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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I am Dale Lalli. He is

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Speaker 1: the Matt Williamson and it is a Wednesday here, Matt.

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Speaker 1: We're getting closer and closer to YEA to Steelers Seahawks,

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Speaker 1: and uh, well, you know this is really this is

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Speaker 1: a playoff game, pretty dun close. It's almost that way

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Speaker 1: for both teams.

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Speaker 2: Not quite as much for Seattle.

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Speaker 1: They could drop one and still get in with a win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially the way like the Vikings are playing.

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Speaker 1: They might even be able to drop both their final

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Speaker 1: two games and back into the playoffs. But I know

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Speaker 1: they don't want to make it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah way, yeah, no, but it's going to be quite

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Speaker 2: the environment. It's going to be almost a playoff atmosphere,

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Speaker 2: brutal place to play to begin with. Steelers haven't had

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Speaker 2: success there in decades. So no, I think it's going

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Speaker 2: to be an interesting game. And more I dig into Seattle,

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Speaker 2: they've got issues. I mean, this isn't is this isn't

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Speaker 2: like boys, you's got no shot in this one. I

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Speaker 2: mean there's some things that's set up pretty well for Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: I'm real big, I'm looking at you know, last four weeks.

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Speaker 2: This is them in Green Bay are like the second

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Speaker 2: best offense in the league over the last month, but

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Speaker 2: the worst defense in the league of the month, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, and I think you can live with that.

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Speaker 1: Let's go, let's go over that ruster because we often

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Speaker 1: do with some of these teams that the Steelers don't

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Speaker 1: face a lot because you just don't see them very much.

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Speaker 2: No, it's very true.

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Speaker 1: Uh So at wide receiver for the Seahawks, you got

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Speaker 1: DK Metcalf, Tyler Lockett, Jackson Smith and Jigma the great

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Speaker 1: Jake Bobo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they like them a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he's still out, but that that foursome is pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's real good. I mean, the top three are

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Speaker 2: really strong. I think Lockett's taken a small step back

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Speaker 2: this year, but he's still it does really good work,

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Speaker 2: especially against zone coverage. DK is the one, and they

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Speaker 2: use him a ton down by the goal line.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think Smith and Jagob is my number

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Speaker 1: one receiver in this draft.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they both did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's been fine. I mean, he's been quite good,

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Speaker 2: and I think the long term plan will be him

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Speaker 2: and Metcalf is the one and two before long. You know,

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Speaker 2: but they're they're stat right.

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Speaker 1: Like they decided to stick. Metcalf's a people talk about

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Speaker 1: George Pickens and some.

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Speaker 2: Of the volatility.

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Speaker 1: The volatility of DK Metcalf is real.

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Speaker 2: It's very real. Everyone knows you get under his skin

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Speaker 2: and he falls for it all the time and takes

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Speaker 2: dumb penal. Right, Yeah, yeah, I don't know if they'll

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Speaker 2: extend him or not. I mean, he's gonna be expensive.

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Speaker 1: That would be a that would be a legitimate discussion

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Speaker 1: that you know. Yeah, we love DK the player, but

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Speaker 1: DK the on You know, DK the player. You can't

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Speaker 1: separate the way he some of the things that he

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Speaker 1: does on the not off the field. I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's any problem with him often.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's a bad guy or anything.

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Speaker 1: But it's all the on the field stuff, fighting other

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Speaker 1: players and injections, Yeah, getting ejected, dumbation.

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Speaker 2: Everybody knows it. They're gonna all pick on him and

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Speaker 2: pick up that wound. I do like how they've staggered

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Speaker 2: their receivers though, all three or a different style and

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Speaker 2: they're all very different aged, you know, so priced as well.

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Speaker 2: So it's a good situation they have there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good group and I would give them

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Speaker 1: the edge of the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: I would too. I would too. I think Lockett and

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Speaker 2: Deontay are sort of similar. I think Metcalf and Pickens

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Speaker 2: are sort of similar. And JSN you'd love to have

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Speaker 2: on this team, right, yeah, you know, and we even

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Speaker 2: talked about him. Hey anyway, right in our draft prep,

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Speaker 2: I like him.

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Speaker 1: What uh their offensive line?

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Speaker 2: This is crazy? This?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So this right now? It's Charles Cross at left tackle.

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Speaker 2: He's been a success.

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Speaker 1: I mean Amy and Lewis at right tackle or I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: left guard, Evan Brown at center, Anthony Bradford at right

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Speaker 1: Abraham Lucas at right tackle.

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Speaker 2: I guess that's what it is right now. Yeah, because

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Speaker 2: it has been it's been like an unbelievable revolving door.

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Speaker 2: We've referenced this a couple of times. But once a week,

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Speaker 2: the Pro Football Focus puts out their O line rankings

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Speaker 2: Steelers moved up a couple spots. They're in like sixteen

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Speaker 2: get to Seattle, and that's why I clicked on. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: who is their line right now because it's changed so much.

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Speaker 2: I think they were twenty ninth or thirtieth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that doesn't even include Jason Peters in the

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Speaker 2: Sometimes he's plays guard, sometimes he plays tackle. Snap the

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Speaker 2: still can hang on. So when I read that, I'm like, literally, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So I looked, I'm like, so, who's been playing there?

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Speaker 2: How many injuries have they had? So they've had ten

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Speaker 2: different offensive linemen play over one hundred snaps this year.

