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Speaker 1: We're in Chicago. It's The Herd. Wherever you may be

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Speaker 1: and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us

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Speaker 1: part of your day. Sean, I was sitting with my

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Speaker 1: wife last night in front of the fire, and I

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Speaker 1: want to relay because you're a new parent. So and

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Speaker 1: So I want to start the show. John here. I

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Speaker 1: was sitting with my wife having you know, cocktail, front

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Speaker 1: I made the analogy to my wife. We had a

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Speaker 1: little thing going on. I said, you know, honey, you

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Speaker 1: and I are firefighters, and occasionally one of our six

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Speaker 1: kids becomes an arsonist. They're just starting fires. Sometimes The

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Speaker 1: key is they don't have two or three arsenists at

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Speaker 1: the same time, So you've got to really when you

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Speaker 1: have issues. Parenting's not about when your kids are eating

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Speaker 1: That's not parenting. That's like babysitting. That's easy. Parenting is crisis.

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Speaker 1: What happens when there's fire starters. What happens you got

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Speaker 1: to come in. You're the firefighter. You're putting that puppy out.

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Speaker 1: And that's a little bit like being a quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Everybody's good with a stacked roster. What happens.

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Speaker 1: Ask Jalen hurts, you lose your top offenive coordinator and

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Speaker 1: receiver gets hurt. Oh, that's real quarterback play. That's real

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Speaker 1: quarterback play. I mean tip of the cap to Justin

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Speaker 1: Herbert making the playoffs last year. That number one first

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Speaker 1: the Niners this preseason are a mess. DeMarcus Robinson suspended

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Speaker 1: three games. They went and got Sky Moore yesterday. Andy

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Speaker 1: Russell Gage who was being counted on to help for

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Speaker 1: the injured receivers. He's now hurt. He's out for a

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Speaker 1: of one year, and I don't have an explanation for it.

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Speaker 1: The Niners have been top ten in injuries. A couple

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Speaker 1: of years, they've been number one. I mean, you can

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Speaker 1: only wear pads so many days, you can only practice

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Speaker 1: so many days. I don't know what it is, but

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Speaker 1: I know this. That's that's the separator. Patrick Mahomes won

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Speaker 1: mess whiffs, suspensions, drops.

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Speaker 1: I think for a couple of years, kansasit. He led

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Speaker 1: wide receivers are his one, two and three receivers, and

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Speaker 1: His number one wide receiver is a slot guy from

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Speaker 1: stuff gets messy. That's real parenting, all right, Parenting's not

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Speaker 1: this is the separation. The separation in this league is, oh,

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Speaker 1: That that is quarterback play for Michael Pennicks, and this

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Speaker 3: it's a bigger challenge for me just dealing with all this.

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Speaker 1: We got to continue to get better for the season.

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Speaker 1: I said, last year, stacked roster rock perty's getting you

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Speaker 1: State that prepared him for the NFL pass rush. Second

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Speaker 1: best roster, not always the best coach. So that this

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Speaker 1: Rams Bucks. Okay, I got to talk about this yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I got a text from a couple of front office people.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday the Broncos Sean Payton made a deal. You know

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Speaker 1: how Trump wrote that book Art of the Deal. This

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Speaker 1: And Sean Payton knew itt. And this is what great

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Speaker 1: it's that Jordan Belfoort, Wolf of Wall Street. You sell

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Speaker 1: me this pen. That's what it feels like. And so

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Speaker 1: it's amazing the Saints got worked because they had Sean

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Speaker 1: still got worked. But it's a great example offensive coaches

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Speaker 1: fine value. Late niners have been in a couple times

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Speaker 1: by the way, Carolina has a really sharp young GM,

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Speaker 1: a former player, Dan Morgan. Carolina did this last year

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Speaker 1: where they got a fourth round pick from the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: for Jonathan Mingo, who's like a number three or four

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Speaker 1: He's heard, he's on the ir and he had five

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Speaker 1: in every state business, the smart guys, the haves are working,

