1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to the short Stuff, Josh, Chuck, Jerry Dave. 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Let's go. 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 2: I could not, for the life of me find out 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: where we have talked about Uncle Sam before, and it 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 2: had to be one of our videos. But I couldn't 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: find it. I checked a million times over and it 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 2: was not a short stuff. I couldn't find it anywhere. 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 2: But I know for sure. The only reason I know 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: this is because we've talked about it. 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: It had to be our Fourth of July special that 11 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: we did with the Onion and The Daily Show. 12 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: That keeps coming back to hanas. Huh. Yeah, because we 13 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: had another one the other day that was I think 14 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 2: in there. Yeah, I bet you it was. 15 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it had to be right. 16 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, but who cares. Let's tell the real story Josh 17 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 2: and Chuck style. 18 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to talk about Uncle Sam. If you 19 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: don't know who Uncle Sam is, then by god, you're 20 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: not much of an American. 21 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, how would you describe Uncle Sam? A cartoon, 22 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 2: a drawing of a man become synonymous and a symbol 23 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: of the United States of America A logo almost. 24 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you've ever seen somebody wearing a red, white 25 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: and blue stove top hat, or a top hat with 26 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: stars on it, that's an Uncle Sam hat. 27 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 28 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: You ever see somebody wearing an American flag suit, they're 29 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: basically doing their best Uncle Sam. You ever see anybody 30 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: with a beard, they're pretending their Uncle Sam. 31 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: Yeah. If you've ever seen a picture of all those 32 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: things put together and a guy pointing at you on 33 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 2: a poster saying I want you to do whatever, join 34 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: the army or give money for war bonds, that's Uncle Sam. 35 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. So our conception of Uncle Sam, the one you 36 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: just described, is thanks to a great illustrator who was 37 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: working around the time America entered the First World War. 38 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: Same one of the great names of all time, James 39 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: Montgomery Flag with Jeez love that guy's name. But he 40 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: was an amazing illustrator and painter, and he painted that 41 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: iconic image of Uncle Sam looking out from the poster, 42 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: pointing at you the viewer, that I want you. I 43 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: remember the Simpsons where it was like the immigration episode, 44 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: Homer put up a poster. He asked that Pooh if 45 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: he could put up a poster in his convenience store, 46 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: and it was Uncle Sam saying I want you out. 47 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 2: Do you remember that on h No, that's funny though. 48 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: And Pooh took the took the occasion to talk about 49 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: how much he loved America, and Homer goes, wow, you 50 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: know what a poo I'm really gonna miss you. 51 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: Uh, that's that's great. You should say it as a 52 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 2: poo though. 53 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: Right, Nold. 54 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: Not the funny thing about this poster that came around 55 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: in nineteen seventeen, and we'll get this is not the 56 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 2: first incarnation of Uncle Sam, but it's the most amous 57 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: that we know now. But James Montgomery flag supposedly was 58 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: inspired by a British Minister of War, Lord Kitchener, but 59 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: he used his own handsome face as the actual model. 60 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: And if you look up a picture of James Montgomery flag, 61 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 2: you're in you know, he put wrinkles, he was younger 62 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 2: in a gray beard. But if you picture that guy 63 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: with that gray beard and hair, it's Uncle. 64 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: Sam, yeah for sure. And Neat Yeah, it was like 65 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: there was a Lord Kitchener poster was essentially the exact 66 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: same thing of drawing of Lord Kitchener looking out from 67 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: the poster pointing at you, saying he wants you to 68 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: sign up to help. And both of these posters were 69 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: propaganda posters. From World War One, that the one that 70 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: flag designed of Uncle Sam had been printed four million times, 71 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: four million copies of a poster that fair of Fawcet 72 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: poster hadn't even been printed four million times. That's how 73 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: that's how successful this poster was, right, And this was 74 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: all just before the war was over, So in about 75 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: years it was printed four million times. The thing is, 76 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's people out there that like, well, yeah, 77 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: it's the origin of Uncle Sam, and friend, you'd be wrong. 