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Speaker 2: They've had nine of them play two hundred and fifteen

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not a good situation. Yeah, And I'm

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Speaker 1: I think so as well. I mean, Abraham Lucas against TJ.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Cross is their best guy who was a first

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Lucas was a third rounder last year. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: No people got super excited about him. They got these

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Speaker 2: great pair of tackles. They have a really good left

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Speaker 1: Yeah, at tight end you got Noah Fan, will Disley,

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Speaker 2: It's three weeks in a row. They faced like tight

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Speaker 2: trade looks pretty good for Seattle. Yeah, as we speak. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but he's not super dangerous.

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Speaker 1: And he's he's a pass catching tight end who doesn't

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Speaker 2: Right. He's a first round pick out of Iowa that

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Speaker 2: doesn't look like you know, some of these tight ends

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Speaker 2: So they go get the Joe Draft Smith and Jigbo,

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Speaker 2: thinking well, they'll probably go to eleven a lot more.

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Speaker 2: They haven't. They go to thirteen thirteen, you know, the

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Speaker 2: exact opposite though. Yeah. Yeah, and I think they helped

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Speaker 2: their tackles a lot too. Yeah, you know they'rerow line.

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Speaker 1: Uh at quarterback. So before we get to that, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think the Steelers have an edge on the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: To your rankings, are she talked about it tight end?

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Speaker 1: I think I would take the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Friar moves better than all their guys. Uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, I think Washington's more promising than any of their

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Speaker 1: Quarterback is Gino Smith and Drew Locke. Okay, five years ago,

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Speaker 2: Oh oh oh yeah. I thought Pete Carroll was insane

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Speaker 2: basically he made it clear it's gonna be locker Gino Smith.

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Speaker 2: I mean at that point that was like, what are

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Speaker 2: After trade and Wilson made it work, Gino had a

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Speaker 2: really good year. They extended him. I think he's good,

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Speaker 2: he didn't finish last year real strong. Locke's been good

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Speaker 2: off the bench. I mean, yeah, it's it's okay, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think he'd obviously give the Seahawks

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Speaker 1: it's not a huge a chasm against some other teams.

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Speaker 2: Agreed, agreed. Yeah, And I'm curious about Locke. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I know that's not he probably he's not gonna play

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Speaker 2: to like him, but I feel like they should draft

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Speaker 2: one this year maybe too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. At running back, it's Kenneth Walker, Zach Sharboney, DJ

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Speaker 1: they both catch a ball reasonably well.

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Speaker 2: They do. I like their pairing a lot. Sharbona reminds

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Speaker 2: me of little juicier James Connor, which I mean is

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Speaker 2: a compliment. I mean, does it all well physical but

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Speaker 2: not ultra dynamic in any way, shape or form. Walker's

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Speaker 2: not a developed receiver coming out of Michigan State. He's

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Speaker 2: only caught like twenty five passes this yere. But you

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Speaker 2: get him in space.

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Speaker 1: Is hard to get down. It's dangerous, and he's.

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Speaker 2: A dynamic player. Mike pursuit of adorism, of course, but I'm

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Speaker 2: sure we talking about him with on Thursday with Mike.

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Speaker 2: But Walker to me would be six seventh, eighth best

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Speaker 2: running back in the league right now. Yeah, it's some

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Speaker 1: To me, But I look at that matchup, I think

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Speaker 2: I would take Seattle's but it's close.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think I think if you're matching these guys

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Speaker 2: Walker is my first pick.

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Speaker 1: But then Harrison and the Steelers running backs to the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's close.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that it is.

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Speaker 2: I think Sharbon is a good player, I don't know that.

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Speaker 1: He's I don't know that he's at the level of

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Speaker 1: either Jayla Warren or Njie Harris. Four.

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Speaker 2: For me, I mean that's for sure, I would lean

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you go strictly on production, the Steelers

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Speaker 2: They do, they do. I mean a huge problem with Seattle.

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Speaker 2: They get out rushed every week. Yeah, I mean they

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So on their defensive line, well, they traded for

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Speaker 2: Jones is a really good interior pass rusher. They gave

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Speaker 1: Someone can hold it down. And yeah, yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't put Jones with those guys. I mean, I'd

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Speaker 2: and the other guys have flashed, you know, but they're

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Speaker 2: Mafay is nine, Reid As seven. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you got Jordan Brooks, who's first round draft pick

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I mean that's a problem area for them

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Speaker 2: I think I take anyone with the Steelers right now.

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Speaker 1: The difference. The difference is is the Steelers line actually

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Speaker 1: You get Devin Witherspoon, Trey we.

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Speaker 1: I'll get I'll take a Steelers cornerback situation.

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Speaker 2: Witherspoon's out. It's an easy one.

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Speaker 1: And then it's safety.

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Speaker 1: They've got over thirty million dollars just this year. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: safety money, and they have a lot invested in those guys.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Wagner's particularly cheap. Brooks next to them

437
00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:16,840
Speaker 2: is the first round pick. You know, they have a

438
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Speaker 2: lot invested in their defense. Talking about all second yeah,

439
00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,679
Speaker 2: I mean gave up a second just now for Leonard Williams.

440
00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,639
Speaker 2: He paid Draymont Jones huge money.

441
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Speaker 1: And you'd think you have to pay Leonard Williams after

442
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Speaker 1: trading a second round pick for him. You can't just

443
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Speaker 1: let him.

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Speaker 2: Walk, I would think not.

445
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Speaker 1: I mean, you'll get a three back because somebody will

446
00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,440
Speaker 1: sign him to a big deal, But you don't get

447
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:35,560
Speaker 1: that three for two years.

