1 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing. Following the Ravens twenty seven to 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: twenty two loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers in what was 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,119 Speaker 1: a battle for first place in the AFC North, the 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: Ravens are now a game behind their rivals. The Ravens 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: are at six and seven back to back losses, and 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: the Steelers are in sole possession of first place in 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: the AFC North. Frustrating tough game here at M and 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: T Banks Stadium against the Ravens rivals. 10 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: Garrett, Yeah, this is a tough loss for the Ravens 11 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 2: and for a team that has not played up to 12 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: the level that they expected to coming into the season. 13 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: This is one of the toughest pills to swallow because 14 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: the Ravens had climbed out of the hole that they 15 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: put themselves in earlier than early in the season, and 16 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: they had an opportunity here to take pole position in 17 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 2: the division with a month left to play, and now 18 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: they're looking up again at the Steelers who are in 19 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: first place. It's not like the season's loss at this point. 20 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: I don't want to overstated, but the Ravens margin already thin, 21 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: margin for air has become razor thin down the stretch. 22 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: And they know that with two games left within the 23 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 2: division next week against the Bengals and then week eighteen 24 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: against the Steelers, if the Ravens are gonna win this division, 25 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: those are obviously must win games. And to be on 26 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 2: the road on the road, and they already beat you 27 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,279 Speaker 2: both teams beach you at home, and to be honest, 28 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: you're basically hoping to find yourself in a situation where 29 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: it's a win and get in in Week eighteen against 30 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: the Steelers. 31 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,199 Speaker 1: That's correct. And for the Ravens that think the most 32 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: frustrating part of this boiled down to really three calls 33 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: that went against them that had a large bearing on 34 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: this game. And I'll preface this by saying, you know, 35 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,839 Speaker 1: the Ravens did not have a very good first half. 36 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: They put themselves in some holes, but they battle back 37 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: in the second half. We're on the cusp of winning 38 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: this game. And when you really look at it, three 39 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: calls that went against them were extremely frustrating, the biggest 40 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: of which, of course, the Isaiah likely touchdown catch that 41 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: was waved off after review. Isaiah likely clearly caught the ball, 42 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: had it in clear possession, took two steps, was very 43 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: close to his foot coming down on a third step 44 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: before Joey Porter Junior broke up the pass knocked it 45 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: out of his hands. A quick review process on that one, 46 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: and they overturned the call that was originally called a touchdown. 47 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: After the game, head coach John Harball said that referees 48 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: told him that he just didn't get a third football 49 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: a third foot down. That was the explanation given to him. 50 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:43,399 Speaker 1: The Ravens then failed to convert on fourth down, came 51 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 1: out of that empty handed, a turnover on downs, and 52 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: that pretty much decided the game. 53 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was obviously a game change. You play, you 54 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 2: think you have a go ahead touchdown, instead you don't, 55 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, a couple of plays later, 56 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: you're walking off the field with points. And just in 57 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 2: terms of the officiating component of that, Jeff Rebak from 58 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: the Athletic talk to the NFL Vice President of Instant 59 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: Replay Mark Butterworth for a pool report on that decision 60 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 2: to reverse the touchdown, and he said that the third 61 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: step is an act common to the game. Before he 62 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 2: could get the third foot down, the ball was ripped out. 63 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 2: Therefore it was an incomplete pass. And just to explain 64 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: the rules here a little bit. You have to get 65 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: two feet down. Everyone knows that. So you see that 66 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: likely play, you think two feet down in the end zone, 67 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: that's a catch. But the rule requires that you have 68 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: to catch the ball with both hands. Obviously you have 69 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 2: to or one hand, but you have to secure the ball. 70 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: You have to get two feet down in bounds or 71 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: another body part like a knee or an elbow. And 72 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: then the third element is that after those two things 73 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: have been fulfilled, the rules say that a player clearly 74 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: performs an act common to the game, like extending the 75 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: ball forward, taking an additional step talking about exactly taking 76 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: an additional step, talking the ball away, turning up field, 77 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: or having the ball long enough. 78 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: Or avoid or ward off an opponent. 79 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: Right or avoid a ward off an opponent, or maintain 80 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: control the ball long enough to do one of those 81 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: acts common to the game. So the officials rule that 82 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 2: he didn't have he didn't make that third step, He 83 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 2: didn't make that move common to the game, and that's 84 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 2: why it didn't count. 