Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford and he is my trusted colleague,
Speaker 1: Wes Hodko. It's we're coming to you here from our
Speaker 1: studios at lambeau Field and West. O t A s
Speaker 1: are underway. And for those who are wondering what that means.
Speaker 1: O t A stands for Organized Team Activity. It's just
Speaker 1: a fancy phrase or acronym, whatever you wanna call it
Speaker 1: for a spring practice in the NFL, which is no pads,
Speaker 1: helmets and shorts. Um. Really, what it boils down to
Speaker 1: is the Packers using the next few weeks to install
Speaker 1: their playbooks on offense and defense, which makes this set
Speaker 1: of O t A sessions not quite your garden variety
Speaker 1: annual O t A s Because the Packers have brand
Speaker 1: new offensive coordinator, brand new defensive coordinator. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of work to be done, a lot of change, even
Speaker 1: for the veteran players who are coming back with what
Speaker 1: they need to learn. Yeah, I mean, and I think
Speaker 1: this is a really interesting year because you have guys
Speaker 1: like Clay Matthews who are going to be learning a
Speaker 1: new playbook for the first time in their career after
Speaker 1: working solely and Dom's Caper system for being the better
Speaker 1: part of nine years. So yeah, it's always interesting. There's
Speaker 1: always some small minor tweaks that you notice, whether it's
Speaker 1: how players are utilized or you know, just changes that
Speaker 1: players have made in their own you know, body and conditioning.
Speaker 1: The thing I guess I look for the most in
Speaker 1: this and you touched on it was the installation. Uh
Speaker 1: So in some ways this is sort of like an
Speaker 1: exaggerated walk through, but at the same time, you're getting
Speaker 1: so many different guys meeting at a center point, the
Speaker 1: rookies coming in for the first time, uh and practicing
Speaker 1: now with the veterans and having to catch up to
Speaker 1: speed the veterans in this particular instance, both on offense
Speaker 1: with Joe Philbin now back his offensive coordinator and with
Speaker 1: Mike Petton as a defensive coordinator, learning what's going to
Speaker 1: be asked of them in the scheme, Jimmy Graham coming
Speaker 1: in as a free agent. So it's like it's been
Speaker 1: four months of build to this point and now you
Speaker 1: have everybody kind of meeting at the crossroads on this
Speaker 1: ninety man roster. And if people are wondering just how
Speaker 1: how okay, So how do you go about installing a playbook? Like,
Speaker 1: what does that mean? Well, it's about breaking down the
Speaker 1: playbook into the different segments, and the different segments being
Speaker 1: the different situations that are part of a football game.
Speaker 1: That's really the best way I can describe it. And
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is you have your what
Speaker 1: are called your normal down and distance, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of your first and ten, second and seven all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But then the rest of the game
Speaker 1: of football is all about situations, third downs, red zone,
Speaker 1: short yardage, goal line backed up, which is when your
Speaker 1: offense is back like on its own five yard line,
Speaker 1: you know, where you have to kind of be careful
Speaker 1: how to how to make your way out. So it's
Speaker 1: all about the playbook has a certain set of situations
Speaker 1: and plays for all of those, uh, circumstances that come
Speaker 1: up and then obvious, so you have them both on
Speaker 1: offense and on defense. So that's what they're walking through.
Speaker 1: As you said, it's kind of an exaggerated walkthrough, although
Speaker 1: they do some stuff pretty close to full speed, but
Speaker 1: it's not full contact because you don't have pads on, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: and you've got guys that you know you're hoping for
Speaker 1: at this point, and Mike McCarthy talked about it is
Speaker 1: Tuesday morning news conference, you know, mental errors, cutting down
Speaker 1: on that, making sure the tempo is where it needs
Speaker 1: to be. Now, is it going to be at the
Speaker 1: same tempo that you're going to have in July or
Speaker 1: what you expected to be in July. No, but if
Speaker 1: you're able to stay to that script and be efficient
Speaker 1: in the time that you have. These practices are so
Speaker 1: important from the standpoint of we know the restrictions that
Speaker 1: are in place now with the offseason program, and they've
Speaker 1: been in place for the last seven eight years. Coaches
Speaker 1: have had to tailor their game plans that players have
Speaker 1: had to adapt to it. Guys had to do more studying,
Speaker 1: you know, and being in their playbooks so when they
Speaker 1: are on the field, they're making the most of that time. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I think the thing for me that's always interesting
Speaker 1: as well as you know Aaron Rodgers, is at these
Speaker 1: practices you have the top guys and at least the
Speaker 1: way the Packers do it with their workoup bonuses and whatnot.
