1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. My name is Ben 3 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: and I'd like to welcome back one of my favorite 4 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: people ever. Folks, let's say hi to Noel Brown. Wait 5 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: a minute, what was right? I was gone. I felt 6 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: really rough about that. It was I realized it was 7 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: the first time that I had had to be out 8 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: of a Ridiculous History episode. We do another show together. 9 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: Folks may know stuff they don't want you to know, 10 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: or we're graced with Matt Frederick, so being out of 11 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: that one is not a big deal. I can play 12 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: hookey occasionally from that one, but not this one, my friend, 13 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: not this one. Well, you were sorely missed, and we 14 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: have so much to catch up on about the Black 15 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: plague in Norway. And then, oh, and also shout out 16 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: to our super producer, Casey Pegram was with us. He 17 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: was there the whole time. Casey, what was what was 18 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: that other one we did with Christopher hasciotis? Oh god, 19 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: then this is the worst question because we never remember 20 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: what we did ten minutes ago. That's true with the 21 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: black plague and then we had that's right, right, Yeah, 22 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: I saw the emails. I was ceed on those emails. 23 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: You remember the episode that you did do better or 24 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: at least with more a clarity than we did. Well, folks, 25 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: never fear, as we said, no was on some adventures. 26 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: Some stuff will be revealed in time. Very glad to 27 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: have you back, my guy. I'm really glad to be back. 28 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: And I want to say when I said I can't 29 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: be absent from this show, neither one of us can. 30 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: Well that's not entirely true, because we have the wonderful, incredible, 31 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,839 Speaker 1: very smart and well spoken Christopher Hasciotis who stepped in 32 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: beautifully and I'm so appreciate that he was able to 33 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: do that, and I was able to have my adventures 34 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: and guilt free for the most part. And he's, uh, 35 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: he's not only hilarious, but that guy's got a jaw 36 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: line for days. He's got like a like a Thoor 37 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: Avengers jaw line. Boy does he ever? And a fantastic 38 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: haircut and a really good tasting food. I hope you're 39 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,959 Speaker 1: hearing this, Christopher, Yeah, it is true though he professionally 40 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: speaking has great tasting food. I want to I want 41 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: to get something, air air out something right now before 42 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: we get started in the show. Um. There was a 43 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,839 Speaker 1: little bit of a Facebook message thread that was going 44 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: on between me and Christopher yesterday, UM about the movie Mandy. 45 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: I chimed in on a discussion about one of the episodes, 46 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: you guys did I believe it was the Black Plague 47 00:02:54,880 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: one because Christopher said that he absolutely hated Mandy and 48 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: thought it was a terrible movie. And then he actually, 49 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: in a later exchange, texted me they titled it Mandy, 50 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: but a better name would have been Man, these are 51 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: a hundred minutes of my life I'll never get back. Yeah. 52 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: So I chimed in on the thread and said, you're 53 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: dead to me, Christopher aciotis dead all caps um, And 54 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: then I wanted to clarify that he's not actually dead 55 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: to me. That's just a movie that I kind of 56 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: go to bat for kind of a lot. We're on 57 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: the same page. I'm one of the people who got 58 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: it into the theaters here exactly, I know for sure, 59 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: and I know you. I know you're on my team. 60 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 1: You're on team Mandy. But it's a it's a hill 61 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: that I tend to die on because a lot of 62 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: people that movie was not for everybody, but apparently not 63 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: for a boy Christopher, but I will not hold it 64 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: against him and means in fact, not dead to me, 65 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: but very much alive. We're very much on the same 66 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: page about things, and I like that you're picking up 67 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: hill to die on. I've been using that for a 68 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: few months and I wanted to be back in uh 69 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: popular parlance. We were what they call an arbiter of 70 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: culture and language my friends. Yes, sir, I think I 71 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: just get a pessed with things. I've ulso been going 72 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: through this phase where I'm somewhat obsessed or I'm fascinated 73 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: with hoaxes. I'm going through a hoax thing, like a 74 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: good hoax. Noll who doesn't like a good hoax? Ben 75 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: people who get hoaxed every exactly. So, where does our 76 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: story take us today? We are traveling to France. We're 77 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: traveling to France, not in these our modern days, but 78 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: in the late summer of seventd five, where Europe is 79 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: gripped by a scandal. Everybody is watching the news. This 80 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: is a thank God there's no Twitter moment, right. Yeah. 81 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: If I'm trying to bring anything back, or at least 82 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: make something happen, it's pronouncing the word scandal as scandal, 83 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,559 Speaker 1: and this was one of those, to be sure. Uh, 84 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: this involved a couple of important things. One the center 85 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: of this scandal was a diamond necklace of absolutely immeasurable value. 