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Speaker 2: Cracker, sir, we will sue you the corner.

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Speaker 3: Welcome the hang out.

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Speaker 1: I cannot believe the liver King was on steroids.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait that came out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that came out officially, the liver King was on steroids.

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Speaker 3: So I never know.

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Speaker 4: I never know what you're gonna start this ship off with. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's not very shocking. So you're telling me the raw

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Speaker 4: meat doesn't instantly make you vany and jacked.

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Speaker 1: No, I think raw meat would probably kill you. Although

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Speaker 1: didn't get the hype that liver King did because liver

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Speaker 1: King was jacked. And we know it's because he was

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Speaker 1: juicing his mind off, by the way, just baseball joke.

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Speaker 3: So he can't go to the Cooperstown now he's fucked.

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Speaker 1: No, the Veterans Committee might put him in. We'll see.

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Speaker 1: Apparently there's a non zero chance that Barry and Clemens

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Speaker 1: that shakes out. Jack Arum, Peter and Arham did the

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Speaker 1: Mariners yesterday. Today we do the Chicago Cubs and this

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Speaker 1: is part of like Cubs Week that we're having here

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Speaker 1: at Just Baseball. On the call Up, we broke down

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Speaker 1: the Cubs top ten prospects. You updated him as an

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Speaker 1: end of season top ten. We also have conversations with

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Speaker 1: top five, the number five Cubs prospect Matt Murvis, and

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Speaker 1: then you got to see where Pete crow Armstrong is.

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Speaker 1: But the conversation with Pete crow Armstrong is coming out

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Speaker 1: on Friday, and that, my friends, is called a tease

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Speaker 1: to go look at the article.

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Speaker 4: Oh hell yeah, we learned about that in journo school, right.

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Speaker 4: That's what tuition gets you, a nice little tease. Thank

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Speaker 4: you for the teas. Really excited to talk to Pete.

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Speaker 4: Guys we feel you have to say all three names

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Speaker 4: I say Pete, and I'm like, I need I still

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Speaker 4: had a great conversation with Matt Mrvis. That episode is

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Speaker 4: out as you're listening to this. On the call up, Mervis,

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Speaker 4: we've talked about a lot on the podcast. Friend of

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Speaker 4: Just Baseball was rocking his JB shirt in the episode,

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Speaker 3: Picked those up.

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Speaker 4: By the way, today's the last day to get that discount,

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Speaker 4: that twenty percent discount that we had rolling from Black

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Speaker 3: Great way to support Just Baseball.

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Speaker 4: But Mervis, you know he's going to factor into this

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Speaker 4: to break camp. That's his goal, that's his expectation. He

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Speaker 4: wants to break camp with the Cubs. The Cubs have

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Speaker 4: some decisions to make. We're gonna break that all down

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Speaker 4: here and we're gonna play a little GM. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: keep an eye out for the peek. Row Armstrong Interview,

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Speaker 4: Top twenty five prospect in Baseball. I think one of

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Speaker 1: Can we agree that if Matt Murviis doesn't break camp

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Speaker 1: with the Cubs, we riot.

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Speaker 4: you should absolutely be on the opening day roster. This

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Speaker 3: And that's kind of what we did.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't make sense to pay that much money when you've

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Speaker 4: So the Cubs have been kind of a head scratcher

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Speaker 4: But they want to spend Jack. Are they spending just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I brought that up when we were talking

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Speaker 1: They made sure to go get foolproof guys like how

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Speaker 1: You're not competing for a playoff spot. You know you

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Speaker 3: Did you guys say your piece.

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Speaker 1: On the the Clevenger thing and the abray you thing?

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Speaker 3: We talked about a bray you. We didn't even mention Clevenger.

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Speaker 1: Okay, good, like Clevenger real quick? One year, twelve million

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Speaker 1: Do you want from Mike Clevenger? Now you needed a five? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'd joking about jan We were joking about Jordan Wiles.

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Speaker 4: the Orioles declined Jordan. The Orioles declined Jordan Lyle's eleven

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Speaker 1: expect Walker Buler to be the third success story. Yes,

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Speaker 4: We've heard them basically tied and by We've heard that's

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Speaker 1: Dude, I'll pound the pavement that I think Xander's the

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Speaker 1: And we're trying something new visually. If you're joining us

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Speaker 4: Yes, says Zuki and right lock yes? Ian happened left? Yeah, guaranteed.

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Speaker 4: I fully expect them to do something. You know, I

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Speaker 4: You're a little bit more plugged in with like Chicago Talk.

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Speaker 4: But why why is Wilson Contreras not being paid whatever

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Speaker 1: So how valuable do you think Wilson Contreras is That's

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Speaker 3: And they never trade.

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Speaker 4: I love the Miles Master Bonnie addition that was swoop

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Speaker 1: I want to get him a catcher. Okay, free agent wise,

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Speaker 3: But anyways, this year.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, one hundred and twenty three games,

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Speaker 1: If he can capture that, I'm very happy. He's also

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Speaker 3: And he knows the division, you know.

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Speaker 3: From the system if I'm the Cubs, unless it's one.

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Speaker 3: You know, what do the Blue Jays want? Is the question?

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Speaker 1: So my thought is master Bon and McKinstry are pretty

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 1: You're getting his age twenty eight and twenty nine seasons,

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Speaker 1: Canario can't help him now because the ankle thing. How

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Speaker 1: Do McKinstry And no, you can't do mckinstrey and Wicks.

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Speaker 1: That's too much.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll circle back to him after we hit the

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Speaker 3: I like corner it short.

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Speaker 1: every now and again, Madrigal is going to be on

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Speaker 4: Here's the thing with Nick Madrigal, Dude, he's got to

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Speaker 1: of these four shortstops.

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Speaker 4: I do, and I get it from the perspective of

439
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Speaker 4: just like, what is the ceiling of Nico Horner?

440
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Speaker 3: Right?

