WEBVTT - Behind the Scenes Minis: Air Conditioned Rabble Rouser 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:04.240 Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class A production 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:14.720 of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:19.000 and I'm Holly Frye. We talked about some historical heat 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:22.680 waves or historic heat waves, both words work. I think 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:27.840 in this case, yes, literal years I've been like heat waves, 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:31.600 something heat wave talk about on the show. Another thing 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:33.400 I have wanted to talk about the show, which is 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:41.040 tangentially related, is the development of lifeguards life guarding life 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:46.200 saving services because of all the drownings that happen, oh yeah, 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:49.479 in the summer, and that came up briefly in the episode, 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:52.120 and we talked about how many people have drowned in 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:53.960 the heat waves that have taken place in Europe. That 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:57.640 happens other places too. Obviously. One of the things that 0:00:57.680 --> 0:00:59.680 has made me think that I want to do an 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:04.280 episode at some point about life guarding those kinds of 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:08.520 life saving rescue operations is a few years ago we 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:14.440 had a particularly bad season of drownings in Massachusetts where 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:17.759 just a very tragic number of people who again we're 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:21.280 all just trying to get cool and play in the water, drowned. 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:26.120 And I have not found great resources to be able 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:29.240 to pull that together. Maybe it will happen someday, maybe 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:33.319 not for our upbeat drowning episode. Well it would be 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:36.920 upbeat because we would be talking about how we save 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:42.200 people from rom drowning. This episode of heat waves the 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:47.960 big bummer episode because the world's just getting hotter. Yeah, 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:53.240 and while France is legally bound to achieve carbon neutrality, 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:58.240 we are living under an administration that's canceling green energy 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:04.120 projects and yeah, I hate it. Yeah, it's not a 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:08.400 good feeling. I will say. Just to talk about the weather, Okay, 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:12.640 as you know, as people know, I love hot weather. 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:19.600 I like heat, and I know this one is freaky humidity. Yeah, 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:21.960 this is the first year that I can think of. 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:23.799 And some of this might just be that I'm getting older, 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:27.880 but where I've been like uh oh yeah too hot. 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:33.320 I have actually had two like kind of dehydration oh 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:37.520 heat strokey events this year when I was in Florida 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:40.000 both times, and like both times it was a matter 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:42.600 of like, get some electrolytes in me, plenty of water 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:44.679 and I bounce right back. But and I talked about 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:46.720 it with my doctor and she's like, ye, anythink that's 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:50.480 just heat strokey dehydration that has never happened to me before. 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:52.359 I mean it did when I was a kid, when 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.720 I was a little more delicate, but not in a 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.600 long time. And that's like for me, my own personal 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:00.639 like experiential data. I'm like going, yeah, hotter than it's 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.639 ever been. I can tell even when I mowed the lawn, 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:06.119 which I have to do now in like twenty five 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:10.840 to thirty minute increments, because it's so freaker. Yeah yeah, 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.200 Like our yard is bigish, it takes a couple hours 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:16.440 to mow the whole thing, and so like, over the 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:19.160 course of four days, I slowly get the lawn mode 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.720 because it's just even I am like, wow, it's stupid 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.840 if I stay out here any longer. Yeah. Yeah, our 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.320 yard is not big. Our yard is very small. It 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:32.399 can be done in very much less than one battery 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:38.320 of our battery operated rechargeable mower. Oh no, we have 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:40.839 three batteries, and I will buzz through all of them 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:45.200 and keep going. Yeah, come back the next day. I 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:47.000 one of I thought of a lot of things while 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:49.440 working on this one. We said at the top, how 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:52.800 it seems like heat is taken less seriously than some 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:56.400 of the other Yeah forms of weather. And one of 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.760 the things I talked about are thought about was back 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:03.480 when I was a teenager, I was in a Drummond 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:08.400 Bugle corps and we rehearsed outside in the hot and 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:12.760 the sun for hours, and I remember a couple of 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:19.360 situations where we would be like pushing toward a competition, 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:24.120 they would call for a water break. An instructor would say, 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:26.800 color guard, come over here, I want to go over 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:31.440 those last you know, sixteen measures again, and then we 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:36.080 wouldn't get any water. Oh no, and right. And there 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:38.599 was at least one time that somebody who was in 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:40.920 the color guard with me wound up having to get 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:45.480 like medical attention like her. I don't know what specifically. 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.800 There are multiple heat related things that can happen, and 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.320 I don't know which specifically it was, but she just 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.480 sort of shut down and got on the ground and 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:59.360 wrapped her flag around her and went to the hospital. 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.880 And I am hopeful that drum cores are better about 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:07.240 that now. Surely it's one of the sources of mixed 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:09.839 feelings that I have about my time in drum corps. 