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Speaker 1: the distracted and the delusional. The Saints are delusional. They're

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Speaker 1: going a rebuild. What are you doing? The Sharks eat

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Speaker 1: the minnows, the Hammers meet the nails. And that's a

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Speaker 1: great example. You wonder in your how is how is

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton made this roster? How has he made this

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Speaker 1: offensive line? Number two according to PFF in like two

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Speaker 1: years it was mediocre, bottom third of the league. It's

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Speaker 1: this kind of stuff just knowing offensive personnel. Look what

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Speaker 1: he's done to that receiving corp and that offensive line.

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Speaker 1: The reason they can move off de von Vleight, The

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Speaker 1: reason they can move off him, talented kid, by the way,

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Speaker 1: The reason they could move off him because they've drafted

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Speaker 1: and developed and hit on wide receiver talent. So it's

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Speaker 1: just it's just a little deal. But Sean knows the

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Speaker 1: Saints aren't going to be good. The kid's going to

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Speaker 1: one year. I probably can't move him. His age will

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Speaker 1: become a topic. And they get two good picks hammer

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Speaker 1: day before talking about how Sean Payton has just changed

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Speaker 1: the Denver culture.

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Speaker 4: The difference between last year and this year was last.

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Speaker 1: Year we hoped we could win. This year, we know

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Speaker 1: we can win. And one of the big moves we made,

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Speaker 4: A popular player, we got rid of popular players that

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Speaker 4: weren't the right guys. Guys that want to be here,

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Speaker 4: Guys that want to contribute, Guys that want to work hard,

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Speaker 1: That's how we're building this roster. Yeah, I thought that

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Speaker 1: and they're like, whoa, it's like uninitiated. I didn't you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's just Sean doing Sean's stuff. And we've

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Speaker 1: talked about this before. I don't have the stats in

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Speaker 1: front of me, but the late great Tony Gwynn is

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Speaker 1: one of the best peer hitters I've ever seen in baseball.

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Speaker 1: But you know he wasn't hitting Oral Hirschheiser in Oral's prime.

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Speaker 1: a part of is you've got to take advantage of

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Speaker 1: the people that are delusional and distracted and don't put

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Speaker 1: that move, like that's the kind of move that can

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Speaker 1: win games now and get us into the playoffs. That's

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Speaker 1: not where New Orleans is. They're in a rebuilt It's

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Speaker 1: The College Football Playoff announced yesterday revisions much needed revisions

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Speaker 1: And then that's what I said about Ohio State last year.

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Speaker 2: This is the herd Line news, Okay, Colin the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Forty years old Tom at the end, it's like, hey,

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Speaker 2: Speaking of in the NFL, Michael Parsons and the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: To a long term deal.

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Speaker 1: How do you get reps? He's gonna be in a

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Speaker 2: Now. These guys are all gonna play. I think by

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Speaker 2: You and I have been talking about this since the draft.

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Speaker 1: how does he think Bill Belichick will do at a

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Speaker 1: program Carolina that Mac Brown knows very very well.

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Speaker 8: Chancellor Lee Roberts has committed the football big time for

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Speaker 8: the first time in North Carolina history. They are really

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Speaker 8: wanting football to be good, so.

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Speaker 1: They're all in.

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Speaker 8: Bill is arguably the best coach of any sport. I mean,

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Speaker 8: you win that many Super Bowls at whatever level. The

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Speaker 8: man can coach, he can evaluate because he had to

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Speaker 8: bring in all those kids at the Patriots and now

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Speaker 8: administrators don't like to say it, but we have pro

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Speaker 8: football at some level in college. We no longer have amateurism.

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Speaker 8: So I do think the fact that we are much

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Speaker 8: more like the NFL than ever before will really help

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Speaker 8: build with this transition.

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Speaker 1: And I agree in premise to that. But here's what's

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Speaker 1: really interesting to me. This is why it's so fascinating,

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Speaker 1: is if you look at Belichick his last seven drafts

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Speaker 1: in New England, where he's evaluating college talent, he was awful.