86 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: Well it was measurable, but it was pretty massive because 87 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: it can pained, uh, something in the neighborhood of six 88 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty stones, and it weighed hundred carrots, which 89 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: is a weight. As it turns out, I guess I 90 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: didn't quite realize that, Benz. You. And it's not just gold, camerals, rubies, 91 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: precious stones, pearls as well. Nowadays when you hear a carrot, 92 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: it was a bit loosey goosey back in the glory 93 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: days of the seventeen hundreds, but nowadays a carrot is 94 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: about two hundred milligrams, and by about I mean exactly 95 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: two hundred milligrams. And what kind of what were the 96 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 1: stones in question in this particular piece of ostentatious jewelry. Diamonds. Diamonds, buddy, 97 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: all diamonds. You gotta shine, you gotta sparkle, you gotta snap, 98 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: crackle pop. If you're royalty, you go to diamonds. And 99 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: this diamonds made by the Crown jewelers Boehmer and Bossange 100 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: had gone missing. Missing. You say missing, I say, was 101 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: there some sort of heist? Or how? How? How does 102 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: a how does a piece of jewelry of such price 103 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: go missing? They say, we have sold this to Marie 104 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: Antoinette threw an intermediary, the Cardinal de Rohan. She denies 105 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: any involvement. Uh moe, that is, and everybody knew she 106 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: hated the Cardinals. She thought he was a real pill. 107 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: She never would have made him her intermediate air used 108 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: him as some kind of go between, right, and he 109 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: denies this. It's like Cheryl Crowe picking us to deliver 110 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: her next guitar. We made nice with Cheryl We. I 111 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: love Cheryl Crow. I love Cheryl Crow. Have I talked 112 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: about how much I love the bongos on every Day 113 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: as a winding road? There's a really really important use 114 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: of bongos in popular music. I think she's a brilliant songwriter. 115 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: And I wish you would stop sending so much hate. Man, 116 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: It's really it's really getting out of control. But anyway, 117 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,679 Speaker 1: they had Mae Antoinette and the Cardinal de Rohan had 118 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: this had this kind of ridiculous history Cheryl crow thing. 119 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: And the question was why would may have asked the 120 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: cardinal to act on her behalf? And I got it wrong. 121 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: Ron did not deny it. Quite the opposite. He claimed 122 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: to have had written, uh, in the queen's own hand, 123 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: a letter instructing him to carry out this transaction. And she, 124 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: you know, she publicly despised the guy, and she said 125 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: that she wasn't involved. But now he's saying, he has, 126 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: as you said, no written documentation. And he doubled down 127 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: on this, right, he said, also furthermore, a year ago, 128 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: not only did she did she write and sign this 129 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: contract for sale that is in my possession, but a 130 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: year before that she met me in secret of hers 131 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: side in the garden of Versailles. It's true. Why all 132 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: the cloak and daggery ben, why all the clandestineness lay 133 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: it on me? Man? Why? Well, here's the thing, um, 134 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: It caught the imagination of the public. It became like 135 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: this kind of this, this whole affair involving the necklace 136 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: became this like almost theatrical kind of charade. Right, But 137 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: here's the thing. It had real consequences that resonated through 138 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: the French Revolution. Absolutely, we should introduce another character here 139 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: in this story. So we've got our players. We've got 140 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: Moa Antoinette, and we've got Cardinal Rohan, the Grand Almoner 141 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: of France. Almondr's not that fun a l m o 142 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 1: An here. I thought he was just like a proprietor 143 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: of like tasty almonds. He's in charge of all the 144 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: almonds in France. You know, every every single one goes 145 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: through him. And at the time, fun fact, ridiculous historians. 146 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: You know how barbers were also qualified to be surgeons. 147 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: People in charge of almonds were also qualified to be 148 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: in charge of diamonds because they're both sort of small 149 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: and stone like I think qualified as probably a strong word. 150 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: But I see where you're going with this. So let's 151 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: let's lay it out here. Let's let's lay out the 152 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: players up to this point. We all you just did 153 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: did the two main ones. We also have the jewelers 154 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: Bohmer and Massan. She kind of take a backseat. Uh. 155 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: There's a really great article about this that's called the 156 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: Necklace that cost Marie Antoinette her life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 157 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: And that was in the Telegraph, and in it they 158 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: talked about how from his place of exile on St. 159 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: Helena Napoleon. Um actually kind of weighed in on this 160 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: after Marie Antoine and met her untimely demise. Spoiler er, 161 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: it's true. Yeah, it's in the movie. Um. The Queen's death, 162 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: he said, must be dated from the Diamond Necklace trial. 163 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: So Cardinal de Rohan was desperately trying to get into 164 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: Moya Antoinette's inner circle. And the problem with this was 165 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: that Moe's mother had warned her not to mess with 166 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: Cardinal de Rohan. So it's sort of like that, justin 167 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: Bieber song my Mom and don't like you and she 168 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: likes everyone exactly exactly like that. It was exactly like that, 169 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: and he was struggling. He had he had been caught 170 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: making fun of Marie Antoinette in seventeen seventy one. It 171 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: was it was literally like he made a funny meme 172 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: about her and that got too back to her, so 173 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: she swore never to speak to him again. And he 174 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: thought his career was over. He thought he would never 175 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 1: get a shot at Chief Minister, which is the position 176 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: he really wanted. Until that is he met another character, 177 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: one of the pivotal characters in today's story, and although 178 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 1: her name is Gene. As far as I can say, 179 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: I I've got to defer to you, Casey, how do 180 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: we pronounce her title? It would actually be Jeanne because 181 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: she's got two ends in an e Jean comtest de 182 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 1: la motte valois voloisen. Is that okay? All right, we'll 183 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: call her Jean Jean like a like a John's something, right, 184 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: Casey on the case. But yeah, I'm never never, I'm 185 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: never