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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, welcome to Buck Brief.

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Speaker 1: On this episode, Tara Paul Mary is with us. He's

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Speaker 1: a senior political correspondent at Puck. Also has a podcast

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Speaker 1: over at The Ringer. Somebody's Got a Win, which is

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Speaker 1: definitely true about the twenty twenty four election. I think

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Speaker 1: it's true. I guess if things got really bad terror,

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Speaker 1: maybe nobody wins. But I'm hoping that's not where any

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Speaker 1: of this goes. No, I think someone is going to

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Speaker 1: end up winning. That's that goal. That's not the goal. No,

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Speaker 1: that is for sure. Before we get into this, because

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the Hunter Biden the

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Speaker 1: implications of the Hunter Biden trial that is probably ending

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Speaker 1: this week, maybe they'll go to next week and it

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Speaker 1: depends on but you know, meaning that the vert. You know,

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Speaker 1: we'll have a verdict pretty soon. But you have a

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Speaker 1: particular connection to all things Hunter Biden firearm case. Tell

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Speaker 1: everybody about this.

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Speaker 2: So it was really weird back in January, right after

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Speaker 2: the inauguration January twenty twenty one, I got a tip

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Speaker 2: about a story in which Hunter Biden got in a

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Speaker 2: fight with Haley Biden, who's.

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Speaker 3: Bo Biden's widow.

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Speaker 2: They were together at the time, they were call them

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Speaker 2: lovers or whatever, and she had found a gun in

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Speaker 2: and threw it out in a public trash can across

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Speaker 2: so I had the police report detailing all of this

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Speaker 2: because the police got involved when Hunter realized, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: you threw the gun out in the trash can, like

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Speaker 2: this is going to cause us a lot of problems, right,

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Speaker 2: And they go back to try to find the gun

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Speaker 2: in the trash can and it's not there. So I

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Speaker 2: have this tip, and I had heard from my sources

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Speaker 2: record from the store where Hunter Biden bought the gun

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Speaker 2: and for the most part like I was able to

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Speaker 2: corroborate it from those sources, but uh, the Secret Circuit

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Speaker 3: You are you a drug user? Or do you take drugs?

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Speaker 3: I can't remember exactly what it is, and he said no.

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Speaker 2: And I when I saw that, I was like, oh

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Speaker 2: But at the time I was like, people don't ever

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Speaker 2: They just really are. So I didn't think that anything

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Speaker 2: It's pretty clear cut too, if you actually prosecute this case,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he did it. The facts are not

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Speaker 1: watching some of the coverage of the trial, the defense

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Speaker 1: So I've bought a lot of guns, so I've gone

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Speaker 1: and it is a crime. So that's I didn't realize

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, though, Do you think it

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Speaker 1: I mean, Trump just got convicted of something farcical in

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Speaker 1: New York. But put that aside, his numbers looking great,

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Speaker 1: maybe better than they ever have before. Is Biden's conviction hunter,

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a good question.

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Speaker 2: I think that it's not great in the same way

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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, you can think what you.

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Speaker 2: Want about the charges, but there's like such a small

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Speaker 2: and you don't want anything that's going to push them

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Speaker 2: so to put one of those members in prison helps

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Speaker 3: At the same time, some might say it.

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Speaker 2: Shows that like the Biden administration is showing, you know,

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Speaker 2: equanimity by making sure that if Trump is indicted and

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Speaker 2: then so is their son that they're not getting involved.

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Speaker 2: I think it cuts both ways. It depends, like I

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Speaker 2: But back to the argument about like whether they're on

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Speaker 2: like what does addicted mean?

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Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Because I think that the wording is are you addicted

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Speaker 2: or what? How do you define addiction?

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Speaker 3: Right? Like there's no.

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Speaker 2: Doctor that's going to hand out a form and says

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Speaker 1: But that's the.

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Speaker 2: Idea that Hunter is a drag on Biden. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 2: Like to some people, they feel like poor Hunter, like

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Speaker 2: somebody one way or another, like someone's like and I

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Speaker 2: think it'll probably be a lot of low information voters

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Speaker 2: why it's in jail, because most voters are low information voters, right.

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Speaker 2: It's all about like the impression, and that's why words

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Speaker 2: like convicted, felon or you know, those words matter.

