WEBVTT - “I CONVERTED RELIGIONS ON A WHIM”

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<v Speaker 1>the episode.

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<v Speaker 2>All from William.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, what's your name?

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<v Speaker 2>William?

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<v Speaker 1>Have we ever spoken before? William?

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<v Speaker 2>We have not? Well, where are you at right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Where am I at right now? I'm I'm I'm under

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean. I'm in the clouds, I'm inside of your brain.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking to you on the telephone. Why hold on?

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<v Speaker 1>Why would you say that I'm in Arizona.

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<v Speaker 2>Because aren't you like on tour or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I I'm I'm I'm I'm on tour on off this

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<v Speaker 1>whole year. But right now I am in an indus.

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<v Speaker 1>I am. I am in a place, sitting in a

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<v Speaker 1>chair talking to you. That's where I consider myself to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Where are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome home? Thanks you for New York City baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, how's that going? So you're in New York City?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there anything in particular that you called in to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about today?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I want to tell you a weird story about me,

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<v Speaker 2>because you're kind of a kindred spirit, a wanderer, a traveler,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have a weird story about like what I've

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<v Speaker 2>been traveling since I was like nineteen or something, just

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<v Speaker 2>basically like wandering around the world, like moving places and

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<v Speaker 2>doing weird shit. And I want to tell you about

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<v Speaker 2>like the weirdest think one of the weirdest things that's

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<v Speaker 2>happened to me, you know, the adventurous.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, tell me the story.

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<v Speaker 2>So, like I just like broke up with this girl

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<v Speaker 2>I was dating for ten years. So I just like

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<v Speaker 2>was flipping out, like totally, like one of those moments

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<v Speaker 2>where you just like your identity is totally malleable, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I like I flipped out. Went to India and

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<v Speaker 2>my second night there, like like I just had spent

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<v Speaker 2>one full day there and was kind of like, Damn,

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<v Speaker 2>India kind of sucks or something, you know, because you

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<v Speaker 2>always did when you first get somewhere, before you start

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<v Speaker 2>having fun.

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<v Speaker 1>And tell me, I want to know what so you

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<v Speaker 1>you were when you were there the first day? What

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<v Speaker 1>was it that that you felt sucked about India?

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing sucked. It's just you travel like kind of to

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<v Speaker 2>escape at times, and I find that it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>annoying because you realize, oh, I'm still here in India.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true. Everything that's true, everything you're escaping from tends

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<v Speaker 1>to follow you in a sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like life always, you know, like there's this right

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<v Speaker 2>I think the Buddha says, uh. People will say, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>go here or go go there, But I tell you

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<v Speaker 2>the truth, the whole world is burning. I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>real talk, bro.

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<v Speaker 1>But are you okay? Hold on? Are you old? Are

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<v Speaker 1>you okay? What is up with you?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm just nervous, dude. This is I just called

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<v Speaker 2>like seventeen times like, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't know you sound I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>just I couldn't tell if you were doing a bit

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<v Speaker 1>or something, because you know, I'm gonna taking you up full.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm taking you up at full at uh face value here,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would I would be so upset with you

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<v Speaker 1>at the very end of it. Okay, Okay, it's if

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<v Speaker 1>you're It's like, I appreciate that if you're naturally just

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<v Speaker 1>a weird guy. I'm I'm a weird guy too. I

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<v Speaker 1>invite that. I just I don't know if you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>a bit. But okay, so you realize that India didn't suck.

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<v Speaker 1>Your life just sucked.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean sort of. But I mean life is

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<v Speaker 2>cool too. But uh so I went to sleep in

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<v Speaker 2>this hostel and then this this dude comes in, these

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<v Speaker 2>like two Muslim dudes, and they start like praying super

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<v Speaker 2>loud and stuff. It's which is something that's happened in

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<v Speaker 2>my travels, Like Muslim guys just like pray openly and

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<v Speaker 2>the and it's like annoying.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's interesting because I always thought of prayers in prayer,

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<v Speaker 1>prayer's kind of a quiet activity. How are they praying?

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<v Speaker 1>Loud should be.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's like kind of flex like it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like flexing, like they'll do it like right in front

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<v Speaker 2>of everybody. But whatever, you know, DEAs drum and it eventually,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the story leads to me becoming Muslim. So

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<v Speaker 2>I so this guy, like he shined a light in

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<v Speaker 2>my face and was just like you were very handsome,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he was like, I want you to come

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<v Speaker 2>to work with me tomorrow. And I was like, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm just trying to be open to new experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm like, okay, yeah, like sure, I'll go to

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<v Speaker 2>work with you tomorrow whatever that means.

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<v Speaker 1>And I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that. I wake up the next day, I

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<v Speaker 2>go with him and we're in Ludbay and it turns

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<v Speaker 2>out he's like this wholesaler and he like owns a

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<v Speaker 2>cosmetic small in this other town called Suda and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I go, I'm walking around with him and

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<v Speaker 2>move by through these like all these areas like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I would never normally get to go to. You know that,

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<v Speaker 2>like you don't you don't see any tourists and like

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<v Speaker 2>it's getting really like sketchy, like going through like really

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<v Speaker 2>like poor parts of town and just and more than that,

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<v Speaker 2>just like India is fucking crazy. Man, Like you've got

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<v Speaker 2>to go to India. It's like amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so so this man just to catch usf So

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<v Speaker 1>this You are sleeping in your hostel and a man

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<v Speaker 1>wakes you up by telling you that you're very handsome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you kind of had a crust on me.

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<v Speaker 1>But this sound this you that sounds like you were

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<v Speaker 1>like his easiest human trafficking victim.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, dude, exactly, because I was in the right head

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<v Speaker 2>space too, So you'll see all this it basically it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of what happened. But so, uh, I'm going around

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<v Speaker 2>with him these wholesalers, and I'm like his like token

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<v Speaker 2>white guy. Like he's like, look like I have an

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<v Speaker 2>American with me, and I'm like at the time, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like working in construction for like years, and he's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>like tell him you're in the construction business. Like he's

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<v Speaker 2>like he's like introducing me me to people as if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like Donald.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump or something, right right right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I'm like, yeah, you own the company I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>well make like, yeah, fifteen dollars an hour, but uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like yeah, sure, man, like I'll help you flex

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<v Speaker 2>and it's working. They're all like very impressed, like wow,

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<v Speaker 2>where'd you find this white guy? And at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>I had like guy fieddi like frosted tips, so I

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<v Speaker 2>looked even more freakish. Like when you're in India, like

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<v Speaker 2>everyone stares at you already just if you're like a foreigner,

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<v Speaker 2>but I looked like a extra weird foreigner. So people

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<v Speaker 2>are just like what the fuck is that? Like everywhere

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<v Speaker 2>I go, and I was out there for a while,

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<v Speaker 2>so it was like a constant thing. But so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so then he starts like taking me to mosque and

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<v Speaker 2>and we get into one and and it's there's something

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<v Speaker 2>really sweet about it because you kind of has to

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<v Speaker 2>like argue to like even get me past the past.

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<v Speaker 2>The people even let me in. They're like, no, that

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<v Speaker 2>guy's not coming into the mosque, and he's like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ticking them in, like get out the way.

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<v Speaker 3>Like this is my brother. It was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was adorable, and it was really like it came

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<v Speaker 2>from a really good hearted place, I feel, and and

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<v Speaker 2>so but you know, to go in the mosque and

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<v Speaker 2>to pray. You know, it's like call to prayer time,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I had to say the prayer to like

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<v Speaker 2>become Muslims. So I said that this prayer.

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<v Speaker 1>Well when hold on, you said you had to say

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<v Speaker 1>the prayer to become so you're you. So so let

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<v Speaker 1>me get this straight. So within the span of like

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<v Speaker 1>how within the span of a day for.

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<v Speaker 2>This is four hours. Yeah, with a four.

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<v Speaker 1>Hour span, you're sleeping in a hostel, a man wakes

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<v Speaker 1>you up by telling you, and you go with him

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<v Speaker 1>to a mosque and convert to Islam on the spot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it's like, well, it's it'd be awkward to

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<v Speaker 2>back out now, I'm already we already like fought to

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<v Speaker 2>get me in here. So it's like, yeah, fuck it,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say the prayer. And it's like what can I lose?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like I'm down. I'm I'm really down to

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<v Speaker 2>just go deep when I travel and just like fucking

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<v Speaker 2>let it consume me. You know, that's the whole point.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't by the way, I don't think that's a

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<v Speaker 1>bad idea at all. You look, you only have one life.

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<v Speaker 1>You might as well try out all the religions exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, and and dude, Islam is beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>Like okay, so I so you you got you this

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<v Speaker 1>this this guy I brings you into his mosque is

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<v Speaker 1>to argue with the guys there to get you in

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<v Speaker 1>and then you say a prayer and what happens after that?

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<v Speaker 2>So so then I go in and I, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I do the whole prayer like where with all you

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<v Speaker 2>know that you see with all the dudes like lined

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<v Speaker 2>up on the ground like in rows, and I'm praying

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<v Speaker 2>in these they're like ancient mosque like and when you're

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<v Speaker 2>in there praying, it feels like it's like two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>years ago or something like. And I was having like

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<v Speaker 2>feeling these really like intense, profound feelings, you know, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh shit, this is like pretty real.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not like a big fan of dogma or anything,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was like I was like, whoa, Like maybe

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<v Speaker 2>this is that this is actually it, you know, But

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<v Speaker 2>more than anything, I'm just trying.

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<v Speaker 3>To have an experience.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's kind of blowing my mind. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the day. By the end of the day, he's

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<v Speaker 2>taken me to like eight mosque, you know, and we've

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<v Speaker 2>been praying. You know, I'm already starting to pray like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you know, ten times.

