WEBVTT - Bedside Manners 5: Slice ‘n Dice

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<v Speaker 1>Bit by bit, teaspoon by teaspoon, the archaeologists shoveled away

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<v Speaker 1>the dirt. Their work had taken the team to a

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<v Speaker 1>remote region of Indonesia to a cave named Liang Tabou.

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<v Speaker 1>The soft limestone showed evidence of human occupation, including paintings

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<v Speaker 1>that clocked in it over forty thousand years old. The

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<v Speaker 1>spot was a favorite for archaeologists, and they had come

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<v Speaker 1>to look for more prehistoric signs of life, so you

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<v Speaker 1>can imagine their excitement when they came across simple stone

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<v Speaker 1>markers on the ground of the cave's largest chamber. They

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<v Speaker 1>had an idea about what this might be, and slowly, methodically,

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<v Speaker 1>and meticulously began to upturn the earth. At almost five

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<v Speaker 1>feet down, they found it an ancient grave. The skeleton

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<v Speaker 1>appeared to be a young person around twenty years old.

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<v Speaker 1>It was almost fully intact. Almost finding bones in the

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<v Speaker 1>ground isn't, in principle uncommon, but there were many things

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<v Speaker 1>that made this find spectacular. Archaeologist determined that this person

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<v Speaker 1>died over thirty thousand years ago. The age of the

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<v Speaker 1>skeleton and its intentional burial felt astonishing to them. It

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the oldest examples of this ever found.

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<v Speaker 1>The skeleton was missing its foot, but they found no

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<v Speaker 1>evidence of infection nor blunt force trauma on its own.

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<v Speaker 1>This might not seem very spectacular, but the team discovered

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<v Speaker 1>something that made this not just a grape vine but

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<v Speaker 1>a revolutionary one. You see, there was a considerable amount

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<v Speaker 1>of new bone growth evidence of healing. This and the

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<v Speaker 1>meticulous intentional way in which the bones seemed to have

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<v Speaker 1>been removed led archaeologists to conclude that this limb had

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<v Speaker 1>been deliberately surgically amputated, making this the oldest evidence of

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<v Speaker 1>ancient surgery ever discovered. Scholars have long assumed that prehistoric

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<v Speaker 1>societies had very basic surgical skills. We've found evidence of dentistry, suturine,

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<v Speaker 1>and cranial trepination, among other things, but evidence of a

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<v Speaker 1>complete and successful amputation suggests something else. That these people

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<v Speaker 1>had well developed knowledge of anatomy, vascular systems, and remedies

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<v Speaker 1>for infection. They knew how to stave off further harm

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<v Speaker 1>to the body, and continued care in the postoperative time.

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<v Speaker 1>The long standing assumption has been that surgical knowledge and

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<v Speaker 1>technology really only developed after humans began to shift from

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<v Speaker 1>hunting and foraging to farming. A pivot that began around

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<v Speaker 1>ten thousand years ago. The discovery of a successful amputation

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<v Speaker 1>from over thirty thousand years ago, in which the patient

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<v Speaker 1>not only didn't die, but went on to live for

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<v Speaker 1>many years afterwards, completely changes how surgical knowledge and processes

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<v Speaker 1>are thought to have developed and places them in a

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<v Speaker 1>much earlier period. Have we ever originally thought? If you

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<v Speaker 1>think about the past one hundred years, our medical technology

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<v Speaker 1>has evolved at a staggering pace. We hope for the

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<v Speaker 1>best at hospitals and can often trust that we might

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<v Speaker 1>leave there better than when we arrived. We revere doctors

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<v Speaker 1>in white coats and defer to their best judgment and dexterous,

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<v Speaker 1>steady hands. Many of us only have the vaguest idea

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<v Speaker 1>of what goes on inside of our bodies and how

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<v Speaker 1>all of the puzzle pieces are put together. We hope

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<v Speaker 1>that they have a better idea than we do, but

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<v Speaker 1>they haven't always. In fact, surgical amputation only became a

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<v Speaker 1>norm within the last century. At one time, amputation would

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<v Speaker 1>be done as a last ditch effort to save someone's life.

