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Speaker 2: It's incomplete. It's incomplete, and with thirty eight second clip

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Speaker 3: To end the tonight and the Ravens will sweep the

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Speaker 4: A game is so good we couldn't start it with

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Speaker 4: what endsed and not without some controversy. And I'm here

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Speaker 5: It's Nick Westling from Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: What's up, Nick, Oh, not a whole lot, Greg. I

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Speaker 1: think you've touched on everything in that game. There had

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Speaker 1: You can't leave it in the hands the refs there.

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Speaker 1: And the Bengals had no reason to lose this game.

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Speaker 1: They should have been winning. They should have won this game.

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Speaker 1: They had a couple of bad plays that turned the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been the story of their season. And we'll

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Speaker 4: get all to that. Of course. Nick Westling our friend,

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Speaker 4: the brother of the namesake of our studio, Chris Westling,

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Speaker 4: of course, and famously not a Bengals fan, not even

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Speaker 4: just like a little disappointed tonight in this moment, it says, I.

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Speaker 1: Tell you all the time, I'm a casual Bengals fan.

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Speaker 4: And I feel bad for your bride. And I hate

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Speaker 5: But we'll go through it all.

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Speaker 4: And I thought you made a good point that, yes,

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Speaker 4: egregious one on that last call. They should have gotten

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Speaker 4: another chance at the one yard line. I think Ryan

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Speaker 4: For them to miss that call, it doesn't affect the

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Speaker 4: how that play happens. That the officials, you know, sometimes

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Speaker 4: It ultimately didn't really impact that play because Burrow.

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Speaker 5: And I know that happening.

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Speaker 5: The season is not over. Nick at four and six.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've talked to you about this before. I think

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Speaker 4: So are you going through our long text thread here, Nick,

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Speaker 4: You know, let's go Nickel and dimonon to death, and

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Speaker 4: now it's over. And a second later that fumble happens.

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Speaker 4: And as good as the Bengals defense was, and it

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Speaker 4: They had forced four to three and outs on the Ravens,

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Speaker 4: The next two touchdown drives after that were just more

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Speaker 4: And they couldn't, and they gave up four straight touchdown

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Speaker 4: they're not really haven't any any answers for a while,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, having Mark Andrews playing now is great to see.

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Speaker 1: He looked tremendous in this game. He's a great security

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Speaker 4: Oh don't worry, Nick, You know, I don't know how

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Speaker 5: We're just getting started. Let's actually listen to.

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Speaker 4: Let's actually listen to one of the crazy moments of

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Speaker 4: say he traveled fifty eight point one yards on this scramble.

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Speaker 3: Les Take a listen, Lamar wants to throw from the

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Speaker 3: shatka drifting to the right, back pedaling the thirty yard line, sprinting,

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Speaker 3: He's in the fifteen to ten five Lamar, So.

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Speaker 1: Then he's stopped there. What a play by Lamar attraction?

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's just you don't see anyone but Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 5: Do they play?

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Speaker 4: And that was that was after the fumble, Like there

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Speaker 4: That play kind of kickstarted their offense finally playing.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I agree that you know what I texted you.

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Speaker 5: Are you though you know you say you are? That's

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Speaker 5: you talk a lot of trash about the athlete that

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Speaker 1: Well, I was younger. I was very fast. Now in

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Speaker 1: that's what I say, Like the offense and the defense

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Speaker 4: Right because look, the the Bengals get a touchdown on

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Speaker 5: In a minute.

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Speaker 4: But after that, actually, in the second half, after the fumble,

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Speaker 4: there were many, they actually did force three punts and

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Speaker 4: Right now, maybe in Evan McPherson, I guess from from

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Speaker 4: and right now it's it's Justin Tucker who's really struggling

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Speaker 1: They have reason not to trust him. He's been very inconsistent.

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Speaker 1: It's just like any other position. You get on rolls

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Speaker 4: It was an interesting night by Zach Taylor. Early on,

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Speaker 5: And they barely got it.

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Speaker 4: It was a good effort by Hudson, but they did

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Speaker 4: The only argument against it was there was still a

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Speaker 5: Get the two, it's like you got to be aggressive.

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Speaker 4: That was That was one of the things that was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they got conservative, maybe yeah, but then they got

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Speaker 1: don't know how many. I think the Ravens still had

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Speaker 1: a time out or two there, but you know, they

438
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Speaker 1: weren't going to I don't know the Bengals were't going

439
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 1: to stop over time.

