Speaker 1: From the five yard line.
Speaker 2: Burrow catches the shotgun snap, he throws it into the
Speaker 2: end zone. Chase makes the catch on the back line
Speaker 2: for the touchdown, and it looks like the Bengals will
Speaker 2: go for two. With thirty eight seconds to go to
Speaker 2: try to win the.
Speaker 3: Game, Burrow takes the snap. Ravens bring Bliss pressure. Burrow
Speaker 3: throws at the end zone.
Speaker 2: It's incomplete. It's incomplete, and with thirty eight second clip
Speaker 2: to play, but Hazel the barn.
Speaker 3: WHOA.
Speaker 2: What a wild one.
Speaker 3: To end the tonight and the Ravens will sweep the
Speaker 3: series for the Bengals and improve to seven and three.
Speaker 4: A game is so good we couldn't start it with
Speaker 4: us one call. Thirty five, thirty four, Ravens get the
Speaker 4: win in Baltimore. That was Dan Horde on WCKY. It
Speaker 4: was Jerry Sandusky on wb A L A game that
Speaker 4: we're gonna be remembering for the rest of the season,
Speaker 4: maybe for a few years, as two incredible quarterbacks have
Speaker 4: two incredible performances and a failed two point conversion is
Speaker 4: what endsed and not without some controversy. And I'm here
Speaker 4: with one of the most controversial guests in NFL Daily History.
Speaker 5: It's Nick Westling from Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: What's up, Nick, Oh, not a whole lot, Greg. I
Speaker 1: think you've touched on everything in that game. There had
Speaker 1: big momentum swings, you know, if you believe in that
Speaker 1: sort of thing, And yeah, perfect throw from Burrow at
Speaker 1: the end there to score the touchdown, great catch by
Speaker 1: Chase and then yeah, I mean you could you could
Speaker 1: complain about the calls, and it was a bad miss call,
Speaker 1: but it is what it is that those things happen.
Speaker 1: You can't leave it in the hands the refs there.
Speaker 1: And the Bengals had no reason to lose this game.
Speaker 1: They should have been winning. They should have won this game.
Speaker 1: They had a couple of bad plays that turned the
Speaker 1: game around, a couple of penalties early in the first
Speaker 1: half that put them behind the chains when they were
Speaker 1: unstoppable otherwise. So you know, they could easily won game
Speaker 1: by two touchdowns, but you know what could you know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been the story of their season. And we'll
Speaker 4: get all to that. Of course. Nick Westling our friend,
Speaker 4: the brother of the namesake of our studio, Chris Westling,
Speaker 4: of course, and famously not a Bengals fan, not even
Speaker 4: just like a little disappointed tonight in this moment, it says, I.
Speaker 1: Tell you all the time, I'm a casual Bengals fan.
Speaker 1: I'm not a diehard. I don't really live or die
Speaker 1: with it. It is what it is, you know, Yeah
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 4: And I feel bad for your bride. And I hate
Speaker 4: the Thursday night football guest curse I keep having on
Speaker 4: a guest that is on the side of the losing team.
Speaker 5: But we'll go through it all.
Speaker 4: And I thought you made a good point that, yes,
Speaker 4: you can get mad at the calls, and I thought
Speaker 4: the mist hit to the head of Burrow is the
Speaker 4: egregious one on that last call. They should have gotten
Speaker 4: another chance at the one yard line. I think Ryan
Speaker 4: fits Patrick made a fair point right after the game
Speaker 4: on Amazon that look, Burrow's not looking to Gasiki's side.
Speaker 4: For them to miss that call, it doesn't affect the
Speaker 4: how that play happens. That the officials, you know, sometimes
Speaker 4: miss it when the quarterback's not looking to that side
Speaker 4: or throw into that side.
Speaker 5: It's kind of understandable.
Speaker 4: It ultimately didn't really impact that play because Burrow.
Speaker 5: Was going the other way anyways.
Speaker 4: Through it a little high one of the few throws
Speaker 4: all night that wasn't exactly on target, but you got
Speaker 4: to catch the hit to the head on Burrow and
Speaker 4: get another chance. And it's disappointing because what it does, Nick,
Speaker 4: is it just is another talking point instead of what
Speaker 4: we should be talking about, which is this back and
Speaker 4: forth and the missed opportunities that the Bengals had and
Speaker 4: the Ravens ability to just keep answering down the stretch
Speaker 4: and the Bengals defense collapsing. But what I'll remember more
Speaker 4: than anything, I think, is how incredible Joe Burrow was
Speaker 4: on that last That's why it's a shame for it
Speaker 4: to end that way. Because I'm watching on the Prime
Speaker 4: Vision version of the broadcast, and they got the skycam now,
Speaker 4: they just installed the skycam.
Speaker 5: Last couple weeks.
Speaker 4: A few of those throws he made on that last
Speaker 4: drive were cinema. I mean that twenty one yard are
Speaker 4: to Chase with anticipation as he's getting absolutely blasted, throwing
Speaker 4: that thing blind in a perfect spot.
Speaker 5: That's amazing.
Speaker 4: That final touchdown to Chase, there's two defenders between him.
Speaker 4: You can't really see it on the side angle. They
Speaker 4: showed it again on the broadcast. I don't know if
Speaker 4: any quarterback wide receiver combination in the NFL is completing
Speaker 4: that pass. Then those two LSU dudes who are so
Speaker 4: insanc Chase goes for two hundred and sixty four yards
Speaker 4: and three touchdowns in the game and they hit it.
Speaker 4: So it does feel a little anti climactic that the
Speaker 4: very next play they don't get the two points and
Speaker 4: there's a potential penalty that's missed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I fill and my brother Phil and you and
Speaker 1: I around that group text and I almost texted it,
Speaker 1: but I said, I'm going to save it for the
Speaker 1: the after show.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, way to go.
