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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to episode thirty nine, where at the

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Speaker 1: house with Charlie Washing. I'm good friend of mine. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna see but I'm good to see you. I like

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Speaker 1: your music. Yeah, yeah, we I think Mike and I

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Speaker 1: had this music accidentally the very first show, right, like

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Speaker 1: we played every single Bobby Guys, maybe after fifty or

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Speaker 1: something will change it. What's gonna say a ficture? Mike,

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Speaker 1: get comfortable, man, I am comfortable. Maybe I'm not that.

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Speaker 1: Let me get comfortable to let me hit my shirt off.

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Speaker 1: All right, now, I'm ready. So it's gonna see again too.

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Speaker 1: You have a record coming out in April. I just

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Speaker 1: you have a record coming out in April, right, that's right? Alright,

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Speaker 1: So new record comes out in April. I know Charlie

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Speaker 1: for I've known you for a few years now, Um,

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Speaker 1: you are a multi instrumentalist. Well, Mike, how would we

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Speaker 1: describe Charlie people? We've never heard it before. Before we

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Speaker 1: get to the story, I mean super Surrey April, like genius,

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Speaker 1: prodigy kid who's now music. Yeah, like even the greats

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Speaker 1: go way. Charlie Warson was awesome. So now that we've

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Speaker 1: That's who it is. One of the smartest guys I know. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you. My mom is a school teacher. Oh a

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Speaker 1: lot to that. What what you teach? Well, a little

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Speaker 1: gifted programs back in my hometown. So you're a gifted

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Speaker 1: kid though, right, I did some of the gifted. We

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Speaker 1: you guys in Mississippi. Oh not not necessarily. But that's

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Speaker 1: where my mom comes in. She always had the best

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Speaker 1: Um that and that made a huge difference, you know,

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Speaker 1: but it also and you can probably relate to this,

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Speaker 1: you go to school and you grew up in Coronada, Missippi. Right,

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Speaker 1: So what so I could far install a population like

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Speaker 1: When you go back to Granada, are you the big

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Speaker 1: How old are you? Uh? That was I was about twelve,

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Speaker 1: Did you play so well? Invited you back? Uh? Well,

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Speaker 1: Actually A practiced more now than I probably ever have. Piano.

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Speaker 1: I practiced, Uh tried fiddle for a couple of years.

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Speaker 1: And so I was drawing on that and the idea

429
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: of the word groove and where we landed and stuff,

430
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: and just seeing myself in Oscar and and he was

431
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: throwing out things and and that's where that song really

432
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 1: came from. So you talk about being burnt out? What

433
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: burned you out? Well you mentioned it twice yea, like

434
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: spent sixty seconds or so, so it sounds like you've

435
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 1: kind of had some sort of like Okay, I'm tired

436
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: and now you're back. Yeah, it was. And I used

437
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: the word burned out because it's it's not the right word,

438
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: but it's the the closest I can get to what

439
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: it was, which is, you know, the what was frustrating you?

440
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 1: All right? I learned this great definition over the last

441
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: couple of years. That integrity is when you're insides and

442
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 1: your outside match. And I was in a place where

443
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like my insides and my outsides matched.

444
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: I had spent my life playing music and loving it,

445
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: and if I worked harder, I was rewarded somehow more

446
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: for it. And and I could always just go work

447
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: and get better and and and then it would just

448
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: all make sense based on that, and and I signed

449
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: this record deal, and it was amazing, and all of

450
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: a sudden, this thing that was always my life, just

451
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: the music and trying to wake up every day and

452
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,959
Speaker 1: get better and trusting that more or less that if

453
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: I do that, that everything else works out. All of

454
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: a sudden, part of my job and part of the picture,

455
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: was well, you've got to think about these things, and

456
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: they might be the photo shoot or the video shoot,

457
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: or what do you think about this haircut? Or what

458
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: do you think about these clothes? And then touring, strategy

459
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: and data DA all this and social media, and then

460
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm on social media and you know which, I actually

461
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 1: took this weekend off of social media and it was

462
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: the greatest thing for me ever. I might have to

463
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: start doing it more because it's comparison is such a

464
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: a dangerous thing in this business. It doesn't do anybody

465
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: any good, you know. Uh. And and yet we also

466
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: have to sort of keep eyes open and see what's

467
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: on the landscape, you know. And so I was just

468
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: I ended up in this place where I've been on

469
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 1: the road NonStop for eighteen months. I didn't feel like

470
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: my music was connecting, and I didn't know what was

471
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: wrong with me. I thought something was wrong with me.

472
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: So every time I felt that I would just work harder,

473
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: get on the hamster wheel faster, you know. And the

474
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: truth is that it just it just doesn't always it

475
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: doesn't always go as we plan. And and and I

476
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: was always right to just think, if I just work

477
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: on myself, try to get better, it's all gonna work out.

478
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: And of course I got to manage these other things.

479
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: But my job is to tell the truth. That's why

480
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 1: I ended up writing it on that notebook, even if

481
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: I didn't know that at the time. And and so

482
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: I just got to this place where I was physically exhausted.

483
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: I was frustrated, and and I was frustrated that it

484
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: didn't work. I felt pressured to you know, uh, prove

485
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: my label, right, you know, they had invested all this

486
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: in me and and in my you know, in my priorities.

487
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing. My my happiness was attached to

488
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: these expectations I had put on myself and that and

489
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: that caused pressure. And so when I fell short of

490
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: those expectations, I didn't think I had earned happiness and

491
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I had done my job. And

492
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: that just is not a healthy way to try to

493
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: do a thirty or fourty year career, you know. And

494
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: and so I took this time and I did a

495
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: lot of work on myself. And I mean, you've talked

496
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: about this in your book, and I'll tell you, man.

497
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: I mean I've I've been seeing a counselor seeing a

498
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,479
Speaker 1: therapist for a while now, and I got to go

499
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: to this place called on site, which is sort of

500
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: like a six day intensive uh, you know, you check

501
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: your phone in and everything, and you just work on yourself.

502
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: And so I've learned so much about myself now. Um,

503
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: and I don't think I can if we're going backwards

504
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: to look at this, I can't tease apart this record

505
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: and that part of my journey. You know, I've always

506
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: just been music, music, music, and I needed to take

507
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: a minute and kind of go, okay, human being, let's

508
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: look at this. So when do you decide you're gonna

509
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 1: like what what is it? Because I've had breaking points

510
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: for me? What was the breaking point for you? We're like, Okay,

511
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: something's got to change because I can't go at this

512
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: pace at least emotionally and mentally and make it like

513
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: where was it for you? When I was like, Okay,

514
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: I gotta take a step back because that's a hard

515
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: decision to make. Yeah. Well, and some of it, to

516
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: be fair, was sort of made for me. I mean

517
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: I have to give my label credit. Chris Lacey my

518
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: a n R and s BO, who who runs the label.

