1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Dear Governor is a production of I Heart Media and 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: three Months Media. If you are moved by Jarvis Master's 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: story and would like to support his cause, visit free 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: Jarvis dot org slash podcast to sign your name to 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: an open letter to California Governor Gavin Newsom. Dear Governor Newsom, 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: Dear Mr Governor Newsom. This is an open letter to 7 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: Governor Gavin Newsom, Dear Governor Newson. The year the Compact 8 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: diss was introduced, The year New Coke was launched, The 9 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: year the UNI bomber killed his first victim, and too 10 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,959 Speaker 1: much less fanfare or infamy. The year Jarvis J. Masters 11 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: was charged with conspiracy to commit murder of a corrections officer. 12 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: This story ran in the Los Angeles Times December three 13 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: of nineteen. Three inmates have been charged in the death 14 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: of a San Quentin prison guard who was killed with 15 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: a makeshift spear last summer. The Marine County District Attorney's 16 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: Office said. A spokesman said Andre Johnson twenty one, Jarvis J. 17 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: Masters twenty three, and Lawrence Woodard thirty nine have been 18 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: charged for conspiracy and murder with special circumstances in the 19 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: death of Sergeant Howell Dean Birchfield. We're all convicted for 20 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: conspiracy to commit murder. Johnson was committed for sugety of 21 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: conspiracy commit murder and the factual murder of original guard 22 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: where was convicted of conspiracy commit murder, but as the 23 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: leader of planning the murder, which wrote special circumstances to 24 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: him because he planned it, it was his orders, so 25 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: he was convicted of that. When I was convicted of 26 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: conspiracy and of sear bringing the weapon, and they never 27 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: kept that weapon because they never found Jervis Masters, Andre Johnson, 28 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: and Lawrence would were tried simultaneously before two separate juries, 29 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: one for Masters and Wordard and the other for Johnson. 30 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,119 Speaker 1: Were you seated by your attorneys? You? I have two 31 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: of them. I had Jeffrey wrote Wine on the right 32 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: and Michael Satus on the other side, and we became 33 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: very very close. They understood my predicament and honestly were 34 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: kind of stuff I was into where how stuck I 35 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: am in this situation? And they said that the only 36 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: way we can get you off of this man is 37 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: that you have to tell your truth, and your truth 38 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: is going to get a lot of people in trouble. 39 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I said no, I seem like the 40 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: gas chamber is a lot further away than exercise, are 41 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: you know? So I said, no, that's not me. You 42 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: can't go snitch. You know, people that they committed murder. 43 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: They'll kill you right there on that entercise, right there, 44 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: you're dead. In prison vernacular, snitches rats informants refer to 45 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: inmates who cooperate with prison personnel by furnishing damaging information 46 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: about other inmates, often in exchange for lighter sentences or 47 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: some sort of payback monetary or otherwise allow One pair 48 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: of notorious snitches in Orange County, California, who were rewarded 49 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: with almost limitless taco bell runs for their information, I 50 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: asked former San Quentin Warden Daniel Vasquez, what would have 51 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: happened if Jarvis were to cooperate with the police and 52 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: snitch on his fellow inmates. They would they would retaliate 53 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: against you and your family. They would kill you if 54 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: they got that opportunity, or or killed your some of 55 00:03:54,880 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: your family as well. Attorney, they will be there being 56 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: threatened by the game members. They were being threatened. Yeah, 57 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: they were being threatened, you know. They reported it. They 58 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: went into the back room and reported it. I don't 59 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: know they did, but they did Mum saying that they 60 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: couldn't represent me because they feel threatened, and that they 61 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: will to represent me in an individual case without being 62 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: connected to nobody. It's me by myself and they wouldn't 63 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: do that. I asked Michael Satris, one of Jarvis's attorneys 64 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: during the murder trial, if he remembered threats made to 65 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: the defense team. We had a whole hearing and everything 66 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: about that where I think somebody was tape recording woods 67 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: and would had made some threats to us. They would 68 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: been sealed the hearing with it because I think we 69 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: made a motion to withdraw or something because hey, we're 70 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: in a conflict now. Yeah, remembers that, Yeah, And so 71 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: there was all motion around that where all the evidence 72 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:19,799 Speaker 1: of the threat and everything that the tape recording thing was. 73 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: It was a matter of record. And then we because 74 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: it had to do with the attorney client relationship that 75 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: nobody else had an interest in, we had a sealed 76 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: hearing where we talked about it with the judge. I 77 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: think I start finding out Alice in trouble when I 78 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: knew I felt trapped. I knew that I knew that 79 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: I needed to tell the story about me. If I 80 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: didn't tell a story about me, and if I did 81 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: show a story about me, it was definitely gonna implicrate there. 