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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Well, hey, everybody,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the show. You know by hearing my

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Speaker 1: not here. That it's true, is on a top secret

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Speaker 1: adventure which we cannot disclose details about at this point. However,

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Speaker 1: of Matt Frederick. We had to sign some ironclad in

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Speaker 1: our super producer Paul Deck and most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. With an episode that's been a

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Speaker 1: the perfect nickname for Paul for this episode. It's Paul

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Speaker 1: it because Paul was the Let's see, Paul was the

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Speaker 1: Walrus and the Beatles and who was the Eggman? Well,

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Speaker 1: Is a lyric from a song off the White Album

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Speaker 1: probably most well known Beatles conspiracy theory that there is

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Speaker 1: that Paul McCartney died before his time and it's now

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Speaker 1: will get into that later, which I appreciate the foreshadowing

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Speaker 1: we did a video wherein we portrayed uh, my trustee,

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Speaker 1: clearly you've heard of the Beatles. We don't make too

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Speaker 1: right and misspelled in the title, we we promise you

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Speaker 1: there's a method to the madness. The Beatles, you see,

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Speaker 1: b E A t l e s. Are one of,

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Speaker 1: anyone out there if you never notice until this moment

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Speaker 1: they're reaching heights, but they think they have further to go. So,

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00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: according to this legend, they covered up his death by

426
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 1: replacing him with a look alike, a guy named Billy Shears,

427
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: who already looked, acted and even hounded like the actual

428
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney. You mean Billy Shears from little help from

429
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: my friends on you know when they go Bily She's

430
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 1: and that's the that's the guy, that's Ringo's character. And uh,

431
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: a little help from my friends. What would you think

432
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: if I'm saying, yeah, that's Billy Shears, So that's is

433
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: that that's that's that a clue? Maybe it is, And

434
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned clues here, because they the question

435
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 1: is are you hearing Billy shears or Billy's here? You

436
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: know this, this is one of the one of the

437
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: primary pieces of proof for people who believe this theory.

438
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: There are these ideas that various audio artifacts have been

439
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: hidden inside Beatles recordings that give you clues to the story, right,

440
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: and that's that's one of them. But there's another one

441
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: that might be even more, uh more familiar to our

442
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realist. Well, there's there's a lot of them,

443
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: and a lot of them. A lot of this one

444
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: revolves around hidden images, a lot of a lot of

445
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: most of these do revolve around things hidden in plain

446
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: sight or plane audio. Yeah, because it said audio artifacts earlier.

447
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: But it's important to notice a lot of the album

448
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: artwork itself is pointed to as proof of this. Yeah,

449
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: album aren't and even um press photos and things like that,

450
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: but yeah, um so. One of the lyrics on Sergeant

451
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band of one of the most

452
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: gorgeous and probably most popular songs on the record, A

453
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: Day in the Life, has the lyric he blew his

454
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: mind out in a car he didn't notice that the

455
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: lights had changed. Um, and also uh that you know

456
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: people pointed to that as being a reference to Paul

457
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: his death. And then in Strawberry Fields Forever, there is

458
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: a what's known as a back words mask, which we've

459
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: talked about quite a bit on this show. In that

460
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 1: most recent episode we did about satanic panics in Italy. Um,

461
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: I think we talked about a led Zeppelin back mask.

462
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: But in the song Strawberry Fields, there's a part where

463
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: when you flip it backwards, it sounds like John Lennon

464
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,959
Speaker 1: saying I buried Paul. Um. He actually would would correct

465
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: the record on this and say I was saying Cranberry sauce. Um,

466
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: I'll let you be the judge. Yeah, let's let's play this. Well.

467
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: We can't play too many Beatles clips without getting into

468
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: a crazy lawsuit, but we can get away with this one.

469
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: Surely we can. Sure sounds like that to me. I

470
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: don't hear Cranberry sauce. What do you hear? Ben? Well,

471
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: the thing is it doesn't. It's very much an audio

472
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: roor shack. Do you know what I mean by that?

473
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's like painting but for your ears or

474
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: what do they call it bader Minehuff where like you

475
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: expect to see something and then you'll see it everywhere,

476
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: or you think about a thing and then you start

477
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: to see it everywhere. Their confirmation bias directly. Yeah, but

478
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: you can see how if someone already believes this, they

479
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: would they would see more of these things as proof.