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Speaker 1: There are so many misses and so many complete whiffs

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Speaker 1: and so many reaches. Even in the early rounds. I mean,

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Speaker 1: from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty three, where Bill really

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Speaker 1: controlled personnel, they only drafted two players that made a

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. One was a punter, the other was Mac Jones,

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Speaker 1: who made a Pro Bowl because a bunch of quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: opted out of the Pro Bowl. He was a poor

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Speaker 1: evaluator of college talent. He didn't do well now as

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Speaker 1: a defensive coach a plus plus plus. Best ever as

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Speaker 1: a culture creator a plus plus. I'm not saying Bill's

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Speaker 1: not smart and can't do things, but when he was

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Speaker 1: controlling the drafts and having to evaluate college talent. He

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Speaker 1: over evaluated average players all the time. And this Carolina

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Speaker 1: program just brought in forty transfers. That is all, come on, man,

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Speaker 1: that's half your roster and they're not landing like five

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Speaker 1: star transfer guys. They got some good players. We don't

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Speaker 1: know much about their quarterback, Geo Lopez. He played at

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Speaker 1: South Alabama, so and he also he's using Freddie Kitchens

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Speaker 1: as his offensive coordinator. And Freddie was an interim head

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Speaker 1: coach and ended up in the NFL being a tight

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Speaker 1: ends coach before he went to college, Like he didn't

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Speaker 1: have an NFL market, So is he going to work

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Speaker 1: at college? We'll see, nice enough guy, but like he

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Speaker 1: lost options in the NFL. That head coach thing at

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Speaker 1: Cleveland was a mess. And they're not asking them to

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Speaker 1: be a head coach. But is he the guy is

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Speaker 1: builds personnel up to snuff. So it's what makes Deon

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Speaker 1: Sanders at Colorado so interesting, is and I am I

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Speaker 1: remember the weekend that you know, like Dion got the

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Speaker 1: job on a Thursday or Friday or something, and I

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Speaker 1: remember thinking about it that weekend and I'm like, this

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Speaker 1: is not gonna work. He you know, he's college. Colorado

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Speaker 1: is kind of a quirky way left, you know, like

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Speaker 1: not really an athletic outside of skiing, not really an

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Speaker 1: athletic part of the country. Boulder, you know, we all

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Speaker 1: know Boulder. And it worked kind of, it got it

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Speaker 1: sold out games, Belichick will do that. It was got

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Speaker 1: good TV ratings, Belichick will do that, but mostly lost

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Speaker 1: with good teams. And you know, the hype was real

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Speaker 1: and fun. And I still like watching Colorado with Dion.

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Speaker 1: It still gets me to a TV set, But I

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Speaker 1: have no idea how good the team's going to be.

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Speaker 1: And I look at the scheduled, I'm like, oh, they've

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Speaker 1: got to win ten games. I've talked myself into actually

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Speaker 1: them losing to TCU. I know it's at home, but

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Speaker 1: I know what I get with TCU. I have no

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Speaker 1: idea what I get with them. Yesterday somebody was talking

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Speaker 1: to Bill Belichick and asked in the difference between college

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Speaker 1: football and pro football.

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Speaker 9: And we've done a lot more live work here than

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Speaker 9: we ever did in the NFL at any team I

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Speaker 9: was ever wrong. So that part of it's been actually

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Speaker 9: an interesting thing to see. You know, some of the

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Speaker 9: coaches that are on our staff that've had a lot

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Speaker 9: of college experience have talked about the necessity to do

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Speaker 9: that again obviously about preseason games. It's you know, we

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Speaker 9: do need to do and we've done it.

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Speaker 1: So remember after two seasons of Colorado with a Heisman

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Speaker 1: Trophy winner at quarterback, you know, I mean, my bad

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Speaker 1: Travis Hunter won the Heisman, but Shitter was really good.

