1 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Lake Spofford, joined by my 3 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: partner and Everything Packers, Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: here from our studios at Lambeau Field to review Wes 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: a ten to seven loss on Monday Night football to 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles. You and I talked quite a bit 7 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: last week after that very frustrating defeat at the hands 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: of the Carolina Panthers at home. I think we both 9 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: came out of last week feeling the Packers were going 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: to play a better game on Monday Night against the Eagles. 11 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: And unfortunately, only one side of the ball played a 12 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: better game, because the defense showed up and gave the 13 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: Packers a tremendous opportunity to beat the defending Super Bowl 14 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: champs here at Lambeau But the offensive struggles continue and 15 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: the search for answers on that side of the ball 16 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: keeps rolling along. 17 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. Weird game, and you know, first and foremosts they'll 18 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 2: start with this by all accounts, And we were talking 19 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 2: with Michael Parsons and Kishaw Nixon guys in the locker 20 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 2: room afterwards. You know, the Packers lost ten to seven 21 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: to a really good NFC team, the defending Super Bowl 22 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: champion team that most likely will be in the playoffs 23 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: if their season keeps its course. There are no moral victories. 24 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: But I mean, again, like Kishaan said, it's not like 25 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 2: they got blown out. Here's the problem when you lose 26 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: the game that you did to Carolina, when you lose 27 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 2: the game a month earlier to the Cleveland Browns, games 28 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 2: that you should win in low scoring affairs, yes, that 29 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 2: margin for error just gets completely eaten up. 30 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: Yep. 31 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: And on evenings like this, you don't have that opportunity. 32 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: So to have two home games, back to back games 33 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: score twenty points, it's not going to cut it. And 34 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: defensively was still a weird kind of performance too. There 35 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: was no quarterback hits on Jalen Hurts, not just sex. 36 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: There's no quarterback hits. But the Packers were unbelievable defending 37 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley as a running back. This was maybe their 38 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: best overall performance they had against Barkley strictly speaking against 39 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 2: the run. Obviously, he leaked out for the forty one 40 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: yard pick up after breaking the tackle, but the Packers 41 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: defense gave the offense a chance, and outside of that 42 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: one sort of tempo series in the fourth quarter, Green 43 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: Bay's offense was just not able to do much with it. 44 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and unfortunately it's it's kind of the a broken 45 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: record right now with the Packers offense. Certainly the way 46 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: these last two games have gone. You mentioned just the 47 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: twenty points in the last two games. I believe the 48 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: Packers have moved the ball across midfield twelve times in 49 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: the last two games. They twelve possessions have been in 50 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: opposing territory and they've only come away with twenty points. 51 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: That's hard to fathom. It's the one thing we saw 52 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: in this game that hadn't really been an issue up 53 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: to this point, but the drop passes sort of reared 54 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: their ugly head, and that was something that the Packer's 55 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: done a great job through the first eight games of 56 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: the season in terms of catching the balls that were 57 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: thrown their way, but there were multiple guys who drop passes. 58 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: Then you had some of the same things happening in 59 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: terms of the penalties, you know, miss blocks that lead 60 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: to a sack, failing to protect the ball in a 61 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: crucial situation, all of those all of those things we've 62 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: seen before and the Packers just have not been able 63 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: to We've seen these things in small spurts or in 64 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: small segments throughout the course of the season, but through 65 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: the first seven games of the year, by and large, 66 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: except in Cleveland, the Packers were able to overcome you know, 67 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: some bad stretches here and there. The last two games, 68 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: the bad stretches have been too long and they haven't 69 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: been able to overcome them. And so you you walk 70 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: away with two with a pair of three point losses 71 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: in games that were that were eminently winnable, and uh, 72 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: you know, the frustrations. The frustrations are obviously there. You 73 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: can hear it in everybody's voice after the game, from 74 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: the head coach, the quarterback to all the guys in 75 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: the locker room. They're they're they're frustrated and they've got 76 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: to try to figure it out. 77 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. I have so much respect for Josh Jacobs. You know, 78 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: Josh was putting a tough spot, you know, and after 79 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: the game was talking to us, and it was very thoughtful, 80 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 2: very considerate of what he was saying. But the amount 81 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: of times that his voice kind of cracked a little bit, 82 