441
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Speaker 4: And they want to add a star player to get

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Speaker 4: excited about. And I've maintained that shortstop is a I

443
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Speaker 4: think a power position. Now, you know the way we

444
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Speaker 4: look at third base, and that's always been a you know,

445
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 4: you talk about corner mashers quote unquote right now, it's

446
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Speaker 4: not as important for a shortstop because if you're a

447
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Speaker 4: great defender, you can still you know, prove your value,

448
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Speaker 4: as we have seen with Aniko Horner. But why are

449
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Speaker 4: the Cubs not satisfied with Horner? Because I think they

450
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Speaker 4: want a little bit more offense from that position, especially

451
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Speaker 4: when they don't have a third base Masher and first

452
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Speaker 4: base is.

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Speaker 3: As much as I love Matt Nervis.

454
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Speaker 4: And believe in him, at the end of the day,

455
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Speaker 4: he is unproven and they don't have anybody else.

456
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Speaker 3: So I think they look at the free agent market.

457
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Speaker 3: There's no third basement.

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Speaker 4: Really available, you know that, I think they'd be excited

459
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Speaker 4: to sign. I don't think they plan on spending huge

460
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Speaker 4: at first base. So I think if they're looking at

461
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Speaker 4: how do we upgrade our offense, both corners are accounted for.

462
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Speaker 4: Shortstop might be the only way that they can really

463
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Speaker 4: make a huge upgrade. And I think that's the big

464
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Speaker 4: reason why and the one reason why I can be okay.

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Speaker 3: With moving Horner.

466
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Speaker 4: He's gonna if you move Horner to second, he's gonna

467
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Speaker 4: be arguably one of the best second basement in baseball.

468
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Speaker 4: There used to be every that Tommy Edmund is but better?

469
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Speaker 3: Is that not crazy? Is that crazy to say?

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Speaker 1: Uh? I think, do you like Edmund or Horner better? Offensively?

471
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Speaker 1: I think I like Edmund better offensively.

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Speaker 3: You'd be surprised that, like, how not that great? Tommy

473
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Speaker 3: Edmund's numbers were last year.

474
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Speaker 4: Horner two eighty one three twenty seven four to ten

475
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Speaker 4: slash line, ten homers, twenty bags, eleven percent. That ops,

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Speaker 4: that is a seven thirty six.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Edmund was a seven to twenty five ops thirty

478
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Speaker 1: one doubles, thirteen homers thirty two for thirty five in

479
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Speaker 1: the stolen based apartment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how old is Edmund?

481
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Speaker 1: Edmund is twenty seven.

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Speaker 3: Nico Horner is twenty five.

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Speaker 4: So point being Tommy, Yeah, point, we don't need to

484
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Speaker 4: We don't need to get to the bottom of who's better.

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Speaker 3: Like, the point is that that's one of the best

486
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Speaker 3: second basement in baseball, and Horner could.

487
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Speaker 4: Be exactly that. Yeah, we're very close to it or better. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I say better, but which short step.

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Speaker 3: I think Karre is a phenomenal fit. I don't know

490
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Speaker 3: what it is. I like the idea of.

491
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Speaker 4: Him kind of leading the charge of this of this

492
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Speaker 4: next wave of this youth movement, kind of taking over

493
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Speaker 4: the Cubs. I look at Korea and I see a leader,

494
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Speaker 4: you know, look at what he's done with the Twins,

495
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Speaker 4: and I think it's a very similar type of situation

496
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Speaker 4: in Minnesota and a responsibility that he had there, right

497
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Speaker 4: they brought him in in a similar spot. I think,

498
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Speaker 4: you look at what Korea does defensively what he can

499
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Speaker 4: do with the bad You know, I just I look

500
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Speaker 4: at a Trey Turner I love I love him as

501
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Speaker 4: an option too, But I don't know. Just something seems

502
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Speaker 4: right about Korea. I don't know if I can totally

503
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Speaker 4: put it into words. Usually I'm overly analytical and and

504
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Speaker 4: have a reason to why it makes sense. But it's

505
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Speaker 4: really hard to say one shortstops a better fit than

506
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Speaker 4: an when they're all superstars.

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, No, something seems really right about Carlos Korea.

508
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Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think if I had to pick two,

509
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Speaker 1: it's Korea and Dansby, And if I was a Cubs fan,

510
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: I would much rather have Carlos Carea than Dansby Swanson. Obviously,

511
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: the financial commitment is going to be more, but in

512
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Speaker 1: terms of total payroll in twenty twenty three, it's ninety

513
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Speaker 1: two point four million dollars and twenty two of that

514
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: is stuck in the Jason Hayward quagmire. Heyward's gonna get

515
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Speaker 1: five after twenty twenty three. He's gonna get five million

516
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 1: dollars from the Cubs, and it'll go against their payroll

517
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Speaker 1: in twenty four, twenty five, twenty six, and twenty seven,

518
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Speaker 1: but twenty two is the big one that just hammers

519
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: the shit out of you. But still, you know, you

520
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: take Hayward out of that, you got seventy two committed

521
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: to guys that are going to be on the field

522
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: for you. You've got ninety two committed total right now.

523
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Speaker 1: Ninety two as it stands right now is fifteenth in baseball.

524
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Speaker 1: It's three million dollars above league average. And you about

525
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty million dollars away from the luxury tax,

526
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: So you can double what you have on the books

527
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: right now. Granted, arbitration hearings have not happened yet, and

528
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: you can still be very clear of the luxury tax.

529
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Speaker 1: And if you go over the tax with twenty two

530
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Speaker 1: in dead money this year, I'm sure there are like

531
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Speaker 1: some Gold Coaster will met people that will pay it

532
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Speaker 1: for the Cubs themselves or the Ricketts don't want to

533
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Speaker 1: say it, promise you they all went to New Trier.

