WEBVTT - 102123 The Hamas-Israel War (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>It's a crazy world out here and we are just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to make sense of it. Broadcasting from the Hip

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<v Speaker 1>Hop Weekly Studios, I'd like to welcome you to another

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Civic Ciper. I'm your host, Ramsey's job. He

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<v Speaker 1>is Ramsay's job. I am q Ward, and you are

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<v Speaker 1>listening to Civic sign indeed you are, Please stick around

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<v Speaker 1>because today is a special show for us. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to be be honest. On this show. We talk about

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<v Speaker 1>domestic issues. We talk about issues that are relevant to

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<v Speaker 1>black people, brown people, Indigenous people, lgbt qia plus people,

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<v Speaker 1>Asian people, and other marginalized groups. And we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>take a break from our normal content to discuss the war.

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<v Speaker 1>I hesitate to call it a conflict because it's rather

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<v Speaker 1>more than that. In Palestine, in Israel, these are things

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<v Speaker 1>that have caused a lot of strong reactions online and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people to say a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 1>And we are not going to use today's episode to

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<v Speaker 1>suggest that anyone feel any way one way or another,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's a complicated situation, and the more that we

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<v Speaker 1>look into it, the more complicated we're learning that it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I have been having some conversations with some people that

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<v Speaker 1>I respect, who people who are more partial toward the

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<v Speaker 1>Israeli side of things, people are more partial toward the

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<v Speaker 1>Palestinian side of things. All of these people are kind

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<v Speaker 1>people and want what's best for the human beings involved.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think it's our duty and at Q suggestion,

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to spend today to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So stick around for that. We are going to do

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<v Speaker 1>our best with this content and hopefully do right by you,

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<v Speaker 1>optics in these conversations that are being considered. And Derek Bailey,

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<v Speaker 1>the problems that came with that. There could be some

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<v Speaker 1>problems with this as well. So moving on, what we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do is we're going to break today's show up

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<v Speaker 1>into two pieces. First, we're going to talk about Palestine,

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<v Speaker 1>and the second part of the show, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Israel and I. The first thing I want

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<v Speaker 1>to say is that neither one of us are experts.

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<v Speaker 1>We are cues from Detroit. I'm from Compton, California. The

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<v Speaker 1>closest I've ever been to either of these places is Egypt,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was like a tourist vacation. You know, my

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<v Speaker 1>name is Ramsays, so I had to go there. I

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<v Speaker 1>love Muslim people. I've spent time in Muslim countries. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that Islam is a religion of peace. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's the most beautiful religion in the world. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not religious person, but just as an observer of the

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<v Speaker 1>beauty and the culture that religion tends to encompass, I

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<v Speaker 1>can say those things with a certainty. While I'm here,

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<v Speaker 1>I will say that, you know, I grew up with

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish people. I believe that Jewish people have been the

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<v Speaker 1>kindest to me that I've ever met. I've always felt

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<v Speaker 1>welcome in Jewish people's homes and circles and temples and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, other places of worship and special sort of

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<v Speaker 1>events and holidays. I don't eat pork because I love

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<v Speaker 1>both of these groups of people, and I always want

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to share a meal at a table

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<v Speaker 1>with my Muslim brothers and sisters or my Jewish brothers

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<v Speaker 1>and sisters. With that said, I don't want this to

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<v Speaker 1>sound like I'm taking a side. Queues not taking a side.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not what we're here to do, but rather

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<v Speaker 1>to explain sort of what's happening and perhaps why people

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<v Speaker 1>over here, so far away, are so upset and feel

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<v Speaker 1>so connected to this. So again we're starting with Palestine here. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>First things first, there's a history here that goes back

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of years. These are things that I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>because I haven't had to really wrap my head around

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff until recently. There's been conflict here going back

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<v Speaker 1>a very very long time, and there's been a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of lives lost as a result of these conflicts, and

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<v Speaker 1>of course, you know, the people on the ground feel

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<v Speaker 1>how they feel. I don't believe that there's anybody who's

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<v Speaker 1>wrong or right overall, I believe there are individual actors

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<v Speaker 1>or smaller groups that are that could be considered terrorist groups.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure that do heinous things. Sure, but in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the Muslims and the Jews, there's no one's wrong. In

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<v Speaker 1>terms of Palestine and Israel, there's no one wrong. There

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<v Speaker 1>are people who are in government, people, you know that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of thing. I had a conversation with Amy Horowitz

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<v Speaker 1>that I'll get into a little bit more on the

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<v Speaker 1>second part of the show. But I asked him a

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<v Speaker 1>question that I believe suggest how I feel about this.