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 2: the amount of times you could kind of almost feel 83 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 2: the exasperation, their long, deep exhale, like it's frustrating, and 84 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: he said it was going to be. Afterwards, He's like, 85 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: I'm gonna have a difficult time sleeping tonight because there 86 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: were some opportunities that he regrets himself not being able 87 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: to fully maximize. But at the same time, it was 88 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 2: just a myriad of offensive issues that plagued them in 89 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 2: this one. And if you look through the first half 90 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: of the season, the most consistent thing about the green 91 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: Bay Packers' offense is they've had these type of stretches 92 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 2: where they you know, they did not start fast in Pittsburgh, 93 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 2: but then they found some ways forward. It's been this 94 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: sputtering where there's really high octane explosive moments followed by 95 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 2: inability to move the ball to midfield. But right now 96 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: Green Bay isn't being saved by those explosive plays either. Yes, 97 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: and there are I was talking to a few people 98 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: in the locker room about this afterwards. This was a 99 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: definite bad matchup for green Bay coming off of Carolina. 100 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: And what I mean by that defensively is you know, 101 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 2: e j everrew In, Carolina's disciple of Dom Capers, who 102 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 2: built this whole zone blitz fire zone defense with Vic Fangio. 103 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 2: So Vic had all this film to see about. How 104 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 2: EVERU attacked Green Bay's offense, put his own little wrinkles 105 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: on it, but basically threw the same type of plan 106 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: at him with better players, and they couldn't get out 107 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: of the two shell. They couldn't run against it consistently, 108 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 2: they couldn't attack the underneath intermediate throws out of it, 109 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: and the times in which they did move the ball 110 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 2: mic there was either a big penalty or there was 111 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: a fumble. And again, other than that one touchdown producing 112 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 2: drive there that ended with Josh Shacob's six yard rushing 113 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 2: TD to make it ten to seven. At the time, 114 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 2: green Bay just never was in a position where it 115 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 2: felt like the foot was on the pedal and they 116 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: were driving towards the end zone. 117 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, wrote wrote last week, and we talked on this 118 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 1: show last week. Kind of my biggest takeaway from the 119 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: Carolina game was the Packers are going to have to 120 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: figure out ways to win when they're forced to play 121 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: in a way that they don't want to play. And 122 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: the exact same thing, just as you outlined, Vic Fangio 123 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: saw exactly what Everu and that Carolina defense did. He 124 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: did the same thing with his guys with their own wrinkle, 125 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: And we heard Matt Lafleur literally say the same thing 126 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: at the podium after this game as he said a 127 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: week ago, which is that the opposing defense is sitting 128 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: back and waiting for the Packers to screw up. And 129 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: that's exactly what's been happening. To have as many opportunities 130 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: as they've had in opposing territory and not not be 131 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: able to get the points. The Packers have not proven 132 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: that they can score consistently enough offensively when they aren't 133 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: getting the big explosive plays. As you said, it's become 134 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: an offense that relies on that in order to be successful. 135 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: And with that taken away that you're good, they're gonna 136 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: have to figure it out because the blueprint is out 137 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: there now. There's there's no reason for any team, any 138 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: opposing team at this point to play the Packers in 139 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: anything but a too high safety shell and force the 140 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: Packers to beat them that way. So they're gonna keep seeing. 141 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: It in a lot of ways. It kind of you know, 142 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 2: everyone always talks about the end of that eleventh season, 143 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: but that was the change right with Romeo Cornell. With 144 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 2: Kansas City, they started deploying the too high that bled 145 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: into the twenty twelve season and Green Bay ultimately had 146 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 2: to run itself forward. They had to find a way 147 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 2: to break that, and that was one of the messages 148 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 2: that Josh Jacobs said afterwards. He doesn't know what the 149 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 2: answers are, but the fact is is the run game 150 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 2: by and large, is not doing enough. They're not getting 151 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: enough opportunity, They're not generating enough yards off of what 152 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: the defense is presenting to them. In Until they do 153 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: that offense, the passing game is going to be put 154 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 2: in some really compromising situations. I think with the challenge 155 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 2: for Green Bay this week and it's a short week, yeah, 156 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: two days time, you and I are gonna be previewing 157 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: the New York Giants. But the challenge for them is 158 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: they need to figure out what they want to major 159 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: in at this part of the season. You've had a 160 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 2: full half of the regular season. Now, the running game 161 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 2: is not what it was last year, particularly in the 162 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: first half. They've not been able to lean and sort 163 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: of build and pitch their tent on that foundation, and 164 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: it's led to some some challenges the first couple of 165 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 2: weeks they were they had those issues, but they got 166 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: out of them with third and long conversions. The third 167 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: and long conversions are not happening now. You know, they 168 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 2: start the game against Philadelphia one for seven on third downs. 