448
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Speaker 2: I mean he's franchised like three years ago. I don't

449
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,800
Speaker 2: know if he's a franchisable player at this point. I

450
00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,320
Speaker 2: get the impression they didn't overlap at USC, but I

451
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Speaker 2: think Williams and Carroll have a great relationship through the

452
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Speaker 2: Trojans or whatever. So maybe they have a handshake deal

453
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Speaker 2: that you'll retire a seahawk and once have been the

454
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Speaker 2: West Coast. I don't know, but a lot to give.

455
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Speaker 1: Up, I mean to you know, you can't make that

456
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Speaker 1: deal and then give away that. I mean again, you're

457
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Speaker 1: you're getting the third round pick, but you don't get

458
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Speaker 1: the third round pick until next year.

459
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Speaker 2: It's a second for a third, but you used to

460
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Speaker 2: wait a year. Yeah, on the depreciation and you lose

461
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,920
Speaker 2: the player, and you lose the player and you got

462
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Speaker 2: to do something to replace them because they're not good

463
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Speaker 2: enough there to not live without them, right, Yeah, and

464
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Speaker 2: he probably doesn't put you over the top, No, I

465
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Speaker 2: mean maybe worse off without them.

466
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Speaker 1: I understand why they made the deal when they made

467
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Speaker 1: the deal at that point, there's you know, there was

468
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Speaker 1: a point at this season when they were in first

469
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Speaker 1: place in San Francisco is the second.

470
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what they made the deal likely. Yeah.

471
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Speaker 2: Then they lost four games in a row against really

472
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Speaker 2: tough teams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

474
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Speaker 2: Right, So I do think that's a good team. But

475
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Speaker 2: the defense is weird.

476
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's definitely vulnerable. It's very vulnerable, especially

477
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Speaker 1: as currently constructed. I mean, you take Adams Witherspoon. No

478
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Speaker 1: matter what you think of Adams, he's still a starter

479
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Speaker 1: for them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he plays a lot.

481
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Adams, Witherspoon and Jordan Brooks off the defense.

482
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Speaker 2: They're some of the better guys. Yeah, that's their best linebacker,

483
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Speaker 2: their best corner, and Adams is a wild card.

484
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Speaker 1: A couple of years ago as their leading socker.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I did see today. I was actually

486
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 2: fiddling in the lobby just now. Their past defense at

487
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 2: home has been noticeably better on the road, and they're

488
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Speaker 2: definitely better against the pass than the run. It's tough,

489
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Speaker 2: w display, I mean, I'm sure communication is tough. Protection

490
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 2: is a little bit harder, and I think there's only

491
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Speaker 2: four teams that have more sacks than Seattle, even though

492
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Speaker 2: they don't have a superstar pass rusher, you know so,

493
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Speaker 2: and I bet most of them coming home. Yeah, Nate

494
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Speaker 2: would worry about It's it's.

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Speaker 1: A very very loud building. I've been there. Everyone says that, Yeah,

496
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Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's one of these places they

497
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Speaker 1: put the way that they build it. It's a big

498
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Speaker 1: concrete building that's totally totally enclosed and the seats are

499
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Speaker 1: basically right on top of the fields. They built it

500
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Speaker 1: to be loud.

501
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and they accomplish it and they accomplished Manuri

502
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Speaker 2: and all that. Yeah, it's a great, great group of fans.

503
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Speaker 1: So I mean, I think you got to do some

504
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 1: things to take to take the crowd out of the game,

505
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Speaker 1: and if you can do that, you could be successful.

506
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Speaker 2: So they're horrendous on third downs, awful both sides. They

507
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 2: like this massive discrepancy, really really bad on third downs.

508
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,400
Speaker 2: But still if it's third and seven and their.

509
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Speaker 1: Building, you don't like that.

510
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 2: Thrilled about that, right? And the numbers can lie.

511
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, to your point five point six yards per carry,

512
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Speaker 1: you if you run on first down and run on

513
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Speaker 1: second down, you shouldn't be in third and seven, right,

514
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Speaker 1: you know, even if you get a two yard game

515
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Speaker 1: on first down, run it again, because there's a good

516
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Speaker 1: chance you'll get five or six or seven.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think that's the whole key of the game. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lallie. You're listening

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Speaker 1: to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be

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Speaker 1: back with more right after this. Welcome back. He is

521
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Speaker 1: the Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lallie. You're listening to

522
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Speaker 1: the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. And Matt, you

523
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Speaker 1: asked me a questionnaire during your break.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I didn't get a chance to look at it here,

526
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Speaker 1: but Gino Smith against pressure this season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't get the impression watching him that he excels

528
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Speaker 2: that in there. But I don't know the answer.

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Speaker 1: He's been sacked pretty often this year, including a six

530
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Speaker 1: sac game against San Francisco. There was a four sack

531
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Speaker 1: game against Baltimore that's when they lost thirty seven to three.

532
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati got him four times in a seventeen thirteen loss. Uh,

533
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Speaker 1: they one that San Francisco game was six sacks. That

534
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Speaker 1: was in Seattle.

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Speaker 2: That was a home game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they gotta be thirty one to thirteen. So looking

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Speaker 1: here at his uh his splits for twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: let's look here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious. I mean to look it up.

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Speaker 1: This is great radio. It's right here on the all right.

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Speaker 2: That's how we do things. We throw a little throw

542
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Speaker 2: an idea out there. Go look it up for radio

543
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Speaker 2: on the right path or not.

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Speaker 1: So this season, when he has less how about this,

545
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Speaker 1: so time in pocket. This is the exact opposite of

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Speaker 1: most quarterbacks. Okay, when he has less than two point

547
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Speaker 1: five seconds to throw.