534
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 1: I know you know some New Trier folk, But those

535
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: are the types of people that would pay that Cubs

536
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Speaker 1: luxury tax money for them. But they've got ample, ample

537
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Speaker 1: money to spend. I really don't think a three hundred

538
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Speaker 1: million dollar deal handcuffs them, and I think that Korea

539
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: is the right fit here. I do think that ownership,

540
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Speaker 1: and I do think Jeded and Carter Hawkins know that

541
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Speaker 1: a three hundred million dollar deal does not handcuff them.

542
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 4: No, I don't think it does at all, and I

543
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Speaker 4: kind of expec I kind of expect it too. I

544
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 4: think you're right, because that really does get team looking

545
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 4: a lot different, you know, And I am warming up

546
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Speaker 4: to the idea of moving Horner if if you're going,

547
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Speaker 4: if that's gonna be your big splash, right, I just

548
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 4: hope they do something else too, because I still think

549
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 4: you need one more bat. So which shortstop are we

550
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 4: going with here? Because I think there's a few different

551
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 4: guys you can look at. I think there's a few

552
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Speaker 4: different options.

553
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 3: Obviously.

554
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Speaker 4: I think for Xander it's hard to justify if he's

555
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 4: not willing to play third, because I don't want a

556
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Speaker 4: guy that's going to be.

557
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Speaker 3: Less of a defender.

558
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Speaker 4: I don't want to move the supreme, the superior defender

559
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Speaker 4: off of short No.

560
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Speaker 1: If you're not sacrificing shortstop defense.

561
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Speaker 3: So that's why, And.

562
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Speaker 4: Even Tray Turner is an inferior defender at short to

563
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Speaker 4: Nico Horner. So for me, that's why I'm all in

564
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Speaker 4: on Koreas as the option for them.

565
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Speaker 1: At short it's Korea or Dansby. But let's pencil in Korea.

566
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Speaker 4: Yeah, because I I think I think Horner can get

567
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 4: to Danceby's value honestly in a couple of years.

568
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Speaker 3: I really do.

569
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so as well. Man. All right, so

570
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: we we filled out the middle endfield here, we're looking

571
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: for what corner outfield or DH corner outfield's good for. Yeah,

572
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: so we're looking for a first base DH and that's it.

573
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 3: And we're center.

574
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 4: Fielder though, so are we not getting a centerfielder here? Like,

575
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 4: are we in on Morell who was a disaster.

576
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 3: In the second half or what that's worth.

577
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 4: I like Morell as a prospect, don't get me wrong,

578
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 4: but he was a disaster in the second half.

579
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Speaker 1: So if I'm getting a center fielder, I want a

580
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Speaker 1: cheap centerfielder. I want a short term center fielder. With

581
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Speaker 1: how much centerfield talent you have coming up with Brennan Davis,

582
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: with Pete korm Strong. Yeah, to stop an al contra,

583
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: you need a stop gap. Cody Bellinger is the perfect

584
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: stop gap.

585
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 3: It's so perfect.

586
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: It's so perfect. But here's the thing. The other perfect

587
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: one is Fort Wayne native and I think Cubs fan

588
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: in his childhood. Kevin Kiermyer.

589
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 3: Okay, so.

590
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 4: Money money is irrelevant, I think, and when you're picking

591
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 4: these two guys, because again I don't think the money's cheap,

592
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 4: Like they're both maxed to sheep well and we seems

593
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 4: like Bellinger really wants to one. And that's what you know,

594
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 4: that's what his agent, Scott Boris is pushing for.

595
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 3: So what do you what do you think here?

596
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 4: Because on one side of it, I'm looking at the

597
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 4: Cubs and I'm like, go for it, all right, Like

598
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 4: we don't know what this team is gonna look like

599
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 4: next year, and if Bellinger has something click like all

600
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 4: of a sudden, assuming that we have the shortstop here too,

601
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 4: like they actually do that, that could be a team

602
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 4: that sneaks into the playoffs. Right with Kevin Kiermeier, it's

603
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 4: kind of just I'd almost rather just see what Morell

604
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:46,719
Speaker 4: could do out there.

605
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 3: At that point. I love Myer's defense.

606
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 4: I love him as a leader and a vet in

607
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 4: the game, but I have to justify it through some

608
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 4: sort of pipe dream that that my center Fielder can

609
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 4: into a star or or you know, reclaim what he

610
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 4: once was. Whereas kier Meyer, you're praying for a seven

611
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 4: hundred ops and that the defense continues to be as

612
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 4: good as it was, you know, in his prime and

613
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 4: over the.

614
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Speaker 3: Last few years.

615
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 4: I swing for the fences on Bellinger, and if he struggles,

616
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 4: you got Morell. Right, If he struggles, you've got hopefully

617
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 4: a Brennan Davis who proved that he's all the way

618
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 4: back and healthy. If he doesn't struggle, you still have

619
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 4: Morell to hit lefties. You still have you know, a

620
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 4: little bit more of an opportunity to move guys around,

621
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Speaker 4: which is what I kind of like.

622
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 3: Right.

623
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 4: Morell could play some third I know they don't love

624
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 4: him there, but who cares. Figure it out, get him

625
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 4: some reps at third. You can split time with Wisdom

626
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 4: and see how Wisdom does. And then if Bellinger's doing

627
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 4: all right, you protect him from left eas and and

628
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 4: have Morell kind of be that guy there, So that

629
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 4: that could be an option.

630
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Speaker 3: I think Bellinger is the best option.

631
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Speaker 1: I think he is too.

632
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 4: I think they triginally what hurts my case is that

633
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 4: Morell reverse splits last year.

634
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: But it's it's it's a rookie year.

635
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Speaker 1: And if Bellinger plays, he's playing every day, Like you're

636
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: signing Cody Bellinger to be an everyday centerfield or he's

637
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: at least you're gonna pay him like an everyday centerfield.

638
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,959
Speaker 3: So do do you move Morell to third? Or is that?