85 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: My argument is that he was extending the ball forward, 86 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: and I thought he extended the ball forward before both, 87 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: So the after A and B have been fulfilled is 88 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: the key component here. Isaiah likely caught the ball between 89 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: the numbers and then extended the ball away from Joey 90 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: Porter Junior. He continued to extend the ball away from him, 91 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: basically trying to box him out through the remainder of 92 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: the play. So to me, it's a judgment call of 93 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: was he warding off an opponent or extending the ball 94 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: after he got two feet down? My answer would be yes, 95 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: I think that that's a yes. Also, if you're watching 96 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: the game of football, this is what's frustrating is this 97 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: is just another instance of like what in the world 98 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: is a catch? Because if I'm playing backyard, if I'm 99 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:19,799 Speaker 1: playing football anywhere, that's a catch. My common sense watching 100 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: that play says that's a catch. Right now. You know, 101 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: the NFL on replay is saying, did he extend that 102 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: after the first two things are done by the letter 103 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: of the law. Maybe can make an argument otherwise, but 104 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: like I mean, goodness, gracious. 105 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 2: Well, just to be clear, like this wasn't a like 106 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 2: the official missed the call. This thing gets reviewed and 107 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 2: that's why it. 108 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: Was called a touchdown. On the field. 109 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: I know, right, but I'm saying that they gets reviewed. 110 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 2: It's not like, oh man, they just missed that one. 111 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 2: They didn't see it. The league goes through the process 112 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 2: of looking at the review of that play and then determines, no, 113 00:05:58,360 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 2: that's not a catch. 114 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: Would also surprise me is that when it's ruled a touchdown 115 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: on the field, you have to have really clear evidence 116 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: that it's outside of the rules, right, that the wrong 117 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: indisputable evidence that it's the wrong call. I think that 118 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: you could make a very strong argument that he was 119 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: still in the process of extending the ball or warding 120 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: off the opponent after that second foot hits. I think 121 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: you can very easily make that case and say that's 122 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: really tight. I don't know if you have enough to 123 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: overturn that, but they did. 124 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so that and it's really tough for Isaiah 125 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: likely had a touchdown, of course earlier in the game, 126 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: but back to back weeks with unfortunate plays at the 127 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 2: goal liner in the end zone which are like, they're 128 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: not the exact same situation. He was asked about that 129 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: after the game. Basically the question was, you've had two 130 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 2: plays in back to back weeks here where the ball 131 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: has been punched out of your hands. 132 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: At the basis, always extending it. 133 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 2: Going into the end zone or in the end zone. 134 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 2: And he basically said that last week's play he was 135 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: careless with the football. Just needs to be a little 136 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 2: bit more, you know, conscious of where the players are 137 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 2: around him. And then in this game he just made 138 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: the point I got to get that third foot down. 139 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 2: So you know, there's similar plays either. Whatever the breakdown is, 140 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: he's just pointing for him, right. 141 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: The tough part is if he tries to bring that 142 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: ball into his chest, maybe Joey Porter can eat more 143 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: easily to knock that out, you know, get an arm 144 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: up through between his arm and his body and knock 145 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: that ball out. He's trying to play basketball basically, Yeah, 146 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: and just box him out and hold it away from 147 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: Joey Porter Junior unfortunately has very long arms and got 148 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: really lucky. I mean, honestly, this is just flashbacks to 149 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: Lee Evans in the twenty eleven days. It was the 150 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: same championship, past breakup, same thing, same thing. Yeah, well 151 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: I would I'd trained this one for that one. 152 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: If we can go back, sure sure. 153 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: Well. 154 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,119 Speaker 2: The other thing too, is you talk we talk about 155 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: officiating in calls here, different moment, but they're connected. So 156 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: the other big calls you talk about the three big 157 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 2: calls that went against the Ravens, Another really big one 158 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 2: was the interception that wasn't which was the deflected pass. 159 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers goes up, has control of it, catches it, 160 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 2: goes down to the ground. Teddy Buchanan comes up with 161 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: the football. Initially ruled an interception. They go back and 162 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 2: look at that one and they say he controlled the 163 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: ball and then went down. His knee was down before 164 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: it was ripped away. What I don't understand, like if 165 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: I'm looking at this the rules here as we just 166 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 2: spelled them out, like did he make a football move? 167 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: Did he make a football move? Did he have time 168 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 2: to make a football move? Certainly not? Did he get 169 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 2: a third foot down? Is a knee and knee counts 170 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 2: as the third foot? I guess that's that's basically what it. 171 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: Probably didn't ever complete a secure the control of the 172 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 1: ball in his hands. 