WEBVTT - The OTP | NFL Scouting Combine Day 5 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:13.040 This is the OTP presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans. 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:15.840 With Farm Bureau Health Plans, you'll get lower deductibles and 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:22.400 premiums and less hassles. Visit FBHP dot com with Coach 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:27.159 Dave McGinnis, Rhett Bryan, Amy Wells, I'm Mike Keith and 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:29.600 he thought he was out of it and we pulled 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:33.760 him back in. The Executive director of the Senior Bowl, 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:36.599 Jim Nagee, thanks for joining us here at the combine. 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:39.279 Absolutely glad to be here. What are you doing at 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:41.360 the combine? Well, I'm not looking at my phone like 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:43.440 I was every two seconds in Mobile when you guys 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:45.960 were down there. So that was great. Your segment with 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:49.519 coach mac was the highlight of the week. Oh, the 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:51.920 two of you guys talking. There's got to be a 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:55.840 huge sense of pride that what well, over eighty percent 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:59.640 of the Reese's Senior Bowl participants got an invite to 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:02.720 the combine. Uh, it's it's got it's higher than that. 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:04.520 I'm not a math I wasn't a math major, but 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:06.040 we have I think there's one twenty four out of 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:09.080 one twenty seven. Oh, so that's like ninety seven percent. 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:12.720 I apologize, well, done well. I'm like, I gotta be 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:14.600 a sense of pride there. I was. I'm mad about 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:18.920 the three guys that didn't get I know you are 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:22.000 the kid from Bowling Green, Carl Brooks. Brooks was really 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:24.280 the one who jumped out, isn't it Carl Brooks is one. 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.560 And then there was a linebacker from Sack State, Marte Mapu, 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.000 who we called up from the NFLPA game. They did 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:32.399 a great job scouting Marte. He came in a two 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:35.960 phenomenal days of practice. I was watching with a head 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.360 coach watching the nine on seven drill. He was is 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:40.800 a two hundred and eighteen pound guy, was just blowing 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:43.600 up inside run stuff. And uh, there's talking off talk 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:45.640 to teams. He might go on Day two and he's not. 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:47.440 And he's not here at the Combine. I mean there's 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:49.960 always Combine snubs and they usually go later in the draft. 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.200 If Mapu goes in the third round, that's gonna be 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:54.680 one of the all time. I think Kevin Bayer is 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:57.040 the last highest and he's another Senior bowl A lum, 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:59.600 but I think he's the last highest Combine snob first 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:02.360 pick of the third round, while he almost went in 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:04.440 the second he almost well, and there were he was 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:07.480 the sixty fourth pick because there was actually one less 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:09.840 pick in the second someone forfeited a pick, right, so 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:12.200 theoretically he was the last pick of the second round. 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:14.840 Oh yeah, yeah, so that could be huge if Marte 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.000 goes that high. So being able to be here and 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.520 see these guys go through the process again to that 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:23.600 pride thing, watching them take the next step. Not only 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.040 does that make you feel good as someone who's invested 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.680 in their careers a little bit, but also as an evaluator. 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:30.799 You got a lot of stuff, right, Yeah. No, I 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.000 don't look at it that. I'm excited for the guys. 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.160 I'm excited for the players, and that's been cool. I 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:36.800 saw a bunch of them last night when they were 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.280 working on their forty starts. Some guy, they overthink this stuff, 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:41.240 don't they. They can't just put their hand down and run, 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.960 but they can't not do it right right, No, So there, 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:46.120 so I saw a bunch of the guys, and it 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:48.640 is there's things I do miss about working in the NFL, 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:52.760 and I missed Draft Day probably the most draft week 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:54.960 in the most but but Draft weekend is a lot 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.560 of fun. From a Senior Bowl perspective because you're seeing, 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:00.440 you know, last two years, one hundred and six guys drafted, 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:02.560 So you just get you get happy for these guys 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:05.320 over and over and over because you know they're realizing 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.760 their dreams. So that's what it's all about, Jim again, 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:12.760 pride and without picking favorites or anything like that. But 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.680 who do you think is someone give me a couple 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:17.880 of your Senior Bowl guys that really have a chance 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:21.080 to pop this week in the Indian app Oh, you know, 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:23.960 we do the Zebra technology stuff during practice that all 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:25.679 the teams have in. Our fastest guy this year was 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:27.720 Darius Rush, a big corner, a big long corner from 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:31.000 South Carolina. Who, um coach, you know this The lazy 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:33.720 scouting take on big corners is I don't know if 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:35.920 he can run, you know, like that's just we do that. 