gonna be able to repeat any of that, So 186 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: Jean from here from here on. Yes. She was descended 187 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: from an illegitimate branch of the family, the royal family, 188 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: and this was the dynasty that came before the Bourbons, 189 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: and she had a terrible childhood. Her father was a 190 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: hardcore alcoholic, her mother totally ghosted on her. She was 191 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: taken in by an aristocratic family outside of Paris, but 192 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: then she came back when she was an adult to 193 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: Champagne and she was intent on getting her family land back, 194 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: and then that plan fell through. She married a guy 195 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: named Nicholas de la Monte. They went to Paris to 196 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: try to get people to back them up, and it 197 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: didn't really work. They got more and more destitute and 198 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: into her ambition to establish herself as legitimate seemed uh 199 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: worse some word some worse. So she is in dire 200 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: straits as well when she meets cardinal. Yeah, it's true. 201 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: And this becomes a real turning point when she meets Rohan. Um, 202 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: he was kind of into her and didn't really have 203 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: any problem um showing that he gave her money and 204 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: it's very likely that they became lovers despite his I 205 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: guess vow of celibacy. Right, isn't that a thing for 206 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 1: a cardinal? You know? It's like everybody is supposed to 207 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: use herd signals. That's also true. Uh, and jay walking 208 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: is technically a crime. He told her that in order 209 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: to restore her patrimony um, that she needed to go 210 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 1: directly to the Queen. But as we said earlier, the 211 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: Queen was not a fan of of Rohan. He was 212 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: sort of like a little Finger type character, you know, 213 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: he was. He was very considered kind of slimy and 214 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: backstabbing by her because of his talking out of school 215 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: and um, so this was not necessarily going to be 216 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: something that he could help his new young lady friends 217 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: with because he really had no pull, right, right, he 218 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: had no he had no juice, no suction, as they 219 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: say in the wire. So Sean, we can only imagine, says, 220 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: you know, what this plan needs to really to really 221 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: just make it pop is a little bit of theatricality, right, 222 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: Let's let's go to the theatle with it. So she 223 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: waits in the mirrored gallery of Versailles on candle mouse 224 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: in and when the Queen walks by, Jean swoons and 225 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: she is clutching her petition to get her land restored 226 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: to her chest, and she's hoping that the Queen will 227 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: see her fall out, you know, and and that she 228 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: will say, oh no, who is this beautiful, uh put 229 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: upon fainting woman and how can I help her? So 230 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: she she essentially she fakes fainting, and the Queen walks 231 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: right by and never asks who fainted. But this is 232 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: not what she tells the cardinal. Instead, she tells her lover, 233 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: the Cardinal, that the Queen had taken pity on her, 234 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: had noticed, and that they had become b f F's Bniffles, 235 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: that they had become best friends forever. Biffles and Mauie 236 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: Antoinette was the kind of person who had this track record. 237 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: It was totally within her m o to find and 238 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: sort of adopt people, and she was somewhat reclusive despite this, 239 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: so a lot of the people in court didn't really 240 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: know her day to day circle of friends. And so 241 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: now the tables have turned. Now the Cardinal is begging 242 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: Seoan to broker some kind of I guess peace agreement 243 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: with the Queen, you know, like, sorry about that meme, 244 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: Sorry you found that funny note about you I was 245 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: passing around. Let's be cool, And she agreed, and there 246 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: was a increasing correspondence between the Cardinal and Moye, and 247 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: the Queen promised apparently that he would eventually be Prime Minister. Okay, 248 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: there's a lot going on here. I want to take 249 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: a little aside, just because I was looking into this 250 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: while you were talking. Um, Candle Mass. It's a holiday 251 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: that I was not familiar with. That is the day 252 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: in which this original meeting took place. Um, and it 253 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: has a fantastic extended name. First of all, it is 254 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: the name of the Christian holy day wherein Mary and Joseph, 255 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: forty days after the birth of Jesus, brought him to 256 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: the temple to be purified. And uh, you know the 257 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: rights of purification dedication performed on him, and that's something 258 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: that is in the Torah as as necessary. And then 259 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: that is actually described in the Book of Leviticus twelve 260 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: one through four. But the extended name of candle Mass 261 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: is the feast of the presentation of our Lord Jesus 262 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: Christ and the feast of the purification of the blessed 263 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: Virgin Mary. That's it. That's all I got. So where 264 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: are we had now, Ben, There's a lot going on here. 265 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: I just wanted to take a little breath so we 266 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: can collect ourselves. Well, we should also mention that an 267 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: all minner, while while we're at definitions, is just one 268 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: who distributes alms. So wanted distributes money to the poor. 269 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: Not almond related. But yes, yes, So back to this correspondence. 270 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: The problem is this correspondence that the cardinal beliefs is 271 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: going very very well. Is all coming to him via joun. 272 00:16:54,800 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: She is dictating the letters to a low goal. Um. 273 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: They will call him a stationer at the time, like 274 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: a stationary owner, someone who writes letters professionally. She's telling 275 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: this guy what to write, and the cardinal is desperate. 