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Speaker 1: It's Sunday, January eighteenth, twenty twenty six. Welcome to Real

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Speaker 1: America's Voice News. This is Sunday. The road forward today

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Speaker 1: is Sanctity of life. Sunday a day set aside sends

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Speaker 1: President Reagan's proclamation in nineteen eighty four to affirm the

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Speaker 1: inherent dignity and value of every human person, from the

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Speaker 1: moment of conception to natural death. And as many gather

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Speaker 1: for worship on this day, I can't help but think

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Speaker 1: of a simple line from doctor Zeus's horton hears a

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Speaker 1: who A person is a person, no matter how small.

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Speaker 1: It's a children's book, but it captures a truth that

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Speaker 1: our culture desperately needs to rediscover. Size doesn't determine worth,

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Speaker 1: location doesn't determine personhood, and dependence doesn't diminish dignity. A

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Speaker 1: person is a person, whether they're nine months old, nine

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Speaker 1: weeks old, or an embryo moments after conception. But this

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Speaker 1: isn't just a philosophical position or a political stance. This

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Speaker 1: is a theological conviction rooted in the character of God himself.

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Speaker 1: We believe in the sanctity of human life because we

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Speaker 1: believe in a creator who forms each person with a purpose,

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Speaker 1: who knows us before we're born, who declares that we

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Speaker 1: bear his image. Our scripture reading today comes from Psalm

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Speaker 1: one point thirty nine, verses thirteen and fourteen. For you

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Speaker 1: formed my inward parts, you knitted me together in my

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Speaker 1: mother's womb. I praise you for I am fearfully and

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Speaker 1: wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works. My soul knows it

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Speaker 1: very well. As always, we want to be an encouragement

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Speaker 1: to our viewers to hold fast to the unchanging word

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Speaker 1: of God as we stand for the sanctity of every life.

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Speaker 1: I'm Ryan Helfenbiinen. I'm filling in for doctor Tim Clinton.

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Speaker 1: I'll be your host today.

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Speaker 2: Oh come us saw him, Oh come with us. Christy

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Speaker 3: part of your life.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is Abby Johnson. She is the founder

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Speaker 1: of And Then There Were None, a ministry designed to

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Speaker 1: assist abortion clinic workers in leaving the industry. She travels

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Speaker 1: across the globe sharing her story, educating the public on

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Speaker 1: pro life issues, and advocating for the unborn Abby, thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining Sunday. The Road Forward is so great

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Speaker 1: to see you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me on.

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Speaker 5: Ryan.

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Speaker 1: Well, I look at the fact that this is the

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Speaker 1: fifty third March for Life coming up. It's Sanctity of

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Speaker 1: Life Sunday Today. We have a lot of work to

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Speaker 1: do to end abortion in this country. And it would

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Speaker 1: seem like three three and a half years ago we

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Speaker 1: were very hopeful in Dobbs versus Jackson that all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden we were going to make real inroads to

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Speaker 1: ending abortion in the country. And now, Abby, you know

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Speaker 1: this better than anyone. You probably saw it coming. More

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Speaker 1: abortions happening today as a result of chemical abortion. What's

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Speaker 1: going on?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really unfortunate, Ryan, and that's exactly what we've seen.

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Speaker 4: I think there was a I think it was a

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Speaker 4: myth that was spread that, you know, overturning Row was

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Speaker 4: going to be sort of the kiss of death for

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Speaker 4: abortion in this country. But I can tell you that

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Speaker 4: the abortion industry was waiting. They were ready for road

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Speaker 4: to be overturned. In fact, I can tell you from

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Speaker 4: my own experience that we had protocols in place when

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Speaker 4: I worked in the abortion industry sixteen years ago, we

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Speaker 4: had protocols ready and waiting for the overturn of Row.

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Speaker 4: We had protocols ready for surgical abortion facilities to be

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Speaker 4: shut down. We had protocols ready for the mythiprex pill

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Speaker 4: to be banned for missle prostal only abortions. We have

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Speaker 4: protocols ready for missle prostal abortions to be banned, for

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Speaker 4: an overdose of vitamin C, an overdose of vitamin C

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Speaker 4: regimen to induce abortions. So the abortion industry is always ready.