173 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: I think that that's I think that's yes. 174 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: You're gonna check that one off. Yeah, touch the ground 175 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: inbounds with both feet or with any part of his 176 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: body other than his hands. He dropped to his knees. 177 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, so his knee, yes, okay, my art. 178 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: And then did he clearly was there a football move 179 00:08:59,200 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: after that fact? 180 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: No, right right, it was ripped away. I mean, and 181 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 2: that whole thing was a split second. You know. It's 182 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 2: like it literally is in the the time element there 183 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: is jumping up and down. I mean, where that's that's 184 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: the type of time we're talking about. He jumped up, 185 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 2: caught it well, Jordan, and then went down to the ground. 186 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: Who had more possession when his knees hit the ground? 187 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: Is the question there? And I think that's very debatable. 188 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: A tie in football, for our listeners, tie goes to 189 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: the offensive player. Basically, it's like a tie goes to 190 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: the runner. If the cornerback and wide receiver on both 191 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: catch a bomb and they both hit the ground with 192 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: possession of the football, it goes to the offensive player. Yeah, 193 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: but in this instance, who had more possession of the football, 194 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: better possession of the football when Aaron Rodgers knee hit 195 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: the ground his or Teddy Buchannan. I'm gonna argue that 196 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: it was Teddy Buchannan. 197 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 2: H Yeah, that's honestly, that's that was tough to see 198 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: there's just. 199 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 1: And what again, do you have indisputable evidence to overturn 200 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: the call? 201 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 2: Right there? The evidence there and to be fair, just 202 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: just to Gene Sterotur on the CBS broadcast made the 203 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 2: point that he thought that was the correct call. The 204 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 2: correct call was taking the interception away. That was his 205 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 2: interpretation as a former official, that taking the interception away 206 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: was the correct call in that moment. Now again you 207 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 2: look at the two side by side and you're like, wait, 208 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 2: that's a catch and that one isn't. How do you 209 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 2: square these two things? And that's part of it. 210 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: It's back to the backyard football argument I'm thinking before, 211 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: where it's just it's hard for a team, for a 212 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: fan watching that when you see those two things. Clearly, 213 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 1: Isaiah Likely's was more of a catch than Aaron Rodgers. 214 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: It was clearly, but by the letter of the law, 215 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: when you go break it down like we are here, 216 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: it's pretty it's pretty. 217 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: Tough, yeah, and it's it's really tough because they both 218 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 2: went against the Ravens and they were both called the 219 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: other way in the Ravens favor on the field, So 220 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 2: you have that moment. I mean Tayu Canada as the 221 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: whole celebration, The defense is all celebrating. Everyone's thinking the 222 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 2: Ravens are about to go down and take the lead. 223 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 2: Of the situation comes up with a huge turnover. Isaiah 224 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 2: likely one. Ravens just took the lead late in the 225 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 2: fourth quarter. They're gonna win this game, like you have 226 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 2: that moment and it's fleeting obviously, because then the call 227 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 2: comes in that it's going the other direction based on 228 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 2: a replay. 229 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: It really adds to the feeling that the Ravens were robbed, 230 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: that victory was ripped away from them. That's what the 231 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: feeling is. I'm not saying that that's that's definitely what happened, 232 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: because I think these are tough calls. Yeah, but like 233 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: to my eye, I think Isaiah likely possessed that ball 234 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: long enough and made a football move. 235 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: The other call that did go against the Ravens was 236 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: the unnecessary roughness on a field goal that the Steelers 237 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: kicked in the first half on Travis Jones. Travis Jones 238 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: CJ Quay coming over the middle made contact with the 239 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 2: long snapper, but again Jean Sterotor in reviewing that one, 240 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 2: felt like there was no contact to the head or 241 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 2: neck area. John Harball said the same thing that he 242 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 2: did not see any contact with the head or neck area. 243 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 2: He was making that point to the officials on the game, 244 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: which was called the game broadcast with the audio of that, 245 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: and in order for that to be a penalty, you 246 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: should need to have forciable contact with the headerneck area. 247 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 2: That did not happen. That that play really gave the 248 