639
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: Like Morell's got some versatility, He's got a canon of

640
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: an arm and.

641
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 3: Christopher Morell kind of part of the problem.

642
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 4: Like everything is ninety eight with run from third, it's

643
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 4: hard for first basement.

644
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: So Christopher Morrell last year fifty seven games in center,

645
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: thirty three games at second, eighteen games at third, thirteen

646
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: games at short. So he can play everywhere. Untility guy,

647
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm in there. We go so Bellinger, and now let's

648
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: trade one of the other tility guys for Danny Jansen.

649
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: You in yes, So I think you got to bite

650
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: the bullet. The Blue Jays are going to say, no,

651
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: we want to win now. We want a piece that's

652
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: going to help us win now, along with McKinstry. So

653
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: let's give him McKinstry. And I do think you got

654
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: to bite the bullet and give him Ben Brown. Yeah,

655
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: mckinstrey and Ben Brown, so a guy that can slot

656
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: into their bullpen immediately or they start him in triple A.

657
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: And here he is as a starter with a chance

658
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: to be a starter like he is, I guess he's

659
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: like kind of what you want Nate Pearson to still be.

660
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which by the way, he looked pretty good

661
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 3: in them and then in the Winter League, so there's

662
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 3: a little help there.

663
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: Still Pearson is good. But Ben Brown, like, even if

664
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: he's not a starter, if you decide that you don't

665
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: need a starter, turn him into a setup guy because

666
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: he's a six six right handed arm that can give

667
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: you one hundred out of the bullpen. So mckins and

668
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: Ben Broke for Danny Jansen, I think gets it done.

669
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 3: And and and you know, there is a realistic belief

670
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 3: that you could be by the way Ben Brown number

671
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: ten on our Cub's Top ten that just came out,

672
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 3: you could be selling high on Ben Brown a little

673
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 3: bit because he was, you know, a non prospect going

674
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 3: into this year, exploded traded for David Robertson. Continue to

675
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 3: pitch well. But if he can't, you know, continue to

676
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 3: develop as a starter, that momentum will kind of plateau.

677
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 4: And he's a very solid relief oriented pitching prospect, right,

678
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 4: I still think that there's hope that he can be

679
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 4: a starter, and because.

680
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: Of that hope, you have some value. Here is a

681
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 3: big dude, big power pitcher.

682
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 4: I kind of like that if you got to throw

683
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 4: in a third piece, throwing a third piece of Blue

684
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 4: Jay's fans like that's not enough, I don't. I think

685
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 4: that is enough because Ben Brown is a very high

686
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 4: quality arm. Cubs just went out and drafted Kate Horton,

687
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 4: who's very similar to Ben Brown in terms of just

688
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 4: power pitcher with two plus pitches already, but way more.

689
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: Upside than Brown, I think with the arsenal.

690
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 4: And they also went out and got Jackson Ferris with

691
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 4: the next pick too, So they've just added a bunch

692
00:32:58,560 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 4: of pitchers.

693
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 3: We talked about the depth that they've built.

694
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 4: They got Ben Brown literally within the last eight months

695
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 4: for a rental reliever. If that's something you can pull

696
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 4: off and parlay that into you know, your catcher, I

697
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 4: think it's no brainer.

698
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 3: I think we just did it throwing Nick magical too.

699
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: All that's left is first base, DH. You said you

700
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: had a guy in mind. Who's the guy in mind?

701
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 4: So I'm a big believer in not clogging the dhrol right, So, like,

702
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 4: I don't want to sign a guy that is limited

703
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 4: to DH And yeah, a little first base helps a

704
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 4: little bit, but even then I want a guy that

705
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 4: can kind of move all over a little bit. And

706
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 4: I think Brandon Drury is a perfect fit for the

707
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 4: Chicago Cubs because if you want him playing first, he

708
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:46,719
Speaker 4: can do that.

709
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 3: If you want Mervis playing first.

710
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 4: And you want to give somebody else a day off,

711
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 4: Jury can go play somewhere else. You can play corner outfield,

712
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 4: he can play second, he can play third, he can

713
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 4: play whatever you want. So the DH I feel like,

714
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 4: has become kind of this opportunity for guys to get

715
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 4: days off all around and allows you to mix and

716
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 4: match a bit more. And I think Brendan Drury with

717
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 4: Morell in this lineup just allows them to mix and

718
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 4: match a lot more.

719
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 3: And I think this team could could.

720
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 4: Kind of have pretty unique lineups and be able to

721
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 4: get guys moving around. I would love Drury and let's

722
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 4: say morel struggles, then maybe Drury ends up playing more third.

723
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know, are we are we kind

724
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 4: of moving wisdom out of the picture here.

725
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: I hope so I mean the dude is why he's

726
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: like a forty K rate guy.

727
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, I'm I'm not huge on wisdom.

728
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 4: So I mean, let's say wisdom is kind of out

729
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 4: of the picture. Morell struggles a bit. Drury is a

730
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 4: guy that you can move to third while nervous rakes,

731
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 4: and then you've got plenty of other internal DH options too,

732
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 4: right Like Velasquez could could end up dhing some games.

733
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 4: You could call up Canario and he could DH some games.

734
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 4: They could DH Saya Suzuki some games and then put

735
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 4: somebody else in corner out. That's an option, But I

736
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 4: don't know what else are you thinking.

737
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: I love Drewry now that you threw it out. There

738
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: were two other guys that kind of jumped out to

739
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: me in that regard. One was, I pad it? Where

740
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: was it?

741
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 3: So?

742
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 1: Profar like? Kind of crossed my mind, but not really.

743
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: Will Myers was the other one that crossed my mind.

744
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 3: He kind of stinks, I know, but that.

745
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: Means he'll be cheap, and obviously he got the bag,

746
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: so everybody knows there's some talent there.

747
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 3: What do you think?

748
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: So the other one that really piqued my interest was Brantley, Brandy.