480
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: And there there are several other details in their including

481
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: for example, on the White album, there's the claim that, uh,

482
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: if you play the track Revolution nine backwards, you'll hear

483
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: the message turn me on dead Man, turn me on

484
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: dead Man, tear me on dead Man. And in ninety nine,

485
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: on October twelve, UH student at Michigan University kid named

486
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: Tom Zarski called a Detroit radio host and Russ Gibb,

487
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: and he wanted to talk to us about the stories

488
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: regarding Paul being dead. Gibb was dismissive of the rumors,

489
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: but Zarski talked him into playing Revolution nine backwards on

490
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: air at w K and r f M, and everyone

491
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: who turned tuned in thought they heard turned me on

492
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: dead Man, turned me on dead Man, and the phones

493
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: rang off the hooks, and this brought the conspiracy to

494
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: national levels. Isn't this the kid that had had a

495
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: bunch of other theories about how like, what was this

496
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: guy story? I feel like I think there was a

497
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: part where in the research where he mentioned not having

498
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: the resources to play every Beatles record backwards to find

499
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: more hidden messages. You'll also hear people say that it

500
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: was just a hoax, that czar Sky knowingly participated it,

501
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: and then I misspoke. There's actually a different kid that

502
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: in the nineties, who um who had some pretty interesting

503
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: theories about backwards masking in Beatles songs relating to another

504
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: conspiracy that we'll get into short. Okay, I see. And

505
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: then so this also goes into the idea that you mentioned.

506
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: Nola all amend I do think. I do think the

507
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: nickname for super producer Paul is probably the best one

508
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: we can have for today's episode because in the glass

509
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: Onion song, John says, well, here's another clue for you all.

510
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: The Walrus was Paul, and the people who believe this

511
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: started thinking, okay, get that you have to walk with

512
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: us here. Uh So, people who believe this when started

513
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: spreading rumors that walrus was actually a Scandinavian word that

514
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: meant death that is factually inaccurate. Is the nicest way

515
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: for me to say it. The word is actually derived

516
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: from the old dors romes, however, which means walrus, not death.

517
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: So while there are all these clues or purported clues

518
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: about Paul McCartney's secret death, the biggest question would be

519
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: how could someone get away with this? How could they

520
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: keep a secret? If there is a look alike, how

521
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: could he live his entire life as someone else without

522
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: slipping up once? Yeah, and make all those sick Wings

523
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: records too, you know, I mean, come on, I mean

524
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: their their records. What are you talking about? Have you

525
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: heard Ram? That's not considered Wings? But that record is fantastic.

526
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: That is a really, really great record. I don't really

527
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: care much about the Wings stuff after that, but Ram

528
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: is a classic, my friend. So this guy who was

529
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: rumored to have replaced Paul McCartney, where did he come from?

530
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: Billy Shears? We called him his full names, William Shears Campbell.

531
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: He was the winner of the nineteen sixty five Paul

532
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: McCartney lookalike competition. It's right. He apparently was an orphan

533
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: who hailed from Edinburgh, And it just so happened to

534
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: my previous point re Ram, he was also a pretty

535
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: good mimic in terms of this type of songs that

536
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: he could actually right himself and the way he's sang

537
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: and his mannerisms. Um. So yeah, this is interesting detail here. Yeah.

538
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: But the the issue with it is that for people

539
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: who believe there's a body double, uh, they believe there

540
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: are minuscule discrepancies differences between the actual Paul's face and

541
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: the impersonator or impostor's face. And you can find plenty

542
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: of plenty of blogs and forums wherein they describe what

543
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: they see as the multiple provable differences between the real

544
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney and the man they call fall f A

545
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: U L Fake Paul. That's great, um. And there's another

546
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: interesting detail here too. Um. It was right around this

547
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: time November of nineteen sixty six when supposedly this impostor

548
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: stepped in. That's when the Beatles stopped touring. They were

549
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: never really much of a touring band. They played these

550
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: handful of big, giant stadium shows around the world, but

551
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: not in the sense that we know today in terms

552
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: of bands that just grind it out on the road

553
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: for a month at a time. Um, they were not

554
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: that kind of man, and they just stopped entirely to

555
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: focus on their recorded output. And you know, some conspiracy

556
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: minded types might point to the idea that it's a

557
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: lot easier to hide these kinds of things if you're

558
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: not constantly out in the public eye and you can

559
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: control your image in the output of photographs and liner

560
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: notes and what have you. Right, that's a valid point

561
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: for sure. And this, this theory, of course, is also

562
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: one of the oldest ones about the Beatles. You can

563
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: trace it back to nineteen nine when a guy named

564
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: Tim Harper, who was the editor of a student newspaper

565
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: at Drake University, published an article called is Beatle Paul

566
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: McCartney Dead? And then you know, later in that year

567
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: it gets the national coverage because it's on the radio.