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:13.159 Oh yeah, I mean again, this often comes up, and 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:15.840 I don't mean to like be you know, kind of 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:19.360 like just throwing out the path thing. But like, yah, 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:25.159 our childhoods were dangerous, Yeah, they were, Like there just 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:27.080 wasn't as much and I don't mean to be like 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:30.719 marken Ard, but there was not as much information about 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:35.039 things like this, and I think one also, there was 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:39.359 less danger. I mean, I feel like we hit that 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:43.680 moment in the early two thousands where things started happening 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:48.279 where like very fit athletes were having issues like high school, 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.720 like I remember vaguely, and I feel bad because I'm 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.400 not going to remember the details of like a foot 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.240 like a high school football player that died because he 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:00.720 got dehydrated during practice or something. Yeah, and forgive me 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:02.640 if I'm not conjuring the right thing. But there was 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:04.360 an event like that, and I think that was a 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:07.000 moment where a lot of people were like, oh, kind 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.440 of a wake up call. We should really start thinking 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:14.320 more seriously about how, you know, these activities are managed 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:18.919 in terms of like just pure outdoor in the sun 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:23.560 heat safety, which is great and should always be the case. Yeah. Also, 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:28.000 some of us, me are really bad about drinking enough water. 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.240 And I'm getting better about it because I got scared 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:33.160 straight after those two little dehydration events. But it is 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.680 hard sometimes. I don't love water. I've said it many times, 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:41.600 but I like passing out even less so. But I 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:43.560 do think, you know, we all need to. I mean, 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.000 this is my PSA to everybody. Please make sure you 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:50.960 are getting enough fluids, enough electrolytes enough, you know, not 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:53.680 in the sun time. I worry all the time now 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.200 when I see this summer, as I said, it's been 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:59.279 particularly rough. When I see like the people that like 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.600 it's their job to work on lawns and stuff. Yeah, 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:05.160 I feel like I've become like a one woman watchdog 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:07.640 group where I just carry water in my car in 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:11.840 case I see anybody that looks like they haven't a problem. Yeah. Yeah, 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:13.600 even if they don't need it, if they just want 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.040 to pocket it, great. Yeah. I just want everybody to 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:19.360 be okay, there's no reason to pass out because you're 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:23.120 mowing a lawn. Yeah. Also, I can't speak for other countries. 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.480 I can only speak for the United States. Advocate for 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:29.120 laws to protect the people who work outside. Yes, like 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:34.080 agricultural workers who literally feed us. They are providing the 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.760 food for us to eat, and a lot of places 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:41.280 have virtually no protections related to the dangers of being 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:44.000 out in the heat all day. Yeah. I made reference 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:48.080 in this episode to the discourse. There has been a 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:51.080 lot of air conditioning discourse which I found very frustrating. 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.520 I found some of it funny. But yeah, I will 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:55.800 tell you what I found funny recently. It might be 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:57.440 the same thing you're getting to do you want to 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:01.200 go first, I don't know. Do we want it on Delight? 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:03.960 Listen on funny one? So yes, I'll say my thing first, 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.880 because I was more frustrated. I felt like a lot 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.520 of people were kind of talking past each other, and 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.240 a lot of people in the United States were making 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:17.880 things sound easy that aren't. Yeah, So like I saw 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.640 a lot of people saying, oh, they're complaining that they 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.400 can't just like their windows aren't the right shape to 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.840 put in a window air conditioner. You can put in 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:28.640 duck list air conditioning systems and old buildings. We do 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.040 it over here all the time. And it's like true, true, 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:34.720 we do put in duckless air conditioning systems. I put 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.880 a duckless air conditioning system into the house that we 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.959 bought in twenty nineteen, and let me tell you that 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:47.440 cost thirty thousand dollars yeah. Yeah, so like, yeah, we 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.920 can do this, but a lot of people cannot afford 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:55.760 thirty thousand dollars and and a lot of parts of 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:59.319 Europe it is more than that because of shortages of 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:04.400 the actual look equipment and stricter standards about things like 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:09.120 the energy efficiency of the systems, the historic protections on 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.160 the buildings, all of that kind of stuff. So yeah, 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:17.600 I found the discourse frustrating rather than funny. But I 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:20.280 want to hear what was funny to you, because that 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.000 does sound like a good way to end the episode. 