Speaker 1: I want to. I almost text you that it was
Speaker 1: shades of Tom Brady the way he was hanging in
Speaker 1: there and just timing it, floating the ball perfectly to
Speaker 1: a spot no one his receiver was going to be there.
Speaker 1: It looked just like him on that last drive. Only
Speaker 1: I guess Tom Brady and Patriots would have gotten that
Speaker 1: two point conversion in their prime.
Speaker 5: They would have gotten the call.
Speaker 4: Say that they would have gotten the call, and then
Speaker 4: they would have run it in with like James White
Speaker 4: and yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're in in that. That's to your point
Speaker 1: that these bad calls I mean, I know Cincinnati fans
Speaker 1: are a little tired, and there's this narrative that Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes and the Chiefs get all the calls, and that's
Speaker 1: one that you would assume they would get and and
Speaker 1: maybe that's the difference in what they're complaining about. I
Speaker 1: didn't see anything outside. I mean, I know those calls
Speaker 1: are there and they're missed. I didn't see anything too
Speaker 1: to egregious except one holding call on on Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 1: Where the guy he's about Lamar Jackson, and they absolutely
Speaker 1: I can't. I'm losing the left left tackle's name there
Speaker 1: for the Ravens.
Speaker 5: Ronnie Stanley.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He he did a great job on hendricks in
Speaker 1: all game. By the way, I told you that was
Speaker 1: the toping point before the game that I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: the Bengals needed to get pressure or they would get destroyed.
Speaker 1: And and that was He did a great job the
Speaker 1: whole game on Hendrickson, except for that play where he
Speaker 1: tackled him. I guess you could you could say in
Speaker 1: the end he did do a great.
Speaker 4: Job, right, he got away with it. I'm glad you
Speaker 4: brought that up. There's a lot we can get to,
Speaker 4: but I think the difference in the pass rush is
Speaker 4: really important when comparing the two quarterbacks. So yes, Lamar
Speaker 4: Jackson ends up finishing with four touchdowns. Was absolutely clutched
Speaker 4: in the biggest moments like he's been all year. So
Speaker 4: overall a really good performance, but through two and a
Speaker 4: half quarters, they weren't getting anything done and Lamar was
Speaker 4: protected well all night. The Bengals totaled one quarterback hit
Speaker 4: all night, zero sacks, so he was just sitting back
Speaker 4: there with time to throw and not finding a lot
Speaker 4: of receivers open for much of the game. Would you
Speaker 4: like to guess how many quarterback hits the Baltimore Ravens
Speaker 4: had tonight? Eleven thirteen quarterback hits on Joe Burrow. I
Speaker 4: believe he was pressured over like forty five percent of
Speaker 4: the time. I'm bringing up the stats here on next
Speaker 4: ten and Burrow was. It was one of, if not
Speaker 4: his best games of the season. I actually think Burrow's
Speaker 4: season has just been like a hair overrated because I've
Speaker 4: heard a lot of Bengals fans say like, oh, he'd
Speaker 4: be the MVP if they had a defense, and he's
Speaker 4: been the best quarterback in the league and the only
Speaker 4: thing I would say is that their offense has directly
Speaker 4: contributed to their previous three late and close losses that
Speaker 4: they had where they had chances to go win the
Speaker 4: game and they made pretty big airs, and sometimes it
Speaker 4: was Burrow making it. The first time against the Ravens,
Speaker 4: they had a chance to put the game against the
Speaker 4: Chiefs away with a fourth quarter drive and they just
Speaker 4: didn't and they left open the door and they didn't
Speaker 4: get the call.
Speaker 5: And I know that happening.
Speaker 4: The same thing with it they had a chance to
Speaker 4: go win the game and they had their worst drive
Speaker 4: of the game against the Patriots, so that happened.
Speaker 5: And even tonight it wasn't Burrow.
Speaker 4: Who made the mistake, but it was Chase Brown who's
Speaker 4: fumble kind of opened the door and really changed this
Speaker 4: game around. But tonight I can find no fault through
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow's performance that was freaking incredible, even the fourth
Speaker 4: and ten on that final drive to Yoshavas, where again
Speaker 4: his offensive lineman Volsen got beaten so fast off the
Speaker 4: snap it was by Travis Jones that any other quarterback
Speaker 4: I think is not completing that he had to throw
Speaker 4: it a half second early. He's getting blasted all game long,
Speaker 4: he's fighting through injuries. Yoshavas makes the tough catch to
Speaker 4: keep that drive going, and he just he was electric
Speaker 4: all night. So he deserved better. And somehow I think
Speaker 4: a quarterback playing this well is going to find his
Speaker 4: way to the playoffs.
Speaker 5: The season is not over. Nick at four and six.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've talked to you about this before. I think
Speaker 1: the Bengals offense, if you look historically over the last
Speaker 1: three or four years, they're a rhythm offense. And when
Speaker 1: they're in rhythm, the play calls seem easy. Everything seems easy.
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow made it look easy today. I don't think
Speaker 1: it was. But really, people are gonna point to the
Speaker 1: Brown fumble. They had the Chase Brown fumble there as
Speaker 1: the turning point, but it was really that mistackle by
Speaker 1: Cam Taylor Britt and then Logan Wilson and I don't
Speaker 1: remember which safety it was that whiffed on pushing a
Speaker 1: guy at and pushing Wallace out of bounds on that
Speaker 1: big long touchdown, but that you know, they were up
Speaker 1: twenty one to seven before the fumble. They give up
Speaker 1: the touchdown on the short field. It happens, but then
Speaker 1: you just let them that should have been a six
Speaker 1: yard game easy tackle, and instead it goes for seventy
Speaker 1: yards and or eighty yards in a touchdown. That you
Speaker 1: just can't do that and expect to win games.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's that's the thing about this loss is when
Speaker 4: you lose, the bad plays get magnified. And you did think,
Speaker 4: I did think about all the other ways they've lost
Speaker 4: games this year, and that play, you're absolutely right. Let's
Speaker 4: actually listen to it from the Baltimore radio broadcast.
