1 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: This is the OTP presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans. 2 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: With Farm Bureau Health Plans, you'll get lower deductibles and 3 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: premiums and less hassles. Visit FBHP dot com with Coach 4 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 1: Dave McGinnis, Rhett Bryan, Amy Wells, I'm Mike Keith and 5 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: he thought he was out of it and we pulled 6 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: him back in. The Executive director of the Senior Bowl, 7 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 1: Jim Nagee, thanks for joining us here at the combine. 8 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 1: Absolutely glad to be here. What are you doing at 9 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: the combine? Well, I'm not looking at my phone like 10 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: I was every two seconds in Mobile when you guys 11 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: were down there. So that was great. Your segment with 12 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: coach mac was the highlight of the week. Oh, the 13 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: two of you guys talking. There's got to be a 14 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: huge sense of pride that what well, over eighty percent 15 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: of the Reese's Senior Bowl participants got an invite to 16 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: the combine. Uh, it's it's got it's higher than that. 17 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: I'm not a math I wasn't a math major, but 18 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: we have I think there's one twenty four out of 19 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: one twenty seven. Oh, so that's like ninety seven percent. 20 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: I apologize, well, done well. I'm like, I gotta be 21 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: a sense of pride there. I was. I'm mad about 22 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: the three guys that didn't get I know you are 23 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: the kid from Bowling Green, Carl Brooks. Brooks was really 24 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: the one who jumped out, isn't it Carl Brooks is one. 25 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: And then there was a linebacker from Sack State, Marte Mapu, 26 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: who we called up from the NFLPA game. They did 27 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: a great job scouting Marte. He came in a two 28 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: phenomenal days of practice. I was watching with a head 29 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: coach watching the nine on seven drill. He was is 30 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: a two hundred and eighteen pound guy, was just blowing 31 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: up inside run stuff. And uh, there's talking off talk 32 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: to teams. He might go on Day two and he's not. 33 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: And he's not here at the Combine. I mean there's 34 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: always Combine snubs and they usually go later in the draft. 35 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: If Mapu goes in the third round, that's gonna be 36 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: one of the all time. I think Kevin Bayer is 37 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: the last highest and he's another Senior bowl A lum, 38 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: but I think he's the last highest Combine snob first 39 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: pick of the third round, while he almost went in 40 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: the second he almost well, and there were he was 41 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: the sixty fourth pick because there was actually one less 42 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: pick in the second someone forfeited a pick, right, so 43 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: theoretically he was the last pick of the second round. 44 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, so that could be huge if Marte 45 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: goes that high. So being able to be here and 46 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: see these guys go through the process again to that 47 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: pride thing, watching them take the next step. Not only 48 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: does that make you feel good as someone who's invested 49 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: in their careers a little bit, but also as an evaluator. 50 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 1: You got a lot of stuff, right, Yeah. No, I 51 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: don't look at it that. I'm excited for the guys. 52 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: I'm excited for the players, and that's been cool. I 53 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: saw a bunch of them last night when they were 54 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: working on their forty starts. Some guy, they overthink this stuff, 55 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: don't they. They can't just put their hand down and run, 56 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: but they can't not do it right right, No, So there, 57 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: so I saw a bunch of the guys, and it 58 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: is there's things I do miss about working in the NFL, 59 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: and I missed Draft Day probably the most draft week 60 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: in the most but but Draft weekend is a lot 61 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: of fun. From a Senior Bowl perspective because you're seeing, 62 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: you know, last two years, one hundred and six guys drafted, 63 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: So you just get you get happy for these guys 64 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: over and over and over because you know they're realizing 65 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: their dreams. So that's what it's all about, Jim again, 66 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: pride and without picking favorites or anything like that. But 67 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: who do you think is someone give me a couple 68 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: of your Senior Bowl guys that really have a chance 69 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: to pop this week in the Indian app Oh, you know, 70 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: we do the Zebra technology stuff during practice that all 71 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: the teams have in. Our fastest guy this year was 72 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: Darius Rush, a big corner, a big long corner from 73 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: South Carolina. Who, um coach, you know this The lazy 74 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: scouting take on big corners is I don't know if 75 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: he can run, you know, like that's just we do that. 76 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: We just tend to do that with these guys. Now 77 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: that we know Darius canna indeed run, because that was 78 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: a question going intomobile. Last year, our fastest guy was 79 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: Tarik Cooling and he comes here and runs four to six. 80 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: I don't I don't think Dari's gonna run that, but 81 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: um so, I think he's gonna do really well. Um, 82 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: one of the defensive linemen from from Northwestern who had 83 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: a good week at a time while at a barre, 84 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: is a guy that if he hits everything that Bruce 85 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: Feldman put You know, Bruce Feldman does the Freaks List 86 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: article every year. Um, so Bruce, Bruce. We've actually helped 87 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: Bruce the last couple of years. That's been a fun 88 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: project to work on with him. But if if if 89 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: Tommy hits all his marks it was like thirty seven 90 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: verse ten eight broad four or five short shuttle six 91 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: nine three, if he hits everything that Bruce laid out 92 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: in that he will have the number one mark. He 93 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: would have been the number one defensive tackling last year's 94 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: combined at every single event, which would be incredible. Wow. 95 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: Will McDonald fourth, Yeah, when we got there and you 96 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: just eyeballs on it. You keep watching him during the 97 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: whole process. Give me your take now after watching all 98 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: the tape, will look different than all the other edge players. Athletically, Yes, 99 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: he just looked different coming off the ball. He looked 100 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: different dropping and we're talking about a guy that played 101 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: a lot of four eyed five technique in college. So 102 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: he never even was you know, really a line wide. 103 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: You know, they didn't even really kind of use him. 104 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying against Iowa State, but you're 105 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: talking about a guy that had thirty three sacks over 106 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: the last more seasons in a scheme that wasn't really 107 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: suited for his skill set. He'd never really dropped into cover. 