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Speaker 1: Seat Geek, we're no longer in Mobile, Alabama, but we're

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Speaker 1: questions from our last podcast. Loved answering them, really insightful questions.

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Speaker 1: draft season, guys, and we're gonna go through and we're

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Speaker 1: CD Bowl. That all starts right now. Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Ticket to the Draft Podcast. I'm Logan Paulson here with

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Speaker 1: just a guy Jason sometimes sometimes notis producer Jason and Jess.

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Speaker 1: We are back from the Senior Bowl and we're excited

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Speaker 1: to give you our full recap. We got fan questions,

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Speaker 1: we got Senior Ball draft, we're kind of talking about

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Speaker 1: ticketing partner of the Washington Commanders. So we're gonna start

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Speaker 1: with questions, right, Jason.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, first off, our fans are awesome. This podcast

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Speaker 2: did way better than anybody anticipated that you or I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you text me the numbers that you were

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Speaker 2: It looks like I photoshopped there's numbers. So like, the

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Speaker 2: It's a testament to you and your college. Now they

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Speaker 2: we got the best set in the house sitting us

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Speaker 2: down there at the Senior Bowl. So yeah, it's gonna

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Speaker 2: be great. We're gonna We had the fans. We asked

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Speaker 2: so we're gonna go through a couple of those, answer

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Speaker 2: some fan questions, and then, like you said, Senior Bowl Draft. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's do it, Let's do a draft. That's exactly right,

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Speaker 2: We're gonna do. We're gonna draft the Senior Bowl, guys,

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Speaker 2: is basically what we're gonna do here at the end,

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Speaker 2: make sure you guys know, maybe some people that slipped

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it. I'm excited, all right, So.

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Speaker 2: Here we go. We mentioned after day one that the

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Speaker 2: was a question that said, if the QB play wasn't great,

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Speaker 2: then logan, how do you get a good evow on

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Speaker 1: I think that's a really good question, and I think

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Speaker 1: All right, So how does people love wide receivers don't

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Speaker 1: No, absolutely, and he he's a guy that can that

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say, does he catch all these footballs?

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Speaker 2: So he's filling the Dam Brown role that we're currently happy.

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Speaker 2: We have great fans, like they're the very smart fans too.

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Speaker 1: So Senior Bowl Draft, Senior Draft, that's right.

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Speaker 1: And I also think with some of these guys, they

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Speaker 1: the end of every week who's the best player. He

431
00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,800
Speaker 1: was the best player in practice this week. So in

432
00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:16,720
Speaker 1: one on one's physical, heavy hands, violent, violent football player,

433
00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,560
Speaker 1: which you love. Love that he could rush for multiple

434
00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,800
Speaker 1: spots on the defensive line. Love the competitive juice that

435
00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,720
Speaker 1: he brought, like he came to this process and so

436
00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,920
Speaker 1: on film you see the physicality and like, well, how's

437
00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,360
Speaker 1: he going to be physical against some of the best

438
00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,399
Speaker 1: teams in college football, some of the best guys in

439
00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,520
Speaker 1: college football? And he looked like he looked like Debo

440
00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,080
Speaker 1: from you know, Friday coming out there, like just was

441
00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,840
Speaker 1: the bully each and every rep. And so my pick

442
00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,720
Speaker 1: was easy, He's the guy for me defensive end.

443
00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,720
Speaker 2: So real quickly, uh, what's your like, where would you

444
00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,160
Speaker 2: put him in the draft? Where is he going?

445
00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:53,280
Speaker 1: So now, after this process, I've I would not be surprised, Like,

446
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,200
Speaker 1: see goes out and runs a decent foury. Let's every

447
00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,680
Speaker 1: runs a four to seven, jumps thirty five to thirty

448
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,120
Speaker 1: eight inches, and you know he doesn't have to bench.

449
00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 1: But let's say those those explosive measurements are okay. I

450
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,920
Speaker 1: think he's an end of the first round guy. After

451
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:06,520
Speaker 1: this process.

452
00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,960
Speaker 2: So if he were for some reason the fall.

453
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,240
Speaker 1: Just a little bit a little bit, I would.