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 2: Steelers four points. Took it took the they gave him 249 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: a fresh set of downs. They then turned that into 250 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: a touchdown on the very next play. Instead of three, 251 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: they got seven, and so that was a massive point 252 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 2: in the game. Sure, it would have been nice if the 253 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 2: Ravens at the end of the game instead of needing, 254 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 2: instead of being down five points at the end there, 255 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 2: if they were only down one point because of the 256 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 2: not having that four point swing, would have been a 257 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 2: much different situation. If you only need a field goal 258 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 2: to go there to go and win the game. 259 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: Obviously, absolutely we'll rewatching the play. Travis Jones clearly is 260 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: lined up over the He's yes, he's lined up over 261 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: the guard. He tries to split the long snapper in 262 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: the guard. He puts a swim move over the long 263 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: snapper who then puts his shoulder into Travis, and Travis 264 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: just knocks him back because the long snapper puts his 265 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: shoulder into him trying to block the gap. There's no 266 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: there's no contact to the head or neck area, right, 267 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: the long savage just tries to block them and gets 268 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: run over. 269 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 2: Right. So that's massive call, massive call that goes against 270 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 2: the Ravens. And those are three, you know, big calls 271 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 2: that were that hurt the Ravens in this game. We're 272 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 2: all kind of swing points at different levels, and it's 273 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 2: it's disappointing. Now with all of that said, like I 274 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: think that it's it would be too whatever short sighted 275 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 2: to just look at this and just say, well, blame 276 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 2: the refs. You know, the all the calls went against 277 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: the Ravens. There were also things that you know, the 278 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 2: Ravens they don't want to find themselves in that kind 279 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 2: of a situation. And for this team, the offense took 280 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 2: way too long to get going in this game. They 281 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 2: marched down the field on the opening drive, settle for 282 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 2: a field goal, but then there was not much of 283 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 2: anything the rest of the first half. So to me, 284 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 2: it was the story of the game for the Ravens. 285 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 2: Beyond what we talked about. It was the slow start 286 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 2: for the offense and then the inability to capitalize once 287 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 2: in the red zone, which has been a theme for 288 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: this team. 289 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Ravens are two of six in the red zone. 290 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 1: You know, even after the likely touchdown got wiped off 291 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: the board. Okay, second and ten, you get an eight 292 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: yard game. You're looking at third and two near the 293 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: goal line, and you get blown up for a two 294 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: yard loss on a play where the Ravens looked like 295 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: they were just not organized and not discombobulated. And so 296 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: that's obviously not the X kind of execution that you want. 297 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: You got to be buttoned up there. Yeah, and games 298 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: on the line, right, I think the final drive of 299 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: the game, you know, the Ravens got the ball back 300 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: still with the chance to go down and win the game. 301 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: You had a minute fifty six on the clock and 302 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: way too much time ticked off the board on the 303 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: in the first three plays, first four plays, it was 304 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: forty seven seconds left by the time they got to 305 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: fourth down. So you burn more than a minute. You 306 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: burn a minut nine seconds off the clock on the 307 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: first three plays, right, That can't happen on that last 308 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: drive that was unorganized as well. 309 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, then you get down there, you have a chance 310 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: basically for one, maybe two shots at the end zone 311 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 2: from the like the twenty five, and Lamar gets sacked 312 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 2: and the game's over. And it's disappointing to have him 313 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 2: have that play out where he gets sacked and you 314 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 2: don't even get a shot for a heave and a prayer. 315 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 2: It's not even hail Mary, but just a shot at 316 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: the end zone. And so it's a tough way to 317 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: lose this thing, and it's it was kind of confusing 318 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 2: when you look at like the numbers after the game 319 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 2: and you say, Okay, coming into this game, you want 320 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 2: to establish the running game. Well, Raves did that. They 321 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 2: ran for two hundred and seventeen yards on the ground, 322 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: ninety four for Derrick Henry, seventy six for Keaton Mitchell. 323 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: All right, they also had two hundred yards through the air, 324 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 2: and so you. 325 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: Had the ground. Lamar Jackson didn't play a perfect game, 326 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: but he certainly played a better game than last week. Yeah, 327 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: he had one bad interception where he tried to flip 328 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: the ball to Rasheen Ali and then his cousin, of 329 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: all people, burned him and James Pierre makes a one 330 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: handed interception against them, and you know, Lamar set off 331 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: the game. I just threw it too soft to him. 332 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, kind of floated it and they got 333 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: he made a good play on it, but he did 334 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 2: float it. He just floated up there and he tipped 335 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 2: it to himself and made a one hand an interception exactly. 