276 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: He's like, oh, you know enough of this. Clearly we 277 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: get along I can't wait to be your prime minister. 278 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do such a wonderful job. Let's meet in person, 279 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: let's meet I r L. But the Queen always says, 280 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: it's not quite the right moment for me to talk 281 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: to the king about this. Just just you hold on, 282 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: you hold on, And the Cardinal is becoming less and 283 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: less patient, and Joan is saying, I gotta get some 284 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: sort of situation where this guy at least feels like 285 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: he's met the queen. Oh, by the way, she's still married. 286 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: She's sleeping with his dude, but she's still married to 287 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: this other. A man of the cloth. She's sleeping with 288 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: a man of the cloth. Which cloth is that? By 289 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: the moment? Is that the thing that goes around the 290 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: neck is that the cloth? There is the cloth? There's there. 291 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: There's a lot of cloth there. Now that probably weirds 292 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: you out, doesn't you know? A fan of cloth? No? Okay, 293 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 1: what do you know? I'm okay with cloth costume. Wait 294 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: a minute, I'm not think I'm thinking of our our 295 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: mutual friend Frank. He's the one that doesn't like cloth 296 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: and like like fabric e feelings. He's get a cotton 297 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: cotton thing that's it. You're you're more of the metal, metal, cardboard, cardboard, 298 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: phone calls any any material. Um. So yeah, No, she 299 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: needed him to feel like he had had audience with 300 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: the queen. And that's where and the less I'm mistaken, 301 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: then we get our Marie Antoinette doppelganger or impersonator entering 302 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: the picture. That's right, that's right. So her scali wag 303 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: soldier husband Nicholas comes to her with an idea. I've 304 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: been hanging around in the Palais Royale and I've been 305 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: being kind of luche You guys, remember I finally got 306 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: a chance to use Lucia Yett and trying to make 307 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: Lucia happen. It's happening. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. I'm 308 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: not trying to do things man Yoda style. This is 309 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: just happening. And while he's air, he meets a sex 310 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: worker named Nicole lick Way. She is blonde, blue eyed, 311 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: and physically, you know, she looks like the Queen. She 312 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: resembles her. He visits her, he gets to know her, 313 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like Carnally, Well is that 314 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: kind of establishment, Ben, isn't that kind of place? Well? 315 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: Eventually eventually he uh, he's he's been hanging out with her, 316 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:33,239 Speaker 1: and he introduces her to his wife. Let's also not 317 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: forget that this was I mean, it's you can't forget 318 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: this is a time where unless you saw the Queen, 319 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: if you saw the Queen in person, who was going 320 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: to be from from a distance, and most likely the 321 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: closest thing you'd ever get to actually see the Queen 322 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: would be some sort of paint painting, painted facsimilate, right, 323 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: or a little cameo, little cameo or something exactly. Yeah, 324 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: there's no proliferation of digital images or even photography, right. 325 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: So he introduced is his friends to his wife. This 326 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,959 Speaker 1: is my friend Nicole, Nicole Mitchel And uh, don't you 327 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: think she looks like the queen? What do you think, honey? 328 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: This is why I've been hanging out with her, because 329 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: I'm helping you. I'm doing this for us. And so 330 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: Jean takes to Nicole and we have a quote wherein 331 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 1: she is convincing Nicole to take part in some sort 332 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: of plan involving the Queen. So this is what Jean 333 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: says to her pal Nicole. She says, quote, I have 334 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: the Queen's confidence. She and I are as close as 335 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: two fingers of a hand. That's a that's an interesting one. 336 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to bring that back and make that happen. Um. Yeah, 337 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: And then she goes on to say she has just 338 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: given me new proof of this and charging me to 339 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: find a person who could do something that will be 340 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: explained when the time comes. Wow, that is very vague, 341 00:20:54,600 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: super vague, super vague. So does Nicole agree out of 342 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: a sense of patriotism or does she agree because she 343 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:08,959 Speaker 1: gets fifteen thousand francs. You know, there's no sure answer. 344 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: So later that evening they leave and they go to 345 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: the LaMotte's apartment in Versailles, and still Shawn does not 346 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 1: explain the plan. Nicole says, Okay, you're being real vague 347 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: with me. Sis, what's going on with the queen? I 348 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: appreciate the money. Instead, Sean says, oh, it's the smallest 349 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: thing in the world. Uh, you have to meet the queen, 350 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: but you can't do it without a title. So Jean 351 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: dubs her the Casey checked me on this. The baron doliva. 352 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: God sounds so beautiful when you say it. Man, Casey's 353 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 1: on that case. So now she has a title Nicole 354 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 1: has been elevated in life. Oh and there's a funny 355 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: little detail in that Telegraph article that points out that 356 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: that is very close to an anagram of her own surname, 357 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: which is a Valoi. Yeah. It's sort of like a 358 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: sort of like in all those films where the character 359 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: is named, uh, dr Alucard turns out to be Dracula. Spoiler. 360 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: Just so, just so so. Now Joan is is grooming 361 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: Nicole and dressing her up, and she gives her a letter, 362 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: and she says, Hey, Nicole, I'm gonna lead you to 363 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: the park of the Palace and then you're going to 364 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: hand this letter over to this really snazzy dude that 365 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: you'll meet there. I'm paraphrasing. She did not actually say 366 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: snazzy dude. Yeah, but surely he was very well dressed. 