519
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: They both sort of said, hey, we're worried about you.

520
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: You don't seem to be happy. Why don't you go

521
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: make Charlie music? You know? And man, that was the

522
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: greatest gift because I mean, I can't tell you had

523
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: I been somewhere else, I don't know that i'd still

524
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: have a deal. I don't know that they that would

525
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: have been said. It might have been you need to

526
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: cut these hits or whatever. I don't know, you know,

527
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: but I know that what they the way they helped

528
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: me was it was a gift. And I think it

529
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: all came to a head towards the end of the

530
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: fall of Oh my Gosh. I think two fourteen, I

531
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: was on the CMT tour and it was a great

532
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: tour to be on. And when tours like this get booked,

533
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: as you know, they often are booked nine months twelve

534
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: months in advance. And so the tour was me and

535
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: Sam Hunt and kept more and between the booking of

536
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: the tour and the tour, Sam Hunt became I call Elvis,

537
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, he was on fire and uh,

538
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: and my record just kind of ran out of gas.

539
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: None of this is anybody's fault or plan or anything.

540
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: It just that's what happened. But I was locked in

541
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: to go on after Sam Hunt, and people were coming

542
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: to the shows rightly, so they were wanting to hear

543
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: Sam Hunt, and they only got about twenty minutes of him,

544
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: and then they got me for forty five minutes. And

545
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: I took it personally, I really did, and that was

546
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: not something I should have done. But I walked off

547
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: stage really angry with myself and and frustrated, ah and

548
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: not not at Sam, and I wish I could say

549
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: in every instance, not at the audience, but I just

550
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: couldn't understand, you know. But now I can see it

551
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: clearly and the people at the shows. I had no

552
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: idea that that's how tours get booked, and that's how

553
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: it was, and that's just how it was, and it's

554
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: how it how to be, you know. And I love

555
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: Sam and I'm a fan, and and yet I had

556
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: this really difficult job of following him, and and I'd

557
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: already I was coming off of another tour that was

558
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: coming off of another tour, and and and somewhere in

559
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: there too, I also was sort of given the news

560
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to go start over with a new record,

561
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: and my expectations again they were still driving my happiness.

562
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, what what are you talking about? Man,

563
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: there's we gotta do two more singles, like this is crazy,

564
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: And but that's just that's just life, you know. That

565
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: was just what happened. And uh, And I was really

566
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: lucky to be on that tour. I was really lucky

567
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: to have the album and have it connect as much

568
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: as it did connect. And I just couldn't see it

569
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: clearly at the time. And so when that tour was over,

570
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: we went to Canada that next winter, that next February

571
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: and did a tour and and then the brakes came

572
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: on pretty hard. And and it just took me a

573
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: couple of years. Two Uh. I call it emotional blood letting,

574
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: you know. I just had to get past the frustrations

575
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: so that and to a place where I could see

576
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: things clearly. And and now I'm just I'm happy because

577
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: I'm happy and I get to do what I love

578
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: and I'm very grateful for that, and I practiced a

579
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: lot of gratitude. Um. But but I don't think my

580
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: story is necessarily unique because I think, you know, that's

581
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: the challenge of of when you get a record deal.

582
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: I mean that's all of a sudden, you're on radio

583
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: tour and then're on a regular tour and then you're

584
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's just boom boom boom with all these things,

585
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: and people are looking at you like you're the Coca

586
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: Cola bottle and they changed the design of the bottle.

587
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: Only it's not the label on the bottle. This is you.

588
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: This is your vulnerability on you know, on speakers and

589
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: and when you get on stage, I mean, if I

590
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: if I gained ten pounds and I don't fit in

591
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: my photo shoot clothes, you know, it's not that's me.

592
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: It's not some product. And it's just kind of a

593
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: roller coaster ride. And I think it's I think it's

594
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: a challenging journey for for most anyone who has that opportunity,

595
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: just because it's so abnormal. I mean, if you look

596
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: back at as far back as Elvis, I mean the

597
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: guy had to go run out movie theaters at night

598
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: because he couldn't go to a regular you know what

599
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: I mean. And that's a whole other set of problems

600
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: and stuff. All that to say, it's just public professions

601
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: create abnormal life circumstances and which you know to you

602
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: have your own experiences that I that some of which

603
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: I've read in your book, and more of which I

604
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: know you have, and it's just one of those things.

605
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: And and so my goal now is sort of like

606
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: with cut your group especially, is this is what I've learned,

607
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: This is how I came to peace with it. And

608
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: I hope that in telling you all out there that

609
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: it helps you somehow on your journey. You know, did

610
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: you come from the line of thought that you come

611
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: away from this better and stronger because of all the

612
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: pain as an artist. Yeah, and and I don't mean

613
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: it to sound but no, I think that, yes. Absolutely.

614
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: You know there's that great Leonard Cohen song that has

615
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: the line the cracks are where the light gets in.

616
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, if yeah, I don't think I would

617
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: be able to appreciate anything that ever might come my way.

618
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: Uh good, if I didn't have the times when it

619
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: was withheld from me for whatever reason. You know, do

620
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: you think because something I've struggled with? Do you think

621
00:34:55,360 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: that you didn't know how to be happy until you

622
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: really felt what it was like to be sad and

623
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: you really didn't know what it was like to be

624
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: sad until you really got sad. Oh? I do think

625
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: that the two create attention that is necessary. Ah. And

626
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: you know, for me, the way I the way I

627
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: see that, the way I interpret that is that, ah,

628
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: it's okay to be sad, and it's okay to be angry,

629
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: and it's okay to be lonely. Um. I don't think

630
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: that the way we all get hit from all sides

631
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: with advertisements and you know, everything from social media to

632
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: TV and whatnot. You know, we're not necessarily encouraged on

633
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: a daily basis to be anything short of happy, and

634
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: we sort of you know. I mean, if you look

635
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: at my Instagram fee, you would think that I have

636
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: the most charmed life there ever was. And so we're

637
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: all on these phones like swiping down and seeing everybody

638
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: else's rock star version of their life and thinking, well,

639
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: why isn't that me? And the truth is, man, that

640
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: is you, and that's them too. But if you if

641
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: you got past the social media feed, there's also all

642
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 1: these other things, and it's okay to feel those things.