82 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, Okay, if this goes any further, I'm 83 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: not gonna be able to get out of this, you know, 84 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: because if I try to get out of it, then 85 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: if ilicate is going to implicate other people. And I'm saying, 86 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: oh my god, yeah, this is this is not good here. 87 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: You know this is not good. And I still thought 88 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: up until I saw the d A making his case, 89 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: he was finding things out that I never knew existed. 90 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: And I'm looking at everybody saying, you know what's going 91 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: on here? And people were saying, man, this is none 92 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: of your business. You know, this is none they you know, 93 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: it's not you. They just trying to keep you here 94 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: to snitch on other people. That's the only reason why 95 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: they got you here, manage, because they got to use 96 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: you to fetch all other people. So don't you worry 97 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: about it. I always thought I was thinking out. I 98 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: really did. One major misconception about the death penalty is 99 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: that it's a cost effective measure to get rid of 100 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: the worst of the worst, Kill him quick and be 101 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: through with it. Why waste our precious tax dollars to 102 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: permit violent criminals to live out their natural lives in 103 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: prison when the average execution costs less than a thousand dollars. 104 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: But the truth of the matter is that it's far 105 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: less expensive to imprison people for life without parole and 106 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: execute them. The arduous legal process costs more tax dollars, 107 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: to the tune of seven hundred thousand to a million 108 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: dollars to execute someone. The reason for this disparity is 109 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: due to a bunch of factors. The state often pays 110 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: expenses for both the prosecution and defense. Then there's the 111 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: exorbitant costs associated with pre trial and trial of capital cases, 112 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: more investigative costs, the cost of court personnel for protracted cases. 113 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: It's even more expensive to house capital defendants as they 114 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: await their final goodbye. According to one study in two 115 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: thousand nine, the average cost of keeping a death row 116 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: inmate in prison during this lengthy process was forty seven 117 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: thousand dollars per year, and as much as ninety dollars 118 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: To put that in perspective. Jarvis was sentenced to death 119 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: on July three, that equates to millions of California tax 120 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: dollars for just one of the more than seven thirty 121 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: inmates on death row. Now, though Jarvis is a bit 122 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: of an anomaly and that the average stay on death 123 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: row prior to execution or exoneration is a mere fifteen years, 124 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: but the math adds up to billions up next. Stanford 125 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: Law professor Larry Marshall on the litany of failings in 126 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: our capital punishment system, above and beyond the excessive costs. 127 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: Stanford Law professor and informal advisor for Jervis's next appeal, 128 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: Larry Marshall on our country's broken capital punishment system. The 129 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: issue of arbitrary nous, the issue of, beyond the racial part, 130 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: who gets death and who doesn't is, as was called 131 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: by the Supreme Court back in the seventies, a strike 132 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: of lightning. And it seems terribly, terribly unsustainable to say 133 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: that we are going to have that randomness in deciding 134 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: who will live and who will die. Jail house informants, 135 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: how many cases do we need to see? How many 136 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: scandals do we need to see? Until it's recognized that 137 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: this is not a trustworthy form of evidence. These are 138 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: people who are selling their testimony to the highest bidder, 139 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: and sort of the issue that has become the dominant 140 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: one in conversation about the death penalty arises. And I 141 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: left it for last in my list intentionally because I 142 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: don't want to make it sound like it's the only 143 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: problem with the death penalty. But it's a huge, significant problem, 144 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: and that is the problem of innocence. That we have 145 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: come to learn