Speaker 3: Jackson of the gun. He wants to throw a third
Speaker 3: down quick release and it's complete Tyland Wallace Great's attackle
Speaker 3: he to the thirty Steve Parm's a man at thirty
Speaker 3: five to forty.
Speaker 2: Midfield down the sideline and played thirty twenty ten touch down.
Speaker 2: Ravens Tyland Wallace.
Speaker 5: For his biggest play.
Speaker 2: Since a walk off punt return a year.
Speaker 3: Ago, eighty four yards and the Ravens are right back
Speaker 3: at it.
Speaker 4: And that's a microcosm of the Bengals defensive season because
Speaker 4: Kim Taylor Britt doesn't take a good angle, doesn't get
Speaker 4: him out of bounds to begin with.
Speaker 5: Not a great play by him, But the.
Speaker 4: Bigger problem to me was Logan Wilson is just kind
Speaker 4: of jogging over there for a while, realizes, oh, the
Speaker 4: play's still going, has kind of a half arted shove,
Speaker 4: and then it's Tyland Wallace is gone and then their
Speaker 4: safety play has been bad all year. Von Bell was
Speaker 4: bad in this game. Geno Stone has been not good.
Speaker 4: They missed Jesse Bates and it was Stone that takes
Speaker 4: a bad angle there. And so that's early in the
Speaker 4: fourth quarter and they're cruising midway through the third uh
Speaker 4: nick before that Chase Brown fumble. Suddenly a couple plays
Speaker 4: later that the Ravens finally you know, get a quick touchdown,
Speaker 4: and just a couple of minutes later is that defensive breakdown.
Speaker 4: And that's the sort of stuff that's been happening to
Speaker 4: the Bengals defense this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they haven't been good. And I know people are saying, well,
Speaker 1: they've they've played better in spots, but it's been against
Speaker 1: bad teams. They've looked really the defense looked very stout
Speaker 1: against bad teams and against the good offensive offenses, they've
Speaker 1: been absolutely torched. This is another game, now, I really was,
Speaker 1: you know, halfway through the third say it's gonna be like,
Speaker 1: hey man, I was completely wrong about my evaluation this game.
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be a shootout. It
Speaker 1: didn't turn out that way, and I'm thinking something going
Speaker 1: to happen here, And like you said, like because even
Speaker 1: on that even on that drive with Brown, they had
Speaker 1: already gotten one with brown fumble, I think they had
Speaker 1: already gotten one first down. They were going to another
Speaker 1: one before he fumbles it. And you know, it would
Speaker 1: have been I think second and one or third and
Speaker 1: one on that play if he doesn't fumble it. They
Speaker 1: looked unstoppable really, and it's these long, drawn out drives
Speaker 1: that they were doing, you know, and then they get
Speaker 1: the quick hits because of it.
Speaker 4: So are you going through our long text thread here, Nick,
Speaker 4: because that feels like fifteen hours ago. At that point
Speaker 4: it was twenty one to seven Bengals. Yeah, they had
Speaker 4: the ball, they had just gotten another stop, and they're
Speaker 4: starting deep in their own end and I'm thinking, Wow,
Speaker 4: this is really set up for the Bengals to just
Speaker 4: grind them into dust with some long, slow drives. And
Speaker 4: You're right, he Burrow hit a big third down early
Speaker 4: in that drive, and I'm saying, like, okay, this is it.
Speaker 5: Like, uh, I'm rooting.
Speaker 4: You know, let's go Nickel and dimonon to death, and
Speaker 4: now it's over. And a second later that fumble happens.
Speaker 4: And as good as the Bengals defense was, and it
Speaker 4: was really good, let's review it through midway through this
Speaker 4: third quarter, this is what had happened. They had given
Speaker 4: up seven points, they had given up the touchdown drive.
Speaker 4: They had forced four to three and outs on the Ravens,
Speaker 4: the best offense, not just in the league, but one
Speaker 4: of the best offenses. You know, through nine weeks in
Speaker 4: NFL history. They had forced five punts that already was
Speaker 4: the season high in any Ravens game. They haven't punted
Speaker 4: five times in any Ravens game. And then suddenly the
Speaker 4: next four drives on a short field touchdown, the Tylon
Speaker 4: Wallace blows it touchdown, and then it was just over.
Speaker 4: The next two touchdown drives after that were just more
Speaker 4: regular Ravens, just looking like an awesome offense at a
Speaker 4: spot where look, if the Bengals had gotten a stop
Speaker 4: either time there, Joe Burrow was showing them he was
Speaker 4: probably gonna keep scoring and they would have won that game.
Speaker 4: And they couldn't, and they gave up four straight touchdown
Speaker 4: drives to end the game brutal and got to give
Speaker 4: the Ravens credit to for getting off the mat after
Speaker 4: they're not really haven't any any answers for a while,
Speaker 4: Lamar did some amazing things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, having Mark Andrews playing now is great to see.
Speaker 1: He looked tremendous in this game. He's a great security
Speaker 1: blanket and he's just fast enough to beat those linebackers
Speaker 1: over the top. He he had a great game. I've
Speaker 1: told you in the past that I think Flowers is incredible.
Speaker 1: He's nifty in space, he can make people miss, he's
Speaker 1: a good route runner. He's he seems to always be open.
Speaker 1: It's whether whether they give it to throw throw them
Speaker 1: the ball or not. Yeah, it was. It was a
Speaker 1: wild game. I didn't want to give talk all about
Speaker 1: the Bengals because the Ravens did, you know, come back
Speaker 1: and play play a great game.
Speaker 4: Oh don't worry, Nick, You know, I don't know how
Speaker 4: many Thursday Nights you've listened to.
Speaker 5: We're just getting started. Let's actually listen to.
Speaker 4: Let's actually listen to one of the crazy moments of
Speaker 4: this comeback, which was the Lamar Jackson scramble that got
Speaker 4: them to the one yard line, where he had backed
Speaker 4: up all the way to the thirty next end. Stat
Speaker 4: say he traveled fifty eight point one yards on this scramble.