643
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: And if you don't let those things process themselves. I'd

644
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: take a boxing class every week if I can, religiously,

645
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: because I don't care what it is, if it's unfounded

646
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: or not. I find that if I spend an hour

647
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: punching the air and punching the the midst of the instructor,

648
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: a week, I work out whatever frustrations I have in

649
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: my week goes better, you know. And if I don't

650
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 1: do it, I haven't I end up having a weird week.

651
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: We are made to process all these things, and I

652
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: know how like I know, I go deep on this stuff,

653
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: but check this out. Up until about fifty years ago,

654
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: if you were a human being on this planet, to

655
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: keep your housewarming winter, you have to chop firewood pretty much,

656
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Or at least two a

657
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: hundred years ago, you had to get out and swinging

658
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: acts for a couple of hours every day, and and

659
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: anger releases itself physically, and that's a healthy way to

660
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: get rid of that anger. If somebody died, you didn't

661
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: send them, you didn't call the corner. You you put

662
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,479
Speaker 1: them up in the house and hope that the body

663
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: didn't smell bad. And then you and your friends down

664
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: the street got out the shovels and dug the hole

665
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: and buried your friend or your family member. And the

666
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: sadness was forced you had. You were forced to process

667
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: those emotions. And it was okay to process those emotions

668
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: because it was a part of daily life. But today

669
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: we're insulated from all of that and we're encouraged to

670
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: be happy all the time. And I'm sorry, but that

671
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: just isn't It's what you said you In order to

672
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: really know happiness and feel it, you you have to

673
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: know the other emotions too. So you think because they

674
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: did more exertion back in the day they were able

675
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: to get more feelings out. Well, I just think it

676
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: was a more natural use of our our bodies and

677
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: our our daily routines. You know, I've never heard the

678
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: theory before. I think it's interesting theory. I mean, who knows.

679
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: I mean, a scientist can call in at any moment.

680
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: I know, I just say, and once it's once, it's out.

681
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: But I'm really you know, that's that's kind of how

682
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: I see it, you know, And I try to I

683
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: try to do what I can to mimic what I

684
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: imagine would be those natural things. And music is a

685
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: great thing for I mean, you talked about working through

686
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: sad stuff, but I would say you you probably agree

687
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: that you're fair happy right now. I think I'm an

688
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: I just don't know if there's ever for me happiness.

689
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's real. Well, let's say this,

690
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: on a given night, you're feeling good, you're feeling happy.

691
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: Have you ever listened to sad music when you're happy? Oh? Yeah,

692
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: that's my favorite music. Listen to what I'm happy And

693
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: some of the happiest people I know love sad long

694
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: some music. And I think music is one of those

695
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: natural things. I don't feel as alone when I listened

696
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: to sad music. And I think that's why most of

697
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: my library, right is that like a BPMO, like to hey,

698
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: one of two of the most powerful words in the

699
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: English language, me too. That's what music is, sad music,

700
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: especially it's Merl Haggard is Merl Haggard because he wrote

701
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: all these great songs saying, yeah, you had a crappy day,

702
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: me too, you're in prison, me too, you're your mom

703
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: and dad, me too. You know it's like, yes, yes,

704
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 1: some I'm with you. That's what That's what music is.

705
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: Somebody's saying I'm with you, man. No. That's why real

706
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: authentic music cuts through too, because then the everyday landscape

707
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: everyone seems so pristine because we have social media, we

708
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: have what everyone's trying to put out there, so we

709
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: don't see what's really happening. We know what's happened with us,

710
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: and we think that this is some sort of anomaly,

711
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: like we have the only crappy stuff happening to us

712
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: because we don't hear about anybody else's, we don't see

713
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 1: about anybody else, and so there isn't that me too.

714
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: Until you get music and you actually here and feel

715
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: the vulnerability of someone and there's happiness me too, And

716
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: I think you have to go happy. I don't know that.

717
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that's such thing as the one through ten.

718
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: And I never say ten and anything. I don't think

719
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: there's a ten. I think I'm probably the best I've

720
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 1: been in a long time. If normal it's a five,

721
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm at a five point one. That's at that point.

722
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: One is a big jump for me, just because again,

723
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: like I think it's a grind forward to prove people's

724
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: expectations right. Yes, yes, not wrong. The people that men

725
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: have many detractors, many that want to see me fail

726
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: because I'm just not the system that's in personal against me.

727
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: But I'm not the system that's been here forever. I

728
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: don't care about them. But it's people that said, hey,

729
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: we have faith in you. Those are the ones that

730
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: you want to prove right. It's other people to prove wrong. Yeah,

731
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: But you know what, even just getting to that point

732
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: is takes most of some people's journeys. We're all on

733
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: the journey. And I mean I would ask this of you,

734
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: Uh is it when you when you don't want to

735
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: say definitively happy, our happiness. Is there some element there

736
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: that for you? I mean, and it's in your mantra

737
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: I means fight, ground, repeat. I mean, is it that

738
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: you're waking up every day going I want to try again,

739
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: I gotta prove it again. Yeah. I have what has

740
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: been called imposter syndrome, where you don't really feel like

741
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: you should be where you are, like you think you're

742
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: you know, eventually you're gonna get caught like I do.

743
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: I feel like I've been robbing, robbing banks for ten

744
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: years and someone's gonna be Okay, you're not really that good,

745
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: so let's go ahead. You've been a fake the whole time.

746
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: I was going to pull you back a bit. I've

747
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: I've felt that too. I've struggled with that too. I

748
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: still do, and I still have my days where I

749
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: really have to you know, I have some routines in

750
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: place to help me with that. But I don't know

751
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: anybody in this town and in the music business who

752
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: doesn't at some point feel imposter syndrome. Because I mean,

753
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: you and I could go to any of the restaurants

754
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: right now and the person who'd come up and pour

755
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: our water is probably a world class singer songwriter chances are,

756
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: you know, and and that can be both a good

757
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: and a bad influence on someone in this town. You know,

758
00:42:52,320 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: do you believe in luck? I believe in Yeah. I

759
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: think there's I mean, I think there's lucky breaks. I

760
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: think there's I mean, I like to call it coinci

761
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: God because it's I think, you know, ah, I mean,

762
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: they say they don't talk politics and religion. I'm just

763
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: gonna say this. I am a Christian, but I'm not

764
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: I don't often identify with the angry yelling I hate

765
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: everybody who isn't like me version of my faith that

766
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: I sometimes see on TV, and that makes me sad. Um.