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<v Speaker 3>A day or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even remember the amount, but I'll praying a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in between, like in between all these calls

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<v Speaker 2>he had to make to like buy makeup or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>And and so then we're sitting we'll get to like

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<v Speaker 2>one of the sketchiest neighborhoods We've got to so far,

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<v Speaker 2>I've already prayed like, you know, a bunch of time.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm super Muslim already. And he's introducing me to everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, this is my new Muslim friend. And and

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<v Speaker 2>then I get he takes me in his room with

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<v Speaker 2>the sketchiest dudes like smoking clove cigarettes, and like, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, yeah, this is my new Muslim friend. He's American.

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<v Speaker 2>He's an American businessman. And then he asked me in

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<v Speaker 2>front of these guys, He's like, will you change your

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<v Speaker 2>name to Mohammad? And I'm like, and I was just

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<v Speaker 2>being spineless at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like no, you're you're you're you're in you'redeed.

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<v Speaker 1>If he asked you to change your name, you're doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, and it's just like I was like, okay, yeah, fine,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm mohammed, you know, just to get him off my

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<v Speaker 2>fucking back because if I say no, I'm like, it

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of scary, you know, like I felt really pressured.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you

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<v Speaker 1>a question. Okay. So at this point where this may

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<v Speaker 1>okay again, a man wakes you up in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the night, tells you you're very handsome and to

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<v Speaker 1>come with him. You are our heartbroken. You have nothing

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<v Speaker 1>else going on in your life, so you are walking

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<v Speaker 1>down any path that presents itself to.

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<v Speaker 2>You exactly, man.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And so then then he takes you on a tour

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<v Speaker 1>of ten different musques. You pray at all of them,

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<v Speaker 1>and then is this is this all? Is this all

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<v Speaker 1>on one day?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>This is day one?

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<v Speaker 1>And then he and then the man asked you to

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<v Speaker 1>change your name like in that momd like, did you

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<v Speaker 1>where did you think this was all going in your head?

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<v Speaker 1>Don't tell me where I did. I want to get

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<v Speaker 1>to where it actually went, but where did you? Didn't

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<v Speaker 1>give up? He said, you didn't care.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm just like, I'm when ship like that happens

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<v Speaker 2>with me, man, I just go like yes, like I

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<v Speaker 2>thank God, like anytime some wild, like chaotic shit happens

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<v Speaker 2>around me, Like I went to jail like last month

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<v Speaker 2>and it sucks, like random mood and it sucked, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was like I like thank God for that shit,

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<v Speaker 2>like when it when it doesn't actually hurt me. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just like, because that's what I want out of life, man,

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<v Speaker 2>those like real ass insane experiences, like I want that

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<v Speaker 2>till the day die, you know, And That's what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>looking for. And uh so I'm just like yeah, yeah sure.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he's like and then he asked me, I

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<v Speaker 2>want you. I'm I have this like meeting I do

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<v Speaker 2>yearly his cousin mall is called Nur Group. And he says,

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to come to come to my hometown

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow and and you're gonna stay with me at my

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<v Speaker 2>family house for a week, and I want you to

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<v Speaker 2>give an inspirational speech to two hundred people. And he said,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still in front of the sketchy scary dudes after

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<v Speaker 2>I changed my name to Muhammad, and I was like okay,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah sure, and so I locked that in. We get

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<v Speaker 2>out and I start like questioning, like holy shit, this

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<v Speaker 2>is like, sou like, what am I doing? Like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just on fucking vacation, and I'm like roped into this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Mohammed and I'm Muslim. Like I realize

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<v Speaker 2>it's insane, and and I get kind of mad, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, dude, listen, like I'm not Muslim, my name's

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<v Speaker 2>not Mohammed, and I'm not gonna like go give this

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<v Speaker 2>fucking inspirational speech.

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<v Speaker 3>Him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then he was like okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And you know this this place Sadat it's called the

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<v Speaker 2>Diamond City, and the merchants from there are like known

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<v Speaker 2>for being great salesman. So this man was a very

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<v Speaker 2>convincing man. Is this stout, like ugly guy who's always

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<v Speaker 2>like drooling, like this ship that he has in this

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<v Speaker 2>like tobacco shit he has in his lip. But he's

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<v Speaker 2>like a powerful dude, you know. And and he's like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not Muslim and not Mohammed, but please like come

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<v Speaker 2>back with me in my hometown and get this inspirational speech.

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<v Speaker 2>And I gave in. I fucking gave in, man, And so, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I go with him to his hometown. He has this

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<v Speaker 2>little he has this like teenage assistant with him. Dude

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<v Speaker 2>that's hanging out with us all day and I go

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<v Speaker 2>with him out to Saddat and.

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<v Speaker 4>We get there.

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<v Speaker 2>I keep like praying every day in the mosque and

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<v Speaker 2>like and in between, Like you don't only pray in

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<v Speaker 2>the mosque, you put pray at like these places, at

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<v Speaker 2>gas stations, there's like a spot everywhere to pray, play

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<v Speaker 2>in your house, but basically just pray a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of every day.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you're and let me ask you, when you're

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<v Speaker 1>praying every single day, Okay, you're just you started practicing

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<v Speaker 1>Muslim a day ago and you're praying at gas stations,

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<v Speaker 1>You're praying everywhere you get the chance to pray. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you actually do? Are you have you like internally

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<v Speaker 1>submitted yourself to to to Islam at this point? Like

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<v Speaker 1>what do you actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Because the thing is man like the I'm just like

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<v Speaker 2>I I was raised Christian, I still like Christianity. I've

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<v Speaker 2>went to Buddhist retreats, I've taken ayahuasca. Like I love

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<v Speaker 2>like all religions. I love Hinduism, love Ramdas, I love

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<v Speaker 2>all that shit. I love Islam Like I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>make distinctions, like to me, wisdom is wisdom and God

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<v Speaker 2>is God, and like dogma really bothers me, like religiosity

0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.760
<v Speaker 2>bothers me, and that part really bothered me. But there's

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<v Speaker 2>some type of sacred transmission in that whole ceremony, Like

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<v Speaker 2>there's this cleaning ceremony before you play, and it's all

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<v Speaker 2>like symbolic, and I was just having to watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so many like moves you have to know, So

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<v Speaker 2>every time I pray, if you will be looking at

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<v Speaker 2>me like he doesn't know what he's doing, and you

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<v Speaker 2>kind of have to like look around and like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I wash my feet on and then I go in

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<v Speaker 2>here and I do this move and then that that move,

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<v Speaker 2>and you do this weird stuff where you like pray

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<v Speaker 2>for your memory and like for your eyes and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was just deep and and so and then

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like hanging out with this guy's family, like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in his home now, and it turns out he's like

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<v Speaker 2>the richest fucking dude in this town. We're rolling around

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<v Speaker 2>in like benz is and it's funny, like you drive

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<v Speaker 2>a Benz in India and you just fucking like scrape

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<v Speaker 2>it up against motorcycles. You just basting shuit up, like,

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<v Speaker 2>but this guy, can I ask can I ask you?

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<v Speaker 1>What is this? So this guy? Okay, so what's the

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<v Speaker 1>name of his hometown again, Surat?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And he you met him in Mumbai?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>So how far away? How far away was are those

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<v Speaker 1>two places?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was like a like a five hour

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<v Speaker 2>train ride or something. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So so if this what the hell is this guy?

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<v Speaker 1>If he's the richest guy in this town, what the

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<v Speaker 1>hell is he doing at a random tourist hostel in Mumbai?

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<v Speaker 2>Because because it's fucking India, Man, I don't know. It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>what what's like rich in India in Sudha is not

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<v Speaker 2>the same as what's rich in America?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Okay, okay, I want to hear the kund

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<v Speaker 1>of a buddy.

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<v Speaker 3>What well?

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<v Speaker 1>No, go ahead, go ahead, you talk.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of a baller thing, it seemed like to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Even to be in like a hostel, It's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like the rich kids of India are more likely to

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<v Speaker 2>be found there than you know, poor people. Yeah, this

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<v Speaker 2>is where the westerners stay and stuff that is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of follower in India. I feel like I could be wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Indian people might be like this guy doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>know what he's talking about, but this is just my impression.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you're in I'm just going to keep an

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<v Speaker 1>ups in the city wrong, but you know what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about. So you're in this guy's hometown.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm staying with his like wife and kids. He's

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<v Speaker 2>given me my own room and like he's like made

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<v Speaker 2>me a part of his family. Like I'm praying there's

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<v Speaker 2>like structure in my life. Like this is me coming

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<v Speaker 2>out of one of the most flipped out, like manic

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<v Speaker 2>depressed parts of my life. And I've just like stopped

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<v Speaker 2>talking to my mom, my two best friends, broke up

0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:09.159
<v Speaker 2>with a girlfriend of ten years, lost her family. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I was alone in the world at this time. And

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a philosophy among Muslim people of like of

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<v Speaker 2>like welcoming people and giving to people, and they and

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<v Speaker 2>Indian people are like this too, and they just like

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<v Speaker 2>gave me everything and welcomed me completely. And it was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm playing with his little nephews and it's

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm like these people love me, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like I have a place here and and it's just

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<v Speaker 2>like it's all kind of like makes a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 2>And so basically he's like he even he's like taking

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<v Speaker 2>me to these like Muslim scholars and shit, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like talking to them about what like confuses me about

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<v Speaker 2>the Quran and stuff, and I'm going deep. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the conclusion of all this was I they

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<v Speaker 2>had that big meeting with two hundred people, and I

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<v Speaker 2>gave the fucking inspirational speech. I wrote it that morning.