Speaker 3: Les Take a listen, Lamar wants to throw from the
Speaker 3: shatka drifting to the right, back pedaling the thirty yard line, sprinting,
Speaker 3: coming down the near sideline, tip toeing down the sidelines.
Speaker 3: He's in the fifteen to ten five Lamar, So.
Speaker 2: You want to speak, he's a little one.
Speaker 1: Then he's stopped there. What a play by Lamar attraction?
Speaker 5: I mean, that's just you don't see anyone but Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5: Do they play?
Speaker 4: And that was that was after the fumble, Like there
Speaker 4: was no guarantee that suddenly they were get on track.
Speaker 4: That play kind of kickstarted their offense finally playing.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I agree that you know what I texted you.
Speaker 1: I won't say the exact words, but when big guys
Speaker 1: are trying to chase down Lamar Jackson, it's not gonna
Speaker 1: end very well for the big guys. Not speaking from
Speaker 1: experience or anything there, but you know, because I'm very
Speaker 1: fleet to foot, But you know.
Speaker 5: Are you though you know you say you are? That's
Speaker 5: you talk a lot of trash about the athlete that
Speaker 5: you were when you were younger.
Speaker 1: Well, I was younger. I was very fast. Now in
Speaker 1: a straight line, I can still run fast for a
Speaker 1: big guy. Anyway, I'm not. I'm sure there's video evidence
Speaker 1: out there somewhere. You could ask my wife or something.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I wanted to make one point about lou
Speaker 1: Ana Romo. He talks a lot about three and outs,
Speaker 1: when when the pre when he's in front of the press,
Speaker 1: and that that's the key to this defense. And you
Speaker 1: saw tonight and when they when they got them off
Speaker 1: the field, I mean you saw heads hanging on on
Speaker 1: the Ravens hardball, looked confused and angry on the sideline
Speaker 1: that they couldn't move the ball. But they you know,
Speaker 1: that's what I say, Like the offense and the defense
Speaker 1: aren't driving really well because they're not. They're not. They're
Speaker 1: just not. They're they're not in sync. And and when
Speaker 1: the defense has played well, that the offense hasn't really
Speaker 1: put teams away.
Speaker 4: Right because look, the the Bengals get a touchdown on
Speaker 4: the very first play of the third quarter. That was
Speaker 4: the sixty seven year to Chase. We'll listen to the
Speaker 4: chase touchdowns.
Speaker 5: In a minute.
Speaker 4: But after that, actually, in the second half, after the fumble,
Speaker 4: they kind of let the Ravens back in this game
Speaker 4: because they had a quick punt there. For all the
Speaker 4: issues that the Ravens defense had in this game, and
Speaker 4: there were many, they actually did force three punts and
Speaker 4: had the Bengals turn the ball over on downs twice
Speaker 4: and there was a fumble. So it reminds me a
Speaker 4: little bit of that classic I think it was Thursday
Speaker 4: night game between the Rams and the Chiefs where the
Speaker 4: score was absolutely bonkers, but there was actually more defense
Speaker 4: than you remember played in it. A lot of key
Speaker 4: stops And one of the things that was interesting is
Speaker 4: three different times in this game, Nick the Bengals passed
Speaker 4: on really long field goals. One would have been fifty eight,
Speaker 4: one would have been fifty seven, the other one would
Speaker 4: have been fifty one to go for it, and you know,
Speaker 4: they weren't successful. They didn't really have a lot of faith.
Speaker 4: Right now, maybe in Evan McPherson, I guess from from
Speaker 4: over fifty. And it's funny because three years ago this
Speaker 4: was the matchup of the best two kickers in the league,
Speaker 4: and right now it's it's Justin Tucker who's really struggling
Speaker 4: and missed extra point could have loomed large in this game.
Speaker 4: And then Evan Evan McPherson, who's maybe not what he
Speaker 4: once was. Nick not a lot of faith there.
Speaker 1: They have reason not to trust him. He's been very inconsistent.
Speaker 1: Even the shortfield goals sometimes are just sneaking in and
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. You know, Chris used to
Speaker 1: say that that kickers were head cases. You know, they
Speaker 1: get on a roll and they can't be stopped, and
Speaker 1: meant the first kick they missed, suddenly they're in their heads.
Speaker 1: So maybe Chris had a point there, and they are streaky.
Speaker 1: It's just like any other position. You get on rolls
Speaker 1: and you go and you know, kickers, you just we've
Speaker 1: gotten kind of spoiled because we've seen so many kickers
Speaker 1: just nailing fifty five yarders on regularly. Now. You know,
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, you would question whether you'd ever even
Speaker 1: kick a fifty five yarder unless the game was on
Speaker 1: the line, you know. So you know, I think I
Speaker 1: think we expect, we have had expectations of those two
Speaker 1: and they've just let us down. This year.
Speaker 4: It was an interesting night by Zach Taylor. Early on,
Speaker 4: he goes for on fourth down, he gets it, and
Speaker 4: then I brought up the two times where they passed
Speaker 4: on the on the really long field goals and then
Speaker 4: failed on the fourth downs. They end up two for
Speaker 4: four on fourth down. He also had a very gutsy
Speaker 4: I think it was Tanner Hudson's sneak over center at
Speaker 4: his own thirty nine. That's one of those plays that
Speaker 4: if they didn't hit it, he would have gotten killed
Speaker 4: for it.
Speaker 5: And they barely got it.
Speaker 4: It was a good effort by Hudson, but they did
Speaker 4: get it, and then they go for the two at
Speaker 4: the end of the game. It was interesting because I
Speaker 4: don't think Zach Taylor from a few years ago is
Speaker 4: going for all these fours. But I do give him
Speaker 4: credit for recognizing the team that he has and I
Speaker 4: think playing to it. And ultimately we didn't even talk
Speaker 4: about this, like I think it was the right decision
Speaker 4: to go for two at the end of the game.