169 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: There there has to be either whether it's emphasizing a 170 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: particular player or a particular side of the offense, that 171 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 2: there has to be something that Green Bay can can 172 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 2: work with. Now, unfortunately, you hate to bring up the 173 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 2: I word, but it's struck again. 174 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's just That's just where I was going 175 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: to go is is nobody wants to use injuries as 176 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: an excuse, and there is enough talent on this team 177 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: to perform better than their performing. But we've talked a 178 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: lot about how there's been this lack of continuity on 179 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: the offensive line all season long because of injuries, Guys 180 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: trying to play through injuries, other guys coming out of games, 181 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: shuffling around, moving players, and now it sounds like the 182 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: news is not good on Elton Jenkins. He left the 183 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: game late in the second quarter with what was termed 184 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: an ankle injury. There are reports out there that it's 185 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: worse than that, and Matt Lafleur even said it doesn't 186 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: sound promising. That was his quote after the game on 187 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: Monday night. So you've got that you were coming into 188 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: this game having to make the big adjustment your first 189 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: game without Tucker Craft at tight end. The Packers weren't 190 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: able to, as you said, find anything to hang their 191 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: hat on without Tucker Craft on the field. And at 192 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: the same time, receivers like Malik Heath and save On 193 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 1: Williams are on the injury report, so they're either limited 194 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: or not practicing during the week. Matthew Golden did not practice, 195 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: he was out with a shoulder injury. You lose Romeo 196 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: Dobs to a chest injury during the game, So it 197 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: leads to bow Melton, receiver turned cornerback now turning back 198 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: into a receiver, having to play way more offensive snaps 199 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: than anybody could have anybody could have imagined. It's it's 200 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: just it's this constant piling on of stuff going wrong, 201 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: some of which is completely beyond the Packers control. But 202 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: then there's all this other stuff that's piling up that 203 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: is within their control where they're hurting themselves, and it's 204 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: just it's led to it's led to the season being 205 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: you know, kind of at a at a crux here, 206 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: it's it's at a turning point. They've got to figure 207 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: something out because at five three and one, big picture, 208 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: five to three and one is not a bad place 209 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: to be with with eight games to go, but the 210 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: way these last two games have gone, there's a lot 211 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: of reason for concern and they've got to find some answer. 212 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this is the inflection point. You're going 213 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 2: to have the Giants here coming up, but then you're 214 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: heading into the NFC North schedule, and while the NFC 215 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: West has been really difficult this year, the North still 216 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: nobody's a cake walk in that division. So I think 217 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 2: there's a number of things that as I was driving 218 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 2: home and I listened to Matt's press conference, I listened 219 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: to Jordan's obviously this morning, I read your column and 220 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 2: your five things, and where I'm kind of at right 221 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: now and where I'm struggling to kind of figure out 222 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 2: what you put your finger on specifically with the offense 223 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: for what ails them is the fact that in fans 224 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 2: hate this because they always want to just find somebody 225 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 2: to put everything on. 226 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's the blame game, is what everybody wants 227 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: to play and you have to take a step back 228 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: from that and look at it in a bigger picture. 229 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: Because it's everything. 