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Speaker 1: joined now by Arizona Senator Kirsten Cinema, who's joining us

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Speaker 1: for an exclusive conversation from Capitol Hill. Senator, welcome to Bloomberg.

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Speaker 1: It's great to see you. We've been looking forward to

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Speaker 1: this conversation for some time now, and I want to

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Speaker 1: start with the matter at hand, that, of course, is

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Speaker 1: the debt ceiling and an i looming apparent deal here

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Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy says it's going to be on the floor

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Speaker 1: next week. Then it becomes a question of passage, of course, Senator,

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Speaker 1: and it appears he will need some democratic votes. Can

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Speaker 1: you tell our listeners and viewers where are your red

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Speaker 2: Well, first one thing to remember is I'm proud to

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Speaker 2: to join you all today. I actually don't tend to

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Speaker 2: talk in terms of red lines. In fact, I think

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Speaker 2: that when folks come around and start talking about red lines,

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Speaker 2: that's how you tend to not get to a deal.

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Speaker 2: So what we've got to do is really focus on

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Speaker 2: coming together to find areas of shared agreement. The default,

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Speaker 2: the possibility of default is a threat to every single

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Speaker 2: if you ask me about what should I think we

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Speaker 2: do about the debt limit and default, the bottom line

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Speaker 2: when it comes to the debt limit. When either party

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Speaker 2: that's been happening for years, and it's a mistake. It's wrong.

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Speaker 2: We should never play with fire when it comes to

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Speaker 2: Now here we are Sunday.

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Speaker 3: We know that you have had a long history of

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Speaker 3: So what are you telling them directly? How have you

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Speaker 2: Well, the good news is that we've now got the

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Speaker 2: doesn't want to have a default. His folks are in

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Speaker 2: Steve Roshette and I have negotiated many a deal together

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Speaker 2: So with those folks at the table, I feel confident

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Speaker 1: Your confidence is refreshing, Senator. Though there are a lot

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Speaker 1: President Biden says he's open to additional work requirements for

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Speaker 2: It's funny because you keep mentioning the word line. And

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Speaker 2: we've long had modest work requirements for some entitlement programs,

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Speaker 3: I ultimately, if ultimately that is included in the package, Senator,

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Speaker 2: I like how you guys keep trying to come back

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Speaker 1: Senator, you had a long list of questions today for

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Speaker 2: Well, it's been clear from the last two times that

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Speaker 2: Vice Chair bar has testified in the Banking Committee that

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Speaker 2: he's acknowledged two things. One that the agency did have

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Speaker 2: Today he talked about making internal changes around the culture

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Speaker 2: I've encouraged him to create a detailed plan and report

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Speaker 2: One thing we've learned is that the FED was too

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Speaker 3: So Senator, that's something you'd like to see the regulators

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Speaker 2: There are a number of pieces of legislation that we've

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Speaker 2: let's be clear, the FED and FDIC have said they

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Speaker 1: Senator can Marry Lake has been in town this week.

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Speaker 1: She's been her second visit here this week this year.

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Speaker 1: I should stay talking with the nrsc Reuben Diego has

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Speaker 1: been talking about you a lot in the media, and

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Speaker 1: I wonder if you can tell us what your timeline

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Speaker 2: I don't have anything to offer to you on that point.

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Speaker 2: As you can tell I am one hundred percent invested

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Speaker 3: But as you do your work in the Senate and

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Speaker 2: Well, I've asked, been asked, and answered that question numerous times,

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Speaker 2: Arizonans and Americans across this country are hungry for leaders

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Speaker 1: I have to ask you about an important issue for

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Speaker 1: You're up with a bipartisan bill to extend Title forty

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm so glad you've asked about this because it's

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Speaker 2: prepare for the end of Title forty two. In the meantime,

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Speaker 2: Senator Tillis and I are continuing to work on our

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you mentioned by some potential cameras.

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Speaker 3: On the subject of being by camel. Of course, ahead

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Speaker 3: the Secured the Border Act. Are there are parts of

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Speaker 2: Well, it was an important step forward that House Republicans

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Speaker 2: this was an important first step. Now it'll be no

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Speaker 1: Our remaining moments here sent where President Biden has taken

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Speaker 1: of the border. What does he not understand about this?

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Speaker 2: Well, I invite President Biden and Vice President Harris to

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Speaker 2: come actually visit the Arizona Mexico border. If they were

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Speaker 2: me in recent months, they'll see the devastation not just

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Speaker 2: to our border communities, but to the migrants and those

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Speaker 2: we need both enforcement on the part of the administration

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Speaker 3: All Right, Senator, we have to leave it there, but

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Speaker 3: thank you so much for joining us here on Bloomberg.

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Speaker 3: Please come back. That is the independent senitor from Arizona,

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Speaker 3: Heirston Senta.

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