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Speaker 2: All from William.
Speaker 1: Hello, what's your name?
Speaker 2: William?
Speaker 1: Have we ever spoken before? William?
Speaker 2: We have not? Well, where are you at right now?
Speaker 1: Where am I at right now? I'm I'm I'm under
Speaker 1: the ocean. I'm in the clouds, I'm inside of your brain.
Speaker 1: I'm talking to you on the telephone. Why hold on?
Speaker 1: Why would you say that I'm in Arizona.
Speaker 2: Because aren't you like on tour or something.
Speaker 1: I I'm I'm I'm I'm on tour on off this
Speaker 1: whole year. But right now I am in an indus.
Speaker 1: I am. I am in a place, sitting in a
Speaker 1: chair talking to you. That's where I consider myself to be.
Speaker 1: Where are you?
Speaker 2: Welcome home? Thanks you for New York City baby.
Speaker 1: Okay, how's that going? So you're in New York City?
Speaker 1: Is there anything in particular that you called in to
Speaker 1: talk about today?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I want to tell you a weird story about me,
Speaker 2: because you're kind of a kindred spirit, a wanderer, a traveler,
Speaker 2: and I have a weird story about like what I've
Speaker 2: been traveling since I was like nineteen or something, just
Speaker 2: basically like wandering around the world, like moving places and
Speaker 2: doing weird shit. And I want to tell you about
Speaker 2: like the weirdest think one of the weirdest things that's
Speaker 2: happened to me, you know, the adventurous.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, tell me the story.
Speaker 2: So, like I just like broke up with this girl
Speaker 2: I was dating for ten years. So I just like
Speaker 2: was flipping out, like totally, like one of those moments
Speaker 2: where you just like your identity is totally malleable, and
Speaker 2: so I like I flipped out. Went to India and
Speaker 2: my second night there, like like I just had spent
Speaker 2: one full day there and was kind of like, Damn,
Speaker 2: India kind of sucks or something, you know, because you
Speaker 2: always did when you first get somewhere, before you start
Speaker 2: having fun.
Speaker 1: And tell me, I want to know what so you
Speaker 1: you were when you were there the first day? What
Speaker 1: was it that that you felt sucked about India?
Speaker 2: Nothing sucked. It's just you travel like kind of to
Speaker 2: escape at times, and I find that it's kind of
Speaker 2: annoying because you realize, oh, I'm still here in India.
Speaker 1: It's true. Everything that's true, everything you're escaping from tends
Speaker 1: to follow you in a sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like life always, you know, like there's this right
Speaker 2: I think the Buddha says, uh. People will say, you know,
Speaker 2: go here or go go there, But I tell you
Speaker 2: the truth, the whole world is burning. I think that's
Speaker 2: real talk, bro.
Speaker 1: But are you okay? Hold on? Are you old? Are
Speaker 1: you okay? What is up with you?
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm just nervous, dude. This is I just called
Speaker 2: like seventeen times like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: No, I don't know you sound I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just I couldn't tell if you were doing a bit
Speaker 1: or something, because you know, I'm gonna taking you up full.
Speaker 1: I'm taking you up at full at uh face value here,
Speaker 1: and I would I would be so upset with you
Speaker 1: at the very end of it. Okay, Okay, it's if
Speaker 1: you're It's like, I appreciate that if you're naturally just
Speaker 1: a weird guy. I'm I'm a weird guy too. I
Speaker 1: invite that. I just I don't know if you're doing
Speaker 1: a bit. But okay, so you realize that India didn't suck.
Speaker 1: Your life just sucked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean sort of. But I mean life is
Speaker 2: cool too. But uh so I went to sleep in
Speaker 2: this hostel and then this this dude comes in, these
Speaker 2: like two Muslim dudes, and they start like praying super
Speaker 2: loud and stuff. It's which is something that's happened in
Speaker 2: my travels, Like Muslim guys just like pray openly and
Speaker 2: the and it's like annoying.
Speaker 1: But that's interesting because I always thought of prayers in prayer,
Speaker 1: prayer's kind of a quiet activity. How are they praying?
Speaker 1: Loud should be.
Speaker 2: But it's like kind of flex like it's kind of
Speaker 2: like flexing, like they'll do it like right in front
Speaker 2: of everybody. But whatever, you know, DEAs drum and it eventually,
Speaker 2: you know, the story leads to me becoming Muslim. So
Speaker 2: I so this guy, like he shined a light in
Speaker 2: my face and was just like you were very handsome,
Speaker 2: and then he was like, I want you to come
Speaker 2: to work with me tomorrow. And I was like, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm just trying to be open to new experiences.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, okay, yeah, like sure, I'll go to
Speaker 2: work with you tomorrow whatever that means.
Speaker 1: And I like that.
Speaker 2: I like that. I wake up the next day, I
Speaker 2: go with him and we're in Ludbay and it turns
Speaker 2: out he's like this wholesaler and he like owns a
Speaker 2: cosmetic small in this other town called Suda and uh,
Speaker 2: and so I go, I'm walking around with him and
Speaker 2: move by through these like all these areas like you know,
Speaker 2: I would never normally get to go to. You know that,
Speaker 2: like you don't you don't see any tourists and like
Speaker 2: it's getting really like sketchy, like going through like really
Speaker 2: like poor parts of town and just and more than that,
Speaker 2: just like India is fucking crazy. Man, Like you've got
Speaker 2: to go to India. It's like amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so so this man just to catch usf So
Speaker 1: this You are sleeping in your hostel and a man
Speaker 1: wakes you up by telling you that you're very handsome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you kind of had a crust on me.
Speaker 1: But this sound this you that sounds like you were
Speaker 1: like his easiest human trafficking victim.
Speaker 2: Well, dude, exactly, because I was in the right head
Speaker 2: space too, So you'll see all this it basically it's
Speaker 2: kind of what happened. But so, uh, I'm going around
Speaker 2: with him these wholesalers, and I'm like his like token
Speaker 2: white guy. Like he's like, look like I have an
Speaker 2: American with me, and I'm like at the time, I'm
Speaker 2: like working in construction for like years, and he's like, okay,
Speaker 2: like tell him you're in the construction business. Like he's
Speaker 2: like he's like introducing me me to people as if
Speaker 2: I'm like Donald.
Speaker 1: Trump or something, right right right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm like, yeah, you own the company I mean,
Speaker 2: well make like, yeah, fifteen dollars an hour, but uh,
Speaker 2: I'm like yeah, sure, man, like I'll help you flex
Speaker 2: and it's working. They're all like very impressed, like wow,
Speaker 2: where'd you find this white guy? And at the time,
Speaker 2: I had like guy fieddi like frosted tips, so I
Speaker 2: looked even more freakish. Like when you're in India, like
Speaker 2: everyone stares at you already just if you're like a foreigner,
Speaker 2: but I looked like a extra weird foreigner. So people
Speaker 2: are just like what the fuck is that? Like everywhere
Speaker 2: I go, and I was out there for a while,
Speaker 2: so it was like a constant thing. But so yeah,
Speaker 2: so then he starts like taking me to mosque and
Speaker 2: and we get into one and and it's there's something
Speaker 2: really sweet about it because you kind of has to
Speaker 2: like argue to like even get me past the past.