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Speaker 1: So with a star quarter back and the best player

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Speaker 1: in college football, Travis Hunter, they were thirteen and twelve,

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Speaker 1: right right, So Shoulder was a say what you want

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Speaker 1: shouldar was a really good college quarterback at the most

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Speaker 1: important pay. He was a really good college quarterback and

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Speaker 1: Travis Hunters an insane o tawny level athlete potentially in

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Speaker 1: thirteen twelve, and they got doused a lot by the

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Speaker 1: good teams. And I think it's fair. You could say, well,

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Speaker 1: Belichick's a better coach. No, Belichick's better pro coach, But

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Speaker 1: I mean Deon Sanders, pre Colorado was racking up wins

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Speaker 1: in college, How do we know that Dion's not the

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Speaker 1: better college coach than Belichick? Dion won his first college job,

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Speaker 1: won his conference, and Colorado was a mess before Dion

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Speaker 1: got there, Dion made them viable first game against the

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Speaker 1: good TCU team, or at least TCU was a good program.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that team was that great. So

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of unproven stuff and a lot of

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Speaker 1: I don't knows. Greg co Sales joining us Top of

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Speaker 1: the Hour Urban Meyer, who says I just read a

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Speaker 1: quote this morning that Jim Harbmarsh should be suspended in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. I'm gonna push back on that coming up next.

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Speaker 1: So Vegas rarely makes a mistake on betting lines, almost never,

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Speaker 1: and futures they didn't make a mistake in my opinion

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Speaker 1: last year twice. I pled with you last year bet

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Speaker 1: the over on Sean Payton and the Broncos bet the

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Speaker 1: over on Washington, and we hit on both hos. I

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Speaker 1: thought those were obvious mistakes. I think they've made only

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Speaker 1: one this year where I just think they made a

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Speaker 1: mistake and it's an opportunity for you to jump in

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Speaker 1: and make some letus on it. I think they made

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Speaker 1: one clear mistake and I'll talk about that next in

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Speaker 1: the hurt. Be sure to catch live editions of The

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Speaker 1: Herd weekdays in noon eastern non a em Pacific. Phil

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Speaker 1: and DJ.

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Speaker 2: Some of the biggest names in golf are teeing it

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Speaker 2: up for the Live Golf Team Championship in Michigan. Catch

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Speaker 2: coverage of the quarterfinals tomorrow at two pm Eastern, the

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Speaker 2: semi finals Saturday at noon, and the finals Sunday at

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Speaker 2: four point thirty, all on Fox.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Indianapolis showed up in a big, big way,

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Speaker 1: huge crowds in India. It was wild to watch. Michigan

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Speaker 1: may break those records. Michigan's a great golf state, by

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Speaker 1: the way, underrated golf state. So there's a difference between

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Speaker 1: something crazy happening and a mistake. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: struggle during COVID. A lot of businesses struggled during COVID.

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Speaker 1: Nobody can predict a pandemic, right like, it's some stuff.

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Speaker 1: Just businesses could not survive. A lot of great restaurants

558
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Speaker 1: just could not survive. Doesn't mean they're bad restaurants. So

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Speaker 1: Vegas does not make a lot of mistakes. Last year,

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Speaker 1: when Minnesota reeled off like fourteen wins, that wasn't a

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Speaker 1: mistake by Vegas. That was an outlier. Nobody thought Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnold would be the best quarterback in the league for

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Speaker 1: fourteen weeks. Nobody saw that coming, including Kevin O'Connell. That's

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Speaker 1: not a mistake by Vegas. They made just two mistakes

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Speaker 1: last year. On Future Bets, they had Washington at six

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Speaker 1: and a half and I went on the air. I said, folks,

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Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels is going to look a lot like Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: He's got a lot of college starts. He's electric. And

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Speaker 1: they flushed out all those toxic people in the organization,

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Speaker 1: specifically Dan Snyder, and they bring in really really smart,

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Speaker 1: smart people. They're gonna do better. They're gonna do I