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Speaker 4: It feels like we're always a step behind in the

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Speaker 4: pro life movement, and so, you know, it's unsurprising to

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Speaker 4: me that abortions are up in our country since Road's

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Speaker 4: been overturned. It's unsurprising to me that late term abortions

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Speaker 4: are at a historically high level. It's unsurprising to me

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Speaker 4: that we now have about a dozen states that have

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Speaker 4: ratified their state constitution to allow abortion up until the

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Speaker 4: date of birth. It's unsurprising because I worked in the

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Speaker 4: abortion industry, and I know that the abortion industry is

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Speaker 4: always a step of a step ahead. The enemy is

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Speaker 4: always waiting, and they were waiting and ready for this.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's fascinating even this week, and the Commonwealth

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Speaker 1: of Virginia, that process legislatively is going through so that

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Speaker 1: they can permanently codify abortion all the way up to

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Speaker 1: birth in the Virginia State Constitution, and that would come

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Speaker 1: up for a ballot measure this next November. And just

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Speaker 1: as we saw in Florida that it barely failed in

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Speaker 1: Florida proposition for Amendment four, rather, it will probably pass

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Speaker 1: in Virginia. It's very likely to pass. What do we

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Speaker 1: do to win the hearts and minds of people on

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Speaker 1: this issue. It seems like no matter where we go,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's kind of an interesting thing. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I think that the pro life movement for over fifty

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Speaker 4: years has run around and said that abortion is murder.

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Speaker 4: Abortion is murder, abortion is murder. Killing an unborn child

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Speaker 4: is murder, And we've been saying it, but we haven't

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Speaker 4: actually been acting like it. And now we're really in

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Speaker 4: a conundrum. We are really in a precarious situation in

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Speaker 4: the pro life movement because chemical abortion pills are on

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Speaker 4: the rise. They are available in all fifty states over

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Speaker 4: seventy websites in all fifty states allow the chemical abortion

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Speaker 4: pill to be shipped directly to your home, and they'll

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Speaker 4: send it to you for free. Actually, there are organizations

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Speaker 4: that are paying for women, no matter their age, no

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Speaker 4: matter if it's even a woman, men can have access

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Speaker 4: to these chemical abortion pills. And so now we're really

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Speaker 4: in a precarious situation, right because we have and we've

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Speaker 4: seen this happen several times now, particularly in states like

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Speaker 4: Texas where supposedly abortion is illegal but it's not. We

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Speaker 4: have a higher rate of abortions now in the state

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Speaker 4: of Texas now that it is illegal than we did

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Speaker 4: when it was when it was legal. We have situations

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Speaker 4: where men are ordering chemical abortion pills and they are

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Speaker 4: slipping it unknowing to the woman. They're slipping it into

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Speaker 4: the drinks of their girlfriends, their wives, their partners, and

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Speaker 4: they're killing these babies, right, They're murdering these babies. And

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Speaker 4: we in the pro life movement say that is what

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Speaker 4: that is murder, right, that is murder. This woman there

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Speaker 4: was murder committed against her child in her womb, right,

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Speaker 4: and Texans say that is murder and that man should

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Speaker 4: be charged with murder. However, if it's the same woman,

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Speaker 4: the same baby, the same pills, the same drink, but

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Speaker 4: the woman does it herself, the pro life movement says,

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Speaker 4: we're not going to charge her with murder. She's a victim.

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Speaker 4: She's a victim of a society that has told her

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Speaker 4: abortion is okay. And now we sound like a bunch

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Speaker 4: of people who are pro choice, because it is the

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Speaker 4: pro choice movement who for decades has said abortion is

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Speaker 4: acceptable if the mother decides a baby is only a

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Speaker 4: baby if the mother decides the pregnancy is wanted. But

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Speaker 4: if the mother decides the pregnancy is unwanted, then it's

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Speaker 4: not a baby. And now we sound just like them.

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Speaker 4: It's murder because the mother wanted the baby and the

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Speaker 4: father slipped the pills into the drink, and it was

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Speaker 4: a wanted pregnancy. It was a wanted baby, and so

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Speaker 4: because the guy did it and the baby was wanted,

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Speaker 4: now it's murder. But if the woman takes the pills

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Speaker 4: and she didn't want the baby and she took herself,

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Speaker 4: now it's not murder. And that can't be. It's either

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Speaker 4: it's not a baby. And it's not murder all of

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Speaker 4: the time. But it can't. We can't have this double

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Speaker 4: standard in the pro life movement. We cannot have this inconsistency.

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Speaker 4: And right now in the pro life movement, we are

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Speaker 4: living a terrible inconsistency. And so a lot of people

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Speaker 4: will say that culture is downstream from politics, and I

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Speaker 4: say it's the other way, that politics is downstream from culture.

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Speaker 4: I think it's probably it's probably both, but I believe wholeheartedly.

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Speaker 4: And we see this in places that are sort of

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Speaker 4: nominally conservative, nominally pro life. We saw this in Arizona.

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Speaker 4: We've seen this in other places where the people that

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Speaker 4: are getting elected are the most traditionally conservative. That is

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Speaker 4: what our country wants. Look at the churches that are growing.

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Speaker 4: The churches that are growing right now are not the

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Speaker 4: ones that are nominally conservative. They're not the liberal churches.