Speaker 1: More often, not every year that I can remember, the
Speaker 1: top guys have been here with maybe the exception of
Speaker 1: one year I think where maybe Sam Shields wasn't, but
Speaker 1: other have their incentives incentives there. So what the point
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make with that is you have these
Speaker 1: rookie receivers coming in, this is their first work with
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Jimmy Graham's first work with Aaron Rodgers. These
Speaker 1: guys getting up to speed not only with the playbook
Speaker 1: but also with the very best in the game at quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: So yeah, in some ways it doesn't really have like
Speaker 1: this big hype and build like Training Camp does. The
Speaker 1: twenty Training Camp practices where you know every day is
Speaker 1: so important, but it's still in its own right and
Speaker 1: own regard. It's in a very important time for these
Speaker 1: guys because after this, when you get through this segment
Speaker 1: of practices and you get to mini camps, once you know,
Speaker 1: July comes around, guys have to be up to speed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's that was a key point that Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: made in talking about particularly the rookies and the young guys.
Speaker 1: And we'll talk a little bit later in the show
Speaker 1: about maybe some competitions that are getting started to keep
Speaker 1: an eye on, but you don't want to overplay the
Speaker 1: competition part of it. At this stage, it's really with
Speaker 1: especially with regards to the young players. Mike McCarthy made
Speaker 1: it very clear it's about keeping up. He wants to
Speaker 1: see guys who can keep up mentally in the playbook
Speaker 1: not look completely lost out there with the other veterans.
Speaker 1: And there will be stages through O t a S
Speaker 1: in the mini camp between now in the middle of June,
Speaker 1: where veterans will be given the day off and then
Speaker 1: the coaching staff actually goes back through all of the
Speaker 1: things that haven't gone quite so well in the O
Speaker 1: t a S to that point with the rookies, and
Speaker 1: they review everything and give them a practice where they
Speaker 1: can focus on maybe some do over, so to speak,
Speaker 1: so that come the end of July, it's like everybody
Speaker 1: you know is in the starting blocks and let's go. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I strongly encourage people not to pay too much
Speaker 1: attention to the depth charts. I mean, I've covered practices
Speaker 1: where Alex Green took snaps before Eddie Lacey before his
Speaker 1: eventual Rookie of the Year season, Matt Blancher taking snaps
Speaker 1: before Brett Hunley back in two thousand fifteen. That's just
Speaker 1: the way this thing goes. Veterans are going to be
Speaker 1: the guys leading the groups at first, but once you
Speaker 1: get to train camp, you know those things will start
Speaker 1: to sort themselves out. All right. With that, we're gonna
Speaker 1: go to a break back with more on Packers Unscripted
Speaker 1: right after this. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford
Speaker 1: in this chair, West hodk wits in that one. So okay, West.
Speaker 1: The Packers have three weeks worth of O T A
Speaker 1: s here. One each week is open to the public
Speaker 1: for those who are local. That would be May two,
Speaker 1: May thirty one, and June four before the mini camp.
Speaker 1: Then June twelve through fourteen, So three weeks of O
Speaker 1: T as one week of mini camp. What's the kind
Speaker 1: of the biggest thing maybe you've got your eye on
Speaker 1: as you go out to watch some of these workouts, Well,
Speaker 1: if you think about it, Mike, the Packers had four
Speaker 1: big acquisitions in the off season, Jimmy Graham, mo will Kerson,
Speaker 1: Truman Williams, and then also Deshaun Kaiser, who was acquired
Speaker 1: in that trade from the Cleveland Browns. Mike McCarthy has
Speaker 1: talked a lot about Kaiser this offseason. He even mentioned,
Speaker 1: I think it was shortly after the draft um that
Speaker 1: it was. It was a rookie orientation camp actually, where
Speaker 1: you know, he felt like if DeShawn Kaiser would have
Speaker 1: stayed another year at Notre Dame, he would have been
Speaker 1: in that same conversation with those top four or five
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in this year's draft class, as far as you know,
Speaker 1: the top ten and in that area they've Packers feel
Speaker 1: really good about the prospect they're getting. But as he
Speaker 1: also talked about on Tuesday, I mean, he's young, and
Speaker 1: he's having to learn a new system after dedicating himself
Speaker 1: to being the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns for
Speaker 1: fifteen games as a twenty one year old rookie quarterback.