440
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Speaker 5: I wouldn't count it out the way they were going now.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if Tucker hits that kick, but it

442
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 4: would not have been that difficult to get into field goal,

443
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Speaker 4: and so we've seen it.

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Speaker 1: Certainly not over time. I wouldn't trust the Bengals. I

445
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 1: don't trust the Bengals to stop anyone anytime. But you

446
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 1: know it is what it is. And your point about

447
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:27,120
Speaker 1: so well, the conservative calls from a couple of years ago,

448
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 1: we could do that because it could rely on his

449
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 1: defense to get stops. So yeah, you do punt the

450
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 1: ball away or kickfield goals because you know the defense

451
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Speaker 1: is going to come up and make big plays. They

452
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Speaker 1: don't make any plays. It's the biggest difference between this

453
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Speaker 1: Bengals teams and in the good ones from the past

454
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Speaker 1: few years. The turnovers are killing them and they're not

455
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Speaker 1: turning the ball over in these key games, so they

456
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Speaker 1: you know, they're they're giving them up and they're not

457
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Speaker 1: getting them. The first Ravens game, they had that interception.

458
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Speaker 1: Now I know they got that fumble late in the

459
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Speaker 1: game that that could have scored. That are over time

460
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Speaker 1: relate in the game. I'm and confused, but you know,

461
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Speaker 1: they had to fumble late in the game where they

462
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Speaker 1: could have scored, and then they got conservative and didn't

463
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Speaker 1: and in this game they're down again. You mentioned the

464
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Speaker 1: Patriots game earlier at the beginning game. They had two

465
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Speaker 1: fumbles in that game, and one was going into the

466
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Speaker 1: end zone. Another one was a big momentum killer because

467
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 1: they turned the tide of that game. That's the biggest

468
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Speaker 1: difference they're turning. They're turned the ball over too much

469
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Speaker 1: and they're not getting turnovers on the other side.

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Speaker 4: Right Ultimately, you're up twenty one to seven, You've played

471
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Speaker 4: a nearly perfect game midway through the third quarter in Baltimore.

472
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Speaker 4: You can put that all in the defense, but that's

473
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Speaker 4: that's on everyone. That's a team that's finding ways to

474
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Speaker 4: lose this year, which yeah, it is surprising, and why

475
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Speaker 4: ultimately I'm not giving up on them because their offense

476
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 4: is just that good and the defense has shown flashes.

477
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Speaker 4: But they're at four and six and their best case

478
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 4: scenario is going to be the team that no one

479
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 4: wants to play in the first round of the playoffs

480
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Speaker 4: because they are not winning this division at this point.

481
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Speaker 4: After being swept by the Ravens, who are now seven

482
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Speaker 4: to three and they're just not going to be able

483
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Speaker 4: to catch up. They're at LA next week on Sunday

484
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Speaker 4: Night Football. That's a really intriguing game that has been

485
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Speaker 4: flexed in. Then they have a bye, then they play

486
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Speaker 4: a good Steelers team at home. Then they're at Dallas

487
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Speaker 4: at Tennessee home for Cleveland, home for Denver. That is

488
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 4: a nice stretch. So if you can get this Chargers

489
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 4: and maybe Steelers game, this Chargers game really looms large.

490
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Speaker 4: Then you finish the season in Pittsburgh, which could be

491
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Speaker 4: a fascinating like that could be the week eighteen Sunday

492
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Speaker 4: Night Football game for like the Bengals trying to get

493
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Speaker 4: the seven seeds. I don't think it's over, but if

494
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Speaker 4: they had just won tonight, Nick, it would have just

495
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 4: felt so different. The division would have felt possible, and

496
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Speaker 4: it really would have felt like, Okay, we got wind

497
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Speaker 4: in our sales. Every time they get close to having

498
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Speaker 4: that happen this year, it's like these games they find

499
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Speaker 4: a way to not make it happen.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, this is what this is what, this is what

501
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: the Bengals do. This is why I can't be a fan,

502
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 1: it's you know, I'm sure you saw it with the

503
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, with the Patriots for years and years they

504
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: did everything right to win these close games when it

505
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: came down to it, or these big games, and you're

506
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: seeing it with the Chiefs. Now the Chiefs. The Chiefs

507
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 1: don't look like a good team, but they keep winning

508
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 1: They I should say, they don't look like a great team,

509
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 1: but they keep winning games because their defense is making plays,

510
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 1: and they have Pat Mahomes making just enough plays.