Speaker 2: The people even let me in. They're like, no, that
Speaker 2: guy's not coming into the mosque, and he's like I'm
Speaker 2: I'm ticking them in, like get out the way.
Speaker 3: Like this is my brother. It was.
Speaker 2: It was adorable, and it was really like it came
Speaker 2: from a really good hearted place, I feel, and and
Speaker 2: so but you know, to go in the mosque and
Speaker 2: to pray. You know, it's like call to prayer time,
Speaker 2: and so I had to say the prayer to like
Speaker 2: become Muslims. So I said that this prayer.
Speaker 1: Well when hold on, you said you had to say
Speaker 1: the prayer to become so you're you. So so let
Speaker 1: me get this straight. So within the span of like
Speaker 1: how within the span of a day for.
Speaker 2: This is four hours. Yeah, with a four.
Speaker 1: Hour span, you're sleeping in a hostel, a man wakes
Speaker 1: you up by telling you, and you go with him
Speaker 1: to a mosque and convert to Islam on the spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's like, well, it's it'd be awkward to
Speaker 2: back out now, I'm already we already like fought to
Speaker 2: get me in here. So it's like, yeah, fuck it,
Speaker 2: I'll say the prayer. And it's like what can I lose?
Speaker 2: You know, like I'm down. I'm I'm really down to
Speaker 2: just go deep when I travel and just like fucking
Speaker 2: let it consume me. You know, that's the whole point.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I don't by the way, I don't think that's a
Speaker 1: bad idea at all. You look, you only have one life.
Speaker 1: You might as well try out all the religions exactly.
Speaker 2: Man, and and dude, Islam is beautiful.
Speaker 1: Like okay, so I so you you got you this
Speaker 1: this this guy I brings you into his mosque is
Speaker 1: to argue with the guys there to get you in
Speaker 1: and then you say a prayer and what happens after that?
Speaker 2: So so then I go in and I, you know,
Speaker 2: I do the whole prayer like where with all you
Speaker 2: know that you see with all the dudes like lined
Speaker 2: up on the ground like in rows, and I'm praying
Speaker 2: in these they're like ancient mosque like and when you're
Speaker 2: in there praying, it feels like it's like two thousand
Speaker 2: years ago or something like. And I was having like
Speaker 2: feeling these really like intense, profound feelings, you know, Like
Speaker 2: I was like, oh shit, this is like pretty real.
Speaker 2: And I'm not like a big fan of dogma or anything,
Speaker 2: but it was like I was like, whoa, Like maybe
Speaker 2: this is that this is actually it, you know, But
Speaker 2: more than anything, I'm just trying.
Speaker 3: To have an experience.
Speaker 2: But it's kind of blowing my mind. And you know,
Speaker 2: throughout the day. By the end of the day, he's
Speaker 2: taken me to like eight mosque, you know, and we've
Speaker 2: been praying. You know, I'm already starting to pray like
Speaker 2: you know, you know, ten times.
Speaker 3: A day or whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't even remember the amount, but I'll praying a lot,
Speaker 2: you know, in between, like in between all these calls
Speaker 2: he had to make to like buy makeup or whatever.
Speaker 2: And and so then we're sitting we'll get to like
Speaker 2: one of the sketchiest neighborhoods We've got to so far,
Speaker 2: I've already prayed like, you know, a bunch of time.
Speaker 2: I'm super Muslim already. And he's introducing me to everybody.
Speaker 2: It's like, this is my new Muslim friend. And and
Speaker 2: then I get he takes me in his room with
Speaker 2: the sketchiest dudes like smoking clove cigarettes, and like, uh,
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, this is my new Muslim friend. He's American.
Speaker 2: He's an American businessman. And then he asked me in
Speaker 2: front of these guys, He's like, will you change your
Speaker 2: name to Mohammad? And I'm like, and I was just
Speaker 2: being spineless at this point.
Speaker 1: It's just like no, you're you're you're you're in you'redeed.
Speaker 1: If he asked you to change your name, you're doing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, and it's just like I was like, okay, yeah, fine,
Speaker 2: I'm mohammed, you know, just to get him off my
Speaker 2: fucking back because if I say no, I'm like, it
Speaker 2: was kind of scary, you know, like I felt really pressured.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you
Speaker 1: a question. Okay. So at this point where this may
Speaker 1: okay again, a man wakes you up in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night, tells you you're very handsome and to
Speaker 1: come with him. You are our heartbroken. You have nothing
Speaker 1: else going on in your life, so you are walking
Speaker 1: down any path that presents itself to.
Speaker 2: You exactly, man.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so then then he takes you on a tour
Speaker 1: of ten different musques. You pray at all of them,
Speaker 1: and then is this is this all? Is this all
Speaker 1: on one day?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: This is day one?
Speaker 1: And then he and then the man asked you to
Speaker 1: change your name like in that momd like, did you
Speaker 1: where did you think this was all going in your head?
Speaker 1: Don't tell me where I did. I want to get
Speaker 1: to where it actually went, but where did you? Didn't
Speaker 1: give up? He said, you didn't care.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm just like, I'm when ship like that happens
Speaker 2: with me, man, I just go like yes, like I
Speaker 2: thank God, like anytime some wild, like chaotic shit happens
Speaker 2: around me, Like I went to jail like last month
Speaker 2: and it sucks, like random mood and it sucked, but
Speaker 2: it was like I like thank God for that shit,
Speaker 2: like when it when it doesn't actually hurt me. I'm
Speaker 2: just like, because that's what I want out of life, man,
Speaker 2: those like real ass insane experiences, like I want that
Speaker 2: till the day die, you know, And That's what I'm
Speaker 2: looking for. And uh so I'm just like yeah, yeah sure.
Speaker 2: And then he's like and then he asked me, I
Speaker 2: want you. I'm I have this like meeting I do
Speaker 2: yearly his cousin mall is called Nur Group. And he says,
Speaker 2: I want you to come to come to my hometown
Speaker 2: tomorrow and and you're gonna stay with me at my
Speaker 2: family house for a week, and I want you to
Speaker 2: give an inspirational speech to two hundred people. And he said,
Speaker 2: I'm still in front of the sketchy scary dudes after
Speaker 2: I changed my name to Muhammad, and I was like okay,
Speaker 2: yeah sure, and so I locked that in. We get
Speaker 2: out and I start like questioning, like holy shit, this
Speaker 2: is like, sou like, what am I doing? Like I'm
Speaker 2: just on fucking vacation, and I'm like roped into this thing.
Speaker 2: My name is Mohammed and I'm Muslim. Like I realize
Speaker 2: it's insane, and and I get kind of mad, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, listen, like I'm not Muslim, my name's
Speaker 2: not Mohammed, and I'm not gonna like go give this
Speaker 2: fucking inspirational speech.
Speaker 3: Him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then he was like okay, okay,
Speaker 2: And you know this this place Sadat it's called the
Speaker 2: Diamond City, and the merchants from there are like known
Speaker 2: for being great salesman. So this man was a very
Speaker 2: convincing man. Is this stout, like ugly guy who's always
Speaker 2: like drooling, like this ship that he has in this
Speaker 2: like tobacco shit he has in his lip. But he's
Speaker 2: like a powerful dude, you know. And and he's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: you're not Muslim and not Mohammed, but please like come
Speaker 2: back with me in my hometown and get this inspirational speech.
