1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class A production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson 3 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: and I'm Holly Frye. We talked about some historical heat 4 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: waves or historic heat waves, both words work. I think 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: in this case, yes, literal years I've been like heat waves, 6 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: something heat wave talk about on the show. Another thing 7 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: I have wanted to talk about the show, which is 8 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: tangentially related, is the development of lifeguards life guarding life 9 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: saving services because of all the drownings that happen, oh yeah, 10 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: in the summer, and that came up briefly in the episode, 11 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: and we talked about how many people have drowned in 12 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: the heat waves that have taken place in Europe. That 13 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: happens other places too. Obviously. One of the things that 14 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: has made me think that I want to do an 15 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: episode at some point about life guarding those kinds of 16 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: life saving rescue operations is a few years ago we 17 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: had a particularly bad season of drownings in Massachusetts where 18 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: just a very tragic number of people who again we're 19 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: all just trying to get cool and play in the water, drowned. 20 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: And I have not found great resources to be able 21 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: to pull that together. Maybe it will happen someday, maybe 22 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: not for our upbeat drowning episode. Well it would be 23 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: upbeat because we would be talking about how we save 24 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: people from rom drowning. This episode of heat waves the 25 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: big bummer episode because the world's just getting hotter. Yeah, 26 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: and while France is legally bound to achieve carbon neutrality, 27 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: we are living under an administration that's canceling green energy 28 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: projects and yeah, I hate it. Yeah, it's not a 29 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: good feeling. I will say. Just to talk about the weather, Okay, 30 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: as you know, as people know, I love hot weather. 31 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: I like heat, and I know this one is freaky humidity. Yeah, 32 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: this is the first year that I can think of. 33 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: And some of this might just be that I'm getting older, 34 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: but where I've been like uh oh yeah too hot. 35 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: I have actually had two like kind of dehydration oh 36 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: heat strokey events this year when I was in Florida 37 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: both times, and like both times it was a matter 38 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: of like, get some electrolytes in me, plenty of water 39 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,679 Speaker 1: and I bounce right back. But and I talked about 40 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: it with my doctor and she's like, ye, anythink that's 41 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: just heat strokey dehydration that has never happened to me before. 42 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: I mean it did when I was a kid, when 43 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: I was a little more delicate, but not in a 44 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: long time. And that's like for me, my own personal 45 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 1: like experiential data. I'm like going, yeah, hotter than it's 46 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: ever been. I can tell even when I mowed the lawn, 47 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,119 Speaker 1: which I have to do now in like twenty five 48 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: to thirty minute increments, because it's so freaker. Yeah yeah, 49 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: Like our yard is bigish, it takes a couple hours 50 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: to mow the whole thing, and so like, over the 51 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: course of four days, I slowly get the lawn mode 52 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: because it's just even I am like, wow, it's stupid 53 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: if I stay out here any longer. Yeah. Yeah, our 54 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: yard is not big. Our yard is very small. It 55 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,399 Speaker 1: can be done in very much less than one battery 56 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: of our battery operated rechargeable mower. Oh no, we have 57 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,839 Speaker 1: three batteries, and I will buzz through all of them 58 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: and keep going. Yeah, come back the next day. I 59 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: one of I thought of a lot of things while 60 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: working on this one. We said at the top, how 61 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: it seems like heat is taken less seriously than some 62 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: of the other Yeah forms of weather. And one of 63 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: the things I talked about are thought about was back 64 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: when I was a teenager, I was in a Drummond 65 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: Bugle corps and we rehearsed outside in the hot and 66 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: the sun for hours, and I remember a couple of 67 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: situations where we would be like pushing toward a competition, 68 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: they would call for a water break. An instructor would say, 69 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: color guard, come over here, I want to go over 70 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: those last you know, sixteen measures again, and then we 71 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't get any water. Oh no, and right. And there 72 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: was at least one time that somebody who was in 73 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: the color guard with me wound up having to get 74 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: like medical attention like her. I don't know what specifically. 75 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: There are multiple heat related things that can happen, and 76 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: I don't know which specifically it was, but she just 77 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: sort of shut down and got on the ground and 78 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: wrapped her flag around her and went to the hospital. 79 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: And I am hopeful that drum cores are better about 80 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: that now. Surely it's one of the sources of mixed 81 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: feelings that I have about my time in drum corps. 