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Speaker 4: The liberal church is dying out. The churches that are growing,

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Speaker 4: even I'm Catholic, Even when we look at the Catholic church,

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Speaker 4: what Catholic churches are growing? Traditional Latin mass churches, right

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Speaker 4: the ones that are the most conservative, the ones that

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Speaker 4: cling to tradition. What churches are growing in the evangelical movement,

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Speaker 4: the ones that are most traditional, the ones that cling

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Speaker 4: to the Bible, the ones that cling to scripture, those

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Speaker 4: are the ones that are growing. The Stephen Erdicks and

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Speaker 4: those they're out their churches are no longer growing like

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Speaker 4: they used to be. Our country is longing for tradition,

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Speaker 4: They're longing for a movement for a conservative party. This

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Speaker 4: big tent maga movement, it's dwindling out. We don't want

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Speaker 4: conservative transgender people in our movement anymore, right, we don't

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Speaker 4: actually be able to have something to conserve. That's who

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Speaker 4: we are as conservatives. And so I would say to

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Speaker 4: this big tent movement, No we don't. Actually, we don't

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Speaker 4: need a big tent movement. And that's not what the

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Speaker 4: polls say. That's that's not what that's not. In fact,

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Speaker 4: I had a meeting one time several years ago when

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Speaker 4: his one of the Trump operatives, Michael Caputo. I said,

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Speaker 4: when Trump moderates on abortion, when he starts saying things like, well,

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Speaker 4: I'm never going to pass an abortion ban or I'm

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Speaker 4: never going to regulate chemical abortions. Do Trump's numbers go up?

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Speaker 4: And you know what he told me, Ryan, He looked

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Speaker 4: at me right in the face and he goes no,

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Speaker 4: In fact, they go down. So why is he saying it?

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Speaker 4: Why is he doing it? And that's what we're seeing

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Speaker 4: across the country. We're not winning when we moderate on

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Speaker 4: issues like abortion, like traditional marriage, we lose. We win

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Speaker 4: the more conservative we become. And so that's what I'm

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Speaker 4: asking the pro life movement to do. Stop being incremental.

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Speaker 4: That is not what wins, and that's not what we want.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well said I think one of the things that

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Speaker 1: I mean, there was a bill correct me if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 1: in the state of Louisiana that was going to the

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Speaker 1: legislator legislature for consideration equal protection Amendment I believe in

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Speaker 1: the State of Louisiana, which basically would have given full

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Speaker 1: rights to an unborn baby. And if the mother, then

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Speaker 1: if that got passed, if the mother then decided to

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Speaker 1: whatever the motivating factors were, she then would be complicit

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Speaker 1: in the murder of that child doesn't have equal protection.

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Speaker 1: And there are many so called incremental organizations that enjoined

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Speaker 1: in a letter to try and stop that from passing. Correct,

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Speaker 1: that's correct.

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Speaker 4: All of the big organizations that people give to Susan b.

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Speaker 4: Anthony list, National Right to Life, Students for Life was

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Speaker 4: on the list. All the big organizations that people give

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Speaker 4: big money to, they were on the list, and they

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Speaker 4: are the reason that that bill did not get passed.

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Speaker 4: Right now, in South Carolina, I was just in South

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Speaker 4: Carolina two days ago. They just introduced Bill thirty five

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Speaker 4: the House committee. They just left it open and essentially

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 4: I mean, lobbying for abortion is a very lucrative business,

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Speaker 4: It's impossible. What are you going to do? Open up

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Speaker 1: Wow, Well, we have to leave it there, but let

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Speaker 1: me just tell you I am so thankful that you

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Speaker 1: And I will say this, this is one of those

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they can go to my website directly, abbyjabbyja dot com.

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Speaker 1: Amen, Abby Johnson, will leave it there. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is Bishop Kelvin Kabaras. He currently serves

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Speaker 1: Well, sir, I know many are gathered for worship all

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Speaker 1: So well said tell us just a little bit. I

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Speaker 1: know you're very active in the National Faith Advisory. This

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Speaker 1: is unprecedented. The opportunities that you have that many other pastors,

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Speaker 1: faith leaders have to speak and be a direct voice

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Speaker 1: for our churches, for our synagogues, for our houses of

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Speaker 1: worship in this country, directly to the president. I've not

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Speaker 1: seen that in my entire life. I'm forty two years old.

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Speaker 1: In my entire life, I've not seen any administration take

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Speaker 1: these active steps to promote religious freedom, to promote religious liberty,

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Speaker 1: to give respect where respect is due, and to put

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Speaker 1: faith back in the White House. Tell us about that.