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<v Speaker 4>I wrote it that morning in bed, and then went

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<v Speaker 4>to this place with all these people that worked at

0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:33.880
<v Speaker 4>a small it is cosmetic small, and I wrote some

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<v Speaker 4>fucking dumb ass speech about like hard work and like

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<v Speaker 4>the value of that even small job to have value.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I kind of like bombed, like because they

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<v Speaker 4>didn't even need to hear me tell them about hard work.

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<v Speaker 2>Like they were already crying, like because they're so like

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<v Speaker 2>passionate about their job, Like they didn't need me telling

0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:56.359
<v Speaker 2>them this ship. But you know, I tried.

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<v Speaker 3>I sent it this weird fucking.

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<v Speaker 2>Guy fory I had like my hair reached back. I

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<v Speaker 2>went gave me a suit, I got like a fucking

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<v Speaker 2>haircut of shape.

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<v Speaker 1>So you basically came in here like they thought like

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<v Speaker 1>so the guy was he was saying, this man works

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<v Speaker 1>in the construction business, making everyone think that you are

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<v Speaker 1>like like you're Donald if you own some kind of

0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:24.399
<v Speaker 1>giant construction enterprise.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's using me to his leverage because not only

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<v Speaker 2>it's such a big deal to people that he's getting

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<v Speaker 2>this light American dude to be a Muslim, like he's

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<v Speaker 2>scoring hard, like that's the biggest flex.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine, do you remember can I hear? Do you have

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<v Speaker 1>any lines from this speech? Do you have it? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you still have it?

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<v Speaker 3>Man?

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<v Speaker 2>They fucking recorded it, but they got they ended up

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<v Speaker 2>getting too mad at me that they didn't give it

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<v Speaker 2>to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I how did they? Okay, so did this take a turn?

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<v Speaker 1>Do people get mad at you after this?

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever?

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<v Speaker 2>Really take a turn? Like super dramatically. But ultimately, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this was the end of like my seventh day or something.

0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:13.600
<v Speaker 2>And by now they've offered me like they're like, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a part of our family now and and we

0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:21.040
<v Speaker 2>think that you belong here. We think you're people are

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<v Speaker 2>telling me, we think you're gonna be a great Muslim,

0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:28.080
<v Speaker 2>like influential Muslim. And I was like, you know, like

0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:31.840
<v Speaker 2>they're like showing me these Westerners that like became Muslim,

0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:34.000
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, this is a path for you. And

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<v Speaker 2>you're you're gonna work at our cosmetics mall, You're gonna

0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:41.080
<v Speaker 2>be an international businessman. You're going to travel like around

0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Europe and India and Africa buying from wholesalers. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be like one of the top guys at our company.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to live in my house and you're gonna

0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:52.560
<v Speaker 2>be a part of my family. And we're gonna get you.

0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:56.200
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna have up We're gonna get you a wife,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can have up to three wives. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>So all this shit was sounded pretty damn nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait he told you that he was gonna give you

0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:08.439
<v Speaker 1>three wives.

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<v Speaker 3>Up to three.

0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:10.480
<v Speaker 2>It's like if the one isn't good then you can

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<v Speaker 2>get another.

0:24:11.560 --> 0:24:12.960
<v Speaker 3>If two isn't good.

0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:17.080
<v Speaker 2>Enough, you can get like a third or something. So

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, this was all sounding pretty I mean, fuck, dude,

0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:23.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm like twenty four years old at this time.

0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:25.600
<v Speaker 2>Like that sounds like a pretty damn good life.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I was gonna ask guys gonna like when

0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:31.959
<v Speaker 1>they're okay, they're they at that point. I mean, you

0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:33.800
<v Speaker 1>I assume you didn't have a job and you broke

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<v Speaker 1>it up with your girlfriend. At that point, were you

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<v Speaker 1>just like were you considering it? Were you like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and that fuck it, I might just stay here in it.

0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:40.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And it freaked me out because I was just like,

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<v Speaker 2>am I thinking like I felt this whole time, like

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<v Speaker 2>I had my head on my shoulders, Like this wasn't

0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:52.760
<v Speaker 2>even my first rodeo I've been doing. My entire life

0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:54.040
<v Speaker 2>has been weird as fuck.

0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:54.840
<v Speaker 3>So like.

0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:59.560
<v Speaker 2>This is like something that I'm accustomed. This level of

0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:03.199
<v Speaker 2>weirdness is not new to me. So but like but

0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:06.880
<v Speaker 2>I was like, am I like being brainwashed or something? Like,

0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:11.880
<v Speaker 2>am I okay? Like this is this okay? And what

0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:14.919
<v Speaker 2>it was freaky because I was like, I think I

0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:17.960
<v Speaker 2>might actually fucking do this, Like I think I might

0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:23.080
<v Speaker 2>actually stay here. So but then after the last I

0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:26.960
<v Speaker 2>give that speech, and then I had decided that I

0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:29.720
<v Speaker 2>needed to leave this town for a little bit to

0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:33.040
<v Speaker 2>think on my own. Because the thing is, the whole

0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:36.639
<v Speaker 2>time I was there, I was never left alone, like

0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:40.760
<v Speaker 2>only in my bedroom, but I had like sofurs everywhere,

0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:43.720
<v Speaker 2>like I had a chaperone at all times, to the

0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:47.520
<v Speaker 2>point where I almost couldn't think straight. Like I wasn't like, like,

0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:49.040
<v Speaker 2>first of all, I have a shit some the like

0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:51.800
<v Speaker 2>diary and stomach problems because I just got to India.

0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:55.639
<v Speaker 2>They're feeding me a fucked hunt, like literally force feeding

0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:59.600
<v Speaker 2>me with their hands, and said, and I'm not sleeping

0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:05.280
<v Speaker 2>that that much. Like these like Muslim people know how

0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:08.760
<v Speaker 2>to fucking party, like without alcohol and stuff like they

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:11.080
<v Speaker 2>just kind of just stay up and just like work

0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:14.360
<v Speaker 2>their fucking ass off his prey a ton. So it's

0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:16.480
<v Speaker 2>like it gets you into this kind of like state

0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:20.560
<v Speaker 2>and and I was like, I need to go be

0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:24.600
<v Speaker 2>alone and like consider what's going on right now. And

0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:26.760
<v Speaker 2>it was right when it was about to be Ramadan.

0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 2>So they were like, we want you to stay at

0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:33.199
<v Speaker 2>least one more month for Ramadan. And I was like

0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:34.919
<v Speaker 2>it was kind of if I did that, it was

0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:36.800
<v Speaker 2>like game over. You know. Of course I was going

0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:39.359
<v Speaker 2>to like stay for the rest of my life after

0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:45.400
<v Speaker 2>one month of Ramadan. But so so I was like, nah,

0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:49.640
<v Speaker 2>I gotta leave. I had this beautiful moment with them

0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:52.680
<v Speaker 2>with the family one last night, like reading the Koran.

0:26:53.600 --> 0:26:56.320
<v Speaker 2>His like brother gave me these beads and he said,

0:26:56.359 --> 0:26:59.240
<v Speaker 2>like if you don't even if you don't come back

0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:01.240
<v Speaker 2>or while you're thinking about this, I want you to

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:03.359
<v Speaker 2>take these beads and every day I want you to

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:10.840
<v Speaker 2>chance Yahadi Yahadi Yahadi and yah Rahim yah Rahim yah Rahim.

0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:16.440
<v Speaker 2>I said, I don't know. It's something something some type

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:21.680
<v Speaker 2>of prayer or for like help from God's very sweet.

0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it was cool, man, it's this is all I

0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:30.840
<v Speaker 2>love Islam. Islam as cool as fuck. But but yeah,

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:34.919
<v Speaker 2>I uh so, I just get out. Well it the

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:38.280
<v Speaker 2>morning I told everybody was gonna leave, and then the

0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:40.680
<v Speaker 2>morning I was gonna leave, I wake up and it's

0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:44.560
<v Speaker 2>the first morning I can't find sucking anybody to give

0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 2>me the ride to the train station, even though that's

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:49.479
<v Speaker 2>what we all talk about me doing the day before.

0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Like suddenly everyone's gone, Like suddenly everyone's gone. And I

0:27:57.920 --> 0:28:01.360
<v Speaker 2>was like, all right, fuck this, put on my backpack,

0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:03.919
<v Speaker 2>packed my ship, and I walked myself to the train station.

0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:11.080
<v Speaker 2>And then this man, my protector, my patron, the.

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Guy from the guy from the very beginning.

0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:19.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the guy who loves me, and he uh he

0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:22.320
<v Speaker 2>just was like text me like what you've done is

0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:25.520
<v Speaker 2>very bad, Like he was pissed, and he's like, dude,

0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 2>I just told you I was gonna do this, but

0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 2>I bet he got it made him real mad, and

0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 2>he was like he was mad. I mean, he probably

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:36.600
<v Speaker 2>would have like accepted me back if I changed my mind,

0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:39.120
<v Speaker 2>but he was. He was really heartbroken about it.

0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:39.400
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:42.280
<v Speaker 2>I think they all kind of were because in their eyes,

0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 2>like for me to not become a Muslim is like

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:49.600
<v Speaker 2>it's like cursing myself to hell, you know, so like

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:54.960
<v Speaker 2>and and this guy, like it sounds all like ulterior motives,

0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:57.840
<v Speaker 2>but I think this man actually was like really cared

0:28:57.880 --> 0:29:01.120
<v Speaker 2>about me and was really trying to help me. So

0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:04.400
<v Speaker 2>it was like it was sad for them because it's like,

0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:09.360
<v Speaker 2>damn all right, man, Like you're kind of fucked though.

