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Speaker 1: Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: And how the tech are you? It's time for the

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Speaker 1: tech News for Thursday, January nineteen, twenty twenty three. And

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Speaker 1: last year it seemed like the front half of every

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Speaker 1: tech news episode was dominated by Elon Musk's on again,

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Speaker 1: off again and then totally on again quest to buy Twitter.

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Speaker 1: But so far in the honor really goes to chat,

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Speaker 1: GPT and open Ai, which is the startup that's behind

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Speaker 1: the controversial chat pot so. First up today, Sam Altman,

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Speaker 1: the CEO of open Ai, gave an interview with Strictly

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Speaker 1: VC in which he addressed some rumors about the upcoming

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Speaker 1: next generation of the GPT language model a k a.

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Speaker 1: GPT four. We're currently on GPT three point five. Altman

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Speaker 1: warned that people are bound to be disappointed in the

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Speaker 1: new language model because the hype around it has grown

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Speaker 1: to a point that's just impossible to live up to.

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Speaker 1: And I think Altman in general has been pretty good

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Speaker 1: about acknowledging this kind of stuff. A lot of folks,

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Speaker 1: including myself, have pointed out how chat GPT falls short

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Speaker 1: in lots of ways, and I don't think Altman would disagree.

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Speaker 1: He has been pretty forthcoming about this sort of stuff,

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Speaker 1: and he's not making claims that chat GPT is flawless

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Speaker 1: or even skilled at every kind of writing. So I

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Speaker 1: guess it's unfair for folks like myself to say I

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Speaker 1: can't even write a shakespeareance on it, even even though

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Speaker 1: it can't. I mean, maybe if I kept at it,

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Speaker 1: maybe if I kept tweaking prompts, I could massaw chat

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Speaker 1: GPT to a point where it could produce an actual

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Speaker 1: Shakespearean style sonnet. But anyway, Altman wouldn't commit to win.

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Speaker 1: This next model will launch. He said it will launch

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Speaker 1: when it's ready, which I also think it is a

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Speaker 1: pretty responsible take, and he admitted that there were concerns

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Speaker 1: about how chat GPT might be used by students to

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Speaker 1: try and cheat on schoolwork. But he also pointed out

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Speaker 1: that when calculators became a thing, we just we didn't

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Speaker 1: just abandon teaching students how to do maths. Instead, we

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Speaker 1: took calculators kind of into account. While doing so, the

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Speaker 1: way we taught it started to change. That's a kind

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Speaker 1: of interesting take. Now, Honestly, I think chat GPT could

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Speaker 1: be useful for say, English teachers, to show how a

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Speaker 1: generated essay might fall short of actual real work done

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Speaker 1: be useful to explain to students the difference between real

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Speaker 1: critical thinking and surface level as servation. And this way

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't have to take an actual student's essay and

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Speaker 1: then embarrass that student in front of the rest of

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Speaker 1: the class and say, see, little Timmy over there totally

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Speaker 1: doesn't understand the role that false staff plays, and Henry

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Speaker 1: the fourth part two, just look at this terrible work.

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Speaker 1: Shame on you, little Timmy. Instead they could say, look,

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Speaker 1: here's this essay written by chat GPT. Here are the

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Speaker 1: places where the observations being made are pure surface level

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Speaker 1: and they don't really say anything. This is the sort

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Speaker 1: of stuff you need to avoid and think about when

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Speaker 1: you make your own work. And uh, I get that

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Speaker 1: I'm putting a lot on teachers there, and that they're

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Speaker 1: already overworked and undervalued, and that should change too, just

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Speaker 1: throwing that out there now. One thing about open AI

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Speaker 1: that has undeniably caused harm is the process by which

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Speaker 1: the company has tried to filter out objectionable material. So

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Speaker 1: in the past, even with g PT, we've seen examples

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Speaker 1: includes stuff that ranges from racism and sexism and hate

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Speaker 1: speech and calls for violence to description of truly horrific

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Speaker 1: acts that I can't even begin to describe on this show.

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Speaker 1: And obviously, any company making a chat bot wants to

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Speaker 1: if it's just because it's bad optics. Right, if the

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Speaker 1: reason is, oh, we don't want to do that because

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Speaker 1: to do it. Now, as you may know, chat GPT

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Speaker 1: generates responses to queries by referencing information from a massive

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Speaker 1: database of scanned material across the Internet, and there are

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Speaker 1: complex rules at play that guide chat GPTs responses, but

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Speaker 1: approach was to outsource this work of tagging offensive material,

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Speaker 1: flag any that violated Facebook's policies. Now, the way Sama

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Speaker 1: hands handles this is to employ people in Kenya to

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Speaker 1: the way, Sama was paid around twelve dollars fifty cents

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Speaker 1: sure there was plenty of overlap between these three. Employees

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Speaker 1: each day really took its toll. It was psychologically taxing,

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Speaker 1: by the work, and a few of them argued that SAMA,

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Speaker 1: despite what it claimed, was not providing adequate services for counseling.

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Speaker 1: And this whole story reminds us that behind the surface

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Speaker 1: of these AI programs, there's actually this huge human contribution

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Speaker 1: to make them work. Like, yes, it's remarkable that this

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Speaker 1: more complicated. Sama recently ended its contracts with open Ai

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Speaker 1: other words, I don't think Sama made this choice out

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Speaker 1: article in time it is article it is titled rather

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Speaker 1: open Ai used Kenyan workers on less than two dollars

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Speaker 1: per hour to make chat GPT less toxic. And for

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Speaker 1: our third story, about chat GPT. Let's talk about how

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Speaker 1: some cybersecurity researchers were able to get the chat bought

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Speaker 1: any malware, but polymorphic malware, meaning it can take many forms.

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Speaker 1: important research because if the good guys don't know about it,

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Speaker 1: a while. Yet. This week we heard Microsoft is laying

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Speaker 1: and on a related note, Amazon continues to cut costs,

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Speaker 1: this time by planning to sunset a charitable donation program

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Speaker 1: that has been in place since two thousand thirteen. It's

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Speaker 1: called Amazon Smile, and it would let customers designate a

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