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<v Speaker 1>While it might and often did kill a patient, they

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<v Speaker 1>most certainly would die if the offensive body part was

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<v Speaker 1>left intact. The history of surgery is a long and

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating one, chuck full of curiosity and ham fisted cleaverers.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been misguided at times and totally astonishing in others,

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<v Speaker 1>and with plenty of bloodshed along the way. I'm Aaron Manky,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to bedside Manners. You've heard me say this before,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'll say it once again. Archaeology isn't an exact science.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a discipline of best guesses. A field filled with

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<v Speaker 1>detectives covered in dirt figuratively a field, but also sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>literally in a field. Before the twenty twenty two discovery

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<v Speaker 1>in Indonesia, some of the oldest surgical discoveries were believed

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<v Speaker 1>to have come from about ten thousand years ago. The

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<v Speaker 1>Neolithic period, as it was known, was the time period

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<v Speaker 1>in which humans began to take up farming. When people

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<v Speaker 1>did this, they also started to store their dead and

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<v Speaker 1>shared locations. Burying our dead is one of the oldest

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<v Speaker 1>expressions of our humanity, and we've been at it for

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<v Speaker 1>over one hundred thirty thousand years. As ancient people created communities,

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<v Speaker 1>they created burial sites too, and it's in these burial

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<v Speaker 1>sites across the globe that archaeologists have found over fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>hundred skulls that bear evidence of trefination, the act of

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<v Speaker 1>drilling a hole into the skull of a living person

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<v Speaker 1>in the hopes of curing sickness. There is a chance

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<v Speaker 1>that this practice existed far before these people lived, but

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<v Speaker 1>we can imagine that the intentional placement and preservation of

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<v Speaker 1>these bodies had something to do with our ability to

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<v Speaker 1>make this discovery. The question, though, is why, and the

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<v Speaker 1>truth is will probably never know, but one guess is that,

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of medicine up until the past few

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<v Speaker 1>hundred years, healing and spirituality were deeply intertwined. Were these

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<v Speaker 1>ancient neurosurgeons trying to relieve patients of physical symptoms such

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<v Speaker 1>as headaches or seizures, or to provide an escape hatch

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<v Speaker 1>for voices and demons that may have affected the person.

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<v Speaker 1>What we do know is that these people went on

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<v Speaker 1>to live hopefully healed, as evidenced by bone regrowth. And

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<v Speaker 1>we know too that Neolithic surgeons were operating on head

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<v Speaker 1>injuries and seemingly successfully at times. As civilizations developed thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of years later, Babylon, Egypt, China, and Greece among them,

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<v Speaker 1>the great thinkers across the ancient world tried their hands

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<v Speaker 1>at understanding what it meant to be a healer and

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<v Speaker 1>how that's squared with cutting into the body. Different social

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<v Speaker 1>mores across cultures dictated what was allowable For thousands of years.

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<v Speaker 1>Health and healing were directly tied to these supernatural in

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<v Speaker 1>some ways, and in some places it still is. Before

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<v Speaker 1>the advent of modern science and medicine, humans believe that

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<v Speaker 1>sickness was caused by unseen forces, and they were kind

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<v Speaker 1>of right. But it wasn't the invisible spirits they had

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<v Speaker 1>to fear, but microscopic germs invisible to the naked eye.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the ancient Egyptians who first peered into the

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<v Speaker 1>human skull with the idea that it was the brain

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<v Speaker 1>that was the command center of the body. They were

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<v Speaker 1>right far before anyone else was. But not everyone was

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<v Speaker 1>so gung ho as they were about internal investigations. In

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<v Speaker 1>ancient China and Greece, religious and spiritual beliefs dictated that

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<v Speaker 1>the body was sacred, and as you learned in our

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<v Speaker 1>previous episodes, human dissection was outlawed for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the original Hippocratic oath, which is still taken

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<v Speaker 1>by doctors today, specifically forbade them from cutting. It said,

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<v Speaker 1>and I quote, I will not use a knife, not

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<v Speaker 1>even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor

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<v Speaker 1>of such men as are engaged in this work. The Oath,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, also set out to create two distinct classes

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<v Speaker 1>of healers, sally physicians and tradesman surgeons. Following the rise

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<v Speaker 1>of the Roman Empire, Greek healers and their knowledge were

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<v Speaker 1>absorbed into the social fabric. Hippocratic beliefs spread throughout the territory,

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<v Speaker 1>and the demand for care often outpaced supply. Interestingly, it's

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<v Speaker 1>here that we saw more and more enslaved people and

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<v Speaker 1>servants take on more surgical responsibilities for their households and communities.