108 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: Some of the coverage stuff was like so natural to 109 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: the guy. He can do anything you want. And he's 110 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: a high school track guy, so he's like a six 111 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: nine high jumper, um, so you know he's got all 112 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: this stuff. And again, just the eyeball test, I mean, 113 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: you put on the one on ones, he just looked 114 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: different than everybody else. Well, he looked different to me 115 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: than what I saw, you know, just running through some 116 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: prelim tapes. But because he was, he was moved in there. 117 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: And then so what I'm you know, sitting in the stands. 118 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: I showed you the picture of written I went, I 119 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,239 Speaker 1: had to go buy sweatshirts because we were not smart 120 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: enough to stay dress warm enough. The seconded, so we 121 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: had a thirty degree drop from day one to day two. 122 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: And both of us are veterans, you know, and so 123 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: we show up and we're shivering in there up in 124 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: the stands. I gotta find some clothes, and the Senior 125 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: Bowl was selling clothes, so anyway, I went, I wouldn't 126 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: bought us some hoodies and then then we were just fine. 127 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: But just watching him on, just watching him, I'm going, 128 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: this isn't the same dude, because he was moved into 129 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: a four eye and he was and he was asked 130 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: to do so many gap things. But then when what 131 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: you guys did down there, and I give you and 132 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: your people a lot of credit, and the coaches that 133 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: were coaching coach, I thought those mixed staffs did a 134 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: nice job. I thought those blended staffs did a really 135 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: good job down there. But I'm watching him and I 136 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: kept I kept telling these guys, I said, this guy 137 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: kind of looks like something that might be able to 138 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: do something, you know, especially in a sub role to 139 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: begin with, to look at and needs to get a 140 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: little heavier, right, Yeah, he's working on that. He told 141 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: us at the podium yesterday. He was playing at two 142 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: thirty five during the season. He's at two forty three 143 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: right now. Wants to hit two fifty. I think he 144 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: was two forty two in Mobile. But yeah, if as 145 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: long as he's trending in the right direction. But you're right, 146 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: is a situational past Rushturant. I think he can be 147 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 1: that guy next year. I think he's a guy that 148 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: if you're a if you're an odd front team, he 149 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: could play three four outside linebacker with ease. I've been 150 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: I was into three four defense for a lot of 151 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: years in the league in New England and Kansas City, 152 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: and we played with a lot less athletic guys than 153 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: Will McDonald. So yeah, the arrow is pointing up. You know, 154 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: one thing we did for our overall Practice Player of 155 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: the week. The regular practice players, they vote on each other, 156 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: so wide receivers vote on DB's old line, votes on 157 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: d line. But for the overall Practice Player of the Week, 158 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: we pulled I pulled two guys from all thirty two clubs, 159 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: so we had sixty two votes. Will McDonald got a 160 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: bunch of them. Wow, Yeah, he did interesting. As you're 161 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: going through, I guess the weeks in between the Senior 162 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: Bowl and the Combine, maybe for some of the guys 163 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: who didn't have the best weeks at the Senior Bowl, 164 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: there's a lot going on. There are guys, you know 165 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: who struggle to kind of find their footing in that environment. 166 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: How much room is there for improvement or for progress 167 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: to be made for them to kind of make up 168 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: and have a better showing at the combine? Is that 169 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: something that happens very often? Yeah, that's a that's a 170 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: good that's a good question. Yeah, I'm sure if you 171 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: asked all these players, were all of them totally happy 172 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: with their performance in Mobile. No, But the way I 173 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: was brought up in scouting, again, this goes goes way back, 174 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: but the old axiom was you can never hurt yourself 175 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: by playing in an All star game. You know, again, 176 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: they're they're making a statement to the thirty two teams 177 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: how competitively they are. I mean, there's a lot of 178 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: people telling these kids not to be in events like 179 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, so um, so they helped themselves just 180 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: by coming, and they helped themselves by competing. And I'm 181 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: sure some of those guys, you know, wish they would 182 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: have done a little better. But but yeah, they give 183 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: room to make up with the testing. But I think 184 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: the smart teams are really always going back to the 185 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: tape anyway. I can just speak to the teams I 186 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: worked for and me personally when I made the biggest 187 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: mistakes is when I came to Indy and I put 188 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: too much stock into what they did out there in 189 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: shorts and T shirts, not to not to minimize the comment, 190 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: this is a big this is an important event. It's 191 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: a big event. But I think you always have to 192 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: go back to the tape and if if a guy 193 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: didn't have the week he had, Mobile teams are going 194 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: to go back to the college tape and be like 195 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 1: was he better in college? Like why why did you 196 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: get that Senior Bowl invite? So it's just a constant process. 197 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: If you're doing this the right way as a club, 198 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 1: you're constantly rechecking yourself okay, and you're really going back 199 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: to that college tape over and over and over and 200 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: just making sure you're seeing seeing it right. In the 201 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: time between the Senior Bowl and now, we found guys 202 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: in Mobile that we became intrigued with that maybe we 203 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 1: did know that well going in. So I'm gonna go 204 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: around the group and let us ask you about those players. 