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Speaker 1: Catherine ham Well.

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Speaker 2: I am Colonel Markolitz, and we had another weekend. You know,

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Speaker 2: when I got the text from you, I already had

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Speaker 2: I almost was like, oh my god, did something else happened.

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Speaker 1: No, that's that's the only one I was referring to

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Speaker 2: And look, I heard from friends. I heard your your

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Speaker 1: And I'm not going to say that I convinced the

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Speaker 3: You know, yes, Mary, as the results, I will say,

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Speaker 2: You know, reasons for that. I didn't think it would

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let me just do the rundown real quick.

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Speaker 1: The US military carried out its attack against Iran's nuclear

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Speaker 1: Operation Midnight Hammer. The mission involved seven B two Spirit bombers.

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Speaker 2: What now, Operation Hammer? I mean it may be with

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Speaker 1: institutions that do what they're supposed to do extremely well.

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Speaker 1: That is quite a stat And look, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to overread this stuff, but it's been consistent over many

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Speaker 1: different types of studies, different types of polling. Obviously this

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Speaker 1: you perceive yourself as happy. That's part of how it works.

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Speaker 1: There is there's some theory, of course, that liberals over

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Speaker 1: report mental illness, and also that conservatives underreported right because

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Speaker 1: it might not be in their cohort fashionable to say

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Speaker 1: like I'm dealing with this.

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Speaker 2: Or that right.

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Speaker 1: Also, though, like liberals incentivize at having some sort of

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Speaker 1: mental malady to earn the right to be heard or

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Speaker 1: to like exist within their coalition, right, you have to

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Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I am just like a white lady,

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Speaker 1: but also look at my three conditions, and that's why

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Speaker 2: There's also our buddy Ian Miller on X posted because

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Speaker 2: the worldview of the political left requires a delusional obsession

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Speaker 2: with trying to solve mostly non existent problems. They replace

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Speaker 2: religion with politics when their politics are never ending uphill

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Speaker 2: battle against reality. That makes sense to me as well.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people are saying, oh, conservatives are lying.

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Speaker 2: They're just lying about their happiness. Why why would you

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Speaker 2: lie about Oh, by.

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Speaker 1: The way, I think, I think lying about your own

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Speaker 1: happiness probably leads you to be a little bit happier.

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Speaker 1: There's there's all the things that show repeatedly that they

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Speaker 1: serve happiness. Conservatives are into building families, shareishing that family time,

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Speaker 1: having faith. These are like the things that liberals have

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Speaker 1: to sort of do begrudgingly that we do happily, are

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Speaker 1: the things that actually show repeatedly create happiness. We also,

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Speaker 1: i think have, particularly people of faith, have an acceptance

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Speaker 1: that we live in a fallen world. And therefore things

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Speaker 1: will not progress to perfection. Yeah, via government program or

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Speaker 1: our lives or whatever it is. And so you sort

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Speaker 1: of you're playing with that built in and you understand

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Speaker 1: that life is hard and that you cherish the beautiful

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Speaker 1: moments more is my experience with our cohort versus others

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Speaker 1: who don't have faith.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And Abigail Schreyer wrote this in her last book.

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Speaker 2: But you know, the more you wallow in your unhappiness,

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Speaker 2: the worse you feel. And it's why her book is

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Speaker 2: called bad Therapy. I recommend it to everybody all the time.

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Speaker 2: But it's why kids who go to therapy actually don't

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Speaker 2: end up being happier. They end up being less happy

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Speaker 2: because constantly talking about their problems and wallowing in those

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Speaker 2: problems makes you less happy. And there's nothing the left

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Speaker 2: enjoys more than the wallowing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it does seem sort of obvious what's happening here.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm going to raise my kids in

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Speaker 1: the faith and also you know, with conservative values and

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Speaker 1: thinking that America is just the greatest and not wallowing

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Speaker 1: or being victims. I would do that anyway because I'm me,

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Speaker 1: but I would do it on the evidence, if I

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Speaker 1: were honestly reading the evidence because I think their outcomes

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Speaker 1: will be.

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Speaker 2: Better, that is the truth. Well, thanks for joining us

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