82 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean again, this often comes up, and 83 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: I don't mean to like be you know, kind of 84 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: like just throwing out the path thing. But like, yah, 85 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: our childhoods were dangerous, Yeah, they were, Like there just 86 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: wasn't as much and I don't mean to be like 87 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: marken Ard, but there was not as much information about 88 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: things like this, and I think one also, there was 89 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 1: less danger. I mean, I feel like we hit that 90 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: moment in the early two thousands where things started happening 91 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: where like very fit athletes were having issues like high school, 92 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: like I remember vaguely, and I feel bad because I'm 93 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: not going to remember the details of like a foot 94 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: like a high school football player that died because he 95 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: got dehydrated during practice or something. Yeah, and forgive me 96 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: if I'm not conjuring the right thing. But there was 97 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: an event like that, and I think that was a 98 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: moment where a lot of people were like, oh, kind 99 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: of a wake up call. We should really start thinking 100 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: more seriously about how, you know, these activities are managed 101 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: in terms of like just pure outdoor in the sun 102 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: heat safety, which is great and should always be the case. Yeah. Also, 103 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: some of us, me are really bad about drinking enough water. 104 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: And I'm getting better about it because I got scared 105 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: straight after those two little dehydration events. But it is 106 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: hard sometimes. I don't love water. I've said it many times, 107 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: but I like passing out even less so. But I 108 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: do think, you know, we all need to. I mean, 109 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: this is my PSA to everybody. Please make sure you 110 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: are getting enough fluids, enough electrolytes enough, you know, not 111 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: in the sun time. I worry all the time now 112 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: when I see this summer, as I said, it's been 113 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: particularly rough. When I see like the people that like 114 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: it's their job to work on lawns and stuff. Yeah, 115 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: I feel like I've become like a one woman watchdog 116 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: group where I just carry water in my car in 117 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: case I see anybody that looks like they haven't a problem. Yeah. Yeah, 118 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: even if they don't need it, if they just want 119 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: to pocket it, great. Yeah. I just want everybody to 120 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: be okay, there's no reason to pass out because you're 121 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: mowing a lawn. Yeah. Also, I can't speak for other countries. 122 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: I can only speak for the United States. Advocate for 123 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: laws to protect the people who work outside. Yes, like 124 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: agricultural workers who literally feed us. They are providing the 125 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: food for us to eat, and a lot of places 126 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: have virtually no protections related to the dangers of being 127 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: out in the heat all day. Yeah. I made reference 128 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: in this episode to the discourse. There has been a 129 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: lot of air conditioning discourse which I found very frustrating. 130 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: I found some of it funny. But yeah, I will 131 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: tell you what I found funny recently. It might be 132 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: the same thing you're getting to do you want to 133 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: go first, I don't know. Do we want it on Delight? 134 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: Listen on funny one? So yes, I'll say my thing first, 135 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: because I was more frustrated. I felt like a lot 136 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: of people were kind of talking past each other, and 137 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: a lot of people in the United States were making 138 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: things sound easy that aren't. Yeah, So like I saw 139 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: a lot of people saying, oh, they're complaining that they 140 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: can't just like their windows aren't the right shape to 141 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: put in a window air conditioner. You can put in 142 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: duck list air conditioning systems and old buildings. We do 143 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: it over here all the time. And it's like true, true, 144 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: we do put in duckless air conditioning systems. I put 145 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: a duckless air conditioning system into the house that we 146 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: bought in twenty nineteen, and let me tell you that 147 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: cost thirty thousand dollars yeah. Yeah, so like, yeah, we 148 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: can do this, but a lot of people cannot afford 149 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars and and a lot of parts of 150 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: Europe it is more than that because of shortages of 151 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: the actual look equipment and stricter standards about things like 152 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: the energy efficiency of the systems, the historic protections on 153 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: the buildings, all of that kind of stuff. So yeah, 154 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: I found the discourse frustrating rather than funny. But I 155 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: want to hear what was funny to you, because that 156 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: does sound like a good way to end the episode. 157 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: I have two funny things, okay. One is just a 158 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: funny conversation between a friend and I, and two is 159 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: specifically about air conditioning. One is that I had been, 160 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: as I've been talking about on the show, I'm trying 161 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: to figure out when I can playin a trip to 162 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: London to see the bayou Ch Tapestry. Oh yeah, and I 163 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: was talking to one of my friends about it and 164 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: he's like, you might not want to come now it's 165 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: really hot, and like, again, I'm not playing one upsmanship. 