205 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: The first guy I want to ask you about it, 206 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna lead with this because I think he's very interesting, 207 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: keyon white defensive lineman. I think from Georgia Tech. And 208 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: I say, I think, because man, he's first, he is, 209 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: he is. Now, Keyon's a Keyon's a good one. I 210 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: was scared we're gonna lose Keyon with the Senior Bowl 211 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: because I was. I was driving home the week before 212 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL Network 213 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 1: calls and he said, now, because I'm watching this kid 214 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: from Georgia Tech right now. He's like, man, he's really good. 215 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, he is really good. He's like, he's 216 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: better than some of these guys people have going in 217 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: the top ten. I said, DJ, please do not put 218 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: him in the top ten and one of your things 219 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: right now, because then an agent, an agent's gonna see 220 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: that and he's gonna not gonna send him the mobile. Now. 221 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: He's very versatile. I know in that he came to 222 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: our game. I think he was two eighty inmobile. He 223 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: was playing in the low two nineties at Georgia Tech, 224 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: so he must have dropped some weight. But yeah, he's 225 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: a guy you can move up and down the front, 226 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: you can stand him up, you can put his hand down. 227 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: He's a mismatch against guards, a super athletic guy and 228 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 1: he's really natural. Maybe we talked about this on the 229 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: air in Mobile, but he was a guy that when 230 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 1: I started watching him as a second year, he was 231 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: a second year player. They moved him from tight end 232 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: to defense, and his first year on defense he had 233 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: nineteen tackles for loss, which tells you he can find 234 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: the football. I mean, there's instincts there. So he's a 235 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: really high upside player. I would be surprised if he 236 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: got out of the top twenty picks. You mentioned what 237 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: he does against guards. Let's talk about a guard that 238 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: you had that is, by all indication gonna be in 239 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: the bottom of the first round, maybe a little higher 240 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: than Nato. Cyrus Torrance from Florida. It's an impressive size 241 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: guy that I saw down there on the field. After 242 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: those practices tell us about Cyrus talking incredibly strong, just 243 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: a strong, strong human being, and he doesn't get moved 244 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: even when guys get into him, he doesn't get moved. 245 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 1: You know, I was actually was talking to one of 246 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: the guys that's training in him right now. I didn't 247 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: know you could do this, so I'm not up on 248 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: the sports science stuff like I probably should be. But 249 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: they can measure hamstring strength on some device they have, 250 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 1: and the average in the NFL, the average player is 251 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: like a seven hundred, and you know Cyrus's were like 252 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: nine hundred. So, like they said, it's the strongest they've 253 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 1: ever had come through this this you know, particular training facility. 254 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: So really strong guy. When he gets his hands on you, 255 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: it is completely over. So he's a he's a day 256 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: one starter. I don't know if he's gonna fit for 257 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: all teams. I think, you know, for teams that run 258 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: a lot of wide zone stuff. I don't know if 259 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: that's gonna be O Cyrus's thing. But if you're a 260 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: gap scheme team that wants to come downhill and move 261 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: people off the ball of Cyrus as your guy, there's 262 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: a guy that showed up there. Of course, we stayed 263 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: and watched all of it that I was not familiar 264 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: with when I went down there, but I kept watching 265 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,599 Speaker 1: him and watching him, and you know, some of the 266 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: drills that you do that the one on ones are 267 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: really valuable, especially you know for two areas the offensive 268 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: defensive line and then the space guys. How about Jaden Reid, Yeah, 269 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: Jaden had a really big week. Yeah I thought so too, 270 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: Yeah he did I was really happy for him because 271 00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 1: we were watching Jaden a year ago. He was a 272 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: that we identified as a junior graduate. Um, we've really 273 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: worked hard. We can bring those guys now if they 274 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: graduate by December, so that that fall at twenty twenty one, 275 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: we knew Jaden was going to graduate, so we put 276 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: a lot of working on him, and then we get 277 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: to the end of the year and he decides to 278 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: go back to school, which is great. And statistically he 279 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: wasn't even their leading receiver at Michigan State this year. 280 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, we've had at day two grade on him 281 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: going back two years now. Now, did this numbers look 282 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: like a day two receiver? Probably not on paper. I 283 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: think he caught fifty five balls for six or seven 284 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: hundred yards. But but he was almost uncoverable at Senior Bowl. 285 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 1: Really dynamic, quick and fast. Both was a really hard cover, 286 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: can return punts. He has legit NFL starter punt returnability. 287 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: And again I think he's I think he's gonna have 288 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: going in that day two range, which beforemobile. I don't 289 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: you know, he's probably more of a fourth, but I 290 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: I would be surprised if you got out of the third. Now, yeah, 291 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: and just watching him, and again, of course Michigan State football, 292 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: which is good football, but they run it. You know, 293 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: they'll line up and run it, so your receivers aren't 294 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: going to have the numbers. But I was impressed with 295 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: him just watching and he seemed to be especially coming 296 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: out of that offense. No disparity of the offense. He's 297 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: got some nuance to him, especially in the slot. I 298 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: mean he's a slot guy, don't you think. Yeah, some 299 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: of some of the some of the head and shoulder stuff, 300 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: some of the stem stuff. Yeah. Really it really advanced. 