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Speaker 2: That's often like the magic number of Yes, you know, he.

549
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Speaker 1: Can play sixty five percent of his passes, which is

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Speaker 1: h ten touchdowns, eight interceptions, only been sacked four times.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean you're gonna get sacked less than yeah.

552
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Speaker 1: Those two point five seconds or more. He completed sixty

553
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Speaker 1: three points seven nine percent of his passes, but he

554
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Speaker 1: has seven touchdown passes, only one interception, but he's been

555
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Speaker 1: sacked twenty six times.

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Speaker 2: Okay, makes sense. He's not nearly as elusive as you

557
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Speaker 2: would think. For one thing, you know, he's not a

558
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Speaker 2: run around guy. He moves. Okay, of course you're gonna

559
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 2: take more sacks later in the down than Daly, but

560
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Speaker 2: you would think, boy, that's pretty big.

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Speaker 1: Interceptions, Like, I wonder if people are jumping some of

562
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Speaker 1: the timing routes for him, or I wonder why that.

563
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Speaker 2: Maybe he's just got unlucky with tip balls or something,

564
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Speaker 2: or I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, I so all nine of his interceptions this season,

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Speaker 1: he has seventeen touchdown passes and nine interceptions have come

567
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Speaker 1: when they've been in shotgun. When when they're under center,

568
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Speaker 1: he's thrown no interceptions.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know their shotgun percentage. I mean, do

570
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Speaker 2: they live in shotgun. I'm sure there are heavy it's

571
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Speaker 2: pretty yeah, pretty heavy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, split towards towards the shotgun stuff.

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Speaker 2: So when I did all my like preliminary work on

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Speaker 2: these guys, just one of the things I do is

575
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Speaker 2: I go to a bunch of different databases and there's

576
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Speaker 2: like twenty categories I care about, and I just sort them,

577
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Speaker 2: and I want to see people that are in like

578
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Speaker 2: the top eight or the bottom eight. He was like

579
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Speaker 2: nowhere to be found. I mean, he's even steven all

580
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Speaker 2: the way through.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have averages.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like boy he holds a ball forever,

583
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Speaker 2: or like last year any accuracy metric, he was at

584
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Speaker 2: the top of the league, deep passing, accuracy, over expectations,

585
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 2: all those things when they don't count drops. This year

586
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Speaker 2: he's in the middle. You know, which I think is

587
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Speaker 2: more who he is.

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Speaker 1: He's even if you look at his home road splits,

589
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Speaker 1: they'refore and two at home when he starts okay, see

590
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Speaker 1: six starts at home, sixty five point four eight percent

591
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Speaker 1: completion percentage, eight touchdowns, five interceptions, you get an eighty

592
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Speaker 1: nine point nine passer rating. Been sacked fourteen times, fine

593
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Speaker 1: yards per averages six point nine three On the road,

594
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Speaker 1: he has seven starts, they're three and four. In those starts,

595
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Speaker 1: he's completing sixty four point three two percent of his passes,

596
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Speaker 1: so not that much different.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, nine touchdowns, four interceptions. He's got a ninety point

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Speaker 1: nine passer rating at home or on the.

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Speaker 2: Road, so not even a huge discrepancy there. Yeah, he

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Speaker 2: doesn't have massive tendencies this season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he's been hurt kind of good a

603
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Speaker 1: ninety his passer rating for the years, like ninety it's

604
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Speaker 1: ninety point four, not great, not bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of what he minus, sir C plus.

606
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Speaker 2: You know, like he's okay.

607
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Speaker 1: So if you can figure out a way to coach

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Speaker 1: the coach a C minus game out of him, yeah

609
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Speaker 1: right right, you know that's that's where you can win

610
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Speaker 1: this game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and again Smith Didjigbo worries me maybe more than

612
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Speaker 2: metcalf or Lockett, just because the slot situation.

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Speaker 1: Man he started the recent weeks has been more and

614
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Speaker 1: more loss Pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if Porter and d K can battle

616
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Speaker 2: to a draw, Lockett still presents problems, of course, like

617
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 2: they're gonna score points. Yeah, I'm pretty con we mentioned

618
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: the over yesterday. I'm thinking that more and more unless

619
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Speaker 2: the Steelers can just totally shorten the clock. But what's

620
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Speaker 2: also kind of interesting, their time of possession is horrendous too.

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Speaker 2: It's last in the league, so they're not gonna hold

622
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Speaker 2: the ball forever against you. They hold the ball for

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Speaker 2: like twenty seven minutes. They're last in the league in

624
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Speaker 2: penalty yardage as well, so they shoot themselves in the

625
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Speaker 2: foot a lot. They're okay with turnovers, not great, they're

626
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Speaker 2: like a little above average, you know.

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Speaker 1: So if you look at the receiving breakdown, yeah, Lockett

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Speaker 1: has he leads them with seventy six catches okay, for

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and thirteen yards, metcalfs at sixty for nine

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Speaker 1: to ninety eight.

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Speaker 2: He think he was injured at all?

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Speaker 1: Right, No, he's played well, he's played fourteen.

633
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Speaker 2: Games, he's missed one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he leads him with eight touchdowns. Lock At to

635
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Speaker 1: second with four Smith and Jigba has fifty nine catches

636
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Speaker 1: for six hundred and two yards and three tyss.

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00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 2: Okay, he's been good.

638
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Then then there's a drop off down to Noah

639
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: Fan with twenty seven sharponas twenty six Kenneth Walker has

640
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Speaker 1: twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Okay, there are some trends with those guys, so Smith

642
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 2: and Jigba. His average depth of target is third lowest

643
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 2: in the league, but his average yards perception is better.