454
00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,920
Speaker 2: Commanders are right there, and we need edge rushers.

455
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,399
Speaker 1: I would be I would be if this guy was

456
00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:23,200
Speaker 1: out there, I would be ecstatic because not only especially

457
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:27,160
Speaker 1: when dan Quinn was talking in his pressor. I want physical, tough,

458
00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:32,680
Speaker 1: explosive football players. He's all those things and just the again,

459
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,439
Speaker 1: the heaviness of his hands, Like so I call it

460
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,800
Speaker 1: having a hard head, Like dude had a hard head

461
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,200
Speaker 1: giving people, you know, like kind of that not back.

462
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 1: See the sweat fall off their helmet, paint chips coming off,

463
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,120
Speaker 1: and the pursuit and aggressiveness of the football. Yeah, if

464
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,439
Speaker 1: he's up there, like, he's probably my favorite kind of

465
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 1: of that second tier guy. So you got the braswell

466
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,440
Speaker 1: as you got from from Alabama, you got Isaac from

467
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,680
Speaker 1: Penn State. Big guys kind of played three four edge

468
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 1: rusher in college. I had a really good weeks also,

469
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 1: But this guy to me was just heading shoulders above

470
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 1: them and I think he deserves like he deserves that

471
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 1: end of the first early second round recognition.

472
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 2: So my number one pick.

473
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 1: Oh dude, Yeah, I'm excited. What do we got?

474
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 2: Jag Jason here is taking Jackson powers Johnson. He's the

475
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 2: center from Oregon. He's six three hundred and thirty four pounds.

476
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,199
Speaker 2: He had a great week, great week, And I'm not

477
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 2: going to give deep analysis. I'm gonna let you take

478
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 2: over right yere. But I'll just say that what I

479
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,679
Speaker 2: saw from my jag guyes is he's got great balance,

480
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 2: real quick fee looks like he's capable of handling power yep.

481
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 2: And he can get out and on the move. For

482
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 2: as big as he is, he's built like SpongeBob, like

483
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 2: a big box. Yeah, just a big box. So like

484
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,399
Speaker 2: when I see him, I'm like, that's just a pissed

485
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 2: off three hundred thirty pounds sponge vibe out there, and

486
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,120
Speaker 2: I want that on the team.

487
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's cool to watch him because they got

488
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 1: those Oregon helmets which are all chromed out in silver,

489
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: so he can really see him. And he looks so massive.

490
00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: He looks like Ben powers Johnson, not Ben powers Johnson.

491
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 1: That's it, Jackson Jackson powers Johnson. But he looks like

492
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 1: the guard for Baltimore, like this big boxy player. But

493
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 1: he's got excellent feet and so it's not only excellent

494
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 1: feet in one on ones, It's like they ran a

495
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 1: couple outside zone plays and team where he's able to

496
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: reach a play side shade, so you know, runs go

497
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,199
Speaker 1: to left the player, the defensive players land up to

498
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 1: his left. That's the hardest block for a center to make,

499
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: and usually those bigger, heavier guys have a hard time

500
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: making that did a great job with that. He played

501
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,119
Speaker 1: a little bit of guard. You could tell he doesn't

502
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 1: really know what he's doing yet guard from a pass

503
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 1: that standpoint, but he's just so big, so heavy, such

504
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 1: good feet, able to anchor really really well. So when

505
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 1: you like to me, Darius Robinson won and one A

506
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 1: is probably Jackson powers Johnson from in terms of production

507
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: in the week. The only problem with your pick, I think,

508
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: and there's nothing you know from a player standpoint, is

509
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 1: that he's going to be gone. I think he's going

510
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 1: to go between I'd say seventeen and twenty seven probably

511
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 1: in this draft, Like he's usually don't take a center

512
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 1: that high. He's his film's good. His senior ball was excellent.

513
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: Like he's that dude. So barring something catastrophic happening, you know,

514
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: like he can't actually run a forty because he's so slow,

515
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what it would even look like. He's

516
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: not gonna fallow a second round.

517
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 2: I won't get my hopes up, which is unfortunate because

518
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 2: that's also an awesome name.

519
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: He's yeah, yeah, because yeah, he's an excellent football player.