Speaker 1: So in some ways you have to flush that now
Speaker 1: move forward and understand your role behind Aaron Rodgers. That
Speaker 1: competition for the number two spot between him and Brett Huntley.
Speaker 1: I've been very you know, open about this since the
Speaker 1: day that they acquired him. I think this is the
Speaker 1: biggest competition the Packers have had now in you know,
Speaker 1: really ten years. I think going back to when Brian
Speaker 1: Brown was drafted and Matt Flynn came in as the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks as far as the quarterbacks, absolutely, Uh, two guys
Speaker 1: that I think you have a lot of experience. I've
Speaker 1: had a lot of playing time now in the NFL
Speaker 1: getting a chance to you know, push each other now
Speaker 1: for that number two spots. Yeah, it's an interesting challenge
Speaker 1: for Kaiser because he goes from Notre Dame to the
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns and so you're learning a whole new offensive
Speaker 1: system as a rookie and now his second year in
Speaker 1: the NFL he's got to start over again and learn
Speaker 1: the whole new thing again. Now he did go to
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, so there's gotta be some you know, some
Speaker 1: smarts there. I think he's gonna pick things up, you know,
Speaker 1: fairly quickly, maybe relatively speaking. But but that being said,
Speaker 1: this is this is a big challenge. This is not
Speaker 1: an easy situation for him to walk into. But he
Speaker 1: is walking into a situation where there's a coaching staff
Speaker 1: in a personnel department that really liked him coming out
Speaker 1: of college and they're very interested to see how he
Speaker 1: can perform in this offense and with this coaching staff.
Speaker 1: And here's the other thing too, Mike frank Signetti, the
Speaker 1: new quarterbacks coach, Mike McCarthy all these guys that are
Speaker 1: going to be working with him. The one benefit that
Speaker 1: Kaiser had out of that season with the Browns is
Speaker 1: they have roughly eight offensive snaps to review last year
Speaker 1: what happened in Cleveland. Now, like I said, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a transition going into this offense, but they can
Speaker 1: break down the mechanics, they can break down the decision making,
Speaker 1: they can look at what he did and where the
Speaker 1: emphasis needs to be. Now that he's in Green Bay.
Speaker 1: That's a huge benefit. And in the same vein Brett
Speaker 1: Huntley is in the same boat after starting I believe
Speaker 1: it was nine games last season for the Packers, in
Speaker 1: the ups and downs that he experienced, the highs of
Speaker 1: you know, Pittsburgh and some of the lows along the way. Now,
Speaker 1: trying to have those guys take the next step. By
Speaker 1: no means is either one of those guys a finished
Speaker 1: product at this point. And I think that's the thing
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy has been preaching. In addition, um, you know,
Speaker 1: you also have have Tim Boyle in that conversation as well,
Speaker 1: that they're as an undrafted rookie now out of Eastern Kentucky.
Speaker 1: So a lot of different things for the packers to consider,
Speaker 1: But I think that that competition, seeing how all those
Speaker 1: guys push each other behind Aaron Rodgers, will be one
Speaker 1: of the more compelling things to watch in training camp.
Speaker 1: And as much as is going to potentially be written
Speaker 1: about it, we'll be talking about it on this show. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, through the spring, nothing is going to be
Speaker 1: decided as far as this number two quarterback thing until
Speaker 1: we get through the preseason. There isn't even a decision made.
Speaker 1: I don't believe as as to how many quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: gonna be kept on the fifty three man roster at
Speaker 1: the end of training camp. This is just the beginning
Speaker 1: of what's going to be a long process to sort
Speaker 1: things out here for who will be the number two
Speaker 1: guy behind Aaron Rodgers should anything happen again. Hopefully it
Speaker 1: won't like last year. And Mike McCarthy has been very
Speaker 1: open about this. I'd seen in the last four or
Speaker 1: five years, if he had his druthers, he'd loved to
Speaker 1: have four quarterbacks on the roster at all times. You know,
Speaker 1: three guys on the roster, a guy on the practice squad. Sure,
Speaker 1: the mentality has kind of changed a little bit there
Speaker 1: and yeah, well that fourth guy, if you would ever
Speaker 1: go that direction, isn't gonna get much work. There is
Speaker 1: a benefit to being able to have them constantly in
Speaker 1: the meeting rooms and have them involved because of all
Speaker 1: the time you're missing now in the off season program,
Speaker 1: and and obviously the encyclopedia of information that Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: is the situational play itself out. We've seen the Packers
Speaker 1: to four through the first three preseason games. We've see them,
Speaker 1: you know, go with three right at the start. They've
Speaker 1: they've taken two in a season, they've taken three into
Speaker 1: a season. Basically, as you kind of alluded to it,
Speaker 1: there's really been no set patterns. So seeing how these
Speaker 1: guys perform and who rises to that challenge is going
Speaker 1: to be ultimately what dictates who's going to be on
Speaker 1: that fifty three and who will be around on week one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: another new acquisition you mentioned was Jimmy Graham, and I
Speaker 1: want to get to him after the breakback with Moron
Speaker 1: Packers Unscripted right after this Welcome back to Packers Unscripted.