568
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: It takes off like gangbusters, and people still believe it

569
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: to some degree today. As you might imagine, as you

570
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 1: might imagine the Paul McCartney or fake Paul McCartney, whichever

571
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: you choose. Folks, was asked about this before, and he

572
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: said that, and then he said something jovial and delightful,

573
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: didn't he he was? He was, He was surprisingly diplomatic.

574
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: He said, well, you know, I haven't been in the

575
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: public eye. I took some time off, so maybe that's

576
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: why people thought I was dead. And then, you know,

577
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: there's that question like, when you're at that level of

578
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: fame and prominence, do people treat it like you're dead

579
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: when you decide not to be on the front of

580
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: magazines and then these covers? If anything, you know, hopefully

581
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: he looks at it as a flattering thing. I'm not sure.

582
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how to take it. What would you

583
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: do if you were accused of being your own body double? Yeah,

584
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: that'd be tough, man. I have been accused of this though.

585
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: Actually someone on one of the forums, uh mentioned that

586
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: on this show sound really serious, and on our other show,

587
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: Ridiculous History, I sound much more upbeat, and uh, is

588
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: it possible that I have some sort of clones or

589
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: we're we're double action going on. So I imagined you'd

590
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: be pretty delighted by it. I thought your answer was diplomat.

591
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: It was, you know, I try. Um. I can't claim

592
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: to be as as a diplomatic as Sir Paul McCartney. UM,

593
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: but speaking was. Let's talk about a couple of more

594
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: image related clues to this particular one on the cover

595
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: of Sergeant Pepper's Leley Hearts Club band, which is just

596
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 1: chuck full of references and things and different characters from history,

597
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: like I believe Karl Marx is on there. Um. Also,

598
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: all all four Beatles are um shown wearing band uniforms

599
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 1: and gathered around this giant bass drum, and Paul has

600
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: his right hand over his head and this is uh

601
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: been interpreted to represent an Eastern symbol UM that means death.

602
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: And he also has a black clarinet while the other

603
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: guys in the band have gold and brass type instruments,

604
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: and there's something with his dominant hand as it's pictured

605
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: in the art right in terms of which one he's

606
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: using to hold the clarinet. Interesting. Okay, so there's um.

607
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: There's actually a website called turn me on dead man

608
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: dot com and has a whole page devoted to some

609
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: of these Paul is Dead theories, and one of them

610
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: involved taking a mirror and holding it up to the

611
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: center of that Sergeant Pepper bass drum, at which point

612
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 1: it says I own X he die um, which would

613
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: be I one nine he die, which also has an

614
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: embedded reference to eleven nine November ninety six, which is

615
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: when supposedly he had this fatal car crash. So is

616
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: this a is this surreptitious communication? And if so, why

617
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: and how if they want to keep it a secret?

618
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: That's the big question this. Oh, going back to what

619
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney said himself or his double said, uh, he

620
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: seems to have been kind of a sport about it.

621
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: In he gave a nod to this conspiracy theory in

622
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: his album do you know the name of it? It

623
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: was Paul is Live? Yes, it is Paul is Live. Uh.

624
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: And despite that, the theory continues today as recently as

625
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: just two thousand and nine, even in Wired magazine and

626
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: the Italian version of the publication, there was a study

627
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: done by two forensic scientists who used computer technology to

628
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: compare the measurements of McCartney's skull before and after the

629
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: car accident. They took on the project because they wanted

630
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: to prove that the Paul is Dead thing had no basis.

631
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: But what they claim to discover is that the point

632
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: where the nose detaches from the face is different in

633
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 1: both skulls, and the position of the years is different

634
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: in a way that cannot be explained by surgery, and

635
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: the shape of the palette is also different. So their

636
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: story is that they went in to disprove it and

637
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: they came out going, oh but in Italian. And I

638
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: think at this point we can even move on to

639
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: a slightly related one. Um that a very strange one

640
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: that implies that every single Beetle was in fact a double,

641
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: a double or fictional. Well, but there's two. There's there's

642
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 1: one that says they were they were a series of

643
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: of humans that were actors that were hired to play

644
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: them so they could like maximize their uh, you know,

645
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: grind time with all the different you know, responsibilities they

646
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: would have being a giant band like that. Um, So

647
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: that's one, and I don't know, we're not to even

648
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: go into that one two D, But that is one

649
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 1: that's floating out there, the idea of a boy band

650
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: sort of manufactured, like the Monkeys and things like that.

651
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: The Beatles would have been the ones that kind of

652
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: set that trend off. But this is the idea that

653
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: they were in fact all played by different actors. Is

654
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: this the one that says the Beatles were created by

655
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: the Illuminati? Well, I it's a different one, but it's related.