Speaker 4: The only argument against it was there was still a
Speaker 4: lot of time on the clock, So even if you
Speaker 4: got the two, I'm not counting out the Ravens from
Speaker 4: getting a field goal there. But that that kind of
Speaker 4: speaks to also why you go for it, because if
Speaker 4: they lost the coin flip in overtime and they might
Speaker 4: not win the game anyways, even if you.
Speaker 5: Get the two, it's like you got to be aggressive.
Speaker 1: Well. You also in the first game played very conservatively
Speaker 1: for that long field goal in regulation and in overtime
Speaker 1: they I think it was or maybe I'm maybe it
Speaker 1: was just an overtime.
Speaker 5: He threw the interception Burrow.
Speaker 4: That was That was one of the things that was
Speaker 4: sticking in my head where he's had just a couple
Speaker 4: of plays, even in great performances, he had the interception
Speaker 4: in regulation and then in overtime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got conservative, maybe yeah, but then they got
Speaker 1: conservative in overtime. And either you trust your guy to
Speaker 1: be a world, world class quarterback or you don't. And
Speaker 1: that's my problem. In the first game. This this this game.
Speaker 1: You're right, the defense wasn't stopping anything. So if the
Speaker 1: Ravens got the ball back, I think they score. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know about you know, thirty seconds left, I
Speaker 1: don't know how many. I think the Ravens still had
Speaker 1: a time out or two there, but you know, they
Speaker 1: weren't going to I don't know the Bengals were't going
Speaker 1: to stop over time.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't count it out the way they were going now.
Speaker 4: I don't know if Tucker hits that kick, but it
Speaker 4: would not have been that difficult to get into field goal,
Speaker 4: and so we've seen it.
Speaker 1: Certainly not over time. I wouldn't trust the Bengals. I
Speaker 1: don't trust the Bengals to stop anyone anytime. But you
Speaker 1: know it is what it is. And your point about
Speaker 1: so well, the conservative calls from a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: we could do that because it could rely on his
Speaker 1: defense to get stops. So yeah, you do punt the
Speaker 1: ball away or kickfield goals because you know the defense
Speaker 1: is going to come up and make big plays. They
Speaker 1: don't make any plays. It's the biggest difference between this
Speaker 1: Bengals teams and in the good ones from the past
Speaker 1: few years. The turnovers are killing them and they're not
Speaker 1: turning the ball over in these key games, so they
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're giving them up and they're not
Speaker 1: getting them. The first Ravens game, they had that interception.
Speaker 1: Now I know they got that fumble late in the
Speaker 1: game that that could have scored. That are over time
Speaker 1: relate in the game. I'm and confused, but you know,
Speaker 1: they had to fumble late in the game where they
Speaker 1: could have scored, and then they got conservative and didn't
Speaker 1: and in this game they're down again. You mentioned the
Speaker 1: Patriots game earlier at the beginning game. They had two
Speaker 1: fumbles in that game, and one was going into the
Speaker 1: end zone. Another one was a big momentum killer because
Speaker 1: they turned the tide of that game. That's the biggest
Speaker 1: difference they're turning. They're turned the ball over too much
Speaker 1: and they're not getting turnovers on the other side.
Speaker 4: Right Ultimately, you're up twenty one to seven, You've played
Speaker 4: a nearly perfect game midway through the third quarter in Baltimore.
Speaker 4: You can put that all in the defense, but that's
Speaker 4: that's on everyone. That's a team that's finding ways to
Speaker 4: lose this year, which yeah, it is surprising, and why
Speaker 4: ultimately I'm not giving up on them because their offense
Speaker 4: is just that good and the defense has shown flashes.
Speaker 4: But they're at four and six and their best case
Speaker 4: scenario is going to be the team that no one
Speaker 4: wants to play in the first round of the playoffs
Speaker 4: because they are not winning this division at this point.
Speaker 4: After being swept by the Ravens, who are now seven
Speaker 4: to three and they're just not going to be able
Speaker 4: to catch up. They're at LA next week on Sunday
Speaker 4: Night Football. That's a really intriguing game that has been
Speaker 4: flexed in. Then they have a bye, then they play
Speaker 4: a good Steelers team at home. Then they're at Dallas
Speaker 4: at Tennessee home for Cleveland, home for Denver. That is
Speaker 4: a nice stretch. So if you can get this Chargers
Speaker 4: and maybe Steelers game, this Chargers game really looms large.
Speaker 4: Then you finish the season in Pittsburgh, which could be
Speaker 4: a fascinating like that could be the week eighteen Sunday
Speaker 4: Night Football game for like the Bengals trying to get
Speaker 4: the seven seeds. I don't think it's over, but if
Speaker 4: they had just won tonight, Nick, it would have just
Speaker 4: felt so different. The division would have felt possible, and
Speaker 4: it really would have felt like, Okay, we got wind
Speaker 4: in our sales. Every time they get close to having
Speaker 4: that happen this year, it's like these games they find
Speaker 4: a way to not make it happen.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, this is what this is what, this is what
Speaker 1: the Bengals do. This is why I can't be a fan,
Speaker 1: it's you know, I'm sure you saw it with the
Speaker 1: you know, with the Patriots for years and years they
Speaker 1: did everything right to win these close games when it
Speaker 1: came down to it, or these big games, and you're
Speaker 1: seeing it with the Chiefs. Now the Chiefs. The Chiefs
Speaker 1: don't look like a good team, but they keep winning
Speaker 1: They I should say, they don't look like a great team,
Speaker 1: but they keep winning games because their defense is making plays,
Speaker 1: and they have Pat Mahomes making just enough plays.
Speaker 4: Right, and they're stacking and they're figuring things out as
Speaker 4: the season goes along, which is it's not what this
Speaker 4: Bengals team totally feels like. Although I do feel like
Speaker 4: the offense is getting better and better. I do want
Speaker 4: to just give some.