Speaker 2: And I gave in. I fucking gave in, man, And so, uh,
Speaker 2: I go with him to his hometown. He has this
Speaker 2: little he has this like teenage assistant with him. Dude
Speaker 2: that's hanging out with us all day and I go
Speaker 2: with him out to Saddat and.
Speaker 4: We get there.
Speaker 2: I keep like praying every day in the mosque and
Speaker 2: like and in between, Like you don't only pray in
Speaker 2: the mosque, you put pray at like these places, at
Speaker 2: gas stations, there's like a spot everywhere to pray, play
Speaker 2: in your house, but basically just pray a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of every day.
Speaker 1: And when you're and let me ask you, when you're
Speaker 1: praying every single day, Okay, you're just you started practicing
Speaker 1: Muslim a day ago and you're praying at gas stations,
Speaker 1: You're praying everywhere you get the chance to pray. What
Speaker 1: do you actually do? Are you have you like internally
Speaker 1: submitted yourself to to to Islam at this point? Like
Speaker 1: what do you actually.
Speaker 2: Because the thing is man like the I'm just like
Speaker 2: I I was raised Christian, I still like Christianity. I've
Speaker 2: went to Buddhist retreats, I've taken ayahuasca. Like I love
Speaker 2: like all religions. I love Hinduism, love Ramdas, I love
Speaker 2: all that shit. I love Islam Like I don't really
Speaker 2: make distinctions, like to me, wisdom is wisdom and God
Speaker 2: is God, and like dogma really bothers me, like religiosity
Speaker 2: bothers me, and that part really bothered me. But there's
Speaker 2: some type of sacred transmission in that whole ceremony, Like
Speaker 2: there's this cleaning ceremony before you play, and it's all
Speaker 2: like symbolic, and I was just having to watch it.
Speaker 2: There's so many like moves you have to know, So
Speaker 2: every time I pray, if you will be looking at
Speaker 2: me like he doesn't know what he's doing, and you
Speaker 2: kind of have to like look around and like, okay,
Speaker 2: I wash my feet on and then I go in
Speaker 2: here and I do this move and then that that move,
Speaker 2: and you do this weird stuff where you like pray
Speaker 2: for your memory and like for your eyes and stuff.
Speaker 2: And it was just deep and and so and then
Speaker 2: I'm like hanging out with this guy's family, like I'm
Speaker 2: in his home now, and it turns out he's like
Speaker 2: the richest fucking dude in this town. We're rolling around
Speaker 2: in like benz is and it's funny, like you drive
Speaker 2: a Benz in India and you just fucking like scrape
Speaker 2: it up against motorcycles. You just basting shuit up, like,
Speaker 2: but this guy, can I ask can I ask you?
Speaker 1: What is this? So this guy? Okay, so what's the
Speaker 1: name of his hometown again, Surat?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And he you met him in Mumbai?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So how far away? How far away was are those
Speaker 1: two places?
Speaker 2: I think it was like a like a five hour
Speaker 2: train ride or something. Wow.
Speaker 1: So so if this what the hell is this guy?
Speaker 1: If he's the richest guy in this town, what the
Speaker 1: hell is he doing at a random tourist hostel in Mumbai?
Speaker 2: Because because it's fucking India, Man, I don't know. It's like,
Speaker 2: what what's like rich in India in Sudha is not
Speaker 2: the same as what's rich in America?
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, okay, I want to hear the kund
Speaker 1: of a buddy.
Speaker 3: What well?
Speaker 1: No, go ahead, go ahead, you talk.
Speaker 2: It's kind of a baller thing, it seemed like to me.
Speaker 2: Even to be in like a hostel, It's kind of
Speaker 2: like the rich kids of India are more likely to
Speaker 2: be found there than you know, poor people. Yeah, this
Speaker 2: is where the westerners stay and stuff that is kind
Speaker 2: of follower in India. I feel like I could be wrong.
Speaker 2: I mean, Indian people might be like this guy doesn't
Speaker 2: know what he's talking about, but this is just my impression.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're in I'm just going to keep an
Speaker 1: ups in the city wrong, but you know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. So you're in this guy's hometown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm staying with his like wife and kids. He's
Speaker 2: given me my own room and like he's like made
Speaker 2: me a part of his family. Like I'm praying there's
Speaker 2: like structure in my life. Like this is me coming
Speaker 2: out of one of the most flipped out, like manic
Speaker 2: depressed parts of my life. And I've just like stopped
Speaker 2: talking to my mom, my two best friends, broke up
Speaker 2: with a girlfriend of ten years, lost her family. Like
Speaker 2: I was alone in the world at this time. And
Speaker 2: and there's a philosophy among Muslim people of like of
Speaker 2: like welcoming people and giving to people, and they and
Speaker 2: Indian people are like this too, and they just like
Speaker 2: gave me everything and welcomed me completely. And it was like,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm playing with his little nephews and it's
Speaker 2: like I'm like these people love me, like you know,
Speaker 2: like I have a place here and and it's just
Speaker 2: like it's all kind of like makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: And so basically he's like he even he's like taking
Speaker 2: me to these like Muslim scholars and shit, and I'm
Speaker 2: like talking to them about what like confuses me about
Speaker 2: the Quran and stuff, and I'm going deep. And then
Speaker 2: I guess the conclusion of all this was I they
Speaker 2: had that big meeting with two hundred people, and I
Speaker 2: gave the fucking inspirational speech. I wrote it that morning.
Speaker 4: I wrote it that morning in bed, and then went
Speaker 4: to this place with all these people that worked at
Speaker 4: a small it is cosmetic small, and I wrote some
Speaker 4: fucking dumb ass speech about like hard work and like
Speaker 4: the value of that even small job to have value.
Speaker 4: I think I kind of like bombed, like because they
Speaker 4: didn't even need to hear me tell them about hard work.
Speaker 2: Like they were already crying, like because they're so like
Speaker 2: passionate about their job, Like they didn't need me telling
Speaker 2: them this ship. But you know, I tried.
Speaker 3: I sent it this weird fucking.
Speaker 2: Guy fory I had like my hair reached back. I
Speaker 2: went gave me a suit, I got like a fucking
Speaker 2: haircut of shape.
Speaker 1: So you basically came in here like they thought like
Speaker 1: so the guy was he was saying, this man works
Speaker 1: in the construction business, making everyone think that you are
Speaker 1: like like you're Donald if you own some kind of
Speaker 1: giant construction enterprise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's using me to his leverage because not only
Speaker 2: it's such a big deal to people that he's getting
Speaker 2: this light American dude to be a Muslim, like he's
Speaker 2: scoring hard, like that's the biggest flex.
Speaker 1: Imagine, do you remember can I hear? Do you have
Speaker 1: any lines from this speech? Do you have it? Do
Speaker 1: you still have it?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: They fucking recorded it, but they got they ended up
Speaker 2: getting too mad at me that they didn't give it
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: I how did they? Okay, so did this take a turn?
Speaker 1: Do people get mad at you after this?