230 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it's. 231 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: Jordan taking some bad sacks at improper times. It is 232 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 2: the play call on fourth and one that the Philadelphia Eagles, 233 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 2: you know, hear the call and react to it. Yeah, 234 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 2: and it makes Josh have to try to, you know, 235 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 2: pitch the ball and it doesn't work out. It's it's 236 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: the inability to to for the offensive front to move 237 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 2: the defensive front and give Jacob's room to work with. 238 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 2: It is the drops. Like, it's a lot of issues 239 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 2: that the Packers are working through right now. And I 240 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 2: think what hurts the most to your original point that 241 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 2: you kind of brought up earlier when they needed that 242 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: spark when they needed to move the chains, it was 243 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 2: Tucker Craft. It's Ben Romeo Dobbs, who they had to 244 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 2: play a majority of the second half without. And like, 245 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 2: let's be real, the fact that you know, we were 246 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 2: talking with bou Melton and locker room afterwards. It sounds 247 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: like bo really the last week is where he started 248 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 2: really practicing a lot at receiver. Again, guy played twenty 249 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 2: six snaps at receiver. Yeah, you know, he had the 250 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 2: the illegal formation penalty. I think Wis also had one 251 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 2: during the course of the game. 252 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the thing is even if even if 253 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: the Eagles don't know the fourth and one run is coming, 254 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: right that they were calling out and they buried Jacobs 255 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: in the backfield and all that, the Packers were going 256 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,119 Speaker 1: to be in fourth and six because they lined up illegally. 257 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: It was going to be a five yard penalty even 258 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: if they had if they had converted it, they were 259 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: gonna have to they were gonna have to do it 260 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: over again. I want to give the props to the 261 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: defense because because that was a wail of an effort, 262 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: and I want to start I want to start by 263 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: saying this, I don't because we don't know if the 264 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: Packers defense is going to be able to keep this up. Obviously, 265 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: it's an offense oriented league and there are times when 266 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: things are just gonna go wrong on defense, like they 267 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: did in Dallas. Games like that happened. I know we're 268 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna hear from people over the next couple 269 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: of weeks about, you know, well, where where are the 270 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: where are the sacks from Micah Parsons and where are 271 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: the pressures in the quarterback hits and everything. What you 272 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: have to understand is that there were multiple times in 273 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: that game last night where the defense put the Eagles 274 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: in third and ten plus and the Eagles capitulated, they 275 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: handed the ball off. And my point is that is 276 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: the Micah Parsons effect. That is the Eagles saying, we 277 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: are not going to give Micah Parsons a chance to 278 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: make a game wrecking, game changing play on third and fourteen. 279 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: We're just gonna hand the ball off and punt because 280 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: the Packers offense isn't doing enough to scare us. So 281 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: Parsons is not going to have his chance to make 282 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: the plays that he can make and that Rashaun Gary 283 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: can make and a lot of these other guys. If 284 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: the Packers offense can't get going. It's the grand explanation 285 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: is this is a team game, and what the Packers 286 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: defense did last night was really impressive. And even at 287 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: the end of the game, after giving up the third 288 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: and twelve conversion, which looked like maybe the death knell 289 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: in the game, when the Eagles converted that with the 290 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: pass to DeVante Smith, the defense still rose up and 291 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: got the stop on the next series of downs and 292 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: got the ball back to the offense with plenty of time, 293 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: with plenty of time to drive for either a tying 294 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: field goal or possibly a game winning touchdown. Just a 295 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: tremendous effort by the defense against an offense that what 296 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: was the total fifty No, it was sixty six, thirty 297 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: eight and twenty eight. Yeah, sixty six points in the 298 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: last two games, and the Eagles walked out of lambeau 299 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: Field with ten. He got a hand to the Packers defense. 300 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: And it's frustrating because that was a truly wasted performance 301 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: without being able to get the win. 302 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 2: And I'm glad you brought up that point. That's such 303 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: a great point you raised, maybe the best one on 304 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: the show so far, about the quarterback hits, the sad 305 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: and where things are at with Parsons in this because 306 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 2: just flip the script right, it's not even that you 307 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: have to necessarily be in a situation where you're up 308 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: by three touchdowns the Eagles up by one score basically 309 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 2: the entire game. Look at the pressure they were able 310 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: to generate on Jordan Love because the Packers were putting 311 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 2: some obvious passing situations where they need to push the 312 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: ball downfield. Jalen Hurts, with the exception of four plays, 313 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 2: didn't really have to do that. Yeah, I mean, and 314 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 2: when he had to make them, he made them. You 315 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 2: give your credit there and you tip your cap to him. 316 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 2: I mean, he made some franchise quarterback plays throughout the 317 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,719 Speaker 2: course of that game. But there was so much that 318 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 2: was based on and a part of me wonders that 319 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 2: first series where they were drin Cooper gets the punch out. Yeah, 320 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 2: if this is offense, by the way, that is at 321 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: that point giving up only three giveaways the entire season. 