78 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: Uncle Sam had been around for at least about one 79 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: hundred years by the time James Montgomery Flagg made his 80 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: iconic poster, and I say, we take a break, we 81 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: come back and we talk about that very issue. If 82 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: you want to know, then you're in luck. Just listen 83 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: to Suffus stuffus. 84 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: No, all right, So the origins of Uncle Sam. There 85 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 2: was a story that many people believe for a long 86 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: time that it came about during the War of eighteen twelve, 87 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 2: and that it was named such. The characters name such 88 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: because of Uncle Sam Wilson, who was a meatpacker from 89 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 2: New York who supplied beef, these big barrels of beef 90 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 2: to the army for the War of eighteen twelve, they 91 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 2: had us stamped on them, and they called those barrels 92 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 2: of beef Uncle Sam's. That was published and republished many, 93 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: many times, starting in the New York Gazette in nineteen thirty, 94 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 2: leading to a congressional resolution in nineteen sixty one recognizing 95 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 2: Sam Wilson. But that is not the origins of Uncle Sam, right. 96 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: No, I mean a lot of people think Sam Wilson 97 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: was the guy who started it all. I mean that 98 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: story everything comes together so close, like he really was 99 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: a real person, he really was working in the War 100 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: of eighteen twelve. The barrels of meat really were stamped us. 101 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: But some really dedicated historians won by the name of 102 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: Don Hickey from Wayne State College, another one named Christopher Philippo. 103 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: They both got to the bottom of this and found 104 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: that very very shortly before the Uncle Sam Wilson's story 105 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: could have happened, people were already using Uncle Sam as 106 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: a way of depicting or talking about the United States 107 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: of America. 108 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 2: As a whole exactly. They found some actual proof proof 109 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: and from an eighteen ten diary from a sixteen year 110 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 2: old sailor on the USS Wasp where he read he 111 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: was seasick and not feeling so good, and he wrote, 112 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: I swear that Uncle Sam as they call him, would 113 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 2: certainly forever have lost the services of at least one sailor. 114 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 2: And that was in eighteen ten, So it was if 115 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: he was using it in a diary entry in eighteen ten, 116 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: that means it was what I would consider probably fairly 117 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 2: common usage at that point. Right. 118 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: That guy almost certainly didn't make that up in that 119 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: diary entry. Yeah, So Yeah. The thing is is, even 120 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: though Sam Wilson wasn't the actual direct inspiration for Uncle Sam, 121 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: he certainly helped kind of popularize it. I think he 122 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: probably his association with it in the story that came 123 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: from that probably took it from what may have just 124 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: been relegated to navy lingo that would have become archaic 125 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: to now it has a story and it's spread from there. 126 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: So even though he didn't inspire it, it's still like, yeah, 127 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: Uncle Sam Wilson definitely had a huge role in the 128 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: creation of the idea of Uncle Sam. 129 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. In fact, there was a minister I believe 130 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: it Sam the real Sam Wilson's funeral that there was. 131 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,239 Speaker 2: He wrote a letter that said that he had often 132 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 2: talked with Wilson quote about the circumstances which led to 133 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: the singular transfer of his popular name to the United States. 134 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 2: So it sounds like what that's saying is that Sam 135 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: Wilson even knew that, yes. 136 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: For sure, and went along with it, right. He's like, yeah, yeah, 137 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: it was, and he'd look furtively around. So there was 138 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: another character that I hadn't heard of, a guy named 139 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: Brother Jonathan. 140 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 2: Did you heard of him? I had not. I didn't think. 141 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: But then I also think that we may have brought 142 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: this up because those pictures looked very familiar. 143 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: Okay, they did not to me. But there was a 144 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: character named Brother Jonathan who was who predated Uncle Sam 145 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: by a couple of decades. Brother Jonathan was the original 146 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: personification of America around the time of the Revolution. He 147 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: dressed like a revolutionary cat, with a tri cornered hat 148 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: and those tails and the coat with tails and everything. 149 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: But he was much more rambunctious, much younger. I saw 150 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: editorial cartoon of him forcibly pouring a bunch of French 151 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: brandy down the throat of John Bull, the character who 152 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: personified Great Britain and still does, And he was around 153 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: for decades, and eventually he kind of handed the baton 154 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: off to Uncle Sam, which is really interesting because it 155 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: happened as a time when America was starting to mature. 