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<v Speaker 1>The physician Galen, who wrote a great deal about anatomy

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<v Speaker 1>and surgical procedures, likely never performed or even witnessed the

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<v Speaker 1>dissection of a human because of the Roman outlaw of

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<v Speaker 1>the practice. However, he had been a surgeon to gladiators,

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<v Speaker 1>where spilled blood and guts were all in a day's work.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of his surgical knowledge, though, was just based on

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<v Speaker 1>animal dissection, which could only help so much when it

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<v Speaker 1>came to understanding the human body, he became the leading

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<v Speaker 1>authority on the matter. But what he didn't understand he

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<v Speaker 1>made up, If you'll pardon the pun, he took a

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<v Speaker 1>stab at it with best guesses as to how the

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<v Speaker 1>human body worked. And yet his word was taken as

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<v Speaker 1>fact for a very long time, until sensibility shifted into

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<v Speaker 1>a place where intentional slicing was not only acceptable but

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely necessary in moving knowledge forward. King Louis the fourteenth

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<v Speaker 1>would meet a bad end, but November eighteenth of sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty six wasn't going to be that day. That said,

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<v Speaker 1>he was certainly in for a bit of suffering due

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<v Speaker 1>to his well his other bad end. By early morning

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<v Speaker 1>of that day, our king was flanked by his closest advisers,

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<v Speaker 1>faced down, prostrate and pantless in bed. His people held

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<v Speaker 1>his legs apart and firmly to the bed. As Charles

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<v Speaker 1>Francois Felix began, the king was suffering from an anal fistula.

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<v Speaker 1>For months. He had tried lansings and laxatives, leeches and irons,

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<v Speaker 1>but no physician could relieve the king's suffering, and by

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<v Speaker 1>the spring of that year he was growing desperate. So

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<v Speaker 1>he called for a surgeon. Louis summoned Charles Francois and

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<v Speaker 1>pleaded for help. But knowing that one wrong step or

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<v Speaker 1>slice could mean the end of Charles Francois's career and

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<v Speaker 1>possibly the end of him, the surgeon implored the king

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<v Speaker 1>to give him a few more months of time to

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<v Speaker 1>study and figure out a way to help his condition. So,

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<v Speaker 1>with a deep breath and probably a few prayers, Charles

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<v Speaker 1>Francois took his special made metal protractor, his knife shaped

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<v Speaker 1>like a scythe, and got to work in the candlelight,

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<v Speaker 1>without any antiseptic and without any pain relief. The king

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<v Speaker 1>soldiered on through the morning. By lunchtime, the operation was over,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know what, it was a success. And with

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<v Speaker 1>that the new year of sixteen eighty six was deemed

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<v Speaker 1>the year of the Fistula by the crown. He filled

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<v Speaker 1>fountains with wine and saying his own praises of bravery

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<v Speaker 1>in the face of adversity. The king rewarded Charles Francois

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<v Speaker 1>with a heavy sum of francs and a large estate,

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<v Speaker 1>making him a celebrity in his own right. In a

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<v Speaker 1>strange twist, the surgery became somew fashionable, with folks clamoring

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<v Speaker 1>for a cure when there was no problem to begin with.

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<v Speaker 1>This moment helped to change the public's view of surgeons.

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<v Speaker 1>In the collective imaginations, they evolved from simple tradesmen to

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<v Speaker 1>skillful healers. As you've heard by now, barber surgeons were

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<v Speaker 1>long considered to be well barbarous, knife wielders and blood letters.

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<v Speaker 1>They occupied a distinctly different social space than the refined

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<v Speaker 1>minds of the academy. Their job meant getting down and dirty,

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<v Speaker 1>while the physicians preferred to look but not touch. In

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle Ages, there were various attempts to unify physicians

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<v Speaker 1>and surgeons and have them work together rather than in opposition,

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<v Speaker 1>but as you can imagine, this was sometimes a fraud endeavor.