511
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Speaker 4: Right, and they're stacking and they're figuring things out as

512
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 4: the season goes along, which is it's not what this

513
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 4: Bengals team totally feels like. Although I do feel like

514
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 4: the offense is getting better and better. I do want

515
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Speaker 4: to just give some.

516
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Speaker 1: Love without Higgins tonight too.

517
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Speaker 4: Right, That's huge because you look at the box score

518
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Speaker 4: and it does tell you the story, like Chase ends

519
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 4: up with two sixty four, Chase Brown ends up being

520
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 4: the number two receiver on a bunch of checkdowns nine

521
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Speaker 4: for fifty two. He had a couple of routes, but

522
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Speaker 4: it was mostly checkdowns. And then it's Tanner, Hudson and

523
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Speaker 4: Gasiki who get forty two on thirty. Not that efficient

524
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 4: on sixteen combined targets out of their other receivers. You know,

525
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 4: he goes to Jermaine Burton in a couple really crucial spots,

526
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Speaker 4: he makes one catch in five targets. There was a

527
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Speaker 4: sequence where they still had the lead late in the

528
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Speaker 4: game and he and Burrow made some kind of curious

529
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Speaker 4: decisions to go very deep, once to Chase into double coverage,

530
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Speaker 4: and then once when Chase was coming open on fourth down.

531
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Speaker 4: Instead he goes to Burton one on one down the

532
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Speaker 4: field and he misses the throw or the timing just

533
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Speaker 4: wasn't there to Burton. So that was a weird decision.

534
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Speaker 4: People are blaming Zach Taylor, and I'm like, you can't

535
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Speaker 4: blame Zach Taylor on that. Joe Burrow is a big

536
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 4: boy and he's making decisions on what to do and

537
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 4: he went for the risk of your throw and it

538
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 4: didn't work out, and you got to take the good

539
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Speaker 4: with the bad when it comes to that.

540
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Speaker 1: Both of those plays, he had pressure and he had

541
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Speaker 1: released the ball when he had to release him too.

542
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Speaker 1: So if he's got that extra quarter second, maybe he

543
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 1: sees Chase or maybe he just didn't made up his mind.

544
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Speaker 1: I see this coverage. I'm going there and he got

545
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Speaker 1: the coverage, so I don't know. I didn't. I wasn't

546
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: watching the Prime View. I should have been Envision.

547
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Speaker 4: I should have done Prime. The new skycam's crazy. The

548
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 4: old Prime View which is like the All twenty two

549
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 4: if you get you know, game Pass or whatever, that's cool.

550
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 4: I mean, I like it. But the skycam is so unique.

551
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 4: I just haven't seen anything quite like it before live

552
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 4: during a game, because you know, and I recommend everyone

553
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 4: check it out. Yeah, talking about the pressures, let's give

554
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 4: a shout out to the Ravens pass rush. Seven pressures

555
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 4: for Matta Week today, his best game of the season.

556
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 4: Three sacks away with seven pressures, van Ney with five,

557
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 4: Travis Jones with five, a couple more players with to

558
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 4: a piece, and a lot of those were quick pressures,

559
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 4: so they were ultimately better on the line. They missed

560
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 4: the Orlando Brown in this game, and yet they were incredible.

561
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Speaker 4: Burrow the first drive of the game hits a bunch

562
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Speaker 4: of third and longs in a row before setting up

563
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Speaker 4: what was the first of the long touchdowns to Jamar Chase.

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Speaker 5: Let's listen to that.

565
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Speaker 2: Burrow well look to throw moving to his right now.

566
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Speaker 2: He throws over the metal run Chase. They angling toward

567
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: the far Simon at thirty twenty shifteen ten five touchdown down.

568
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: Chamar Chase does it again. He's dancing in the back

569
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Speaker 2: of the end zone, turning a short pass over the

570
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Speaker 2: middle into a sixty seven yard highlight.

571
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Speaker 4: Okay, that was not the first drive of the game.

572
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 4: That's my fault, of course, setting that up. But that

573
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 4: was the first Long Chase touchdown passing. That dude is

574
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 4: just so special. He has the vision of a running back.

575
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Speaker 4: It's just crazy how he weaves and he sees it

576
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 4: all before it happens. While we're here, let's just listen

577
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 4: to both long touchdown throws to Chase. Let's listen to

578
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 4: the first play of the Bengals offense in the second half.