Speaker 3: Whatever?
Speaker 2: Really take a turn? Like super dramatically. But ultimately, you know,
Speaker 2: this was the end of like my seventh day or something.
Speaker 2: And by now they've offered me like they're like, listen,
Speaker 2: you're a part of our family now and and we
Speaker 2: think that you belong here. We think you're people are
Speaker 2: telling me, we think you're gonna be a great Muslim,
Speaker 2: like influential Muslim. And I was like, you know, like
Speaker 2: they're like showing me these Westerners that like became Muslim,
Speaker 2: and they're like, this is a path for you. And
Speaker 2: you're you're gonna work at our cosmetics mall, You're gonna
Speaker 2: be an international businessman. You're going to travel like around
Speaker 2: Europe and India and Africa buying from wholesalers. You're gonna
Speaker 2: be like one of the top guys at our company.
Speaker 2: You're going to live in my house and you're gonna
Speaker 2: be a part of my family. And we're gonna get you.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have up We're gonna get you a wife,
Speaker 2: and you can have up to three wives. You know.
Speaker 2: So all this shit was sounded pretty damn nice.
Speaker 1: Wait he told you that he was gonna give you
Speaker 1: three wives.
Speaker 3: Up to three.
Speaker 2: It's like if the one isn't good then you can
Speaker 2: get another.
Speaker 3: If two isn't good.
Speaker 2: Enough, you can get like a third or something. So
Speaker 2: I was like, this was all sounding pretty I mean, fuck, dude,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm like twenty four years old at this time.
Speaker 2: Like that sounds like a pretty damn good life.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: That's why I was gonna ask guys gonna like when
Speaker 1: they're okay, they're they at that point. I mean, you
Speaker 1: I assume you didn't have a job and you broke
Speaker 1: it up with your girlfriend. At that point, were you
Speaker 1: just like were you considering it? Were you like yeah,
Speaker 1: and that fuck it, I might just stay here in it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it freaked me out because I was just like,
Speaker 2: am I thinking like I felt this whole time, like
Speaker 2: I had my head on my shoulders, Like this wasn't
Speaker 2: even my first rodeo I've been doing. My entire life
Speaker 2: has been weird as fuck.
Speaker 3: So like.
Speaker 2: This is like something that I'm accustomed. This level of
Speaker 2: weirdness is not new to me. So but like but
Speaker 2: I was like, am I like being brainwashed or something? Like,
Speaker 2: am I okay? Like this is this okay? And what
Speaker 2: it was freaky because I was like, I think I
Speaker 2: might actually fucking do this, Like I think I might
Speaker 2: actually stay here. So but then after the last I
Speaker 2: give that speech, and then I had decided that I
Speaker 2: needed to leave this town for a little bit to
Speaker 2: think on my own. Because the thing is, the whole
Speaker 2: time I was there, I was never left alone, like
Speaker 2: only in my bedroom, but I had like sofurs everywhere,
Speaker 2: like I had a chaperone at all times, to the
Speaker 2: point where I almost couldn't think straight. Like I wasn't like, like,
Speaker 2: first of all, I have a shit some the like
Speaker 2: diary and stomach problems because I just got to India.
Speaker 2: They're feeding me a fucked hunt, like literally force feeding
Speaker 2: me with their hands, and said, and I'm not sleeping
Speaker 2: that that much. Like these like Muslim people know how
Speaker 2: to fucking party, like without alcohol and stuff like they
Speaker 2: just kind of just stay up and just like work
Speaker 2: their fucking ass off his prey a ton. So it's
Speaker 2: like it gets you into this kind of like state
Speaker 2: and and I was like, I need to go be
Speaker 2: alone and like consider what's going on right now. And
Speaker 2: it was right when it was about to be Ramadan.
Speaker 2: So they were like, we want you to stay at
Speaker 2: least one more month for Ramadan. And I was like
Speaker 2: it was kind of if I did that, it was
Speaker 2: like game over. You know. Of course I was going
Speaker 2: to like stay for the rest of my life after
Speaker 2: one month of Ramadan. But so so I was like, nah,
Speaker 2: I gotta leave. I had this beautiful moment with them
Speaker 2: with the family one last night, like reading the Koran.
Speaker 2: His like brother gave me these beads and he said,
Speaker 2: like if you don't even if you don't come back
Speaker 2: or while you're thinking about this, I want you to
Speaker 2: take these beads and every day I want you to
Speaker 2: chance Yahadi Yahadi Yahadi and yah Rahim yah Rahim yah Rahim.
Speaker 2: I said, I don't know. It's something something some type
Speaker 2: of prayer or for like help from God's very sweet.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was cool, man, it's this is all I
Speaker 2: love Islam. Islam as cool as fuck. But but yeah,
Speaker 2: I uh so, I just get out. Well it the
Speaker 2: morning I told everybody was gonna leave, and then the
Speaker 2: morning I was gonna leave, I wake up and it's
Speaker 2: the first morning I can't find sucking anybody to give
Speaker 2: me the ride to the train station, even though that's
Speaker 2: what we all talk about me doing the day before.
Speaker 2: Like suddenly everyone's gone, Like suddenly everyone's gone. And I
Speaker 2: was like, all right, fuck this, put on my backpack,
Speaker 2: packed my ship, and I walked myself to the train station.
Speaker 2: And then this man, my protector, my patron, the.
Speaker 1: Guy from the guy from the very beginning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy who loves me, and he uh he
Speaker 2: just was like text me like what you've done is
Speaker 2: very bad, Like he was pissed, and he's like, dude,
Speaker 2: I just told you I was gonna do this, but
Speaker 2: I bet he got it made him real mad, and
Speaker 2: he was like he was mad. I mean, he probably
Speaker 2: would have like accepted me back if I changed my mind,
Speaker 2: but he was. He was really heartbroken about it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I think they all kind of were because in their eyes,
Speaker 2: like for me to not become a Muslim is like
Speaker 2: it's like cursing myself to hell, you know, so like
Speaker 2: and and this guy, like it sounds all like ulterior motives,
Speaker 2: but I think this man actually was like really cared
Speaker 2: about me and was really trying to help me. So
Speaker 2: it was like it was sad for them because it's like,
Speaker 2: damn all right, man, Like you're kind of fucked though.
Speaker 2: You know. He told me before I left, you know,
Speaker 2: he's like, you know, all this peace, you're feeling, all
Speaker 2: this love, you know it's gonna be gone when you
Speaker 2: leave here. And I mean he was sort of right
Speaker 2: because it was his home, it was this base. But
Speaker 2: the thing is is that I wasn't allowed to have
Speaker 2: an identity there, Like I'm I never tested this, but
Speaker 2: I'm like bisexual. Like what would these people think if
Speaker 2: I told the most bisexual or what if you know,
Speaker 2: like or just what if these people knew who I
Speaker 2: really am, and and if they wouldn't, they probably wouldn't
Speaker 2: even have responded any type of way except for just
Speaker 2: shut up, don't talk about that, and like in line,
Speaker 2: and it was like that big break when I was
Speaker 2: twenty four, I had to hit this big moment where
Speaker 2: I was sick of that, you know, like I had
Speaker 2: to say fuck everything to be free. So it's like,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to just like lock myself down again
Speaker 2: right as I begin exploring. So then I just went
Speaker 2: continued traveling in India and went and did a bunch
Speaker 2: of other really weird.