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<v Speaker 1>And I asked him, you know, says, you told me

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<v Speaker 1>how the governments feel. You've told me how these actors feel,

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<v Speaker 1>the state, the officials, how the people feel. The people

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<v Speaker 1>feel like we don't like Jews or we don't like Muslims,

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<v Speaker 1>And he says some do, absolutely, but a good number

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<v Speaker 1>of people don't feel that way. They've elected officials to

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<v Speaker 1>represent their interests. And the connection that I made is

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<v Speaker 1>that if we rewind the clock three four years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>would Donald Trump represent Ramses's feelings on literally anything? And

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<v Speaker 1>the answer would be no. Ramses is a human being

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground who happens to be an American. Donald

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<v Speaker 1>trump Is at that point in time, was the elected

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<v Speaker 1>leader of the country, and so he was able to

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<v Speaker 1>speak for the country in a way that painted all

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<v Speaker 1>of us with two broad a strokes. And so while

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about the people of Palestine, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>this to devolve. It would never with me and you Q.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't want anyone listening to feel as though

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<v Speaker 1>this conversation is headed toward devolving into people of Palestine

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<v Speaker 1>are right and people of Israel are wrong, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>not it. Nor are the people of Israel right and

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<v Speaker 1>the people of Palestine wrong. This is just a conflict,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a lot of human rights relations and things

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<v Speaker 1>like this that really need to be discussed.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the interesting thing about saying this is just

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<v Speaker 2>a conflict is it makes it sound too simple and straightforward. Ok,

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<v Speaker 2>what happens? What is happening here? We've seen happen throughout history.

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<v Speaker 2>We go back to biblical times and you know b c.

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<v Speaker 2>Where there's an other ring of a group of people

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<v Speaker 2>to legitimize inhumane treatment of those people.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So this conflict.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of hit an accelerator October seventh, when a terrorist

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<v Speaker 2>organization started killing people and Israeli civilians and soldiers were

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<v Speaker 2>killed cold blooded and what is being called a terrorist attached.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure. Sure, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Because there was already a pre existing othering happening. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>the rights and treatment of Palestinian people in that part

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<v Speaker 2>of the world, where they can walk on the street,

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<v Speaker 2>how they are handled by it is really military and

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<v Speaker 2>the rights that they are denied. It's not about Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>people versus Palestinian people. It's about some people in power

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<v Speaker 2>othering another group and using that to justify inhuman treatment.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you can convince people that black people are dogs,

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<v Speaker 2>that Muslims are dogs, that anybody who thinks, loves, and

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<v Speaker 2>prays different than you is a lesser form of creation

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<v Speaker 2>than you are, and treating them like less doesn't feel

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<v Speaker 2>as bad. The really interesting thing and important thing about

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<v Speaker 2>all of the images that are coming out of that

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<v Speaker 2>region is that it should not matter how you love

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<v Speaker 2>or pray. When you see a father rocking the lifeless

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<v Speaker 2>body of his baby, everything in you that's humans should

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<v Speaker 2>wake up in that moment. That father should not be

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<v Speaker 2>less heartbroken because he doesn't pray the way that you do.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the way that you do, and look the

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<v Speaker 2>way that you do. So the reason why I thought

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<v Speaker 2>it was important to have this conversation is exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>you said. We're not here to say this group is

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<v Speaker 2>right and this group is wrong, just that everyone should

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<v Speaker 2>agree that a baby should not be killed by a

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<v Speaker 2>missile while in the hospital or while in its home,

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<v Speaker 2>not in a war zone, not participating in any type

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<v Speaker 2>of conflict. Wars happened between governments and their militaries, but

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<v Speaker 2>there are rules and laws with regards to war. Even

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<v Speaker 2>talking about war that way makes me uncomfortable because there's

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<v Speaker 2>amounts of murder that we're okay with as long as

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<v Speaker 2>it's a part of the as long as it's a

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<v Speaker 2>part of the war, and yeah, you can kill as

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<v Speaker 2>many people as you want over there because they're participating murder.

