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Speaker 2: Yeah, we actually are back in the same city.

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Speaker 1: We're back in the same city. I know. We haven't

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Speaker 1: How was the sleep? How was the schedule? How was

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Speaker 2: I did, I did. A couple of words came out

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Speaker 1: You're a tough coach, You're a tough pacha. Well, I

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Speaker 2: Yes, she passed Lindsay Vaughn as the greatest American skier,

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Speaker 2: comes to like pushing for someone being in the top ten,

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Speaker 2: well being a Grand Slam champion, but absolutely.

429
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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And I think for me, like what

430
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Speaker 1: I like so much about especially the Women's Tour is

431
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Speaker 1: just you know, the variety that we see of personalities,

432
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Speaker 1: of backgrounds, of game styles. She's strong and looks like

433
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Speaker 1: she's a fully formed player. I played junior tennis out

434
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Speaker 1: of that Atlanta section, and having a lot of like

435
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Speaker 1: young black talent out of Atlanta, it's kind of overdue,

436
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Speaker 1: Like there's so many good players down there, Like starting

437
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Speaker 1: with the Jenkins brothers, Jackie Jermaine, two of whom ended

438
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Speaker 1: up as hitting partners. Jackie was my age Jeremy or

439
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 1: and Jermaine ended up being I think hitting partners for

440
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Speaker 1: Venus and Serena Donald Young Taylor Townsend. You know, to

441
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Speaker 1: have Alicia Parks coming out of that scene, that public

442
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Speaker 1: court scene, South Filton County Tennis Center, shout out. I've

443
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 1: made a lot of tennis tournaments there. It was just

444
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Speaker 1: really cool, like, you know, the South has something to say,

445
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Speaker 1: as outcast would say. So I was just really, really

446
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Speaker 1: really excited about that. Let's talk about another young people,

447
00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 1: because now we're on our favorite subject, professional women's tennis.

448
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,359
Speaker 1: Many people might have remembered the best head gear at

449
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:16,200
Speaker 1: the Australian Open being worn the sort of babushka bandana

450
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 1: rambo headwear by Diana Schneider, a young Russian who was

451
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Speaker 1: a lefty and got a very impressive set off of

452
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Speaker 1: Maria Sakari. But before like basically she almost won that match,

453
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Speaker 1: she kind of ran out of the team at the end,

454
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Speaker 1: and everyone was sort of talking about like, oh my god,

455
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Speaker 1: this girl's eighteen and she's about to go back to

456
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Speaker 1: NC State to go play college tennis. And everyone was like, well,

457
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 1: that's crazy because she's now in the top one hundred

458
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Speaker 1: and the Women's Tennis Association Tour. Why wouldn't she just

459
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Speaker 1: and she has points and has made money, Why wouldn't

460
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Speaker 1: you just keep it going.

461
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Speaker 2: But no.

462
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Speaker 1: She played her first collegiate tennis match yesterday for the

463
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Speaker 1: North Carolina State Wolfback. She won, obviously, and she had

464
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Speaker 1: told that money back. I think she had to give

465
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Speaker 1: all that money back. I won one tournament as a NCAA.

466
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Speaker 1: I won ninety four dollars and I had to give

467
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Speaker 1: it back. Now, I don't know, that's a.

468
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Speaker 2: Lot more that you win, babe, Like one hundred and fifty.

469
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Speaker 1: Getting into the main draw at a Grand Slam that

470
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Speaker 1: I presume she has to give back. But I don't

471
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Speaker 1: really know the rules. But it's hard to imagine. You're

472
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Speaker 1: like playing this young woman in a NCAA match, like

473
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Speaker 1: are you shitting yourself? Before you even get out on

474
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Speaker 1: the cord, Like, oh my god, she's playing a Grand

475
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Speaker 1: Slam and got a sat off a top dead player.

476
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Speaker 2: Not only did she get a set, Caitlin, but she

477
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Speaker 2: also won a round.

478
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Speaker 1: No, you're right, yeah, of course.

479
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Speaker 2: So she had like one hundred and fifty thousand US

480
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Speaker 2: in her back pocket and she's had to give that back.

481
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 2: You can claim all your expenses. So I hope she

482
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Speaker 2: had a really good text person saying oh yeah, and

483
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 2: I flew this person down and this person down at

484
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 2: oh I had dinner here and yeah, and just take

485
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 2: all the cash. But yeah, she's a really dynamic, fun player.