Speaker 1: Huh. So this is fascinating because and you know, you
Speaker 1: said at the beginning that we're kindred spirits, and I
Speaker 1: know exactly what you're talking about when you're like I
Speaker 1: am on the hunt for you know, experiences and things
Speaker 1: that are you know, out of out of my ordinary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I identify with you on that. And it's funny to
Speaker 1: me because like I'm sure people listening to this probably
Speaker 1: probably and you you said it yourself, You're like, I
Speaker 1: know it sounds ulterior motive, and I'm sure people listening
Speaker 1: to this have all kinds of theories and reactions to
Speaker 1: the things that you're talking about, and and these ideas
Speaker 1: of how there might be some ulterior motive going on
Speaker 1: in there, because it's just so it's just so strange,
Speaker 1: like why is this guy in a in a in
Speaker 1: a tourist hostel five hours away from where he lives
Speaker 1: and asks you it's just so many, so many questions.
Speaker 1: You just don't have answers to them. And you were there,
Speaker 1: you lived it, and yet you still look at it,
Speaker 1: and you, even after having had some time to look
Speaker 1: at this from outside, you still think to yourself, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think there was an ulterior motive. I genuinely
Speaker 1: believe that this guy felt as though or.
Speaker 2: It could be both, could it could be a.
Speaker 1: Combination of both, but just you saying you genuinely felt
Speaker 1: as though this guy uh wanted you to have a
Speaker 1: better life, just because that's the kind of guy he is,
Speaker 1: and just because that's the kind of you know.
Speaker 2: He wanted me to have a better life, and he
Speaker 2: wanted to flex that he got this uh, white kid
Speaker 2: to become a Muslim, and he wanted me to be
Speaker 2: like his token in business. And I think he had
Speaker 2: a little bit of a gay crush on me.
Speaker 1: But in addition, you think hold on you, you just
Speaker 1: brought that, you think he had a gay crush on you,
Speaker 1: just vaguely.
Speaker 2: Just vaguely. Oh fuck, I shouldn't even say that. Man,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna like dock this guy. God damn it.
Speaker 1: I guar look, even the most sophisticated fucking private agent
Speaker 1: I don't think could determine where this guy is from
Speaker 1: based on this story. Although I don't know. This town
Speaker 1: sounds kind of small. What's the name of it.
Speaker 2: Let's forget about that, all right, Well the city you mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: the city.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you something. So I let me ask
Speaker 1: you a question. If he came on to you, how
Speaker 1: would you have reacted.
Speaker 2: I don't know. He's pretty gross. He's like this stout,
Speaker 2: like he had this like gnarled face, like talked in
Speaker 2: this like really loud, like raspy. Boy.
Speaker 1: I can't tell how you feel about you know, I
Speaker 1: can't tell how you feel about this guy because on
Speaker 1: one hand, you talk about him like you're with with
Speaker 1: like uh, suspicion, but you also talk about him with
Speaker 1: like love and genuineness, because both are true.
Speaker 2: Man, that's been that's like, that's my experience of everything. Man,
Speaker 2: Like it's I feel like everything is true?
Speaker 1: Do you have have you texted? Has this guy texted
Speaker 1: you since? How long? How long ago was this?
Speaker 3: First of all, this was this was like four years ago, like.
Speaker 1: Twenty eight Now has he texted you since?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Because that was like my Indian phone and he got.
Speaker 3: It for me.
Speaker 1: So you you don't even have any way of getting
Speaker 1: like if you if you woke, if you.
Speaker 2: I could go the Let me ask you what.
Speaker 1: In the past four years, In the past four years,
Speaker 1: have you ever woken up in the middle of the
Speaker 1: night and been like I should have taken the offer
Speaker 1: for the three wives and the and and out the
Speaker 1: Bentley and all. No.
Speaker 2: No, but you know I do. I do consider getting
Speaker 2: back into Islam because I kind of want to go
Speaker 2: do Hajj and go to Mecca because that just sounds insane,
Speaker 2: Like just like people have no I idea how trippy
Speaker 2: Islam is. Like I've done all that shit and like
Speaker 2: it's one of the you know, it's as trippy as
Speaker 2: taking DMG or something, and it's very deep. You know,
Speaker 2: all these like all these dogmatic religions have a very
Speaker 2: mystical and true aspect to them, you know, and just
Speaker 2: like going to Mecca would be insane. But I think
Speaker 2: I would need to practice a lot because you can't
Speaker 2: go there unless you're a Muslim, you know, So I'd
Speaker 2: need to be a real Muslim. And so I think
Speaker 2: about it, and I think about becoming a Muslim again.
Speaker 2: But it's weird because.
Speaker 3: It's like.
Speaker 2: I don't know how people would feel about me, even
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think that's really kosher, even for
Speaker 2: a guy like me, like that one foot one out,
Speaker 2: one foot in, one foot out, like with many religions.
Speaker 2: And that's what kind of annoys me about many religions
Speaker 2: is like this, uh, this lack of like nuance in
Speaker 2: the thinking and like this all these rules and it's
Speaker 2: like like it's it's kind of sad to me that
Speaker 2: Islam is so dogmatic because it's so rich and it's
Speaker 2: so funny.
Speaker 1: Can you I'm like I feel like I'm I feel
Speaker 1: like I have a thirty percent understanding of what that
Speaker 1: word means.
Speaker 2: You keep using it dogmatic, yes, like you know, just
Speaker 2: buy the book, you know, by the rules, like look
Speaker 2: like you know and like and like shame, shame, shame,
Speaker 2: and you fucked up and you know, like I walked
Speaker 2: into I walked into a mosque with like a tear
Speaker 2: in my pants, and that's like a massive faux pas.
Speaker 2: Not that that's even you know, but just I wish,
Speaker 2: I wish like some of the goodness of some of
Speaker 2: these like great religious traditions could be like shared with more.
Speaker 2: I mean Christianity too.
Speaker 1: You're trying to you you're trying to you're trying to
Speaker 1: alacart the religions exactly. Yeah, which you know, I don't
Speaker 1: think that's anything wrong. I mean, I mean, look, here's
Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of things. You could make a
Speaker 1: religion called william Ism and you could go ahead and
Speaker 1: be what you believe.
Speaker 2: Be called William's Way, Williams Way.
Speaker 1: Why did you go to jail last month?
Speaker 2: Oh dude, I I uh I Have you heard of
Speaker 2: this app random Nautica?
Speaker 1: No, what is that?
Speaker 2: It's like an app that like generates random GPS coordinates
Speaker 2: and so.
Speaker 1: Like it sounds like that sounds like the start of
Speaker 1: how somebody went to jail for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just love it. You've got to
Speaker 2: try it out. It's like right up your you have
Speaker 2: to try it. But uh so, I don't know if
Speaker 2: you've ever gotten to like chaos magic or anything like that.