156 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: The character personifying America went from a younger, rambunctious, brandy 157 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: forcing character to a much more like older stern, kind 158 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: of down to earth pointer guy. 159 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think brother Jonathan went away by the eighteen 160 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 2: six like there was some overlap there, went away in 161 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: the eighteen sixties, and then Thomas Nass And that's a 162 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 2: pretty big name in cartooning back then, right. 163 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: For sure, he kind of gave us the conception of 164 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: Santa Claus, the pre Coca Cola Sam. 165 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, I knew, I knew that name 166 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 2: from somewhere. But Nas is the one who sort of 167 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: came up with the more modern image. And then Flag 168 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: of course made the iconic one that we still use 169 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: that same exact sort of character. 170 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: Right, And so let's see what else, Chuck, Well. 171 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 2: I mean, one of the ways, you know, if you've 172 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 2: still never seen much Uncle Sam besides recruitment posters and 173 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 2: stuff like that, or the old propaganda posters that Flag 174 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 2: was tasked with drawing, is in political cartoons you'll still 175 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 2: see to this day, like a political cartoon that will 176 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: use Uncle Sam in a variety of ways, whether it's 177 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 2: a beleaguered Uncle Sam in a food line or a 178 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: or a war mongering Uncle Sam. Like, you know, anyway 179 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 2: they can. It's not just like kind of one use. 180 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 2: Whenever he's in a political cartoon, they can. He can 181 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 2: adapt and change to suit whatever message you're trying to deliver. 182 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever comment you're making on America, you just make 183 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: Uncle Sam do it. 184 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 185 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 1: There's also a nineteen ninety six slasher film called Uncle Sam, 186 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: and I was about it, and it's that The horror 187 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: fan blog was like, it's not a must sy, but 188 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: you could see it right essentially is what they were doing. 189 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: Some movie exist, But Robert Forrester's in it. He plays 190 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: like a corrupt congressman who dies. Isn't that interesting? 191 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 2: Year? 192 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: Was it ninety six? 193 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: Okay, so that was pre Jackie Brown. 194 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're around that time. 195 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 2: I would think it wouldn't be post Jackie Brown. 196 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: No, did he blow up after Jackie Brown? 197 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 2: Not blue up, but was definitely relevant enough to probably 198 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 2: not be in the Uncle Sam slasher movie. 199 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: He landed a role on Breaking Bad season five. 200 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: At least, right, Oh was he in that? 201 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was the guy. Sorry for spoilers everybody, if 202 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: you haven't seen Breaking Bad yet, but he was the 203 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: guy who brought Oh I can't remember the main character's name, 204 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: but Malcolm in the Middle's dad supplies when he was 205 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: Walter White, Yes, when he was hiding out in New Hampshire, 206 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: Vermont or whatever. He was the guy. He was just 207 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: basically waiting for him to die so he could take 208 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: his money. 209 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 2: Here's your things that I'm gonna deliver to your house, 210 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 2: and now if you could just give me your money. 211 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 2: That's my best impression of him. 212 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: That was great. I thought it was Robert Forster speaking 213 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: just now. 214 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: And by the way, Jackie Brown was in ninety seven, 215 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 2: so kind of right around that time. Yeah, for my money, 216 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: the most underrated Tarantino film. 217 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe Tarantino saw him in Slasher and was like, 218 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: that's my guy. 219 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 2: You never know. 220 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 1: That was a good movie. I don't know if his 221 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: most underrated, Yeah, maybe maybe I could see that. Sure, 222 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: it was a good one. 223 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 2: He's got a lot of overrated movies. 224 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a few under his belt for sure. 225 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: But he's also got some of the greatest of all time. 226 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 2: Agreed, He's all over the map. 227 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm really sad to hear that he's planning 228 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: on making his last movie, although apparently he scuttled the 229 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: project that was his last movie because people had like 230 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: spies had infiltrated it, and he got pretty far into it, 231 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm making something else for my last movie. 232 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 2: Then, huh you know that goes Soderberg was supposed to 233 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: retire to then he did like forty more things. 234 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well that's good, that's hopeful. 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