486
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Speaker 2: But it's interesting that she's going chosen to go to

487
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Speaker 2: college because most people don't go to college if they

488
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Speaker 2: know they can at least get She now can get

489
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Speaker 2: into every Grand Slam this year.

490
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Speaker 1: She's automatic. Yeah, she's an automatic.

491
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 2: In automatic into French, automatic, into wimbled And now I

492
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,479
Speaker 2: wish you know, before we started talking about that, we

493
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Speaker 2: were going to talk about this on the wish, I'd

494
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Speaker 2: ask Lisa Raymond because Lisa had the same situation. She

495
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Speaker 2: was still at Florida. She played two years at Florida,

496
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Speaker 2: and I believe she made the round of sixteen at

497
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Speaker 2: Wimbledon or a third round at Wimbledon when she was

498
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Speaker 2: still at college. I believe I need to probably find

499
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Speaker 2: that out, but I believe that's true. So there's been

500
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Speaker 2: some players in the past that have done very, very

501
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Speaker 2: well professionally while being in college. I know from Lisa's standpoint,

502
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Speaker 2: because we talked at a lot, is that she wasn't

503
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Speaker 2: emotionally ready to go pro. She just wasn't quite ready

504
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: to be on the road full time and liked her teammates,

505
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 2: liked that atmosphere, loved her coach, worked really hard at college,

506
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 2: like he was Andy. Brandy was her coach there, and

507
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 2: he you know a lot of very very good players,

508
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 2: and I think she liked his guidance, didn't really want

509
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 2: to leave them there, and became a better player because

510
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 2: of it. Won the ncubaas twice in singles back to back,

511
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: was unbeaten in her second year. Won the NCUBAA titles

512
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Speaker 2: as a team for the first time for Florida when

513
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Speaker 2: she was there the first year, so she accomplished a

514
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Speaker 2: lot of great things there and then was like, yeah, okay,

515
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: I probably should go out there now. I mean, she

516
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 2: was losing like a six and the third to Jennifer

517
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: Capriarti that year at Wimbledon when she was still at college.

518
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Speaker 2: So you know, this was a player that now felt

519
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 2: like emotionally she readly look at Danielle Collins last year's

520
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 2: Stray and Open finals. You know, a top ten player

521
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 2: in the WTA Tour. She went to four years of

522
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Speaker 2: college because she didn't feel like she was ready either

523
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 2: and developing her game and maturity. So maybe this kid, Diane,

524
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: she feels a little bit the same way. She's from Russia,

525
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 2: probably didn't have a lot of support, didn't have any money,

526
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Speaker 2: and thought, well, i'll go to school for a few years,

527
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Speaker 2: maybe four play tennis, still get an education. She's probably

528
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 2: a smart kid, and it's interesting that she's decided to

529
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Speaker 2: go back. But we'll see.

530
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Speaker 1: Having been a collegiate tennis player, a very very mediocre

531
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Speaker 1: college tennis player. To be clear, it's sort of it

532
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Speaker 1: makes me wonder what college tennis is for. And I

533
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 1: mean this without really an agenda, just more kind of

534
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 1: an open question, like college tennis is on the women's side,

535
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: especially because women have more scholarships thanks to Title nine

536
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: in tennis than they do men, because men's tennis scholarships

537
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: are largely eaten up by the fact that one hundred

538
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: and ten men get scholarships for most D one college

539
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 1: football teams, and that kind of eats up the rest

540
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: of the ability for other men to have other sports

541
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Speaker 1: that don't cause brain damage, by the way, and that's

542
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: sort of an issue, But for women, plenty of college

543
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: scholarships available. They're all for you know, large by and large,

544
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: like kind of endowment funded or taxpayer funded. And it

545
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: is interesting because I'm not sure tennis. College tennis necessarily

546
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: a very good step ladder towards the pros. At times

547
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: in tennis, well, no, but at times it has been

548
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: like you think about Arthur ash who played at UCLA.

549
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: You think about John McEnroe who played at.

550
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: He played John McRoy played, No, you're right, you're right,

551
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: Patrick and patat Trick.