Speaker 1: Love without Higgins tonight too.
Speaker 4: Right, That's huge because you look at the box score
Speaker 4: and it does tell you the story, like Chase ends
Speaker 4: up with two sixty four, Chase Brown ends up being
Speaker 4: the number two receiver on a bunch of checkdowns nine
Speaker 4: for fifty two. He had a couple of routes, but
Speaker 4: it was mostly checkdowns. And then it's Tanner, Hudson and
Speaker 4: Gasiki who get forty two on thirty. Not that efficient
Speaker 4: on sixteen combined targets out of their other receivers. You know,
Speaker 4: he goes to Jermaine Burton in a couple really crucial spots,
Speaker 4: he makes one catch in five targets. There was a
Speaker 4: sequence where they still had the lead late in the
Speaker 4: game and he and Burrow made some kind of curious
Speaker 4: decisions to go very deep, once to Chase into double coverage,
Speaker 4: and then once when Chase was coming open on fourth down.
Speaker 4: Instead he goes to Burton one on one down the
Speaker 4: field and he misses the throw or the timing just
Speaker 4: wasn't there to Burton. So that was a weird decision.
Speaker 4: People are blaming Zach Taylor, and I'm like, you can't
Speaker 4: blame Zach Taylor on that. Joe Burrow is a big
Speaker 4: boy and he's making decisions on what to do and
Speaker 4: he went for the risk of your throw and it
Speaker 4: didn't work out, and you got to take the good
Speaker 4: with the bad when it comes to that.
Speaker 1: Both of those plays, he had pressure and he had
Speaker 1: released the ball when he had to release him too.
Speaker 1: So if he's got that extra quarter second, maybe he
Speaker 1: sees Chase or maybe he just didn't made up his mind.
Speaker 1: I see this coverage. I'm going there and he got
Speaker 1: the coverage, so I don't know. I didn't. I wasn't
Speaker 1: watching the Prime View. I should have been Envision.
Speaker 4: I should have done Prime. The new skycam's crazy. The
Speaker 4: old Prime View which is like the All twenty two
Speaker 4: if you get you know, game Pass or whatever, that's cool.
Speaker 4: I mean, I like it. But the skycam is so unique.
Speaker 4: I just haven't seen anything quite like it before live
Speaker 4: during a game, because you know, and I recommend everyone
Speaker 4: check it out. Yeah, talking about the pressures, let's give
Speaker 4: a shout out to the Ravens pass rush. Seven pressures
Speaker 4: for Matta Week today, his best game of the season.
Speaker 4: Three sacks away with seven pressures, van Ney with five,
Speaker 4: Travis Jones with five, a couple more players with to
Speaker 4: a piece, and a lot of those were quick pressures,
Speaker 4: so they were ultimately better on the line. They missed
Speaker 4: the Orlando Brown in this game, and yet they were incredible.
Speaker 4: Burrow the first drive of the game hits a bunch
Speaker 4: of third and longs in a row before setting up
Speaker 4: what was the first of the long touchdowns to Jamar Chase.
Speaker 5: Let's listen to that.
Speaker 2: Burrow well look to throw moving to his right now.
Speaker 2: He throws over the metal run Chase. They angling toward
Speaker 2: the far Simon at thirty twenty shifteen ten five touchdown down.
Speaker 2: Chamar Chase does it again. He's dancing in the back
Speaker 2: of the end zone, turning a short pass over the
Speaker 2: middle into a sixty seven yard highlight.
Speaker 4: Okay, that was not the first drive of the game.
Speaker 4: That's my fault, of course, setting that up. But that
Speaker 4: was the first Long Chase touchdown passing. That dude is
Speaker 4: just so special. He has the vision of a running back.
Speaker 4: It's just crazy how he weaves and he sees it
Speaker 4: all before it happens. While we're here, let's just listen
Speaker 4: to both long touchdown throws to Chase. Let's listen to
Speaker 4: the first play of the Bengals offense in the second half.
Speaker 2: Burrow back to throw guns a deep down field, chases
Speaker 2: open touches at the thirty the field, ten five touchdown,
Speaker 2: seventy yards as Jamar Chase is putting on one of
Speaker 2: the great shows in Bengals history. How the heck did
Speaker 2: the Ravens tout Jamar Chase?
Speaker 3: Run right?
Speaker 4: Here's how Marcus Williams has been killing the Ravens all season.
Speaker 5: He bites and like doubles.
Speaker 4: Mike Kasiki thinks thinks Burrow's going to Gasiki over the middle,
Speaker 4: and let's Chase get over the top. What did you
Speaker 4: think of Chase stretching that play out for about ten seconds?
Speaker 4: Are like Chris is old favorite player Steve Smith used
Speaker 4: to do back at the day.
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, yeah, talk about it all time
Speaker 1: or there anyway. I think it was in response to
Speaker 1: Lamar doing his little dipsy do into the end zone
Speaker 1: on the previous thing He's still call out and then
Speaker 1: pulled it back and then whipped it into the stands.
Speaker 1: I think it was just in response to that. I
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, you could just jug into the
Speaker 1: end zone at that point, or you can show off
Speaker 1: a little bit whatever you want to do. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're the world class athlete, you get to make
Speaker 1: those decisions. I don't.
Speaker 5: I like it.
Speaker 4: I mean I like it. They're a little spicy. I
Speaker 4: saw Burrow and Lamar with a great exchange after the game.
Speaker 4: I mean, the mutual respect is off the charts. So
Speaker 4: if you can add a little spice it, a little
Speaker 4: back and forth, it's fantastic. Yeah, you mentioned that was
Speaker 4: the two point conversion that Lamar Jackson, I believe you're
Speaker 4: talking about winning one, which was a huge play in
Speaker 4: the game too, because otherwise that Tucker missed exter point
Speaker 4: would have been massive. And there's a lot of differences
Speaker 4: you can come up with in this game, but the
Speaker 4: fact that the Ravens kind of hit their two and
Speaker 4: they have that ability of Lamar to run on a
Speaker 4: night where Derrick Henry was fine, but you know, one
Speaker 4: of his quietest games of the season, sixteen for sixty eight.