Speaker 1: Mike Spofford here, Wes Hodko, wits over there West, Jimmy Graham,
Speaker 1: the Packers new tight end. Again, an interesting situation because
Speaker 1: this will be the third consecutive year that Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: and the offense will be incorporating a new tight end
Speaker 1: and a potentially significant weapon in this offense um into things.
Speaker 1: Jared Cook two thousand sixteen, Martella Spente and Lance Kendricks
Speaker 1: now in it's Jimmy Graham certainly an accomplished player. When
Speaker 1: we heard from him at the start of offseason workouts
Speaker 1: in the middle of April, sounded he sounded to me
Speaker 1: like a guy who was awfully excited to be here
Speaker 1: and to learn this offense and to work with Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers and to and to get things going. Kind of
Speaker 1: a guy who feels like maybe he's still got a
Speaker 1: little bit to prove when some of his statistics numbers
Speaker 1: from those years in Seattle obviously didn't match up to
Speaker 1: what he did in New Orleans. It's really funny, though, Mike,
Speaker 1: because if there's you know, the stats being what they are,
Speaker 1: there's still a lot of tight ends out there that
Speaker 1: would have taken those But you know, Graham set the
Speaker 1: standards so high in New Orleans with how he was
Speaker 1: utilizing his productivity those four or five years that you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know how many people could have reached that
Speaker 1: level moving on to the next spot, But I think
Speaker 1: he sees Green Bay's offense, He sees the connection with
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Mike McCarthy as a condo where to returning
Speaker 1: to that kind of form. Going back to the beginning
Speaker 1: of the offseason program, the first thing he stated when
Speaker 1: people asked, when reporters asked if he's still that same guy,
Speaker 1: he mentioned he still runs a four or five, he's
Speaker 1: still six ft seven, those tools he believes are still
Speaker 1: with him. And now having the chance to come into
Speaker 1: Green Bay. Uh, this really you watch you look historically
Speaker 1: at the way the Packers offense is structured, and and
Speaker 1: there's so many guys that if a guy gets cut
Speaker 1: or he becomes a free agent, that fans are always like,
Speaker 1: you know, they need to sign him. Probably more than
Speaker 1: anybody during my time on the beat that's been linked
Speaker 1: to the Packers that's made more like Jimmy Graham is
Speaker 1: the one that's made the most sense because of the
Speaker 1: parallels to what the Saints did and because of exactly
Speaker 1: how the Packers used the tight end in their offense.
Speaker 1: I thought Jared Cook was a great example of the
Speaker 1: type of body type and the type of player you
Speaker 1: want Jamichael Finley. I think they got away from that
Speaker 1: a little bit with Martellis Bennett. But now bringing in
Speaker 1: Graham as a slot type receiver, a hybrid, I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna go a long way to get in this
Speaker 1: offense back to where once to be. Yeah, when you
Speaker 1: look back to two years ago when Jared Cook came in,
Speaker 1: the impression that I got is that I think everything
Speaker 1: with Cook would have progressed a lot faster and a
Speaker 1: lot more smoothly if not for the injuries he had.