367 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: Sure Oh he was all snazz. He definitely was. I 368 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: like that phrase to anaz. Oh and then there's this 369 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 1: perfect beautiful detail. It's just the kind of thing out 370 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: of like a heist movie or sort of at least 371 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: some kind of you know, grand caper of some sort, 372 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: where she had to hand a rose, a red rose 373 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: over with the letter um and she's instructed to say 374 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: to this snazzy person, this all snazz guy. Uh, he 375 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: will know what this means, and the Queen will be 376 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 1: there to see how the interview goes. She'll be watching 377 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: from the wings. When one must assume, oh no, no. 378 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: She even goes on to say she will speak to 379 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: you later. She will be behind you. So this is 380 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: just a reality show, is it sounds? Folks? This poor, 381 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: poor Nicole is given this fake title and she is 382 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: literally handing a rose to a guy. No matter what 383 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: he says. She's only supposed to say, you know what 384 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: this means? Can you believe it? Anyway? She she is 385 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: on board. She is roughly a million percent on board, 386 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: hook line and sinker. She is all about it. She's 387 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: freaked out. She's going to meet one of the most 388 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: powerful people in her country. And she's in the garden, 389 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: the groove of Venus, specifically, it is incredibly dark. She 390 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: can't see anything, she doesn't really hear anything. She's just 391 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: walking around in the dark, and she's wondering where the 392 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: Queen's hiding, and where's this dude. Where's this all snaz 393 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: dude that she's supposed to meet. So we should backtrack? Ever, 394 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: so slightly at this delightful cliffhanger that you set up 395 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: so beautifully. But um, Joan had been kind of dangling 396 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: the queen, let's say a little bit in front of 397 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: Rohan in terms of, you know, the possibility of him 398 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: meeting her and make making things better between them, right, 399 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: or at least having him have that chance of a 400 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: lifetime to worm his way into her inner circle. Let's 401 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: be honest, this guy seems a little wormy. For weeks 402 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: and weeks, she's been sort of teasing this little finger 403 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: of our story. You made that comparison earlier. I quite 404 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: like it. And then he would hang out, just literally 405 00:24:55,280 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: loiter around Versailles, hoping to run into it. And it 406 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: wasn't until August twelve that he gets word from Joan 407 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: that he can meet the queen, but he asked to 408 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: meet her secretly at night in the garden essentially, and 409 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: Mayu was not yet ready to reveal their agreement to 410 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: the public. So he hung around and he actually did 411 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 1: not dress all snazz. He was dressed in all black, 412 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: and he had a hat on. He was looking conspiratorial, 413 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,959 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Totally, it's like the period 414 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: equivalent of like a trench coat and some sort of 415 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,239 Speaker 1: for sure for sure. So he's waiting around. He's like, 416 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: is this gonna be another fruitless night of waiting? The 417 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: things I do to be prime minister he's thinking. He's 418 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: probably also thinking, I have so many alms to give 419 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: in the morning. And then all of a sudden, who 420 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: runs up to him. Not the Queen, not in nical 421 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: but first Sean, it's our girl John. He really is 422 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: a little bit almost more out little fingering, the little 423 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: finger of our story. Um. She is panting, she's out 424 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: of breath, she's very upset, or she's flustered at least, 425 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: maybe not in the outright upset. But she tells him 426 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: who is upset, and that's the Queen. The Queen is 427 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,239 Speaker 1: very upset because she's so very much wanted to have 428 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: this encounter with Rohan. And but that's not gonna be 429 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 1: possible because the Queen's sisters in law have kind of, 430 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, headed her off at the past I guess, 431 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: or you know, done a surprise walk and talk. Yeah, 432 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: she couldn't get out of it. So uh, he's gonna 433 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: have to hang back Rohan. Um, this is what John 434 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: is telling him, and that she the Queen plans to 435 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: scadattle out of there, you know, put in a little 436 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: face time, and then make an excuse and then abscond 437 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: off to meet secretly to keep the meeting. But it's 438 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: gonna have to be quick, and it's gonna be very 439 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 1: clutch because they're hot on their heels. She doesn't want 440 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: anyone to see this absurdly suspicious character because it seems 441 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,959 Speaker 1: like he's supposedly dressing for secrecy, but I would think 442 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: he would be very suspicious looking dressed that way. It's 443 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: absolutely true. He's trying to look inconspicuous, and you know, 444 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 1: there's a point where you reach diminishing returns with dressing inconspicuous. 445 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: Trench coat Fedora. He went full trench coat Fedorra. So 446 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: the kicker for this is that she says, don't worry, though, 447 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: the Queen will give you, quote, unequivocal proofs of her 448 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: protection and benevolence. And he's like, okay, okay, I'm in, 449 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: I'm in. So Sean leads the cardinal to this opening 450 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: in a clearing and he sees this figure, you know, 451 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: sort of silhouetted in the darkness, and he also goes 452 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: all in you know, his his heart's probably racing, he's 453 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: he's probably really freaked out. He walks to this figure 454 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: and he kneels at her feet, and she, by the way, 455 00:27:54,640 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: is Nicole right, the new barone, And she is not 456 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: sure what to do, so she just thrust this rose 457 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: toward him, and she kind of hides her face with 458 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: her fan, and she says that she couldn't remember exactly 459 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: what she said in the conversation, but the cardinal claimed 460 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 1: that he heard her say, you may believe the past 461 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: will be forgotten. So boom, there we go. It appears 462 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: that for all intents and purposes, this cardinal has met 463 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: the Queen, and the Queen is good, and she has 464 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: appeared to back up all the fake letters that this 465 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: cardinal has been receiving. And Rohan essentially just really wanted 466 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: to see the queen, and he saw what he wanted 467 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: to see. A little bit later, he received a written 468 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: request on this paper. This was always blue bordered paper 469 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: because it was from that one stationary shop. He received 470 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,479 Speaker 1: a request for sixty thousand francs to help an impoverished family. 