166 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: But it was just funny because he was not taking 167 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: into account like what people are accustomed to, and he's 168 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: like he's getting in like the eighties, and I was like, oh, 169 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: my darling, to me, it is the real feel is 170 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,719 Speaker 1: one hundred and twelve at my house right now. And 171 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: he's like, oh, you'll be fine. Yeah, I'm just more 172 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: I'm used to it. The eighties will feel great to me, 173 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: which is why I want to travel. Here's the funny 174 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:10,119 Speaker 1: thing the World Cup. Okay, watching a lot of international 175 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: visitors come to the US, one of the things that 176 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: has delighted me is seeing how one a lot of 177 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: their preconceived notions about what the US is like got 178 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: kind of broken down, you know, like seeing them really 179 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: realize that the US actually does love football slash soccer, 180 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: you know that it's not like I know, there was 181 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: concern about being hosted in the US and discovering like, no, 182 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: there's plenty of passion for it here. But also seeing 183 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: them discover foods here, like the ranch dressing thing has 184 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: been great. But I saw so many people on social 185 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: media being like, how am I going to go home 186 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: to a place with that air conditioning after living Yeah, 187 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: after being in hotels that are like blasting sixty degree 188 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: air and it feeling like such a respitouseide right, it 189 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: doesn't solve the problems that you were discussing. But it 190 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: has been just that's funny, Like I feel like people 191 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: did not realize how much of a difference air conditioning 192 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,719 Speaker 1: can make. Right you are having a very very hot day, 193 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: if you've been out in the stands or celebrating or 194 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 1: doing whatever you're doing, to then go back to a 195 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: room that's like arctic blast. Yeah, I did not even 196 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: think about air conditioning when we were booking the trip 197 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: to England that Patrick and I took earlier this spring, 198 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: because I didn't even think about it. It is close 199 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: to ubiquitous where we live. But also at this point, 200 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: I've made some trips to Europe and I know that 201 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: a lot of parts of it air conditioning is not ubiquitous. 202 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 1: But also generally in earlier years the temperature was more 203 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: likely to be milder, and so we were going to 204 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: England at a time when like the average temperature is 205 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: more like in the high seventies, and so if we 206 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: hadn't had air conditioning, it wouldn't have been that big 207 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: of a deal. And instead we got there during the 208 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: hottest May in a century, where when I realized, you know, 209 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: a couple of days out that that was what was 210 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: going to happen. I was like, oh no, and looked 211 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: and discovered that, Okay, the hotel that we are staying 212 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: in during the worst of this says all the rooms 213 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: our air conditioning air conditioned, and they were and the 214 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: air conditioning was very good, so we did not have 215 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: heat exhaustion in our hotel rooms. Hooray, hooray. It was 216 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: kind of odd to go into a museum and have 217 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: that museum be uncomfortably hot because museum me nervous. Yeah, 218 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: me too. Well, British Museum, well, we could think about 219 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: the British Museum for another reason, to have questions about 220 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: the British Museum. It got hot in a lot of it. 221 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, it was very strange when Patrick was like, oh, 222 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: we'll just go to museums today, and I was like, honey, 223 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 1: some of these museums have no air conditioning, just so 224 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: you're aware before we go over there. We still had 225 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: a very lovely trip though, even though it was so 226 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: incredibly hot. We talked about Samuel Plimsel this week. We did, 227 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: we did. It was a good, delightful man. One of 228 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: the things that charmed me to pieces while I was 229 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: reading his book. Aha was the preface which I'm going 230 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: to read a small excerpt from because it just encapsulates 231 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: who he was. I think he right excited quote. I 232 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: have no idea of writing a book. I don't know 233 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 1: how to do it, and fear I could not succeed 234 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: if I tried. The idea, therefore, is very formidable to me. 235 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: I will suppose myself to be writing to an individual 236 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: and to be saying all I could think of to 237 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: induce him to lend his utmost aid in remedying the 238 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: great evil which we all deplore, and I will write 239 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: so far as I can, just as I would speak 240 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: to him if he were now sitting by my side. 241 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: But so sweet, I understand why people who were like, 242 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: what are you doing here in the United States were 243 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: then like, we love you, Samuel Plipsel. That's some good advice. 244 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: It is. It reminds me a little bit of many 245 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: many years ago. I was on the first Jonathan Colton 246 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: cruise that was ever done, and a lot of the 247 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: performers were people that I had been fans of for 248 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: many years, who I was going to have the opportunity 249 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: to actually have conversations with beyond just like having a 250 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: signature done at a book signing or a fan table 251 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: or something like that. And so I dealt with this 252 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: by just pretending that I was also famous, and that 253 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: really helped me to get over my jitters and just 254 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: have regular conversations with people. And I think that's a 255 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: little similar. I think I do the reverse of that. 256 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I just am like, this is a human 257 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: who needs to do human things. Uh, they have to 258 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: eat and use the ladies or men's room or whatever 259 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: room they wish. Huh. They have to do all the 260 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: same stuff as me. It's very