520
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: Really stood out, so for me, my next pick was

521
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: the guy that I think a lot of people have

522
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 1: been talking about the national media. We didn't talk about

523
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: him that much on the show, but that's why we're

524
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: talking about him now. Is Quinnon Mitchell, quarterback from Toledo,

525
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: six foot, one hundred and ninety six pounds. A guy

526
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 1: that played like relatively small school football compared to the

527
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: other guys there. And the thing about him that I

528
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 1: really liked is he didn't play any press man in college.

529
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: This is the first opportunity to see it. He really

530
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: looked very comfortable in the man of man situations in

531
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 1: one on one, patient feet, good relationship to the receiver,

532
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: good at anticipating painting routes. Not maybe the best click

533
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: and clothes guy, but it wasn't bad. I think he

534
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: came in and said, like I definitely to be deserve

535
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,719
Speaker 1: to be in the conversation as possibly I don't think

536
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: CB one, but like maybe CB three in this class,

537
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: and that was is probably a first round player. So

538
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: I was really impressed with him in the week.

539
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 2: So you texted me because we share a Google draft.

540
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 2: You do a Google doc when all these guys are

541
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 2: going to be at the draft, and I put in

542
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 2: my in my little column on the side. I have

543
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 2: my own little special little box you gave me. I

544
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: put in my notes when I watch them, and I

545
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 2: was like, this, dude, I don't know, not sold on them.

546
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 2: It looks like he's flat footed, little slow to break

547
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: in on balls. Sometimes that's what I put in there. Now,

548
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: I'm just a guy. I have no idea how to

549
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 2: evaluate this. And you texted me late at night and

550
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: you're like, bro, what are you watching? So explain to

551
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 2: me why a guy like me saw that and how

552
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 2: I'm wrong, because you told me when we were out

553
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 2: there how I was wrong. And I was like, oh,

554
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 2: that makes so much sense, and I don't know that

555
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 2: because I'm just a guy.

556
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, So with him, he it was a tough evaluation, honestly,

557
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: because they played a lot of his own like a

558
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: lot of Cover three, and so I was not sold

559
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: on him in the film, Like I thought, you see

560
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: the athletic traits, you see the movement skills, you see

561
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: the ability to kind of be something special. But that's

562
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: why you have the senior ball, in my opinion, is

563
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: for guys like this where I have some questions about

564
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: him that can easily be answered if we just get

565
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: him in a practice setting with some good football players.

566
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: So he showed up and again I probably had like

567
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: a second ground great on him because he's got the traits,

568
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: he moves well, his ball production's great, but again a

569
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: lot of questions. So he gets there and so you

570
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: watch his one on ones and you're like, what is

571
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: how is this going to look? Because all the receivers are,

572
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: like we talked about, are very good, and I'd say

573
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: for his first three one on ones of the day,

574
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 1: just very consistent and smooth in his back pedal, understanding

575
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: when and where to open my hips, how to get

576
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: hands on guys, how to disrupt stuff, and just looked

577
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: so in control. So it went from a situation which

578
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: is this is something that I didn't know if he

579
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: could do, to actually like he's really good at it.

580
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: He's got all the measurables, got all the quality as

581
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: you're looking for. He's got the production in college in

582
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: this zone heavy system. So that to me, this is

583
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,959
Speaker 1: a perfect example of what the Senior Bowl was for

584
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: from a player like Darius Robinson. I was high on

585
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people would probably say

586
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,239
Speaker 1: this about Darius Robinson, but he came in and said, oh,

587
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: you've got questions about my ability to play manna man

588
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: watch this like. So for example, they brandan Rice ran

589
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: a post as like the last one on one on

590
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: the second day or third day, I don't remember exactly when,

591
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: and he's in phase with it. The ball's lead on

592
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: a throne, so he's underrunning a post, balls on the throne,

593
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: jumps up, does like a three sixty, he catches the

594
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: football and then runs it all the way back for

595
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: a touchdown in one on one. So you know, the

596
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: runback's not that impressive, but the ability to track that

597
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: staying relationship, especially in a one on one on a

598
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: post like that's ridiculous. You know, you have middlefield safety

599
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: so that shouldn't be a thing. But but yeah, like

600
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: he just answered all those questions, and it was the

601
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: consistency he practiced with each and every day, like first

602
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: day was good. Second day was good, third day was excellent,

603
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: and you're just like, he was like, do you have

604
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: any more question? It was like being interviews, like do

605
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: you have any more questions?