749
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the one I let Brandley clog, cog my

750
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 4: DH spot up.

751
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 3: That's the one guy that can clog the DH spot.

752
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: You've got loud tools everywhere. Like having a Michael Brantley

753
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: is pretty fun.

754
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 4: Man, having a Michael Brantley to to talk to Christopher Morel,

755
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 4: Matt Mervis, say as Suzuki like to talk to the

756
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 4: Nico Horner, you know, to just help these guys as

757
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 4: a leader. As one of the best pure hitters I

758
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 4: think of the last decade plus, Yeah.

759
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 3: Brandley is somebody that think is a fit for every

760
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 3: single team.

761
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

762
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 4: So if we're gonna clog up, we're gonna say, oh yeah,

763
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 4: I like it. If we're gonna clog the d H spot,

764
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 4: the only guy I'm willing to do it.

765
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 3: With is is a Michael Brantley.

766
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 4: And it is worth noting outside of Matt Mrvis, they

767
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 4: don't really have any projected starters that are left handed bats.

768
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 4: Revis is not starting at first base, it's not happening.

769
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 4: Mrvos is really the only left handed bat in the

770
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 4: switch hitting and hap right.

771
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: Yeah at Suzuki isn't say I lefty righty? Say as

772
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: Al righty, what are you talking about? Ship my bed?

773
00:36:51,160 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: Sorry cuts Peet, Yeah, damn idiotcy. Yeah, they're very, very

774
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: right handed. But that's kind of why I like Brandley.

775
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I like Drewy though way more.

776
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: You like Drewy better than Brandley.

777
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: And if we're adding Bellinger, I feel better.

778
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 3: Oh true. Yeah, we we added a left t in Bellinger.

779
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: So let's run through the lineup that we have right now.

780
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: Can you pull up roster resource again for me? Yep? Yeah,

781
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: we're on street yard right now. So what we've got

782
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: at this very mobion is Danny Jansen catching at first.

783
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: Let's put Murvus at second. We'll have Nico Horner at short.

784
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: We'll have Carlos Correa at third, We'll have Brandon Drewery

785
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: with Patrick Wisdom dhing and the outfield from left to

786
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: right would be Ian Happ, Cody Bellinger, Sea Suzuki. I'm

787
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: buying a ticket to opening day if that's the lineup.

788
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 4: Yep, I agree, And again, like I know, that's not

789
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 4: the sexiest DH in the world, but you can rotate

790
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 4: a lot of different options, and also you can you

791
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 4: can go trade for a pretty easily during the season.

792
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 3: If the team's playing well.

793
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 4: But I like the idea of rotating it because Wisdom,

794
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 4: like Wisdom's had flashes, I'd like it. I wouldn't want

795
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 4: to just cut ties with him. I want to see

796
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 4: what he can do early in the year. And that's

797
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:08,959
Speaker 4: a perfect time to do it, because if he doesn't

798
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 4: work out, you're already built to be able to accommodate that,

799
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 4: right Like, you're already okay.

800
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: And he doesn't have to worry about playing defense. So

801
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: maybe he strikes out less.

802
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 3: We'll see, Yeah, maybe maybe Now.

803
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 4: I think I think that's I think that's a good

804
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 4: freaking offense right there. And again, Drury allows you to

805
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 4: to kind of move around a little bit, and I

806
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 4: love that idea because I want morvs playing first.

807
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 3: I think he's capable.

808
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 4: He's a capable defender at first, but again, just being

809
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 4: able to rotate is very valuable in today's game.

810
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: Cool all right, pitching, They've got a lot of guys

811
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: like they have a bunch of fours. Marcus Stroman and

812
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: Kyle Hendrix are locks to be in that rotation.

813
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 3: Locks.

814
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: Hayden Whiznski is a lock to be in that rotation.

815
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: I agree, he was so good he healed the audition.

816
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: So the other ones that jump out to me justin

817
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: steel should very well get another opportunity to be a

818
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: starter for them. Uh. Adrian Sampson Fangrafts currently has as

819
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: the fifth starter. I like Caleb Killian a little bit

820
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: more as a fifth starter than Samson. Javier Assad another

821
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: guy that had a really good idea.

822
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I liked what I saw from a Sad. I

823
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 4: think steals a lock too.

824
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 3: Okay, we got out of five spots here, all.

825
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: Right, So so we're looking for the fifth and you've

826
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: got Sampson, Killian and Assad fighting for it right now. Yeah,

827
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: they they would benefit from getting another starting pitcher. Like

828
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: in the free agent market. I'm sure they will pick

829
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: up the phone and call. I don't think it's the

830
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: end of the world if they don't do anything.

831
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 4: I don't I think they're going to try to see

832
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 4: you know, a low cost you know, back into the

833
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 4: rotation edition. I don't see them trading from their prospect

834
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 4: surplus or from their you know, from their system to

835
00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 4: add another starter unless it's you know, a control, big

836
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 4: league proven guy that they feel like it's gonna be

837
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 4: a big part of what they're building. Here, which you know,

838
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 4: I just don't see. But there's a chance of Kyle

839
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 4: Hendricks is like, I know he's a drive line. Isn't

840
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 4: that what he what he's doing right now or what

841
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 4: he was doing?

842
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: Like this, Hendricks is gonna sit ninety six next year

843
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: if he's a driver.

844
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 4: I was gonna say the opposite, like what if what

845
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 4: if he's just a disaster and has nothing left? Yeah,

846
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 4: so like you gotta have or what if Justin Seal

847
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 4: takes a step back? What if was Nesky isn't I

848
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 4: don't know you can play that game with any team,

849
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 4: but I think there's there's enough questions here outside of

850
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,959
Speaker 4: Marcus Stroman where you gotta have another another.

851
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: Vet arm in the fold. And I think you can

852
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 3: get that via free agency too.