656
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 1: So this is it. That's all I've got for that one.

657
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: It's just I mean, it's really there's really not much

658
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, here we go. So there's a guy

659
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: named Chris Fischelle This is coming from a great Huffington

660
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: Post article, UM, who was looking into the idea McCartney

661
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: had died, and in his research decided that, in fact,

662
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: every other Beatle had died except possibly Paul Um, and

663
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: that there were tons of clues hidden in all of

664
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: these record covers dating far back as nine UM, where

665
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: ringoes face on their sixty three record um is not

666
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: in line with the rest of them. Um. And then

667
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: in sixty four you've got a Hard Day's Night where

668
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: George has his back to the camera UM and is

669
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: holding a cigarette. This is all super stretchy to me.

670
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: And then on Revolver we've got supposedly the second John

671
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: Lennon singing the line I'm only sleeping sleep being a

672
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: metaphor for death. And then we've got the Buried Paul

673
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: thing in sixties seven. UM. And you know, this guy

674
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: goes into about two dozen or so pieces of evidence

675
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: and decides that this is the one I was talking about. Elier.

676
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: He says he just didn't have the resources necessary to

677
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 1: listen to every single song backwards. I guess he didn't

678
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: have a computer yet. Um, right, But that's it. Yeah,

679
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: that that that's and and then that it goes on

680
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: because there's another one saying that the Beatles had been

681
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: played by different actors, every single one of them. And

682
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: there's a list just like you said with Paul, for

683
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: every Beatle, showing that there are different facial uh dissimilarities

684
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Speaker 1: through various periods in their career. It's it's interesting because

685
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: that is not as implausible and principle a theory as

686
00:40:55,680 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: we might initially think. It's not. I don't think it's

687
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: particularly a secret, but it's probably an open secret. We

688
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: can go ahead and say this something similar has occurred

689
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: in in the past and entertainment culture, and I have

690
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: one example of something that's going on. Now. Have you

691
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: heard the story about Morgan Freeman and voiceover. I think

692
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: we talked about this off air. Morgan Freeman has an

693
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: iconic voice and will lend it to anything you hear him. Often,

694
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: even when he's in any film, he's just the narrator

695
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: because he's that well known for this. You got an

696
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: AX card commercial, right, you gotta break up? With your girlfriends,

697
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: get Morgan Freeman on the phone, soften the blow shawakaway,

698
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: giving that voicemail message ten stars. Also, don't break up

699
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: with your significant other over the phone. You know what

700
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: I mean, be an adult. But uh. But the strange

701
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: thing about Morgan Freeman, and that a lot of people

702
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: don't know, is that he has been getting so much

703
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: voice acting work and he is so well known and

704
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: so popular in the industry that his prices go up.

705
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: And if he doesn't have the time or the inclination,

706
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: or if you don't have the money to afford him,

707
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: he will recommend his secret voice double what there's a

708
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: guy who just does Morgan Freeman esque voices. So if

709
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Speaker 1: m X candle forward, he doesn't want to do it,

710
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: but he still wants a piece of the action. He'll say,

711
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, well you can't get me, you can get

712
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 1: this guy who sounds like me. And do you think

713
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: that guy has to pay him like a finder's fee

714
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: or some sort of give him a cut? I bet

715
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: he does. Surely he does. I'm sure he gets a cut.

716
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: I don't know the nature that relationships had to license

717
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: that voice. And so that's a very weird arrangement. Back

718
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: and what an interesting what an interesting thing? So and

719
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: then dictators often use body doubles. Saddam right, Saddam, Stalin, Gadaffi,

720
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: the list goes on, but Saddam in particular. I believe

721
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: there was some forensic expert that went through dozens and

722
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: dozens of photographs of Saddam Husseining and determined that there

723
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: were at least I want to say six, Well, there

724
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: were several. Yeah, I think a couple of them died too.

725
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: But we say all that to say it is not

726
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: entirely out of the realm of possibility that someone could

727
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: have a body double in the entertainment industry. What differentiates

728
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: this theory is the idea that it would be so

729
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: prolific and so successful. I mean, I wonder, frankly, I

730
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: wonder if it happens with K pop, which is another

731
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: huge industry. But not every Beatle as we know, ended

732
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: up being one of the Fab four Pete Best get

733
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: kicked out. There's also this conspiracy theory that says the

734
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: Beatles tried themselves to kill Pete Best. And these are

735
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: just these are just some of the beginnings we have.