606
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: And I was like, no, He's like Jessic guy, Jason

607
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 2: is dowdy watch.

608
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: This, but I think it's important to know that Jessic

609
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: guy Jason everyone. I had my doubts too because you

610
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: didn't see it. But here at this, here in this platform,

611
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: which is why the Senior Bowl is such an invaluable

612
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: evaluation tool. I got to say, yes, you can get

613
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: this done. I have no question about it. That's why

614
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: he can be the third some people happen as the

615
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: number one corner of the draft after that, after that performance,

616
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go that far, but I definitely

617
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: understand why some people.

618
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 2: Would all right to VANDREI sweat.

619
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: That's your guy, the big boy, the big boy. Where's

620
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: he from, Jason.

621
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: He's the tackle, the defensive tackle from Texas. He's six

622
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 2: foot four and he is three sixty two. Maybe maybe

623
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: maybe he did not weigh in that is, he said,

624
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 2: leave it up to your imagination.

625
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: Fellas.

626
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 2: He is huge and the reason I'm drafting him is

627
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 2: because for as big as he is, he should not

628
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: be doing some of the things that he was doing.

629
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 2: And it was I I was just I couldn't take

630
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 2: my eyes off it.

631
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: It was like watching because it's it's a it's a

632
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: freaking rhino. It's like a freak, Like, yeah, anytime you

633
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: see one of those guys, like it was like Johnny

634
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 1: when we were watching Johnny Wilson, Like when do you

635
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: see things you're not supposed to see? You can't look away,

636
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: You're like, I gotta watch this somewhere.

637
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. And but he's not just huge, right, I don't

638
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 2: want to just say he's a one trick bony. To me,

639
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: he had some pretty violent hands. He's sudden. For as

640
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: as he is, he explodes out of the sands. I

641
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: said to you and Selby, I was like, he's got

642
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: pretty good burst. He all looked at me and like

643
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 2: laughed a little bit, and I would, well.

644
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: You know, for being for being hunch, for being a

645
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: for being a question mark in the weight category.

646
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: He's it scares the hell out of me. And uh,

647
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: the only thing about him that clearly shows is if

648
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: he doesn't win right away, I mean just winning, he's

649
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: out of the play. You can only go for so long,

650
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: but when he goes, it's.

651
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, no, I think, I think I agree

652
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: with your hundred percent. And you watch big players every

653
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: year because the size is intriguing. It's NFL is still

654
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: a physical football game. Despite what people think about the

655
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: rules and stuff, you still need big physical dudes, and

656
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: so you watch big, heavy set guys every year hoping

657
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: you can find the next Ted Washing, that next elite

658
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: noseguard Vince Willfork. But people, the reason those guys are

659
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: special is because they move it in a certain way.

660
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: So I started watching Sweat on film and I was like, man,

661
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: he actually has some snap in his hands. His hands

662
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: are heavy, they're strong, he understands how to manipulate pads,

663
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: like where I can grab great torque in the upper

664
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: body of the offensive player. He's got a very explosive

665
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: bull which again is not something you see from guys

666
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: this heavy normally. So I think there was a lot

667
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: of stuff to like. And then they did like a

668
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: double team drill in that practice. He did a great

669
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: job keeping the double team flat using great technique. A

670
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: lot of big guys don't have the foot speed to

671
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: kind of glide laterally on those outside zoned doubles. I

672
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: thought he did a great job with that. Again, one

673
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: question with him is the conditioning, Like how conditioned are you?

674
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: And when you weigh I don't know, let's I'm not

675
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: gonna put a number three eighty five maybe for I'm yea,

676
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it because like, I can't think of

677
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,239
Speaker 1: a good reason not to weigh in unless you're at

678
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: an obscene weight, Like that's the only reason not to

679
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: do it. So in three sixty five A lot of

680
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: people say it would say that's obscene, but that's what

681
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: he's listening. So if you're over that, like where are

682
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: you in the world of weight? But you know his

683
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: conditioning is the only thing you wonder about. Because I

684
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: thought he rushed the passer, well, he had a bull rush.