552
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, and that's obviously Lisa Raymond was

553
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,479
Speaker 1: one of the most celebrated in SKAA athletes of all

554
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: time at Florida. You know, So it's certainly possible. And

555
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Speaker 1: if you're playing at the very highest levels of NCAA tennis,

556
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Speaker 1: you're playing for Stanford or Florida or Duke, Yeah, you're

557
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 1: on that trajectory where you're playing other elite players, and

558
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: it's possible.

559
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: Jenny Brady U CLA. I mean there's been a lot, Caitlin,

560
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: so I just think it comes back.

561
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Speaker 1: I don't think there has been a lot, though. I

562
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: think it's a fraction, a fraction, especially in today's game.

563
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: It's a fraction. And the truth is most people get

564
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Speaker 1: worse in college, not because college isn't a good experience

565
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Speaker 1: to have, but in the case of a lot of

566
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Speaker 1: really good athletes that I played tennis with, not only

567
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Speaker 1: within like you know, like the University of Texas for example,

568
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 1: they will have gone to an academy Florida, a voluntary

569
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: academy now Collein img or Rick Mitchi or whatever, you know,

570
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Speaker 1: one of these, and they're playing tennis about six hours

571
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: a day and going to school about two hours a day.

572
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 1: When you go to college, that is flipped. You're playing

573
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Speaker 1: tennis for about two hours a day and you're going

574
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Speaker 1: to college for about six hours a day. And so

575
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: if you're not, if you're coming from a really high

576
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: intensity training environment, you have to be phenomenally self motivated

577
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: to make that shift and ratio really work for you.

578
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: And the fact of the matter is most people have

579
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: already kind of peaked by the time they're eighteen nineteen.

580
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Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying it's not great to go to college.

581
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: Believe me, having had a free education was the best

582
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: thing that changed my life. But I do wonder what

583
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: college tennis in the in the vein of pro tennis

584
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 1: is is four you know what I mean?

585
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Speaker 2: Well, I guess she's going to be the one to

586
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 2: answer that in the next few years. And if and

587
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 2: I've always said tennis now is a marathon, it's not

588
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: a sprint. You can play up until you're thirty five,

589
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 2: thirty eight, thirty nine, forty years of age. So there's

590
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 2: twenty years left of her career. And I think she's talented.

591
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 2: Off I do think she's pretty talented. So I think

592
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Speaker 2: actually getting more sort of reps and winning a lot

593
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Speaker 2: of matches in because if she's as good as we

594
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: think she is, she will win almost.

595
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Speaker 1: Every match in eight percent of her matches for sure.

596
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: And same with Lisa. Like same with Lisa, and Lisa

597
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: went on to the pro tour and then believed in

598
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: herself more because she wasn't a type of person that

599
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: was like super cocky. And I mean she's cocky in

600
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: certain ways, but down deep inside there was a lot

601
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: of insecurity about herself. And I think that once she

602
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: walked out of college, she was like, oh, well shit,

603
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 2: I can't do anything more than I've done there. And

604
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,479
Speaker 2: you think about Jenny Brady, who played like four at

605
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: UCLAH or three or four. She wasn't even a top player,

606
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: but she learned how to win there and then eventually

607
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: she started doing that on the pro tour. But I mean, look,

608
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: look at that quarter file just a week ago. So

609
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: JJ Wolf is playing against Ben Shelton. You got Ohio

610
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 2: State playing against against Florida. You know, these two guys

611
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: did really well in college and then they've gone on.

612
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Speaker 2: So I think, here's my answer to it. If you

613
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Speaker 2: are not ready foryally and mentally to be a professional

614
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: tennis player and put the hours and the time in

615
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: to get better, do not turn pro go to college?

616
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

617
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: Good point, Yes, because you can, you say, get worse.

618
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: I think if if you do the work in college,

619
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: and if you.

620
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: Have a good coach and a good program, which I

621
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Speaker 1: did not have, pick a good school, a good coach, and.

622
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Speaker 2: A good prom Some kids I don't have the availability

623
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: been out of practice. They don't have the money to

624
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 2: be able to buy a lot of tennis balls. Cost

625
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: a lot of money to buy tennis balls. It costs

626
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: a lot of money to like have a full time coach.

627
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: It's costs a lot of money to get ou unless

628
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: you're geting a scholarship at an academy by an IMG

629
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: who now own you you, you have to find somewhere

630
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: to get structured practice. And practice is available at these

631
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: really good schools So I'm a big believer in if

632
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: you're not emotionally and physically ready, go to college, and

633
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: you can always go back right and get you finish

634
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 2: your scholarship if you don't make it on the pro tour.