767
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: But I think that in the way that a twelve

768
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: Step program comes out of the gate saying we believe

769
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: in a higher power, it's not any particular religion that

770
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: they're trying to get at, and they welcome they just

771
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: they the twelve Step program places great importance on believing

772
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: in in a divine hand, believing in something that's sort

773
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: of greater than ourselves. And um, and I think that

774
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: luck is a thing, but I believe it's cousins with

775
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: it's you know, you could say that brothers Osborne are

776
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: lucky but I know knowing John, He's one of the

777
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: first people I met when I moved to town. And

778
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: I know how hard the and TJ have worked, and

779
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: I can make a case for him not being lucky,

780
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: but the but the truth is they've worked really hard

781
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: and some really cool coincidences have also happened, and it

782
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: all adds up to something that one person might call

783
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: luck and one person might just call man. They they

784
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: freaking did it? You know, and and you know both

785
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: are true. Both are true, I think. I mean in

786
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: their case, they know how hard they worked and how

787
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: talented they are. And John's here for at this point,

788
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: and so I didn't know. I was having dinner with

789
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: John somewhat recently, and you guys played together, and I'm

790
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: a fan of both of you guys, and we were

791
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: and I was talking about you, and he was like, yeah, Charlie,

792
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: I used to play together. But and somebody else played

793
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: in that band too. Uh Matt Utterback who plays bass

794
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: for Hunter Hayes, Uh, Donnie fall Gator, Josh Mtheeny. Josh

795
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: is in a band called Steel Union, and so was Donnie.

796
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: And Josh also writes for Curb Uh, Kevin Weaver and

797
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: Kevin is one of my favorite human beings and he's

798
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: played drums for just about everybody. Uh, but yeah, that

799
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: we were all on this band together, and the band

800
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: you and John Osborne in the same band, which is

801
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: just as guitar players like you guys are a different level.

802
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: Oh well I was. I was kind of utility acoustic,

803
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: so I played you were the utility to think about it,

804
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: but I always borrowed John stratocaster his first electric and

805
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: I eventually bought it from him. But let's be honest,

806
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: that's his guitar forever. I'm just holding onto it for

807
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: a while, you know. But yeah, what are you thinking

808
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: about John as a player? Like what comes to mind?

809
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: Style wise? Well, he he built his foundation on the

810
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: true great players, all that go all the way back,

811
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: and he is a master, uh scholar of the true

812
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: original greats. He's not founded on his playing isn't founded

813
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: on something new. It's the new and his playing is

814
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: his own voice. And I think that's what makes him

815
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: really great. And I say what I'm what I'm getting

816
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: at is John is on a path that lands a

817
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 1: guy and Keith Richard's territory or Brian may territory or

818
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: Angus Young or Malcolm Young territory, which goes to say,

819
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: those are all guitar players that you don't have to

820
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: know much about guitar, but you know it's Keith Richards.

821
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: And if you don't know his name, you know it's

822
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: the Rolling Stones because you hear Keith Richards and nobody

823
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: plays guitar like Keith Richards. Are you hearing a C

824
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: D C song and you know that's Anguish Young even

825
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: if you don't know his name, just because the guitar,

826
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: the actual player has such an original voice. And John

827
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 1: is becoming an iconic player. He's not becoming a really

828
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: good player. He was that a long time ago. He's

829
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: becoming John Osborne. You know already their records, You know

830
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: their records not just by TJ's voice, but by his fingers,

831
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: John's fingers, his playing and uh and I mean he's

832
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: been an influence on me. I've always thought of him

833
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: as a big brother because when I showed up in

834
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: the town, he had been in town two or three years,

835
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 1: and and if we had off time or he played

836
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: something that sounds you could be like, oh can you

837
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: show me that? You know. So he's been one of

838
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: my teachers over the years. Um, I couldn't love him

839
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: more as a player or as a human being. You

840
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: and Vince hell have a relationship? Yeah, how did that start? Oh? Man? Uh? Well,

841
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: my parents are big Vince fans and they went to

842
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 1: see him probably ten times when I was a kid,

843
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 1: and ah, and he became quickly became a main influence.

844
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: I call him my north star. And uh, my first

845
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: time to really interact with him, he was playing and

846
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: singing as a guest on my first record, on a

847
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: song called Tools of the Trade. And it wasn't too

848
00:48:44,280 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: long after that that we cross paths again. And oh yeah,

849
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: how did you get vincec you on that song? You know?

850
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 1: The funny thing about that story is that I want

851
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: to say a guy named John Grady h is the one.

852
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: This may be memory failing me, but he's he's old

853
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: friends with Vince and and my my team and I

854
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: were asking around to try to see if he would

855
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 1: do it. And I think it was as simple as

856
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: as me getting Vince's number and John going if it

857
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: wasn't John. What I remember is John said here when

858
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: because they basically somebody gave me Vince's number and said

859
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: call him. So of course I'm thinking, well, this is

860
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: my hero. I'm gonna call my just call him, just

861
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 1: cold call this guy. Okay, sure? And uh and if

862
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: it wasn't John who gave the number, I remember him

863
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: saying he probably won't answer, but I guarantee her call back.

864
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,959
Speaker 1: Like he might not be able to pick up the phone,

865
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: but he'll call you back. He calls, and I've since

866
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: found out that he is a he's a telephone call guy.

867
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: He's not really a Texter, you know. And uh so

868
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: I called Vince and I left the most awkward voicemail

869
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: and the history of voicemails. And next day he calls

870
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: me back and we set up a time and now

871
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm headed to his house to his studio and and

872
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: it and it happens, and you know, time goes by,

873
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 1: and the next thing I remember was getting to uh

874
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: see him at the opry. Uh and then he did

875
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: this really cool thing. You know, anybody that doesn't know,

876
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: if you know Vince, you already know this. But if

877
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: if you don't know Vince, he is the most gracious

878
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: and pay it forward human being in country music period.