in the past couple of decades that 146 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: the confidence that we used to have in our criminal 147 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 1: justice system is unfounded. That as hard as we try, 148 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: and this goes for capital punishment, non capital punishment, as 149 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: hard as we try, profound errors are inevitable. That eyewitnesses, 150 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: who we used to think were the gold standard of evidence, 151 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: make terrible mistakes. Innocent mistakes, good faith mistakes, but they 152 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: make mistakes. And we know this because we can study 153 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: that in laboratories, and we know that that's particularly true 154 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: when you're talking about cross racial identification. We know that 155 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: what we used to think was the case, which was 156 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: that if somebody confess a crime, they must have done it, 157 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: we now know from case after case after case that 158 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: that simply is not true. That people scores hundreds of 159 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: people have confessed to terrible crimes that we now know 160 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: they did not commit. Why did they confess, Well, often 161 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: it's because they were subject to deep emotional uh psychological 162 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: interrogation that led them to do that, perhaps because they 163 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: thought they were going to be framed and the only 164 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: way to avoid the harsher penalty would be to confess 165 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: to the to to confess and hopefully get a deal 166 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: through that. Some people, as I said, have mental illness 167 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: that leads them to confess. But the idea that you 168 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't say you did it unless you did it has 169 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 1: now been discarded. There's no it's false. I know that 170 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: that was the last case they heard on the pilly 171 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: faced portion of it, and they gave me the death killty. 172 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: Everybody thought I wasn't gonna get the death pilty because 173 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 1: those guys didn't get it. How in the world can 174 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: Jarvis get it? And he told you to was a 175 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: sharper new weapon. Why do you think you got it? 176 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: There's a legal explanation for it, and there's my explanation 177 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: for it. I think illegal explanation holds work around. Though. 178 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: My old thing was that I didn't defend myself. I 179 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: did not defend myself. I did not say where I 180 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: was two weeks before that happened. I did not explain 181 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: my activities, and I didn't do any of that, and 182 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: I tied my best. Nothing that my attorney to do it. 183 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: It was not my case, it was it was their case. 184 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: It was not my case. I didn't have to not 185 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: to worry about that's their stuff. Why would I worry 186 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: about this? This don't happen them to do with me. 187 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: These guys are in trouble, not me. How was my anitude? Uh? 188 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: Now their explanation is this that this jury became a 189 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: professional jury. They use the word professional jury because when 190 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: you first get jewels and they get elected, they fresh, 191 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: they knew they are being guided by instructions. They're asked 192 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: to listen to the evidence, and the evidence is how 193 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: they come to some conclusion. But you educate them, you 194 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: tell them the case, you explain what's going on, and 195 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: how long they're gonna be there. I mean, they just 196 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: so new. I mean they come from their jobs to 197 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: be here instead in a murder trial. Okay, when they 198 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: came down the woodard being sentenced, they didn't know how 199 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: to do it. They argue, amongst themselves. They got into 200 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: these personal conflicts. They never was gonna give him the 201 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: death pend. They was a hung jury once twice, I 202 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: think was two hung juries. They just didn't get along 203 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: and they were not you know, it became more out 204 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: of you know, you disrespected me and you wanted me 205 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: to vote this way. I'm not vote. You know. It 206 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: was one of those things. So when it came to me, 207 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: they all said, okay, and this is really how it 208 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: happened to let's get along, let's stop fighting, and it 209 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: would go faster blah blah blah. So now they became professionals. 210 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: They learned how to vote to execute somebody. They did 211 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: it the right way. They didn't fight, They listened. They 212 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: were more listening to each other. They were expecting each 213 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: other's opinions, and by the time they took the vote, 214 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: they all were on the same page. They became professionals. 