Speaker 1: Something He had injury situations both in the off season
Speaker 1: and in the regular season. And then we saw when
Speaker 1: the Packers were below five hundred in the middle of November,
Speaker 1: and when Jared Cook was back to full strength, suddenly
Speaker 1: the offense hit a different gear. You know, was was
Speaker 1: at a different level. Obviously, you don't want to have
Speaker 1: to wait till Thanksgiving for that to happen again here
Speaker 1: in eighteen. But if Jimmy Graham is healthy, with Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers his knowledge, his experience, I don't see the chemistry
Speaker 1: the incorporation taking too long. As long as both guys
Speaker 1: are on the field and getting their work well, and
Speaker 1: might go back to let's go back to Michael Finley's
Speaker 1: rookie year in his second NFL season, um and as
Speaker 1: he started to really come into his own as a
Speaker 1: tight end, what was the thing that worked so well
Speaker 1: for him? It was the fact that he could be
Speaker 1: in the slot, he could be on the boundary, no
Speaker 1: matter where he was lining up, he could be in
Speaker 1: line tight end. The defense had to respect that, The
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator had to account for that. And really that's
Speaker 1: why I've said before I think the Packers, when this
Speaker 1: offense is at its best, has that type of threat
Speaker 1: in the offense. Randall Cobb, you don't know where he's
Speaker 1: gonna be. Davante Adams has shown he can play anywhere
Speaker 1: he needs to be, although obviously he he got his
Speaker 1: contract and Pro Bowl accolades working from the outside. When
Speaker 1: you have that kind of multiplicity and that kind of versatility,
Speaker 1: I think it adds a different dimension. I've said it before,
Speaker 1: I'll say it one more time. The threat of a
Speaker 1: healthy Randall Cob and having Jimmy Graham, their body types
Speaker 1: of the different ways that they can be utilized, I
Speaker 1: think could really be the backbone of this offense going
Speaker 1: into two thousand eighteen. Yeah, I agree with you. I
Speaker 1: think I think if if fans are wondering, who is
Speaker 1: the biggest X factor when it comes to this Packers offense,
Speaker 1: when you're talking about you know, Philbin being back and
Speaker 1: the new playbook, and you know Time Montgomery being healthy again,
Speaker 1: the rookie running backs from last year having another year
Speaker 1: of experience. If I'm talking about one X actor for
Speaker 1: this offense and the guy at the top of my
Speaker 1: list is Graham, yeah it is. And I think, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, we'll see again how it plays out. Guys
Speaker 1: up to stay healthy. But this is one of the
Speaker 1: deeper cores the Packers have had offensively in terms of
Speaker 1: the competition. So I think seeing that cream rise to
Speaker 1: the top during training camp and how that really influences
Speaker 1: what that week one lineup looks like is going to
Speaker 1: be something that's gonna be pretty exciting for fans. A track.
Speaker 1: All right, with that, we will go to another break
Speaker 1: back with more and Packers Unscripted right after this. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford alongside West hodkuh its West.
Speaker 1: Before we go, we have to touch on the defense here,
Speaker 1: and we've been talking a lot of offense today on
Speaker 1: the show. You mentioned Mo will excuse me, Mo. Wilkerson
Speaker 1: obviously a key free agent acquisition in the off season.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly how much we're gonna be able
Speaker 1: to see or tell about a guy like Wilkerson during
Speaker 1: O t A s when the pads aren't on, you know,
Speaker 1: there isn't the contact. I mean, I'm sure he's gonna
Speaker 1: make his presence known, but we'll we'll definitely see more
Speaker 1: of that come training camp on the defensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball. Aside from that, anything else you in particular
Speaker 1: will have your eye on. For the first time in
Speaker 1: nine years, eight years, the Packers have a new starting
Speaker 1: safety that isn't Morgan Burnett, a guy that started every
Speaker 1: single game that he played for Green Bay Ha ha,
Speaker 1: Clinton Dicks. I think is obviously picked up that mantle
Speaker 1: of leadership there. But who's going to be that guy
Speaker 1: that emerges? And the thing that's interesting about with Burnett
Speaker 1: is that it isn't just one spot. Really, it's inside
Speaker 1: hybrid linebacker. It was him playing slot cornerback. It was
Speaker 1: obviously his strong suit at strong safety. The ways that
Speaker 1: Dom Capers used him all right, that that that piece
Speaker 1: of the puzzle is no longer there. So who emerges
Speaker 1: in steps up to that challenge. The Packers had a
Speaker 1: lot of different ways they could have addressed this. Could
Speaker 1: have went the draft, could have went free agency. They're
Speaker 1: sticking by their guy, and that's Josh Jones and Kentrol
Speaker 1: Bryce and Marwin Evans and the litany of We talked
Speaker 1: for these past two years about how deep the Packers
Speaker 1: are at safety. Well, they're gonna tap into that now
Speaker 1: and see who it will emerge. U Mike McCarthy talked
Speaker 1: about it on Tuesday morning. The fact that you know
Speaker 1: Josh Jones, the experience he had last year kind of
Speaker 1: getting thrown into fire in a lot of different positions.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was a little too much on his plate.