301 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: And you can tell me this coach. I just remember 302 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: another former Spartan that you guys said, Derek Mason. If 303 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: there's any I didn't see, I'm too young to Derek 304 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: was a couple years older than me, so I wasn't 305 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: scouting yet. But um, is there any similarities there to 306 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: Derek Mason. D Mace was a little stronger because d 307 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: Mace was a strong dude. I mean, you know I 308 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: was coaching when we had d Mace there. Yeah, but 309 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: he was extremely strong, but very very crafty inside and 310 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: even for you know, the stature, A really good combat 311 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: catcher and just as competitive as they come. Nice draw there. Yeah, 312 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: I just sounds like you do this for a living. No, 313 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: Derek Mason. I'm a Michigan guy, so I remember watching 314 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: Derek Mason rip us up every year. It seemed like 315 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: you mentioned the Zebra technology but showed on the scoreboard 316 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: there at a stadium and mobile speeds. One of the 317 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: speeds that got my attention was Luke Musgrave, the tight 318 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: end from Oregon State. Yeah, in terms of size, speed combo, 319 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: he's gonna be. He probably gonna be the top guy 320 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: in this tight end class. Now, I'm not saying he's 321 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: gonna be the first tight end taken because the Notre 322 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 1: Dame Kid Mayor is a really good player, Dalton Kincaid 323 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: from Utah, who was gonna come to our game, but 324 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: he actually he broke his back in the last game 325 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: of the year, So I don't even know if Dalton 326 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: Kinkaid is a really good player. But Luke Musgrave, yeah, 327 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: he hit I want to see. He was our eighth 328 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: fastest overall player in the game, which at two hundred 329 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: and sixty pounds is pretty crazy. How much fast. I mean, 330 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: he's faster than our corners in white out, So yeah, 331 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: he he's I don't think he gets out of the 332 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: second round. I know there was some talk, I know 333 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: DJ talking about Dann Jeremiah. I know he had him 334 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: in the first round for a little bit, but I 335 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: don't know if he's gonna go that high. But he 336 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: had some drops during the week. But second round I 337 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: think is probably where he'll end up. I'vean Pace, the 338 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: linebacker from Cincinnati. What an intriguing player, no doubt. There's 339 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: always guys that are better than I think they once 340 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: we get him ammobile live and Pace definitely falls into 341 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: that category this year because he was kind of a 342 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: late ad for us, you know, we were He's not 343 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: very big. You know, he's five. He was five eleven three, 344 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: five eleven four, so, you know, five eleven and a half. 345 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: Not a very big guy, but he just and he's 346 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: got a really unique style because he's so under sized. Like, coach, 347 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: you would not coach this guy to play linebacker the 348 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: way he plays it, but he's figured out how to 349 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: play with his size. I told him he reminded me 350 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: a little bit of Teddy Bruski when I was in 351 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: New England with Teddy, Like you would never draw it 352 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: up the way Teddy did it because he was always 353 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: dipping under blocks and slipping around stuff, and he just 354 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: had a really unorthodox style about him. And that's what 355 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: Ivan's got. And you got to the game that you 356 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: can really see like linebackers and running backs, those are 357 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: two positions the game itself are really important for. And 358 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: I haven't had nine solos and ten total tackles and 359 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: the one on one blitz pick up stuff. I don't 360 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: know if we had a running back put a hand 361 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: on him all week. I mean, he just just out 362 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: quicked everybody. Having been a linebacker coach in the league, 363 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: for that's how I cut my teeth. Let me tell 364 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: you something that I always worked on with smaller linebackers 365 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: like that. And if it wasn't if it wasn't a 366 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: take on strength, I would always tell him eyes before feet, 367 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: and if your eyes get you there first, I don't 368 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: care how you get there, you know, but but your 369 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: eyes can't be late if you're undersized. Sometimes you can 370 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: be late if you're bigger and you've got some shocking 371 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: shit to you. But you're right. He's a jazz player, 372 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: but he his great, great eyes and he's got great eyes, 373 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: and that'll that'll that's what makes him, and he was 374 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: he was not even personally, I'll own this. I had 375 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: a question about his play speed off the Cincinnati tape, 376 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: and he was another guy. He came down. He might 377 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: have been the fifth fastest guy in the game or 378 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: sixth fastest it with crazy times. If you look at 379 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: the guys that ran what he ran this year, what 380 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: those guys ran in Indie last year, this guy might 381 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: run in the four threes, which I mean I thought 382 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: he was more of a four or five guy. But 383 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: but he he blew it out on his zebra stuff. 384 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: Coachmac a faster David Long type player face. Yes, now, 385 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: David Long. David Long played more on the edge. Itst Virginia. 386 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: He was more rush guy. Okay, and West Virginia. This 387 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: guy's been behind the ball and it was seeking gaps. 388 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: David Long learned to k and d the Sarreguard triangle. 389 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: This guy's done this. Yeah, but but he's faster. I 390 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: want to say David Long's Yeah, first time off the 391 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: ball was Inmobile was where he was back there full time. Absolutely, 392 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: it was because it wast Virginia. I mean, and he was, 393 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: you know, a tremendous player, productive, but they edged him, 394 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: and which I probably would too because he could get there. 