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<v Speaker 2>Should feel messed up, no matter what, even as a

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<v Speaker 2>retaliation to harm being done to you, even as a

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<v Speaker 2>means of protecting your family. I was having a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>with some recently, someone recently about how I know I

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<v Speaker 2>would feel if someone broke into my house and tried

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<v Speaker 2>to harm my children and I killed them in the moment. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I am protecting my family, but as soon as my

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<v Speaker 2>family is safe, I've killed someone, and that would be

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<v Speaker 2>such an impossible thing to reconcile. That is not even

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<v Speaker 2>a just punishment for trying to harm me. Man, Listen,

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<v Speaker 2>if there's a way to get you off of me

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<v Speaker 2>and off of my family, restrain you, or whatever the

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<v Speaker 2>case without your life's possible outcome, I'd love that.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand that there are times when that is not

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<v Speaker 2>the option. You don't have the time to think about that,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have the tools to facilitate that in a

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<v Speaker 2>way that's you know, let me take care of this

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<v Speaker 2>person that's to harm me or those I care about.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me make sure I'm being graceful to them. And

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<v Speaker 2>in that moment that might not be the case. But

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<v Speaker 2>we've become because of kind of our militarization. Our military

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<v Speaker 2>has a great marketing department. Let me say it like that,

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<v Speaker 2>so video games, movies, It makes the military look like

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<v Speaker 2>a really cool thing. And I think it's a necessary thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that those who enlist voluntarily to defend

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<v Speaker 2>us are incredible people, right, But a lot of them

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<v Speaker 2>come back from war different different because murder is murder,

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<v Speaker 2>and most of the times our governments, I don't just

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<v Speaker 2>mean ours in the US, I mean collectively as human beings,

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<v Speaker 2>justify murder as a means to protect wealth and resources,

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<v Speaker 2>not human life, and the defense of our rights to survive.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, over there, there's some stuff that they own

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<v Speaker 2>that we want or that we own that they want,

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<v Speaker 2>and as a measure of deciding who's going to own

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<v Speaker 2>that piece of land, those resources that are in that land,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to murder each other until one of the

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<v Speaker 2>group's decides, Okay, if we've lost too much, you got it.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been seeing this for our whole lives, so we're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the numb to that idea. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>part of you know, why Vietnam became so unpopular is

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<v Speaker 2>because very very brave journalists and people went over there

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<v Speaker 2>to get images of it so that we could see

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<v Speaker 2>how bad it was. Because even though we determined that

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<v Speaker 2>Vietnamese people were our enemy at that time, when we

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<v Speaker 2>started to see how our soldiers and their soldiers were

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<v Speaker 2>being affected and impacted and their people and our people

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<v Speaker 2>being affected and impacted by that war, it became far

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<v Speaker 2>less popular. And I think it's very important that there

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<v Speaker 2>are so many journalists, creators, activists sharing content from over there,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's easy to say yeah, that group attacked them,

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<v Speaker 2>so they just attacked them back. Well, that's not fair,

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<v Speaker 2>right when the klu Klux Klan attacks, marches, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>harms a black person, we do not get to collectively

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<v Speaker 2>say that white people as a whole are terrorist or

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<v Speaker 2>bad people. When there is a bad faith actor that

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<v Speaker 2>belongs to a group, the entire group should not become

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<v Speaker 2>a part of the retaliation or the justice or the

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<v Speaker 2>judgment of the bad faith actor.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you said, just like in the wake of

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<v Speaker 1>nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, trying to put this bail over all Islamic

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<v Speaker 2>and Muslim people as being terrorists was grossly irresponsible, but

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people did it. Lack of information but

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<v Speaker 2>also a readiness to other and hate. We're primed, so

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even take much to point out a group. Right

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<v Speaker 2>when our former president called, you know, COVID nineteen, the

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<v Speaker 2>Chinese flew a group was ready to be angry and

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<v Speaker 2>to other Asian people and harmed them. We saw it

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<v Speaker 2>happen in real time because we made an enemy of them.

