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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I never told you a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: And welcome to another happy hour. Um. As always, if

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Speaker 1: you choose to drink, please do so responsibly. Uh, and

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Speaker 1: you know we've been talking a lot. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: moving happening. Berries. Moving is so stressful, so we thought

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Speaker 1: we would do a lighter one today. That's sort of

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Speaker 1: a companion piece to our Turning Red episode. But what

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Speaker 1: are you slipping on, Samantha? I think I had this

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Speaker 1: last time, but it's see bells over on. I got

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Speaker 1: the can addition because typically they come in glass bottles.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm just chaking up beer. It's a very

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Speaker 1: me happy, but still very beer eat. Yes, and by

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Speaker 1: the way, we're not sponsored. Hey, but someone melts you

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Speaker 1: want to sponsor me? I love reach out. I'm drinking

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Speaker 1: essentially a margarita, but I used my special color changing stuff,

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Speaker 1: so it's purple, purplely blue. Because today is Revenge of

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Speaker 1: the Fifth as we record this, and I'm drinking out

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Speaker 1: of my Vader glass excited. That's exciting. She's so decked

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Speaker 1: out in Star Wars No Surprise. Yeah. Yeah. My friend

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Speaker 1: texted me because we're supposed to go see a New

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Speaker 1: Hope theaters and she's like, are you dressing up? And

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Speaker 1: dressing up, So he has in costuming, so that made

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Speaker 1: I could tell she was confused. But that's actually a

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Speaker 1: good uh segue into the conversation I want to have,

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Speaker 1: which is just kind of a light heart to talk

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Speaker 1: about some crushes we had, some fan stuff we might

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Speaker 1: have done that now feels very embarrassing because after Turning

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Speaker 1: to it, go check it out. Then. I have written

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Speaker 1: several fan letters in my day, and all of them

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Speaker 1: I I don't know if regrets the right word, but

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Speaker 1: So one of them I wrote when I was nine

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Speaker 1: probably that one. But I had a huge crush on him,

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Speaker 1: I'd be available. That's so amazing. But you know what,

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Speaker 1: But they they had to be present single because they

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