336 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: And but otherwise, I thought Lamar had certainly a bounce 337 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: back game from last week. I thought he was moving better. 338 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: I mean, the Ravens outgained the Steelers by more than 339 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: one hundred yards. Yeah, four hundred and twenty to three eighteen. 340 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: The offense certainly in the second half, it started to 341 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: look more like itself. Now, you know, we only have 342 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: four weeks left in the season, and is it too 343 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: little too late here if the offense is going to 344 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: get on track, that's the question. 345 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 346 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: And but yeah, the Steelers, as they often do, you know, 347 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: made some critical plays in critical moments. And you know, 348 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: they didn't have any turnovers, in part because of a 349 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: referee's you know review overturned one of them. But they 350 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: played a clean game. Uh, And the Ravens didn't make 351 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: the clutch plays when it mattered. 352 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, to that point as well. The Ravens the 353 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 2: red zone struggles on one of the possessions inside the 354 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 2: red zone, passed lamar Jack or sorry to reshot Bateman 355 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: across the middle of the field. Might have been able 356 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 2: to catch it at least would have had a first down, 357 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 2: might have been able to take it all the way 358 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 2: into the end zone, hits off his hands incomplete, So 359 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: you have to settle for a field goal, game changing 360 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 2: type play. There's the likely play that we went through. 361 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 2: And look, you can debate about whether it was officiated 362 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 2: correctly or not, but man, you want to see that caught, 363 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 2: you know, ten steps after that, and again defender made 364 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 2: a good play, but that's when you just wish was 365 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 2: able to be completed. And so that's like it's kind 366 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 2: of similar. You go back a week ago to the 367 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving game and you have like these things in the 368 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 2: red zone that happened that prevent you from being able 369 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 2: to capitalize, And it's the same story here today. And 370 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 2: that's part of what's, you know, so frustrating, is that 371 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 2: he was able to get that ground game going and like, look, 372 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 2: two hundred nineteen yards on the ground, you should win 373 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 2: that every time, like you just should You should be 374 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 2: able to turn that in this type of a game. 375 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: If you're able to control the line of scrimmage and 376 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 2: control the time of possession in that way, then you 377 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 2: should be able to win those games. And so to 378 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 2: have to settle for field goals in the red zone 379 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 2: and not be able to capitalize, it's just disappointing. 380 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, Lamar Jackson ran for his first touchdowns since Week 381 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: one and ran for forty three yards overall, had seven carries, 382 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: so he looked more nimble set after the game, he 383 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: felt better in this game. 384 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 2: I thought he looked good, like I thought, especially especially 385 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 2: basically end of second quarter through the second half. I 386 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 2: think it was slow going out of the gate for 387 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 2: him and the offense as a whole. But then as 388 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 2: he settled in, I thought he looked better than he 389 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 2: has in recent weeks, just moving, finding open receivers like 390 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 2: I thought the offense, and that was so frustrating. It's 391 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 2: like it felt like the offense was hitting a groove. 392 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 2: They were moving the ball in the second half. But 393 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 2: you if you're settling for three or turn over, turn 394 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: into turn it over on downs because you have to 395 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 2: go for the touchdown. That's just gonna be a tough 396 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 2: way to try to win games. 397 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, And what's been frustrating for much of the season 398 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: also is that it seems like the offense and the 399 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: defense just hasn't put it together at the same time 400 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: really hardly ever at all. Maybe going back to Week 401 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: two against the Browns, where the defense is getting turnovers, 402 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: the offense punch it in and you know, you kind 403 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: of run up the score late in that game when 404 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: things clicked on both sides. But it's been a few 405 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,959 Speaker 1: and far between times when when they've been doing it 406 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: all on both phases, and even today, special teams really 407 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: hurt them in this game. I mean, they had an 408 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: extra point miss by Tyler Loop his second of the 409 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 1: season he had to kick it, had a kickoff go 410 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: out of bounds, a critical holding penalty on KeAndre Jackson 411 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: on the final punt of the game that backed the 412 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 1: Ravens up when they were trying to mount a game 413 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: winning drive. Those are and I would say consistently the 414 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: Steeler just had had better field position by nature of 415 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: their special teams unit. I mean multiple times they're starting 416 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: at the forty or beyond a drive and so the 417 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: Ravens just lost the special teams battle today. 