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<v Speaker 2>So people have found out a masterful way to other

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<v Speaker 2>people to make them less than so that they can

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<v Speaker 2>easily justify and reconcile inhumane treatment of those people, something

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<v Speaker 2>that black people in this country have unfortunately been dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with for the entirety of this country's foundation.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do this. So there's an individual named Gabriel Miller.

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<v Speaker 1>He gave a passionate speech at the Chicago City Council

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<v Speaker 1>and he kind of spoke to a lot of what

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<v Speaker 1>you said, a lot of what was being misrepped presented

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<v Speaker 1>in journalism. Initially, we were under the impression that the

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<v Speaker 1>terrorist group Hamas I'll say they're a terrorist group because

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<v Speaker 1>they attacked innocent on the left at the concert. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that much is true. They said that they were

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<v Speaker 1>beheading babies, and they used that falsehood to justify the

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<v Speaker 1>response from Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So this guy, Gabriel, and that response not being

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<v Speaker 2>targeted at that group, right exactly what I mean, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>comprehensively and collectively wipe out all Palestinians as a response

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<v Speaker 2>to this small group.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, sure, exactly. So I want to play this clip.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good while, but listen to it because I

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<v Speaker 1>think that he says it best. What people who feel

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<v Speaker 1>like Palestine we need to pay attention to Palestine too.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what those people might feel like, so, let's

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<v Speaker 1>play this hello and.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you for having it to provide our comment. I

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<v Speaker 4>would like to add my voice to the course here

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<v Speaker 4>today in opposition to this ridiculous resolution.

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<v Speaker 3>At a time when the.

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<v Speaker 4>Rest of the world is condemning Israel for committing war

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<v Speaker 4>crime after war crime, Chicago is fiddling around on whether

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<v Speaker 4>to condemn Hamas by doing so, Chicago will be doing

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<v Speaker 4>its part in enabling the genocide of Palestinians.

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<v Speaker 3>And this resolution acts.

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<v Speaker 4>Like it's on the side of innocent civilians. So in

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<v Speaker 4>that case, I like to add, are you considering.

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<v Speaker 3>A resolution condemning Israel.

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<v Speaker 4>For using white phosphorus against the civilian population? Are you

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<v Speaker 4>considering condemning Israel for its planned war crime a forced

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<v Speaker 4>removal of one million Palestinians from northern Gaza.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you going to condemn them for.

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<v Speaker 4>Cutting off food, water and electricity to Gaza another war

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<v Speaker 4>crime called collective punishment?

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<v Speaker 3>Did it ever.

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<v Speaker 4>Cross your mind to condemn Israel when they assassinated Palestinian

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<v Speaker 4>journalist Sharen Abu Accola in broad daylight, or when they

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<v Speaker 4>brutalize the people carrying her costs and peacefully, or when

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<v Speaker 4>Israeli sniper's killed innocent people processors throughout the March of Return,

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<v Speaker 4>that the people in office before you ever consider condemning

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<v Speaker 4>Israel at any point its inception, when it crams a

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<v Speaker 4>country full of people into a sixty mile corner of

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<v Speaker 4>their own country, creating the largest concentration camp in history,

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<v Speaker 4>the largest open air prison in the world, the answer

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<v Speaker 4>is a resounding no. You never considered it, nor did

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<v Speaker 4>your ancestors. But unfortunately for you, concept change. The world

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<v Speaker 4>is increasingly aware of the crimes of Israel and increasingly

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<v Speaker 4>aware of the framework of politicians who enable their continued

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<v Speaker 4>apartheid by resolutions such as these, and in the city

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<v Speaker 4>like Chicago, with majority black and brown people who have

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<v Speaker 4>experienced the apartheid like conditions of oppression in the United States,

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<v Speaker 4>a generation of young people have emerged to understand immediately

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<v Speaker 4>that we have everything in common with the television people

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<v Speaker 4>and nothing in common with the brutal Zionist under.