736
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: We have some more to explore, but maybe let's give

737
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: that some room to breathe. We'll be back after a

738
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: word from our sponsor. Here's one of the darker ones,

739
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: the John Letting cover up. We mentioned earlier that he

740
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: was shot on December eighth in Manhattan by a fellow

741
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 1: named Mark David Chapman. It's weird because he was simultaneously

742
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 1: a crazed fan. He's been described that way many times,

743
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: but he also had some real problems with Lennon, specifically

744
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: with his atheism, because Chapman himself was a Christian and

745
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: he uh did not appreciate John Lennon kind of spreading

746
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: this notion that you know, that Christianity. He would never

747
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: go so far as to say that it's stupid, but

748
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: he just did not think it was important that you

749
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: the notion that you do not need a God or

750
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: the threat of divine punishment to be a decent person.

751
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: Atheism essentially somewhere between spiritualism and atheism. Yeah, So he

752
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: he shot Lennon four times in the back. I think he'

753
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: fired the gun five times, and then he just sat

754
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: down on a curb and started reading The Catcher in

755
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: the Rye, which he had brought with him when he

756
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: was arrested, he asked for a statement. He told police

757
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: that the book The Catcher in the Rye was his statement.

758
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: This has got to be a real terrible occurrence for J. D. Salinger. Well,

759
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: this is a recurring thing. Um, this idea that Catcher

760
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: in the Rise somehow some sort of assassination trigger because

761
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: the gentleman who made an attempt on Ronald Reagan's life, UM,

762
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: I believe was carrying a copy of it as well. Uh.

763
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: And it's been talked about as an interesting you know,

764
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: if any of anyone hasn't read it, it's it's told

765
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: from the perspective of a young dude who was very

766
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: kind of antisocial and telling the story from um, the

767
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: confines of a psychiatric institution, and it sort of normalizes

768
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: that kind of outsider mentality, you know, the kind of

769
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: lone wolf no one. He doesn't kill anybody in the

770
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: book spoiler alert, but he talks about things along those lines.

771
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: And there's a there's a huge, a huge thematic thread

772
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: going through this story in which Holden Caulfield, the protagonist

773
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: or at least the main character, wrestles with the concept

774
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: of what is real and what is fake, who is phony,

775
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: who is sincere and yes, it has been alleged in

776
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: various conspiracy theories that catching the Rye was used as

777
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: a psychological trigger by intelligence agencies. So in this theory,

778
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: John Lennon was not killed so much by Chapman himself.

779
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: He was more killed by a remote control. The ideas

780
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: that Chapman was programmed by US government agents to kill

781
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: Lennon and they used the novel as a signal to

782
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: go ahead with the operations. So either it was a

783
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: a subtle signal to Chapman the other people wouldn't und understand,

784
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: or it was a trigger that he was programmed, brainwashed

785
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: essentially into into following, you know, like he sees this

786
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: or here's a passage read aloud and it triggers a

787
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: certain set of actions. This sounds just this sounds like

788
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: if it were a breakfast dish, it would be nuts

789
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: and bananas. But it is true that John Lennon, like

790
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: other celebrities and musicians and political activists, John Lennon was

791
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: being monitored by US intelligence agencies to some degree. All

792
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: this theory does is go further. We should also mention

793
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: that Mark David Chapman at the time of this recording

794
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 1: is alive and well. He just had a parole hearing

795
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 1: earlier this year. He was denied parole because the Pearl

796
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: Board wrote back to him and said, you admittedly carefully

797
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,720
Speaker 1: planned and executed the murder of a world famous person

798
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: for no reason other than to gain notoriety. While no

799
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: person's life is any more valuable than another's life, the

800
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: fact that you chose someone who is not only a

801
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 1: world renowned person and beloved by millions, regardless of pain

802
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: and suffering you would cause to his family, friends, and

803
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: many others, you demonstrated a callous disregard for the sanctity

804
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: of human life and the pain and suffering of others.

805
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: Not the most well written sentence, but you get what

806
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: they're saying. You know what I mean, has a bit

807
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: of a run on. When it was it was they

808
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: were trying to squeezing a lot of stuff there. But

809
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 1: does it maybe sound like too that they're really pushing

810
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: the onus of this act really hard on him, saying

811
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:39,439
Speaker 1: for no reason, considering that this uh mk ultra esque

812
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: type conditioning was perhaps in play. Um and you know,

813
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: and and knowing what we know, maybe Ben talk a

814
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: little bit more about why Lennon was being monitored. Lennon

815
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: himself was being monitored by the government in the same

816
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Speaker 1: way that they would keep tabs on someone like Martin

817
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: Luther King Jr. Sure, yeah, So the concern here we