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Speaker 8: You know, President Trump has always been one that I've

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Speaker 8: admired from a kid as a businessman. I read his

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Speaker 8: book Think Big, because everything he did, he likes to

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Speaker 8: supersize it and do it in a mega wave. Never

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Speaker 8: he would be the president, I would have an opportunity

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Speaker 8: to consult with him and pray over him and speaking

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Speaker 8: to his life. And while that's not very popular in

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Speaker 8: the African American community, and I have lost much to

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Speaker 8: stand in that room with him because men of my

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Speaker 8: community counseled me. I lost a whole congregation because I

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Speaker 8: prayed for President Trump. It's been worth it. There's been

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Speaker 8: a blessing behind those closed doors, because it has given

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Speaker 8: me a platform to be an advocate not just for

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Speaker 8: the Black community, but for the people of America as

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Speaker 8: a whole. Before a president that kept his promise. Everything

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Speaker 8: this man said he was going to do, he ran on.

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Speaker 8: He's producing it, whether you like it or not. And

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Speaker 8: amongst those things, religious freedom is at the top. He

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Speaker 8: told us in the first administration he would give us

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Speaker 8: a White House Faith Office. Last year this time we

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Speaker 8: dedicated the White House Faith Office that sits right above

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Speaker 8: the Oval Office, and we are there constantly alone with

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Speaker 8: Pastor Paul White, Cain and others speaking into him, praying

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Speaker 8: over him. And even in this upcoming celebration of two

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Speaker 8: hundred and fifty years of America, he said, my pastors

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Speaker 8: are going to be on the frontline involved in this

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Speaker 8: because we need to make America pray again and bring

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Speaker 8: America back to God. I tell you, President Trump is

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Speaker 8: not a perfect man, but he perfectly understands that he

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Speaker 8: needs God in order to be successful as a president

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Speaker 8: and for us to contend to be prosperous as a country.

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Speaker 1: Amen, Bishop, it's the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of

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Speaker 1: our nation. Twenty twenty six. Many thought you know, America

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Speaker 1: might not ever get here, and that goes decades back.

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Speaker 1: Could this be the end? Could this be the end?

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Speaker 1: And in fact the Lord did grant us the two

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Speaker 1: hundred and fiftieth year. And my for America is that

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Speaker 1: we have two hundred and fifty more. Not a perfect nation,

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Speaker 1: not a perfect nation, even going back to our founding.

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Speaker 1: One of really good reminder is something that Frederick Douglas

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Speaker 1: said that the promises that were contained within the declaration,

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Speaker 1: even though they didn't declaration of Independence, even though they

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Speaker 1: didn't fully extend to all Americans, contained within the promise

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Speaker 1: was the hope that one day those grievances could be addressed,

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Speaker 1: and that one day all men and women would be

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Speaker 1: regarded is equal under God. What does it mean to you,

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Speaker 1: as a pastor in twenty twenty six that our nation

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Speaker 1: has been given afforded this opportunity to continue to go

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Speaker 1: forth in freedom.

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Speaker 8: Unlike so many people, I have respect for America. I'm

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Speaker 8: blessed to be a global revivalist that travels the world

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Speaker 8: and there is nothing like we have this country. We're

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Speaker 8: not perfect, but we're blessed. And because we're blessed, we

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Speaker 8: have the liberty and the freedoms that so many other

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Speaker 8: third world countries don't have. And I think that people

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Speaker 8: need to take a moment in these days in time

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Speaker 8: to reflect, to remember the foundation that we've been established

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Speaker 8: upon God, and that our freedom did not start with

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Speaker 8: the Founding Fathers. Our freedom started with the plan of

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Speaker 8: God to make us free from the beginning, and He

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Speaker 8: used the Founding Fathers to articulate these such words in

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Speaker 8: our Constitution. And as a result of that, we're living

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Speaker 8: in that freedom today. And I believe today people need

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Speaker 8: to honor that, remember that, respect that, and pastors need

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Speaker 8: to preach from their puor pit what doctor Kington said,

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Speaker 8: let freedom ring.

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Speaker 7: We got to continue to let freedom ring.

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Speaker 8: And that's what we're teed doun on the division, That's

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Speaker 8: what we're teed down, the separation. That's what will cause

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Speaker 8: us to collaborate and collide and to not judge people

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Speaker 8: by color, but by character, and understand that equity and

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Speaker 8: equality is for all because that has already been designated

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Speaker 8: by God, and men will uphold it as they are

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Speaker 8: convicted by the Holy Spirit to continue to lead this

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Speaker 8: nation in the way that God has ordained it through

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Speaker 8: the leaders that founded it.

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Speaker 5: Amen.

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Speaker 1: It contained in the American dream, whether the dream of

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Speaker 1: doctor Martin Luther King or the dream of the founders,

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Speaker 1: was always freedom. It was always freedom. It wasn't material prosperity,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't wealth, it wasn't trade deals with China. It

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Speaker 1: was freedom. And we're celebrating freedom today. Praise be to God. Bishop,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us this morning. And

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Speaker 1: no one could have said it better. God Bless you, sir.