644
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: You know, he's he's eighth in average yards after the catch,

645
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 2: so they're getting it to him quick, but he's still

646
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 2: pretty dangerous with it. Lockett's kind of the opposite now,

647
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 2: like he averages the fewest yards after first contact, Like

648
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 2: if you you nick him with a with a he

649
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: goes down thumb or whatever. He goes down and he's

650
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Speaker 2: almost like the I'm saving my body at this stage

651
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: of the game. But he is nineteen targets over the

652
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Speaker 2: last two weeks. I mean it's not like he's just

653
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: fading away slow.

654
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I mean he's always he leads him in

655
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: targets with one hundred and thirteen. Okay, Metcalf has one

656
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: oh five. Smith than jig was eighty six, and then

657
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: you go all the way down to fant at thirty seven.

658
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: So it's really it's all those final to those three guys.

659
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, even though they do play a lot of twelve

660
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: and thirteen Yeah, yeah, I mean they drafted them for

661
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: a reason, and yeah, that makes all the sense in.

662
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: The world, you know, And like you said, they'll use

663
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,479
Speaker 1: multiple tight ends. Here Fant has twenty seven catches, then

664
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: you got Kolby Parkinson with twenty, Will Disley has fourteen,

665
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: and who's the last one, Well, the other guy doesn't

666
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: hasn't caught a ball yet. Those three tight ends are

667
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: the Yeah. So if you I mean, if you add

668
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: all that tight end production up, you got a decent.

669
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good player. Yeah, I mean, obviously tight

670
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: ends and running backs were a big concern of ours

671
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: a week ago preparing for Cincinnati. Still are I think

672
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: still are?

673
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: Yeah?

674
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 2: Though that got solved? Or is any different? What's sharbonnet

675
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: and Walker's targets and catch distribution?

676
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: So Sharboney has twenty six catches on thirty three targets

677
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: only one hundred and forty two yards though, so five

678
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: point five yards a catch, yeah, whereas Walker is at

679
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: twenty five on thirty three reap targets for two thirty four.

680
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: He's much different. Like if you get.

681
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: He's got he's got a sixty four yard catch it, Yeah,

682
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: Sharbone's got a thirty nine yard catch, So you take

683
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: that thirty nine yard catch out of the equation for

684
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: Sharboney catch and fall down, it's a lot of like

685
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: he probably drops down to about three yards per catch,

686
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: So that tells me it's a lot behind the line

687
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: of scrimmage.

688
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: It's just trying to yeah, yeah, yeah, dump it to him.

689
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: He doesn't make the first guy miss. Yeah yeah.

690
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: And really if you take the two thirty, if you

691
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: take the sixty four yard catch out of Walker's equation, uh,

692
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: that puts him at one seventy on twenty four catches.

693
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: It's not okay, yeah, yeah, nothing great, But neither one

694
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: of those guys are downfield. They're not McCaffrey runn wheel

695
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: routes or any of that kind of stuff.

696
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: Really, if you look at it, Lock at averages ten

697
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: point seven, Smith and Jig was at ten point two,

698
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: medcals at sixteen point six. The only other guy really

699
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: in that you know above that fantas thirteen point one.

700
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: Okay, none of those blow your doors off, No, I mean,

701
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: I think it's impressive that Smith and Jig is where

702
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: he's at considering his average depth the target is really low.

703
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: I mean, that's promising. He's really latterly agile.

704
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: I mean, which is what I liked about it.

705
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, we love that, you know. It was great in

706
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: the three cone and the shuttles and that kind of

707
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: stuff that shows up on tape and with the ball

708
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: in his hands.

709
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: One area I was looking at their in terms of

710
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: their d v o A. If you start looking at

711
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: that stuff with this team, they're pretty good on special teams.

712
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I say some of the special team stuff's pretty good.

713
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: I'm going to pull out a couple of things I

714
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: dug up too, was just basic return stuff.

715
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, just looking at the overall d v o

716
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: A rankings for both teams, here the Steelers are believing

717
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: or not folks slightly better. In terms of overall team

718
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: the Steelers are eleventh and overall d v o A

719
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: Seattle's fourteenth. The Steelers offense is fourteenth. Now in d

720
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: v o A no, I'm sorry.

721
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: Nineteenth nineteenth nineteenth fourteen seems yeah.

722
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: That's that's where they were at last week. Nineteenth and

723
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: overall offensive d v o A Seattle is twelfth.

724
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: Okay, they've been good lately, especially.

725
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: The Steelers defense is seventh in defensive DVA Seattle's twenty fourth. Interesting,

726
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: by the way, Cincinnati, who the Steelers just played. They're

727
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: twenty sixth, so that gives you some reference point there

728
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: of what you.

729
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: Look you're dealing with.

730
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then special teams wise, Seattle is eleventh in DVA,

731
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: the Steelers are nineteenth.

732
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: Okay, so here's where they do well on special teams

733
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: at least from what I gathered, is they're averaging ten

734
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: point four per punt return but allowed just six point eight.

735
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: Same as true kickoff return. They're averaging twenty sixth per

736
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: kickoff return compared to twenty one point eight. But you

737
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: mentioned this yesterday. Last in the Steeler Bengal game, there

738
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: was one special.

739
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 1: Special teams tackle. I couldn't believe it. I'm looking at

740
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: that and I'm like, there was only one special teams

741
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: tackle that entire game. Yeah, and I remember the tackle

742
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: because it was a heck of a play the boy

743
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: can made. Yeah, Like, oh, that was a really good

744
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: special teams tackle. Yeah it was. It was the only one.