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:26.880 I have two funny things, okay. One is just a 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:28.840 funny conversation between a friend and I, and two is 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:32.160 specifically about air conditioning. One is that I had been, 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:33.640 as I've been talking about on the show, I'm trying 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:35.680 to figure out when I can playin a trip to 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.120 London to see the bayou Ch Tapestry. Oh yeah, and I 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:39.520 was talking to one of my friends about it and 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:41.480 he's like, you might not want to come now it's 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:44.880 really hot, and like, again, I'm not playing one upsmanship. 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:46.480 But it was just funny because he was not taking 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:49.600 into account like what people are accustomed to, and he's 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.880 like he's getting in like the eighties, and I was like, oh, 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:55.000 my darling, to me, it is the real feel is 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:56.719 one hundred and twelve at my house right now. And 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:00.800 he's like, oh, you'll be fine. Yeah, I'm just more 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:02.640 I'm used to it. The eighties will feel great to me, 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:05.080 which is why I want to travel. Here's the funny 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:10.119 thing the World Cup. Okay, watching a lot of international 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.920 visitors come to the US, one of the things that 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:16.560 has delighted me is seeing how one a lot of 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:19.120 their preconceived notions about what the US is like got 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:23.680 kind of broken down, you know, like seeing them really 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:27.760 realize that the US actually does love football slash soccer, 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:29.880 you know that it's not like I know, there was 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.679 concern about being hosted in the US and discovering like, no, 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.960 there's plenty of passion for it here. But also seeing 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.960 them discover foods here, like the ranch dressing thing has 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:43.160 been great. But I saw so many people on social 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:45.920 media being like, how am I going to go home 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:48.600 to a place with that air conditioning after living Yeah, 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.840 after being in hotels that are like blasting sixty degree 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:56.440 air and it feeling like such a respitouseide right, it 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.400 doesn't solve the problems that you were discussing. But it 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:01.839 has been just that's funny, Like I feel like people 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:05.559 did not realize how much of a difference air conditioning 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:08.719 can make. Right you are having a very very hot day, 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.960 if you've been out in the stands or celebrating or 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:13.839 doing whatever you're doing, to then go back to a 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:20.000 room that's like arctic blast. Yeah, I did not even 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:22.960 think about air conditioning when we were booking the trip 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:27.760 to England that Patrick and I took earlier this spring, 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:32.480 because I didn't even think about it. It is close 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:35.079 to ubiquitous where we live. But also at this point, 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.360 I've made some trips to Europe and I know that 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.720 a lot of parts of it air conditioning is not ubiquitous. 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:45.839 But also generally in earlier years the temperature was more 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.320 likely to be milder, and so we were going to 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:51.560 England at a time when like the average temperature is 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:55.080 more like in the high seventies, and so if we 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:56.920 hadn't had air conditioning, it wouldn't have been that big 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:59.480 of a deal. And instead we got there during the 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:04.880 hottest May in a century, where when I realized, you know, 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:06.760 a couple of days out that that was what was 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:10.880 going to happen. I was like, oh no, and looked 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:14.120 and discovered that, Okay, the hotel that we are staying 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.480 in during the worst of this says all the rooms 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:20.640 our air conditioning air conditioned, and they were and the 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:24.320 air conditioning was very good, so we did not have 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:31.240 heat exhaustion in our hotel rooms. Hooray, hooray. It was 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:34.520 kind of odd to go into a museum and have 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:40.280 that museum be uncomfortably hot because museum me nervous. Yeah, 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:44.320 me too. Well, British Museum, well, we could think about 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:47.320 the British Museum for another reason, to have questions about 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.240 the British Museum. It got hot in a lot of it. 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.000 So yeah, it was very strange when Patrick was like, oh, 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.360 we'll just go to museums today, and I was like, honey, 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:00.040 some of these museums have no air conditioning, just so 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.640 you're aware before we go over there. We still had 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:05.680 a very lovely trip though, even though it was so 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:18.200 incredibly hot. We talked about Samuel Plimsel this week. We did, 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:21.680 we did. It was a good, delightful man. One of 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:24.520 the things that charmed me to pieces while I was 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:29.480 reading his book. Aha was the preface which I'm going 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:36.240 to read a small excerpt from because it just encapsulates 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.320 who he was. I think he right excited quote. I 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.200 have no idea of writing a book. I don't know 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.559 how to do it, and fear I could not succeed 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:48.319 if I tried. The idea, therefore, is very formidable to me. 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:52.160 I will suppose myself to be writing to an individual 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:54.120 and to be saying all I could think of to 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.600 induce him to lend his utmost aid in remedying the 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:00.840 great evil which we all deplore, and I will write 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.160 so far as I can, just as I would speak 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.840 to him if he were now sitting by my side. 