0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:12.920
<v Speaker 2>You know. He told me before I left, you know,

0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:16.600
<v Speaker 2>he's like, you know, all this peace, you're feeling, all

0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:22.320
<v Speaker 2>this love, you know it's gonna be gone when you

0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:25.400
<v Speaker 2>leave here. And I mean he was sort of right

0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:27.880
<v Speaker 2>because it was his home, it was this base. But

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:31.120
<v Speaker 2>the thing is is that I wasn't allowed to have

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:36.800
<v Speaker 2>an identity there, Like I'm I never tested this, but

0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:39.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm like bisexual. Like what would these people think if

0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:43.360
<v Speaker 2>I told the most bisexual or what if you know,

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:47.719
<v Speaker 2>like or just what if these people knew who I

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:54.520
<v Speaker 2>really am, and and if they wouldn't, they probably wouldn't

0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:57.160
<v Speaker 2>even have responded any type of way except for just

0:29:57.200 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 2>shut up, don't talk about that, and like in line,

0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 2>and it was like that big break when I was

0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 2>twenty four, I had to hit this big moment where

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:09.720
<v Speaker 2>I was sick of that, you know, like I had

0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:12.480
<v Speaker 2>to say fuck everything to be free. So it's like,

0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:15.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to just like lock myself down again

0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:20.400
<v Speaker 2>right as I begin exploring. So then I just went

0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:23.120
<v Speaker 2>continued traveling in India and went and did a bunch

0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 2>of other really weird.

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Huh. So this is fascinating because and you know, you

0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 1>said at the beginning that we're kindred spirits, and I

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 1>know exactly what you're talking about when you're like I

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:45.600
<v Speaker 1>am on the hunt for you know, experiences and things

0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:51.080
<v Speaker 1>that are you know, out of out of my ordinary. Yeah,

0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:53.720
<v Speaker 1>I identify with you on that. And it's funny to

0:30:53.760 --> 0:31:01.480
<v Speaker 1>me because like I'm sure people listening to this probably

0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:03.800
<v Speaker 1>probably and you you said it yourself, You're like, I

0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 1>know it sounds ulterior motive, and I'm sure people listening

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 1>to this have all kinds of theories and reactions to

0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:13.960
<v Speaker 1>the things that you're talking about, and and these ideas

0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 1>of how there might be some ulterior motive going on

0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:23.360
<v Speaker 1>in there, because it's just so it's just so strange,

0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:28.040
<v Speaker 1>like why is this guy in a in a in

0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:32.240
<v Speaker 1>a tourist hostel five hours away from where he lives

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:38.000
<v Speaker 1>and asks you it's just so many, so many questions.

0:31:38.040 --> 0:31:41.680
<v Speaker 1>You just don't have answers to them. And you were there,

0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:43.680
<v Speaker 1>you lived it, and yet you still look at it,

0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 1>and you, even after having had some time to look

0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:53.080
<v Speaker 1>at this from outside, you still think to yourself, you know,

0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:59.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't think there was an ulterior motive. I genuinely

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:03.240
<v Speaker 1>believe that this guy felt as though or.

0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:06.080
<v Speaker 2>It could be both, could it could be a.

0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 1>Combination of both, but just you saying you genuinely felt

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:15.960
<v Speaker 1>as though this guy uh wanted you to have a

0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:19.160
<v Speaker 1>better life, just because that's the kind of guy he is,

0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:22.200
<v Speaker 1>and just because that's the kind of you know.

0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 2>He wanted me to have a better life, and he

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:31.400
<v Speaker 2>wanted to flex that he got this uh, white kid

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:35.720
<v Speaker 2>to become a Muslim, and he wanted me to be

0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:39.480
<v Speaker 2>like his token in business. And I think he had

0:32:39.480 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a gay crush on me.

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:45.240
<v Speaker 1>But in addition, you think hold on you, you just

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:47.520
<v Speaker 1>brought that, you think he had a gay crush on you,

0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 1>just vaguely.

0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Just vaguely. Oh fuck, I shouldn't even say that. Man,

0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:57.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna like dock this guy. God damn it.

0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:02.560
<v Speaker 1>I guar look, even the most sophisticated fucking private agent

0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:04.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't think could determine where this guy is from

0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:07.280
<v Speaker 1>based on this story. Although I don't know. This town

0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 1>sounds kind of small. What's the name of it.

0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:16.360
<v Speaker 2>Let's forget about that, all right, Well the city you mean, yeah,

0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 2>the city.

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you something. So I let me ask

0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:21.000
<v Speaker 1>you a question. If he came on to you, how

0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:21.960
<v Speaker 1>would you have reacted.

0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:27.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. He's pretty gross. He's like this stout,

0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:30.840
<v Speaker 2>like he had this like gnarled face, like talked in

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:33.440
<v Speaker 2>this like really loud, like raspy. Boy.

0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:35.640
<v Speaker 1>I can't tell how you feel about you know, I

0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:37.480
<v Speaker 1>can't tell how you feel about this guy because on

0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 1>one hand, you talk about him like you're with with

0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:44.640
<v Speaker 1>like uh, suspicion, but you also talk about him with

0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:49.680
<v Speaker 1>like love and genuineness, because both are true.

0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:53.520
<v Speaker 2>Man, that's been that's like, that's my experience of everything. Man,

0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Like it's I feel like everything is true?

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Do you have have you texted? Has this guy texted

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 1>you since? How long? How long ago was this?

0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:09.520
<v Speaker 3>First of all, this was this was like four years ago, like.

0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Twenty eight Now has he texted you since?

0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:13.799
<v Speaker 3>No?

0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 2>Because that was like my Indian phone and he got.

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:17.360
<v Speaker 3>It for me.

0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:20.880
<v Speaker 1>So you you don't even have any way of getting

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:22.799
<v Speaker 1>like if you if you woke, if you.

0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:25.120
<v Speaker 2>I could go the Let me ask you what.

0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:28.560
<v Speaker 1>In the past four years, In the past four years,

0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:30.440
<v Speaker 1>have you ever woken up in the middle of the

0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:33.320
<v Speaker 1>night and been like I should have taken the offer

0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:37.319
<v Speaker 1>for the three wives and the and and out the

0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:38.319
<v Speaker 1>Bentley and all. No.

0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:45.120
<v Speaker 2>No, but you know I do. I do consider getting

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:48.359
<v Speaker 2>back into Islam because I kind of want to go

0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:55.120
<v Speaker 2>do Hajj and go to Mecca because that just sounds insane,

0:34:55.280 --> 0:35:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Like just like people have no I idea how trippy

0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Islam is. Like I've done all that shit and like

0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:06.759
<v Speaker 2>it's one of the you know, it's as trippy as

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:10.440
<v Speaker 2>taking DMG or something, and it's very deep. You know,

0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:14.919
<v Speaker 2>all these like all these dogmatic religions have a very

0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 2>mystical and true aspect to them, you know, and just

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:22.319
<v Speaker 2>like going to Mecca would be insane. But I think

0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:24.880
<v Speaker 2>I would need to practice a lot because you can't

0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:27.439
<v Speaker 2>go there unless you're a Muslim, you know, So I'd

0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:30.680
<v Speaker 2>need to be a real Muslim. And so I think

0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:33.840
<v Speaker 2>about it, and I think about becoming a Muslim again.

0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:35.719
<v Speaker 2>But it's weird because.

0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:35.839
<v Speaker 3>It's like.

0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how people would feel about me, even

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:44.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't think that's really kosher, even for

0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:46.480
<v Speaker 2>a guy like me, like that one foot one out,

0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:49.520
<v Speaker 2>one foot in, one foot out, like with many religions.

0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 2>And that's what kind of annoys me about many religions

0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:58.719
<v Speaker 2>is like this, uh, this lack of like nuance in

0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:02.799
<v Speaker 2>the thinking and like this all these rules and it's

0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:07.440
<v Speaker 2>like like it's it's kind of sad to me that

0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:11.520
<v Speaker 2>Islam is so dogmatic because it's so rich and it's

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:12.000
<v Speaker 2>so funny.

0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:14.600
<v Speaker 1>Can you I'm like I feel like I'm I feel

0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:18.080
<v Speaker 1>like I have a thirty percent understanding of what that

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:18.680
<v Speaker 1>word means.

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:23.000
<v Speaker 2>You keep using it dogmatic, yes, like you know, just

0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:26.520
<v Speaker 2>buy the book, you know, by the rules, like look

0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:30.200
<v Speaker 2>like you know and like and like shame, shame, shame,

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:33.440
<v Speaker 2>and you fucked up and you know, like I walked

0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:36.120
<v Speaker 2>into I walked into a mosque with like a tear

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:38.879
<v Speaker 2>in my pants, and that's like a massive faux pas.

0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Not that that's even you know, but just I wish,

0:36:43.320 --> 0:36:45.960
<v Speaker 2>I wish like some of the goodness of some of

0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:50.759
<v Speaker 2>these like great religious traditions could be like shared with more.

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:52.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean Christianity too.

0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:54.840
<v Speaker 1>You're trying to you you're trying to you're trying to

0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:59.680
<v Speaker 1>alacart the religions exactly. Yeah, which you know, I don't

0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:02.319
<v Speaker 1>think that's anything wrong. I mean, I mean, look, here's

0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:05.319
<v Speaker 1>in the grand scheme of things. You could make a

0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:10.000
<v Speaker 1>religion called william Ism and you could go ahead and

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:11.680
<v Speaker 1>be what you believe.

0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Be called William's Way, Williams Way.

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:18.239
<v Speaker 1>Why did you go to jail last month?

0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh dude, I I uh I Have you heard of

0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:25.640
<v Speaker 2>this app random Nautica?