853
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 4: I do like you could go sign a Ross Stripling

854
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 4: and I think that's that's fine, right, Or a.

855
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 1: Reunion with Kintana. Hell yeah, But here's the thing. If

856
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: Kintana is gonna I don't think Kntana is gonna get

857
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: something similar to Bassett, but I mean Chris Bassett, Like,

858
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm not giving Chris bass that money, especially if I'm

859
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: the Cups, because you don't need to that's they also

860
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: just spent a bag. So yeah, so I'm not too

861
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: worried about it. I think there might be some guys

862
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: at the back half of our top fifty, which is

863
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: it's just baseball dot Com. Uh like, Hey, give Zach

864
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: Efflin an audition if you want to sign he need

865
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 1: to a one year deal, feel free to go ahead

866
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: and do that.

867
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 4: He's gonna be the guy this year that we we

868
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 4: pimp out to every team because he's a great fit

869
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 4: for this team too big, upsign, nasty, but and probably

870
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 4: could get on a one year deal.

871
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, I feel like we're gonna pimp him out

872
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 3: to every team.

873
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: Man, Okay, ty, I guess like there's just nobody that

874
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: really excites me in free agency right now, and with

875
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: how much starting pitching you have coming through, I honestly

876
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: don't think you need to touch it. So Stroman Hendricks, Steele, Wesnewsky,

877
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: Killian slash Sampson slash Asad and I think that's the

878
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: opening day five and you roll with.

879
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 3: That, man, I won't.

880
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: Like, I just want one insurance policy that Wade Miley

881
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: is he Is he out there like Taiwan Walker?

882
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: Yeah?

883
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: I guess, but Walker might be kind of expensive.

884
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 3: Really, maybe is everyone expensive?

885
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: I think everyone's expensive.

886
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 4: Like I don't I don't know what the Cubs like,

887
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 4: what they're because we're loosely basing this on on you

888
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 4: know what they you know, what these teams are kind

889
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 4: of saying and what they want to do, and you know,

890
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 4: we're not gonna be like mocking decisions like you know,

891
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 4: or like simulating decisions that are unrealistic based on what

892
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 4: you know the reports are from from those teams.

893
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 3: I haven't seen much on the pitching side, right.

894
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 4: We've heard so much about what they want to do

895
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 4: on the offensive side, but I feel like we haven't

896
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 4: heard much on the pitching side, and I think it

897
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 4: might because.

898
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 3: They don't know.

899
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 4: But the thing is there's a chance Marcus Struman has

900
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 4: a good year and ops out. So if that happens,

901
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 4: now you really got to hit free agency the next year,

902
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 4: even though they're gonna have guys coming up.

903
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 3: But again, you need to prove an harm.

904
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 4: With Kyle hendricks on his way out, how many more

905
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 4: years does he have on his contracts?

906
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 3: Is the last year coming up?

907
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: I think this is the last year coming up.

908
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 4: Like, I think they've got to have one guy locked

909
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 4: up for a couple of years, because right now nobody

910
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 4: nobody's locked up, right You got the youngsters with control,

911
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 4: but Strumman could opt out. So I want to sign

912
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:27,959
Speaker 4: one one vet I do.

913
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: I think you crossed that bridge when you get there.

914
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: And I tell you what, man, I found a name

915
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: that intrigues the shit out of me here, Michael Lorenzen.

916
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: I loved watching Lorenzo this year. I know he was

917
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: like a low four Zra guy in eighteen starts, but Lorenzo,

918
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: there was absolutely something there with Michael Lorenza. I did

919
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: not hate it one bit. I think that this is

920
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: a guy that is not gonna command crazy money. He

921
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: didn't command crazy money from the Angels when he signed

922
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: with Anaheim. I think this would be a very fun.

923
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: Hey you're the five, let's see if you can actually

924
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: pitch like a three or not. He wants to hit, though,

925
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: Does he want to do both? No?

926
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 3: I don't know. Do you remember when he said that

927
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 3: last year?

928
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said he wanted to hit, and then he

929
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: didn't hit, So I'm good it.

930
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 3: Didn't hit at all. He must have just been like

931
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 3: seething watching Otani.

932
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: I can do that too.

933
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 4: I like that I'm in because if they stink next

934
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 4: year for whatever reason, then you just trade him, right, Like, yeah,

935
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 4: that's a good Bilo flip.

936
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 3: I'm in, all right, you got I just I needed one.

937
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 1: Guy flip Lorenzo one year with an option or something

938
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, perfect, give me, give me Lorenzo on

939
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: a one plus one club option. I'm totally here for that.

940
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: The bullpen is is actually kind of fun as of

941
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: right now? Who do you have in the fold? Adbert

942
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: al Zalai also could be the five hold on, hold

943
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: on Elsli could very well be the five. He's coming

944
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: on off a year long injury. I love what al

945
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: Zelai does.

946
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 3: He's pretty nasty.

947
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 4: I still think you should have a vet arm like

948
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 4: Lorenzen in the fold because okay, let's say Alzola emerges.

949
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 3: It's cool.

950
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 4: You just put Lorenzen in the in the bullpen or

951
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 4: he's a swing man. Guys get hurt all the time. Like,

952
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 4: I still think they need an AFT arm.

953
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 3: But I mean, al Zali was was.

954
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 4: Pretty damn good in twenty twenty one, and as you mentioned,

955
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 4: was hurt you know, pretty much all of last year.

956
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 4: That's another iron in the fire. I agree, that's another

957
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 4: guy that could be a dude for them.

958
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: Okay, so right now, the current bullpen as it stands

959
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: is Brandon hughes Manny Rodriguez, Mark Ladder Junior now Rowan

960
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: Wick who's owed about one point six million, Kegan Thompson

961
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: who absolutely should be a part, Michael Rucker, and Eric Ellman.