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Speaker 1: didn't think they'd go twelve and five, but I'm like,

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Speaker 1: this is they're gonna get to seven, eight, nine wins

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Speaker 1: on Dan Quinn, Cliff Kingsbury, Jade and Daniels, Terry McLaury.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna win. That was a mistake by Vegas. Then

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Speaker 1: they had the Broncos at five and a half wins,

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Speaker 1: and I said, you've got to be kidding me, Sean Payton,

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Speaker 1: A loan's getting you the six bo Nicks has sixty

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Speaker 1: one college starts, They've got a top ten twelve roster.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many games they're gonna win. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I'm I'm not sure if they're a playoff team,

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Speaker 1: but they're gonna be a seven, eight, nine, ten win

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Speaker 1: They're not a five win team. So those were mistakes.

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Speaker 1: Vegas doesn't make a lot of it. Minnesota's not a mistake.

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Speaker 1: It's just good. Hell was Sam Donold on fire for

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Speaker 1: the first fourteen weeks. Nobody knew that. I went through

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Speaker 1: all the future bets today the AFC, I think they're

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Speaker 1: right on the money with everybody. I don't think they

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Speaker 1: made a mistake in the AFC. There's a couple of

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Speaker 1: teams in the NFC, and by the way, it's not

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Speaker 1: the Bears. The Bears are at eight and a half.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly where they should be. I think optimistically they

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Speaker 1: win nine a little less optimistically, eight wins feels about right.

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Speaker 1: They struggle in division Chicago is you know, twelve years,

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Speaker 1: I think once or twice they've had like an above

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Speaker 1: five hundred or five hundred record against their division. They

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Speaker 1: don't beat Green Bay, and they're not as good right

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Speaker 1: now as Detroit, and if JJ McCarthy can play, they

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Speaker 1: could get swept by Minnesota. That's a good number for

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Speaker 1: Chicago's eight nine win team. That's what they are. But

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Speaker 1: here's one that I think is a glaring mistake. Seattle

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Speaker 1: at eight and a half. So Seattle went ten and

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Speaker 1: seven last year with a rookie head coach, figuring out

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Speaker 1: how to be a head coach and creating a culture

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Speaker 1: on the fly. Gino Smith was the quarterback and the

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Speaker 1: offensive line was hutred thirty first. According to PFF. Well,

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Speaker 1: they've certainly helped solve the offensive line drafting Gray Zabel,

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Speaker 1: who is grabbing and picking up players like Chris Jones

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Speaker 1: in the preseason. He's been unbelievable. And Sam Darnold, to me,

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Speaker 1: is an upgrade. The other thing to think about was Seattle.

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Speaker 1: They got the AFC in the NFC South, the two

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Speaker 1: weakest divisions, so they played New Orleans and Tampa and

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Speaker 1: the Colts at home. Jacksonville. They play huge at home,

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Speaker 1: I mean Tennessee at Tennessee. I got a much better

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Speaker 1: roster than Tennessee. So it would you be shocked if

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Speaker 1: they got six out of eight games against the AFC

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Speaker 1: and NFC South. Would you be shocked if they won

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Speaker 1: six hosting New Orleans, hosting Tampa, hosting Houston, hosting the

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Speaker 1: Colts and at Carolina and at Jacksonville are not big

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Speaker 1: home field advantages, so I think they could win six

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Speaker 1: games just against the AFC and NFC South. Also, San

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Speaker 1: Francisco is falling apart, and Seattle gets to open at

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Speaker 1: home against San Francisco. Their wide receiving corps is falling apart.

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Speaker 1: And by the way they play the Rams in week

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Speaker 1: eleven and week sixteen, will Matt Stafford be standing upright?

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Speaker 1: We know Matt's going to be ready for the opener.