0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:27.600
<v Speaker 1>No, what is that?

0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:32.440
<v Speaker 2>It's like an app that like generates random GPS coordinates

0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:34.359
<v Speaker 2>and so.

0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:39.120
<v Speaker 1>Like it sounds like that sounds like the start of

0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:40.799
<v Speaker 1>how somebody went to jail for sure.

0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just love it. You've got to

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:46.200
<v Speaker 2>try it out. It's like right up your you have

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:49.040
<v Speaker 2>to try it. But uh so, I don't know if

0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:52.080
<v Speaker 2>you've ever gotten to like chaos magic or anything like that.

0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:56.040
<v Speaker 2>But the idea is, if you know William Burrows and

0:37:56.719 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 2>do like if you create randomness, if you do things

0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:06.760
<v Speaker 2>that create randomness, it invokes like synchronicity and like magic,

0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:10.759
<v Speaker 2>like if you if you do that, you know the

0:38:10.920 --> 0:38:12.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you've heard of the cut up technique,

0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:16.240
<v Speaker 2>but you if you cut a newspaper up and separate

0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:19.279
<v Speaker 2>all the words and then like jumble them together, it's

0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:22.520
<v Speaker 2>like that it will try it will speak to you,

0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:26.200
<v Speaker 2>you know. So it's like, uh, the GPS coordinates when

0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 2>you when you do something random, when you break out

0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:32.799
<v Speaker 2>of the matrix by doing something you normally wouldn't do,

0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:37.759
<v Speaker 2>weird shit will happen. Like test it, like to everybody

0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 2>out there, I dare you to go. Try to think

0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:43.200
<v Speaker 2>of something you would never do and do it and

0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:47.120
<v Speaker 2>see if some weird ass shit doesn't happen. I promise

0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:51.200
<v Speaker 2>you it will, you know. And so we're going around

0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:54.440
<v Speaker 2>doing this random nautica thing, and you know, we found

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:57.799
<v Speaker 2>some abandoned boats at some point, and then me and

0:38:57.840 --> 0:39:00.480
<v Speaker 2>my friend Wan and then we went into this like

0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:05.719
<v Speaker 2>waste processing plants and we like acted like we worked there,

0:39:05.880 --> 0:39:08.200
<v Speaker 2>Like I was like pretending to talk on the phone,

0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:11.319
<v Speaker 2>and like we got in and and then we were done.

0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:15.319
<v Speaker 2>We had this big adventure exploring Brooklyn. And then at

0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:19.440
<v Speaker 2>the very end of the night, we we went to

0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:22.120
<v Speaker 2>our last stop and we hopped a hopped the fence

0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:28.200
<v Speaker 2>into a construction uh whatever, construction site, and we got

0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:29.080
<v Speaker 2>fucking arrested.

0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:29.399
<v Speaker 3>Dude.

0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:32.520
<v Speaker 2>Those things are posted up, and we got arrested hard,

0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:37.880
<v Speaker 2>and it was so scary. It sucked getting arrested dude.

0:39:37.760 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 4>In New York.

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:40.520
<v Speaker 1>I liked.

0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:41.040
<v Speaker 3>I like that.

0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:42.680
<v Speaker 1>You're like, you know, man, if you go out of

0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:46.120
<v Speaker 1>your way, crazy things will happen, like getting arrested for trespassing.

0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:48.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, exactly.

0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:52.640
<v Speaker 2>But but but we were looking for adventure, man, and

0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:53.440
<v Speaker 2>we found it.

0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:57.680
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, I you look man, I'm look I

0:39:57.800 --> 0:39:59.360
<v Speaker 1>like you, man. I like the way you think.

0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:00.719
<v Speaker 3>Right. This is.

0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Uh, you're you're you're out there to live. Uh, you know,

0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:09.560
<v Speaker 1>all the days of your life. I respect that.

0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:13.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean there's a lot of off days. But I'll

0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:15.600
<v Speaker 2>get pumped again. I'll get the bravery back.

0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:17.440
<v Speaker 1>What do you do for a Do you have a

0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:18.920
<v Speaker 1>job or a girlfriend?

0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 3>Now?

0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, I do you have elements to your life

0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:24.640
<v Speaker 1>that are I assist of.

0:40:25.160 --> 0:40:27.319
<v Speaker 2>That's like one thing I made. I've been making art

0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:31.080
<v Speaker 2>for like years. I'm trying to do I'm trying to

0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:34.319
<v Speaker 2>be like a big painter in New York City, and

0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:37.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm really on and off about that goal because it's like, fuck,

0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:40.640
<v Speaker 2>I just want to go through random ship, but there's

0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:43.920
<v Speaker 2>like this gravity that keeps pulling me back to painting.

0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:48.640
<v Speaker 2>So if anybody in New York or Brooklyn knows a place,

0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:51.799
<v Speaker 2>like has a space where I can do an art show,

0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:55.560
<v Speaker 2>I've got a bunch of badass paintings and I'm gonna

0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:58.279
<v Speaker 2>make a whole bunch more. So, please reach out to me.

0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:00.520
<v Speaker 2>If you've got a spot, I can your show.

0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:05.440
<v Speaker 1>You're like, you're like David Show, I do, dude.

0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:08.480
<v Speaker 2>David Show made a huge impact. That's what started me

0:41:08.520 --> 0:41:10.840
<v Speaker 2>on a lot of this ship. Bro. I watched Thumbs

0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:14.399
<v Speaker 2>Up when I was like, I watched that one movie

0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:16.719
<v Speaker 2>where he gets like lost in Alaska.

0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:22.240
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm talking about. Im up is yeah, yeah.

0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:26.280
<v Speaker 2>But then yeah, I watched the Thumbs Up right before

0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:30.520
<v Speaker 2>I graduated high school, and I was like, damn, Like, yeah,

0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:33.560
<v Speaker 2>he's one of the goodus for sure, man, he's one

0:41:33.560 --> 0:41:35.040
<v Speaker 2>of the heroes. And you are too.

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:35.359
<v Speaker 3>Man.

0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:36.920
<v Speaker 1>I was just watching you.

0:41:36.840 --> 0:41:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Like, I was just watching you like walk around in Japan,

0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:45.040
<v Speaker 2>and I was just like, damn, like I gotta get

0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 2>back out there. I gotta shake some ship up.

0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah you know what, fuck man, I I I that's

0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:54.600
<v Speaker 1>that's cool that you you liked the Japan stuff. I

0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:56.279
<v Speaker 1>still need to like put edit that and put it

0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:58.719
<v Speaker 1>on YouTube, but yeah, I loved I love doing that

0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:00.359
<v Speaker 1>kind of shiit of just I mean, that's what's cool

0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:02.560
<v Speaker 1>about the Gecko costume is like I can go out

0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:06.560
<v Speaker 1>anywhere and just people will start talking to me, and

0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:08.719
<v Speaker 1>you know that that leads you to all kinds of

0:42:09.880 --> 0:42:13.480
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of adventures and whatnot. Well, okay, what's your

0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:14.960
<v Speaker 1>do you if you want? If you want, do you

0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:17.759
<v Speaker 1>want to plug yourself? Do you have an art thing? Yeah,

0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:18.319
<v Speaker 1>you can do.

0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:21.320
<v Speaker 2>I've got like an art I g it's not really

0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:28.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm better. I'm better than it shows. But like I

0:42:28.239 --> 0:42:32.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm not very like I've never really like given a

0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:34.799
<v Speaker 2>lot of time in my marketing or whatever. But yeah,

0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:38.600
<v Speaker 2>I'll plug my thing and somebody fucking give me a room.

0:42:38.680 --> 0:42:42.000
<v Speaker 2>I can show some art and a big white box.

0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:46.640
<v Speaker 1>You can. Why look, man, you know there's Google and

0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:49.520
<v Speaker 1>Craigslist and ship right, this is the worst possible avenue

0:42:50.120 --> 0:42:50.880
<v Speaker 1>for you to be asked.

0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe maybe I'm.

0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:54.360
<v Speaker 1>What's what's your Instagram?

0:42:56.320 --> 0:42:59.799
<v Speaker 2>William Way one two three four.

0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:03.319
<v Speaker 1>William Way one tooth before? All right, man, I'll check

0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:03.600
<v Speaker 1>you out.

0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:05.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go on it right now and I'm gonna

0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:10.520
<v Speaker 2>post a picture of me at the giving the inspirational

0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:11.919
<v Speaker 2>speech you.

0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Have you have the photo of that.

0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:17.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, not like me and you're crazy.

0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, well all right, before we go, what's your

0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:25.759
<v Speaker 1>what's next for you? What's your wit? You told you

0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:27.440
<v Speaker 1>had you told me that you had a job, and

0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:28.960
<v Speaker 1>I fucking forgot what you said.

0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:32.640
<v Speaker 2>It was I assist a painter. I assist one of

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:35.640
<v Speaker 2>my heroes. It is art assistant.

0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:40.120
<v Speaker 1>Okay, nice? What's next for you? What's your big What's

0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:43.120
<v Speaker 1>what's next in your life? William?

0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, there's a there's a little fork like I'm I'm

0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:51.600
<v Speaker 2>trying to I'm like, I'm like either gonna go to

0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:57.880
<v Speaker 2>art school in Germany. There's a school called like stable

0:43:57.920 --> 0:44:02.319
<v Speaker 2>school I'm trying to give into or or if that

0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:04.160
<v Speaker 2>if I don't get in I think I'll just like

0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:08.480
<v Speaker 2>go like travel, Like I'm like, you know, about to

0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:12.920
<v Speaker 2>be fucking thirty, so it's like I want to spend

0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:16.160
<v Speaker 2>like if I'm not in art school, you know, sistering

0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:22.719
<v Speaker 2>the Thief, then I'm going to just like go like

0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:25.919
<v Speaker 2>travel aimlessly for another year.