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<v Speaker 1>With the Renaissance came a turn in the story for surgeons,

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<v Speaker 1>as they finally moved into positions of respectability within the

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<v Speaker 1>healing business. They were starting to be viewed as innovators,

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<v Speaker 1>not quacks or buffoons. They held sharp clinical skills and

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<v Speaker 1>an understanding of the body's interior geography based on hands

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<v Speaker 1>on experience and observation rather than just old theories. By

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<v Speaker 1>the eighteen hundreds, London and Paris had become the epicenters

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<v Speaker 1>of surgical development, serving both the needs of science and entertainments.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been at this for a good number of years,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've read my fair share about the Victorian culture.

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<v Speaker 1>But one of the most striking discoveries that one makes

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<v Speaker 1>when reading into their history is their love of the macabre.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, this was the time when crime scenes, the

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<v Speaker 1>ghastlier the better, became tourist attractions. True crime stories became

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<v Speaker 1>all the rage. People wanted to look but not touch.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted to step close to danger and be able

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<v Speaker 1>to walk away. It's not that different from the way

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<v Speaker 1>that we still experience true horror podcasts and scary movies.

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<v Speaker 1>It's voyeurism. It's safe, and to them, these surgical procedures,

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<v Speaker 1>often bloody and grotesque, didn't look much different than crime scenes.

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<v Speaker 1>Public operations and dissections became not just the means by

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<v Speaker 1>which a budding surgeon could learn new skills, but they

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<v Speaker 1>also doubled as entertainment for folks who headed out for

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<v Speaker 1>a night on the public operating theaters where bodies were

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<v Speaker 1>center stage were happy to take their money. Even into

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<v Speaker 1>the mid nineteenth century, invasive surgeries were very rare and

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<v Speaker 1>very risky. They were generally avoided except as an absolute

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<v Speaker 1>last resort, So people came to catch a glimpse of

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<v Speaker 1>these rare events when they could, sort of like when

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<v Speaker 1>the circus might come to town, a once in a

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<v Speaker 1>while event, a spectacle ripe for public consumption. But hey,

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<v Speaker 1>if that isn't morbid enough, let me remind you that

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<v Speaker 1>hospitals were known as houses of death. Think mushrooms and

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<v Speaker 1>maggots in the bedsheets, wailing in the hallways, and rodents

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<v Speaker 1>nibbling on discarded limbs. They were fetid and squalid places,

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<v Speaker 1>filled with the lingering stench of blood, custs, and the

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<v Speaker 1>undigested food and fecal matter that still slashed around inside

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<v Speaker 1>the stomachs of dissected cadavers, and those corpses were often

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<v Speaker 1>less strewn about, dripping blood onto the floors where it

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<v Speaker 1>congealed and dried. Students and practitioners wore aprons that had

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<v Speaker 1>been passed down to them by professor and former staff,

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<v Speaker 1>which had never been washed. In fact, they were worn

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<v Speaker 1>as badges of honor. And hey, if I've captivated you

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<v Speaker 1>thus far, and maybe even ruined your breakfast, then there's

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<v Speaker 1>one more surgeon you just have to meet, because he

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<v Speaker 1>so very infamously cemented himself into the history books for

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<v Speaker 1>reasons you might find hard to believe. Robert Liston walked

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<v Speaker 1>into the operating room, flanked by his assistance. He was

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<v Speaker 1>an imposing fellow, his apron starched with blood and tissue.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a vision, part angel and part butcher, with

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<v Speaker 1>the skills of both. Pulling up next to the operating table,

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<v Speaker 1>he looked at his audience. Time me, gentlemen, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>time me. Then he made a cut. Screams filled the theater,

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone looked on in wrapped fascination. If history remembers

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<v Speaker 1>the fastest gun in the West, it could certainly remember

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<v Speaker 1>the fastest knife. With a custom made amputation fourteen inches

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<v Speaker 1>long and one and a quarter inches wide, Robert's amputation

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<v Speaker 1>knife was also one of the sharpest. While his emphasis

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<v Speaker 1>on speed may strike you was a bit reckless, it

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<v Speaker 1>was an appreciated skill. His work, which also happened to

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<v Speaker 1>be highly accurate, gave patients peace of mind at a

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<v Speaker 1>time when anesthesia didn't exist. The shorter, the suffering, the better.