418 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was difficult to lose that. You don't typically 419 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 2: see that with this team. But all of those were 420 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 2: impactful moments and plays in this game. One other guy 421 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 2: I want to mention on offense, Dave Flowers, had a 422 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: monster day. Eight catches, one hundred and twenty four yards, 423 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 2: had eleven targets. To me, the Ravens came into this 424 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 2: game staying let's get Zay Flowers going. He was targeted 425 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 2: early and often in this game, and that really continued. 426 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 2: Came up with a big play on the drive that 427 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 2: looked like it was going to be a touchdown drive 428 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 2: the Isaiah likely touchdown that wasn't, but big day for 429 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 2: Jay Flowers, so it was good to see him. Like 430 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: That's again it goes back to like the disappointing elements 431 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 2: of this game. You're like, all right, let's get Zay 432 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 2: Flowers going. He has a monster day. Let's get Derek 433 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 2: Henry going. He has ninety four yards like we put 434 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 2: up over two hundred yards on the ground. You did 435 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 2: the things that when I think of the Ravens offensive 436 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 2: identity at its best, it's the game you checked the 437 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 2: keys to the game, and like, what is the offensive identity. 438 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 2: It's being able to be have a downhill running game 439 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 2: and then z Flowers really dicing up a secondary and 440 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 2: like the Ravens did that today, but they weren't able 441 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: to capitalize enough. Now, just to round out the conversation 442 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 2: on the offense before we go to break, one thing 443 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 2: I do want to mention is that Keaton Mitchell left 444 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 2: this game with a knee injury. He went down after 445 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 2: that long run that he had, the fifty five yard 446 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 2: run that set up an eventual touchdown. He left the 447 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 2: game after that did not come back. Head coach John 448 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 2: Harball said afterwards that the team's gonna have to take 449 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 2: a look at the severity of that, so he did 450 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 2: not have an update on the exact status. The Rads 451 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 2: are gonna be looking into that tomorrow and earlier this week. Obviously, 452 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 2: giving Keaton's injury history, the significance and the severity of 453 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 2: the knee injury that he had previously in his career, 454 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 2: you don't like seeing a knee pop up for him, 455 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 2: especially after such a big play. And I really feel 456 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 2: like he was showing himself to be a true weapon 457 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 2: for this team down the stretch, So hopefully it's minor 458 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 2: and he's able to get back in the lineup soon. 459 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 2: But we should have more information on that here in 460 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 2: the next few days, so that we're gonna take a 461 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 2: quick break and when we come back, we'll dive into 462 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball and also talk about 463 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 2: what the Ravens need to do to put themselves back 464 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 2: in the mix in the AFC North. Welcome back into 465 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 2: the Lounge podcast. We are coming to you from the 466 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 2: Sea Geek Studio. We want to mention our partners, a 467 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 2: Draft King Sportsbook. They are an official sports betting partner 468 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 2: of the Baltimore Ravens Draft King Sportsbook. The Crown is 469 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 2: yours for the defense today, you mentioned it. They only 470 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 2: gave up three hundred and eighteen yards total in this 471 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 2: matchup and they completely shut down the Steelers running game 472 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 2: thirty four rushing yards for Pittsburgh on this day. However, 473 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 2: the issue for the defense was that they just gave 474 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 2: up too many big plays that cost them. DK Metcalf 475 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 2: opened this thing up. It was basically a precursor of 476 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 2: what was to come in this game. Opens the game 477 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 2: up with a huge play. Yeah, he has two plays 478 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 2: over forty yards in this game really hurt the Ravens. 479 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: And then Calvin Austin has a thirty plus yard catch 480 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 2: in this game on a critical third down. And then 481 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 2: the touchdown to Jalen Warren. 482 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: Where blowing coverage thirty eight yards just completely a walk 483 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: in touchdown thirty eight yards. It was. 484 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 2: I mean that one's like a little bit different in 485 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 2: the big play category. Is a screen pass that the 486 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: Ravens just covered poorly and complete blown coverage, miscommunication, miss assignment, 487 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 2: and then it was a walk in touchdown. 488 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Steelers. What's crazy about it is that the 489 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: Steelers were not a downfield passing attack at all this season. 490 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: They've really had the most short passing in the league. 