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Speaker 1: Welcome to Playmakers everyone. I'm your host, Haley Elwood. We

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Speaker 1: are in the postseason. We got a special postseason edition

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Speaker 1: of this show. And joining me to talk about the

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Speaker 1: wild card weekend matchup that the Chargers will have against

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Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars is ESPN's Lindsay Theory. Lindsay, thanks for

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Speaker 1: coming on, Thanks for having me, Haley. Yeah, excited to

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Speaker 1: do this all right, So a lot of talk, but

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Speaker 1: now we know the who, the where, the why everything.

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Speaker 1: Chargers at Jags Saturday night on NBC. General overall thoughts

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Speaker 1: on this matchup for you, What a great opportunity for

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Speaker 1: the Chargers. It's just kind of funny sometimes how things

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Speaker 1: work out. Keenan Allen I was talking to him a

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Speaker 1: really had some tough losses this season. Lost. Number one

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Speaker 1: thirty age to ten week three. It was a low

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Speaker 1: It's it's an interesting thing when you kind of think

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Speaker 1: goal is to win your division because that gets you in.

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Speaker 1: But to end up as the five, yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: would you say that's the case in this one? Definitely

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Speaker 1: If I were going to the playoffs, I would definitely

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Speaker 1: want to be a team that is somewhat similar to

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Speaker 1: but it's just different playing a team that's really kind

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Speaker 1: How much stock do you put in that Week three game?

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Speaker 1: There's a lot going on. We got the Ribs game,

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Speaker 1: It was a very sour taste. So if there's any

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Speaker 1: Definitely the way they've come together. I know I was

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