395 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: So I lose track of these guys once they get 396 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: to the NFL. Is David Long has become a really 397 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: good player for the time, absolutely good. Hey, he's a 398 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: free agent this offseason and there's a lot of talk 399 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: and Mike Vrabel said here earlier in the week, Jim 400 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: that you know, the Titans would certainly like to entertain 401 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: the notion of bringing him back because man, he's he 402 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: is an impact player, particularly on third down. You know, 403 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: that's an area where he's gotten to be a big 404 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: player there. Third down defensive percentage with him and without 405 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: him he missed time due to hamstring injury was very 406 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: by twenty percent to the negative when he was not 407 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: on the field. Wow, that's valuable. Yep. This week we've 408 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: been talking a lot about offensive linemen. Are there linemen 409 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: that showed up big and mobile that we should be watching? Yeah, 410 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: that was the group to me after watching all the 411 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: tape that really stood out. I thought we and I 412 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: still do think we had a good group of edge 413 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: group and in the defensive line was good, but that 414 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: old line group really handled him. Um, I'm not gonna 415 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: say all six guys are going in the first round. 416 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: But I do think we have six guys that have 417 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: a chance to go in the first round. You know, 418 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: they all they all showed out. You know. I think 419 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: we might have spoken about Cody malk when we were 420 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: when when you guys were down in Mobile. The North 421 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: Dakota State kid. He's just he's just interesting me because 422 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: he can play all five spots and he'd only been 423 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: a left tackle at North Dakota State. I know in 424 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: the game he played left tackle, right guard, and center, 425 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: so he played on both sides and he played all 426 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: three spots. So he's a really interesting guy. I know 427 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: he moved on from Taylor Lawan. Jalen Duncan from Maryland 428 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: is a guy that athletically made it look easy, and 429 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: he took a lot of one on one reps against 430 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: Keyon White from Georgia Tech, who who we talked about, 431 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: and he shut him down. If you're looking for just 432 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: a natural pass protecting left tackle, Jalen's got that ability 433 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: to be a really good one. He just needs to 434 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: become more consistent. As Maryland tape was up and down, 435 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: and I thought he put together a good week. Now 436 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: when we flopped him to the right side. He didn't 437 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: look as comfortable because that just hasn't been a spot. 438 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,959 Speaker 1: The teams know that. But when you just looked at 439 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: the left tackle reps, that guy looked like a starting 440 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: left tackle. You know, I'm gonna steal Retz guy here, 441 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: but we steal each other's guys all the time, a 442 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: lot of draft stuff together. But and this is his guy, 443 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: and he jumped on him early. Tyja Spears, Yeah, ty Jam. 444 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: He was the overall practice player of the week and 445 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: he won by a decent margin. Just a really dynamic 446 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: football player. And sometimes it's hard to gauge running backs 447 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: during the week because we're not going to we're not 448 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: tackling to the ground, you know very much. I mean 449 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: it happens every once in a while. We're not supposed to. 450 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: We tell the guys not too. But his ability to 451 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: get through the whole old that initial burst and then 452 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: really what's most exciting when he gets a second leveler 453 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: in space. He's got eyes in the back of his head. 454 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 1: He feels stuff. I mean, you see some of the 455 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: cutback runs on two lane tape he made. He made 456 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: usc look silly. In that Bowl game. I think he 457 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: had five touchdowns in that in that Cotton Bowl. But yeah, 458 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: phenomenal week. I think he's put himself in that conversation 459 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: in the top you know, three or four backs in 460 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: this draft, I think I think Bijean Robinson from Texas, 461 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: everyone knows he'll probably go one. Jimir Gibbs from Alabama 462 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: is a really good one. Um. But Taj is in 463 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: that next conversation after those guys just watching his tape 464 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: collegiately and when you vetted him to bring him in 465 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: to Mobile, did the spatial awareness surprise you or did 466 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: you see that on tape? So I saw that on 467 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: tape that was going back to so he was a junior. 468 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: He was a guy that was a junior that we 469 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: that we got early in the two lane staff was 470 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: great telling us like, hey, Jim, this guy, if he 471 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: has a good year, he's coming out and we want 472 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: him to go out. He's you know, wants to take 473 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 1: care of his family. But yeah, that's what jumped out 474 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: was the stuff in space. His open field run skills 475 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: are are pretty dang special. So you know, get him 476 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: involved in the past game, get him out there on 477 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: the perimeter like he's gonna make people look foolish and 478 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: he's got he's got. He's a true home run hitter 479 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,959 Speaker 1: and it's it's and it's not like some home runners 480 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: are all speed based. You know, you just get him 481 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: and they go like Chris Johnson, You've got Chris Johnson, 482 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: Like you get christ in space. He was gone, Like 483 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: this guy's gone because he can just weave and make 484 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: people miss and sees things and feels things and he 485 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: kind of picks his way and makes guys look stupid 486 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: and then he ends up in the end zone. What 487 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 1: are you hearing since you had Hendon Hooker down to 488 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl even though he couldn't play due to 489 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: the knee, right, what are you hearing about him in 490 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: the weeks that have followed and as we head into 491 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: this weekend where the quarterbacks will be a feature. A 492 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: couple things. One that he did a great job in 493 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: those interviews and that was that was big for him. 494 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: The guys that coached him during the week, that sat 495 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: in the room with him, just how supportive he was 496 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: with the other quarterbacks even at practice, but in the 497 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: room picking up everything. Um, and I think, what, guys, 498 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: you're starting to see? I know, Daniel Jeremiah just I 499 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: keep bringing up DJ, but I know he just threw 500 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: him in the back end of the first round or something. 