491 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: And Aaron Rodgers had gone for thirteen on passing attempts 492 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: of twenty air yards or more in November and he 493 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: hadn't hit a deep pass since Week eight. And they 494 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: come out first play, it's a drawn up bomb to 495 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: dk Metcalf with a little misdirection and Aaron Rodgers throws 496 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: an absolute dime for a fifty five yard gain. Metcalf 497 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 1: had a little push off on Marlin on that one 498 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: that I think you'd like to see flag, especially considering 499 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: Zay Flowers got called for OPI last week in a 500 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: critical call. But I digress. Great great throw by Aaron Rodgers, 501 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: great catch by DK Metcalf, first play the game, and 502 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: I think that set the tone for the Steelers offense 503 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,239 Speaker 1: that this was not going to be the offense that 504 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: they've been operating with in recent weeks upon weeks the 505 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: best two months, and that they were going to take 506 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: their shots against these Ravens corners on the outside. And 507 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: they did. They kept doing it. First play the second half, 508 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: forty one yard gain to DK Metcalf that was less 509 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: of a bomb, more of a Raven's just got no 510 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,719 Speaker 1: pressure on Aaron Rodgers and he was able to stand 511 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: back there and kind of move around a little bit 512 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: to find DK at Metcalf wide open for a catch 513 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: and run. But Metcalf had seven catches for a buck 514 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: forty eight. 515 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 2: Yep. 516 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to the rivalry for the big bodied wide receiver 517 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: that they went out and got this offseason. 518 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the problem for the Ravens. I mean 519 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 2: that first drive, his big play, the fifty two yard 520 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 2: catch for him to set that thing up is also 521 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 2: you get your first play for fifty two yards down 522 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 2: the field and you're in a pretty good position. And 523 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 2: so like he was a problem for the Ravens. Today 524 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 2: was a season high passing yards for Aaron Rodgers two 525 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 2: hundred and eighty four yards. He had one touchdown, no sacks, 526 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 2: no sacks against Rogers. 527 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: Forty two year old Aaron Rodgers. 528 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 2: That's not gonna get it done. 529 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: He ducked under one by Mike Green. Green liked to 530 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: have that one back here and had others, you know, 531 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: but but yeah, this, honestly, this was a turn the 532 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: clock back game for Aaron Rodgers. You know, he was 533 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: put he had a rushing touchdown, He. 534 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 2: Had a rush, didn't I mean, he had a rushing 535 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 2: touchdown and did the discount and double check. 536 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: It was the end zone exactly. It was a turn 537 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: the clock back game for Aaron Rodgers. And I mean 538 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: it was his first rushing touchdown since the twenty twenty 539 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: two seasons. 540 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and he also so he was really I mean, look, 541 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 2: his accuracy has been there, but like he was putting 542 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 2: the ball on the money on those deep shots to 543 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: DK Metcalfe, to Calvin Austin, Like he's he's delivering those 544 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 2: throws on the money. 545 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, you look back at the over thirteen on those 546 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: shots in the month of November and there's a lot 547 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: of overthrows. Put them on the money today. Yeah, and 548 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: so you know, another guy new to this rivalry and 549 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: had a pretty darn big game here against the Ravens. 550 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 2: Look, we said also coming into this one that it's 551 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 2: cliche that the turnover battle often decides this game, and 552 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 2: that where is evidence to that. Now, it's hard to 553 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 2: fault the defense too much when you had a turnover 554 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 2: taken off the board that you felt pretty good about 555 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 2: that honestly could have proven to be the difference in 556 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 2: the game, but it didn't go the Ravens way. And again, 557 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 2: the Steelers win the turnover battle and they win the game. 558 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: And it's also pretty hard. I mean, yeah, the interception 559 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: that was wiped off, you know, the Ravens forced a 560 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: punt in march back down the field, so it didn't 561 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: end up they ended up. It seemed like if the 562 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: Isaiah likely catch had stood that maybe it would even 563 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 1: been a good thing because it took more time. Yeah, 564 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 1: so that that one didn't really decide the game. I agree. 565 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 2: I just think that you want to be able to 566 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 2: get whoever has won the turnover battle, and these Ravens 567 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 2: Steelers catch ups like you for the last twenty years, 568 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 2: has won the game for the most part, and it's 569 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 2: the case once again here today. 570 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: So it was, it was. It was a weird defensive performance. 571 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 1: I think in many ways, the defense played pretty darn well. 572 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: But you know, it's some individual plays where some yeah 573 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: you gotta tip your cat, just good plays by them. Yeah, 574 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: but you don't blow and coverage you can't. Yeah, you can't. 575 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: You can't have that. That was just bad. Yeah, you know, 576 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: there's there's just a few bad plays sprinkled in there, 577 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: and it makes what was otherwise a pretty good performance 578 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: by the defense not look so good. 579 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. So the Ravens have four games left now in 580 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 2: the regular season. Next week they're on the road at Cincinnati. 