880 was really burned out. And I bought these three notebooks 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:23.119 at at Waterloo, and that song and all the songs 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:26.960 I wrote or co wrote on the album We're Born 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:31.280 in those notebooks and uh, cut Your Groove was I 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:35.600 call it my theme song because the whole notebook thing 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:40.639 and this album was me sort of working out being 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:45.359 human being on one level, but also sort of coming 0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:48.240 to grips with you know, this is the thing I've 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:50.200 always loved, and I somehow got to a point where 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:52.800 I was so burned out, I was on the edge 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:56.000 of not loving it anymore. And this is me falling 0:21:56.040 --> 0:22:00.320 back in love with music. And uh, and that song. 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:05.360 I forget the when when exactly it came in the process, 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:08.080 but I just remember I was doing these morning pages. 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:10.280 I promised myself I'd feel a page every day, and 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:13.840 the only rule was telling the truth. And uh, it 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:17.600