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Speaker 1: Well. So this is interesting because I think that the

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Speaker 1: Democrats strategy, at least in New York was just to

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Speaker 1: get to the conviction, and then to your point, it

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Speaker 1: just becomes a property. It just becomes the propagandistic repetition

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Speaker 1: of convicted felon. However, you talk to Democrats, you talk

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Speaker 1: to Republicans. I would talk to more Democrats in you know,

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Speaker 1: off it, but they won't talk to me. Tara. You

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Speaker 1: need to tell them that, you know, I mean, I.

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Speaker 3: Got them, so they want to know.

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Speaker 1: Probably not, but like they should talk to me anyway.

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Speaker 1: But so it's I'm not saying they're wrong for not

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Speaker 1: talking to me. Necessarily, they should be just.

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Speaker 2: Like Gavin Newsom and just be willing to go after

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, they should definitely be willing to exchange ideas,

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Speaker 2: They no, no, no, no, no, no, they think like it's kind

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Speaker 2: of no. They believe it's an existential threat. Oh and

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Speaker 2: it's because of the things that Trump has said, like

436
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Speaker 2: he's like I'm going to be a dictator on day one.

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Speaker 2: They're worried about how he's going to use his prosecutorial powers.

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Speaker 2: He says he's going to enact retribution. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: do think some of them are truly, really, really worried,

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Speaker 2: and they haven't for a while. But they're also fully

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Speaker 2: aware that their candidate is probably one of the weakest

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Speaker 2: candidates that they could be running against Trump, the same

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Speaker 2: way that like, Trump isn't exactly the strongest candidate that

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Speaker 2: Republicans could be running either. I think I said this

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Speaker 2: to you offline, like there's a feeling that, like, the

446
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Speaker 2: only person who could lose to Biden is Trump, and

447
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Speaker 2: the only person who could lose to Biden, Sorry, the

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Speaker 2: only person who could lose to Biden is Trump. The

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Speaker 2: only person who can lose to Trump is Biden. They're

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Speaker 2: both like kind of they're kind of weak candidates.

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Speaker 1: And my Trump supporting listeners are getting very upset, as

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Speaker 1: they say, because they would point out in their defense,

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Speaker 1: in their defense on this point Trump, Biden's an incumbent

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Speaker 1: president trailing in every swing state and now even a

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Speaker 1: Democrat who's losing in the popular vote in some polls, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: how could he be? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like, I think he's historically he's historically unpopular. But like

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Speaker 2: when Biden beat Trump last time, Trump was historically unpopular.

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Speaker 2: I don't think at any point in the election in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty, Trump was never ahead of Biden at any point.

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Speaker 2: He was always down five to ten points, always in

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Speaker 2: every poll. And I've been saying this all along that

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Speaker 2: I think Trump could win because I think that, and

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Speaker 2: in the end it was a much closer election than

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Speaker 2: we thought it would be. I think it's really hard

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Speaker 2: to pull Trump voters. I think he's doing better than

467
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Speaker 2: we think he's doing in the polls. I think Trump

468
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Speaker 2: is actually doing better than what we see.

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Speaker 1: If it's this close, that's probably true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because like polsters just don't know how to

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Speaker 2: And I think.

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Speaker 1: But here's the test of what you're saying before about

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Speaker 1: how Trump is as a candidate. I know you could

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Speaker 1: argue this either way, and I can't. It's it's an opinion, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, anyone could make this argument. But would would

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Speaker 1: Nicky Haley be running these kinds of numbers against Biden

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Speaker 1: right now?

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Speaker 3: I think so?

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Speaker 1: Do you think so?

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I think should we take a different voter, like,

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Speaker 2: do I think like that Trump has a group of voters.

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Speaker 2: They're kind of they're low information voters, and they don't

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Speaker 2: tend to always engage me.

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Speaker 1: Oh throw a flag. Trump's low information voters. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that's fair to the Trump voter. I think that

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's one hundred and fifty million

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Speaker 1: people that are.

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Speaker 3: All Trump voters.

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Speaker 2: But I'm saying he brings out a group of voters

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Speaker 2: that don't traditionally vote.

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Speaker 1: Ah. Okay, So now as we can say low propensity voters,

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Speaker 1: how about that low propensity density voters?

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Speaker 3: Probably and they and they don't get their news from

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Speaker 3: traditional sources.

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Speaker 2: That's what we can Maybe there's a sort of media

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Speaker 2: bias to say low information. You're right, they don't get

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Speaker 2: it from the traditional media sources. But and I don't

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Speaker 2: think those people would bring I don't think Mickyla would

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Speaker 2: bring those people up out. But I think she would

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Speaker 2: take back all the people that Trump lost from the party.