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.240 We just tend to do that with these guys. Now 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.480 that we know Darius canna indeed run, because that was 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.960 a question going intomobile. Last year, our fastest guy was 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:46.400 Tarik Cooling and he comes here and runs four to six. 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:48.080 I don't I don't think Dari's gonna run that, but 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:50.360 um so, I think he's gonna do really well. Um, 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:52.920 one of the defensive linemen from from Northwestern who had 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:55.400 a good week at a time while at a barre, 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:59.280 is a guy that if he hits everything that Bruce 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:01.600 Feldman put You know, Bruce Feldman does the Freaks List 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.840 article every year. Um, so Bruce, Bruce. We've actually helped 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:06.360 Bruce the last couple of years. That's been a fun 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.880 project to work on with him. But if if if 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:11.720 Tommy hits all his marks it was like thirty seven 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:15.240 verse ten eight broad four or five short shuttle six 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:17.599 nine three, if he hits everything that Bruce laid out 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.800 in that he will have the number one mark. He 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.120 would have been the number one defensive tackling last year's 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:26.159 combined at every single event, which would be incredible. Wow. 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:30.040 Will McDonald fourth, Yeah, when we got there and you 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:33.039 just eyeballs on it. You keep watching him during the 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:36.840 whole process. Give me your take now after watching all 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:40.400 the tape, will look different than all the other edge players. Athletically, Yes, 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.000 he just looked different coming off the ball. He looked 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:44.960 different dropping and we're talking about a guy that played 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:47.560 a lot of four eyed five technique in college. So 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.360 he never even was you know, really a line wide. 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:52.520 You know, they didn't even really kind of use him. 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:56.920 I'm not I'm not saying against Iowa State, but you're 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.480 talking about a guy that had thirty three sacks over 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.200 the last more seasons in a scheme that wasn't really 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:05.680 suited for his skill set. He'd never really dropped into cover. 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.640 Some of the coverage stuff was like so natural to 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:10.720 the guy. He can do anything you want. And he's 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:12.400 a high school track guy, so he's like a six 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:15.480 nine high jumper, um, so you know he's got all 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:18.000 this stuff. And again, just the eyeball test, I mean, 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:19.599 you put on the one on ones, he just looked 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:21.560 different than everybody else. Well, he looked different to me 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:23.760 than what I saw, you know, just running through some 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:27.400 prelim tapes. But because he was, he was moved in there. 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:29.279 And then so what I'm you know, sitting in the stands. 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:30.960 I showed you the picture of written I went, I 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.239 had to go buy sweatshirts because we were not smart 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:36.800 enough to stay dress warm enough. The seconded, so we 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.240 had a thirty degree drop from day one to day two. 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.279 And both of us are veterans, you know, and so 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:44.920 we show up and we're shivering in there up in 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.720 the stands. I gotta find some clothes, and the Senior 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.360 Bowl was selling clothes, so anyway, I went, I wouldn't 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.279 bought us some hoodies and then then we were just fine. 