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Speaker 7: God bless you. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: For more encouragement and to stay connected. Follow doctor Tim

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Speaker 3: Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and X. We love being a

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Speaker 3: part of your life.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is doctor William Lyle, best known as

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Speaker 1: the pro life Doc. He is a board certified obgyn

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Speaker 1: and a former department chair at Sacred Heart Hospital in Pensacola, Florida.

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Speaker 1: He's a strong advocate for the unborn and has dedicated

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Speaker 1: much of his career to educating people on the brutality

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Speaker 1: of abortion. Doctor Lyle, thank you for joining us. Great

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Speaker 1: to see you well.

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Speaker 9: It's an honor to be back, and it's an honor

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Speaker 9: to defend God's pre born in the womb my patients.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you know, every time I hear your voice, Doctor Lyle,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to get to really serious questions. But

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Speaker 1: you got some bass and boom and your voice. Are

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Speaker 1: you a singer?

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Speaker 9: I actually sang in a Southern gospel quartet for years,

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Speaker 9: and the name of the Southern gospel quartet that I

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Speaker 9: sang in was called Agape. And everybody knows the word

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Speaker 9: a gape, but it was actually given to us by

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Speaker 9: God because one night when we were thinking about what

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Speaker 9: should we name our group, we were lined up and

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Speaker 9: we were four different guys from four different backgrounds. But

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Speaker 9: that night we had an attorney, a gaynecologist, plumber, and.

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Speaker 5: An engineer a GPE and.

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Speaker 9: We said we got to name the group Agafe and

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Speaker 9: it was a goafe ever since. For the attorney, the

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Speaker 9: gayna collogists, plumber, and engineer.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. A man of many talents. Well, I certainly

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Speaker 1: appreciate that, doctor Lyle. You know, we're right on the

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Speaker 1: precipice of yet another annual March for Life, another annual

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Speaker 1: Sanctity of Life Sunday, many churches across the nation. I

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Speaker 1: wish it were all, but it's not all. Are going

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Speaker 1: to be preaching about God's design for human life beginning

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Speaker 1: at the moment of conception all the way to natural

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Speaker 1: birth and beyond. And many pastors are going to be

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Speaker 1: preaching and raising awareness and attention and also calling attention

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Speaker 1: to crisis pregnancy and supporting crisis pregnancies across the country.

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Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about where, just just real quickly,

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Speaker 1: where we stand as a country today and a post

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Speaker 1: Dobs world where many states, some have passed prohibitions on abortion,

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Speaker 1: other states, you know, just like in the Commonwealth of

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Speaker 1: Virginia just this week past in the state legislature an

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Speaker 1: amendment that would go to vote in the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: sixth election to permanently codify abortion all the way up

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Speaker 1: to birth. So where do we stand as a nation

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Speaker 1: as a country on this issue.

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Speaker 9: Well, basically, abortion is a spiritual battle. This is an

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Speaker 9: attack on the image of God. Just like somebody burns

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Speaker 9: the American flag because that is the image that represents

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Speaker 9: the United States. You hate the United States, you want

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Speaker 9: to burn the flag. The baby in the womb. Genesis

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Speaker 9: one twenty six says, let us make man in our image.

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Speaker 9: So this is an attack on the image of God

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Speaker 9: in the womb out of a hatred for God. So

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Speaker 9: it's great having politicians. It's great having obstetricians speaking out

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Speaker 9: from their podiums, but a spiritual battle should really be

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Speaker 9: led by our pastors from their pulpits on our churches.

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Speaker 9: And we've set aside sanctity of human life Sunday, and

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Speaker 9: now that it is before sanctity of human life Sunday,

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Speaker 9: go to your pastor, go to your priests and ask

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Speaker 9: him what are you doing for sanctity of human life Sunday?

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Speaker 5: And if they have a great plan, good. If they say, well, we.

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Speaker 9: Don't get involved in politics, well you have to think,

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Speaker 9: why am I coming to this church, Why am I

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Speaker 9: raising my kids?

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Speaker 5: Why am I tithing?

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Speaker 9: And in a church that doesn't defend the most important

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Speaker 9: spiritual battle we've ever faced as a nation.

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Speaker 5: But let them know. There are easy.

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Speaker 9: Ways to participate in Sanctity of Human Life Sunday. One

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Speaker 9: way is to go to our website. Our website ProLife

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Speaker 9: dot dot org. If you go to Sanctity of Human

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Speaker 9: Life Sunday, there actually are multiple videos. There's a three

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Speaker 9: minute video, there's a six minute video, and there's an

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Speaker 9: eleven minute video which discusses why we're creating the image

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Speaker 9: of God, the science behind our creation our conception, our

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Speaker 9: fetal development, but also how we are treating and curing

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Speaker 9: babies in the womb, and that all patients have rights.