635
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 2: So I'm a big propon and all that, especially Americans,

636
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: when you can just go for a year if you want,

637
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: if you're lighting the world on fire and beating everybody

638
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: in college tennis, then you may have you have a

639
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: chance to make it on the tour. You don't done

640
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: a chance. I see so many girls out there that

641
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, you suck and you didn't go to college, Like,

642
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: why wouldn't you go to college at least get your education.

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Speaker 1: That's a terrible that's a terribly ur your need read

644
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Speaker 1: But you're not probably not wrong, which is you could

645
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Speaker 1: be in college right now and winning a lot of

646
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Speaker 1: tennis matches and getting an education, which for somebody like me,

647
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Speaker 1: who knew I was never going to be able to

648
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Speaker 1: make a living playing tennis, going to a school where

649
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Speaker 1: I could get it, I was like, Okay, my first

650
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: career is over. Now I got to figure out my

651
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Speaker 1: second career. And sometimes it takes people longer to figure

652
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Speaker 1: that out.

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Speaker 2: Look at Alicia Parks twenty two just find her first

654
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Speaker 2: tante starting to come into rwe Now, hey, maybe if

655
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Speaker 2: she I didn't know, I don't think she went to college.

656
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: Maybe if she'd gone to college for a couple of years,

657
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Speaker 2: who knows, she would have had an education under her,

658
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: she would have had an experience that she'll never forget,

659
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: and she probably would have been a better player in

660
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: the end a little bit earlier because she would have

661
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Speaker 2: had a lot of structured practice and a lot of

662
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Speaker 2: really good matches. She would have won a hull of

663
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Speaker 2: a lot. She would have lost a lot as.

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Speaker 1: Well, unless she had a dick coach who pitted her

665
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Speaker 1: against her other teammates and dad da. I mean, I'm

666
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: just saying a lot for a lot of people, a

667
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: lot of women, especially the NCAA college experience is horrific

668
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: because a lot of the male coaches in particular, are

669
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Speaker 1: very the worst. To me, the other big counterpoint to this,

670
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Speaker 1: and this is the only thing I'll say to sort

671
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: of counter you, because I think your metapoint is right

672
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: and correct, which is experience and money and access, which

673
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: is great. On the other hand, if you're a coach,

674
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: the best elite coach gets to coach pro players. If

675
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: you're a very very very good coach, you get to

676
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: coach elite junior players who have the chance of going pro.

677
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: The worst of the coaches worse than your and oftentimes

678
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: like club players, especially if it's not at a program

679
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: that has you know, top ten, top twenty athletic department,

680
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: you're the worst of the bunch and you're coaching college tennis.

681
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: So for me, if you don't pick a very good program,

682
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna get worse. So I do think college tennis

683
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: is not necessarily a panacea. If you're Ben Shelton and

684
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: you're playing at Florida Great launching Pad. If you're Jenny

685
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: Brady playing for Stella sampras at U see La great

686
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: logic pad, or you know somebody like you know the

687
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: many many athletes who come through like our friend Christian

688
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: you know coming through Stanford, great outcome, Nicole Gibbs, Lots

689
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: of pros come through that pipeline. You going to the

690
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: University of Missouri, I don't know. Now the coach is great,

691
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: and you have a better chance than when I went there,

692
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: But like I do, I do think, like pick a

693
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Speaker 1: good school where you're gonna be able to get a

694
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Speaker 1: good coach who actually will not make you worse.

695
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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Kaitlin, who's bringing up all.

696
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: This is very cathartic. This is very Gothardic for me. Sorry,

697
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: this is.

698
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: Clearly did not have a good experience with your coach

699
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: who told you when you had your period one time

700
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: when you said I'm not feeling too good, drop me

701
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 2: down the leven and he said gross. You got gross,

702
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: And you're like, dude, you're coaching a women's tennis team,

703
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: so you need to get over You don't know how they.

704
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: Have one period to deal with you have eight periods

705
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: to deal with.

706
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: Y So okay, so we'll button that up. Look, I

707
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: think the bottom line is pick a good school, make

708
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: sure they have a good coach, make sure they have

709
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: good rapport with their players, and talk to people before

710
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 2: you choose a school.