745
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

746
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

747
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 2: I mean, it's late December, and those punt return kickoff

748
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: return discrepancies favor Seattle greatly. But I'd rather just have

749
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 2: a good kicker, you know, Like, yeah, returns don't matter

750
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: that much in the league. Anymore.

751
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: So Seattle. They've they've had twenty four punt returns this season.

752
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: It's DJ Dallas who's pretty good at that stuff. Yeah,

753
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: he has twenty four punt returns as long as thirty two. Okay,

754
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: he has fourteen kick returns. Dwayne Eskridge, who's out in

755
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: this game, has eight more, and then Kobe Parkinson has

756
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: won for sixteen yards, but they have Dallas has everaged

757
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: twenty five point six yards per return. They have twenty

758
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: three returns in their game, so they will bring it out.

759
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: Okay, it makes sense. Yeah, I mean they're good at it,

760
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: so do it.

761
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: The opponents against them have nineteen returns, so that seems

762
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: to be more where the league is like, yeah, most

763
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: teams would just we'll take it at the twenty five.

764
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, And so many bad things can happen,

765
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: So many penalties happen. You don't want to end up

766
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: up in the ten, you know, or fumble or all

767
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: those type of things. Most people are just content give

768
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: me a twenty.

769
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to holding penalty on this. It

770
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: backs me up, and yeah, I'm taking over at.

771
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: My own fifteen yeah yeah.

772
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 1: Or inside you know, even worse than that if depending

773
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: on where the holding penalty takes place.

774
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: So I'm going to touch on the penalty thing a

775
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 2: little bit too. So only two teams have committed more penalties,

776
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: but they have the most penalty yardage in the league. Wow,

777
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 2: sixty one a game. I mean, your hand in the tea.

778
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 2: That tells me the first I'm wondering if that already

779
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 2: Burns is dragging guys down on the sideline, if.

780
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: It's already Burns or who it might be. But it

781
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: tells me there's a lot of pass interference there.

782
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 2: So I usually don't dig into where the penalties come from,

783
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 2: but when I did, this might blow Steeler fans away,

784
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: because I frankly I was shocked too. The Steelers have

785
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: the fewest pre snap penalties in the entire league. Way,

786
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: you would never think that in a thousand years, like, oh,

787
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 2: they can't get anybody aligned, and yeah, there were some

788
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: ugly times, but five teams, only five teams have more

789
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 2: pre snap penalties in Seattle. No one is fewer than Pittsburgh.

790
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: So maybe the alignment stuff is a little overblown and

791
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: just recency bias.

792
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: You know, just looking here to see win those penalties.

793
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: So their last well, the last four games had ten

794
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: against Dallas. They had five against San Francisco, five against Philadelphia,

795
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: six against Tennessee. So maybe they've cleaned some of that up.

796
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: I bet there are some past interference ones because it's well, again,

797
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: yardage is worse than the number of the Dallas game.

798
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 1: They had ten for one thirty.

799
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: That's a excuse things.

800
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, So if you look at it offensively, they have

801
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: fifty two penalties this year. Defensively they have forty two.

802
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: So it's more on the offense.

803
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: I bet it's holds. Probably holds, yeah, with all the

804
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: shuffling on the O line.

805
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: But the yardage. The Dallas game seven defensive penalties for

806
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: one hundred and four yards out.

807
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: Hard win that way, hard to win an.

808
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: Extra one hundred and four yards on defense, they had two.

809
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: On special teams. They have thirteen special teams penalties this year.

810
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: Oh wow, which is a lot. Which is a lot.

811
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 2: Maybe they shouldn't be taking returns out. I mean that's

812
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: really where you can look. That's for an extra one

813
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 2: hundred and three yards. I mean there's basically none early

814
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: in the season. It's really picked up here like they have.

815
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: I mean, Dallas are tough opponents.

816
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: They have eight eight special teams penalties in their last

817
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: six games.

818
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a ton. Yeah, that's a ton. But if

819
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: you can get an extra sixty seventy yards and penalties

820
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 2: in this game, it was a long way.

821
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Yeah, let's see by penalty and break

822
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: it down by penalty here for you.

823
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 2: No, they have there's a site like NFL Penalties or something, right.

824
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: Twenty false starts. The league average is seventeen and a half.

825
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: You think a lot of people get false starts in

826
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: their building.

827
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: They have twelve holding offensive holding penalties. The league average

828
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: is sixteen, so they're below average there.

829
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: I was wrong with that.

830
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: Defensive pass interference they have eleven. The league average is

831
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: seven point nine to four.

832
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: And then my bad, a lot of them are deep

833
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 2: and adding on to this, that's a shortage.

834
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: Two hundred and one yards lost on that. Yeah, that's

835
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: a lot unnecessary roughness. Eight of those. The league average

836
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: is four point seven too.

837
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 2: I bet DK is five of them.

838
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah he does. Yeah, illegal use of the hands

839
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: seven the league average is one point five to six.

840
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's.

841
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: Wonder if that's on offense defense, is that I wonder

842
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: I'm just totally speculating, but I wonder if that's why

843
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 2: the young corner from the rookie last maybe maybe that's

844
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 2: why he's getting benched with his he's got those crazy

845
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: long arms, he's tall. Maybe he's jamming guys in the face.

846
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, roughing the passer. The league average is two point

847
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: eight eight per team. They're at five delay of game.

848
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of like holds, I get you

849
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: get beat, past interference, I get you get beat, but

850
00:37:55,239 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 2: hands of the face, hitting the pass or late would

851
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 2: we say that the DK is after the whistle stop?