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Speaker 1: That suburban women. Is that kind of the main Democratic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she would take back all the soft Republicans.

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Speaker 2: I think she would take back all the Independents. I

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Speaker 2: think she would take those people away from Biden because

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Speaker 2: and I think she'd take Democrats from Biden.

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Speaker 3: I really do.

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Speaker 2: Now do I think she's like the best politician ever

508
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Speaker 2: walked face there?

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: I think Trump has star quality and powers that no

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Speaker 2: one has ever seen in politics before.

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Speaker 3: I really do. And it's like, but at the.

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Speaker 2: End of hes he lost last time as an incumbent too,

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Speaker 2: he's not the strongest candidate. Like, no party would ever

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Speaker 2: rerun the same candidate that just lost in the last election.

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Speaker 1: Well, see, it's interesting because that's where generally I think

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Speaker 1: that that is true, right, And that's that's a true

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Speaker 1: statement that usually you wouldn't have. I think there have

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Speaker 1: been some people historically who have lost in run again,

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Speaker 1: but not I don't know if there's ever been an

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Speaker 1: incumbent who lost ran again and won, i'd have to

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I mean, you know, when you

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Speaker 1: get into like the late eighteen hundred, some of these presidents,

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Speaker 1: it's like nobody remembers them, you know, who cares Some

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Speaker 1: of them then last that long, but number it was

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Speaker 1: like whatever, it's very it's very it's a very different time.

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Speaker 1: But I would just say with Trump, this the the

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Speaker 1: only reason it's interesting, the only reason that he I

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Speaker 1: think he has gotten to the point where he was

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Speaker 1: even the lead candidate in the primary before all of

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Speaker 1: the stuff, you know, the indictment, now the now. The

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Speaker 1: conviction is that there was a sense among a lot

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Speaker 1: of people that he got cheated out of twenty twenty, right,

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Speaker 1: So that whole narrative, whatever one may think of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean that that that put him in a position

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Speaker 1: to run again. I want to ask what you think although.

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Speaker 3: Rohn DeSantis was beating him in the polls in the beginning.

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Speaker 1: That's true, I remember, yeah, and then that in December.

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Speaker 1: There is an argument that maybe Ron it was impossible

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Speaker 1: for anybody to run against Trump in a environment even

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Speaker 1: just where the mar A Lago raid happened, Like that

542
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Speaker 1: was really that really, uh, that's what fired up the base.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Ron was the best candidate of all time, Like.

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Speaker 1: None of them.

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Speaker 3: I didn't find many of them to be very compelling.

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Speaker 1: Ron is I live in Florida, and I moved here

547
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Speaker 1: in part because of what was going on in Florida

548
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Speaker 1: at just like the job that I think was being

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Speaker 1: done here. So I think Ron is an A plus governor.

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Speaker 1: I think his campaign was a C minus. It was

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Speaker 1: not good.

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Speaker 2: There was he had more money than anyone ever to

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Speaker 2: run a primary. Nearly two hundred million dollars he spent

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Speaker 2: on his primary campaign. It's insane. No one has ever

555
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Speaker 2: spent them kind of money. And I got to give

556
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Speaker 2: Trump credit to like, if you look at the amount

557
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Speaker 2: of money that he's spent so far compared to Biden,

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Speaker 2: I mean, not including legal fies, he hasn't spent much

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Speaker 2: money at all, and he's still neck and neck in

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Speaker 2: the polls with Biden.

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Speaker 3: And it was interesting. So I know, you say, like, oh,

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Speaker 3: our Democrats, how do democrats really feel? On my show?

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Speaker 2: Somebody's got to win tomorrow. I've got a former White

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Speaker 2: House official long time, you know, Biden ad on the

565
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Speaker 2: campaign and Nancy Pelosi who said to me they shouldn't

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Speaker 2: be hyping up the fact that he's a convicted felon,

567
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Speaker 2: because it only makes Biden look weaker that he's in

568
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Speaker 2: neck and neck with a convicted felon. Like, this is

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Speaker 2: a candidate that's not even beating a convicted felon. We

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be hyping it up for that reason alone. And

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Speaker 2: so like, I don't think I think Democrats are like

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Speaker 2: very much aware that they have a weak candidate. They

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Speaker 2: are terrified of Trump. They are terrified it, but they

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Speaker 2: have been all along.

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Speaker 3: They really they really right.