711
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: If you're really good, you know what, I think that

712
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: might be good life advice, which is if you work

713
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: with a coach, make sure that they work well with you,

714
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: They bring out the best and you, they push you,

715
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Speaker 1: their knap decks to you.

716
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Speaker 2: And also I want to also kick back on you

717
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Speaker 2: a little bit because I know a bunch of coaches

718
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Speaker 2: on the pro tour who couldn't make it even at

719
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: fucking the local club. Okay, so let's just fair enough,

720
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Speaker 2: calm the farm on. If you're coaching an elite player,

721
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: you're an elite coach. No, you're not. You just happen

722
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: to get lucky by being a decent former player yourself

723
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Speaker 2: who maybe played maybe the challengers, especially men. This is

724
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Speaker 2: only I'm directing this mostly to men because it's chance

725
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: a woman that hasn't had a stellar careers not getting

726
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: once a coaching job. You know, if you're not a

727
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: Concheta Martinez and one Wimbledon, you're not getting a look

728
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 2: can And so many of these guys are like players

729
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 2: that never made it on the pro tour. They barely

730
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 2: want to match in the challenges. They maybe were ranked

731
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Speaker 2: like eight hundred in the world as guys, and they're

732
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: coaching some of the most elite players, so that some

733
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: of them are great coaches. They are very good coach.

734
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Speaker 2: And I know a lot of players coaches that did

735
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 2: not make it very good in the professionals who are

736
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 2: great coaches and nice guys. But there are some that

737
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: are not. And not every probably player coach. He's an

738
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Speaker 2: elite coach. Okay, okay, you are so we wanted to

739
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 2: mention you want to talk about Julyn.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of streaking amazing new faces that we saw at

741
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Speaker 1: the Australian Open. Obviously we talked about Danie Shpeter, we

742
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: can talk about Julian, a young Chinese player who did

743
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: beat Maria Zakari in the next round. Looked like she

744
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: was hitting lasers off the ground, absolutely took the fight

745
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: one thousand percent to both Maria Zachari and one, but

746
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Speaker 1: also Victoria Azarenka, who had to play incredible. And I

747
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: talked a lot about how happy I was to see

748
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: Vika back at the level of not only playing intense,

749
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: awesome Vika tennis, which like she does even on a

750
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 1: bad day, like because it's intense, but thinking her way

751
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: through playing against a streaking player. Her match point to

752
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: beat Julian, where they had an incredible rally, Julian penzer

753
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: at the baseline and Vika hits one of the greatest

754
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: running backhand crossport passing shots I've ever seen. Was like

755
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: a thing of beauty. But I will say Juln back

756
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: in it up this week Thailand.

757
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't want you to be upset at

758
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: me here for correct you. But to calls you ling

759
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: young is funny because she's twenty nine.

760
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Speaker 1: Well I'm forty two. But yeah, she's not a she's

761
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: a new face. I wouldn't say a young face. A

762
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:52,479
Speaker 1: new face.

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00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: Back in the day, twenty nine was all like, oh, like,

764
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 2: you're almost thirty, it's time to pack in, give it up,

765
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: you know, and have kids. Nowadays it's like thirty nine.

766
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: But having said that, I have to say, it is

767
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 2: nice to see a player who is twenty nineties of age,

768
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: she's been through a lot, who you know, hasn't had

769
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: tremendous success, but it's always around there, just you know, overall,

770
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: just a really quality player that's really given it all.

771
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 2: Is now going to be fifty four in the rankings

772
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: as of today, So that's a big step up for her,

773
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 2: almost inside the top two, top side the top fifty.

774
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: But you know, I was looking at her career prize

775
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: money's two million dollars at twenty nine. It's not a

776
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 2: lot of money, and that is half of it's gone

777
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 2: in Texas. A quarter of it, without question, has already

778
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: gone in travel. So you know this is a player.

779
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: It's been around a long long time. And you know,

780
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: she beat Maria Sakari at the stray and Open as

781
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: well as that a terrific match against as a ranker

782
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 2: where she won the first set and everyone was like, oh,

783
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: who is this girl? But you know, yeah, it's just.