501 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 1: Or there's some first round talk with Hendon right now, 502 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: and I think that's because a lot of people are 503 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: really getting their hands dirty on this quarterback class, and 504 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: then they get to Hendon and they're like, well, wait 505 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: a minute, Like this guy's better than some of the 506 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: guys being talked about above him, his tapes, better than 507 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: these guys. Why aren't we talking about this guy? So 508 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: I think I think you're getting some of that because 509 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: right now, I mean a lot of these gms haven't 510 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: really gotten their hands dirty on these prospects until around 511 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: now Senior Bowl time February, and now they're they're watching 512 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: the Will Levis's, the Anthony Richardsons, and then they get 513 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: to Hendon's tape and they're like, this guy's pretty darn good. 514 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: We talked about what an impressive young man he was. 515 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: Coach McK and I talked about it just in conversation, 516 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: about his interaction with his teammates even though he didn't play, obviously, 517 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: and his interaction with fans in the stands, signing autographs, whatever. 518 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: We were just looking at this quarterback class. We think 519 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: he's probably quarterback number five in this despite the ACL Yeah, 520 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: after the Big Four on Thursday night, Yeah, he probably 521 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: will be in again. The thing with him and you 522 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: guys have spent time around him, there's just a genuine 523 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: quality to him, like he's not you know, I don't 524 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: know how to describe it, but he's just genuine to himself, 525 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: and you feel like you're meeting the real guy every 526 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 1: time you're around him and his teammate. I think teammates 527 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: feel that he's just a he's just a really good dude. 528 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, and there's a lot been made about the 529 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: age factor because he's twenty five. I think that's really overblown. 530 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: I think all these guys are playing longer. I don't 531 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: know if it's the Tom Brady TV twelve effect or whatnot, 532 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: but you know, you can take some years off the 533 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: front of a in a guy's NFL career because they're 534 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: playing a lot of years on the back end. You know, 535 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: it used to be you remember, I mean, guys got 536 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: to be thirty three, thirty four, they were done. I 537 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: mean that was that was the end of a quarterback, 538 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: you get. But now they're all playing thirty eight thirty 539 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: nine forty, So who cares if he's twenty five when 540 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: he's coming. Well, he's a mature guy too, and he's 541 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: very mature. Here's what I got for you. And again 542 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: this is I want you to You've got all the tape, 543 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: You've watched it all, you vetted him all two most 544 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: consistent corners, Uh, in the whole class of the Senior 545 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: Bowl guys. I haven't got to all the junior guys yet. Um, 546 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: senior wise, I'll say yeah that the senior Uh, Julius 547 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: Brents was a huge winner of Senior Bowl week the 548 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: Kansas State Corner. Again, I think he's got the longest 549 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: wingspan on record since we've been doing the wingspans at corner. Um. 550 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: You know there he's an Iowa transfer, right. You know 551 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: a lot of times a lot of people move those 552 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: Iowa corners to safety when they get to the NFL. 553 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: This guy's not moving to safety. He is a for 554 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 1: a long bodied guy, really fluid mover. Um was really 555 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: dialed in in practice. Uh. You know he forced in 556 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: the one on ones. He forced some no throws in 557 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: the one on one periods, which you don't do. You 558 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: really got to be blanking guy in one on ones 559 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: for the quarterback just not to even throw it. Um 560 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: and he did that. So he he was a name 561 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: during the week when I'd ask guys buddies from around 562 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: the league, like who's standing out, Julius Brent's name came 563 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: up repeatedly, um, you know. And then and then I 564 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: brought up Darius Rush earlier and from South Carolina. He's 565 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: another guy that that I thought really stood out. Kyu 566 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: Blue Kelly from Stanford had a great week too, you know. 567 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 1: And let me just say this about about your practice 568 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,239 Speaker 1: organization that I liked, you know, as far as just 569 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: a former coach watching practice. I like the fact that 570 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: you've got officials out there because that's one of the 571 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: biggest things, as you well know, and for us to know, 572 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: it's a difference for corners coming into this league as 573 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: far as the area that they can make contact and 574 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: just to just to throw the warning flag saying you 575 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: can't do that now, you can't do that now. And 576 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: you could see guys, you know, as the week went on, 577 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: start to understand where the no touch zone was, which 578 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: is as you well know, huge, being a little less grabby. Yeah, yeah, 579 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: now that's that's a point of emphasis for the league. 580 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: You know, we the referees we had during the week, 581 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: we're from all around college football, and those are the 582 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: guys being looked at because they're the NFL scouting them. 583 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: So the Senior Bowl week is a scouting opportunity for 584 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: college referees. And they were all in town. So we 585 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: ad SEC being all the all the power fives, a 586 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: couple group of five refs and and that was a 587 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: big proving week for them. So it's huge having them down. 588 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: It's a great move by you all right, halftime of 589 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: the OTP or special guests, the executive director of the 590 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: Reese's Senior Bowl, Jim Naggie, and we're talking now about 591 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: the Duncan Rewards program. Download the app to join today 592 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 1: and start saving and stacking your way to the free Duncan. 593 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: You'll love Duncan Rewards, Save him, stack, abuse them however 594 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: you want. America runs on Duncan terms apply well to 595 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: your earlier point. Having officials at those practices, being able 596 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: to see guys going through a practice, working with different coaches. 597 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: That's the benefit of these all star games, right, It's 598 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: such a different way to evaluate other than just shorts 599 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: and T shirts, jumping high and running fast. Right, yeah, no, 600 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: And I think the overlooked part of the practice week 601 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: four a lot of guys that coach Mac and some 602 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: of the gms that they don't have the all the coaches. 