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<v Speaker 1>Standing At an imposing six foot two inches tall, Robert

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<v Speaker 1>was a full eight inches taller than the average Brits

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<v Speaker 1>of his day. He was brutish and abrasive, vain and bombastic,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was always charitable to the poor and warm

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<v Speaker 1>to his sick patients. He was one of the very

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<v Speaker 1>best surgeons of his time, with only about one in

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<v Speaker 1>ten patients dying on his table. Nearby hospitals weren't as lucky,

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<v Speaker 1>with a mortality rate of about one in four cases.

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<v Speaker 1>But although his patients came willingly, it doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 1>they stayed happily. The unlucky or lucky, depending on how

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<v Speaker 1>you think about it, were often strapped to blood encrusted

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<v Speaker 1>operating tables, held down by attendance, and over with agony.

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<v Speaker 1>He could amputate limbs in just a few strokes in

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<v Speaker 1>less than a minute. The hope was that the pain

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<v Speaker 1>he caused his patients would only be a temporary state,

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<v Speaker 1>and that they would go on to live functional lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Until the eighteen forties, surgical practice remained a superficial art.

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<v Speaker 1>Little could be done deep inside the body's cavities. As

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen, surgery carried a lot of risks, even as

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<v Speaker 1>it became a relatively more commonplace part of medicine. Robert Liston, though,

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<v Speaker 1>would prove to be a cut above the rest. As

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<v Speaker 1>a young man, he had come to London to study

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<v Speaker 1>surgery and anatomy, before bouncing between the city and Edinburgh, Scotland.

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<v Speaker 1>He was brilliant and provocative, prone to disagreements that severed

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<v Speaker 1>professional relationships and made him rather insufferable to work with.

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<v Speaker 1>Even so, he was ahead of his time. He found

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<v Speaker 1>hospital conditions to be deplorable, and in a time before

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<v Speaker 1>germ theory worked toward cleanliness, he was adamant about clean

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<v Speaker 1>simple bandage, dressings and washing sponges and surgical tools. He

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<v Speaker 1>had returned to London in eighteen thirty for as an

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<v Speaker 1>instructor at one of the new teaching hospitals, playing a

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<v Speaker 1>major role in the transformation of surgery into a modern specialty.

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<v Speaker 1>His staff was small and money was thin, but here

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<v Speaker 1>he saw the opportunity before him. Because medical specialties didn't

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<v Speaker 1>exist yet, Robert did it all. He set fractures and

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<v Speaker 1>did facial reconstructions, performed amputations and removed tumors. He could

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<v Speaker 1>use his bare hands as a tourniquet. He invented tools

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<v Speaker 1>that we still use today, and he carried his knife

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<v Speaker 1>up his sleeve to always keep it warm. His trademark speed, though,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes came at a price. As the legend goes, there

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<v Speaker 1>was one surgery that, for all of his successes, Robert's

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<v Speaker 1>celebrity hasn't been able to live down. Whether it's true

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<v Speaker 1>or not depends on the sources you consult and the

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<v Speaker 1>people you ask as primary source. Documents couldn't be turned up,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's a good story, so I'm going to tell

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<v Speaker 1>it to you anyway. Like any other day in the office,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert don his starched and sticky surgical garb and set

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<v Speaker 1>out to conduct a leg amputation. Famously, he once amputated

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<v Speaker 1>a young boy's leg with an easy six strokes, so

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<v Speaker 1>this shouldn't have proven to be a difficult case. But somewhere, somehow,

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<v Speaker 1>things went fatally wrong. In the midst of the surgical spectacle,

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<v Speaker 1>someone moved carelessly with his blade. He sliced off the

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<v Speaker 1>fingers of his surgical assistant and then went on to

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<v Speaker 1>cut off a spectator's coattails. It said that neither the

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<v Speaker 1>patient nor the assistant fared well, and both soon died

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<v Speaker 1>from infection. And while coattails being cut isn't a fatal injury,

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<v Speaker 1>the spectator is said to have died from shock from

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<v Speaker 1>the whole incident, earning list in the ignoble achievement of

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<v Speaker 1>performing a single surgical procedure with a three hundred percent

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<v Speaker 1>mortality rate. Now, of course, why someone would make up

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<v Speaker 1>this story, if it indeed isn't true, is something to

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<v Speaker 1>wonder about. His professional peers simultaneously loathed and admired him,

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<v Speaker 1>and his students adored him. But in many ways he

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<v Speaker 1>seemed larger than life in both his stature and his

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<v Speaker 1>contributions to his community. So I guess it would make

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<v Speaker 1>sense that a bit of mythology was bound to take

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<v Speaker 1>roots about him. One thing that I think we can

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<v Speaker 1>all agree on, though, is that we're all pretty fortunate

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<v Speaker 1>that we'll never have to meet him in the operating

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<v Speaker 1>theater and find out if it's true for ourselves. Robert

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<v Speaker 1>Liston brought speed to the surgical tables at a time

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<v Speaker 1>when that skill was paramount, But soon there would be

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<v Speaker 1>something else that would usurp its, rendering his trademark clip unnecessary.