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.320 But so sweet, I understand why people who were like, 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:11.600 what are you doing here in the United States were 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.680 then like, we love you, Samuel Plipsel. That's some good advice. 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.680 It is. It reminds me a little bit of many 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:22.560 many years ago. I was on the first Jonathan Colton 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:27.200 cruise that was ever done, and a lot of the 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:30.160 performers were people that I had been fans of for 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.600 many years, who I was going to have the opportunity 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:37.840 to actually have conversations with beyond just like having a 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:40.600 signature done at a book signing or a fan table 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:44.160 or something like that. And so I dealt with this 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:49.080 by just pretending that I was also famous, and that 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:52.920 really helped me to get over my jitters and just 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:57.280 have regular conversations with people. And I think that's a 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.360 little similar. I think I do the reverse of that. 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.040 Oh yeah, I just am like, this is a human 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:06.160 who needs to do human things. Uh, they have to 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:09.000 eat and use the ladies or men's room or whatever 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.000 room they wish. Huh. They have to do all the 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:14.920 same stuff as me. It's very you know, they put 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:16.880 their pants on when leg it ish. Yeah. I feel 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.400 like that's two sides of the same coin, because it's 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:21.800 two different ways of saying we're the same and I 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:25.560 can talk to you. Does that make sense? Yes, mine 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.880 is a little I don't know. I feel like mine 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:33.920 might be a little more or less. I don't know. 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:36.680 I just strip them of their fame and I'm like, 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.520 you're you're just a dude who happens to know about 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:40.920 a thing I need to talk to you about. This 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:44.840 was also like fifteen years ago or something, and who 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:48.080 knows what I would how I would approach things in 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.920 a similar situation today. You know what also, really, I 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:52.960 mean I already felt this way, but there was an 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:59.080 instance that really cemented that, which was leading up to 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:04.640 the twenty twenty election. I hosted a podcast that we 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:08.200 did it I heart called Why I'm Voting Oh Yeah, 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:10.680 and I got to interview a lot of very famous 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:14.480 people about like what brings them to the polls. And 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:18.040 this was of course going on during the pandemic. Yeah, 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:21.040 so it was all online and I would literally see 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:25.840 people just like join in from like sometimes their bathrooms, 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.480 like they were like this is this the room with 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.000 the best sound like sin I'm sitting or also in 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.200 their closet like me, and it's just like, you know, 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:35.800 at the end of the day, we all equalize. Sure, 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:40.560 we all equalize. Yeah, it's a very fun show to do. 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:42.680 There were a lot of great conversations and people that 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:47.760 were very surprising in how frank and kind and lovely 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:49.920 they were. I had a great a lot of great 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:53.840 conversations on that show. Super super fun. But yeah, I 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:55.680 think the idea of like if you're writing and you're 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.000 scared to write, but you need to just write like 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:01.280 you're writing, like you're talking to some Yeah, that will 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:03.920 be your truest voice as a writer anyway in most 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:08.800 cases perfect. I feel like that's that sort of similar 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:12.480 advice in public speaking. Like I remember when I was 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:16.240 in school, people were like, imagine the audience in their underwear, 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:17.600 and I was like, that's not going to help me 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:22.919 at all. But focusing on a person and thinking of 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.760 it as I'm talking to this person, not I'm talking 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:30.080 to a whole auditorium full of people, could really help. Yeah. Again, 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:31.960 I do it a little. I think of it differently. 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:36.720 There's a thing moons ago, I did a TEDx that 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:41.000 was largely about like being truthful about your life so 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:44.280 that future historians will have an easier time understanding what 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:48.080 was going on, okay in our current day. Yeah, and 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:50.840 you know, I talked a lot about like social media 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:54.640 and whatnot and likened it actually to Louise the sixteenth 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:56.760 and Marie Intoinette, which I will always try to bring 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.760 up in every conversation. But one of the things that 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:03.080 I started really thinking about, and it's something that's guided 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:06.520 a lot of this show for both of us, is 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:09.399 like you've heard me do my soapbox about history is 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:14.119 not just things that happen in seats of government or 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:18.040 on thrones. It's about every single, everyday person. And so 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:20.199 for me kind of the way around, it is not 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.520 so much picturing that I'm talking to one person in 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:27.200 a public speaking situation. It's remembering that we are all 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:30.359 sharing one unique moment that will never be replicated, and 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:33.000 that kind of makes it just like, yeah, it's like 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.440 we are making our own moment of history together right 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.840 here today. You're a part of it as much as me, 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:43.679 and we can all, you know, have our little jamboree moment. Yeah. 