Speaker 1: This year, the Packers are going to focus on one,
Speaker 1: maybe two positions with him and seeing how he responds
Speaker 1: to that. I think watching who emerges that that that
Speaker 1: safety spot next to Hahak, Clinton Dixon, who else could
Speaker 1: push for playing time in this nickel and dime packages.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be one of the intriguing things. And also
Speaker 1: how a guy like Mike Petton likes to use those players.
Speaker 1: Discovering that along this process will be will be something
Speaker 1: to watch. Yeah, and that's what I'll be watching for
Speaker 1: two just in terms of because with Mike Petton, you
Speaker 1: know the question of you know, well do you run
Speaker 1: a four three or three four? And his answer is yes,
Speaker 1: you know, so I want I just want to watch
Speaker 1: and see with regards to the front seven, when you're
Speaker 1: talking about Wilkerson, Mike Daniels, Kenny Clark, Clay Matthews, Nick
Speaker 1: Perry or In Burr exploit hunting as Jake Ryan, you know,
Speaker 1: Dean Lowry, all these guys that are in the in
Speaker 1: the front seven, you know they're going to be in
Speaker 1: the mix. Okay, So how many how many different alignments,
Speaker 1: how many different combinations maybe are we going to see
Speaker 1: as as we head through the spring and get towards
Speaker 1: training camp. Will there be some four three looks? Will
Speaker 1: there be the classic three four looks? Obviously with the
Speaker 1: with the nickel um, you know you're only going to
Speaker 1: have the two inside linebackers. But then who are those
Speaker 1: guys on the edge? You know, who are who are
Speaker 1: the key interior rushers? The packers have a lot of options.
Speaker 1: Certainly on the interior. With regards to the front seven,
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna be keeping an eye on just
Speaker 1: what further options developed on the edge aside from Clay
Speaker 1: Matthews and Nick Perry, the proven veterans, and the main
Speaker 1: reason in addition the fact that you know Petton is multiple,
Speaker 1: you know, his whole likable and learnable, but but appearing
Speaker 1: more complex than it is. That is a staple of
Speaker 1: the scheme that he runs, the state, the scheme that
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan ran, and how this defense has been passed
Speaker 1: down to them. But if if you look just strictly
Speaker 1: at Green Bay's roster defensive line, this isn't in all
Speaker 1: due respect to Ryan Pickett, but this isn't the two
Speaker 1: thousand team great defenses. But those guys were just they
Speaker 1: were just in the middle of that guys up. Now,
Speaker 1: these guys the way that the league has evolved here
Speaker 1: with Kenny Clark and Mike Daniels and a guy like
Speaker 1: Moll Wilkerson, these guys can do it all. So how
Speaker 1: do you implement that? And then the other thing I'll
Speaker 1: be tracking too. I don't know if we're gonna be
Speaker 1: able to see it all during training camp is Mohammed
Speaker 1: Wilkerson has played upwards of the defensive snaps throughout his
Speaker 1: NFL career. This guy doesn't come off the field, doubt.
Speaker 1: That doesn't happen often with defensive linemen. These guys get
Speaker 1: in rotations. Usually don't want them above six seven snaps. Well,
Speaker 1: Mike Daniels has been in that realm as well. Kenny
Speaker 1: Clark played a lot last season. How do you divide
Speaker 1: that up? Um? You know? Wilkerson said he talked to
Speaker 1: Mike Petton about it the vision that they have for
Speaker 1: him in this defense. And obviously, while he did not
Speaker 1: tip his hand to what that vision is, he obviously
Speaker 1: liked what he heard because he's in Green Bay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't like to get into the the XS
Speaker 1: and nose of things too much. And I'll be honest
Speaker 1: with you, and I'm watching practice from the sidelines, it's
Speaker 1: a lot harder to kind of follow the XS and
Speaker 1: nose than when we're sitting up in the press box
Speaker 1: during a game and you can see, you know, the
Speaker 1: chess pieces and how they're moving around, like how Clay
Speaker 1: Matthews is moving around, you know, as an example, which
Speaker 1: is something the Packers have done for a lot of years,
Speaker 1: so we'll be talking about this as we go through.
Speaker 1: Things are just getting started here in the spring. But
Speaker 1: I'll say this was it's actually kind of fun that,
Speaker 1: you know, worked at least to this stage of the
Speaker 1: off season, because the draft is over, the players are here.
Speaker 1: Let's go dozens of inbox entries that we've rereading, speculating
Speaker 1: and how this all is gonna look, and it'll probably
Speaker 1: be nothing what we anticipated to be. That is always
Speaker 1: the most important, important and fun part of the office. Yeah,
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