471 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,719 Speaker 1: And again, let's remember this guy's job is to distribute 472 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: money to the poor so he goes through with that, 473 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: and then in the beginning of another request arrives. Get this. 474 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: It's ordering him to negotiate the purpose of a certain 475 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: diamond necklace. That's right. I thought we forgot No, we 476 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: just set it up in a weird way. I was 477 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: wondering where I come back around to it myself. Then 478 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: I so, so she gets this letter. There's a lot 479 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: of backstory here, right, No, gets this letter from the 480 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: Queen saying, hey, set this up for me, help me 481 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: buy this necklace. And the problem here is that these 482 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: crown jewelers that we mentioned earlier, Boehmer and Bassent, as 483 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: you said, have been trying for years and years and 484 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: years to sell this super ostentatious, extravagant, opulent necklace that 485 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: had how many diamonds? Yeah, it was like pushing six 486 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: fifty d stones, carrots, huge, huge, again, extravagant, opulent, ostentatious, 487 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: all those words, all the words. Uh. And they have 488 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: been presenting this to the King and the Queen turned 489 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: it down and they knocked some money off the price, 490 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: but it was still considered too much. Yeah, that was 491 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: reduced to uh. Somewhere in the neighborhood of one point 492 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: six million, and this is news to me. Guys livre 493 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: which is a different currency from the franc and that's 494 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: the franc wasn't around until then. She clarified that that's right, 495 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: and I think we've talked about some payoffs being in 496 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: francs earlier in the show. Uh was not a thing yet. 497 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: The levra, which Casey being on the case as he 498 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: tends to be um clued us into that that actually 499 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: means a book, yeah, book or a pound. Casey on 500 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: the case, thanks for saving the show man every time 501 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: speak behind the curving folks. Every time we do a 502 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: an episode concerning the French language. Now we have learned. 503 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: We've learned to check with Casey slightly in advance so 504 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: that we don't put over the spot by saying. There 505 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: was one episode where he said, hey, Casey, can you 506 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: just translate this entire paragraph for us? And he was like, guys, 507 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: I need a little a little time. It wasn't have 508 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: been modern French. I'm not just here like French monkey, 509 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: you know. So you're right, it's it's very important. This 510 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: is a currency. The cost is reduced. They still can't 511 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: sell this because it's like it's like a gold plated Ferrari. 512 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's it's just a lot, 513 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: it's too much. And how much would it have taken 514 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: for something to be too extravagant and expensive for the 515 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: Queen of France not exactly known for their penny pinching 516 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: ways there like you know, keeping things modest, right, that's true. 517 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: And so Sean sees this opportunity and she she talks 518 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: to her but the cardinal and she says, hey, will 519 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: you help the queen buy this necklace? And the payment 520 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,479 Speaker 1: will be made in four installments over two years, and 521 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: he is down to clown. He is on board. So 522 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: the jewelers are overwhelmed with joy. They are elated. Someone 523 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: is gonna buy this. The Queen is gonna buy this. 524 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna yeah, We'll give you the necklace and then 525 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: you'll just pay us off in those four installments over 526 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: two years. So on the first of February, the jewelers 527 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: Boehmer and Bassenge give the necklace to the cardinal. The 528 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: cardinal gives it to Sean and John. What does she do? 529 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: Does she make four payments over two years? Does she 530 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: does she say hey, I was lying to you? What 531 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: what does she do? She just kind of books it 532 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: with the with the goods. You know, she's the real 533 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: puppet master in this whole thing. The guys are so say, 534 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: I know I say it too much, but I love 535 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: that film Usual Suspects. Check it out. Yeah, you're absolutely right, man. 536 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: She ghosts, and then on July twelve of that year, 537 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: the jewelers send a letter to the Queen. Boehmer specifically 538 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: sends a letter to the Queen mentions the necklace. The 539 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: Queen doesn't know what's going on, so she just shreds 540 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: her mail. What's this nonsense? Exactly? Is right? In the 541 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: royal shred her? She says, that's unquote in her voice, 542 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: and uh, And the jeweler is not getting any word, 543 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: and he waits and waits and weights and so. Later 544 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: in August, he sends a letter to one of Mola 545 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: Twinette's ladies in waiting and he's like, hey, you know, 546 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: not to be weird about it, but I'm really surprised 547 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: that you guys still owe me money for this necklace. 548 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: You are, you know, your friends, the Queen of France. 