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:47.560 So I just love it's important. And I feel like 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:51.919 when I I recently at a convention, was talking to 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:55.320 a little girl because she was talking about how she 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.120 didn't like history. We were talking about Star Wars things 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:00.239 and it came to history and I was like, oh 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.760 my darling, there is so much amazing history for you. 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.919 You just need to find there. Literally, someone exactly like 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:09.959 you has been in history from day one, and like you, 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:12.719 if you find their stories, history comes alive. And her 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:16.439 mom looked at me, like what, how really, And I 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:18.920 was like, yeah, yeah, like this is I never thought 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:21.439 about it that way, and I'm like you should, Lovely, 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:24.560 That's that's what makes people connect to history because they 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:39.199 remember that they're part of it. Anyway, Samuel plimsel I 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:42.399 got genuinely choked up reading obituaries of him, like I 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:45.040 had to stop because it was like everyone was so 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:49.280 abulliant about what like a pure soul he was and 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:52.520 how incredibly kind he was to everyone he met. And 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:57.720 you know, while he would be very aggressive and frank 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:02.439 about people doing bad things, he himself wouldn't even like, 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:08.080 really be that unless you're a toll booth person, right, 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.800 causes him trouble. One of the things that he said 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:14.280 about that man that cracked me up. This is, to him, 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:17.159 the worst insult he could come up with. She was 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:23.879 not a gentleman. Yeah, I just found that hilarious. I 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:27.440 love that whole story. What a little rabble rouser, Yeah, 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:31.000 in a very sweet package. I still have the same 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:33.240 problem I talked about on a previous behind the Scenes 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:35.680 where A Million Miles Away plays in my head over 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:38.720 and over. Oh yeah, listen, if anybody's looking for a 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:43.080 good you know eighties eighties bop about disassociation, that's the 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:48.920 song for you. It's great. I love it, and I 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:52.080 quite enjoyed learning about Samuel pimsel I will say there 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:54.160 was a thing that happened. You know, we talked about 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:58.600 the two different colliery disasters that he raised money for 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:03.439 the survivors and the remaining families afterwards. I initially was 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:08.960 having so much trouble with that because some biographies will 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:12.840 only mention one or the other of them, and as 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:15.760 a consequence, I think things that have drawn from those 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:20.520 and been written later will sometimes conflate the two. Wow, 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:23.560 and so it would be like this disaster that happened 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:25.600 in this place and this year, and I would be like, 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:28.560 there's no such on record that I can find what 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:30.320 is going on. And it took me a minute to 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:35.040 be like, there are two separate events that each happened 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:39.239 in somewhat similar ways and that he provided support for, 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:42.119 but like it seems like those in some cases people 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:46.320 only remember, like he raised money for survivors of a 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:49.600 mining disaster, and it becomes one that was a little 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:54.000 tricky to suss out, but we did it. Yeah, you know, 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:57.760 may we all be such kind creatures as him and 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:03.240 so willing to I mean, the things that he kind 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:06.840 of put himself in the line of fire legally into 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:10.320 with that whole shipping situation, because he was like, you 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:12.600 guys are corrupt. You are making money off of this. 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:16.560 How dare you try to vote down or quash bills 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:19.840 that will reform this industry. Listen, we have not solved 0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:23.359 that problem at all of like people in government being corrupt. 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:29.000 So I appreciate his incredible resilience. And you know, his wife, 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:32.119 Eliza was very much in that fight with him and 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:36.159 would also like do her own efforts in those bigger 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:39.400 fundraising efforts. She was out there talking to people about 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:44.560 the need for reform in labor and particularly in maritime labor. 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:48.800 Just what a yeah, what a good egg. Yeah, thanks 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:51.560 Samuel Plimsel. Thanks for trying to get people to look 0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:54.040 at history in a more nuanced way as well. When 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:56.400 I first read that, I was like, it is this dicey? 0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:59.560 Is it doesn't seem to have been Yeah, because he 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:03.000 really was like, look, we know you had every right 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:05.919 to leave and want to have your own country. We 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:11.720 get that. Let's be cool now though. Yeah. Well, and 0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:15.720 I think not so much about the relationship between the 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:18.800 US and the UK, but there's plenty of other stuff 0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:21.679 going on in the world that has some kind of 0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:26.040 you know, historical precedent that's or historical contexts. That's super 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:29.639 super relevant that people will want to boil down to 0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:32.880 this is good, this is bad. These people were good, 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:37.520