818
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 1: have to look back. It's the Cold Wars and full

819
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: swing Domino theory of ideology is also it's not something

820
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: that got left behind in Vietnam. You know. The idea

821
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: here is that leftist activist who have a public platform

822
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: could sway the US voter or the world stage. That

823
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: it was a big concern of the powers that be

824
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: at the time. But the question then becomes one of

825
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: technology involved. Has the US ever successfully managed to make

826
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Speaker 1: an individual do something they would not normally do unconsciously,

827
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like Sir Hans Sir Han

828
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: claims that he was mentoring candidate as well. But then

829
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: the second question goes to um motivation. Had had John

830
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: Lennon done something specific that would have been the the

831
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: straw on the proverbial a mole's back. Had he done

832
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Speaker 1: something that made someone in a shadowy room in d

833
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: C or in Langley go he's gone too far. Send

834
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: the book, you know what I mean? And I don't know,

835
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: like when you ask this question about like, have we

836
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: really seen evidence that that this is even possible? And

837
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: this might sound utterly ridiculous, but I'm gonna put it

838
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: out there. I have seen, you know, and you you

839
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: may have to successful hypnosis, you know, and I know

840
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: a lot of times it's like people certain people are

841
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: more susceptible to it. But you know, I went to

842
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: like a Renaissance fair here in Atlanta, and I don't know,

843
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm pretty skeptical about this stuff. But I saw some

844
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Speaker 1: people who I saw walking around earlier at the festival

845
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Speaker 1: and who were called up or volunteered to go up

846
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Speaker 1: on stage, and we're hypnotized super quickly and made to

847
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Speaker 1: do things that they wouldn't normally do, like cluck like

848
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Speaker 1: a chicken, or you know, walk around. Who's to say

849
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Speaker 1: you couldn't take that to the next level and trigger

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Speaker 1: somebody with a word to make them, you know, really

851
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Speaker 1: do something they wouldn't do, like like kill a man.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, well it it goes into not just

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Speaker 1: um severity of action or extreminity of action, but also

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Speaker 1: uh severity of time or distance from suggestion to action.

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Speaker 1: It's something I would, I would I've often called this

856
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Speaker 1: the chloroform question. So you know how chloroform We all

857
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Speaker 1: know this. Chloroform in fiction is depicted as something that

858
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Speaker 1: you it's put downs on a rag and then you

859
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: you put it over someone's face, right their mouth and

860
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 1: their nose, and they pass out for some amount of time.

861
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: Real chloroform application, or the real usage of it, is

862
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: much different. You have to hold it there longer, and

863
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: it keeps people under only as long really as it's

864
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Speaker 1: on them. They'll wake up shortly thereafter. And real hypnosis, uh,

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Speaker 1: we know it can. It can have these short term effects.

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00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: People will cluck like a chicken. They will do acts

867
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Speaker 1: that they might not normally do, but we don't know

868
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: if it can force them to do things that we

869
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: would consider depraved, like murder or you know, cannibalism. Maybe

870
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: you could get somebody the light of fire if they

871
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: were if they disassociated it from human harm. But the

872
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: big question is can we make some sort of suggestion

873
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 1: that will stay for months or years. That's the big question.

874
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: Can the renaissance fair hypnotist make someone cluck like a

875
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: chicken and then recall it with yes, no, I understand,

876
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: I understand, but it's still it's interesting to see that

877
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: happen in real time. The potentials, their potential seems to

878
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 1: be there. But you know, like we say, the human

879
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: mind is is even less understood than you know, what

880
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,720
Speaker 1: we understand about space. So he did. Chapman did apologize

881
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: for being such an idiot and choosing the wrong way

882
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 1: for glory to Yoko Ono after he shot her husband,

883
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 1: and then choosing the wrong what choosing the wrong way

884
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: for glory? So he so he almost admitted that he

885
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: did it for like a notorie in some way. Right,

886
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: he is eligible for parole in Unlike Sir Hans sur Han,

887
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: he has not made art and consistent claims that he

888
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: was brainwashed by any intelligence agency. But that that's where

889
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: we leave it. And it's the thing that makes this

890
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: one so tantalizing is that we know, we know, years

891
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 1: and decades later, that the intelligence agencies of the US

892
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 1: at the very least did actively monitor people they considered

893
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: to be dangerous political activists, and they also actively harass them.