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<v Speaker 3>Who they suffer. A generation of people who.

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<v Speaker 4>Are not surprised when we find out that our politicians

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<v Speaker 4>up to our president, spread lives about forty baby being

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<v Speaker 4>beheaded in order to rationalize genocide. We're only surprised that

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<v Speaker 4>they're forced to walk those lives back, but of course

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<v Speaker 4>the damage is done.

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<v Speaker 3>People are still.

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<v Speaker 4>Spewing the defunct lies about rape and massacre baby, even

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<v Speaker 4>here in this very meeting, when actually there's endless evidence

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<v Speaker 4>of Israel having killed over five hundred babies in the

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<v Speaker 4>last forty eight hours alone, having dropped more bombs than

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<v Speaker 4>twenty four hours, and the US dropped on Afghanistan in

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<v Speaker 4>one year. And finally, let it be known that condemning

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<v Speaker 4>the attack as the actions of some friends group misses

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<v Speaker 4>the point of what's going on. The attacks were carried

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<v Speaker 4>out by broad coalition of groups from every section of

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<v Speaker 4>Palestine society, not just a mob. That coalition represents a

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<v Speaker 4>people determined to attain freedom at any cost, and they

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<v Speaker 4>have arrived at this point in the face of a

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<v Speaker 4>broad coalition of right wing Zionists and the supporters like

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<v Speaker 4>those in the City Council, who would start a meeting

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<v Speaker 4>with a prayer calling for their attempts at freedom, a

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<v Speaker 4>second holocaust, where are so silent you could hear a

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<v Speaker 4>rep song kindness when innocent, peaceful Palestinians are annihilated day

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<v Speaker 4>in and day out, like the Native Americans.

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<v Speaker 3>Of this country.

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<v Speaker 4>If it were another time, these same people will be

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<v Speaker 4>condemning Africans.

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<v Speaker 3>For rebelling against the slave masters and slavery, such as

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<v Speaker 3>Nat Turner or in a Haitian revolution. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're going to have something to say. That's

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<v Speaker 1>your first time hearing that, right, Yes, that is okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so your initial thoughts there.

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<v Speaker 2>I think some things that he said were very important.

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<v Speaker 2>Using words like Zionism, right, because I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>that means. Well, you'll hear people speak about this being

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<v Speaker 2>anti Semitic. Right, having empathy towards Palestinian babies being murdered

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<v Speaker 2>makes you anti Semitic. And what he pointed out was Zionism,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the idea that all of the land in

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<v Speaker 2>that region belongs to the people of Jerusalem and Israel

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<v Speaker 2>and that they should be able to forcefully take that

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<v Speaker 2>land over, which is not the same thing as just

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<v Speaker 2>being Jewish and practicing your faith and believing in love

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<v Speaker 2>for all people. You were saying about your treatment by

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish friends that you have. We have some mutual Jewish friends,

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<v Speaker 2>some of the best people that we've ever come across.

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<v Speaker 2>I think love for all humanity is a much more

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<v Speaker 2>accurate way to paint the way that Jewish people feel.

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<v Speaker 2>But you have extremists on both sides of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Anxiety mean a Jewish extremist. What that means.

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<v Speaker 2>I can get you the exact definition for that if

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<v Speaker 2>you would.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, sure, sure, well, let me while you're looking that up,

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<v Speaker 1>let me say this. So that was one part of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was the person, obviously who felt very strongly

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<v Speaker 1>about the treatment of the Palestinian people. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think that person was wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>So Zionism, by definition a movement for originally re establishing

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<v Speaker 2>and now developing protection of a Jewish nation in what

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<v Speaker 2>is now Israel. It was established as a political organization

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<v Speaker 2>in eighteen ninety seven under Theodore Herzel and was later

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<v Speaker 2>led by I think time wise men.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so it's either a political party or an extremist group,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the two. I don't know. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to speak on that, but I do want to say

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<v Speaker 1>that we've played the audio from this one. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to play some audio from John Stewart, and I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to recall some a conversation that I had on the

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<v Speaker 1>Black Information Network, which is up still with Amy Horowitz,

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<v Speaker 1>who's also Jewish. John Stewart and him both coming up