879
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: He has always lifting someone up and mentoring someone. It's

880
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 1: guesting on someone's record, and uh, and he decided, rather

881
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: than just go do his normal tour, he would do

882
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: a couple of runs where he brought out Ashton Monroe,

883
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: Jenny Gill and myself and Vince would sing a few

884
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: songs and then we'd each sing a few songs all

885
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: in one show and being a band together. And so then,

886
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of years go by. Now I'm

887
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: on a bus with my hero and sharing the stage

888
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: with him. And I remember Greg Almand came to one

889
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: of the shows and I'm sitting here playing. I'm looking

890
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: over and there's Greg Almand. I'm going, holy crap, you know,

891
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: and uh. And then we just got to know each

892
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: other better and better. And it never quite feels normal

893
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: because he's my hero, but it's comfortable and and he's

894
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: a true mentor and a true friend, and I can

895
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: reach out to him for advice and and he he'll

896
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: call me to do gigs. A couple of weekends ago,

897
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 1: I was out on the road as his guitar player.

898
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: And I guarantee you he does not need he doesn't

899
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: need me to help him on guitar. He doesn't need

900
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: another guitar player. He's good and if he does, you know,

901
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 1: the guys that he normally has in his band or

902
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: world class. But but I think he just has this

903
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: intuition and this desire to find people who are up

904
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: and coming and give them a little boost and give

905
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 1: him some confidence and a leg up. And and does

906
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: that motivate you want to be that person? Absolutely? Absolutely? Uh?

907
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: And And for me, it's it's it's it. It looks different,

908
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: you know, but you know when when I if I'm

909
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: in a room events, he's been a lot further down

910
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: the road than I have. But if I'm in a

911
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: room with kids in a high school who are curious

912
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: about this, then I've been a lot further down the

913
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: road than them, you know. So that's maybe my version

914
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: of it. Or if it's somebody who literally just signed

915
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: up their first record deal or their first pub deal,

916
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: you know. Um And not in a way of hey listening,

917
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: listen here, kid, let me tell you how it is.

918
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: It's just more like, how are you feeling? How are

919
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: you you know, really seeing that person and looking him

920
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: in the eye, and like are you are you? You

921
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: hanging in there? You got any questions? You're good? You're good,

922
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 1: you know, um? And and and I get. Here's the deal, though,

923
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: I get more out of that than anybody. You you

924
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: talk about this in your book because you did the

925
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: scholarship in your hometown, and you were saying, you know

926
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 1: that you almost felt guilty about picking this other than

927
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: instead of some other thing. Oh man, you might have

928
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: heard me, because I was going, what are you talking about?

929
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: Talking out loud to you reading your book. Uh, you

930
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: weren't anywhere near at the moment. You can hear. But

931
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: but it was this thing where no, man, that's exactly

932
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 1: what you should do, because nobody knows that journey better

933
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: than you. If you go to your old high school

934
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: and you see a kid that you helped pick, I mean,

935
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: come on, man, that's and this goes into my theory

936
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: about chopping wood and burying the people down the street.

937
00:53:55,480 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: Is it's natural to want to form low community and

938
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: local even though you're not in Arkansas right now, that's

939
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: still your local community. You grew up in it, you

940
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: know it better than anybody, and so you are uniquely

941
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: able to help. For my whole issue was if, like

942
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: Charlie talking about, was so with me. When I would

943
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: find things to help, I would start to feel guilty

944
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: because I was only helping things that kind of helped me,

945
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: And so there was a lot of I'm only doing

946
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: this because this certain X helped me whenever I was

947
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 1: a kid. You know, I I helped kids get glasses

948
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: and see because I needed help to see when I

949
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: was a kid. So there was this guilt that came

950
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: along with that, like I'm only helping me, and I

951
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: still struggle with that. It's like, why am I only

952
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: helping I go to hospitals, I do musicians on called.

953
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: I was in the hospital for a long time as

954
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: a kid. Yeah, and so it's like I think I wrote,

955
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: why don't I just help birds? You know, I've never

956
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: not affected by any birds. Why don't I just help

957
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: birds that are strong link to live? It's it's a

958
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: it's a weird thing to feel selfish from giving, and

959
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 1: there's that there's a guilt behind it. But yeah, that's

960
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: for me. That's a struggle for me. I wish it weren't.

961
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 1: I know what you mean, But the way I see

962
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: it is that you're doing exactly what you should do.

963
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: That's I mean, it'd be it'd be like we're sitting

964
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: here talking about how great events is for giving young

965
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:30,919
Speaker 1: singers and songwriters a leg up. It wouldn't quite make

966
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: sense if all of a sudden everything he did had

967
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: something to do with vaccinations in this remote corner of

968
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: the world, because you're thinking, well, events and I don't.

969
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: I don't get it. You know, he's he he has

970
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: this god given talent, and while he's used it in

971
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: many ways that are amazing, and writing songs like go

972
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: rest Town on that Mountain and the songs he's written

973
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: in tribute to Merle Haggard and George Jones and his

974
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: father and have help so many people that to me

975
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: is one of the best ways to use your talent.

976
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: It's also not a bad way to use your talent

977
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: to just go make cool records period, even if all

978
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: they're really If if one particular record is I feel

979
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 1: good and I want to tune out the world, awesome,

980
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: that still is using your talent for a positive thing.

981
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 1: But I think that the greatest use of the talent

982
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: is to take that expertise and and fold it back

983
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 1: into itself with someone else, which is what you do

984
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: with this stuff in your hometown because it's what you know.

985
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: You can sit at that hospital bedside and late to

986
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: the person in it better, the kid in it better

987
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: because you've you've been there, the way that Vince can

988
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: sit on a bus with me and encourage me at

989
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: two in the morning going down the highway to the

990
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: next gig because he's been in my shoes and that's

991
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: and so for me too. It's sort of like if

992
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: I do something, if I go to Berkeley and I

993
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: speak to Berkeley students, that's the best use of my

994
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: talent to do something charitable, you know, because I've been there.

995
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: When you see guys like John Mayer, who is my

996
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: favorite artist, Yeah, is he at a level it's so

997
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: much higher than these other players that you see a

998
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: right Like, is he, in your mind the best artist

999
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: player out there now? He is one of my favorites.

1000
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: I gravitate to his songwriting as much as anything, but

1001
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: that's not to discount as playing. And and I was

1002
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: watching an interview I've also geeked out on all the

1003
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: interviews he's ever done, and he was saying something about

1004
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: his time at Berkeley, and he was looking at the

1005
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: players around them, the other students, and they could do

1006
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: all this little stuff. And he was sharing in the

1007
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: interview that he had this inner dialogue with himself. Wow,

1008
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: I could sit I could go learn these things and

1009
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: play like this and probably played a ten twenty people max,

1010
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: you know. Or I can take this knowledge and channel

1011
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: it into a way that I can play for you know,

1012
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: millions of people. And he's certainly to me for my

1013
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: whatever bet I would place is that he's definitely in

1014
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: his class as in high school class of artists. The

1015
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: best bet too, as a player really become an iconic player.