Speaker 4: Early in the game, they were really hugging the line
Speaker 4: of scrimmage, a lot of defenders up there, and that's
Speaker 4: the thing the Bengals offense. The defense was pretty tough
Speaker 4: and did get the Ravens a little discombobulated for a while.
Speaker 1: They did they they did a good job and even
Speaker 1: in the first game, they did a very good job
Speaker 1: against Henry until that long run and overtime I kind
Speaker 1: of stealed it for the Ravens that I think at
Speaker 1: that point they had only had forty or forty five
Speaker 1: yards before that big run in that first game, and
Speaker 1: you saw something similar. I mean, they're they're not afraid,
Speaker 1: and that defensive line isn't afraid to play the run.
Speaker 1: You know. Again, they didn't get enough pressure when Lamar
Speaker 1: Lamar dropped back, but they did contain Henry. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't even know why they were bringing Hill into the game.
Speaker 1: Every time he got the ball, he got tackled for
Speaker 1: a loss. So, you know, just beat it to Derrick
Speaker 1: Henry all game long. I don't know why. I don't
Speaker 1: know why every third down you'd go out. And I
Speaker 1: get it that he's a better receiver and all that,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I'm not afraid of that guy.
Speaker 1: I'm afraid of Derrick Henry.
Speaker 4: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 4: back in just a second before before we go, And
Speaker 4: I appreciate you, Nick, one of my favorite people on earth.
Speaker 5: What a week this has been for me personally.
Speaker 4: I have uh, you know your face Lakeisha Jackson whistling
Speaker 4: at the house uh last last weekend, and got to
Speaker 4: see her at work a couple of days this week,
Speaker 4: which is such an amazing treat, something special when when
Speaker 4: she's in town. It was so great catching up and
Speaker 4: we were talking about Chris and just catching up on
Speaker 4: old times and everything.
Speaker 5: And now seeing you in a.
Speaker 4: Typical not so typical Bengals loss, but a heartbreaking Bengals loss.
Speaker 4: I wish Chris could have seen more of Joe Burrow
Speaker 4: because I think he would have gotten Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he knew it. Yeah, Chris knew it that before
Speaker 1: that Super Bowl. He run on there, he talked about
Speaker 1: it early in that season, and he was just built different.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I wish he would have too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he did know that that things things were changing.
Speaker 4: Just just a couple of just like little notes here,
Speaker 4: emptying out the notebook here before you go. Kyle Hamilton
Speaker 4: unfortunately left this game with an ankle injury in the
Speaker 4: first half that that would be devastating for a second day,
Speaker 4: that's not playing well. The fact that it was an ankle.
Speaker 4: If it is just an ankle quote unquote, maybe that's
Speaker 4: good news. That it's either a one week injury or
Speaker 4: high ankle sprain, it's a three week injury, whatever it is.
Speaker 4: Hopefully it's not something more serious where they're gonna have
Speaker 4: him back. They're seven and three now, they're fighting with
Speaker 4: the Steelers for first place in the AFC North. It's
Speaker 4: officially a two team race now, and they're gonna be
Speaker 4: going to the playoffs. So as long as they can
Speaker 4: get Hamilton back at some point, that's gonna be really
Speaker 4: important for them. They had another acquisition recently, Deontay Johnson.
Speaker 5: We'll see how this thing goes. It's off to a
Speaker 5: slow start.
Speaker 4: Do you remember that play right before the half where
Speaker 4: Deontay Johnson just is not urgent at all getting out
Speaker 4: of bounds on a play on his only catch, And
Speaker 4: then another play where he's on a scramble drill and
Speaker 4: trying to make a big play, he slips and falls
Speaker 4: and isn't on the same page Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5: So we'll see.
Speaker 4: But Deontay Johnson, like I was excited for this pickup.
Speaker 4: It was they didn't give up anything for it and
Speaker 4: give it some time. But he's also been an up
Speaker 4: and down player. There's a reason why I think the
Speaker 4: Steelers didn't didn't want him around. So we'll see. We'll
Speaker 4: see how that turns out. Did not, did not turn
Speaker 4: out well tonight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Kyle Hamilton when when you saw it happen live,
Speaker 1: you couldn't see the contact originally, and I thought it
Speaker 1: was one of those non contact injuries and I was
Speaker 1: really worried. And then they share the replay and you
Speaker 1: see him step on the I think lowten Wilson's foot
Speaker 1: there and turn his ankle. So yeah, I was a
Speaker 1: little bit of a relief. I mean, we'll say, have
Speaker 1: to wait. I'm not a doctor, but we'll have to
Speaker 1: wait to see what happened.
Speaker 4: In a walking boot. They said he actually returned to
Speaker 4: the sideline walking him in the boot, but a good
Speaker 4: sign that some version of a sprain. Of course, a
Speaker 4: high ankle sprain would be very serious. So so we'll
Speaker 4: see what he is and then, yeah, it was interesting.