962
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: Cody Hoyer is another pre ARB guy. He missed the

963
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: entirety of this year, came back in a kimberl deal. Hoyer,

964
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: I think so he was a TJ guy. I think

965
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: he'll probably miss the front half of this year, but

966
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: he'll be back mid season. Uh. Another one that jumps

967
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: out is Jeremiah Estrada. Estrada made his debut in twenty

968
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: twenty two, and Estrada, if I'm not mistaken, it was

969
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: pretty decent. So I do think like there are some

970
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: things that could go on here. Five and two thirds innings,

971
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: eight punchouts, three walks for Estrata in twenty twenty two,

972
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: and then it's coming off of a year where he

973
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: had thirty four appearances in the minor leagues and had

974
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: a one three era. Estrada was, you know, that is

975
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: the kind of guy that it's like he had a

976
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: great minor league season. Give him a chance in the bigs.

977
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: He was fine. I think Estrada should get another chance.

978
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 4: So do you think they need to add like again, I.

979
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 3: Just want to I just want to vet. I think

980
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 3: just one. Yeah, like it's the biggest vet, Mark Leider Junior.

981
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: No, I mean, I have no idea Rowing Wick. I

982
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: guess he's thirty.

983
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 3: Uh nasty, but like shit like that.

984
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: You look at this list of vets that don't excite

985
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: you one bit, and they're all former Cubs Michael former

986
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: or not, former Andrew Chafin, Chris Martin, I mean, they're

987
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: all former Cubs. Man David Robertson.

988
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 3: They could fast track Valencia.

989
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, within one hundred and three mile an hour fastball.

990
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 4: That sounds great, Like it's to I think they have

991
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 4: to sign uh, you know again and again, like with

992
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 4: how well they've been doing on these one for one

993
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 4: or like these these flip trades where you know they're

994
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 4: they're kind of taking somebody in the ten to fifteen

995
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 4: range of another team's top ten and uh and buying

996
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 4: well and just identifying guys really well. I think they

997
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 4: should be picking up a couple free agents that they

998
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 4: plan on maybe flipping most of their best swing and

999
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 4: miss strikeout stuff. Guys that I think are going to

1000
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 4: be a part of their bullpen are lower level guys

1001
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 4: like who we mentioned. You know, they've got guys like

1002
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 4: Luke Little, dj Hurs, Bailey Horn, all guys that I

1003
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 4: think are going to be relievers and good ones. But

1004
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 4: you know, Polentcy of course as well, but just not

1005
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 4: for a little while. I would like to see them

1006
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 4: pick up a guy or two.

1007
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 3: Do you do you.

1008
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 4: Go for the I don't think you go big market

1009
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 4: right like, or you don't go blue chip reliever.

1010
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 3: In this instance, they've already spent some money.

1011
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 4: There's no reason to do that when you don't quite

1012
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 4: know how good you're going to be next year.

1013
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 3: But what what about a can I interest you in?

1014
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 3: Would be cany It would be fucked up if they

1015
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 3: brought David Robertson back, tampering Tommy Cainley.

1016
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, like Tommy. I think every team has interested in

1017
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 4: Tommy Kinley.

1018
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 3: I saw her law.

1019
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: Bring bring Carl back.

1020
00:48:58,320 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 3: Cainley, give me Kinley?

1021
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: Okay about more? How about Tson on a minor league

1022
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: deal but super incentivized if he gets up to the bigs.

1023
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 4: We're getting way too deep into this, like this is

1024
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 4: no one's listening for that.

1025
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 3: Incentivized contract.

1026
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: To a minor league free agent deal and see what

1027
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: he becomes.

1028
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 4: Okay, cool, well we'll add that in there, Like are

1029
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 4: you getting it? It's like Michael Folmer.

1030
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: I just I like Canley.

1031
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 3: I like that.

1032
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: I just don't think you need to spend the way

1033
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: that Michael Folmer is gonna.

1034
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 4: Make Canley Lynn University grad and Boca Ratone perfect.

1035
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1036
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: Florida man, Florida man. Okay, there we go.

1037
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 3: Bullpen set now, yeah, bullpen set. Now.

1038
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: It's like it's a seed to c minus bullpen. It

1039
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: is a set rotation, but it's a seed to see

1040
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: plus rotation.

1041
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 3: Numbers right now.

1042
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 4: Like they don't have a dude, I like wig, but

1043
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 4: like shit, yeah, but I mean I don't think the

1044
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 4: Cubs are trying to win the World Series this year,

1045
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 4: so you just don't invest in the bullpen. I guess

1046
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 4: you wait, I guess, I guess.

1047
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think bullpen is top of

1048
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: their priority list. I think the top of the priority

1049
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: list should be bats and putting out a lineup graphic

1050
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: that they're proud.

1051
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 4: Of and I might have been developing arms recently here

1052
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 4: at least like with with some of the guys that

1053
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 4: have been emerging stuff wise.

1054
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: And there are enough guys like Poalencia could very well

1055
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: make his major league debut in June.

1056
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 3: If they wanted to fast track him.

1057
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if they don't trade for Danny Jansen, Ben

1058
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: Brown could be a set up guy by May.

1059
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 4: If they wanted to, which I don't that one. I

1060
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 4: don't think they'll do. Yeah, Polancy, I think yes, all right,

1061
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 4: Tommy Kinley.

1062
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: It is Tommy Kinley. It is okay, So I don't

1063
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: I don't get really in thused about the rotation or

1064
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: the bullpen. I do like where the rotation's at, especially

1065
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: with Wis and Horton and Hers and everybody else on

1066
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:10,959
Speaker 1: the way.

1067
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 4: It's competitive, but still you open, there's nobody blocking anyone. Yeah, yeah,

1068
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 4: And you're not going to give a mega deal to

1069
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 4: to somebody. It just doesn't make sense for them at

1070
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 4: this point, you know, for a Pitture, it just doesn't

1071
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 4: make sense.

1072
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: I waited for the fifty one minute mark to tell

1073
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: you exactly why I think Jacob de Gram is the

1074
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: perfect fit.