you know, they put 261 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: their pants on when leg it ish. Yeah. I feel 262 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: like that's two sides of the same coin, because it's 263 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: two different ways of saying we're the same and I 264 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: can talk to you. Does that make sense? Yes, mine 265 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: is a little I don't know. I feel like mine 266 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: might be a little more or less. I don't know. 267 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: I just strip them of their fame and I'm like, 268 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: you're you're just a dude who happens to know about 269 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: a thing I need to talk to you about. This 270 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: was also like fifteen years ago or something, and who 271 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: knows what I would how I would approach things in 272 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: a similar situation today. You know what also, really, I 273 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: mean I already felt this way, but there was an 274 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: instance that really cemented that, which was leading up to 275 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty election. I hosted a podcast that we 276 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: did it I heart called Why I'm Voting Oh Yeah, 277 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: and I got to interview a lot of very famous 278 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: people about like what brings them to the polls. And 279 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: this was of course going on during the pandemic. Yeah, 280 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: so it was all online and I would literally see 281 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: people just like join in from like sometimes their bathrooms, 282 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: like they were like this is this the room with 283 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: the best sound like sin I'm sitting or also in 284 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: their closet like me, and it's just like, you know, 285 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we all equalize. Sure, 286 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: we all equalize. Yeah, it's a very fun show to do. 287 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: There were a lot of great conversations and people that 288 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: were very surprising in how frank and kind and lovely 289 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: they were. I had a great a lot of great 290 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: conversations on that show. Super super fun. But yeah, I 291 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: think the idea of like if you're writing and you're 292 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: scared to write, but you need to just write like 293 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: you're writing, like you're talking to some Yeah, that will 294 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: be your truest voice as a writer anyway in most 295 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: cases perfect. I feel like that's that sort of similar 296 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: advice in public speaking. Like I remember when I was 297 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: in school, people were like, imagine the audience in their underwear, 298 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: and I was like, that's not going to help me 299 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: at all. But focusing on a person and thinking of 300 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: it as I'm talking to this person, not I'm talking 301 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: to a whole auditorium full of people, could really help. Yeah. Again, 302 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: I do it a little. I think of it differently. 303 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: There's a thing moons ago, I did a TEDx that 304 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: was largely about like being truthful about your life so 305 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: that future historians will have an easier time understanding what 306 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: was going on, okay in our current day. Yeah, and 307 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: you know, I talked a lot about like social media 308 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: and whatnot and likened it actually to Louise the sixteenth 309 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: and Marie Intoinette, which I will always try to bring 310 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: up in every conversation. But one of the things that 311 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: I started really thinking about, and it's something that's guided 312 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: a lot of this show for both of us, is 313 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: like you've heard me do my soapbox about history is 314 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: not just things that happen in seats of government or 315 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: on thrones. It's about every single, everyday person. And so 316 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,199 Speaker 1: for me kind of the way around, it is not 317 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: so much picturing that I'm talking to one person in 318 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: a public speaking situation. It's remembering that we are all 319 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: sharing one unique moment that will never be replicated, and 320 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: that kind of makes it just like, yeah, it's like 321 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: we are making our own moment of history together right 322 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: here today. You're a part of it as much as me, 323 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: and we can all, you know, have our little jamboree moment. Yeah. 324 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: So I just love it's important. And I feel like 325 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: when I I recently at a convention, was talking to 326 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: a little girl because she was talking about how she 327 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: didn't like history. We were talking about Star Wars things 328 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,239 Speaker 1: and it came to history and I was like, oh 329 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: my darling, there is so much amazing history for you. 330 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: You just need to find there. Literally, someone exactly like 331 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,959 Speaker 1: you has been in history from day one, and like you, 332 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,719 Speaker 1: if you find their stories, history comes alive. And her 333 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: mom looked at me, like what, how really, And I 334 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, yeah, like this is I never thought 335 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: about it that way, and I'm like you should, Lovely, 336 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: That's that's what makes people connect to history because they 337 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: remember that they're part of it. Anyway, Samuel plimsel I 338 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: got genuinely choked up reading obituaries of him, like I 339 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: had to stop because it was like everyone was so 340 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: abulliant about what like a pure soul he was and 341 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: how incredibly kind he was to everyone he met. And 342 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: you know, while he would be very aggressive and frank 343 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: about people doing bad things, he himself wouldn't even like, 344 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: really be that unless you're a toll booth person, right, 345 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: causes him trouble. One of the things that he said 346 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: about that man that cracked me up. This is, to him, 347 