894
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: Like you said earlier with Dr King, they really did that, right,

895
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: co intel pro was a real thing. The question is

896
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: just how far it went. And if you want to

897
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: read more about this, check out John potash is book

898
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: Drugs as Weapons against US, which says that these agencies

899
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: did not just target Lennon, but they also targeted Tupac

900
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: Shakur and Kurt Cobain and many other celebrities. But here's

901
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: here's the question of what if there's something bigger than

902
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: intelligence agencies at work. What if it's bigger than the CIA,

903
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: What if it's bigger than the FBI. What if it's

904
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: the Illuminati? The Illuminati the very same Oh wow, okay?

905
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: And within that we have some subsets, don't were this

906
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: idea of the Illuminati? We have two in particular that

907
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: we're talking about. One that's a research wing of the

908
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: UK that supposedly receives government funding from the United States,

909
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: and that was very particularly tied to MK Ultra we

910
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: talked about a little while ago, which is something called

911
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: the Tavistock Institute for Human Relations. Yes, the tavist Like

912
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 1: instance in addition to the Committee of three hundred UM.

913
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Speaker 1: First off, let's talk a little bit about the Tavistock Institute.

914
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: They are essentially a nonprofit, at least on the surface

915
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: UM that a British based nonprofit that has done it

916
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: kind of a think tank. I guess you could call

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00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: it that has done research on how to solve societal problems, quote,

918
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: helping organizations, groups and individuals to learn, change, innovate, and develop.

919
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: How much more vague could you be. They were started

920
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: in back in right, that's right, and they have all

921
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: have since their inception been intimately tied to the field

922
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: of psychiatry um And again they were connected to the

923
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: mk ulture experiment, as we talked about earlier, which if

924
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,399
Speaker 1: we didn't go too deep into it, surely you guys

925
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: know what this says. We've done episodes on in the past.

926
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 1: But it is that Manchurian candidate kind of research that

927
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: was ruled to be not cool, you know, by the

928
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: US government, the idea of turning people into secret sleeper soldiers,

929
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: among other things. Yeah, so they are commonly associated with

930
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: the Beatles and the rule rolling Stones. You can find

931
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: a couple of books focusing on this, one by Daniel

932
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: east Lynn called Tavistock Institute, Social Engineering and the Masses.

933
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 1: That's the more recent one. It came out in But

934
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: the concept here is that there's a totalitarian agenda which

935
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: ultimately will result in the Illuminati taking over America with

936
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: the intent of utterly destroying it through rock music and

937
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: drugs to rebel against the status quo, undermine the family unit.

938
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 1: Dogs and cats sleeping together, people barefoot in the streets

939
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: and wearing shoes in their houses. Reminds me of that

940
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: episode we did a while back about did the CIA

941
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: manufacturer of the counterculture? A very similar end you know,

942
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: in theory would be to cause the breakdown of civilized

943
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: society in some way, or to demonize a particular group,

944
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: which I think more of what the CIA theory was about.

945
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: But this one is much more Watch the World burn

946
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: type stuff is Yeah, it is normal. There's The idea

947
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: is that the metals were created purposefully with intent by

948
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: the Illuminati or these various subsidiaries to introduced counterculture, to

949
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: introduce drugs, and this parably something larger, called the Aquarium

950
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: Conspiracy by its opponents. It was started by a guy

951
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: named John Coleman. As recently as the nineties. He used

952
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: to work for m I six and that gave him

953
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: some street cred with people. He said that the Tavistock

954
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: Institute for Human Relations was instrumental in creating this band,

955
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: and they do some of the Some of his claims

956
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: rest on the similar idea of subtle visual or audible clues,

957
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: like Key says, there's a promo picture from The Yellow

958
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: Submarine that shows John Lennon flashing the Devil's Horn sign

959
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: associated with this mysterious group, and that Paul is making

960
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: the six six six or eye of Horace hand side

961
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: or is that like to refer to it, the A

962
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: O K emoji hand? Is that what it is? Yeah?

963
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: Kind of. I mean it's just like putting your finger

964
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: and your thumb together in a circle and holding out

965
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: your other three fingers. But you know, if you if

966
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: you draw a line through that that oh you're making,

967
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: and then the remaining three fingers, you get three sixes.

968
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: But it's also it's literally you know that's with the

969
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: six six six, but it's also literally you know, an

970
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: emoji for and it just means cool. Everything is a okay,

971
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: you know, well in some places it means butthole. That's fair.

972
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: That's I think that's unfair to tourists who don't know

973
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: that when we'll travel. There was another conspiracy theory or

974
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: you know, kind of an alarmist thing that was making

975
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: the round. Well, wasn't white power. I think it was

976
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: like the teenagers were using that symbol in pictures and

977
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: it showed that they were what the kids called DTF

978
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: it's down to freak. Yeah. Oh, there's also one of

979
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: the One of the pieces of evidence for the Illuminati

980
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:05,439
Speaker 1: idea is that the cover Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club

981
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: Band also includes a host of quote Illuminati stooges such

982
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: as Alice Huxley, Karl Marks, h G. Wells, and playwright

983
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: George Bernard Shaw too. Yeah. Yeah, a known known Illuminati stooge.