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<v Speaker 1>For thousands of years, up until this point, we had

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<v Speaker 1>been working through gradual stages to arrive at a place

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<v Speaker 1>where surgery could be both safe and painless. First we

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<v Speaker 1>had to understand the body's anatomy. Then we had to

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<v Speaker 1>learn to control bleeding. A third point arrived around eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty six, when we learned to control consciousness. Anesthesia had

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<v Speaker 1>arrived in Europe under Robert's watch. As history tells us,

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<v Speaker 1>the winter of eighteen forty six brought with it a

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<v Speaker 1>patient by the name of Frederick Churchill. After many years

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<v Speaker 1>of bouncing from physician to physician looking for cure after cure,

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<v Speaker 1>it became obvious to all that the only thing to

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<v Speaker 1>do for his knee pain was to remove the limb entirely.

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<v Speaker 1>He lay in Robert's candlelit operating room, surely aware of

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<v Speaker 1>the spectacle that was about to befall the audience, then

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<v Speaker 1>the starring role that he had at center stage. But

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<v Speaker 1>when Robert walked in, he brandished only an empty looking

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<v Speaker 1>jar and a whole lot of bravado. He held it

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<v Speaker 1>up to the audience and announced that he was going

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<v Speaker 1>to use ether to make his patient insensible. The idea

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<v Speaker 1>came to him after hearing stories about dentists in America

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<v Speaker 1>using it, and he was going to give it a

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<v Speaker 1>try here. And with that, Robert had the patient Frederick

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<v Speaker 1>stick a rubber tube attached to the jar into his

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<v Speaker 1>mouth and inhale. It took all of twenty eight seconds

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<v Speaker 1>for Robert to slice off his leg, full minutes before

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<v Speaker 1>Frederick would stir again. Both the ether and the surgery

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<v Speaker 1>had been successful with time to spare, so successful, in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>that when Frederick woke up he asked when the surgery

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<v Speaker 1>would begin. The audience, without a doubt, was astounded. They

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<v Speaker 1>had witnessed something new that in time would become commonplace

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<v Speaker 1>surgery as we had once known it had pivoted indefinitely,

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<v Speaker 1>all under the watchful knife of Robert Liston. It's easy

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<v Speaker 1>to believe, after listening to the grizzly history of surgery,

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<v Speaker 1>that the procedures performed often ended or severely ruined lives. Certainly,

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<v Speaker 1>the stories about speed surgeons like Robert Liston do a

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<v Speaker 1>good job of making us wonder if those wielding the

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<v Speaker 1>knife truly had their patient's best interest in mind. But

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<v Speaker 1>some procedures have done more than saved lives. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>one saved a man's career and in the process set

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<v Speaker 1>him on a course to change history. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>stick around through this brief sponsor break my teammate Robin

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<v Speaker 1>Miniter will tell you all about it. Alan Shephard thought

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<v Speaker 1>his career was over. He was mad, he was grieving,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was said by some to be the most

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<v Speaker 1>disgruntled employee working at NASA. It hadn't always been this way, though,

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<v Speaker 1>you see. Alan had been the first American in space.

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<v Speaker 1>He had been a hero, a national icon, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was now what a paper pusher. Sitting at his desk

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<v Speaker 1>as the new chief of the Astronaut Office, Alan couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>help but feel like he was now just riding the bench.