581 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 2: Then they come back home and play the Patriots, who 582 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 2: might be playing for the one seed, probably will be 583 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 2: playing for the one seed in that game. Then you 584 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 2: on the road and play in Green Bay the Frozen 585 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 2: Tundra and Lambeau, and then you close out the season 586 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 2: on the road in Pittsburgh. So three of your last 587 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 2: four on the road, and it's unclear exactly how many 588 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 2: which you're. 589 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: Gonna be against division leaders at the time, most well, 590 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,719 Speaker 1: who knows about Pittsburgh. Hopefully they're not division leader right right, 591 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: but right now, as of now. 592 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 2: It's a tough schedule. It's a really tough schedule to 593 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 2: close out the regular season. Bengals at least lost the 594 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 2: day to Buffalo, but as we saw last week, they're 595 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 2: not gonna be sitting here saying now, who cares about 596 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 2: the rest of the season. They're gonna be trying to 597 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 2: knock the Ravens out. They would love nothing more than 598 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 2: to basically knock the Ravens out of the playoff race. 599 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 2: So they're still going to be motivated and playing hard. 600 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 2: So it's a tough stretch for the Ravens and I 601 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 2: think that at a minimum, absolute minimum, you've got to 602 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 2: win the two AFC North games, and it's probably gonna 603 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 2: take more than that. 604 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, you look at the Steelers schedule. They're gonna have 605 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: a home game against the Miami Dolphins on Monday Night 606 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: Football next week, then they go on the road to Detroit. 607 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: That's a tough game for them, then on the road 608 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: in Cleveland, and then hosts the Ravens in the regular 609 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: season finale. So not exactly an easy stretch for the 610 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: Steelers either. I will say the Dolphins have been playing 611 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: better football recently. They've won four straight games since losing 612 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: to the Ravens. So that's not a gimme game for 613 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: the Steelers next week either. So there this is still 614 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: we all talked about the odds of winning the AFC North. 615 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna really swing based on this game today for 616 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: both teams. The Steelers are certainly now in the driver's seat, 617 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,719 Speaker 1: but the Ravens aren't. They ain't out of this and 618 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: that was the message from head coach Sean Harbaugh as 619 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: well as others. And after this game, you know, head 620 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: coach Sean Harwall sat next to Lamar Jackson in the 621 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: locker room. Lamar was the last guy to take his 622 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: pads off after this game. He was not happy about 623 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: how about losing the Steelers here at home? And Harves 624 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: and Lamar talked for a little while in the locker 625 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: room and Lamar Jackson said, that was the message, you know, 626 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: between That was the conversation between them, that four games left, 627 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: all right. You know, the Ravens have had their backs 628 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: up against the wall before this season and they were 629 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: sitting at one and five, backs were against the wall, 630 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: right and they clawed their way back from that. The 631 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: question is can they do it again? You know, you 632 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: definitely have your backs up against the wall. You have 633 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: to win at least three or four. You know, if 634 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: the Ravens win three or four, you get to nine 635 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: and eight. That could get it done in the AFC 636 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: North this year. 637 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course two of those wins have to 638 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 2: be in the division. I think nine and eight could 639 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 2: get it done, yep. But I think like if you 640 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 2: and if the Ravens run the table, then I think 641 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 2: they have a pretty good chance to get If they 642 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 2: if they're at ten to seven, I think you feel 643 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 2: pretty good about that. But but first and foremost, like 644 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 2: they got to beat the Bengals, like it's the true 645 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 2: we can we can play out the next month here. 646 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 2: But the Ravens have to look at this as one 647 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 2: one game at a time, and if they lose the 648 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 2: Bengals next week, then it's going to be really dicey 649 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 2: about climbing their way back into this thing. So disappointing 650 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 2: result here at M and T Bank Stadium again, next 651 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 2: week we'll be traveling on the road to face the 652 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 2: Bengals and another key AFC North matchup. As always, you 653 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 2: can email us at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL 654 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 2: dot net. We always appreciate your emails, even if they're 655 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 2: disappointed and frustrated after a game like this, but we 656 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 2: always appreciate those emails. Thank you so much for listening. 657 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 2: We will be back with you again later this week.