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: the worst insult he could come up with. She was 348 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: not a gentleman. Yeah, I just found that hilarious. I 349 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: love that whole story. What a little rabble rouser, Yeah, 350 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: in a very sweet package. I still have the same 351 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: problem I talked about on a previous behind the Scenes 352 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: where A Million Miles Away plays in my head over 353 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: and over. Oh yeah, listen, if anybody's looking for a 354 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: good you know eighties eighties bop about disassociation, that's the 355 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: song for you. It's great. I love it, and I 356 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: quite enjoyed learning about Samuel pimsel I will say there 357 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: was a thing that happened. You know, we talked about 358 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: the two different colliery disasters that he raised money for 359 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 1: the survivors and the remaining families afterwards. I initially was 360 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: having so much trouble with that because some biographies will 361 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: only mention one or the other of them, and as 362 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: a consequence, I think things that have drawn from those 363 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: and been written later will sometimes conflate the two. Wow, 364 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: and so it would be like this disaster that happened 365 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: in this place and this year, and I would be like, 366 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: there's no such on record that I can find what 367 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: is going on. And it took me a minute to 368 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: be like, there are two separate events that each happened 369 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,239 Speaker 1: in somewhat similar ways and that he provided support for, 370 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: but like it seems like those in some cases people 371 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: only remember, like he raised money for survivors of a 372 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: mining disaster, and it becomes one that was a little 373 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: tricky to suss out, but we did it. Yeah, you know, 374 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: may we all be such kind creatures as him and 375 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: so willing to I mean, the things that he kind 376 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: of put himself in the line of fire legally into 377 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: with that whole shipping situation, because he was like, you 378 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: guys are corrupt. You are making money off of this. 379 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: How dare you try to vote down or quash bills 380 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: that will reform this industry. Listen, we have not solved 381 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: that problem at all of like people in government being corrupt. 382 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: So I appreciate his incredible resilience. And you know, his wife, 383 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: Eliza was very much in that fight with him and 384 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: would also like do her own efforts in those bigger 385 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: fundraising efforts. She was out there talking to people about 386 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: the need for reform in labor and particularly in maritime labor. 387 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: Just what a yeah, what a good egg. Yeah, thanks 388 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: Samuel Plimsel. Thanks for trying to get people to look 389 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: at history in a more nuanced way as well. When 390 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: I first read that, I was like, it is this dicey? 391 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: Is it doesn't seem to have been Yeah, because he 392 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: really was like, look, we know you had every right 393 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: to leave and want to have your own country. We 394 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: get that. Let's be cool now though. Yeah. Well, and 395 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: I think not so much about the relationship between the 396 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: US and the UK, but there's plenty of other stuff 397 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: going on in the world that has some kind of 398 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: you know, historical precedent that's or historical contexts. That's super 399 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: super relevant that people will want to boil down to 400 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 1: this is good, this is bad. These people were good, 401 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: these people were evil, and be outraged if anybody tries 402 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: to be one hair more nuanced than that, And it's like, no, really, 403 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: we're still talking about actual human beings operating from a 404 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: variety of motives. Yeah, yeah, I mean I feel like 405 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: that's a lesson we still learn all the time on 406 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: the show, right, I mean I still have moments of 407 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 1: revelation in that regard. We talked about it on a 408 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: reason behind the scenes where we were talking about the 409 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: you know, the golden age of piracy and really realizing 410 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: how tied that was to political machinations and the ways 411 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 1: that you know, the decisions of people in seats of 412 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,959 Speaker 1: government kind of funneled into that problem of piracy at 413 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: the time. It all connects. Everything has its own you know, 414 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: context and nuance, and if you're not looking at all 415 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: of that, you're missing so much of the story. I mean, 416 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: this is the whole premise of our ship. But in 417 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: any case, in any case, if this is your weekend 418 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: coming up, I hope you do good works unless you're exhausted, 419 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: in which case sometimes the good works is hanging out 420 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: on your couch with a cup of coffee and a cat. 421 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: It's correact. That is also important because it makes you 422 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: able to go out into the world a better and 423 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: more resilient person. If you don't have time off, I 424 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: hope you still get some time sitting on your badonk 425 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: If that's your thing, it's certainly mine doing something it 426 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: brings you joy or peace or some combo of the two. 427 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: And I hope that everyone is kind and that everyone 428 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: carries the spirit of Samuel Plimsel out into the world. 429 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: Ay ay, we just want to take care of each other. 430 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 1: I think he's a great inspiration and an icon of 431 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 1: kindness that we can all get behind. 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