579
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Speaker 2: Burrow back to throw guns a deep down field, chases

580
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 2: open touches at the thirty the field, ten five touchdown,

581
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Speaker 2: seventy yards as Jamar Chase is putting on one of

582
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Speaker 2: the great shows in Bengals history. How the heck did

583
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,719
Speaker 2: the Ravens tout Jamar Chase?

584
00:27:59,359 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: Run right?

585
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 4: Here's how Marcus Williams has been killing the Ravens all season.

586
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 5: He bites and like doubles.

587
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 4: Mike Kasiki thinks thinks Burrow's going to Gasiki over the middle,

588
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 4: and let's Chase get over the top. What did you

589
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 4: think of Chase stretching that play out for about ten seconds?

590
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 4: Are like Chris is old favorite player Steve Smith used

591
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 4: to do back at the day.

592
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Speaker 1: I think, I mean, yeah, talk about it all time

593
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: or there anyway. I think it was in response to

594
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: Lamar doing his little dipsy do into the end zone

595
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: on the previous thing He's still call out and then

596
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: pulled it back and then whipped it into the stands.

597
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: I think it was just in response to that. I

598
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, you could just jug into the

599
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: end zone at that point, or you can show off

600
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: a little bit whatever you want to do. I mean,

601
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Speaker 1: if you're the world class athlete, you get to make

602
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Speaker 1: those decisions. I don't.

603
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Speaker 5: I like it.

604
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 4: I mean I like it. They're a little spicy. I

605
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 4: saw Burrow and Lamar with a great exchange after the game.

606
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 4: I mean, the mutual respect is off the charts. So

607
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 4: if you can add a little spice it, a little

608
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 4: back and forth, it's fantastic. Yeah, you mentioned that was

609
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 4: the two point conversion that Lamar Jackson, I believe you're

610
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 4: talking about winning one, which was a huge play in

611
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 4: the game too, because otherwise that Tucker missed exter point

612
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 4: would have been massive. And there's a lot of differences

613
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 4: you can come up with in this game, but the

614
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 4: fact that the Ravens kind of hit their two and

615
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 4: they have that ability of Lamar to run on a

616
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 4: night where Derrick Henry was fine, but you know, one

617
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 4: of his quietest games of the season, sixteen for sixty eight.

618
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Speaker 4: Early in the game, they were really hugging the line

619
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Speaker 4: of scrimmage, a lot of defenders up there, and that's

620
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 4: the thing the Bengals offense. The defense was pretty tough

621
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Speaker 4: and did get the Ravens a little discombobulated for a while.

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Speaker 1: They did they they did a good job and even

623
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Speaker 1: in the first game, they did a very good job

624
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: against Henry until that long run and overtime I kind

625
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: of stealed it for the Ravens that I think at

626
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: that point they had only had forty or forty five

627
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Speaker 1: yards before that big run in that first game, and

628
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: you saw something similar. I mean, they're they're not afraid,

629
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Speaker 1: and that defensive line isn't afraid to play the run.

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Speaker 1: You know. Again, they didn't get enough pressure when Lamar

631
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: Lamar dropped back, but they did contain Henry. Well, I

632
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: don't even know why they were bringing Hill into the game.

633
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: Every time he got the ball, he got tackled for

634
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: a loss. So, you know, just beat it to Derrick

635
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: Henry all game long. I don't know why. I don't

636
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: know why every third down you'd go out. And I

637
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: get it that he's a better receiver and all that,

638
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I'm not afraid of that guy.

639
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm afraid of Derrick Henry.

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00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 4: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be

641
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 4: back in just a second before before we go, And

642
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 4: I appreciate you, Nick, one of my favorite people on earth.

643
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 5: What a week this has been for me personally.

644
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 4: I have uh, you know your face Lakeisha Jackson whistling

645
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 4: at the house uh last last weekend, and got to

646
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 4: see her at work a couple of days this week,

647
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 4: which is such an amazing treat, something special when when

648
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 4: she's in town. It was so great catching up and

649
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 4: we were talking about Chris and just catching up on

650
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,479
Speaker 4: old times and everything.

651
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 5: And now seeing you in a.

652
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 4: Typical not so typical Bengals loss, but a heartbreaking Bengals loss.

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00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 4: I wish Chris could have seen more of Joe Burrow

654
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 4: because I think he would have gotten Oh.

655
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, he knew it. Yeah, Chris knew it that before

656
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: that Super Bowl. He run on there, he talked about

657
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: it early in that season, and he was just built different.

658
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, I wish he would have too.