549 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: I don't know how to make this not awkward? Can 550 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: you can you give me some Yeah? Exactly. And this 551 00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: is when the proverbial um hits the fan, when the 552 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: lady in waiting, Madame campon Uh, takes this information back 553 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: to the Queen, who then is like, wait a minute, 554 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: something's funky here. I need an explanation. What's going on. 555 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: So in August, right before a mass at the Royal Chapel, 556 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: Rohan receives a convocation from the King of France. Right 557 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: as he was leaving, he is arrested in the Hall 558 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: of Mirrors um and he's completely flabbergasted. Everyone else is 559 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: just in shock. And that is when this news of 560 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,879 Speaker 1: this scandal was about to reach critical mass. Yes, and 561 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: that is not hyperbole at all. So this becomes a 562 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 1: huge to do, a brouhaha, if you will. The Cardinal 563 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: goes before the Parliament in May of seventeen eighty six, 564 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: and surprisingly he's declared innocent. They tracked down Shawn and 565 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 1: her her team and they are arrested and she, for 566 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 1: the crime of being a con artist, is branded with 567 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: a hot iron and she's the hot iron brand that 568 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,720 Speaker 1: she receives is a capital V, and that stands for 569 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 1: thief in French. What's that word? Casey thief? A genuine 570 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,919 Speaker 1: scarlet letter, and although the Queen is innocent, her reputation 571 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: is tarnished. You know, she can't walk back from that. 572 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: She may have won in the court of the law, 573 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: but she has failed in the court of public opinion. 574 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: And from that point on, she really really wanted the 575 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,879 Speaker 1: absolute worst for the Cardinal, for Rohan, who she already 576 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: didn't care for, who she already didn't care for a 577 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: great point. So although the Cardinal was acquitted, it didn't 578 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: help that the Queen of the country hated this dude. 579 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: So he loses all his offices and he is exile. 580 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: Old and then our anti hero of the story, Sean, 581 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: for this, this crime, this diamond hoax, is sentenced to 582 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: be flogged. She's got the hot v honor and she 583 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: is going to prison for life. At least I was 584 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: her sentence. She later escapes to England and publishes publishes 585 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,959 Speaker 1: a hit piece on the queen, so she doesn't really 586 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 1: feel bad. Pretty brazen this one, huh yeah, And she 587 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: made it out, But the Queen didn't make it out unscathed. No, 588 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: she never really recovered from this. I mean, it's interesting 589 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: because she really didn't do anything. All this stuff happened 590 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: under her nose. Uh. She was used as at the 591 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,439 Speaker 1: center of this kind of like diamond heist, as sort 592 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,919 Speaker 1: of like a Patsy, kind of a weird fall guy. 593 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: And in in what way was she a fall guy? Well, 594 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: her reputation took an absolute nose dive. Not that I mean, 595 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: as we know already not the most popular government in 596 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 1: terms of the incredible gulf between the rich and the poor, 597 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: in the sense that these folks, these muckey monks are 598 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: just living it up, you know, at the hotel Versailles, uh, 599 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 1: doing their thing, and the rest of the you know, 600 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: common folks are just scrapping in the streets for food. 601 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: You know. It's like in lay Miss. We've seen lay 602 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: Miss just like that. Um. Yeah, but this just cements 603 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: that reputation for utter moral bankruptcy. And as an article 604 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 1: in Britannica about the affair of the diamond necklace puts it, frivolity, 605 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 1: just this sense of the let the meat cake thing, 606 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 1: which we know is not a real thing, but just 607 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,839 Speaker 1: that's what is encapsulated here in this whole affair. It's 608 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 1: like they are so clueless, so out of touch. It's 609 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: one of the this is but one of the incidents 610 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: leading up to what we call the French Revolution today. 611 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: And it's strange because I don't know about I don't 612 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: know about you, but I had not heard of this. 613 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: I I like many of us here in the US. 614 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: It is sort of a vague outline or chronology of 615 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: the French Revolution and the transformation of its government. But 616 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 1: I had no idea there was a diamond heist. They 617 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: should be telling more people about this in school. Everybody 618 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: likes a good diamond heist. Everybody likes a good hoax. 619 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: That's true. And this concludes our story of the affair 620 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,959 Speaker 1: of the diamond necklace, or, as you said earlier, Noel, 621 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,360 Speaker 1: the scandal. Here's my question, Ben, how do you offence 622 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: an item like that? You go to England, you go 623 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: to a different country, you sell it to another monarchy. 624 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: Maybe you break it down and just sell the diamonds. 625 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: That's probably what you'd have to do, because surely there 626 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: would be a p B S out for this thing 627 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: across the land. I was wondering about Europe. Yeah, I 628 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: always wondering about that. With art hoaxes and unique items, 629 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: you know, like someone steals a priceless painting. How do 630 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: you fence that? Where do you? Who? Do you sellitude? 631 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: Do you go on Craigslist? I don't know. I've never 632 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: I've on a lot of things in my life, but 633 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: I have yet to steal and fence priceless artwork. Hey 634 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 1: maybe twenty nineteen in my year? Man. Well, here's the 635 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,919 Speaker 1: thing too. There are there like shadowy you know, collectors 636 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,919 Speaker 1: that are the ones who are brazen enough to buy 637 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: that stuff. And that's where they keep that in their 638 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: secret gallery. It's like behind like a bookshelf or whatever. 