Speaker 4: Jermaine Burton has been more of a headline, uh news
Speaker 4: maker in your neck of the woods than nationally, but
Speaker 4: it has been quite a story in Cincinnati how he
Speaker 4: didn't show up for practice after they were going to
Speaker 4: really feature him in the game plan, and I kind
Speaker 4: of thought, like, doesn't that mean they should just not
Speaker 4: activate him this week? How can you count on a
Speaker 4: dude like this at all? And instead they activate him,
Speaker 4: play him a ton, throw him five targets in key
Speaker 4: spots and didn't didn't go great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you saw this stuff in college, the
Speaker 1: rumors that were coming out of his schools that he
Speaker 1: didn't try that hard or he wasn't engaged very much,
Speaker 1: or he wasn't interested in learning the playbook. And I
Speaker 1: don't know what's true and what's not, but yeah, in town,
Speaker 1: people are there's some people that are up in arms
Speaker 1: saying they should be playing, playing them more because you know,
Speaker 1: you can see some of the talent you could in
Speaker 1: pre season. But I don't know. I didn't see much
Speaker 1: separation at all except the one the one completion he had,
Speaker 1: and that was more Burrow just launching it and as
Speaker 1: soon as he turned around and hit him in the
Speaker 1: hit him in the numbers, and he had no choice
Speaker 1: but to catch it on that one. I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not seeing the explosiveness that everyone else is up apparently
Speaker 1: saying he's getting He's okay, we'll see what happens, but yeah,
Speaker 1: is he worth the headache? I don't know. I'm not
Speaker 1: inside the room, but yeah, to not show up on
Speaker 1: a wall through on Saturday when it's your first chance
Speaker 1: to sign to shine in the game plan all year,
Speaker 1: I just don't understand it. Yeah. Actually, I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going on with them, but we'll see. We'll see
Speaker 1: if I if I hear anything else, I'll let.
Speaker 4: You know Yeah, and the Ravens, you know, they came
Speaker 4: into this game, they knew it was a big game.
Speaker 4: I didn't love that Harbass set this sort of tight,
Speaker 4: like I'm a little nervous because it's a big game,
Speaker 4: not really playing like being a calm coach early with
Speaker 4: this terrible challenge and then a really stupid time out
Speaker 4: when they had twelve men on the field when the
Speaker 4: penalty there would have only moved them like a yard anyways, like.
Speaker 5: Some bizarre uh.
Speaker 4: Just it was reminding me of like a Raven's playoff game,
Speaker 4: not to bring back like bad memories, where just everyone
Speaker 4: seemed a little tight in that first half. And obviously
Speaker 4: they got on track and now they are seven and three,
Speaker 4: and man, their schedule coming up is fascinating. They're at
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh in week eleven and so that is for first place,
Speaker 4: and then they're at the Chargers in week twelve that's
Speaker 4: a Monday night game, and then they're home for the
Speaker 4: Eagles in week thirteen before thereby, so get ready to
Speaker 4: me the Bengals with that, I mean the Ravens with
Speaker 4: that schedule, like they are in the center, the very
Speaker 4: center of the NFL. I do like how the schedule
Speaker 4: shapes up for the Lions and the Ravens kind of
Speaker 4: coming up where they're in. They're all in a bunch
Speaker 4: of really big games against big teams, and this was
Speaker 4: a big test pass. They've been kind of the opposite
Speaker 4: of the Bengals. They're coming through these these close games
Speaker 4: when they're in them.
Speaker 5: This year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, except for the couple they didn't. But but yeah.
Speaker 5: That's a great point.
Speaker 4: I right when I said that, I was like, was
Speaker 4: that a stupid thing to say, because, yeah, the Raiders
Speaker 4: and the Chiefs game to start the year, especially, we're
Speaker 4: not the Browns game recently.
Speaker 5: You're right, they could have just been losing two out
Speaker 5: of three games if they had lost.
Speaker 1: So chatter, Yeah, you see chatter on Twitter and things
Speaker 1: like that. I don't know how serious it is that
Speaker 1: people don't like hardball. I think he does a good
Speaker 1: job of featuring his best players. Uh and when you
Speaker 1: have Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry, it's probably pretty easy
Speaker 1: to coach, I would imagine. But but yeah, it's he
Speaker 1: does a good job of featuring his players. Now, the
Speaker 1: defense hasn't been great this year, especially against the past,
Speaker 1: but they'll be I think they'll be fine. And the
Speaker 1: people that are saying that he needs to go or
Speaker 1: he's not as good as people are acting like he
Speaker 1: is there. Yeah, they are crazy.
Speaker 5: Todd Munkett is doing a great job.
Speaker 4: This actually was the least I've seen like the receivers
Speaker 4: open in a while.
Speaker 5: So the Bengals did something right.
Speaker 4: The route distribution was a little weird, but they're doing
Speaker 4: a great coaching staff and they're a coaching job. They're
Speaker 4: They're a team that usually improves as the season goes along,
Speaker 4: especially defensively into seven or so.
Speaker 5: That's something to watch. I've kept you up late enough, Nick,
Speaker 5: appreciate you.
Speaker 4: Hope to uh to reconvene at some point again on
Speaker 4: NFL daily this season, and in the meantime, hope all
Speaker 4: the Westlings and Cincinnati and Columbus. Although you know you
Speaker 4: don't seem as as nice to the Columbus crew.
Speaker 5: You got to be nice to your brother Phil.
Speaker 1: Nick, I mean, I'm always nice to Phil me and
Speaker 1: him or bros. No, I'm not nice to him. And
Speaker 1: he's a big Columbus Crew fan. And they got they
Speaker 1: got tossed from the playoffs early this year, so you
Speaker 1: know they can Yeah, somewhere else.
Speaker 4: I'm on like the Westling Brothers text threat and we're
Speaker 4: getting Columbus Crew trash doc. I was like, I don't
Speaker 4: even know you're speaking a different language. It sounded like
Speaker 4: you might have had a couple. You had thrown back
Speaker 4: a couple at the bar that day.
Speaker 1: You never know. With me, I don't remember, but yeah,
Speaker 1: probably something like that.
Speaker 4: Appreciate you, Nick for for hanging out. We will be
Speaker 4: back on fro on NFL Daily and Cynthia Frielan joined
Speaker 4: me to make some picks. It was hot last week
Speaker 4: with three and oho with my picks against the spread.
Speaker 4: You want to throw out a pick just last second
Speaker 4: on the spot. You have two seconds, Nick.
Speaker 1: I do you don't even know who's playing this week?
Speaker 4: Okay, so tune in Friday. When Nick can't come up
Speaker 4: with a pick, you know football is back