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Speaker 1: Is he going to be available? So I to me,

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Speaker 1: I hate the over at eight and a half, I

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Speaker 1: just year two of a head coach. They got the

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Speaker 1: culture built. I mean, Sam Darnold an upgrade maybe slight

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Speaker 1: over Gino. Offensive line can't be as bad as it

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Speaker 1: was last year. And their schedule AFC, NFC South heavy

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Speaker 1: favorites in some of those games, like New Orleans at home,

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Speaker 1: and they're healthier at running back than last year. So

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Speaker 1: you know, people say, oh, they lost DK Metcalf. There's

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Speaker 1: a reason they moved DK Metcalf. He was viewed as

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a distraction. Now there's one other team.

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Speaker 1: Now I wouldn't make a big bet, but I do

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Speaker 1: think Green Bay at nine and a half is undervaluing

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Speaker 1: the Packers. Again, they won double digits last year, and

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Speaker 1: I'll argue that Jordan Love was not healthy the entire year.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't healthy early and he didn't look like he

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Speaker 1: was healthy late. And again, if you look at that schedule, oh,

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Speaker 1: once again you got some you got some Carolina at

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Speaker 1: home and Cleveland, and there's some very very favorable matchups.

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Speaker 1: New York Giants, Carolina, They're just better than those teams.

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Speaker 1: So I think nine and a half, although the schedule

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Speaker 1: is tough. You know, they open with Detroit and Washington,

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Speaker 1: but they're both at home. So those are those are

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Speaker 1: tough openers, both at home, and their buys a little early,

651
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Speaker 1: but they do get a buy before before they host

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. So if Joe Burrow is the best quarterback

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Speaker 1: you will face, and I believe he is, because they

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Speaker 1: don't play Kansas City and they don't play Buffalo. If

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is the best quarterback, you get two weeks

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Speaker 1: to prepare for him at home. So again that's a

657
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Speaker 1: little bit of a scheduling break. It's always easier you

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Speaker 1: come in and rested, you come in healthy. Yer off

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Speaker 1: the buye. I mean, we know what Brady did when

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00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: he got the buy in Tampa. Seven and five became

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Speaker 1: don't lose another. So last year they went eleven and

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Speaker 1: six without a healthy quarterback. And by the way, they

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Speaker 1: were really young at wide receiver. They still are, but

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Speaker 1: all those guys except their first round pick are a

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Speaker 1: year older. And remember, the division has been a little loud.

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Speaker 1: Chicago's been noisy, Minnesota been a little noisy. Detroit lost

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Speaker 1: their coordinator. So Detroit will not be as good as

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Speaker 1: last year. That is a fact. They're not going to

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Speaker 1: be as good. Chicago should be better, but we don't know.

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Speaker 1: And Minnesota is a mystery. I mean, I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: say this. I'm going to make a bold prediction. Minnesota

672
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Speaker 1: is not winning fourteen games. I'm going to go with that.

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Speaker 1: I feel strongly about that. So I think Seattle at

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Speaker 1: eight and a half, I see them as a ten

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Speaker 1: win team, maybe eleven, and green Bay nine and a half.

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Speaker 1: I just think the Packers are winning ten games. The

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love injury is non throwing hand. I don't worry

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Speaker 1: about that. I don't worry about that. Yes, the green

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Speaker 1: Bay roster is young, but it's a year older than

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Speaker 1: last year when it was the youngest roster. So the

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Speaker 1: good thing about young rosters when players get hurt, they

682
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Speaker 1: will recover more quickly. That is the upside. NFL is

683
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Speaker 1: getting younger across the board. But young rosters heel quickly.

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Speaker 1: Old rosters do not. So John Greg Cosell, Top of

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Speaker 1: the Hour, I let's just stay with Seattle. And I

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Speaker 1: know I'm from the Northwest, but I don't think I'm

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Speaker 1: a Northwest homer. I've banged on the Seahawks. I also think, well,

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Speaker 1: let's play a bite first. Here's Matt Hasselback. He's high

689
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Speaker 1: on Seattle too. Let's play the Hassleback bite, and then

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Speaker 1: we can react to it.