603 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: But if you don't have the benefit of going to 604 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: a college practice in the fall, you miss out on 605 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: practice habits. There's a certain things about way guys practice 606 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,239 Speaker 1: with tempo, with focus. I give Mike Tomlin a lot 607 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 1: of credit, like he's there every year. He's in the 608 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 1: middle of those drills because he's keying in on the 609 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 1: little things. He's looking at body language. He's looking at 610 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: when in the offensive line defensive line one on ones, 611 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: when an offensive lineman gets his butt whooped, I mean, 612 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: Mike's looking at their face. He wants to see what 613 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 1: that immediate reaction is in you know, what we do 614 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: is they take two reps back to back. So the 615 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: same guys go two reps in a row. So he 616 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 1: wants to see the bounce back rep. What does that 617 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: offensive lineman look like in the second rep? Is he 618 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: coming back fighting as he hanging his head? So there's 619 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: so many little things that you just don't see on 620 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: even our tape. You watch the practice week tape, you 621 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 1: don't see that little stuff. You've got to be there 622 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: in it. And I think the smart teams roll up 623 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: their sleeves and take advantage of it. You know what. 624 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: Let's dovetail into where we are now. You know, for 625 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: seven years I worked the floor here with linebackers, and 626 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: what you brought up is so so important because watching 627 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: the human interaction, how well do they take advice, how 628 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: well do they take instruction, how well do they improve 629 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: on the instruction they have gotten. And the value of 630 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl to me is you've got days and 631 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 1: days and days of it here. You've got one day 632 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: of it. You've got one day of it position specific. 633 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: But you know that that is that is so important. 634 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: When I first started coaching the Senior Bowl, everybody was 635 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: on the field, remember those years, and everybody, everybody was 636 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: circling every drill and mosh pit. There's a mosh pit. 637 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: And when you were a coaching that, you were going, Wow, 638 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: don Sheila's watching me. I better give them something good 639 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: to you know, good to watch. I think the way 640 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: you've got it now is so good. But still, when 641 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: you can watch those types of things, I mean, that's 642 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: a great insight to that. So it's so important at 643 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: the combine, and I know, you know most of the 644 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 1: teams try to do this. You try to plug in 645 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: guys from your club in different areas, Like you want 646 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: your linebackers coach doing the linebacker drills. You want you 647 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: want as many coaches doing the drills as possible. I 648 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: know when I worked in New England, I was a 649 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: group leader for seven years and you basically usher the 650 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: guys through the week. You just make sure they get 651 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: to where you make sure they're up in the morning, 652 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: you take role, you make sure they're at their interview 653 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: like so you kind of heard them through the week, 654 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: and you know they know when you when you get 655 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: with him the first night, you say, hey, I'm Jim Nage, 656 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: I'm scout for the New England Patriots. I'm gonna be 657 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: your group leader for the week, so they know you 658 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: work for a club. And for the first couple of 659 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: days they're usually on their pas and cues. By day three, 660 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: day four, they let their guard down and you really 661 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: get to see who's who um And they would always 662 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: debrief us. I'd always have to put together kind of 663 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: a one liner on every guy in the group, and 664 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: and you knew which guys you wanted to be Patriots 665 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: and which guys you didn't. Um some of these guys 666 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: really declare themselves during the week. That's why you see 667 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: those those group leader spots are coveted with with these 668 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: NFL teams because you get four full days of behind 669 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: the scenes stuff and watching the guys with each other 670 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: and how they interacted. Who's the loaner, you know, and 671 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: who's the leader, and guys really separate themselves that way too. Yeah, 672 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: we used to ask our guys that did that group 673 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: leader the first question. We would debrief them, you know, 674 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: as coaches, who'd you have to wait on, who'd you 675 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: have to call to wake up you have? I mean 676 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: all of that stuff. I mean, this is really great insight. Yeah, no, 677 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: there's so many great takeaways. All right, So let's wrap 678 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: up with this, turning it back toward the Titans. Okay, 679 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: you mixed up the coaching staffs this year. The NFL 680 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,719 Speaker 1: requested that you do that. One of the guys who 681 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: got a big chance to be an offensive coordinator was 682 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: Charles London, who is now the Titans passing game coordinator 683 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: and quarterback coach. Charles apparently blew everybody away in mobile 684 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: tell us why Titans fans should be excited that he's 685 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: part of Mike Vrabel's new offensive staff man. There's a 686 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: lot of things and I just connected. I had to 687 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: hit him up. I had to get his new Titans 688 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: email the other day because I send an email out 689 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: to all the coaches trying to get some feedback on 690 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: the week, and first got to respond. I'll say that again, 691 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: little stuff, right, but he was the first coach out 692 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: of thirty coaches to hit a response back and give 693 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: me ideas in the week. But very detailed. He had 694 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: a plan. I mean, we're talking about these guys through 695 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: this thing together in about ten days and he was 696 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: responsible for that whole playbook, so very detailed, very professional. 697 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: Watching him with the players, good communicators. So you know, 698 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: the league wanted to do this for a reason. They 699 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: wanted to showcase some of these guys. I mean, Charles 700 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: is to me, he's a guy could see him as 701 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: head coach someday, just the way he handles himself, not 702 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: only with the group of coaches, but with those players. 