685
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: I think I know for sure. We talked about it

686
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: where he literally folded the Oklahoma Center on top of himself.

687
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,479
Speaker 1: I've never I've probably seen that one time in my

688
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: fifteen years of doing football. So very impressive week from

689
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: him and a guy that I didn't understand really until

690
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl why everyone was so geeked about him,

691
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: But after watching it, I think he if this was

692
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: football from ten years ago. He for sure to be

693
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: a first round pick.

694
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's definitely gonna fall because of the conditioning. Yeah,

695
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: and even if he had the conditioning, he's not going

696
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: to play every snap. He's going to be in and out.

697
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: You're not going to spend a high draft pick on

698
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: a guy that's not going to be in the game

699
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: all that much. And for the Commanders with Payne and

700
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: Alan and like, uh, Fedarian and Ridgeway, like we're probably

701
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: not picking this guy. But man, was he fun to watch.

702
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: He was fun to watch. And again, you never know,

703
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: like you never know what's going to happen because people

704
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: some people go best player available and let's say he's

705
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: sitting there and it's later in the draft, and you're like,

706
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: he's just too good to pass up on. There's definitely

707
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: a role for him at the NFL level. So again, I.

708
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: Just want to stand next to him. If HE'SI I

709
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: want to stand next to him. Get a picture.

710
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean exactly, all right, You're so my pick

711
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: is someone that I think we didn't talk about enough

712
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: of it. I honestly think I'm not being hyperbolic here.

713
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: I think was And Jason, you might disagree with this

714
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: was the best receiver at the Senior Bowl, over the

715
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: over the practice weeks, and think about that for a second.

716
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: He was I would say, yes, yes, but he wasn't

717
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: the He wasn't the sexiest.

718
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: Yes, he wasn't. Like the name that came out of it.

719
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: Everyone was talking about Ladd mccogney. You know Xavier la Guett,

720
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: the Michigan receiver. I can't remember his name at the moment.

721
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: The guy who ran really fast, he had to get

722
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: one of the highest GPS datas. Right is Ricky Pierson

723
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: from Florida. He's six ' to one two, one hundred

724
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: and ninety pounds and all the stuff I can say

725
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: about Ladd from a route running nuance standpoint, I thought

726
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: Ricky brought a level of that nuance coupled with a

727
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: physicality that Lad didn't have. So Lad, I feel like

728
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: is only a slot player, which is fine, there's a

729
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: lot of value to that in the NFL. I feel

730
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: like Ricky gives you some inside outside flexibility. I think

731
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna make his money as a slot player

732
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: on the inside, Like that's just where his skill set

733
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 1: seems most suited to. But I think he is a

734
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: phenomenal football player, excellent short area quickness, made some contested

735
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: catches down the field on the deep ball, which again

736
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: Ladd didn't do this cycle, but again that could have

737
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: been quarterback play. He just, to me was a guy

738
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: that no one was talking about, and I thought, this guy,

739
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: if there's a for sure thing, as as for sure

740
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: as you can get the draft from a receiver standpoint,

741
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: in this group of fifteen guys, it's Ricky pearso undred percent.

742
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: All right, my turn, your turn, all.

743
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 2: Right, you took receiver. I got to defend. I'm going

744
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: Jarvis Brownlee junior.

745
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: All right, so before you started out just a guy,

746
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: Jason right. I love this pick, and I was so

747
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: close to taking him instead of Quinnion Mitchell. But I

748
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: just this is an awesome pick by you.

749
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 2: This dude won the Senior Bowl. To me, okay, just

750
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: of everybody, all right, cornerback out of Louisville. He's five ten,

751
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty three thirty one in charms. Uh So,

752
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: I didn't really know much about him off the filming

753
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: in at Standout, but there he looked like the dude

754
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: just nobody could win against him, and as good as

755
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: we're talking about the wide receivers are he was just like, Nope,

756
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: not today, not with me. He had great instincts in anticipation,

757
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: in coverage. It looked like he was running the route

758
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: for some of these dudes. I mean, in one on ones,

759
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: which receivers are supposed to win, right, quarterbacks wouldn't even

760
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: throw the ball because he's just.