639 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 1: You gotta walk him. It was a really interesting article 640 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: I had read a few weeks back that was positing 641 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,839 Speaker 1: a lot of artwork we see in public museums is 642 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 1: actually forged, with the real pieces being, as you said, 643 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: in secret galleries. I don't know. You think that's likely? 644 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,800 Speaker 1: I'm not sure? But have you seen the movie? Um? 645 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 1: Can you ever forgive me? I think I have. It's 646 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: with what's your name? Melissa McCarthy. It's it was pretty recent. 647 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: It's about she's like kind of a failed writer. Yeah. 648 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: Where she got that best friend? H Yeah, the British 649 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 1: guy whose name I'm forgetting right now, but I love him. 650 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: He was in with nail and I and some other Yeah, 651 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: but her whole thing is and this isn't a spoiler 652 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: if you don't want a mild spoiler about this movie, 653 00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: and it's what the movie is about. But you don't 654 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 1: know what away she ends up. You know, she's hard, 655 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: down on her luck, and she ends up forging letters 656 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: from famous, famous dead writers and you know, socialites, and 657 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: then she's really good at and she's really good at 658 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: it and she gets the wit and all of that down. 659 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: That's the same with like being able to forge a 660 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 1: work of art, right, you have to really nail it. 661 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: It's more than just making a copy. You almost have 662 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,319 Speaker 1: to have like the soul of the artists and be 663 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,839 Speaker 1: able to copy that. I would watch I would watch 664 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: The Affair of the Diamond Necklace were it a film. 665 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: And speaking of films, let us know what are some 666 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: of your favorite heist films. What are some of your 667 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 1: favorite stories of uh appalling opulence from various royal families 668 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 1: of time gone by? Let us know. You can find 669 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 1: us on Facebook, you can find us on Twitter, you 670 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: can find us on Instagram. You can hang out with 671 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: our favorite part of the show, your fellow listeners on 672 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: our Facebook page ridiculous historians. That's the one, Yeah, the 673 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: one we're talking about the top of the show where 674 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: you can follow the beef between me and Christopher hasciotes 675 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 1: about whether or not Mandy's a good film? Is that 676 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: what you guys are talking on it is? Why doesn't 677 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 1: I saw what I saw him on it. I saw 678 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 1: he said that he would watch it again. But it's like, 679 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: the thing is, I went to so much trouble trying 680 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: to get this to play at the Plaza. He didn't 681 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: even go well, he didn't like it. He hated the movie. 682 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: He he literally just wrote to me episode I told 683 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,319 Speaker 1: him about this beef. I said, this beef is now 684 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 1: ridiculous history canon and he goes episode one thirty two, 685 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,360 Speaker 1: the time Noel Brown revealed how historically wrong he was 686 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 1: about Mandy. Now I've got I've got an ally in 687 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 1: this fight for man. I mean, you, we were there 688 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,840 Speaker 1: all along then, But I think we need to we 689 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 1: need to sit down with Christopher and set the record straight. 690 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,880 Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna be Sweden on this. 691 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,360 Speaker 1: I've never let someone else's opinion of a film interfere 692 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,760 Speaker 1: with how I feel about it, So I'm not gonna, 693 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 1: absolutely not. But he's really doubling down on this. I 694 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 1: don't negotiate with terrorists. He's borderline entering character assassination territory. 695 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: I did not negotiate with terrorists. That's fair. Was that 696 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 1: like a JFK voice kind of No, that's just that's 697 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: my real voice, got it? But yeah, if you want 698 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,799 Speaker 1: to follow this ongoing so I gotta check us out 699 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 1: on Ridiculous Historians on Facebook. Um, if you want to 700 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: check us out on Instagram, we mainly just post like 701 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,799 Speaker 1: new episodes and stuff. But if you want to check 702 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 1: out me and Ben's personal exploits, you can follow me 703 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,840 Speaker 1: at Embryonic Insider and you can follow me at Ben Bullen. Currently, 704 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,840 Speaker 1: I am snacking on uh pizzeria's or I'm about to 705 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,760 Speaker 1: because this is one of my favorite long gone chips 706 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:32,799 Speaker 1: and I think I just found a way to get 707 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,360 Speaker 1: a bag man. When I heard you say that, you 708 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 1: said snacking on pizzeria's, I was picturing you, like like 709 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 1: eating like all the pizza available, and the building, like 710 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 1: the stone, the benches. You're you're sort of like, what's 711 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 1: that French guy who ate all the things? I think 712 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 1: I think you ate a baby. I don't know anybody 713 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 1: who eats babies. You don't know about this. Uh, there's 714 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 1: a Brazilian guy who you know what, we should save this. 715 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,360 Speaker 1: This is a story for another day. Hey, I just 716 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 1: want to point out I googled French guy who ate 717 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,919 Speaker 1: a baby. His name was Terre and he was born 718 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 1: in rural France nearly on in seventeen seventy two. And 719 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 1: his whole thing was he would eat anything. He was 720 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,960 Speaker 1: actually hospitalized in a psychiatric ward where it is conjectured 721 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,960 Speaker 1: that he possibly ate a baby. Well, there's also this 722 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,400 Speaker 1: goes back to the super the super Stummings, right, the 723 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 1: super Eaters. That's there's a guy in Brazil who has 724 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 1: done the same thing. And we're not talking about the 725 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,680 Speaker 1: survivors of the crash in the andes On, you know, 726 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,799 Speaker 1: the basis or the inspiration for the movie Alive. All right, 727 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 1: let's see you next time, folks. For more podcasts from 728 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,360 Speaker 1: My Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, 729 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.