322 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: They yeah, we talked about that last week. Yeah, they'd 323 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: protected the ball as well as anybody in football. Three 324 00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: giveaways through eight games. 325 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: So you have to wonder, if you know, between Eric 326 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 2: Nick Sirianni and in that offensive coaching staff, if they're 327 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 2: thinking at that point where it's like, okay, possessions at 328 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 2: a premium, don't give them anything and see if you 329 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 2: can eventually, you know, matriculate the ball down the field. 330 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 2: They did it. The fact that, in I thought Evan 331 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 2: Williams brought up a really good point, that's that's a 332 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 2: trademark of the Eagles too, that when they get an 333 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 2: explosive play like they got with the with the Barkley 334 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 2: forty one yard pickup. They will immediately look to hustle 335 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: downfield and try to hit you again, and they did. 336 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 2: And that was a difference in the game. 337 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was. It was amazing how quickly 338 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: the game turned from okay, it's three to nothing. The 339 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: Eagles got the field goal on their opening drive of 340 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: the second half after the zero zero first half, and 341 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: then early in the fourth quarter there the Eagles have 342 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: third and seven on their own twenty three yard line, 343 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: and essentially a checkdown pass, you know, with Barkley as 344 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: the out out towards the out towards the boundary to 345 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: Hurts his left, a checkdown pass turns into the big 346 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: explosive play of forty one yards with the spin move, 347 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: and as you said, then they hustle up and boom. Okay, 348 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: now they're in attack mode and bang they throw downfield 349 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: and Evan Williams is one on one with DeVante Smith 350 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: on the back end and Smith out jumps him for 351 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: the ball. Two plays seventy seven yards and the game 352 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: goes from three to nothing to ten to nothing like 353 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: just like that. But when we're talking about those two plays, 354 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: and I'll only bring up one other one, which was 355 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: when Jalen Hurts missed the backup tight end. I don't 356 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: even remember his name down the seam in the first half. 357 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: He was open for what was looking like a potential touchdown. 358 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 2: I can't say his name. 359 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't even remember what his name is. But anyway, 360 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: that was the That's like the only other, like real 361 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: defensive breakdown type of play. We're talking about three plays 362 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: in this game where you know where the defense, where 363 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: the defense gave up, you know, something significant to the Eagles. 364 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: And now it was a as far as the whole 365 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: bounce back thing goes, it was an incredible defensive effort 366 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: against the run. Based on how the previous game against 367 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: Carolina had gone and how Ricodowdell had had kind of 368 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: carved up the Packers run defense, we knew from what 369 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: had happened early on in the Pittsburgh game and then 370 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: what was going on in the Carolina game that the 371 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: Packers had some things to shore up there. And boy 372 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: did they ever because Saquon Barkley. Saquon Barkley had what 373 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: was it sixty yards on twenty two care. 374 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you look at their entire running 375 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: back room. You know that those numbers got boosted a 376 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 2: little bit by Jalen Hurts scrambling for twenty seven yards. 377 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 2: Their actual running backs ran the ball twenty nine times 378 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 2: for eighty seven eighty four yards in the game. Twenty 379 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 2: nine times for eighty four yards. It's less than three yards. Yeah, 380 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 2: so yeah, I mean it was it was a yeoman's effort. 381 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 2: I thought. I thought Kobe Wooden played a whale of 382 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 2: a game coming off the shoulder injury. I mean, Kuay 383 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 2: Walker had two impactful tech tackles for a loss. DeVante 384 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 2: Wyatt had a key one as well. If you're going 385 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: to be in this situation where they're not dropping back 386 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 2: that way, you need to find ways to generate negative plays. 