761
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: Just and then that's not exaggeration, that's not exaggeration. He

762
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: ran it so starting to cut off, he ran a dig,

763
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: A receiver ran a dig from the slot. He literally,

764
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: I don't know how he knew must have been the

765
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: route stem before the receiver broke on the dig. He

766
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: broke on the dig, and the quarterback tried to throw

767
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: it behind him to get it to the receiver, like

768
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: behind his head, and I just thought, like, I don't

769
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: know what he saw there, but talk about a guy

770
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: with just a tremendous feel for what it means to cover.

771
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I mean that's crazy stuff.

772
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

773
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: And so he had an interception in the game, which

774
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: you said, underthrown ball, whatever, But it doesn't matter. When

775
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 2: the ball finds you, it finds it. You're a magnet.

776
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: But the thing I thought was interesting is. He was

777
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 2: voted the best cornerback at the Senior Bowl by the

778
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: wide receivers that participated, right, so they were like, this

779
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: dude is a problem.

780
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: And we talked about Ladd McConney and how he was

781
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: so fantastic during this process and thrash, how he was

782
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: so fantastic. He so no one could cover Lad, like

783
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: he'd get out there and dude's be falling down. And

784
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: I will say Brownlee was he made a contested catch

785
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: with him, like really tight contested catch and had a

786
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: PPU in one on ones to give it some context.

787
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: And the only people, the only person that I saw

788
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: him have even a difficult time with was our guy

789
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: Johnny Wilson on a dig. But Johnny Wilson is very

790
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: unique in terms of body type. Yes, you know, six seven,

791
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 1: two thirty seven, so not a lot of guys gonna

792
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: look like him. But in terms of everybody else, all

793
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: these short, area, hyper quick, super mobile guys, he just

794
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: did so to me one hundred percent agree, a guy

795
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: that just was definitively awesome, you know, like every step

796
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: of the way, and a guy we didn't know. And

797
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: that's one of the beauties about it. As we came

798
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: out of it, and we're like, it's so funny because

799
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: when you were watching the you guys aren't down there.

800
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: When you're watching the Senor Bowl, everything's going on at once.

801
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: So offensive line's going on, you know, the running backs

802
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: auld do one on ones, the tight ends one on ones,

803
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: the receiver jual one. So you got to kind of

804
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,479
Speaker 1: watch all things at the same time. So the fact

805
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: that you can pick up on a guy a dB

806
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: especially that's consistently winning one old ones, it just shows

807
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: you how demonstratively he won those reps and how vivid

808
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: it was to see those those victories from.

809
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely. A good way to tell if somebody's doing well

810
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl is when you're watching with a group.

811
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 2: They were like a group of four of us that

812
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 2: were alling together and everybody starts tapping each other on

813
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: the shore.

814
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah he's up, Yeah, he's up. Yeah right.

815
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: So when you're doing that for guys like that, that

816
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: person's doing well.

817
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely right, put a little star next to him,

818
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: put a star next to his name. Absolutely. So for me,

819
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: I'm going offensive lineman here, and I'm going Patrick Paul.

820
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: And so Patrick Paul is an interesting pick for me.

821
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: He's from He's the offensive tackle from Houston. Six seven

822
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: three point fifteen, had the longest arms at the Senior

823
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: Bowl in terms of measurement, so in terms of tackle

824
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: like that's about as protypical in terms of body type

825
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: as you could possibly get. I didn't go guiding here.

826
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: I didn't go to Lasi Fuaga partially because I think

827
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: those guys are going to go in the first round.

828
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: So Guidan's the tackle everyone's talking about from Oklahoma. I

829
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: think he played himself in the first round. Felici Vuaga

830
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: probably the best offensive lineman there, kind of in that

831
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: same vein as Jackson Powers Johnson from Oregon State. But

832
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 1: I didn't go with him because I thought I came

833
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 1: out of that thinking he was a top ten pick.