659
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he did know that that things things were changing.

660
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 4: Just just a couple of just like little notes here,

661
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 4: emptying out the notebook here before you go. Kyle Hamilton

662
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 4: unfortunately left this game with an ankle injury in the

663
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 4: first half that that would be devastating for a second day,

664
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 4: that's not playing well. The fact that it was an ankle.

665
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 4: If it is just an ankle quote unquote, maybe that's

666
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 4: good news. That it's either a one week injury or

667
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 4: high ankle sprain, it's a three week injury, whatever it is.

668
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 4: Hopefully it's not something more serious where they're gonna have

669
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 4: him back. They're seven and three now, they're fighting with

670
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 4: the Steelers for first place in the AFC North. It's

671
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 4: officially a two team race now, and they're gonna be

672
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 4: going to the playoffs. So as long as they can

673
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 4: get Hamilton back at some point, that's gonna be really

674
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 4: important for them. They had another acquisition recently, Deontay Johnson.

675
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,479
Speaker 5: We'll see how this thing goes. It's off to a

676
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 5: slow start.

677
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 4: Do you remember that play right before the half where

678
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,719
Speaker 4: Deontay Johnson just is not urgent at all getting out

679
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 4: of bounds on a play on his only catch, And

680
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 4: then another play where he's on a scramble drill and

681
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 4: trying to make a big play, he slips and falls

682
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 4: and isn't on the same page Lamar Jackson.

683
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 5: So we'll see.

684
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 4: But Deontay Johnson, like I was excited for this pickup.

685
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 4: It was they didn't give up anything for it and

686
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 4: give it some time. But he's also been an up

687
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 4: and down player. There's a reason why I think the

688
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 4: Steelers didn't didn't want him around. So we'll see. We'll

689
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 4: see how that turns out. Did not, did not turn

690
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 4: out well tonight.

691
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Kyle Hamilton when when you saw it happen live,

692
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: you couldn't see the contact originally, and I thought it

693
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: was one of those non contact injuries and I was

694
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: really worried. And then they share the replay and you

695
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: see him step on the I think lowten Wilson's foot

696
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: there and turn his ankle. So yeah, I was a

697
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: little bit of a relief. I mean, we'll say, have

698
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: to wait. I'm not a doctor, but we'll have to

699
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: wait to see what happened.

700
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 4: In a walking boot. They said he actually returned to

701
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 4: the sideline walking him in the boot, but a good

702
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 4: sign that some version of a sprain. Of course, a

703
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 4: high ankle sprain would be very serious. So so we'll

704
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 4: see what he is and then, yeah, it was interesting.

705
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 4: Jermaine Burton has been more of a headline, uh news

706
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 4: maker in your neck of the woods than nationally, but

707
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 4: it has been quite a story in Cincinnati how he

708
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 4: didn't show up for practice after they were going to

709
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 4: really feature him in the game plan, and I kind

710
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 4: of thought, like, doesn't that mean they should just not

711
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 4: activate him this week? How can you count on a

712
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 4: dude like this at all? And instead they activate him,

713
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 4: play him a ton, throw him five targets in key

714
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 4: spots and didn't didn't go great.

715
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you saw this stuff in college, the

716
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: rumors that were coming out of his schools that he

717
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: didn't try that hard or he wasn't engaged very much,

718
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: or he wasn't interested in learning the playbook. And I

719
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 1: don't know what's true and what's not, but yeah, in town,

720
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: people are there's some people that are up in arms

721
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: saying they should be playing, playing them more because you know,

722
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: you can see some of the talent you could in

723
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 1: pre season. But I don't know. I didn't see much

724
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: separation at all except the one the one completion he had,

725
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: and that was more Burrow just launching it and as

726
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: soon as he turned around and hit him in the

727
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: hit him in the numbers, and he had no choice

728
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: but to catch it on that one. I'm not I'm

729
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: not seeing the explosiveness that everyone else is up apparently

730
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 1: saying he's getting He's okay, we'll see what happens, but yeah,

731
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: is he worth the headache? I don't know. I'm not

732
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: inside the room, but yeah, to not show up on

733
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: a wall through on Saturday when it's your first chance

734
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: to sign to shine in the game plan all year,

735
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: I just don't understand it. Yeah. Actually, I don't know

736
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: what's going on with them, but we'll see. We'll see

737
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,959
Speaker 1: if I if I hear anything else, I'll let.

738
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 4: You know Yeah, and the Ravens, you know, they came

739
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 4: into this game, they knew it was a big game.