703 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: And it's amazing. He comes out of Duke and he 704 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: goes to Cleveland and runs Cleveland Stadium. He's a business major, 705 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: that's what he's gonna do. And the Patriots group the 706 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: Crafts are looking at the Browns Stadium as they get 707 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: ready to build Gillette, as they finish that process, and 708 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: they hire him away to run Gillette. And so he's 709 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: in business. He's making good money, but he says, I 710 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: want to coach, and so he gets back into coaching 711 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: at Duke and has worked his way up. Amy, you 712 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: met him last night for the first time, he blew 713 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: you away. He's fantastic, such a great guy to talk to, 714 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: so nice, so interested in what you're saying, incredibly engaging, 715 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: all things that you would think are incredible traits for 716 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: a coach. And I just talked to him for five minutes. Yeah, yeah, 717 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: I didn't know that backstory. That's incredible, isn't that crazy? Yeah? 718 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy who could have done 719 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: other things, could have worked less hours, could have probably 720 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: made even more money, but chose. I mean, he was 721 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: in his twenties when he had those two jobs. And 722 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: yet I mean, this is a special human being. I 723 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: think he is going to be a fixture in this 724 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: Titan staff. I knew him when he was just an 725 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: offensive assistant sharing an office with Arthur Smith. And then 726 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: the next year Jonathan Gannon came in to be an 727 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: offensive assistant. So Mike Munchak hired some pretty good that's 728 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: a magical office, right then I go hang out in 729 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: that office. Those religion I was there, you know, one 730 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: year with Charles Ann with with Arthur and just missed 731 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: because Jonathan Gannon. I've visited with him this morning. He 732 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: was at the Rams before he came to the Titans 733 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: that year. When I left, the Titans went to Rams. 734 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: But all three of those guys, you went, Okay, I mean, 735 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: these are some young dudes that kind of get it. 736 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: You've got to love that. The Reese's Senior Bowl has 737 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: become the launching point now for seemingly everything. Well that's 738 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: why we the draft starts in Mobile. We hope it's 739 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: catching on a little bit. I don't get this. You know, 740 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: it's funny. In the last two years, I know, you 741 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: always have to do a sales job because not every 742 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: agent and person who's in a player's ear thinks it's 743 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: the best thing. Do you find you're having to do 744 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: less of a sales job now? For sure, for sure, 745 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: and I do I always try to make this point. Um, 746 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: the game has been great forever. In the guys before 747 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: Phil Savage, the former Browns GM was was my predecessor. 748 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: He did a fabulous job with the game. Game has 749 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: been great forever. You just look at all the great players. 750 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: We're getting ready to put together a seventy fifth anniversary 751 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: team and uh, it's it's it's a crazy group. Um. 752 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: But I feel like we we've tried to market it. 753 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,719 Speaker 1: We've tried to stay current. I mean, all these kids 754 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: grow have grown up with phones in their hands, and 755 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: so that's why we've had to use the social media. 756 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: It's really worked. Um. I mean that's probably the biggest 757 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: thing we've done differently, because I'll say this, when we 758 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,479 Speaker 1: started doing the social media stuff, I used to get 759 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: a lot of snarky responses like, hey, Naggie, nobody cares 760 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: about your little game. And I'm like, little game. I mean, 761 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: I'm Aaron Donald rattling up. But but but I used 762 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: to but they used to frustrate me. I'm like, what 763 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: are you talking about? Little game? This game has been great. Um. 764 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: We don't get that anymore. I think people understand now 765 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: and again with the games. I mean, yeah, our numbers 766 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: are a little bit better than than they've been. But 767 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: but but it's been a great game for a long time. 768 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: But it really it's it's just bringing the awareness to 769 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: like what a great game it's been. You know, we 770 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: really needed to shed a light on You do a 771 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: great job of social media. Dave does an outstanding charge 772 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: social media. Yeah, he does. We've got a great team. 773 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: We're lucky to have David Miley. We're up here, you 774 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: guys say the song yesterday, So that was that was great. 775 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,720 Speaker 1: They were up here just talking to the different coaches 776 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 1: and gms about the Senior Bowl and all that. And 777 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: I know that they talk to some players at the 778 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: podium getting feedback about their experience with you and Immobile. 779 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: Do you get consistently good feedback that it was a 780 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: good launching point for them to get to hear? Yeah, 781 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: there are best recruiters. I mean, let's face it. I mean, 782 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: they're all gonna go back next year and talk to 783 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,399 Speaker 1: the guys that were there before. And I think that's 784 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 1: where it's gotten easier, is that these guys because so 785 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: this year's class, we're all either fresh or high school 786 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: seniors or a freshman in college when our first crew 787 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: came through. So I mean, if you can break through 788 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: it as at a particular school and have guys come 789 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 1: and help themselves and have a good week, that's what 790 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: you're looking for. These these are the players, are the 791 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: ones that sell the game the most. Reese's Senior Bowl 792 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: Executive Record Jim Nagee, thanks so much for taking time 793 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: with us. I appreciate it. Yeah. Thanks. I love coming 794 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: on for coach Dave McGinnis, Rhet Brian aby Wells, Mike 795 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: Keith says thank you for listening to the O. T. Pete. 796 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,439 Speaker 1: Welcome to the big show where the license go. Everybody 797 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 1: knows it's our house. Fighting thoughts. Tennessee making its three 798 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:27,800 Speaker 1: greatness is meant to be