852
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 2: Like there's you feel like you can maybe get onto

853
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 2: these guys scan.

854
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some things here that you look at and

855
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 1: you go, okay, those are kind of alarming. Two unsportsmanlike conducts. Yeah,

856
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: you know, some illegal shifts, some ille illegal formations that

857
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: are above leave.

858
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: They're high in pre snap.

859
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, encroachment. They have four to league averages.

860
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: One.

861
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean this this is these are you know

862
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 1: these are not in play?

863
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 2: Yeah?

864
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: This is this is before or after the whistle stuff

865
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: for a lot of.

866
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 2: This interesting, No, I would that doesn't well, I'll just

867
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: say I don't know how that reflects on Pete Carroll.

868
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: Is he more lenient with that stuff? I mean he's

869
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: obviously better on the block. Their penalty stuff is scary.

870
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: Break it down by player. Uh, well, you got Trent

871
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: Brown or Trey Brown, I should say, defensive back. He's

872
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: got three defensive pass interference and leak too, illegal use

873
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: of the hands, two illegal contacts, a face mask in

874
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: a defensive holding Tarik Woolan, who were.

875
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: Just talking about that.

876
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: For defensive pass interference, two defensive holdings too, illegal use

877
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: of the hands, so there ego, and one illegal conduct contact.

878
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: Then you got Brown, the offensive lineman. He's been called

879
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: for holding three times. You get a false start, illegal

880
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: use of that be.

881
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: The right side of the line has a lot of penalties.

882
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, even Weatherspoon's got three defensive pass interference penalties, got

883
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: on illegal use of the hands and an unnecessary roughness.

884
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you look at DK Metcalf's got four here,

885
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: two for offensive holding. Actually he's got more than that

886
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: because you get something that we're declined here and a

887
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: couple that were offsetting. So two holding, one taunting, one

888
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: face mask, illegal blind side block, unnecessary rough roughness, and

889
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: a disqualification.

890
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 2: They're all chippiness stuff. Yeah, it's kind of pushing off

891
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: for Opis or any of that kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah,

892
00:39:53,360 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure. I assume Porter will know that and try

893
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 2: to agitate him a little bit, you know.

894
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, get after from him. You know, he's a porter.

895
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, asked for some tips maybe.

896
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we'll see how that goes. But uh yeah,

897
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: interesting uh, interesting stuff.

898
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: There is there an interesting team overall.

899
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna get to another break. He is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive here on

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Speaker 2: Is that Christmas money?

909
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely. He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lollie,

910
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: and this is the Drive and Matt just a couple

911
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: of things here. So if TJ. Watt, who leads the

912
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: league with seventeen sacks right now, if he finishes the

913
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Speaker 1: season with the league.

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Speaker 2: Lead, yes, he would be some one or two right now.

915
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Speaker 2: He's one, He's one. Yeah, Yeah, he would be.

916
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Speaker 1: The first player since the sack was instituted as an

917
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: official statistic in nineteen eighty two to lead the league

918
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: in sacks in three different seasons.

919
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: That's hard to believe to me, it really is. He's

920
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: not that big a number.

921
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: All the different great pass rushers.

922
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 2: Out Thomas and you know, Reggie White and JJ and

923
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: you know all these guys. I mean, like I wouldn't

924
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 2: expect Donald but I mean even Khalil Mack or guys

925
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: that was.

926
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Speaker 1: Last Von Miller time.

927
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: You know von Miller great one. I mean some of

928
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: the players fifteen years and is highly productive. You would

929
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: think three is not crazy, Not three in a row,

930
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, three.

931
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: Ever, this would be three and four years though.

932
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, which is I mean he could get the four,

933
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: but wow, that's like, Babe Ruthie, I mean that's bonkers.

934
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just looking here at the uh. It brought

935
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 1: this up a few weeks ago about the double team

936
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: rates yeah, they're not the ESPN.

937
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 2: So that's how you can pump that out on a

938
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Speaker 2: reple highly reputable website. Do you used employ me and

939
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 2: think that that's at all logical?

940
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Speaker 1: So they have Micah Parsons with a double team rate

941
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: of thirty three percent?

942
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: Is that number one?

943
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

944
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: Like I can believe he's number one, But he gets

945
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 2: doubled way more than one third of his pass rush

946
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 2: now yeah, I mean way more.

947
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: They have Miles Garrett at thirty percent. They have TJ.

948
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: Watt fourteen percent.

949
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he he's got it really easy.

950
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: He's got to say. Here's the thing that's crazy about it,

951
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: Alex high Smith, they have it a seventeen percent double

952
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: team rate. Now, I've seen every snap of Steelers have

953
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: played this year, and I can tell you that is

954
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: absolute and utter horse hockey.

955
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 2: Everyone listening can tell you that.

956
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: Like every offense Alex hi Smith would tell you that's right.

957
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: Missus high Smith would tell you that. Mama high Smith,

958
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: I mean every offensive coordinator that schemed against the Steelers

959
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 2: be like, oh that's stupid, that's not true. I mean again,

960
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: we've talked about this, like how do they define a

961
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: double team? And I think what we came up with

962
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: was two different human beings touch you in some way,

963
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 2: shape or form. Yeah, that happens way more than fourteen percent,

964
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: way more. Yeah, I mean, Parsons, it happens way more

965
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 2: than thirty three percent. Yeah, it's like eighty. I would

966
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 2: bet it's rare for them not to get doubled.

967
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that to me. Like, I'm looking here at

968
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: the list. They go nineteen deep here in this list.