1016
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: People buy John Mayer records because of his guitar playing.

1017
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: People by certain guitar pedals and certain guitars and models

1018
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: of guitars because of John Mayer. So yeah, I mean

1019
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: I think that proves that to be true. And but

1020
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: the same is true of Ed Shearing, and Ed's playing

1021
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: is totally different. You can compare Ed and John. Uh,

1022
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: they're they're apples and oranges, you know. But John is certainly,

1023
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: in my book, yeah, one of the best to me.

1024
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,439
Speaker 1: You know, when you have guys like you know, BB King,

1025
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: or you could go down the list and they and

1026
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: and he's the only guy in by that they can

1027
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: play with them, that's right. I mean, Derek Trucks does

1028
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: it too, you know. But but I don't know. There's

1029
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: actually a little older than Mayor though maybe so you know,

1030
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, Hey Google, um, but you know he's

1031
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: he's turning on a whole different audience. Then I'm not

1032
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: a whole different audience. Um. And and here's the thing.

1033
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: We're at least thirty years away from seeing if either

1034
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: of them reach BB King or Earl Scrug status. And

1035
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: by that, I just mean I'm sorry man, that probably

1036
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: nobody since BB King has inspired were people to pick

1037
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: up a guitar. Have you listened away to a John

1038
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: Mayor and stuff? I haven't. I saw it and and

1039
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: I grabbed it, and I have not made time to

1040
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: listen to it. I don't want to halfway listen to it.

1041
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: It's funny to hear the little baby King shout out.

1042
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: He throws in, Yeah, Mike College is guy's younger than

1043
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: John here? That's crazy. You know what he doesn't have

1044
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: that he doesn't have the pop lineage to be on

1045
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: the radio. And that's where that's what makes John and

1046
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: unique animals his it's his songwriting sensibility and his playing

1047
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: and his singing. And he also still lacks fifteen So yeah,

1048
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: maybe that's why I was like he's young. It's funny,

1049
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: he's he's come to Berkeley before. He came to Berkeley

1050
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: when I was there and spoke and it was great.

1051
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: And and he's even said things at times that contradict

1052
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: investing in social media. Don't don't worry about that, just

1053
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: get good. And that's true. I think I think that

1054
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: was right for him to say, maybe to the audience

1055
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: at the time, but you have to you can't deny

1056
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: that he is a very savvy social media and he

1057
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: knows he knows what he's doing. So you look around

1058
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: now and then I want to get back to the

1059
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: your record in a few minutes. But if you look

1060
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: around now in Nashville, like, who do you see artist wise?

1061
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,479
Speaker 1: Player wise, We're like, okay, that's cool, that's cool. Maybe

1062
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: even people will know him. I mean I have questioned

1063
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: asking you're not forgetting anybody, but who comes to mind?

1064
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: You look around, you go, okay, maybe that hasn't popped

1065
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: quite yet, and I can see something there. Well, I

1066
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: was gonna say John Osborne and the Brothers, but um,

1067
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: people are starting to know about them, and and do

1068
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: you know about them? Uh? This is tough because it

1069
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: isn't on the spot. I mean, Emily, he's doing it

1070
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:55,959
Speaker 1: because we got nowhere to go. Yeah, well, I love

1071
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say names, and this doesn't necessarily have

1072
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: bearing on how popular and are known or unknown they are.

1073
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: These are people I love that I will go out

1074
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: of my way to go see Uh the time Jumpers

1075
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: with Vents, but also Andy Reese. And Andy is not

1076
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: in his thirties and he's not gonna go be a

1077
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: pop star anytime soon, but he's just one of the

1078
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,439
Speaker 1: best there is and the that same is true Paul

1079
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: Franklin on Steele Uh anytime. And also in this category

1080
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: of I'm not talking about up and coming, it hasn't

1081
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: hit yet. It's just they've chosen a path where if

1082
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 1: you know, you know, and if you don't, whatever, they

1083
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: they're already well into their career. But Shawn camp when

1084
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: he plays at the station end, Jack Pearson when he

1085
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: plays at the station in or third and Lensley, he

1086
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: UH is a big influence on Derek Trucks. Actually, anytime

1087
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: Derek plays in town, Jack Pearson comes out and he

1088
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: plays like a cheap guitar through a cheap aunt with

1089
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: one pedal and a busted cable and he sounds better

1090
01:02:56,120 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: than anybody. And uh and eighteen South, which is John

1091
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: Randall and Jesse Alexander and Guthrie Trapp is in that band.

1092
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: Another friend from Berkeley, and I even knew him from Mississippi.

1093
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: He's got family Mississippi and I knew him when he

1094
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: was thirteen and I was seventeen or whatever. But Johnny Duke,

1095
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: and he's been on stage with Ashton Monroe and LeAnn

1096
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: Wilmack and on record with a little Big Town. He'll

1097
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: play a show here and there. Brent Cobb, who put

1098
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: a great record out last year and has written songs

1099
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: for folks. I've written songs songs on my new record

1100
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:37,959
Speaker 1: with him, and uh, man, it's so funny. It's hard

1101
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 1: to say because I spent so much in my time

1102
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: and energy seeking out people who and this is probably

1103
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: to a fault. I should look more for the new thing,

1104
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: but I kind of make a habit out of trying

1105
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: to go find the old masters. There is no right

1106
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: or wrong answer, Charlie, but no that, but this is true.

1107
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: Like I I wouldn't be the best person to ask

1108
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: because I'm not looking for that, you know, I'm looking Uh,

1109
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking for I mean I've had the chance to

1110
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: write with um uh oh am, I spacing on his names.

1111
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: Two guys now, all right, mac Davis and Bill Anderson.

1112
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: Mac Davis wrote in the Ghetto by himself pretty much. Ah.

1113
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: I mean, Bill Anderson has had a hit in every

1114
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: decade since the fifties. And it's not like I'm gonna

1115
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: get with these guys and We're gonna create the new

1116
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: hit of the century. Necessarily. It's that I know, if

1117
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: I sit across the room from those guys, I'm gonna

1118
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 1: pick up more ah, then I can with anybody else.