Speaker 2: But the idea is, if you know William Burrows and
Speaker 2: do like if you create randomness, if you do things
Speaker 2: that create randomness, it invokes like synchronicity and like magic,
Speaker 2: like if you if you do that, you know the
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've heard of the cut up technique,
Speaker 2: but you if you cut a newspaper up and separate
Speaker 2: all the words and then like jumble them together, it's
Speaker 2: like that it will try it will speak to you,
Speaker 2: you know. So it's like, uh, the GPS coordinates when
Speaker 2: you when you do something random, when you break out
Speaker 2: of the matrix by doing something you normally wouldn't do,
Speaker 2: weird shit will happen. Like test it, like to everybody
Speaker 2: out there, I dare you to go. Try to think
Speaker 2: of something you would never do and do it and
Speaker 2: see if some weird ass shit doesn't happen. I promise
Speaker 2: you it will, you know. And so we're going around
Speaker 2: doing this random nautica thing, and you know, we found
Speaker 2: some abandoned boats at some point, and then me and
Speaker 2: my friend Wan and then we went into this like
Speaker 2: waste processing plants and we like acted like we worked there,
Speaker 2: Like I was like pretending to talk on the phone,
Speaker 2: and like we got in and and then we were done.
Speaker 2: We had this big adventure exploring Brooklyn. And then at
Speaker 2: the very end of the night, we we went to
Speaker 2: our last stop and we hopped a hopped the fence
Speaker 2: into a construction uh whatever, construction site, and we got
Speaker 2: fucking arrested.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 2: Those things are posted up, and we got arrested hard,
Speaker 2: and it was so scary. It sucked getting arrested dude.
Speaker 4: In New York.
Speaker 1: I liked.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 1: You're like, you know, man, if you go out of
Speaker 1: your way, crazy things will happen, like getting arrested for trespassing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: But but but we were looking for adventure, man, and
Speaker 2: we found it.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I you look man, I'm look I
Speaker 1: like you, man. I like the way you think.
Speaker 3: Right. This is.
Speaker 1: Uh, you're you're you're out there to live. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: all the days of your life. I respect that.
Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot of off days. But I'll
Speaker 2: get pumped again. I'll get the bravery back.
Speaker 1: What do you do for a Do you have a
Speaker 1: job or a girlfriend?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I do you have elements to your life
Speaker 1: that are I assist of.
Speaker 2: That's like one thing I made. I've been making art
Speaker 2: for like years. I'm trying to do I'm trying to
Speaker 2: be like a big painter in New York City, and
Speaker 2: I'm really on and off about that goal because it's like, fuck,
Speaker 2: I just want to go through random ship, but there's
Speaker 2: like this gravity that keeps pulling me back to painting.
Speaker 2: So if anybody in New York or Brooklyn knows a place,
Speaker 2: like has a space where I can do an art show,
Speaker 2: I've got a bunch of badass paintings and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: make a whole bunch more. So, please reach out to me.
Speaker 2: If you've got a spot, I can your show.
Speaker 1: You're like, you're like David Show, I do, dude.
Speaker 2: David Show made a huge impact. That's what started me
Speaker 2: on a lot of this ship. Bro. I watched Thumbs
Speaker 2: Up when I was like, I watched that one movie
Speaker 2: where he gets like lost in Alaska.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about. Im up is yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: But then yeah, I watched the Thumbs Up right before
Speaker 2: I graduated high school, and I was like, damn, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's one of the goodus for sure, man, he's one
Speaker 2: of the heroes. And you are too.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I was just watching you.
Speaker 2: Like, I was just watching you like walk around in Japan,
Speaker 2: and I was just like, damn, like I gotta get
Speaker 2: back out there. I gotta shake some ship up.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what, fuck man, I I I that's
Speaker 1: that's cool that you you liked the Japan stuff. I
Speaker 1: still need to like put edit that and put it
Speaker 1: on YouTube, but yeah, I loved I love doing that
Speaker 1: kind of shiit of just I mean, that's what's cool
Speaker 1: about the Gecko costume is like I can go out
Speaker 1: anywhere and just people will start talking to me, and
Speaker 1: you know that that leads you to all kinds of
Speaker 1: all kinds of adventures and whatnot. Well, okay, what's your
Speaker 1: do you if you want? If you want, do you
Speaker 1: want to plug yourself? Do you have an art thing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can do.
Speaker 2: I've got like an art I g it's not really
Speaker 2: I'm better. I'm better than it shows. But like I
Speaker 2: I'm not very like I've never really like given a
Speaker 2: lot of time in my marketing or whatever. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll plug my thing and somebody fucking give me a room.
Speaker 2: I can show some art and a big white box.
Speaker 1: You can. Why look, man, you know there's Google and
Speaker 1: Craigslist and ship right, this is the worst possible avenue
Speaker 1: for you to be asked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe maybe I'm.
Speaker 1: What's what's your Instagram?
Speaker 2: William Way one two three four.
Speaker 1: William Way one tooth before? All right, man, I'll check
Speaker 1: you out.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go on it right now and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: post a picture of me at the giving the inspirational
Speaker 2: speech you.
Speaker 1: Have you have the photo of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, not like me and you're crazy.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, well all right, before we go, what's your
Speaker 1: what's next for you? What's your wit? You told you
Speaker 1: had you told me that you had a job, and
Speaker 1: I fucking forgot what you said.
Speaker 2: It was I assist a painter. I assist one of
Speaker 2: my heroes. It is art assistant.
Speaker 1: Okay, nice? What's next for you? What's your big What's
Speaker 1: what's next in your life? William?
Speaker 2: Well, there's a there's a little fork like I'm I'm
Speaker 2: trying to I'm like, I'm like either gonna go to
Speaker 2: art school in Germany. There's a school called like stable
Speaker 2: school I'm trying to give into or or if that
Speaker 2: if I don't get in I think I'll just like
Speaker 2: go like travel, Like I'm like, you know, about to
Speaker 2: be fucking thirty, so it's like I want to spend
Speaker 2: like if I'm not in art school, you know, sistering
Speaker 2: the Thief, then I'm going to just like go like
Speaker 2: travel aimlessly for another year.
Speaker 1: Probably that's cool Africa. It's so funny. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm only twenty five, and I'm like feeling like, oh
Speaker 1: am I getting too old to because I did a
Speaker 1: lot of like, you know, I I this this you know,
Speaker 1: this kick that you're talking about of like I want
Speaker 1: to just go to a foreign country and like see
Speaker 1: what the fuck is going on and like what maybe
Speaker 1: I talk go try to talk to this person I
Speaker 1: wouldn't normally talk to and see where that leads me.
Speaker 1: I was, I was really on that kick when I
Speaker 1: was like twenty and that I was readly on that
Speaker 1: kick a lot. You know, the Gacko got me back
Speaker 1: on that kick because the gecko makes doing that stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot, a lot easier because again, you know,
Speaker 1: when I cost people want to talk to me, and
Speaker 1: I also I've excuse me to do it and they
Speaker 1: can film it and put it up there, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great when you confuse the two. That's like
Speaker 2: what I've had a hard time finding is like I
Speaker 2: love making art, and I'm like annoyingly like I don't know,
Speaker 2: like as much as I want to travel, I'm always
Speaker 2: like forcing myself. There's this weird part of my like
Speaker 2: other brain that like forces me to like sit down
Speaker 2: and like do projects and try to like accomplish things.