215 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: They learned how to kill somebody, and that's not the 216 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: kind of jury you want. Yeah, that's what happened before 217 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: the penalty page. Do you remember the moment when you 218 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: heard the jury come back and say guilty, Yeah, I did, 219 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: I did, I did. I remember all the guards there 220 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: was something about you can hear this chuckle. I finding, yes, 221 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: we got him. They were keeping themselves composed, but you know, 222 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: they all you can hear this constant chuckle of their 223 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: keys and belts and leather stuff. They all moved at 224 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: the same time, all over the courtroom, you know. So 225 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: it became real. It became real. It became real earlier that. 226 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: But then it was like, okay, all right, Jay just 227 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: found me guilty. Then when they went to the sentence phase, 228 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: you came back and do you remember what they said? 229 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: Did the jury stand up and the foreman tell you 230 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: what you were sentenced to? Yeah, they say, we recommend 231 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: death something like that. This is gonna be crazy here. Yeah. Yeah, 232 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: I was really messed up after that. I was really 233 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: that was really messed up. I probably didn't show it, 234 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: but um well they asked me to, and I looked 235 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: in at magazine. I've seen that that book they had 236 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: for Free Life and Relationship to Death. And then he 237 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: really get this book, man, you know, and that's that's 238 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: started a whole another chapter of my life. Prior to 239 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: being implicated in the capital crime, Jarvis remembers watching condemned 240 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: prisoners walked by his cell and wondering what it would 241 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: be like to walk in those ill fitted shoes for years. 242 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: You know, I I was not on Death Row, but 243 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: I was a saying Quentin, and I watched Death Row 244 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: walk by myself many times because they were on the 245 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: fifth tier and I was down on the fourth tier, 246 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: and so they were around me. And then I end 247 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: up getting it and it was just like, this is 248 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: not real. You know. You know how many times I 249 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: walked across Death Row and I looked that people and 250 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: they just looked like they were cattle or something. And 251 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: I felt really bad because they were on death Road, 252 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: and they always wanted to know what that feel like 253 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: at night. The only thing that made the kind of 254 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: light was that they have to go nowhere. You know. 255 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: I was in the same sale uh new people all 256 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: up and down the chier. You know, I had been 257 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: there a couple of years, so they didn't take me 258 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: to this new unit or anything like that. You know, 259 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: it kept me right where I was, So I just 260 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: came back with a new sentence. Sentenced to death. Jarvis 261 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: began writing about life on death Row early into a sentence. 262 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: One person who he credits for teaching him and motivating 263 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: him to write about his ordeal. Is Buddhist writer and teacher. 264 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: Susan Moon is someone I've been known for a long time, 265 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: and she's a writer, and she's the editor of Turning 266 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: Will that I got published in so many times when 267 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: she visited me, I used to always learned from her plan. 268 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: When I finally got that Bird has My Wings gun, 269 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: she helped from the first page to the end. It 270 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: was with Susan's guidance in that Jarvis won the prestigious 271 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: Pen Literary Award for his unnerving poem entitled Recipe for 272 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: Prison and Pruno. Pruno, incidentally, is homemade fruit based fermented 273 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: prison alcohol, also referred to as hooch rescue for pruno. 274 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: Suthan Moose says, you know what, General, sucust do something. 275 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: Let me write something and you write something that goes 276 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: in between, and see what it sounds like. And I said, 277 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 1: all right, let's do it. So when I went back 278 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: to myself a few days later, I had got the 279 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: order the transcripts that issued my death one, and I 280 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: was looking at this and I was saying, wow, you 281 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: know these people got every sentence serious as hell. I said, wow, 282 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: this is right. You know you will be put onto this. 283 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: You will remain as saying Quentin until you put the death. 284 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, and this is James Cagney type movie stuff, 285 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: you know. So I looked at it and looked at it, 286 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: and at the same time, I had a big old 287 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: batch of puno under the bed. You know, it was 288 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: ready to So I looked at both them and I said, 289 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: you know what I will see if I can write 290 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: the same thing. Susan showed me how to do it right. 