1119
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: Do you ever feel like you were born in the

1120
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: wrong generation? I have at times. I have at times,

1121
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: but I don't think so. I think I'm born at

1122
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: the right time, you know, I don't. I don't know

1123
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: that they're there are as many like me, like minded,

1124
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: you know, in in some of some of the regards.

1125
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: But um, no, I think I was supposed to be

1126
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: here now. You know, I don't know dent why yet,

1127
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: But I think I'm supposed to be here. Now. Do

1128
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: you think we ever know why? Um? Maybe not. I

1129
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: need to answer right now. I need to know myself.

1130
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: You know. I think I think we spend a lot

1131
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: of our time trying to figure that one out. And

1132
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: some of us maybe get there, and some of us don't,

1133
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: you know, play this song here Southern by the grace

1134
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: of guy, I'm telling y'all, it's still ConTroll. It's stuff

1135
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: to me, like the record here countries just country goes

1136
01:05:55,480 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: and can't country me? Hey tell that song, oh man,

1137
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 1: I wrote that in uh at Luke Dick's house with

1138
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: Luke and Chaine McNally, and uh, it's uh, there's a

1139
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: great old Tom T. Hall song called country Is, and

1140
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: it's sort of it was Tom T. Hall's way of

1141
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: he was here in Nashville at a time when a

1142
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: lot of people were writing a particular kind of song

1143
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: and up in arms about what's country and what isn't? Yeah,

1144
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: almost like almost like and uh and I think that

1145
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: song is my version of going, hey, guys, look, I Uh,

1146
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 1: my uncle cuts his hair with dogs. Shears once crapped

1147
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: my pants at a banjo competition when I was not

1148
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: the not the one I won. This was the actual

1149
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,959
Speaker 1: national banjo competition. Uh, when I was like twelve or whatever.

1150
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: Her and you came out country me, you came out

1151
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 1: of country that man I'm sorry, you know, or whatever,

1152
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: but it's just like just to say. But equally country

1153
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: is the guy who grew up in inner city Chicago

1154
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: and it's just doing his thing or whatever, you know,

1155
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 1: and it's like, are we really going to arm wrestle

1156
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: about this, you know, like we can we can waste

1157
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 1: our energy, you know, but this, this is I grew

1158
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 1: up and and the music side of that song reminds

1159
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: me less of country music, uh and more of everything else.

1160
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: For example, it feels very led Zeppelin to me. Um,

1161
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: which is the song ramble On by Them was an

1162
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: influence on on that. But then it also stuff that

1163
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 1: predates what we consider country. The he he that's straight

1164
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: rip off of a guy named Jimmy Martin who is

1165
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: known as the King of bluegrass. And I'm a big

1166
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 1: Jimmy Martin fan because when I took banjo lessons to

1167
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: my teacher, happened to be his banjo players, a sunny

1168
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 1: mountain boy that was what he called his man guys.

1169
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: And so it's sort of like that's my version of

1170
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 1: what Tom t Hall I think was saying, which is

1171
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: countries what you make it. It's all in your mind,

1172
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 1: it's all in your heart, it's living in the city,

1173
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:18,759
Speaker 1: it's living in the country, it's it's loving your neighbor.

1174
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 1: And you know, it's just let's can can we please

1175
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:27,879
Speaker 1: get past arm wrestling this and just speak our truths?

1176
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. Does that make sense? It does? I

1177
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 1: tell it all the time. People tell me all the time.

1178
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: What isn't isn't? Yeah, and there there isn't an answer right,

1179
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 1: especially now, so you can yell and get on Facebook

1180
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 1: and tell me what song sucks and what song is

1181
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: real country? And oh, you're just wasting both of our time,

1182
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: right I get time to read it. I definitely don't

1183
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: want to respond to it anymore. So and that's country about.

1184
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: That's that's my country. And if you like it cool

1185
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,759
Speaker 1: and if you don't cool, you know, I don't know. Shoot,

1186
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: let's let's go jam more. Do you see like music

1187
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,719
Speaker 1: and color or anything like? Because I mean, you're such

1188
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: a good guitar player and you can like play like

1189
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: songs where you're like doing a whole one man band.

1190
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: You have like a thing in your head where you're like,

1191
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: it's so weird you ask that because I kind of do.

1192
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like a crazy strong thing and

1193
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: I think this goes back to I had a when

1194
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: I was first learning, had a keyboard and the keys

1195
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: were color coded, and I think that's why I associate colors,

1196
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: and because I learned on piano. So the key of

1197
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 1: F is purple to me, and the key of G

1198
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: is blue, and the key of A is red, and

1199
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: B flat is kind of orange, B is kind of yellow,

1200
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 1: C is white, D is black, he's green. I can't

1201
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:52,759
Speaker 1: think it's from the keyboard because Mayor says he sees

1202
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,759
Speaker 1: colors on he plays, but he does have a keyboard.

1203
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: Do you really think it's colors? Are is? It's something

1204
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: you guys brain, because you're you're definitely on the neck.

1205
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: You're you're like talking to alien because you see things

1206
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: that I've never seen. Like I'm on the earth, I

1207
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 1: walk on the earthly ground. I see things that my

1208
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: eyes let me see up and down. But that's it.

1209
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 1: You're on another headspace. I don't know that I see

1210
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: it when I play, but if i'm and if i'm

1211
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,440
Speaker 1: charting a song or i'm living a song and a key,

1212
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 1: I just I feel it. You know, I'm definitely thinking

1213
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 1: about other things when I'm playing, or trying not to

1214
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:27,640
Speaker 1: think that's what I'm mostly doing, is trying to just

1215
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 1: feeling up. But when I'm really just feeling it, like I,

1216
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: you couldn't play me a song and a random key

1217
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 1: and I'd go, oh, yeah, that's purple, and it's purple

1218
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 1: because it's F. I don't have perfect pitch to be

1219
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 1: able to say that's the key of F, you know.

1220
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: But I know ramble on Bys that led Zeppelin, and

1221
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 1: I've learned to play it and it's an E and

1222
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: it does feel kind of green to me. I don't

1223
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: know why. Yeah, that's crazy. So record comes out when

1224
01:10:55,479 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 1: April one. What do you want from this record? And

1225
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: how's it difference what you want to last record? Man,

1226
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things I want, but I know

1227
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: now I don't need let me say that. And there

1228
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 1: are things I hope for. There's three categories. Are things

1229
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:16,679
Speaker 1: I hope for, and I hope for the same things

1230
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 1: we all do, you know, wild success and blah blah blah.