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:55.400 But just watching him on, just watching him, I'm going, 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:59.280 this isn't the same dude, because he was moved into 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.360 a four eye and he was and he was asked 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.080 to do so many gap things. But then when what 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:06.880 you guys did down there, and I give you and 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.039 your people a lot of credit, and the coaches that 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:11.360 were coaching coach, I thought those mixed staffs did a 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:13.479 nice job. I thought those blended staffs did a really 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.240 good job down there. But I'm watching him and I 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.960 kept I kept telling these guys, I said, this guy 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.359 kind of looks like something that might be able to 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:26.159 do something, you know, especially in a sub role to 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:28.440 begin with, to look at and needs to get a 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:30.720 little heavier, right, Yeah, he's working on that. He told 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:32.440 us at the podium yesterday. He was playing at two 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:34.680 thirty five during the season. He's at two forty three 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:36.800 right now. Wants to hit two fifty. I think he 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:38.880 was two forty two in Mobile. But yeah, if as 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:40.800 long as he's trending in the right direction. But you're right, 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:42.880 is a situational past Rushturant. I think he can be 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.479 that guy next year. I think he's a guy that 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:47.039 if you're a if you're an odd front team, he 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.920 could play three four outside linebacker with ease. I've been 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:51.760 I was into three four defense for a lot of 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.000 years in the league in New England and Kansas City, 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.200 and we played with a lot less athletic guys than 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:59.680 Will McDonald. So yeah, the arrow is pointing up. You know, 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:01.839 one thing we did for our overall Practice Player of 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:05.039 the week. The regular practice players, they vote on each other, 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.520 so wide receivers vote on DB's old line, votes on 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:10.040 d line. But for the overall Practice Player of the Week, 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.760 we pulled I pulled two guys from all thirty two clubs, 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:14.680 so we had sixty two votes. Will McDonald got a 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:17.920 bunch of them. Wow, Yeah, he did interesting. As you're 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:22.160 going through, I guess the weeks in between the Senior 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.280 Bowl and the Combine, maybe for some of the guys 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.720 who didn't have the best weeks at the Senior Bowl, 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:28.320 there's a lot going on. There are guys, you know 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:30.840 who struggle to kind of find their footing in that environment. 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:34.600 How much room is there for improvement or for progress 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:36.640 to be made for them to kind of make up 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:39.000 and have a better showing at the combine? Is that 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:41.920 something that happens very often? Yeah, that's a that's a 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.240 good that's a good question. Yeah, I'm sure if you 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:46.640 asked all these players, were all of them totally happy 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:48.920 with their performance in Mobile. No, But the way I 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.840 was brought up in scouting, again, this goes goes way back, 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:54.400 but the old axiom was you can never hurt yourself 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.120 by playing in an All star game. You know, again, 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.360 they're they're making a statement to the thirty two teams 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:00.800 how competitively they are. I mean, there's a lot of 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.160 people telling these kids not to be in events like 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:06.000 the Senior Bowl, so um, so they helped themselves just 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:08.720 by coming, and they helped themselves by competing. And I'm 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:10.800 sure some of those guys, you know, wish they would 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:12.680 have done a little better. But but yeah, they give 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.080 room to make up with the testing. But I think 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:16.960 the smart teams are really always going back to the 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:19.600 tape anyway. I can just speak to the teams I 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.360 worked for and me personally when I made the biggest 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.760 mistakes is when I came to Indy and I put 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:26.520 too much stock into what they did out there in 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.720 shorts and T shirts, not to not to minimize the comment, 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.120 this is a big this is an important event. It's 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.600 a big event. But I think you always have to 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:35.360 go back to the tape and if if a guy 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:37.280 didn't have the week he had, Mobile teams are going 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:38.840 to go back to the college tape and be like 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:40.679 was he better in college? Like why why did you 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.520 get that Senior Bowl invite? So it's just a constant process. 