969
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: Here of what I see here, and he has the lowest.

970
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: He's he's leading the league in sacks, and according to

971
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: this list of the top sack guys in the league,

972
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: the only one who gets double team less than him

973
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: is Chase Young.

974
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: Okay, that's insane. I mean I can't commut on the

975
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: other guys that much.

976
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: That would be coaching malpractice if that were actually the case.

977
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: That's true, Like every team that has played the Steelers

978
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: this year, if they were only double teaming TJ. Watt

979
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: fourteen percent of the time, Yeah, every one of those

980
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: offensive coaches should be fired.

981
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, like it's not even close. I mean,

982
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,479
Speaker 2: so he usually plays about sixty snaps a game. That's

983
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 2: like eight double teams a game. That happens in a

984
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 2: quarter right. I don't know how they can say that

985
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 2: metric means anything. And I love all these new metrics

986
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 2: and stuff, but some of them will make me wonder,

987
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: like who am I trusting here?

988
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

989
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 2: Who decides what a pressure?

990
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: And that's what I mean. Here's the thing. There's one

991
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: stat that the league does keep that was in this couple. Really,

992
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: quarterback hits is something that the league keeps tracking because

993
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: you hit the quarterback you put you knocked him down.

994
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: That's not subjective, that's not subjective. You did it and

995
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: you didn't get flagged for it.

996
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 2: You knocked him down. And sacks and sacks, yeah, the

997
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,439
Speaker 2: one thing I do like about Pro football focus though,

998
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 2: they don't give half sacks. If you and I get

999
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: there at the same time, we both get one, like

1000
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 2: we shouldn't share one. I get a sack, You get

1001
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 2: a sack. It doesn't mean we had the Steelers got two.

1002
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 2: It just means I don't half sack doesn't really exist.

1003
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: It's like being half pregnant.

1004
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: It doesn't it does. I mean, you give assists on tackles.

1005
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: Although my mind people tackles are not an official statistic

1006
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: true in the NFL because I've been in a lot

1007
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: of stadiums where I'll look at the stats after a

1008
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: game and go, they think, got down for like seventeen.

1009
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: Tackles, and they don't always add up.

1010
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: It doesn't add up, right, I mean.

1011
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: There's too many tackles for plays.

1012
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: Because what what the guy in Baltimore calls the tackles,

1013
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: not with the guy in Seattle calls a tackle, is

1014
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: not with the guy in Baltimore in New York calls

1015
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: a tackle. It's very subjective.

1016
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I've talked about this before. I never played

1017
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: I've never played IDP Individual Defensive Player Fantasy. But that

1018
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 2: whole community knows which scorekeepers to go to. It's not

1019
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: to you know, like those games in Buffalo. Play all

1020
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 2: your guys, you guys, Yeah, whatever it is, Yeah, which

1021
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: means nothing then right, But yeah, like tackles for loss,

1022
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: I buy right, Yes, you saw that, fine, but he

1023
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 2: got a tackle. You gotta tackle, tackle, you get a tackle?

1024
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that again. That one year when Denver,

1025
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 1: the Steelers are playing Denver in the in the AFC

1026
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: Championship game. In the Broncos pr staff was trumpeting the

1027
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: fact that they had seven guys with more than one

1028
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: hundred tackles on the same team, and I went through

1029
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: and added up their solo tackles. Yeah, and the plays

1030
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: run against him, and they had more solo tackles just

1031
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: among those seven players than the Broncos had had plays

1032
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: run against them that year. Doesn't add up?

1033
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: What are we doing here? Right? Yeah? It was just

1034
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 2: like pure propaganda. Yeah right, I will give them another

1035
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: one right down too for that one.

1036
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: So when you when you see this stuff and hey,

1037
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: it gives you an idea of this guy's playing well,

1038
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: or that you know the tackles to whoever's lead. I

1039
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: don't even know who's leading the league in tackles right now,

1040
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: nor do I care.

1041
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd never even look at that stuff.

1042
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: You know, it's probably a four to three middle linebacker

1043
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: who has a whole bunch of tackles because he's the

1044
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: only guy that gets tackles on his team.

1045
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: I think a Wola Khan from the Jags led them

1046
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 2: led the league last year and was leading the league

1047
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: when the Steelers played the Jags one hundred years ago. Great,

1048
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 2: but okay, he's not even having a particular good year.

1049
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: That's what is So when people and nothing against Robert

1050
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: Splaine he's having a fine season for the Raiders, and

1051
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're happy with having him and all that stuff.

1052
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: But when people come at me, Steelers shouldn't have let

1053
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: Robert Splaine go. Look, he's he's got all these tackles.

1054
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: I don't care.

1055
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: I don't care what tackles, right.

1056
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean where are the tackles at? Are they

1057
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage? Are they impactful tackles? Are

1058
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: they six four yards down the field? I wish inside.

1059
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: You're a middle linebacker in a four to three defense,

1060
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 1: you better have tackles.

1061
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: You better have tackles. Yeah, I mean that's how it's

1062
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 2: all drawn up. Yeah, if you don't to be more worrisome. Yeah,

1063
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 2: and again, who's given you credit for him too? Yeah?

1064
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: Absolutely?

1065
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 2: That double team thing's insane. Though.

1066
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: It kills me.

1067
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: It just kills me, like fourteen, He'll get past that

1068
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 2: in three stabs, you're right.

1069
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyways, we're gonna get to another break. That's going

1070
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: to do it for hour number one here in the drive.

1071
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Speaker 1: We'll be back with our number two right after this