834
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: Now I think he's probably a top fifteen pick who

835
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: might move to guard. So the reason I picked I

836
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: picked Houston is because I think Patrick paul A, Chris

837
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: Paulis's brother b I think he represents kind of the

838
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: tackle class that's going to be there in the second round.

839
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is guys that are

840
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: extremely physically talented. They look the part, but are technically

841
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: kind of raw, you know, Sue Mattia from BYU six

842
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 1: six three twenty five. Another guy, big, physical, very technically raw.

843
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: I think Patrick Paul could be great if he gets

844
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: with the right old line coach. You just can't coach length,

845
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: and you can't coach size, and you can't coach the

846
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: way he moves his feet. There's a reason he's not

847
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: Tyler geiiton. We're not talking about him at the end

848
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: of first round. He's got some issues, he's got some flaws.

849
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: But I think again, you get in with the right

850
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: group and the right system. Because he did some stuff

851
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: physically that he had some bad reps. He also had

852
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: one of he had the best drive block of the

853
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Fit his hands in there. The guy tried

854
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: to smack him in the mouth, ate it up, and

855
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: then this is incredibly hard to do after that initial

856
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: contact to create movement off the ball, and this dude

857
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: move this defensive player not exaggerating five yards deep into

858
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 1: the other team's defense. So physically, very very gifted, very raw.

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Speaker 1: But the length, the height, the weight, the movement skills.

860
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Speaker 1: You say, man, if you get it figured out, you

861
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Speaker 1: could be a comp that I would think of as

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Speaker 1: like Morgan Moses a guy that can be very very

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00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: special for a long time if you check all those

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Speaker 1: boxes off.

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Speaker 2: It seems like a thing that teams like, yeah, are

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00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: the things you can't coach, right, because they're coaches. That's

867
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: what they're paid to do. So they're like, well, we

868
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Speaker 2: can coach that. So if you give give me a

869
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Speaker 2: guy with the things that I can't I can't control.

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Speaker 1: He's just give me, give me a beast, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Right, and I'll train him. Yeah right, Like that's that's

872
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 2: what NFL teams look for. So he may slide up maybe.

873
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Speaker 1: Because of that, think, just because of that rise. I think, so,

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Speaker 1: I think, And again it's he showed you enough and

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Speaker 1: the film I don't love. He's got loose hands, he

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Speaker 1: lets people into his chest too much. He's got one

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Speaker 1: of the highest pass rushing pass protection grades in PFF

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Speaker 1: at PFF, but partially because he's so big and these

879
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: rushers don't know how to handle him. Right. But here

880
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl you saw his first rep was

881
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: against Braswell, the outside edge rusher from Alabama. Braswell just

882
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: ran right down his middle. And Braswell's not a huge man.

883
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: He's like probably six four, two fifty four, but his

884
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: technique was bad. As his technique got better over the week,

885
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, there's that sign and I hate to

886
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: do that, like there's that thing I'm looking for because

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00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: it's totally confirmation bias. But again, that length and the

888
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: density that he has in the length is something that

889
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Speaker 1: I think is again you can't coach it, and someone's

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00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: going to take a flyer on him because if he

891
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Speaker 1: inter commanders might be the commanders. That's right, especially with

892
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Speaker 1: that with those two second.

893
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 2: Round picks, you got a good team, logan.

894
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Speaker 1: I do. I feel really good about my team I

895
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: looking over it. I obviously you have a better offensive

896
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: lineman because Patrick Paul was kind of that swing second

897
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: round guy potentially, But I feel good about it because

898
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: I feel good about those players for sure. And I

899
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Speaker 1: like this last receiver you got here.

900
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should feel good about yours. But this is

901
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: where I bury you. I'm going with Brendan Rice, wide

902
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: receiver out of USC six three pounds, the son of

903
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: Jerry Rice. Obviously, everybody's going.

904
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Speaker 1: To say that Jerry was there a couple of days

905
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Speaker 1: watching him.

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00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: Which was pretty cool to be in the same area

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00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: that he is in. But so Brendan Rice. One of

908
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: the things about the film is that he never stops hustling,

909
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 2: even with broken plays, which happened a lot with Caleb Williams.