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Speaker 9: They're available in English, they're available in Spanish, and they're

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Speaker 9: available in French. So that's one way we can all

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Speaker 9: participate and discuss this issue, which might be complicated, but

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Speaker 9: we've made it as simple as possible.

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Speaker 1: You know, one of the most important things that people

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Speaker 1: understand is that the Bible's definition and scientific proof and

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Speaker 1: scientific discovery, they are congruent. They agree with one another,

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Speaker 1: they affirm one another. Science has always affirmed what the

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Speaker 1: Bible says regarding creation and God's design. You had an

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Speaker 1: interesting take. We were having a little conversation off camera

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Speaker 1: regarding the birth of Christ, our Lord Emmanuel God with us,

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Speaker 1: the incarnation. We just celebrated it at Christmas. We're going

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Speaker 1: to be celebrating Easter here in a few months. Where

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Speaker 1: he went to the cross at Calvary's Hill, and we

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Speaker 1: don't celebrate because he died on that cross. We celebrate

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Speaker 1: because he came out of the grave. He died and

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Speaker 1: he rose again. But tell us, tell us a little

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Speaker 1: bit about what you were talking about, because this is

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Speaker 9: Well, God's original plan from the time Adam fell, and

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Speaker 9: he knew that Adam and Eve were going to fall.

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Speaker 9: His original plan could have been for Jesus, the Son

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Speaker 9: of God, to come to earth to live a perfect life,

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Speaker 9: give his life, and then conquer death and rise again,

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Speaker 9: which is what we celebrate on Resurrection Sunday. And his

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Speaker 9: original plan could have been for Jesus to wander out

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Speaker 9: of the wilderness, come into Jerusalem and begin his full

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Speaker 9: time ministry. But God didn't have that plan. God's original

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Speaker 9: plan was for our Savior, his son, to come to earth,

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Speaker 9: not as a man, not even as a baby, but

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Speaker 9: as an embryo, where the Holy Spirit and the Angel

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Speaker 9: of the Lord went before Mary and said you're going

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Speaker 9: to bear a child, and you know that was just amazing.

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Speaker 9: And then for Joseph to get a visit as well

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Speaker 9: to say, listen, your wife's pregnant.

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Speaker 5: Stick with it. This is of the Lord.

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Speaker 9: And it's just amazing that the son of God, Redeemer

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Speaker 9: mean Manuel, came as an embryo. And then we all

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Speaker 9: read in Luke two how there was Mary and Joseph

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Speaker 9: and the babe lying in the manger. Well, the word

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Speaker 9: that's used for the baby Jesus is brefas that just

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Speaker 9: means baby, But the exact same word is used to

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Speaker 9: describe Jesus in the womb in Luke one where the

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Speaker 9: baby leaped in the mother's womb for joy. That was

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Speaker 9: John the Baptist describing that baby in the womb, same word.

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Speaker 9: God doesn't see a difference between a baby and the

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Speaker 9: womb and a baby in the manger. But Luke, who

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Speaker 9: wrote Luke was a physician, and so he always has

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Speaker 9: a little bit more medical insight. And so Mary had

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Speaker 9: actually traveled almost eighty miles to visit Elizabeth, and Elizabeth

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Speaker 9: was carrying John the Baptist, who was about six months along. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 9: Jesus in Mary's womb was about three months along. I mean,

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Speaker 9: I don't think there are many women today who are

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Speaker 9: three months pregnant who had taken eighty mile hike to

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Speaker 9: visit a friend. I mean, we FaceTime and or just

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Speaker 9: give him a call, send him a text. But she

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Speaker 9: visited all the way to visit Elizabeth. But what is

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Speaker 9: significant is that Elizabeth says, oh, that the mother of

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Speaker 9: my Lord should visit me.

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Speaker 5: She knew how far along she had walked.

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Speaker 9: But Elizabeth wasn't just saying the mother of the baby

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Speaker 9: who will become my lord.

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Speaker 5: She said the mother of my Lord.

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Speaker 9: But then John also says that that baby left in

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Speaker 9: the mother's womb for joy, because John the Baptist is

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Speaker 9: in the presence of Jesus himself.

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Speaker 5: And then we see what a.

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Speaker 9: Support John the Baptist was in his life, preparing the

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Speaker 9: way for Jesus. But he left in his mother's womb,

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Speaker 9: not just kicking around, but Luke actually describes how he

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Speaker 9: leapt in his mother's womb and expressed human emotion joy.

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Speaker 9: So we are not created in the image of God

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Speaker 9: on our birthday. We are created in the image of

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Speaker 9: God at the moment of our conception. And it is

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Speaker 9: extremely important that we defend God's preborn because abortion is

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Speaker 9: evil and now it's even available in a pill nation

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Speaker 9: across the nation, all fifty states. We need to fight

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Speaker 9: evil because this is a spiritual battle we need to

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Speaker 9: hear from our pastors.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I wholeheartedly agree, and I can't help every reminded.