740
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 4: I didn't love that Harbass set this sort of tight,

741
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 4: like I'm a little nervous because it's a big game,

742
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 4: not really playing like being a calm coach early with

743
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 4: this terrible challenge and then a really stupid time out

744
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 4: when they had twelve men on the field when the

745
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 4: penalty there would have only moved them like a yard anyways, like.

746
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 5: Some bizarre uh.

747
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 4: Just it was reminding me of like a Raven's playoff game,

748
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 4: not to bring back like bad memories, where just everyone

749
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 4: seemed a little tight in that first half. And obviously

750
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 4: they got on track and now they are seven and three,

751
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 4: and man, their schedule coming up is fascinating. They're at

752
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh in week eleven and so that is for first place,

753
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 4: and then they're at the Chargers in week twelve that's

754
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 4: a Monday night game, and then they're home for the

755
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 4: Eagles in week thirteen before thereby, so get ready to

756
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 4: me the Bengals with that, I mean the Ravens with

757
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 4: that schedule, like they are in the center, the very

758
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 4: center of the NFL. I do like how the schedule

759
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 4: shapes up for the Lions and the Ravens kind of

760
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 4: coming up where they're in. They're all in a bunch

761
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 4: of really big games against big teams, and this was

762
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 4: a big test pass. They've been kind of the opposite

763
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 4: of the Bengals. They're coming through these these close games

764
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 4: when they're in them.

765
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 5: This year.

766
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, except for the couple they didn't. But but yeah.

767
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 5: That's a great point.

768
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 4: I right when I said that, I was like, was

769
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 4: that a stupid thing to say, because, yeah, the Raiders

770
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 4: and the Chiefs game to start the year, especially, we're

771
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 4: not the Browns game recently.

772
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 5: You're right, they could have just been losing two out

773
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 5: of three games if they had lost.

774
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: So chatter, Yeah, you see chatter on Twitter and things

775
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: like that. I don't know how serious it is that

776
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: people don't like hardball. I think he does a good

777
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: job of featuring his best players. Uh and when you

778
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 1: have Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry, it's probably pretty easy

779
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: to coach, I would imagine. But but yeah, it's he

780
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: does a good job of featuring his players. Now, the

781
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: defense hasn't been great this year, especially against the past,

782
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: but they'll be I think they'll be fine. And the

783
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: people that are saying that he needs to go or

784
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: he's not as good as people are acting like he

785
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: is there. Yeah, they are crazy.

786
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 5: Todd Munkett is doing a great job.

787
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 4: This actually was the least I've seen like the receivers

788
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 4: open in a while.

789
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 5: So the Bengals did something right.

790
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 4: The route distribution was a little weird, but they're doing

791
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 4: a great coaching staff and they're a coaching job. They're

792
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 4: They're a team that usually improves as the season goes along,

793
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 4: especially defensively into seven or so.

794
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 5: That's something to watch. I've kept you up late enough, Nick,

795
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 5: appreciate you.

796
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 4: Hope to uh to reconvene at some point again on

797
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 4: NFL daily this season, and in the meantime, hope all

798
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 4: the Westlings and Cincinnati and Columbus. Although you know you

799
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 4: don't seem as as nice to the Columbus crew.

800
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 5: You got to be nice to your brother Phil.

801
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: Nick, I mean, I'm always nice to Phil me and

802
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: him or bros. No, I'm not nice to him. And

803
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: he's a big Columbus Crew fan. And they got they

804
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: got tossed from the playoffs early this year, so you

805
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: know they can Yeah, somewhere else.

806
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 4: I'm on like the Westling Brothers text threat and we're

807
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 4: getting Columbus Crew trash doc. I was like, I don't

808
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 4: even know you're speaking a different language. It sounded like

809
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 4: you might have had a couple. You had thrown back

810
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 4: a couple at the bar that day.

811
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: You never know. With me, I don't remember, but yeah,

812
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: probably something like that.

813
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 4: Appreciate you, Nick for for hanging out. We will be

814
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 4: back on fro on NFL Daily and Cynthia Frielan joined

815
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 4: me to make some picks. It was hot last week

816
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 4: with three and oho with my picks against the spread.

817
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 4: You want to throw out a pick just last second

818
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 4: on the spot. You have two seconds, Nick.

819
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: I do you don't even know who's playing this week?

820
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 4: Okay, so tune in Friday. When Nick can't come up

821
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 4: with a pick, you know football is back