Speaker 2: And it's like somehow I need to learn to I'm
Speaker 2: trying to figure out how to respect both of those
Speaker 2: forces in my life because they're both seem they both
Speaker 2: seem necessary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, man, No, me too. I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: like you know, I mean, I'm sitting here in this
Speaker 1: studio talking to you, which is located in a place
Speaker 1: like we said, yeah, and it's like I could fucking
Speaker 1: could like go to I don't know, uh uh uh
Speaker 1: Iceland and try to you know, stream from there and
Speaker 1: do my stuff. I mean that's what That's what I
Speaker 1: really want to do, man. I Yeah, yeah, I I
Speaker 1: I loved it, Like I said that that that's gonna
Speaker 1: be kind of my I think I think I want
Speaker 1: it to be. My focus for next year is making
Speaker 1: more of those kinds of videos, because you're right, man,
Speaker 1: there is this like one of the big uh kind
Speaker 1: of back and forth you know, in my head has
Speaker 1: been the the desire to sit my ass down and
Speaker 1: create some sort of foundation for my existence and then
Speaker 1: the desire to do the opposite and just you know,
Speaker 1: screw off to somewhere and bop around. But yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean also, you know, especially considering that how how
Speaker 1: imminent our deaths are. Yeah, it's cool, but it's also,
Speaker 1: by the way, it's also horrifically depressing. Sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes you alone, so like you were saying, dude, it's uh,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you're just alone in Remember I was like,
Speaker 1: I went, I was alone, and uh, Paris is really
Speaker 1: fucking sad on a bench.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be really depressing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was just like, what the fuck am
Speaker 1: I doing right now? But there's something, there's like there's
Speaker 1: life in that, you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, absolutely, it's like, yeah, I mean, at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, I feel like I've been trying
Speaker 2: to like take my focus from like to the present
Speaker 2: to the present moment, like just trying to get more
Speaker 2: because because ultimately all that ship, like I've done like
Speaker 2: like a ship ton of adventures and like had lots
Speaker 2: of like pleasure and even like accomplished some cool things
Speaker 2: I really wanted to do with art and stuff. And
Speaker 2: it's like it's never it's it's so fleeting, like you
Speaker 2: can go to you could go to fucking wherever for
Speaker 2: two years and have the time in your life, and
Speaker 2: then the thing is it's like over, you know, So
Speaker 2: it's true, and then you're back, You're back where you started,
Speaker 2: and that like that never stops, like you'll always find
Speaker 2: yourself back in the room just with yourself. And so
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to be and and I've spent so
Speaker 2: I've wasted a lot of energy and time just like
Speaker 2: wanting to be somewhere else and that that that feeling
Speaker 2: will chase you everywhere you go and there's nothing like
Speaker 2: you have to address it head on.
Speaker 1: It's true. Well that's what I feel like, is when
Speaker 1: you're talking about trying to combine the two, like you know,
Speaker 1: can I build something or be or can I can
Speaker 1: I be creating something while I'm on these adventures, you know,
Speaker 1: that'll make it seem like I've I've progressed my life
Speaker 1: in some way shape or form, but I you know,
Speaker 1: you know, look, you say you're back where you started,
Speaker 1: but uh, I mean you have progressed your life in
Speaker 1: some way, shape or form. You put yourself out there,
Speaker 1: you know a little bit more about the world around you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've met No, it's not a waste of time, and
Speaker 1: I think it's a great use of time. But also
Speaker 1: to the to the point of trying to be present.
Speaker 1: I was I think I have said this on the
Speaker 1: podcast before, so whatever, but I was on a walk
Speaker 1: with my mom the other day and my dog, and
Speaker 1: it was like a sunny day outside, and I was
Speaker 1: just like in my hometown and I remember just thinking
Speaker 1: to myself, like, you know, it was it was. It
Speaker 1: was pretty much the complete opposite of like some crazy
Speaker 1: adventure in a place I've never been to. It's the
Speaker 1: opposite of that, but it was. It was so beautiful,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, if this is the best
Speaker 1: that life gets, this is pretty goddamn good. I could
Speaker 1: spend I could spend the whole lifetime, you know, trying
Speaker 1: to to be uh, you know, grateful for just this
Speaker 1: instead of all this trying to be like, what's the
Speaker 1: next crazy thing I can go and do? So I
Speaker 1: also struggle with that big back and forth of should
Speaker 1: I be happy where I am or should I go
Speaker 1: try and go to fucking Mars.
Speaker 2: Well, the funny thing is it's like you might as well,
Speaker 2: like while you're not on the trip, like exer, start
Speaker 2: exercising that muscle of just like because like a lot
Speaker 2: of the best fucking moments in life are literally just
Speaker 2: like like being on the bus, like listening to reggae,
Speaker 2: staring out the window and you feel really good for
Speaker 2: no reason, you know, And it's like that's a lot
Speaker 2: of the best moments. They don't like.
Speaker 1: Require like a whole you like do you have do
Speaker 1: you have dreadlocks? I'm imagining you with dreadlocks now.
Speaker 2: No, not at all, dude.
Speaker 1: What's your name again?
Speaker 2: William William? Super nice to meet you, bro.
Speaker 1: Nice to meet you too.
Speaker 2: I'll try to go to a live show and meet you.
Speaker 1: I'm coming to Brooklyn. I'm coming to brose sell out so.
Speaker 2: Quick and I'm like so bad at getting it in time.
Speaker 1: This is the fucking the ticket survivable now anyway, whatever,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna make this think about my tour. Okay,
Speaker 1: uh William is good talking to you, man. I hope
Speaker 1: you figure out your stuff. I'll check out. What was it? William?
Speaker 1: One two three your.
Speaker 2: Way one two three four A box to show my
Speaker 2: art and please?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, good talking, you will, good luck and
Speaker 1: fucking praise a lot. Is that what they say?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, praise as on the way coon.
Speaker 1: All right, man, you take care.
Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 1: I like that guy. He was cool, made me think
Speaker 1: about stuff, made me think about wanting to go out
Speaker 1: into the university. I like, you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: the way he was talking about that family and the
Speaker 1: whole experience he had with that guy where he felt
Speaker 1: as though that guy's intentions were genuine in a sense,
Speaker 1: even though the circumstances surrounding it were, you know, definitely bizarre.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't I don't think any of
Speaker 1: us will know unless if somebody listening to this is like,
Speaker 1: is lives in that city that he mentioned and he
Speaker 1: was like, this is a thing here. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: but thanks for Sharon William.
Speaker 3: Hello, Hey, yo, what's up man?
Speaker 1: How you doing?
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of going on. Man, I just
Speaker 3: got a brain, new job, right, cool and fucked up
Speaker 3: my first day how so, so I decide to say,
Speaker 3: he fuck it, I'm a smoke on my first date,
Speaker 3: which was kind of fuck.
Speaker 1: H okay, what do you do? What do you do?
Speaker 3: So? I so? I? So I decided to smoke a
Speaker 3: bowl before you know? So, what's word?
Speaker 1: What do you What do you do for work?
Speaker 3: Oh? I used to work at Wendy's and now I
Speaker 3: go as.
Speaker 2: Far as from there.