291 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: So I took one. I took the transcripts off the 292 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: court order, my def sence court order, and I knew 293 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: how to make prono. So I wrote prono and I 294 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: had the transcripts and I said, okay, this is how 295 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: you make prono. And this is what you got now, 296 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: this is how to see what students. You remember what 297 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: Susan Moon did, right, thisn't that? And you give and 298 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: I started reading. I said, well this is pretty good. 299 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: I did this and I did that. I said, oh man, 300 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: this is starting to scare me. Now. You know, I'm 301 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: getting ready to get executed and I need a drink in. 302 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: Actor and social rights activist Danny Glover read Jarvis's award 303 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: winning poem and it can mention called doing time organized 304 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: to celebrate prison writers. Here he is intertwined with Jarvis's 305 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: own recitation of recipe for prison Pruno recipe for prison 306 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: pun ten peel auntists Jarvis masters. It is the judgment 307 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 1: and sentence of this court one eight hour bowl of 308 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: food contail that the charge information was true, squeezed fruit 309 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: into a small plastic bag, and the jury, having previously 310 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: on said days and put the juice along with this 311 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: mesh inside, found that the company showed be death at 312 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: sixteen ounces of water and seal the bag typing at 313 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: this court, having on August twenty placed the bag in 314 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: your sink, then find your motion for a new trial, 315 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: and heated with hot running water for fifteen minutes. It 316 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: is the order of this court that you've suffered death. 317 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: Wrapped howels around the bag to keep it warm for 318 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: fermentation sand penalty to be inflicted within the walls of 319 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: San Quentin. Stashed the bag in your cell undisturbed for 320 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: forty eight hours, at which place you shall be put 321 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: to death when the time elapsed in the manner described 322 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: by law. At forty to sixty cubes of white sugar. 323 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: The day lated to be fixed by the court and 324 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: warrant of execution six TEA schools of catch up. You 325 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: are recommended to the custody of the Warden of San Quentin, 326 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: and he taken for thirty minutes to be held by him, 327 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: pending finally secured the bag has done before determination of 328 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: your appeal and stashed the bag undisturbed for seventy two hours, 329 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: repeat daily for fifteen minutes. It witnessed there after seventy 330 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: two hours, I have here on set my hand as 331 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 1: judge of the Superior Court, with the spoils skim off 332 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: the mash, and I have caused the seal of this 333 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: court to be a fixed there to pour the remaining 334 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: portion into eight god mercy have learned. So California State Prison, 335 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: same king. Would Danny be saying one verse of it 336 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: and I'll be saying the other? Huh? I would love 337 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: Danny to be making a prono, but logically it doesn't fit. 338 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: But I was just cracking a joke to seeing Danny, 339 00:23:55,160 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: you know, making prono and the Selle Danny Glover that 340 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: is very you had sixty seconds remaining so annoying. We 341 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: start talking and it gets all interrupted constantly all the time. 342 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 1: I do not like that lady. Yeah, and she's been 343 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: on my nerves. As we were wrapping the production of 344 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: this episode, I received an email notification from the Supreme 345 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: Court of California regarding Jarvis's habeas corpus appeal, and it 346 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: read notice of forthcoming opinion to be filed in three days. 347 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: So the untenable weight is over. I asked Jarvis how 348 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: he is feeling about the outcome. The greatest fear I 349 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: could ever imagine, walking out of here after all these years, 350 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: looking looking for where I belong in this big old place. 351 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: Will the court reaffirm Jervis's death sentence, exhausting his final 352 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: state appeal. Next week we'll bring you the news and 353 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: what that will mean for the future of Jarvis's life. 354 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 1: Today's episode was written and produced by Donna Fazzari and myself, 355 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: Corny Cole. Our theme song sentenced as compliments of the 356 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: band stick Figure from the album Set in Stone. Stu 357 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: sternboch Is composed the original music. Nate Defort did the 358 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: sound design. Visit free Jarvis dot org to find out 359 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: more about Jarvis's case and to sign your name to 360 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,479 Speaker 1: our dear Governor newsom petition and if you have questions 361 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: for Jarvis, please leave a message on our hotline at 362 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: two zero one nine zero three thirty five seventy five. 363 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: That's two zero one nine zero three thirty five seventy five. 364 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, visit the I 365 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to 366 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: your favorite shows. A bak