1231
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 1: I want two get to keep doing this and somehow

1232
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 1: be a little further down the road, you know. And

1233
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 1: I need I just needed to make it, and I

1234
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 1: got to make it, and people are gonna get to

1235
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 1: hear it, and I don't think there's anything I need

1236
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,879
Speaker 1: from it, um, but to get to keep doing it

1237
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:52,759
Speaker 1: is a pretty strong want, you know too, whatever that means.

1238
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 1: If it just means that, you know, m I labeled

1239
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,799
Speaker 1: it and drop me and and they offer me another option,

1240
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 1: and I'm somehow able to make a living doing this

1241
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 1: still and it doesn't you know, it's not something that

1242
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:09,599
Speaker 1: just knocks me flat, you know, Uh, for whatever reason,

1243
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 1: then that would be a great thing. And I want

1244
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 1: that with this record. I mean, I want people to

1245
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 1: hear it and and I hope they connect with it,

1246
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 1: and I have the wild dreams with it, but those

1247
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 1: are not what's important. You know, you and Brandy Clark

1248
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 1: going out, Yeah, something like that. Yeah, we may add

1249
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 1: some more. We met about it last week and um,

1250
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 1: we're we got a lot of fun ideas. We're we're

1251
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 1: cooking up some fun stuff. So so you and Brandy

1252
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:48,799
Speaker 1: could like separate well, yeah, we're gonna play separate sets

1253
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: and then do some stuff together. I'm not quite sure

1254
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 1: yet how that looks, um. I know we want to

1255
01:12:56,120 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: do some fun songs together, maybe bring the the audience

1256
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: in on via social media to help us pick some

1257
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 1: of those songs. If it's different songs every night. We

1258
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 1: don't want it to be the exact same show every

1259
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 1: night for sure, you know. Ah, And I think we're

1260
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: gonna do some fun stuff during the day as well.

1261
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's this really cool thing that the

1262
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 1: Grammy Foundation does where they bring high school kids in

1263
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:21,600
Speaker 1: for your sound check and things like that. And I

1264
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 1: don't know if we'll what what will get worked out

1265
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 1: and what want, but we want to do stuff like

1266
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: that too. And um, we'd really love to take this

1267
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 1: to more cities, you know, if if this is successful

1268
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 1: and there's a demand for it, we'd we'd love to

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Speaker 1: keep rolling down the highway. Well, I'm a fan. I'm

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Speaker 1: a genuine fan. Thanks man. Likewise, so you know, I

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01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 1: hope you get whatever film that you get out of

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Speaker 1: this record, I hope you get it. Thank you. If

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01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,600
Speaker 1: it means a bunch of sold if it means you

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01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 1: know you're happy with all the songs are on, I

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01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what you find where do

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01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:58,719
Speaker 1: you find your happiness, but I hope you find it. Yeah,

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01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: thank you. Well, getting to May it was the big one,

1278
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: that's the big happiness, and it would be nice to

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01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 1: buy a house. But you know, I got a cool place,

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01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 1: I got a doll I'm all right, uh and really, man,

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01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: just getting to keep doing it. Not a lot of

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01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 1: people get to do this, and I'm I'm really grateful

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01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 1: I get to do it. And I'm a fan of yours. Uh,

1284
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 1: your book really knocked me out, man. I appreciate that.

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01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 1: I was a fan before, but you know, it's just

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01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 1: knowing your story and it's not an easy story to tell.

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01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 1: And I think we all have a story, and we

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01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 1: all have a similar story. It's just we don't see

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01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 1: those stories because again, all we're seeing is the very

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01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 1: epidermist of what everybody wants us to see. And I

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01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: think I after this. Before that, I always felt that

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01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:53,560
Speaker 1: I was writing and I was the only one that

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01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 1: had that story until I wrote it and put it out.

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01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 1: Then I realized everybody has something like that and they

1295
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 1: come and talk to you about it, like just X

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01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 1: Y Z A, B C, D E f G has

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01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 1: happened to me? And holy crap, when I wrote that,

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01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: I thought I was alone, Like I thought I was

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01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 1: alone in this world when I wrote that. Yeah, and

1300
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 1: so yeah, that, if anything, that book has done so

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01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: much for me because I realized I'm not the only

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01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 1: guy on the planet that has struggles the old meat too. Yeah,

1303
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 1: even what is it, page four or five years in

1304
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:22,560
Speaker 1: there with Dean Sanders and is going to me to

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01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: man and that and still like my dude Dion Sanders,

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01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 1: who I looked up to as a kid prime time,

1307
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 1: like Dean, he'll just text me and like you're good. Still,

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01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is Deon and if I don't text

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01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: the back, I'll get mad. He's like, I know you're

1310
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 1: watching your phone, but yeah, it's it's one of those wild,

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01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: wild things. It's it's been good to have you with

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Speaker 1: the house. Thanks for having I appreciate you coming. And

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01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 1: not the record. Whenever you hear this either it's the

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01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: records already out and just be able. But when these

1315
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: podcasts are listened to it for months years, that's probably

1316
01:15:54,960 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 1: putting the Smithsonian. Yeah yeah, so um, you could be

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01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 1: in your tenth record right now, but go back to

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01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 1: this one, all right, And what's the name of the record,

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01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: Beginning of Things, Beginning of Things. So that's the record

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01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 1: to go back to. He's talking about here the other

1321
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 1: five Grammy Award winning records. Afterwards, don't go back to

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01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,599
Speaker 1: this one that started off alright, Charlie, good to see

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Speaker 1: you alright, episode thirty nine, and uh, I feel like

1324
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 1: I was trying, like eighty bucks for day every session.

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01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 1: No man, I'll pay, I'll pay you all the way out.

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01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 1: Just let me have a copy of that game show me,

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01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:33,640
Speaker 1: Charlie Warsham download cut your groove. You know. I was

1328
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 1: also tempted, but I didn't because I have the whole

1329
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 1: record and I never get to I never take records

1330
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 1: from anybody and listen to them ever, It's just my

1331
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 1: general rule. I listening to record like four times, and

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01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 1: I was like, I wander I put up and I

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01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: didn't hadn't put up any clips with anything new. I

1334
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I'm gonna know what's over now,

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01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 1: So I didn't. But it's just really good, Like I

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01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 1: really like the record. I don't even talk about anymore

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01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 1: because any now. Yeah, it all right, Uh well, we'll

1338
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 1: see you next time. The thirty nine is over all right,

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Speaker 1: good bye,