0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:31.120
<v Speaker 1>Probably that's cool Africa. It's so funny. I'm like, I'm

0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:34.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm only twenty five, and I'm like feeling like, oh

0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:37.400
<v Speaker 1>am I getting too old to because I did a

0:44:37.480 --> 0:44:40.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of like, you know, I I this this you know,

0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:43.239
<v Speaker 1>this kick that you're talking about of like I want

0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:46.560
<v Speaker 1>to just go to a foreign country and like see

0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:49.839
<v Speaker 1>what the fuck is going on and like what maybe

0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:52.400
<v Speaker 1>I talk go try to talk to this person I

0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't normally talk to and see where that leads me.

0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:57.759
<v Speaker 1>I was, I was really on that kick when I

0:44:57.800 --> 0:45:00.960
<v Speaker 1>was like twenty and that I was readly on that

0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:03.160
<v Speaker 1>kick a lot. You know, the Gacko got me back

0:45:03.200 --> 0:45:05.360
<v Speaker 1>on that kick because the gecko makes doing that stuff,

0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:08.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, a lot, a lot easier because again, you know,

0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:10.480
<v Speaker 1>when I cost people want to talk to me, and

0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:11.960
<v Speaker 1>I also I've excuse me to do it and they

0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:13.480
<v Speaker 1>can film it and put it up there, you know.

0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:17.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's great when you confuse the two. That's like

0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:20.000
<v Speaker 2>what I've had a hard time finding is like I

0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:24.239
<v Speaker 2>love making art, and I'm like annoyingly like I don't know,

0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:27.040
<v Speaker 2>like as much as I want to travel, I'm always

0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:29.759
<v Speaker 2>like forcing myself. There's this weird part of my like

0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:34.200
<v Speaker 2>other brain that like forces me to like sit down

0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:36.960
<v Speaker 2>and like do projects and try to like accomplish things.

0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:39.839
<v Speaker 2>And it's like somehow I need to learn to I'm

0:45:39.880 --> 0:45:42.200
<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out how to respect both of those

0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:45.600
<v Speaker 2>forces in my life because they're both seem they both

0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:46.520
<v Speaker 2>seem necessary.

0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:50.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, me too, man, No, me too. I'm I'm I'm

0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:52.759
<v Speaker 1>like you know, I mean, I'm sitting here in this

0:45:52.920 --> 0:45:57.000
<v Speaker 1>studio talking to you, which is located in a place

0:45:57.080 --> 0:46:01.040
<v Speaker 1>like we said, yeah, and it's like I could fucking

0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:04.880
<v Speaker 1>could like go to I don't know, uh uh uh

0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Iceland and try to you know, stream from there and

0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:11.400
<v Speaker 1>do my stuff. I mean that's what That's what I

0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:16.279
<v Speaker 1>really want to do, man. I Yeah, yeah, I I

0:46:16.400 --> 0:46:18.040
<v Speaker 1>I loved it, Like I said that that that's gonna

0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:19.520
<v Speaker 1>be kind of my I think I think I want

0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:21.560
<v Speaker 1>it to be. My focus for next year is making

0:46:21.600 --> 0:46:24.120
<v Speaker 1>more of those kinds of videos, because you're right, man,

0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:27.799
<v Speaker 1>there is this like one of the big uh kind

0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:30.239
<v Speaker 1>of back and forth you know, in my head has

0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:34.279
<v Speaker 1>been the the desire to sit my ass down and

0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:38.880
<v Speaker 1>create some sort of foundation for my existence and then

0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:41.520
<v Speaker 1>the desire to do the opposite and just you know,

0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:47.040
<v Speaker 1>screw off to somewhere and bop around. But yeah, you know,

0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:50.399
<v Speaker 1>I mean also, you know, especially considering that how how

0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:56.120
<v Speaker 1>imminent our deaths are. Yeah, it's cool, but it's also,

0:46:56.239 --> 0:46:59.319
<v Speaker 1>by the way, it's also horrifically depressing. Sometimes, you know,

0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:02.760
<v Speaker 1>sometimes you alone, so like you were saying, dude, it's uh,

0:47:02.800 --> 0:47:08.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, sometimes you're just alone in Remember I was like,

0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:12.560
<v Speaker 1>I went, I was alone, and uh, Paris is really

0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:14.120
<v Speaker 1>fucking sad on a bench.

0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:17.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it could be really depressing.

0:47:17.560 --> 0:47:19.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I was just like, what the fuck am

0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:22.439
<v Speaker 1>I doing right now? But there's something, there's like there's

0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:23.920
<v Speaker 1>life in that, you know.

0:47:24.200 --> 0:47:28.480
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, absolutely, it's like, yeah, I mean, at the

0:47:28.560 --> 0:47:31.640
<v Speaker 2>end of the day, I feel like I've been trying

0:47:31.719 --> 0:47:38.160
<v Speaker 2>to like take my focus from like to the present

0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:41.600
<v Speaker 2>to the present moment, like just trying to get more

0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:46.080
<v Speaker 2>because because ultimately all that ship, like I've done like

0:47:46.080 --> 0:47:49.160
<v Speaker 2>like a ship ton of adventures and like had lots

0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:53.000
<v Speaker 2>of like pleasure and even like accomplished some cool things

0:47:53.000 --> 0:47:55.200
<v Speaker 2>I really wanted to do with art and stuff. And

0:47:56.640 --> 0:48:01.400
<v Speaker 2>it's like it's never it's it's so fleeting, like you

0:48:01.440 --> 0:48:04.600
<v Speaker 2>can go to you could go to fucking wherever for

0:48:04.680 --> 0:48:06.480
<v Speaker 2>two years and have the time in your life, and

0:48:06.520 --> 0:48:09.120
<v Speaker 2>then the thing is it's like over, you know, So

0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:12.720
<v Speaker 2>it's true, and then you're back, You're back where you started,

0:48:12.800 --> 0:48:16.480
<v Speaker 2>and that like that never stops, like you'll always find

0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:21.600
<v Speaker 2>yourself back in the room just with yourself. And so

0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:24.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to be and and I've spent so

0:48:25.080 --> 0:48:27.920
<v Speaker 2>I've wasted a lot of energy and time just like

0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:32.840
<v Speaker 2>wanting to be somewhere else and that that that feeling

0:48:32.880 --> 0:48:36.040
<v Speaker 2>will chase you everywhere you go and there's nothing like

0:48:36.120 --> 0:48:37.759
<v Speaker 2>you have to address it head on.

0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:43.000
<v Speaker 1>It's true. Well that's what I feel like, is when

0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:46.200
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about trying to combine the two, like you know,

0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:50.200
<v Speaker 1>can I build something or be or can I can

0:48:50.239 --> 0:48:55.239
<v Speaker 1>I be creating something while I'm on these adventures, you know,

0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:58.399
<v Speaker 1>that'll make it seem like I've I've progressed my life

0:48:58.440 --> 0:49:00.440
<v Speaker 1>in some way shape or form, but I you know,

0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:02.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, look, you say you're back where you started,

0:49:02.719 --> 0:49:08.480
<v Speaker 1>but uh, I mean you have progressed your life in

0:49:08.520 --> 0:49:10.520
<v Speaker 1>some way, shape or form. You put yourself out there,

0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:15.919
<v Speaker 1>you know a little bit more about the world around you. Yeah,

0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:19.520
<v Speaker 1>you've met No, it's not a waste of time, and

0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:22.400
<v Speaker 1>I think it's a great use of time. But also

0:49:22.400 --> 0:49:24.160
<v Speaker 1>to the to the point of trying to be present.

0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:26.320
<v Speaker 1>I was I think I have said this on the

0:49:26.320 --> 0:49:28.799
<v Speaker 1>podcast before, so whatever, but I was on a walk

0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:33.080
<v Speaker 1>with my mom the other day and my dog, and

0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:36.000
<v Speaker 1>it was like a sunny day outside, and I was

0:49:36.080 --> 0:49:39.439
<v Speaker 1>just like in my hometown and I remember just thinking

0:49:39.480 --> 0:49:42.120
<v Speaker 1>to myself, like, you know, it was it was. It

0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:46.200
<v Speaker 1>was pretty much the complete opposite of like some crazy

0:49:46.239 --> 0:49:48.160
<v Speaker 1>adventure in a place I've never been to. It's the

0:49:48.200 --> 0:49:50.640
<v Speaker 1>opposite of that, but it was. It was so beautiful,

0:49:50.680 --> 0:49:52.720
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, oh, if this is the best

0:49:52.719 --> 0:49:56.120
<v Speaker 1>that life gets, this is pretty goddamn good. I could

0:49:56.120 --> 0:49:59.600
<v Speaker 1>spend I could spend the whole lifetime, you know, trying

0:49:59.680 --> 0:50:02.799
<v Speaker 1>to to be uh, you know, grateful for just this

0:50:03.440 --> 0:50:06.200
<v Speaker 1>instead of all this trying to be like, what's the

0:50:06.239 --> 0:50:10.120
<v Speaker 1>next crazy thing I can go and do? So I

0:50:10.360 --> 0:50:12.800
<v Speaker 1>also struggle with that big back and forth of should

0:50:12.800 --> 0:50:15.719
<v Speaker 1>I be happy where I am or should I go

0:50:15.800 --> 0:50:19.000
<v Speaker 1>try and go to fucking Mars.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the funny thing is it's like you might as well,

0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:26.160
<v Speaker 2>like while you're not on the trip, like exer, start

0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:30.160
<v Speaker 2>exercising that muscle of just like because like a lot

0:50:30.160 --> 0:50:32.440
<v Speaker 2>of the best fucking moments in life are literally just

0:50:32.480 --> 0:50:36.799
<v Speaker 2>like like being on the bus, like listening to reggae,

0:50:36.960 --> 0:50:39.239
<v Speaker 2>staring out the window and you feel really good for

0:50:39.360 --> 0:50:42.600
<v Speaker 2>no reason, you know, And it's like that's a lot

0:50:42.640 --> 0:50:43.960
<v Speaker 2>of the best moments. They don't like.