784
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: And she won her first title. This is her first

785
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: total that she's ever won at the WTA level and

786
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: she beat Lesiskvid the Ukraine. Well done to Julian and

787
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: also so nice to see Lessia Cirenko play well like

788
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: late in the game. Oh you know what, I'm going

789
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: to get political here, and not in the way you think,

790
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: because we've had quite a week. You know, you dare

791
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: talk about somebody and not give him unmitigative praise, and

792
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: then you hear about it from everybody else, well, a

793
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: certain fanship who is in your DMS threatening to you know,

794
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: kill your children. But I will say, can we just

795
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about Elina's Fiddlina.

796
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's putting the flag down as you say.

797
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, she has come out with a very emotional play

798
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: plea as she did last year as well. So I

799
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: don't want to make it sound like you know, this

800
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: is new but she has come out preemptively ahead of

801
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: Wimbledon deciding if they will again ban Russian and Belarussian

802
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: players from playing, and saying this should stay in place.

803
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: We both know where we stand on whether we think

804
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: the tournament should ban players or not. But and I

805
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: don't think we're on exactly the same side. But for me,

806
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: it is interesting saying that Elena's Fidelina is hard to

807
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: not have to play. I mean, it's hard to not

808
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: sympathize with how you know, her country has been a

809
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: customized decimated and you know, spent the past year in

810
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: absolute terror, and you know, for her friends and family.

811
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: So it's just it is interesting, like politics just are

812
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: in tennis, and it's it's not something that we can

813
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: get away from. And I don't want to bring it

814
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: up because I necessarily have a stance on it. It's just,

815
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, her point is the war is still happening,

816
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: My country is still being you know, absolutely victimized by Russia,

817
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: but obviously with sort of the implicit political sport of

818
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: both Belarus, and then you know, what does that mean

819
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: for tennis and what should tennis be doing? You know,

820
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: I don't know that there's an answer, don't let people

821
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 1: wearing Putin flags into your tournaments and have people's parents

822
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: pose with them. That's an easy one. We'd love to

823
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: see that band continue. It wasn't. No, I will say,

824
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: that's the most overt pro war pro putin you know,

825
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: sort of thing we've seen. I would much rather see

826
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: a ban on that or like Russian money in tennis

827
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: than I would Russian players. You know, I do sympathize

828
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: with the fact that, you know, these Ukrainian players have

829
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: to go out and play tennis while their country is

830
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: under siege. Like it's crazy.

831
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's just messy, isn't it. That's the

832
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: best way to put it. It's just messy. You know,

833
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 2: obviously think that you know, the Russian tennis players and

834
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: bell Russian tennis players aren't going to do anything about

835
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: the war, like Peton's not going to be like, oh

836
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: wait a second, well, now that andre now doesn't want

837
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 2: me to bomb Ukraine, I'm going to stop. He's already

838
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: said it publicly, like and you know, Sablenka could come

839
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 2: out and be like, I'm against the war too, And

840
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: it's not like that the Belarussian president is going to

841
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: be like, oh Arena.

842
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: If anything, they probably be like, where does your family live?

843
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: We're going to capture them, you know. So it's just,

844
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's tough. Yeah, I understand why these players can't.

845
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: It would happen for sure. That's what happened is in

846
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: authoritarian government.

847
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: Now. I have had some couple of conversations with certain

848
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 2: people where they're like, well, you know, Zelenski's just as bad,

849
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, well, I'm like, hold on a second.

850
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: So there are were they Russians who were saying this.

851
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say, but there was. I remember

852
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: that line told to me by someone who is not

853
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: of Americans or certainly in this sphere.

854
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: To be fair, Americans, Americans can't necessarily point out Russia

855
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Speaker 1: and the place not maps.

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Speaker 2: So you know, Americans definitely should not be throwing the

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Speaker 2: first stone in a glasshouse. Okay, you say that about

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Speaker 2: every country, but American in particular.

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Speaker 1: We've we've, along with the British, have conducted so many atrocious,

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Speaker 1: you know, war crimes ourselves. And I say this sort

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Speaker 1: of as a Canadian, but yes, we as Americans are

862
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Speaker 1: uh you know, responsible for destabilizing the entirety of South America.

863
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: Going on adventures in the Middle East for oil that

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Speaker 1: have resulted in pain suffering. But it is terrible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to now we're going to get to

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Speaker 2: from every American now telling everyone.

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Speaker 1: No Americans don't care.

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Speaker 2: Can you can you tell me one wait in the

869
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Speaker 2: last week that you've got there where you're just like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: this is stepping out of the line a little bit

871
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Speaker 2: too far for people out there.