387 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 2: The defense did that, and may I are you are 388 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 2: we gonna be pivoting over to the talk about the 389 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 2: rest of the games? Is this the end? Are we 390 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 2: finishing just about? I want to mention this. It has 391 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 2: nothing to do with the defense. So I apologize for 392 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: taking us off course. But I will say this, if 393 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 2: you're looking for reasons for optimism for Green Bay, and 394 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 2: we'll we'll probably expound more upon that when you get 395 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: away from this on Thursday. But two things. One, the 396 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs are in their bye week right now 397 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 2: at five and four, and they are looking at a 398 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: much more daunting task within the AFC West than what 399 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 2: green Bay even faces in the North right now, with 400 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 2: how Denver's playing, with how things have lined up for 401 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 2: them in two, I did feel like there was something 402 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 2: that green Bay grabbed onto here and I'm curious to 403 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: see where it goes the rest of the season if 404 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,959 Speaker 2: he's healthy. Christian Watson's third and ten catch was a 405 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 2: key moment in this game. Green Bay does not take 406 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 2: advantage of it, but it was a strong hands catch 407 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 2: across the middle. Yeah, and so Christian ends up with 408 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 2: two catches for forty five yards. But after the game, 409 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 2: Christians tweeted, like I think four times in the last year. 410 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 2: After the game, somebody had put up the clip of 411 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 2: the deep ball that Love had tried earlier to him 412 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 2: in the end zone and said, should Christian Watson have 413 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 2: caught this ball? And Christian quote retweeted and said, yes, 414 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 2: when you're talking about leadership, when you're talking about guys 415 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 2: that are coming to their own as a fourth year player, 416 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 2: We'll see what's going on. With Matthew Golden. We'll see 417 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 2: what's going on with Romeo Dobbs. Yeah, obviously we need 418 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 2: to find I think Christian is there. And when you're 419 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: looking at what this game plan is going to be 420 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: for the Giants game and going forward, I don't know 421 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 2: what it's all going to be. But as much as 422 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 2: we talk about spreading the ball around, if the Packers 423 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 2: are limited in numbers at the receiver position, I wonder 424 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 2: if there's opportunities there to cook some stuff up for 425 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 2: Christian Watson because it looks like he's ready to go. Yeah. 426 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: And uh and as Watson's reaction to that play indicates, 427 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: and we've seen this across the board as well, there's 428 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: no lack of accountability amongst the players. They know what 429 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: they have to do. They know that they're not getting 430 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: the job done on the offensive side of the ball. 431 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: So so they they're they're they're they're taking ownership of 432 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: it and uh and they're gonna have to they're gonna 433 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: they're gonna figure it out at some point here. But 434 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: uh and but they're gonna do it together. It's not 435 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: going to be through a bunch of figure pointing or 436 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: this is what you have to do or this is 437 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: what you have to do. That's not how this works. 438 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 2: No, And I love that. I'm glad you brought that 439 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 2: up because in the locker room efforts, that was the 440 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 2: prevailing sentiment. Matt, Matt Leafleur had his best comedy, probably 441 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: made the press conferences. We just need a win right now. 442 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 2: You have to go to New York and they got 443 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 2: to try to get a win. They have to get 444 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 2: some positive vibes here. But in the locker room, and 445 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 2: it was with when we were talking with Keishan, like 446 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 2: he said, it's like, we're not mad at the offense 447 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 2: right now. We know how this game is played. These 448 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 2: guys have all been around a long time. There's gonna 449 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 2: be ebbs and flows. There's going to be a time 450 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 2: at the point this season where the offense is going 451 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 2: to pick up the defense. We know it's going to happen. 452 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 2: The defense understands its role right now is to keep 453 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 2: points off the board and give the offense a chance 454 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 2: to try to get to that twenty point mark, to 455 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 2: try to build some you know, momentum and build some production. 456 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 2: But there's no panic. And Micah Parsons said it as well, 457 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 2: there is no panic. You're still five to three and one. 458 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 2: It's not great, it doesn't feel great. And if you 459 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 2: don't find answer, is that number and that winning, you 460 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 2: know plus two is going to evaporate. 461 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, but. 462 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 2: I think there's still a lot of veterans in that 463 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 2: room right now that have been through some some downtimes 464 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 2: and are hoping that you could switch this thing around. 465 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 2: If you look at where Green Bay was at two 466 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 2: years ago at three and six, obviously you do anything 467 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 2: to be sitting at five and three like they are 468 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 2: right now. 469 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just crazy to think. I mean, how quickly 470 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: things change. Where you go, team goes from five to 471 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: one and one to suddenly two weeks later and you're 472 00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: just saying, boy, they need to win in the worst 473 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: on and it doesn't matter how they get it. It's 474 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: like they just need they just need a win, They 475 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: need some kind of good mojo. 476 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 2: When back to back home losses will do that for you. Yeah. 477 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Well, we do have to pay some bills and 478 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: then we'll come back and wrap it up. But right 479 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: now a word from our sponsors. 