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<v Speaker 1>Require like a whole you like do you have do

0:50:47.200 --> 0:50:49.760
<v Speaker 1>you have dreadlocks? I'm imagining you with dreadlocks now.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not at all, dude.

0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:54.959
<v Speaker 1>What's your name again?

0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:58.640
<v Speaker 2>William William? Super nice to meet you, bro.

0:50:58.920 --> 0:51:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Nice to meet you too.

0:51:01.160 --> 0:51:03.160
<v Speaker 2>I'll try to go to a live show and meet you.

0:51:03.320 --> 0:51:07.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm coming to Brooklyn. I'm coming to brose sell out so.

0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:10.919
<v Speaker 2>Quick and I'm like so bad at getting it in time.

0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:13.919
<v Speaker 1>This is the fucking the ticket survivable now anyway, whatever,

0:51:14.120 --> 0:51:16.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna make this think about my tour. Okay,

0:51:17.120 --> 0:51:19.000
<v Speaker 1>uh William is good talking to you, man. I hope

0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:22.640
<v Speaker 1>you figure out your stuff. I'll check out. What was it? William?

0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:24.720
<v Speaker 1>One two three your.

0:51:24.560 --> 0:51:29.160
<v Speaker 2>Way one two three four A box to show my

0:51:29.320 --> 0:51:30.120
<v Speaker 2>art and please?

0:51:30.719 --> 0:51:34.399
<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, good talking, you will, good luck and

0:51:36.000 --> 0:51:39.640
<v Speaker 1>fucking praise a lot. Is that what they say?

0:51:40.600 --> 0:51:40.759
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

0:51:40.800 --> 0:51:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, praise as on the way coon.

0:51:44.360 --> 0:51:45.319
<v Speaker 1>All right, man, you take care.

0:51:46.080 --> 0:51:46.200
<v Speaker 2>Hi.

0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:52.160
<v Speaker 1>I like that guy. He was cool, made me think

0:51:52.160 --> 0:51:58.879
<v Speaker 1>about stuff, made me think about wanting to go out

0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:00.719
<v Speaker 1>into the university. I like, you know, I don't know

0:52:00.760 --> 0:52:03.600
<v Speaker 1>the way he was talking about that family and the

0:52:03.640 --> 0:52:07.200
<v Speaker 1>whole experience he had with that guy where he felt

0:52:07.239 --> 0:52:13.800
<v Speaker 1>as though that guy's intentions were genuine in a sense,

0:52:13.920 --> 0:52:18.160
<v Speaker 1>even though the circumstances surrounding it were, you know, definitely bizarre.

0:52:20.120 --> 0:52:22.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't I don't think any of

0:52:22.600 --> 0:52:25.040
<v Speaker 1>us will know unless if somebody listening to this is like,

0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:29.040
<v Speaker 1>is lives in that city that he mentioned and he

0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:31.880
<v Speaker 1>was like, this is a thing here. So I don't know,

0:52:32.480 --> 0:52:36.680
<v Speaker 1>but thanks for Sharon William.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, Hey, yo, what's up man?

0:52:39.080 --> 0:52:39.520
<v Speaker 1>How you doing?

0:52:39.600 --> 0:52:39.759
<v Speaker 3>Dude?

0:52:39.760 --> 0:52:40.319
<v Speaker 1>What's going on?

0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:43.480
<v Speaker 3>So there's a lot of going on. Man, I just

0:52:43.480 --> 0:52:49.239
<v Speaker 3>got a brain, new job, right, cool and fucked up

0:52:49.239 --> 0:52:54.759
<v Speaker 3>my first day how so, so I decide to say,

0:52:54.840 --> 0:52:57.759
<v Speaker 3>he fuck it, I'm a smoke on my first date,

0:52:58.760 --> 0:53:00.240
<v Speaker 3>which was kind of fuck.

0:53:01.960 --> 0:53:04.640
<v Speaker 1>H okay, what do you do? What do you do?

0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:09.120
<v Speaker 3>So? I so? I? So I decided to smoke a

0:53:09.160 --> 0:53:11.719
<v Speaker 3>bowl before you know? So, what's word?

0:53:13.120 --> 0:53:14.239
<v Speaker 1>What do you What do you do for work?

0:53:15.480 --> 0:53:17.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh? I used to work at Wendy's and now I

0:53:17.560 --> 0:53:17.839
<v Speaker 3>go as.

0:53:17.760 --> 0:53:18.279
<v Speaker 2>Far as from there.

0:53:18.320 --> 0:53:20.640
<v Speaker 1>So all right, so you decided, So you got a

0:53:20.719 --> 0:53:22.400
<v Speaker 1>job at Wendy's, and your very first d at Wendy's,

0:53:22.440 --> 0:53:25.520
<v Speaker 1>you decided to smoke a ball before work? Yeah, yeah,

0:53:25.560 --> 0:53:26.799
<v Speaker 1>I continue, How did that work out for you?

0:53:28.160 --> 0:53:33.400
<v Speaker 3>So? My boss he knows when people are high. So

0:53:33.560 --> 0:53:37.000
<v Speaker 3>whenever I got there, all he saw was my eyes

0:53:37.040 --> 0:53:39.400
<v Speaker 3>fucking bloodshot red, and I was just fucked. I was like,

0:53:39.520 --> 0:53:43.759
<v Speaker 3>oh shit, I got new from the day I got

0:53:43.800 --> 0:53:45.160
<v Speaker 3>on there fired.

0:53:48.640 --> 0:53:54.440
<v Speaker 1>Do your eyes usually get bloodshot red when you get high?

0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:55.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:58.360
<v Speaker 1>So you have to understand, if you're the manager at Wendy's,

0:53:58.440 --> 0:54:03.440
<v Speaker 1>you have seen your fair share of very high people,

0:54:04.120 --> 0:54:06.640
<v Speaker 1>and so clearly he would know what you would look

0:54:06.680 --> 0:54:09.040
<v Speaker 1>like if you were high. And that's where I think

0:54:09.040 --> 0:54:12.000
<v Speaker 1>you made your your most quintessential mistake.

0:54:13.239 --> 0:54:14.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't know.

0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:18.759
<v Speaker 3>What's like, got there that he knew people were high?

0:54:19.239 --> 0:54:22.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean everybody that he at least seventy five

0:54:22.520 --> 0:54:24.319
<v Speaker 1>percent of the people he interacts with on a daily

0:54:24.320 --> 0:54:30.839
<v Speaker 1>basis are extremely high. Yeah all right, So uh so

0:54:30.880 --> 0:54:33.200
<v Speaker 1>he just knew? Did you? Did you deny it at all?

0:54:33.239 --> 0:54:35.360
<v Speaker 1>Did you just say that, like, I mean, it's allergy season.

0:54:35.360 --> 0:54:36.640
<v Speaker 1>You had a pretty good excuse there.

0:54:38.080 --> 0:54:40.080
<v Speaker 3>I did say, yeah, I had allergies. He's like, don't

0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:40.719
<v Speaker 3>fuss the man.

0:54:40.840 --> 0:54:45.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm like shit, so he So it sounds as though

0:54:45.440 --> 0:54:47.719
<v Speaker 1>you resigned to this fairly quickly, like without a fight,

0:54:47.840 --> 0:54:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Like you tried the allergy thing and then immediately you're

0:54:50.480 --> 0:54:52.080
<v Speaker 1>just like, nah, you're right, I'm high.

0:54:53.280 --> 0:54:57.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because he knew I didn't have lergies. Okay, fuck it.

0:54:59.640 --> 0:55:04.920
<v Speaker 1>I have few questions, you know. I'm also I am

0:55:04.960 --> 0:55:10.040
<v Speaker 1>also guilty of getting high and then immediately being like

0:55:10.239 --> 0:55:12.560
<v Speaker 1>I should not have gotten high just now. I don't

0:55:12.560 --> 0:55:14.040
<v Speaker 1>get high before I do this. I've said that a

0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:19.120
<v Speaker 1>bunch of times. But I will like get high before

0:55:19.160 --> 0:55:21.720
<v Speaker 1>going to hang out with someone or before going into

0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:25.120
<v Speaker 1>some kind of setting where I'm like, I don't know,

0:55:25.120 --> 0:55:29.600
<v Speaker 1>why did I get high before this? Why did what

0:55:29.640 --> 0:55:34.399
<v Speaker 1>inspired you to get high before going into your first day?

0:55:35.000 --> 0:55:38.240
<v Speaker 3>I just had a real fucking day, like fucking ship

0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:39.160
<v Speaker 3>was going down.

0:55:39.840 --> 0:55:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Okay, wait what was going down?

0:55:43.160 --> 0:55:48.040
<v Speaker 3>Fucking like my grandpa the other day, just fucking flat out,

0:55:48.440 --> 0:55:50.520
<v Speaker 3>just to the floor.

0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:53.280
<v Speaker 1>He what happened?

0:55:55.840 --> 0:55:58.359
<v Speaker 2>My grandpa fucking died? O day.

0:55:58.360 --> 0:55:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh I'm sorry to hear that, man.

0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:02.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I was just like fucking not having this.