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Speaker 1: But you understand the distinction that I'm making between there's terrified,

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Speaker 1: like terrified in an exaggerated sense that he will win

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Speaker 1: because like, oh God, we need Biden to win, and

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Speaker 1: then there's oh, I need to leave the country because

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Speaker 1: Trump is actually going to be a dictator, like they

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Speaker 1: say things about him. He said. I heard he said

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Speaker 1: I on day one, I'll be a dictator on one thing,

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Speaker 1: which will be like sealing the border, and then I'll

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Speaker 1: stop being a dictator. He's being very true.

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Speaker 3: He did say he will.

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Speaker 2: Okay, fine if you could parse it that way. But

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Speaker 2: I think there was another thing he said though about

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Speaker 2: like that there'll be retribution and that alone, like if

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Speaker 2: I was judge, Mrshawn, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you something. I actually think in some of

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Speaker 1: these cases, and I've made this, uh this case already publicly,

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Speaker 1: there should be retribution within the law for abuse of

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Speaker 1: power of the law, meaning that people that have done

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Speaker 1: things that are in fact illegal or like, yes, I

595
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Speaker 1: think you should go after them. But the people that

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Speaker 1: are advocating for like, let's just indict like Gavin Newsom

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Speaker 1: for you know, for murder for accessory to murder because

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Speaker 1: of like the wide open border. Like no, that doesn't

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Speaker 1: that that just turns into a into a food fight

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Speaker 1: and a mess, and that doesn't actually advance anything. I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't believe that. I don't believe that Trump

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Speaker 1: will do retribution. By the way, and do you.

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Speaker 3: Think kills like do you think kill like in prison journalists?

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Speaker 1: Not even, not even I think that that kind of

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Speaker 1: talk is completely insane. I think that Trump is going

606
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Speaker 1: to be like he was the first time around, you know,

607
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Speaker 1: the first year, he'll maybe go after a couple of

608
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Speaker 1: big things.

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Speaker 2: Actually prosecute Hillary Clinton. I think this time around he

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Speaker 2: would have Prosecutedhillary Clinton.

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Speaker 1: That mean, I mean, look, Hillary broke the law. I know,

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Speaker 1: the classified law is better than ninety five percent of

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Speaker 1: the people that were going on TV talking about it

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Speaker 1: because it was the CIA and I had to actually

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Speaker 1: live by them. She did break the law, There's no

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Speaker 1: question about it. And he decided This is where you

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Speaker 1: get into like does the DOJ work for the president

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Speaker 1: or not? Like we like to live in this world

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Speaker 1: and I think it's semi fictional where the attorney general

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Speaker 1: is independent, not really. He actually serves the president up

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Speaker 1: pleasure of the president. So there's it's like this gray air.

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Speaker 1: It's like Supreme Court justices don't have pology.

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Speaker 2: Barr didn't tell him that Hunter was being investigated before

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Speaker 2: the election.

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Speaker 3: That was shocking to me.

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Speaker 1: Wait, that Hunter was being investigated before the twenty twenty election.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't tell He never told Trump that, and

628
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Speaker 2: that would have been like a useful piece of information

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Speaker 2: in a campaign draw.

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Speaker 1: I think, I look, I think Bill Barr I and

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Speaker 1: I get that a lot for this. I thought Bill

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Speaker 1: Barr was I think he's a very a very fair minded,

633
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Speaker 1: very smart guy and a very good lawyer. And uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, had already been the attorney general before, like

635
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Speaker 1: didn't need this, you know. And so it doesn't surprise

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Speaker 1: me that he would abide by the traditions or the

637
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Speaker 1: you know, the the values of the institution in a

638
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Speaker 1: way that.

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Speaker 2: Trump wanted to fire Jeff Sessions when he put a

640
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Speaker 2: special counsel because the Mollar investigations.

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Speaker 1: So it's like I interviewed Trump and there was the

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Speaker 1: first time and he said he didn't have an attorney

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Speaker 1: general when Jeff Sessions was his attorney general. That was

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Speaker 1: the big line. He's like, not even have an attorney general.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, whoa, I remember that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was me sitting down Sessions yea, And.

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Speaker 2: He really wanted to fire him, Like there were a

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Speaker 2: lot of times when people were like, you can fire

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Speaker 2: a special council, and you cannot fire the attorney general.

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Speaker 3: You have to just stick with them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But what will actually happen is Trump will be

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Speaker 1: Trump if if he were to win, and I think

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Speaker 1: we'd get tax cuts, and I think there'd be some

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Speaker 1: effort to do some stuff about the illegals. The Libs

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Speaker 1: will tie it up in court as quickly as they can.