984
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: I just love it when people are called stooges or tycoon's. Uh,

985
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: we do have something else. One more tad on the

986
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: pile here, and that's the idea that the Beatles did

987
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: not release all their songs. Did you ever hear this? Yeah?

988
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: This one is pretty pretty debunkable, but it's one of

989
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: those ones that I think rabid fans were so jazzed

990
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: about the idea of they just wanted to let it ride.

991
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: But what's the what's the backstory? Yeah, it goes back

992
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: to one There's a British teenager named Martin Lewis and

993
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: he sends a bootleg Beatles recording to a magazine and

994
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: he includes extra track names on the bootleg songs like

995
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,439
Speaker 1: Colliding Circles, Left Is Right and Right Is Wrong, deck

996
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: Chair and Pink Litmus paper Shirt and claim they have

997
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: been hidden away in the Apple Records vault. The thing is,

998
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: of course people thought this is amazing. They wanted to

999
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: hear these new songs. But the thing is that later

1000
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: Lewis confesses and says the whole thing is a hoax,

1001
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: and like you said, Noel, people don't believe him. He

1002
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: even explained it in an interview with USA Today when

1003
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: he said, to my shock and horror, many Beatles fans

1004
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: refused to believe me. People told me, your confession is

1005
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: a hoax. I know someone who's got those songs. And

1006
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: so he says, I'm letting the cat out of the

1007
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: bag again. There are no hidden songs, which is where

1008
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: we begin to wrap up the show today, folks, Because

1009
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: for some of these theories that we've described, some more

1010
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: plausible than others. They're always going to be people who say,

1011
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: if you are attempting to disprove what I believe, then

1012
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: that means you are part of the vast Beatles conspiracy.

1013
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: But what do you think? Uh? No, what do you think?

1014
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: Do you think any of these could have some sand

1015
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: or a grain of truth. Do you think Paul McCartney

1016
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: died in the sixties. I don't know, man, I hope not.

1017
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: He seems he seems like the same old Paul. And

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01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: also it's on balance we have to we have to

1019
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: think of the ratio to be fair. If there's a

1020
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: body double, he spent more time now being Paul McCartney

1021
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: than Paul McCartney did when he was alive. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: in terms of just time spent as Paul, who is

1023
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 1: more genuine? I know that makes me sound like a

1024
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: horrible person, not at all, not at all. But we

1025
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: also want to hear from you, folks, fellow conspiracy realist

1026
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: skeptics alike. Do you think that any of these claims

1027
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: have an amount of an amount of sand. One thing

1028
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: we did not talk about, which is a provable improven conspiracy,

1029
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: be corruption in the music industry and the ways in

1030
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: which aretist back then and today. We're chosen sometimes to

1031
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: be successful through practices like Paola, through practices like um,

1032
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:14,919
Speaker 1: you know, suppressing one record labels output to play the

1033
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: records of another label. Hopefully that's something that we can

1034
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: we can explore in a future episode, but in the meantime,

1035
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: let us know what you think. You can find us

1036
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: on Instagram, you can find us on Twitter, you can

1037
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: find us on Facebook. On our various community pages, the

1038
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: one for this one is Here's where it gets crazy.

1039
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Speaker 1: Long time listeners, you probably you hopefully heard Noel and

1040
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:44,919
Speaker 1: Matt do an episode recently that was entirely composed of

1041
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: fascinating stuff from our community page. Right now. Yeah, that

1042
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: was a fun one. Those are always fun to do.

1043
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Speaker 1: In Ben there was a very disconcerting bend shaped abyss

1044
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: in the room with us at that time. But you yourself,

1045
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: we're not corporeally present, but we did commune with the

1046
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: abyss a couple of times. It's very kind. I I

1047
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: am often described as have been shaped abyss. So you

1048
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: can write to us, you can, Oh, you can call

1049
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: us as well. Matt would Matt would be a gas

1050
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: if we did not mention our very own call in

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Speaker 1: number one eight three three s T D W y

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Speaker 1: T K and he would be gassed. If you called

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Speaker 1: that number and left a really cool message, yes we

1054
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Speaker 1: all would, so say we all. But if none of

1055
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: that particularly plucks your string or plays your cord, then

1056
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: you can write to us directly. We are conspiracy at

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Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com.