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.160 If you're doing this the right way as a club, 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.679 you're constantly rechecking yourself okay, and you're really going back 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:50.360 to that college tape over and over and over and 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.560 just making sure you're seeing seeing it right. In the 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:56.199 time between the Senior Bowl and now, we found guys 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:59.760 in Mobile that we became intrigued with that maybe we 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:01.839 did know that well going in. So I'm gonna go 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:05.040 around the group and let us ask you about those players. 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.120 The first guy I want to ask you about it, 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:11.160 I'm gonna lead with this because I think he's very interesting, 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:16.520 keyon white defensive lineman. I think from Georgia Tech. And 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.360 I say, I think, because man, he's first, he is, 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.880 he is. Now, Keyon's a Keyon's a good one. I 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.400 was scared we're gonna lose Keyon with the Senior Bowl 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:27.880 because I was. I was driving home the week before 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:30.199 the Senior Bowl and Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL Network 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.839 calls and he said, now, because I'm watching this kid 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.000 from Georgia Tech right now. He's like, man, he's really good. 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:36.600 I'm like, yeah, he is really good. He's like, he's 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:38.200 better than some of these guys people have going in 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:40.480 the top ten. I said, DJ, please do not put 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:41.760 him in the top ten and one of your things 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:44.439 right now, because then an agent, an agent's gonna see 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.120 that and he's gonna not gonna send him the mobile. Now. 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:49.360 He's very versatile. I know in that he came to 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.760 our game. I think he was two eighty inmobile. He 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:54.840 was playing in the low two nineties at Georgia Tech, 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.199 so he must have dropped some weight. But yeah, he's 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:58.520 a guy you can move up and down the front, 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.040 you can stand him up, you can put his hand down. 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.880 He's a mismatch against guards, a super athletic guy and 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.839 he's really natural. Maybe we talked about this on the 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.280 air in Mobile, but he was a guy that when 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.839 I started watching him as a second year, he was 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:14.640 a second year player. They moved him from tight end 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:16.480 to defense, and his first year on defense he had 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:18.760 nineteen tackles for loss, which tells you he can find 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:22.360 the football. I mean, there's instincts there. So he's a 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:25.079 really high upside player. I would be surprised if he 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:27.320 got out of the top twenty picks. You mentioned what 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:29.560 he does against guards. Let's talk about a guard that 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:34.000 you had that is, by all indication gonna be in 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:35.920 the bottom of the first round, maybe a little higher 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:39.200 than Nato. Cyrus Torrance from Florida. It's an impressive size 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.280 guy that I saw down there on the field. After 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:46.760 those practices tell us about Cyrus talking incredibly strong, just 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:50.040 a strong, strong human being, and he doesn't get moved 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.240 even when guys get into him, he doesn't get moved. 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:53.839 You know, I was actually was talking to one of 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:56.160 the guys that's training in him right now. I didn't 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:57.560 know you could do this, so I'm not up on 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:59.520 the sports science stuff like I probably should be. But 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:03.000 they can measure hamstring strength on some device they have, 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.439 and the average in the NFL, the average player is 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.560 like a seven hundred, and you know Cyrus's were like 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.319 nine hundred. So, like they said, it's the strongest they've 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.439 ever had come through this this you know, particular training facility. 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:18.120 So really strong guy. When he gets his hands on you, 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.880 it is completely over. So he's a he's a day 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:22.840 one starter. I don't know if he's gonna fit for 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:24.920 all teams. I think, you know, for teams that run 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:26.400 a lot of wide zone stuff. I don't know if 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:28.520 that's gonna be O Cyrus's thing. But if you're a 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:30.520 gap scheme team that wants to come downhill and move 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.240 people off the ball of Cyrus as your guy, there's 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:35.800 a guy that showed up there. Of course, we stayed 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:39.880 and watched all of it that I was not familiar 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:41.640 with when I went down there, but I kept watching 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:43.599 him and watching him, and you know, some of the 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:46.120 drills that you do that the one on ones are 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:50.280 really valuable, especially