0:56:03.520 --> 0:56:09.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm just lookable, okay, and I'll walk into work and

0:56:10.000 --> 0:56:11.959
<v Speaker 3>mash it up. So now I'm out of a job

0:56:12.640 --> 0:56:13.520
<v Speaker 3>that I'm fucking high.

0:56:14.160 --> 0:56:15.200
<v Speaker 1>So are you high right now?

0:56:16.600 --> 0:56:17.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:56:17.480 --> 0:56:19.960
<v Speaker 1>All right? I kind of figured that do you get

0:56:20.160 --> 0:56:23.920
<v Speaker 1>how often do you high?

0:56:24.520 --> 0:56:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Thank you?

0:56:25.520 --> 0:56:25.719
<v Speaker 3>Man?

0:56:27.960 --> 0:56:29.200
<v Speaker 1>What who who are you talking to?

0:56:31.560 --> 0:56:33.720
<v Speaker 3>Uh no, I'm just talking to you.

0:56:33.719 --> 0:56:36.600
<v Speaker 1>You said you said thank I asked you, okay, I

0:56:36.600 --> 0:56:38.239
<v Speaker 1>I you know, I feel like it's just like you

0:56:38.239 --> 0:56:40.720
<v Speaker 1>didn't answer my question, but you kind of did because

0:56:40.719 --> 0:56:43.000
<v Speaker 1>I asked you how often do you get high? And

0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:45.840
<v Speaker 1>you said thank you man, which in a way is

0:56:45.880 --> 0:56:46.840
<v Speaker 1>an answer to my question.

0:56:49.920 --> 0:56:53.319
<v Speaker 3>So I get high like most of my time, like

0:56:54.000 --> 0:56:55.480
<v Speaker 3>like three times out the fucking week.

0:56:56.520 --> 0:56:58.279
<v Speaker 1>Okay, what do do you are? You do you feel

0:56:58.320 --> 0:56:59.960
<v Speaker 1>like you're trying to escape from reality.

0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:03.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's mostly the big thing.

0:57:04.719 --> 0:57:06.840
<v Speaker 1>I feel that I do the same fucking thing. Dude,

0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:09.960
<v Speaker 1>I get high like every day. I'm trying to stop

0:57:09.960 --> 0:57:16.080
<v Speaker 1>doing that. Yeah, are you talking to somebody else? You're

0:57:16.080 --> 0:57:16.959
<v Speaker 1>confusing me right now.

0:57:17.880 --> 0:57:19.360
<v Speaker 3>No, I'm trying to talk to you. But you go

0:57:19.360 --> 0:57:20.000
<v Speaker 3>ahead first.

0:57:20.960 --> 0:57:25.120
<v Speaker 1>I I I Yeah, I get high all the time

0:57:25.160 --> 0:57:29.680
<v Speaker 1>to escape reality myself. Uh so I understand how to

0:57:29.680 --> 0:57:33.360
<v Speaker 1>stand where that impulse comes from. What are you trying

0:57:33.400 --> 0:57:34.720
<v Speaker 1>to escape about reality?

0:57:36.120 --> 0:57:39.000
<v Speaker 3>Just the fucking stude, because I originally just stopped smoking

0:57:39.960 --> 0:57:42.959
<v Speaker 3>like nicotine. Yeah, I was like, you know, I'm gonna

0:57:42.960 --> 0:57:44.360
<v Speaker 3>get off of that like you no, smoke a little

0:57:44.360 --> 0:57:44.680
<v Speaker 3>bit more.

0:57:46.440 --> 0:57:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, mhmm. This is tough. Yeah, I'm gonna do it.

0:57:51.440 --> 0:57:54.440
<v Speaker 1>So I'm trying to do the exact same thing right now.

0:57:55.320 --> 0:58:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Uh uh huh m hmm. What does anything? What else leaves?

0:58:01.040 --> 0:58:03.800
<v Speaker 1>What else relieves your stress besides just pot?

0:58:05.760 --> 0:58:07.640
<v Speaker 2>Basically just motion? You know.

0:58:09.440 --> 0:58:11.120
<v Speaker 3>A lot?

0:58:09.880 --> 0:58:15.800
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, okay, you know what the problem is is.

0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:22.480
<v Speaker 1>I bet getting high and going fishing is awesome. I

0:58:22.520 --> 0:58:24.240
<v Speaker 1>have no idea what you just said.

0:58:24.200 --> 0:58:24.360
<v Speaker 3>But.

0:58:26.680 --> 0:58:30.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think I think to start to

0:58:30.360 --> 0:58:33.680
<v Speaker 1>start right, I'm not gonna tell you shouldn't get high

0:58:33.680 --> 0:58:35.040
<v Speaker 1>at the time, because I get high at the time.

0:58:35.600 --> 0:58:40.439
<v Speaker 1>But you I think the first step would at least

0:58:40.480 --> 0:58:44.320
<v Speaker 1>be to establish certain situations where you're like, Okay, this

0:58:44.480 --> 0:58:46.360
<v Speaker 1>is off limits forgetting high.

0:58:46.480 --> 0:58:46.600
<v Speaker 2>This.

0:58:47.120 --> 0:58:51.440
<v Speaker 1>I have done the research I have and and I

0:58:51.480 --> 0:58:56.360
<v Speaker 1>can say with with strong anecdotal evidence, that going into

0:58:56.440 --> 0:58:58.680
<v Speaker 1>my job at when they's high is not a good idea.

0:58:59.040 --> 0:59:02.040
<v Speaker 1>I have the I have done. I have done the research,

0:59:02.400 --> 0:59:05.040
<v Speaker 1>and I could say with strong anecdotal evidence that's showing

0:59:05.160 --> 0:59:07.840
<v Speaker 1>up to record this this show and getting high is

0:59:07.840 --> 0:59:09.400
<v Speaker 1>a bad idea. So I don't do that. That's a

0:59:09.480 --> 0:59:15.040
<v Speaker 1>that's a boundary that I have set. But and there's

0:59:15.280 --> 0:59:17.720
<v Speaker 1>other boundaries that I should set, Like I shouldn't fucking

0:59:17.800 --> 0:59:21.520
<v Speaker 1>need to get high before doing any like going to

0:59:21.560 --> 0:59:24.760
<v Speaker 1>the grocery store. Right, that's a boundary I should set.

0:59:24.760 --> 0:59:26.480
<v Speaker 1>I haven't set that boundary yet, but I'm working on it,

0:59:26.520 --> 0:59:31.080
<v Speaker 1>but I have I at least have a firm boundary

0:59:31.080 --> 0:59:33.760
<v Speaker 1>in place of I'm not going to get high before

0:59:33.800 --> 0:59:36.240
<v Speaker 1>I do at least this. Do you have a thing

0:59:36.400 --> 0:59:39.040
<v Speaker 1>do you have, like, like, is there a thing that

0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:41.160
<v Speaker 1>you think you could set that boundary for of like Okay,

0:59:41.160 --> 0:59:44.960
<v Speaker 1>if I get another job, let me least, I'll let me.

0:59:45.000 --> 0:59:49.080
<v Speaker 1>I'll once the shift is over. I'm stealing a bunch

0:59:49.120 --> 0:59:51.240
<v Speaker 1>of French fries and getting high as I can and

0:59:51.280 --> 0:59:53.280
<v Speaker 1>sitting in the parking lot for three hours. Do that,

0:59:54.160 --> 0:59:55.880
<v Speaker 1>But don't get high while you're on the job. Like,

0:59:55.920 --> 1:00:00.720
<v Speaker 1>what's what boundaries can you set? You know what I'm saying? Yeah,

1:00:00.560 --> 1:00:03.280
<v Speaker 1>I feel what's your next move, sir?

1:00:04.440 --> 1:00:06.720
<v Speaker 3>So my next move? This is just like you know,

1:00:06.800 --> 1:00:12.640
<v Speaker 3>not smoke the words like smoke. So like Wednesday and Saturday. No, okay,

1:00:14.280 --> 1:00:16.600
<v Speaker 3>Saturday and Sunday, smoke on those two days.

1:00:17.440 --> 1:00:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Okay, give.

1:00:22.320 --> 1:00:22.360
<v Speaker 3>It?

1:00:22.440 --> 1:00:29.760
<v Speaker 1>Try Yeah for sure, good luck. It's hard if you

1:00:29.840 --> 1:00:31.920
<v Speaker 1>find if you if you have any secrets that you

1:00:31.960 --> 1:00:33.880
<v Speaker 1>discover on your journey, let me know. I'd love to

1:00:34.440 --> 1:00:39.360
<v Speaker 1>make use of them myself. All right, A man, all right, man,

1:00:40.000 --> 1:00:42.960
<v Speaker 1>you take care of your joy. I don't know what

1:00:43.000 --> 1:00:47.000
<v Speaker 1>are you gonna do after this. I'm curious, Probably gonna

1:00:47.000 --> 1:00:49.440
<v Speaker 1>go on the truck. I have no idea what you

1:00:49.480 --> 1:00:51.760
<v Speaker 1>just said, but that sounds fun. You have a good night, man,

1:00:51.800 --> 1:00:58.120
<v Speaker 1>take care of you too. That guy sounds like he

1:00:58.160 --> 1:01:02.440
<v Speaker 1>was about to overdose on weed. Gempink goes on the line,

1:01:02.680 --> 1:01:06.040
<v Speaker 1>taking your phone calls every night them Pink Kip goes

1:01:06.080 --> 1:01:06.840
<v Speaker 1>through on his ride.

1:01:06.920 --> 1:01:08.280
<v Speaker 3>He's teaching you Cloud.

1:01:08.080 --> 1:01:09.040
<v Speaker 1>And your life.

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<v Speaker 2>Money's not ready, an expert