910
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 2: So he's just he's got a motor for a wide receiver.

911
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 2: He's going to keep working for you. He's got great hands.

912
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 2: He's not super fast, I don't think. Yeah, i'd be

913
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: surprised to see what he was.

914
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: And we'll talk about that more in a second book.

915
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: And he doesn't get separation all that well, right, but

916
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. Yeah, he catches the ball. He's got

917
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: great hands. He'll fight through contact and I love that

918
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: about him. And at the Senior Bowl several times just

919
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: getting bumped, corners getting hands in with him, doesn't matter.

920
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 2: I'm making this catch. I'm covered, doesn't matter. I'm catching

921
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: this ball. And you like to see that.

922
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. He had a couple of reps with

923
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Speaker 1: Tyree Jackson, I think it is his name, the cornerback

924
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: from Oregon, six ' three transfer from Alabama, big old dude,

925
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: and they're in these physical grappling matches and the physicality

926
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Speaker 1: of Brendan Rice in those matchups against the guy who's

927
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: pretty physical in his own right, in the cornerback in

928
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,919
Speaker 1: tyree Is. I was just so impressed because like he's

929
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 1: pulling on him, he separates, he rips out, he makes

930
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: a nice kind of contorting his body to catch the football,

931
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Speaker 1: and there were times in the red zone where I'm like,

932
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: he's got some nuance to his routes. It's not just

933
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: this big muscled up guy. He understands stan stems and

934
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: how to use body contact to create separation. And he

935
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Speaker 1: doesn't drop the football. I think that's the other thing.

936
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Speaker 1: It's like you talk about checking boxes, it's like you

937
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: show enough compete. Like there's times where he gets up

938
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: and he is fired up, he's yelling, he's flexing on people.

939
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 1: He's got that kind of number one, number two receiver

940
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: energy which you love to see. And again, the way

941
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: he competed through contact I thought was extremely special. So

942
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: I love that pick by you. I think is a

943
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: guy that a lot of people forget to talk about

944
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: because he's kind of like he has all these physical

945
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: measurements you know that make you get really excited. But

946
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: a guy that again very very talented, and you mentioned

947
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: he doesn't separate well, but I think he separates enough.

948
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: There's sometimes where you watch a guy and you're like,

949
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: is that enough? Like Xavier the get You're kind of like,

950
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: because you don't, you're just relying on speed and horsepower

951
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: to get open. Is that enough separation at the NFL level?

952
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: I think Brendan Rice, because of the nuance that we

953
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: just talked about, it's enough to make you say, oh,

954
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: he can play receiver at the NFL level.

955
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: Awesome, we did it.

956
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: We did it drafted. Yep, that's it, and I feel

957
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: pretty good. Your team's excellent. Brown is an excellent show.

958
00:42:59,320 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 2: You're all good player.

959
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: Yeah there. I mean they're the highlights of the senior balls, right,

960
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. So yeah, well is that it?

961
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 2: Is?

962
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: That going to do it?

963
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 2: That's it for today. This show has been doing really well.

964
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Speaker 2: Like we said earlier, thank you fans. We'll see if

965
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: we try and get something else out.

966
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Speaker 1: We'll definitely do this.

967
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 2: Again for the Combine, same exact process. We'll do podcasts

968
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 2: every single day. At the end of every Combine drill

969
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: workout session with whatever group that is, we'll do a

970
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 2: recap one. But between now and then, maybe we'll figure

971
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 2: something out. I don't know, we'll look we'll look at it.

972
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got, we got a lot. There's so many

973
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Speaker 1: people that talk about there's so many people to review.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think we're probably both at about one

975
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Speaker 1: hundred ish guys that we've watched a lot of film on.

976
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: But you know, for the draft and the combent, you

977
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: got to get to that three hundred number. We got

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00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: to get that three bills. So we got a lot

979
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Speaker 1: of work to do. And maybe we'll update you on

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00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 1: the process as we go. But thank you so much

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00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: for joining us on the show. Please like and subscribe

982
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Speaker 1: and continue to leave comments. We really appreciate it.