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Speaker 1: I was watching a video not too long ago of

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Speaker 1: a protest in the UK, and there was an Anglican

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Speaker 1: priest who was supporting pro choice and defending what he

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Speaker 1: called the fundamental right for a woman to basically murder

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Speaker 1: her baby. And one of the guys that was conducting interviews,

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Speaker 1: he was a pro life Christian, and he asked this

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Speaker 1: Anglican priest. He says, was Jesus Christ, fully God and

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Speaker 1: fully man in the womb? And you could tell he

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Speaker 1: was totally stumped because he didn't know how to answer

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Speaker 1: the question. If he denied that basic reality, he would

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Speaker 1: be going against historic Christian orthodoxy, and it would be

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Speaker 1: a violation of his oath as a pastor, as a

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Speaker 1: priest in the Anglican Communion because of settled historic doctrines

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Speaker 1: and confessions that they have to affirm. And so he

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Speaker 1: clearly was stumped. So his politics and his theology were incongruent.

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Speaker 1: And that's one of the things that we have to

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Speaker 1: remind ourselves as Christians is that our biblical convictions, our

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Speaker 1: biblical theology are intricately woven into our politics and to

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Speaker 1: how we play the ethics out. And so if we're

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Speaker 1: going to be consistent biblically, we have to assume a

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Speaker 1: pro life stance absolutely.

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Speaker 9: And when you look through scripture as far as getting

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Speaker 9: involved in politics, there are dozens of examples. I mean,

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Speaker 9: you look at Moses. Did he get involved in Politicay

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Speaker 9: went up to Pharaoh and he says, hey, let my

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Speaker 9: people go.

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Speaker 5: Shadrack nishek a bed to go. Daniel all got involved

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Speaker 5: in politics.

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Speaker 9: John the Baptist actually went up to her and says,

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Speaker 9: you are sleeping with your brother's wife. That is wrong.

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Speaker 9: He lost his head over that. But he got involved

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Speaker 9: in politics. Paul got involved in politics. Jesus himself got

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Speaker 9: involved in politics.

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Speaker 5: So if your.

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Speaker 9: Pastor says we don't get involved in politics, then he's

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Speaker 9: not following the example of the heroes of the faith

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Speaker 9: in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. And

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Speaker 9: we have the freedom to engage in this battle. So

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Speaker 9: we have a duty to get engaged in this battle.

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Speaker 1: Amen. So well said, you know, I want I want

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Speaker 1: to say this. I want to pivot and say one

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Speaker 1: other thing. This time of year, it is a reminder

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Speaker 1: there are women that there are fathers, there are mothers

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Speaker 1: out there that made as decision sometime in their past

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Speaker 1: that they fully regret today. Uh to to to to

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Speaker 1: make that ultimate decision to basically sacrifice that baby, that

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Speaker 1: it was their baby, their child, And I believe fully

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Speaker 1: that that child is in glory, is with the Lord.

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Speaker 1: But off there's a message of redemption. There's a message

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Speaker 1: of hope and healing. Even for those who made that

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Speaker 1: decision and now say fully today, doctor Lyle, I would

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Speaker 1: never do that again. But they feel the weight in

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Speaker 1: the burden of that. Maybe today, what's a message you

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Speaker 1: might give somebody like that.

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Speaker 9: Well, they're about eighteen to twenty four percent of all

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Speaker 9: the people that attend church at least once a month.

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Speaker 9: Abortion is personally part of their lives. They are hurting,

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Speaker 9: they need healing. Healing comes from forgiveness, and true forgiveness

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Speaker 9: only comes through the blood of Christ. And I am

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Speaker 9: firmly convinced, just like you are, that when moms and

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Speaker 9: dads have made that decision, whether they were pressured or

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Speaker 9: ill informed or even forced to have an abortion, and

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Speaker 9: now they are suffering the depression, the anxiety and the

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Speaker 9: guilt of abortion, that healing comes from that true forgiveness.

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Speaker 9: And when you look at the example of David when

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Speaker 9: he lost his son because of his sins, you know

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Speaker 9: that he had committed with Bathsheba, and he mourned and

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Speaker 9: more and prayed heal my son. But then when his

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Speaker 9: son actually passed away and died, David said he rejoiced

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Speaker 9: because someday he would be reunited with his son. He

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Speaker 9: wasn't saying that I'll be reunited with his evil son Absolom.

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Speaker 9: He'll be reunited with this son. So everybody who is

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Speaker 9: saved will someday be reunited and they will not say

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Speaker 9: I can't believe what you did to me. They will say,

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Speaker 9: welcome to glory, welcome to heaven. I understand. So that's

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Speaker 9: why this message needs to be coming from our pulpits.