Speaker 1: So all right, so you decided, So you got a
Speaker 1: job at Wendy's, and your very first d at Wendy's,
Speaker 1: you decided to smoke a ball before work? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I continue, How did that work out for you?
Speaker 3: So? My boss he knows when people are high. So
Speaker 3: whenever I got there, all he saw was my eyes
Speaker 3: fucking bloodshot red, and I was just fucked. I was like,
Speaker 3: oh shit, I got new from the day I got
Speaker 3: on there fired.
Speaker 1: Do your eyes usually get bloodshot red when you get high?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So you have to understand, if you're the manager at Wendy's,
Speaker 1: you have seen your fair share of very high people,
Speaker 1: and so clearly he would know what you would look
Speaker 1: like if you were high. And that's where I think
Speaker 1: you made your your most quintessential mistake.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know.
Speaker 3: What's like, got there that he knew people were high?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean everybody that he at least seventy five
Speaker 1: percent of the people he interacts with on a daily
Speaker 1: basis are extremely high. Yeah all right, So uh so
Speaker 1: he just knew? Did you? Did you deny it at all?
Speaker 1: Did you just say that, like, I mean, it's allergy season.
Speaker 1: You had a pretty good excuse there.
Speaker 3: I did say, yeah, I had allergies. He's like, don't
Speaker 3: fuss the man.
Speaker 1: I'm like shit, so he So it sounds as though
Speaker 1: you resigned to this fairly quickly, like without a fight,
Speaker 1: Like you tried the allergy thing and then immediately you're
Speaker 1: just like, nah, you're right, I'm high.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he knew I didn't have lergies. Okay, fuck it.
Speaker 1: I have few questions, you know. I'm also I am
Speaker 1: also guilty of getting high and then immediately being like
Speaker 1: I should not have gotten high just now. I don't
Speaker 1: get high before I do this. I've said that a
Speaker 1: bunch of times. But I will like get high before
Speaker 1: going to hang out with someone or before going into
Speaker 1: some kind of setting where I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: why did I get high before this? Why did what
Speaker 1: inspired you to get high before going into your first day?
Speaker 3: I just had a real fucking day, like fucking ship
Speaker 3: was going down.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait what was going down?
Speaker 3: Fucking like my grandpa the other day, just fucking flat out,
Speaker 3: just to the floor.
Speaker 1: He what happened?
Speaker 2: My grandpa fucking died? O day.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry to hear that, man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was just like fucking not having this.
Speaker 3: I'm just lookable, okay, and I'll walk into work and
Speaker 3: mash it up. So now I'm out of a job
Speaker 3: that I'm fucking high.
Speaker 1: So are you high right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: All right? I kind of figured that do you get
Speaker 1: how often do you high?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Thank you?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: What who who are you talking to?
Speaker 3: Uh no, I'm just talking to you.
Speaker 1: You said you said thank I asked you, okay, I
Speaker 1: I you know, I feel like it's just like you
Speaker 1: didn't answer my question, but you kind of did because
Speaker 1: I asked you how often do you get high? And
Speaker 1: you said thank you man, which in a way is
Speaker 1: an answer to my question.
Speaker 3: So I get high like most of my time, like
Speaker 3: like three times out the fucking week.
Speaker 1: Okay, what do do you are? You do you feel
Speaker 1: like you're trying to escape from reality.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's mostly the big thing.
Speaker 1: I feel that I do the same fucking thing. Dude,
Speaker 1: I get high like every day. I'm trying to stop
Speaker 1: doing that. Yeah, are you talking to somebody else? You're
Speaker 1: confusing me right now.
Speaker 3: No, I'm trying to talk to you. But you go
Speaker 3: ahead first.
Speaker 1: I I I Yeah, I get high all the time
Speaker 1: to escape reality myself. Uh so I understand how to
Speaker 1: stand where that impulse comes from. What are you trying
Speaker 1: to escape about reality?
Speaker 3: Just the fucking stude, because I originally just stopped smoking
Speaker 3: like nicotine. Yeah, I was like, you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: get off of that like you no, smoke a little
Speaker 3: bit more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mhmm. This is tough. Yeah, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to do the exact same thing right now.
Speaker 1: Uh uh huh m hmm. What does anything? What else leaves?
Speaker 1: What else relieves your stress besides just pot?
Speaker 2: Basically just motion? You know.
Speaker 3: A lot?
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, you know what the problem is is.
Speaker 1: I bet getting high and going fishing is awesome. I
Speaker 1: have no idea what you just said.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I think to start to
Speaker 1: start right, I'm not gonna tell you shouldn't get high
Speaker 1: at the time, because I get high at the time.
Speaker 1: But you I think the first step would at least
Speaker 1: be to establish certain situations where you're like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is off limits forgetting high.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 1: I have done the research I have and and I
Speaker 1: can say with with strong anecdotal evidence, that going into
Speaker 1: my job at when they's high is not a good idea.
Speaker 1: I have the I have done. I have done the research,
Speaker 1: and I could say with strong anecdotal evidence that's showing
Speaker 1: up to record this this show and getting high is
Speaker 1: a bad idea. So I don't do that. That's a
Speaker 1: that's a boundary that I have set. But and there's
Speaker 1: other boundaries that I should set, Like I shouldn't fucking
Speaker 1: need to get high before doing any like going to
Speaker 1: the grocery store. Right, that's a boundary I should set.
Speaker 1: I haven't set that boundary yet, but I'm working on it,
Speaker 1: but I have I at least have a firm boundary
Speaker 1: in place of I'm not going to get high before
Speaker 1: I do at least this. Do you have a thing
Speaker 1: do you have, like, like, is there a thing that
Speaker 1: you think you could set that boundary for of like Okay,
Speaker 1: if I get another job, let me least, I'll let me.
Speaker 1: I'll once the shift is over. I'm stealing a bunch
Speaker 1: of French fries and getting high as I can and
Speaker 1: sitting in the parking lot for three hours. Do that,
Speaker 1: But don't get high while you're on the job. Like,
Speaker 1: what's what boundaries can you set? You know what I'm saying? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel what's your next move, sir?
Speaker 3: So my next move? This is just like you know,
Speaker 3: not smoke the words like smoke. So like Wednesday and Saturday. No, okay,
Speaker 3: Saturday and Sunday, smoke on those two days.
Speaker 2: Okay, give.
Speaker 3: It?
Speaker 1: Try Yeah for sure, good luck. It's hard if you
Speaker 1: find if you if you have any secrets that you
Speaker 1: discover on your journey, let me know. I'd love to
Speaker 1: make use of them myself. All right, A man, all right, man,
Speaker 1: you take care of your joy. I don't know what
Speaker 1: are you gonna do after this. I'm curious, Probably gonna
Speaker 1: go on the truck. I have no idea what you
Speaker 1: just said, but that sounds fun. You have a good night, man,
Speaker 1: take care of you too. That guy sounds like he
Speaker 1: was about to overdose on weed. Gempink goes on the line,
Speaker 1: taking your phone calls every night them Pink Kip goes
Speaker 1: through on his ride.
Speaker 3: He's teaching you Cloud.
Speaker 1: And your life.
Speaker 2: Money's not ready, an expert