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The 497 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: Lions technically would be in the lead because they beat 498 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: the Bears head to head. The Packers dropped a third 499 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: place at at five three and one, and I know 500 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: on our next show. We're going to talk all about 501 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: the Giants. But after the Giants game, five of the 502 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: last seven are division opponents. I mean, that's that's gonna 503 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: be the crux of the schedule. That is going to 504 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: be the portion of the schedule that defines this season 505 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: one way or another for Green Bay. Yeah, you gotta 506 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: go to New Jersey and get a win over the 507 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 1: Giants and get to six three and one before before 508 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: the stretch of division games. But the definition of this 509 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: has yet to be written. 510 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to say this too. Your app's 511 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 2: great points the division games one way or another. I 512 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 2: said it from the beginning. I said it. If the 513 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 2: Packers won this game against the Eagles, there were still 514 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 2: gonna be high stakes against the Giants, and what's no doubt, 515 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 2: no doubt, But you know, I want to mention this. 516 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 2: And obviously, the Giants let another one get away from them, 517 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 2: this time unfortunately it was to the Chicago Bears, and 518 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 2: it ended up being Brian Dabble's last, you know game 519 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 2: as the head coach of the Giants. This has nothing 520 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,959 Speaker 2: to do with the Packers win, loser, draw, whatever happened Sunday. 521 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say this though, I do not want to 522 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,719 Speaker 2: see Jackson Dart playing in that game Sunday. It has 523 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 2: nothing to do with football. That's his fourth concussion. About well, now, 524 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 2: I think he got diagnosed with the concussion too. 525 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, what I what I understand is that he's 526 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 1: been evaluated four times, and I believe this is the 527 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: second officially diagnosed concussion at this point. 528 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 2: I mean, we'll see what happens. It's the Giants decision here. Obviously, 529 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: Russell Wilson's the backup. He's the guy that finished that 530 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 2: game against Chicago. 531 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: Jamis Winston is there as well. I'm not ruling out. 532 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: I'm not ruling out that the Packers might see Jameis Winston. 533 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 2: Jamis has made some magic against this team too. But dude, 534 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 2: you guys got a future to look at here, and 535 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 2: you have two wins right now. I mean, when I 536 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 2: saw that and then obviously all the dramatic stuff the 537 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 2: last couple of weeks, dabble going into the injury tent 538 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 2: and all this, it's just like the way they're using Dart. 539 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 2: He's a really exciting young guy. Yep, there's a you 540 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 2: got to keep this kid healthy. But I give, I 541 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 2: give the Bears a lot of credit. Man, they found 542 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 2: a way, and Caleb Willibs played borderline terrible the first 543 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 2: three quarters. But this is what number one overall picks 544 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 2: and guys that you build your franchise around do. And 545 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 2: Roma Dunze looks like he's going to be a really 546 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 2: good receiver in this league. The Bear dude, I said 547 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: it last week. The Bears remind me so much of 548 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 2: the Packers last year. They're winning games, and as we 549 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 2: saw yesterday, that's all this game is about. How many 550 00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 2: wins do you have? 551 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Bears, now, yeah, the it was impressive 552 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: to me. Impressive isn't even the right word. I was 553 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: borderline flabbergasted at how many times Caleb Williams got away 554 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: from the New York Giants rush like. And that is 555 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: something that the Packers are going to have to prepare 556 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: for because because the Giants pass rush. Just from watching 557 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: that game against Chicago, the sack numbers they have is 558 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: not indicative of how they get after quarterbacks. And that's 559 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: gonna be something the Packers have to deal with. And yeah, 560 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: and you don't know, you don't know what kind of 561 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: a you don't know what kind of an atmosphere that 562 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: you're walking into with your opponent when they just fired 563 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: the head coach and now there's an interim head coach, 564 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: and there's uncertainty at quarterback and you know who knows. 565 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: But the Packers can't even think about any of that. 566 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: They have to Everything has to be internal right now 567 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: and figuring things out amongst themselves. So we will talk 568 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: more about the giants on our next show, but for 569 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: now now we'll call it a rap on this edition 570 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: of Packers Unscript and be sure to continue following all 571 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: of our coverage of the team on Packers dot com 572 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: for Wesimmike. Thank you for tuning in everybody. We will 573 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: see you next time.