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Speaker 10: People are pinching themselves like, this is the best the

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Speaker 10: Seahawks have looked in the preseason in a long while,

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Speaker 10: long while. So it is preseason, but I think you see,

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Speaker 10: like getting rid of Tyler Lockett, DK Metcalf, You're scratching

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Speaker 10: your head and then you're saying to yourself, like, what's

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Speaker 10: the plan.

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Speaker 1: Well, the plan is to be a physical, be the.

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Speaker 10: Hammer not the nail kind of a run game and

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Speaker 10: call more runs thanes and then play great defense. Last year,

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Speaker 10: the sex didn't make the playoffs, but they were a

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Speaker 10: top ten defense in the NFL. And I think they're

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Speaker 10: they're you know, I think they're looking to and expecting

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Speaker 10: to take a jump again this year.

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Speaker 1: So I think John between good drafts, some stuff happening

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Speaker 1: in division getting the Niners in Week one when they're

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Speaker 1: falling apart physically at wide receiver. I do think there's

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Speaker 1: these little breaks you get facing the AFC NFC South Zabel,

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Speaker 1: the draft pick, has been a monster on the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel as strongly as I do about Seattle?

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Speaker 2: I thought Seattle, of all the teams that have division

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Speaker 2: winning potential, have the craziest longest odds, Like you typically can't.

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Speaker 1: Get a team that had the same record.

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Speaker 2: It's not like Day won ten games last year and

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Speaker 2: the team that won their division one fourteen or fifteen

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Speaker 2: the Rams had the same record.

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Speaker 1: Seattle wins that division last year.

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Speaker 2: If Sam Donald doesn't make the play of his career,

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Speaker 2: you know, and then when he threw that touchdown to

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Speaker 2: the left kel of the ends up Seattle and then

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Speaker 2: in that cost you know, Mike McDonald.

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Speaker 1: Here's the other thing.

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Speaker 2: When you get a new coach he's taking over Jacksonville, Oakland, Vegas. Right,

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Speaker 2: these teams are terrible. Pete Carroll was fired quit. However

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Speaker 2: that thing shook out. They had won nine games, and

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Speaker 2: the previous two years with Pete Carroll they had won

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Speaker 2: nine games.

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Speaker 1: Now that had fallen from where they had been back

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Speaker 1: in their heyday.

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Speaker 2: But they were not some joke operation two years ago

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Speaker 2: or Pete second to last year. They made the playoffs

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Speaker 2: as a wild card team. So there are players on

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Speaker 2: this and they have one of the best gms in

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Speaker 2: the league. So they get a new quarterback, they get

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Speaker 2: a new offensive coordinator. Well, the quarterback and offensive coordinator

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Speaker 2: Kubiak know each other because Kubiak was on the staff

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Speaker 2: with Shanahan and San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: Now their wide receivers are a question mark. I think

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Speaker 1: that is fair.

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Speaker 2: But Mike McDonald, I think, would tell you we're going

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Speaker 2: to our defense is going to be so much better,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to run the ball. They Charbonay, the

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Speaker 2: Michigan guy that he transferred to UCLA, pretty high on him.

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Speaker 1: I've always liked Kenneth Walker. He's got to stay on

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Speaker 1: the field.

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Speaker 2: But running the ball, they got Jalen Milroy can bring

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Speaker 2: him in for some trick plays.

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Speaker 1: But to me, I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I think Seattle their roster is really really good and

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Speaker 2: getting that Niner game Week one, oh huge break. Now

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Speaker 2: it's at home, so you might have won it even

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Speaker 2: if they're healthy. But still, I mean, the Niners are

752
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: kind of in shambles right now healthwise. You know there's

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Speaker 2: no way around that. So I don't hate it at all.

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Speaker 2: I think Seattle could easily win eleven twelve games.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Greg Cosell Urban Meyer, Greg is coming up

756
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Speaker 1: right around the corner. There's a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 1: We've seen starters playing, We've seen this year's preseason better

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Speaker 1: than last year's, more high end guys on the field,