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Speaker 9: And the American Association of Christian Counselors does an amazing

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Speaker 9: job teaching counselors how to address this issue because we've

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Speaker 9: had over sixty four million recorded abortions, and yes, these

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Speaker 9: people feel that sense of loss. And so with our

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Speaker 9: presentation at the banquet and with the conference in the fall,

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Speaker 9: will be presenting to seven thousand, five hundred Christian counselors

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Speaker 9: on how to bring healing and forgiveness after abortion. But

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Speaker 9: a lot of people when they meet a counselor, they say, well,

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Speaker 9: what's going on today?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 9: This is something that might have happened twenty or thirty

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Speaker 9: years ago. So We're going to teach the techniques to

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Speaker 9: try to find this out because healing is available to

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Speaker 9: men and women, and I don't know how a non

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Speaker 9: Christian counselor can bring healing on this issue, especially now

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Speaker 9: with the abortion bill. Where you pass the body of

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Speaker 9: a fetus, you see fingers, you see toes, you see eyes.

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Speaker 9: How can a non Christian counselor look at that person

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Speaker 9: say what you saw wasn't what actually was there. You

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Speaker 9: didn't see a baby, You just saw a blob of tissue. No,

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Speaker 9: I saw fingers and toes and fingerprints and eyes. But

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Speaker 9: with a Christian counselor that can say, God understands the

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Speaker 9: power of the Gospel message is powerful enough to even

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Speaker 9: bring healing and forgiveness after an abortion. So Christian counselors

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Speaker 9: need to reach out, they need to be trained, and

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Speaker 9: we're going to be doing that because it's what the

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Speaker 9: purpose of the Gospel is, to bring healing, redemption, and

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Speaker 9: to be able to spend eternity in heaven with our

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Speaker 9: Lord and Savior.

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Speaker 1: So well said, we'll leave it there. I'm so grateful

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Speaker 1: for your ministry, especially in such a time as this abortion. Sadly,

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Speaker 1: doctor lyle As you know, and many of our listeners

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Speaker 1: understand this. It's on the rise. But we worship a

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Speaker 1: God who has overcome the world. We worship a God

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Speaker 1: who knows his way beyond the grave. We worship a

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Speaker 1: God who makes all things new, and so that's what

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Speaker 1: we're praying for. On the Sanctity of Life Sunday. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, sir, appreciate you coming on.

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Speaker 5: It's an honor. God bless you in your ministry.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, doctor Bill Lyle for your comments this morning.

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Speaker 1: None could have said it better. We appreciate so much

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Speaker 1: what you're doing to lead our churches to help them

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Speaker 1: understand the pro life issue. Hey, folks, stick around. We'll

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Speaker 1: be back for closing thoughts.

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Speaker 3: For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow doctor Tim

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Speaker 3: Clinton on Faith, this book, Instagram, and x. We love

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Speaker 3: being a part of your life.

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Speaker 1: As we close today on this Sanctity of Life Sunday,

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Speaker 1: I want to leave you with the words of Dietrich Bonhoeffer,

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Speaker 1: the German pastor who stood valiantly against the Nazi regime

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Speaker 1: and gave his life for his convictions. He said, this

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Speaker 1: destruction of the embryo in the mother's womb is a

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Speaker 1: violation of the right to live, which God has bestowed

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Speaker 1: upon his nascent life. To raise the question whether we

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Speaker 1: are here concerned already with a human being or not

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Speaker 1: is merely to confuse the issue. The simple fact is

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Speaker 1: that God certainly intended to create a human being, and

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Speaker 1: that this nascent human being has been deliberately deprived of

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Speaker 1: his life, and that is nothing but murder. Strong prophetic

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Speaker 1: words none can be truer. Friends, Over sixty five million

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Speaker 1: lives have been lost to abortion since Roe versus Wade.

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Speaker 1: Chemical abortion pills are being mailed across state lines. The

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Speaker 1: definition of person of a human being is under assault.

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Speaker 1: But as we heard today, there is hope. Abortion workers

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Speaker 1: are leaving the industry, States are passing protective laws, pregnancy

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Speaker 1: centers are serving women with life affirming alternatives, and God

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Speaker 1: is still in the business of redemption. Don't let Sanctity

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Speaker 1: of life Sunday be just one Sunday a year. Support

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Speaker 1: your local pregnancy center, speak truth with compassion, pray for

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Speaker 1: women in crisis, Advocate for laws that protect the vulnerable,

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Speaker 1: and remember Horton's truth. A person is a person, no

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Speaker 1: matter how small. Until next time, May God give you

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Speaker 1: courage to stand for these and for the least of these.

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Speaker 1: God bless you made by God, God