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Speaker 1: There was some threats to my child's life that felt like, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I got a lot of like attempts from

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Speaker 1: to be hacked in. Your account is attempting to be

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Speaker 1: hacked in from uh three different places, one of which

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Speaker 1: was in Serbia, but not all of them. And it's

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Speaker 1: just kind of like, oh man, hey guys, if I'm

878
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Speaker 1: your if I'm your worst nightmare for pointing out, what

879
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: are you know, the the war Crimes Tribunal in the

880
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: Hague would would very clearly you know, back up, then

881
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: you got bigger frist to pry. I don't know, like

882
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: my kid.

883
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Speaker 2: Listen like you, madam, you and me both. I don't

884
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Speaker 2: have a kid, thank god, because if they threatened my kid,

885
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Speaker 2: I might actually get on a plane to Serbia myself

886
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: but but I've had my eyestalker in the last couple

887
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Speaker 2: of days talking me and my partner with some just

888
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: off the off the wall, crizy.

889
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Speaker 1: Shit not related to politics, not related.

890
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Speaker 2: To politics now just to straight up all they psychopat loon.

891
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Speaker 2: So you know, we've had our share.

892
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Speaker 1: But you know what, here we are, we're still talking

893
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: about tennis. We're still sharing our opinions, some of which

894
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: you're informed by personal experience and some of what your opinions.

895
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: But either way, I'm delighted to get to talk tennis

896
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Speaker 1: with you, because there is and I'd say this every time,

897
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Speaker 1: but I think it's always true. There's never a better

898
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: time to be a tennis fan. We have such amazing

899
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: tennis to watch, we have such amazing characters to come.

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Speaker 1: And I can't tell you the amount of people who've

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Speaker 1: come up to me and said, hey, I just started

902
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: watching Breakpoint. Hey I caught some of the Australian Open. Hey, like,

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00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: are you going to Indian Wells this year? Hey, what

904
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: tournament should I go to? Should I skip Miami and

905
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Speaker 1: go to Charleston? You know, like just just you know,

906
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Speaker 1: it's wonderful, like to me, Yeah, well Miami is now

907
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: in a parking lot that's sinking into the swamp, and

908
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: they moved it out of the actual city of Miami.

909
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Speaker 1: So if that is a consideration for one thousand percent,

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Speaker 1: skive Miami until they move it back to the city

911
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Speaker 1: and go to Charleston, which is a lovely place with

912
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: incredible food and has a fantastic, fantastic tournament or some

913
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Speaker 1: other tournament that has some kind of connection to the

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Speaker 1: local city that it's in. And by the way, the

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Speaker 1: tournament organizedations in Miami. I'm sure you guys are in

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Speaker 1: a hot spot because of all the family who owns

917
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Speaker 1: Scranton Park and the city and politics and stuff. But

918
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: do better because that Dolphins stadium setup is atrocious. And

919
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Speaker 1: you know what, I will say, less is more and

920
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Speaker 1: move on to praising the tournaments that do a great

921
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Speaker 1: job Indian Wells, Charleston at Roland Garros. You know, like,

922
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Speaker 1: there's just so much to look forward to, and this

923
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Speaker 1: is part the part of the year where things, you know,

924
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: get a little bit more in my time zone, so

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Speaker 1: I get a little bit more excited. I don't that's

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Speaker 1: all I'll say about Australia, but it's exciting to have

927
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Speaker 1: tenness back blah blah blah blah blah.

928
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Speaker 2: Just admit that Clay is on its way.

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Speaker 1: Clay is on its way.

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Speaker 2: So for everyone out there that listens to our podcast,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much. Thank you for watching my show.

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Speaker 2: If you do five pm every weekday, I do talk

933
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Speaker 2: a lot of tennis, so please tune in. And I

934
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Speaker 2: have some great guests this week to talk all things sports, tennis, etc.

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Speaker 2: And Caitlin was my co host for a little bit

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Speaker 2: and then she was amazing actual host for a week.

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Speaker 2: But thanks for listening to us today and also everybody

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Speaker 2: out there, just calm the farm.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. Until next week, we'll have more

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Speaker 1: to discuss RENEE. Any parting shots, parting words.

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Speaker 2: My parting shots are have a good day everyone, and

942
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Speaker 2: calm the farm. We'll see you next week.