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<v Speaker 1>He had been one of the original seven astronauts in

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<v Speaker 1>Project Mercury before he fell out of ranks. Alan had

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<v Speaker 1>been reassigned after was determined that he was no longer

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<v Speaker 1>fit for flight. The problem, you see, was that Alan

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<v Speaker 1>was found to be suffering from something called Meniere's disease,

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<v Speaker 1>an inner ear problem that causes dysregulation and balance. It's

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<v Speaker 1>known to trigger spontaneous bouts of vertigo into nitis attacks,

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<v Speaker 1>which left Alan dizzy and vomiting. You can imagine how

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<v Speaker 1>catastrophic this might be for somebody piloting a rocket. But

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<v Speaker 1>he had heard of a new procedure that might be

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<v Speaker 1>able to cure him, and he found a doctor. In

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<v Speaker 1>early nineteen sixty he had decided to go to Los

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<v Speaker 1>Angeles and Chances of Surgery in the hopes of salvaging

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<v Speaker 1>everything that he had worked for. Scientific testing to determine

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<v Speaker 1>if a procedure is going to be effective is a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty murky business. There's conflict between the ethics of research

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<v Speaker 1>and the ethics of clinical practice. The former balances benefit

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<v Speaker 1>and harm an individual level and the hopes of serving

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<v Speaker 1>the broader good. Medicine's hippocratic oath fundamentally does not condone

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<v Speaker 1>causing harm, however minimal it may be. The problem, then,

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<v Speaker 1>is that medical practitioners can't know if something is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be effective until it's been subjected to scientific testing.

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<v Speaker 1>And if a treatment becomes commonplace and people believe it

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<v Speaker 1>to be effective, the medical professionals are sometimes worried that

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<v Speaker 1>conducting tests to see whether or not something might indeed

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<v Speaker 1>be effective will deny patient's potential help should it be shelved.

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<v Speaker 1>The important thing to note here is a necessity of

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<v Speaker 1>belief on the part of the patient that something might

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<v Speaker 1>be effective. Time and time again, those in medicine have

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<v Speaker 1>run to what's known as the placebo effect. For whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 1>It's been found in double blind trials that even the

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<v Speaker 1>theater of pills and procedures seemed to alleviate chronic ailments.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a perceived effectiveness, either on the part of the

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<v Speaker 1>patient or their doctor that is undeniable, though it's all subjective.

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<v Speaker 1>Alan arrived in Los Angeles ready to be operated on.

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<v Speaker 1>His surgeon placed a tiny silicone tube with his ear,

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<v Speaker 1>allowing excess fluids to drain if need be. The surgeon's

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<v Speaker 1>handiwork appeared to have been just the ticket. Following the procedure,

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<v Speaker 1>Alan reported a full recovery and a total cure from

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<v Speaker 1>the mysterious Maniaire's disease that had taken him out of commission.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was put back on the flight team and

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<v Speaker 1>as the commander of the Apollo fourteen mission, he got

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<v Speaker 1>his flight to the Moon, but his story doesn't end there.

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<v Speaker 1>Years later, this procedure went to testing. It was found

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<v Speaker 1>not to have any kind of therapeutic benefit, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was still found to cure Manierre's disease. Patience. In what

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<v Speaker 1>is called a double blind, random placebo controlled test, a

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<v Speaker 1>group of patients were all operated on externally. You couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>discern them from one another. But over the course of

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<v Speaker 1>three years it was found that over two thirds of

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<v Speaker 1>the patients had made a complete recovery, both of those

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<v Speaker 1>who have the real procedure and a placebo one healed,

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<v Speaker 1>suggesting that the procedure is essentially meaningless. It's possible that

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<v Speaker 1>Alan's chair was in the belief that he would be cured.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is indeed a slippery slope of logic, as

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<v Speaker 1>one can quickly come to blame someone for being sick.

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<v Speaker 1>But the mind is a powerful tool, and we can

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<v Speaker 1>all wonder if believing is the key to healing. Perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>just as much as the salves and the knives, as

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen in prior episodes, think that we know to

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<v Speaker 1>be somewhat harmful, such as bloodletting, were believed to be

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<v Speaker 1>therapeutic by practitioners and their patients, and in the century

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<v Speaker 1>since leeching bellad of fashion, we've seen placebo remedies come

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<v Speaker 1>and go. One scholar made a great suggestion that with

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<v Speaker 1>every operation, the surgeon should ponder whether the patient has

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<v Speaker 1>been healed because of the surgery or in spite of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Grim and Mild Presents Bedside Manners was executive produced by

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Manky and narrated by Aaron Manky and Robin Minater.

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<v Speaker 1>Writing for this season was provided by Robin Minater, with

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