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Speaker 1: And you know, will he be able and will he

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Speaker 1: be able to deport even let's say a million two

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Speaker 1: million people in the first year, as he has said,

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Speaker 1: and whatever, we'll see. I mean I would put my

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Speaker 1: money on no, So I think it'll be a far less.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like this really serious and intense presidency that's

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Speaker 1: so right wing and crazy to liberals, But if you

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Speaker 1: actually look at the Trump presidency as a matter of policy,

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Speaker 1: like what actually happened, a lot of this stuff was

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Speaker 1: pretty traditional Republican and you know there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian selfies in the Oval office, like it's not

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Speaker 1: it wasn't this far right thing.

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Speaker 3: There's a difference. Though.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I think that he didn't understand the

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Speaker 2: power of the presidency. He was not like Biden. He

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Speaker 2: was not a career politician. He didn't even have his

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Speaker 2: people around him who was doing the transition for him,

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Speaker 2: Jared Kushner and Chris Christie.

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Speaker 3: Now you've got like huge the.

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Speaker 1: Mood was running his transition. Scaramucci, who now makes a

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Speaker 1: living on MSNBC trashing him exactly.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 2: He did not have he did not understand the lovers

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Speaker 2: of power. He didn't have people like actually staffing him

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Speaker 2: up the way he wanted to. He didn't have even

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Speaker 2: policy proposals.

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Speaker 3: It was a mess.

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Speaker 2: It was like Steve Bannon fighting with you know, this

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Speaker 2: person or the globalist. It was all about personnel. He

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Speaker 2: had no control over the presidency. It's going to be

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Speaker 2: totally different this time. I agree with you. He wasn't

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Speaker 2: able to accomplish as much as he wanted to because

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Speaker 2: he didn't know how to do it. He knows how

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Speaker 2: to do it now he has better support. Just look

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Speaker 2: at his campaign. This is the best campaign he's ever run.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, you're getting me, you're getting me excited about

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Speaker 1: Trump two point Oh this is great. But that's why

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Speaker 1: this is awesome.

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Speaker 3: To believe what he says. I think he'll be able

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Speaker 3: to do it this time. I really do.

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Speaker 1: I hope. So that'd be amazing. We'll get we'll get

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Speaker 1: the Hunter. I want the Hunter Biden trial outcome, and

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Speaker 1: I want the Trump sentencing prediction.

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Speaker 3: Damn god. I could be wrong about this, but next week,

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Speaker 3: which sucks. That's okay. You are you are your followers vicious?

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Speaker 3: Are they going to attack me?

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Speaker 1: They're brilliant, kind patriots. They're the nicest people ever. That's

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Speaker 1: why they follow me.

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Speaker 2: So go ahead, Okay, let's see Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 1: Not guilty.

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Speaker 2: I think he'll be guilty. Yeah, because it's just too

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Speaker 2: clear cut.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I think so. No, I've said, you

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Speaker 3: There's enough.

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Speaker 2: There's enough Republicans there, they're like there's enough people tired

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Speaker 1: The bidens are gross. That's a whole that's a whole

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Speaker 1: other conversation, all right, And then the big one. Does

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Speaker 1: Trump go to prison in any kind of incarceration starting

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Speaker 1: in July? No, definitely not, I think so.

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Speaker 3: I think that's gonna appeel it. First of all, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's going to appeal it. So that's why. And I

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Speaker 3: know there's been talking like, oh, he's been a few

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Speaker 3: days in jail, this and that.

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Speaker 2: It's like no, and by the way, there's no jail,

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Speaker 2: you gotta go to rikers. And yeah, he's going to

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Speaker 2: appeel it. And I was talking to Elie Honig, who's

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Speaker 2: a pretty fair minded former Southern District of New York

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Speaker 2: Attorney General, has worked with the prosecutor and the defense

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Speaker 2: on this trial, and he said, like, seventy to ninety

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Speaker 2: percent of these cases don't go to jail. It's either probation,

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Speaker 2: community service, a fine, and maybe house arrest. You know,

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Speaker 2: but it wouldn't happen even now. But I'll say that

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Speaker 2: the White House is basically house arrests.

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Speaker 1: So I'd like to say house arrest and Trump towers like,

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Speaker 1: I've been there in his apartment there. It's not that bad.

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Speaker 1: It's like three stories, pretty nice.

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Speaker 2: Well Clinton used to call the White House a penitentiary,

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Speaker 2: you know, so well.

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Speaker 1: He definitely, he definitely made it into something. Bill Bill

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