you know for two areas the offensive 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:53.640 defensive line and then the space guys. How about Jaden Reid, Yeah, 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:56.160 Jaden had a really big week. Yeah I thought so too, 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.240 Yeah he did I was really happy for him because 0:11:58.240 --> 0:11:59.839 we were watching Jaden a year ago. He was a 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.960 that we identified as a junior graduate. Um, we've really 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:05.000 worked hard. We can bring those guys now if they 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:08.280 graduate by December, so that that fall at twenty twenty one, 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:09.920 we knew Jaden was going to graduate, so we put 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:11.360 a lot of working on him, and then we get 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:12.560 to the end of the year and he decides to 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.560 go back to school, which is great. And statistically he 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:17.760 wasn't even their leading receiver at Michigan State this year. 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:20.400 So yeah, we've had at day two grade on him 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:23.679 going back two years now. Now, did this numbers look 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:25.800 like a day two receiver? Probably not on paper. I 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.280 think he caught fifty five balls for six or seven 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:31.320 hundred yards. But but he was almost uncoverable at Senior Bowl. 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:35.839 Really dynamic, quick and fast. Both was a really hard cover, 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.959 can return punts. He has legit NFL starter punt returnability. 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:42.520 And again I think he's I think he's gonna have 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:44.760 going in that day two range, which beforemobile. I don't 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:46.880 you know, he's probably more of a fourth, but I 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.160 I would be surprised if you got out of the third. Now, yeah, 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:52.280 and just watching him, and again, of course Michigan State football, 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.280 which is good football, but they run it. You know, 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:56.200 they'll line up and run it, so your receivers aren't 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.320 going to have the numbers. But I was impressed with 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.960 him just watching and he seemed to be especially coming 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.680 out of that offense. No disparity of the offense. He's 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:07.120 got some nuance to him, especially in the slot. I 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:08.960 mean he's a slot guy, don't you think. Yeah, some 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:11.160 of some of the some of the head and shoulder stuff, 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.880 some of the stem stuff. Yeah. Really it really advanced. 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:16.320 And you can tell me this coach. I just remember 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.200 another former Spartan that you guys said, Derek Mason. If 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.080 there's any I didn't see, I'm too young to Derek 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:23.640 was a couple years older than me, so I wasn't 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:27.040 scouting yet. But um, is there any similarities there to 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:30.040 Derek Mason. D Mace was a little stronger because d 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:31.960 Mace was a strong dude. I mean, you know I 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:33.960 was coaching when we had d Mace there. Yeah, but 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:38.000 he was extremely strong, but very very crafty inside and 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:41.480 even for you know, the stature, A really good combat 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:46.200 catcher and just as competitive as they come. Nice draw there. Yeah, 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:49.679 I just sounds like you do this for a living. No, 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.520 Derek Mason. I'm a Michigan guy, so I remember watching 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:54.679 Derek Mason rip us up every year. It seemed like 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:59.520 you mentioned the Zebra technology but showed on the scoreboard 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:03.199 there at a stadium and mobile speeds. One of the 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.640 speeds that got my attention was Luke Musgrave, the tight 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:10.360 end from Oregon State. Yeah, in terms of size, speed combo, 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:12.439 he's gonna be. He probably gonna be the top guy 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.120 in this tight end class. Now, I'm not saying he's 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:15.880 gonna be the first tight end taken because the Notre 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.679 Dame Kid Mayor is a really good player, Dalton Kincaid 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:20.640 from Utah, who was gonna come to our game, but 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.120 he actually he broke his back in the last game 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:24.440 of the year, So I don't even know if Dalton 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.360 Kinkaid is a really good player. But Luke Musgrave, yeah, 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.040 he hit I want to see. He was our eighth 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:31.920 fastest overall player in the game, which at two hundred 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.040 and sixty pounds is pretty crazy. How much fast. I mean, 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:37.120 he's faster than our corners in white out, So yeah, 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.720 he he's I don't think he gets out of the 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:41.520 second round. I know there was some talk, I know 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:43.560 DJ talking about Dann Jeremiah. I know he had him 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:45.360 