1075
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 3: For Yeah, yeah, why not, right, I think that's it.

1076
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 3: I think that's it.

1077
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: I'm really excited with the lineup that we built. So

1078
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: let's just run through that lineup one more time. Danny

1079
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: Jansen and Yan Gomes kind of sharing duties behind the

1080
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: plate at first. It's gonna be what Matt Mrvis.

1081
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 3: And Brendan.

1082
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: Correa at short, Brandon Drewi at third outfield. Left to

1083
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: right is Ian Happ, Cody Bellinger seyas Suzuki, and you've

1084
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: got Patrick Wisdom dhing. I feel really good about that, really.

1085
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 4: Good about that team. And again, like you have Morel

1086
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 4: as a super utility guy. Some days you'll have maybe

1087
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 4: Nervous is out of the lineup against the left even

1088
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Speaker 4: though he had left as well, and you start Drewy

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Speaker 4: at first and Morell at third, or some days Morell

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Speaker 4: plays cent.

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Speaker 3: Like you'll find a way to get.

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Speaker 4: Morell a lot of at bats, I think. So he'll

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Speaker 4: still get plenty of plenty.

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Speaker 1: Of ron Yeah, I'm in man.

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Speaker 3: How many how many games does that team win? Oh? Wait, rotation?

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Speaker 3: What's the rotation do we say that yet?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Rotation is Marcus Stroman, Kyle Hendrix, Justin Steele, Hayden

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Speaker 1: Wiznewsky and some combination of Adrian Sampson, Caleb Killian, Javier

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Speaker 1: asad Or who was the five that we signed, Michael Michael, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 4: Look at what Steele did last year, man, Yeah, three

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Speaker 4: one hundred nineteen innings, one hundred and twenty six punchies.

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Speaker 3: That guy's earned himself another look too next year.

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Speaker 4: So and and who knows where where some of the

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Speaker 4: other arms in their system will be. I mean, Wicks

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Speaker 4: could theoretically pitch his way to the big leagues by

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Speaker 4: the second half. You know, already has some some good

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Speaker 4: some good starts in double A under his belt. Could

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Speaker 4: be an option down the line as well. So I

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Speaker 4: think they're in a really really good spot overall. It's

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Speaker 4: not gonna happen in one year, but this makes them

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Speaker 4: better next year and then also has them set up

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Speaker 4: for big time success two years three years from now too,

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Speaker 4: which is I think what they're really in it for,

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Speaker 4: whether they'll admit it or not.

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Speaker 1: I'm in on this team, man.

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Speaker 4: On.

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Speaker 1: I'm in on what this team's direction is.

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Speaker 4: I'm very in on the direction. Even if people disagree

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Speaker 4: with the moves for whatever reason whatever, I hard to

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Speaker 4: disagree with Carls Korea. The overall direction of the franchise

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Speaker 4: is really good right now. And I think the way

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Speaker 4: that they did this, like subtle tear down to the

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Speaker 4: back walls while leaving the front, you know, like the

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Speaker 4: facade of the of the building up.

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Speaker 3: It's been great because.

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Speaker 4: That's the way you kind of have to rebuild for

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Speaker 4: the Cubs. I don't think the one hundred of Lost

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Speaker 4: seasons are going to do it anymore. They set the

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00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 4: bar too high in this modern era. Now after winning

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Speaker 4: the World Series and you know, being able to prove

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Speaker 4: that they can be a good franchise again, and I

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Speaker 4: think they're not doing the teardowns anymore. And the fact

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Speaker 4: that they've been able to kind of do this without

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Speaker 4: fully dismantling it. I know they weren't great last year,

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Speaker 4: but they didn't fully bludgeon the team. It's a sign

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Speaker 4: of a franchise that's doing things the right way. And

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Speaker 4: it shows you you don't have to hit the reset

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Speaker 4: button to get better and kind of reshuffle and get

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Speaker 4: to where you need to be.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to hit the reset button if you're

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Speaker 1: the Chicago Cubs. Yes, you do have to hit the

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Speaker 1: reset button if you are not one of the top

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Speaker 1: five markets and organizations in Major League Baseball. But a

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Speaker 1: team like the Yankees is never going to rebuild. A

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00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: team like the Red Sox is never going to rebuild,

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Speaker 1: a team like the Dodgers is never going to rebuild.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's the conversation the Cubs want to

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Speaker 1: find themselves in. Listen, this team has been on national

1150
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Speaker 1: TV for decades, decades, WGN was in every household. Now

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Speaker 1: these are the Cubs. This is arguably the second biggest

1152
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: fan base in all the Major League Baseball behind the Yankees.

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Speaker 1: So spend like it, and I think that they're ready

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Speaker 1: to spend like it.

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 4: So I'm excited about this team next year and I'm

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Speaker 4: excited about what they're building. And if you want to

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Speaker 4: hear more from the Cubs prospects, Matt Mrvis interview out

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Speaker 4: now on the Call Up Peko Armstrong.

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Speaker 3: On Friday, and that's it from me.

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Speaker 1: Let's see, we've got some good stuff going on in

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Speaker 1: in the Just Baseball Store. You can find the link

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Speaker 1: in the episode description. You can find the link on

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Speaker 1: my Twitter at jacket or squarre mcmahe and eleven. Have

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Speaker 1: you tweeted out the link in recent days, a couple

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Speaker 1: of days ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so.

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Speaker 1: At arm lateen eight that would be a good chance

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Speaker 1: to find the link as well. We did have a

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Speaker 1: good Black Friday promotion going on, but we got new

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Speaker 1: hoodies in stock that are apparently sick. So listen, get

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Speaker 1: your merch man, help support us, and Peter and I

1173
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Speaker 1: will be back to do about some good good tomorrow

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Speaker 1: and arms holding up this hoodie so good from us.

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Speaker 1: See you guys,