in the first round for a little bit, but I 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:47.440 don't know if he's gonna go that high. But he 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:50.280 had some drops during the week. But second round I 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:53.400 think is probably where he'll end up. I'vean Pace, the 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:58.280 linebacker from Cincinnati. What an intriguing player, no doubt. There's 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.480 always guys that are better than I think they once 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.720 we get him ammobile live and Pace definitely falls into 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:04.320 that category this year because he was kind of a 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:07.560 late ad for us, you know, we were He's not 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.640 very big. You know, he's five. He was five eleven three, 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.120 five eleven four, so, you know, five eleven and a half. 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.080 Not a very big guy, but he just and he's 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:19.200 got a really unique style because he's so under sized. Like, coach, 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:21.200 you would not coach this guy to play linebacker the 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:22.960 way he plays it, but he's figured out how to 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:26.520 play with his size. I told him he reminded me 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:28.080 a little bit of Teddy Bruski when I was in 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:29.760 New England with Teddy, Like you would never draw it 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:31.640 up the way Teddy did it because he was always 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.320 dipping under blocks and slipping around stuff, and he just 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:37.440 had a really unorthodox style about him. And that's what 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:40.160 Ivan's got. And you got to the game that you 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.880 can really see like linebackers and running backs, those are 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:46.160 two positions the game itself are really important for. And 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:49.080 I haven't had nine solos and ten total tackles and 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:51.800 the one on one blitz pick up stuff. I don't 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:53.560 know if we had a running back put a hand 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:55.640 on him all week. I mean, he just just out 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.480 quicked everybody. Having been a linebacker coach in the league, 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:00.520 for that's how I cut my teeth. Let me tell 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.440 you something that I always worked on with smaller linebackers 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.720 like that. And if it wasn't if it wasn't a 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:10.040 take on strength, I would always tell him eyes before feet, 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.240 and if your eyes get you there first, I don't 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:14.240 care how you get there, you know, but but your 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.720 eyes can't be late if you're undersized. Sometimes you can 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:19.720 be late if you're bigger and you've got some shocking 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.080 shit to you. But you're right. He's a jazz player, 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.880 but he his great, great eyes and he's got great eyes, 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.680 and that'll that'll that's what makes him, and he was 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:32.160 he was not even personally, I'll own this. I had 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:35.120 a question about his play speed off the Cincinnati tape, 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.600 and he was another guy. He came down. He might 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:39.440 have been the fifth fastest guy in the game or 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:41.800 sixth fastest it with crazy times. If you look at 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.160 the guys that ran what he ran this year, what 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.760 those guys ran in Indie last year, this guy might 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.960 run in the four threes, which I mean I thought 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:51.720 he was more of a four or five guy. But 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:53.640 but he he blew it out on his zebra stuff. 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:58.080 Coachmac a faster David Long type player face. Yes, now, 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.200 David Long. David Long played more on the edge. Itst Virginia. 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:04.159 He was more rush guy. Okay, and West Virginia. This 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:07.320 guy's been behind the ball and it was seeking gaps. 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:11.840 David Long learned to k and d the Sarreguard triangle. 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:14.919 This guy's done this. Yeah, but but he's faster. I 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.119 want to say David Long's Yeah, first time off the 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:20.000 ball was Inmobile was where he was back there full time. Absolutely, 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.199 it was because it wast Virginia. I mean, and he was, 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.840 you know, a tremendous player, productive, but they edged him, 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.160 and which I probably would too because he could get there. 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.280 So I lose track of these guys once they get 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.080 to the NFL. Is David Long has become a really 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:35.040 good player for the time, absolutely good. Hey, he's a 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:37.480 free agent this offseason and there's a lot of talk 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.000 and Mike Vrabel said here earlier in the week, Jim 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:42.919 that you know, the Titans would certainly like to entertain 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:45.960